Weekly Zeitgeist 448 (Best of 9/14/26 - 9/18/26)

0:00This is an I Heart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. Warning, the following song has been rated dangerously catchy and may not be suitable for grownups. One, two, three, four. One, two, three, four. Knock, knock, knock, knock at the door. Knock, knock, knock, knock, knock. There are five, six. Who is it? Five, six. Who is it? It's Kawin and Alian. It's Kawin and Alian. Lingo Kids. Only suitable for kids. If it gets stuck in mom's head, that's not our problem. Mabel Kids. Everything Kids Love. Download Now for Free. Didn't catch the latest Roland Martin Unfiltered Podcast? Here's what you missed. There should not be a single law enforcement agency. And it's not have body cameras. It's real. Black farmers have been under attack. This is just the latest example of them just slapping DEI on anything. It's raw. And I'm sitting here going. They are playing y'all for fools. Catch Roland Martin's Daily Commentary on the Black Information Network. And download Roland Martin Unfiltered on the IHOT Radio App, Apple Podcast.

1:02Wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah. So without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist. What is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? Oh, man. I recently, I have been on a deep dive. I'm going camping soon up in Wyoming, like next month. It's going to be cold. I have been on a deep dive for like, it's going to sound weird, right? Like, down trousers. Not quite MC Hammer stuff, but like we're getting close. Like warm pants. Yeah.

2:02I spend far more of my life thinking about what to put in my backpack than I think anybody realizes. And that's the packable light. Light, maybe quick drying. Yeah. I'm really concerned about like, I don't like buying down products because I think they often come from treating animals like shit. Especially ones that like get over in my price range. So I like to get synthetic down. Why could it just like ripping the feathers off basically? They have to be dead to rip the feathers off. It's not like a sheep wool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How do you get those feathers? Yeah. They grow back. Yeah. That does work with wool. There are like wool puffies. No, they kill the dark or the goose right? And then sometimes they treat it with like DWR, which is a whole other thing. I've been on a deep dive about PFAS recently and the stuff that we used to use to waterproof clothing and how bad that was for the planet. Aren't they saying like, it's like, man, if you've ever worn Gore-Tex, yeah, you're covered.

3:03Like there's like so many of like the old school water-proofing stuff. It's like, trust me, you're not getting away from this shit. Yeah. Especially if you like waterproof shit. There was a study that I was doing a podcast on this. I'm so glad you asked. There was a study that I read where there were two lakes. And one of the lakes had a great deal of outdoor recreation, right? It's in a rainy place. And the other lake did not have a great deal of outdoor recreation. And there was PFAS in the fish in the lake. And they are suggesting that it comes from the waterproof clothing of the people who were going to recreate at the lake. And there's another lake where the people were actually recreating. Yeah, exactly. The recreation lake had the higher PFAS. Like this, the stuff is really bad. And we've known about it for so long. I'm talking like 15 years ago, for your rather than the one with a little fox. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They stopped. They tried to remove PFAS from their line in 2009 because they knew it was bad, right? And they made a lot of progress and they were way ahead of everyone else in doing that. But the entirety of the rest of the outdoor industry was like,

4:05nah, if I get mad with printing money over here with this architect stuff. Wow. While doing all their like, you know, like there's a lot of virtue signaling that goes on in the outdoor industry. And this is one of these things that makes me wonder, maybe capitalism is not compatible with living in the planet the way we like to live on the planet. Right. It's one thing I've, I've, I just overtoued just doing some research on Senator Chris Coons. I don't know why I was reading something about him like a while back. And his stepfather is the guy who comes from the Gore family of Goretex. Oh, wow. And I was like, oh my god. But it's like why the internet and killed everybody who uses it. Yeah, Robert Gore is his stepfather who, and like that company huge in developing like how do we use poly tetrafloroethylene? PTFE stuff. Yeah. And that's like other, I've been to other DWR coatings, but like that's the one this brand name, right?

5:05And, nah, right. Yeah. If you're buying Goretex now, just so people know the EPE membrane is PFAS-free. So the new stuff and gonna be PFAS-fif you're buying stuff cheap right now like outdoor clothing. All these brands are dumping their PFAS stuff because they can't sell it anymore. Oh. So there's a lot of stuff that's going on sale and that stuff's going to be out or running around for a while. And it's also hard to argue that I want everyone to throw away their shit and buy a whole new thing, right? Because that's wasteful too. We just do. So you just really need like a rubber slicker, like a fucking, like a fucking, you're on a boat like that shit. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, cool wax jacket. I have a wax jacket. It's a very British choice. Not breathable in the slightest, but no, you'll see your body hole in that thing. Yeah, like a jacket potato and you take that bad boy off. You're like, oh, my whole, all my skin's wrinkly. You're chewing my skin. I'm just wearing my finger tips. Like I've got some in the bathtub.

6:05Yeah. What's something you think's underrated? Okay. Oh, it's so fun. Yeah. So I would say underrated is buying multiples of something you like. So like, like, Camaro's. Yeah. Like my parents. Of course. I'm going to close it up my stain. I know. I have to fill my garage. I got doubles too. Yeah, of course. I think it's because I like, it's a, I don't mean it present it in like scarcity or like the, the meme where it's like, I love that. I'll have 14 of them. Sure, sure. But I have been regretting. So the, you asked me about these miles of time asked me if these were Gucci. Oh, yeah. Yeah. People ask you. I love that. I love that. That hard wear. Oh, my God. And so it's, I bought, I bought three of them at the time. And this is target 2022. So pre rollbacks. Wow. So even, but here's the hard part. Even if I wanted to, you know, support the, I wish I don't want to rent right now.

7:05I couldn't because they stopped making them. And I knew I was going to like them because I bought one pair. I'd walk through in about three months. So then I went back and bought three more. And I had them. And I'm on the last of that. Your last. And I'm just not, and so I regret not buying multiple, multiple multiples because I'm knowing myself. And I don't think, I don't mean it in the way of like, I don't like to choose. I'm Steve Jobs. I hate, but I love right. But there's something you just love is your. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I had pants like that before fire. Yeah. Oh, man. These are good pants. Pants are a little bit easier. Are you going to journey to find those kind of? No, no, very quickly. I was like, anything is pants. Okay. If you need them to be anything is pants. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Can you roll that back for a second? Uh, sweatshirts, saran wrap. Yeah. T-shirts. Those can all be pants. That is actually true. No, I just more like, sorry, Jackson, you need more. Yeah. So random. No, I think it was just more like the idea that like things felt irreplaceable. Yeah. Was just sort of like, it's like sort of like you're really, it's, I had to kind of like, you

8:06just go through, reevaluate my relationship to certain like objects. But then I realized like, it was about like, when I got them and how I got them that, like, sort of, yeah, that was much more than like the comfort. That's why shoes, I think, that's why it's completely different than shoes when like, you know when a shoe feels good or shoe feels like shit. It's not often like these damn pants have cut up my legs so bad. Right. It's a little bit different. But I actually think it's an interesting thing that you are exploring through the experience because like, I'm wondering where that sort of, um, detachment from materialism and, um, like sensory stuff matched. Do you know what I mean? Like, because I think that is a lesson from losing a lot. But then there's also that like, there is value in being attached to the things. Yeah. And then there's just, you're, at the very end, like more intentional. Yeah. That's nice. That's really what it is. That's nice. Because it's like, because also too, like there was something liberating about fucking losing all your, like having no more shit. Yeah. And speaking of shoes, yeah. Yeah. Like what I've sold. Yeah. Like just all these things. And I'm like, that's kind of like, glad.

9:06Like sometimes you think I'm like, I've accumulated all these shit that I don't do anything with. Yeah. And then it becomes stressful. And then like, why am I, like, why do I have all this shit? And then like, when it all goes away, then you're like, huh. Time to rebuild that way. Or something, or just rethink what that, yeah, relationship is. That's beautiful. That is beautiful. What is Kurt? We'll start with you with something you think's overrated. Overrated. Oh, man. I have, I don't even know what people like anymore. I would say the term touching grass, I think, is overrated or at least overused. I don't like it because it doesn't, to me, function in the way that it should. Like touching grass is the idea of like, get out into nature and like, you know, stop looking at your screen. But grass is just in suburban lawns. Like, I don't like to just go and sit sit in your suburban lawn and touch the lawn. Seems like the absolute opposite of the thing we want people to be doing.

10:10I think we did it. I still can't stop scrolling Instagram. Yeah, that's the way you go. As I touch this grass to scroll Instagram. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's like, right, it's meant to remind people it's like, remind yourself of the real world outside of your outrage screen that your phone has become. Do that. Yeah. Which just feels like just be like, hey guys, the phone sucks. How about that? Ignore the phone. Ignore the phone. It's also like, if it's, if that's the function of it, right, to remember that there's the real world, like grass is the worst example of the real world. Grass is like a single speech. They ripped everything out of the ground and then planted a single species that they can control. Right. Right. Like, it is the exact opposite of the real world. It should be a carpet. Okay. Everybody agrees. Exactly. A symbol and also a grass speaking of things that just guzzle so much water. So much. Yeah. Oh man. I think I've probably a thousand gallons of water has gone into four tomatoes for me this season.

11:13And they're all in three fantastical side. Cuttouch a pine tree that's like at least 300 pieces into the, into the edge of the wood. How about go to an old growth forest? You know, really a real technical, you know, what's like for it. Yeah. Don't film yourself doing it. If you're telling everybody a touch grass and then you're showing videos and clips and photos of yourself touching grass, you're missing the point of the thing. Yeah. You're the most depressing version of what we're talking about. People love to brag about being out nature. Just go experience it. It's totally fine. We don't need to know. Does the grass need to be real? Can it be astroturf? These are the questions that the kids are asking. Scotty, how about you? What's something you think? Or some things you think are over here. Here is my latest. And it's funny. Okay. Right before we hopped on, we talked about the woman who couldn't survive running her ultra cross-fitsuper marathon.

12:15Yeah. So I wrote oysters, award shows, champagne and marathons. Wow. Okay. So I'm happy to focus on any of those. I think I'm with you on, I used to love oysters so much. And now I don't care about them anymore. They were so big. I remember in LA, two, like, 10 years ago, like fucking everywhere. Yeah, we also have oysters on the have to be like, this is a burger place. No. My house is worse now. There are every other corner. There's a store with oyster and happy oyster on the half shell. Right. I like oysters. I think they taste great. I think a fried oyster poe boy in New Orleans is delicious. That's one. I just think we're flying too close to the sun here. I think every menu has oysters. I don't think the people are shocking them and prepping them necessarily north-eastern. I've been going time. I think seafood's like flash frozen everywhere. So I don't even think it's a coastal thing.

13:15I think in the middle of the country, they're serving too many in Chicago. They're serving too many everywhere. They just feel like a status thing that used to just be a working class food, like a source of protein. People make such a big... Now they're expensive. Oysters used to be quarter oysters at Acme Oyster House and now it's like three dollars in some places. Three boxes in some places. Right. So yes, I think oysters are severely overrated, even though I do think they're delicious, but I just don't think I think I'm done with oysters. Yeah. They've become something else now. And champagne, right? Also a famously a drink of the people that let me say that is simple. I just don't know anybody. I have a few friends that order champagne or we'll show up to a party with champagne, but I really don't know anybody that just loves champagne. And I think popping a champagne bottle is great. I think it's the most fun way to open any liquor bottle. Yeah. But it's an event. It's an event. Sabering it's even better, but I just think it sucks. I think champagne tastes fine.

14:17Yeah, I go you mean. Yeah. I think it's weird. I think when every wedding has that same little one-out champagne toast that you clink four times, like I think that should be specific drink for the couple that they like. Sure. Even like, yeah. It just feels like we should always be malored. Malored. You're just sitting there being like these are not champagne people. This isn't egg, not a crowd. Yeah. So, yeah, oysters are just two. They're everywhere and they've become so ubiquitous. They're no longer special or interesting and champagne is overpriced. And I don't know anybody that truly enjoys it. No, I only know people like who like, like my mother-in-law is like a person I think of. But her thing is she loves free champagne. Like if someone's like, there's some places like, yeah, it's free. Like it's the grand opening. I think she's like, oh hell yeah. She's there. I love that. I love that. But it's like smart. I'm like, I get it. Because for you, you're like, I'm like, like, like, fuck paying a bunch of money for champagne.

15:20But if it's free, even if it's like shitty, sure, in that context, I like it. But I do. I do. Interesting. Free champagne is, I think, I think the best champagne. We can all agree that that's the best champagne. That's the only one. It's free. And if it's being given out, you know, if it's being poured well and you're getting more than one glass. And then that's probably the only time you're getting drunk on champagne. If we all was correct. Yeah. I will say it is, it is the exact opposite of a eggnog is a thing that you can drink. You mentioned eggnog. You drink, you burp a little eggnog. Still tastes delicious. Champagne. The worst tasting thing. Like it tastes, however, going down may be fine. Yeah. Depending on your mood or your preference, but oh my god. It always reminds me of like the liquid that kids used to blow bubbles. Like that soapy liquid for whatever reason in my mind. I associate that with champagne. Really? Yeah. Also, speaking of eggnog, it does feel like eggnog is slotted in the wrong holiday.

16:23It feels like eggnog should be slotted into Halloween. Yes. It feels like a Halloween drink where it doesn't feel like a Christmas drink. Does anybody agree with it? Like Christmas drinks seem like minty maybe. An eggnog is just milky and sweet like candy. Right. Like it should be pushed into the fall instead of the freezing winter. It's hard for me to weigh in on this because I do get year round. I'm like, yeah, I can see it off here. That's cool. Oh, yeah. Summer nods. Or the July? Yeah. Like, in my classic Fourth of July nod. Love it. You know, also fake eggnog like silk and the ones that are made out of so- Oh, and some taste great. Yeah. It's one of the best, not real things. It is hard to do. It is very difficult to fuck up. Yes. I don't think I've had eggnog where I was like, this is bad. Oh, yeah. My grandpa, when you make it in the holidays, he would just put in as an ice cube a tub of vanilla ice cream. Yeah. In the bowl. So then that slowly integrated over the party into it.

17:25And that was whiskey. Yeah. Oh, a little maker's in there for kids. That's a champagne killer right there. Yeah. Guys, just dump a fiddle with the champagne killer. Dump a fifth of whiskey on top of a carton of vanilla ice cream. There's the champagne killer. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll talk a little dolly part. We'll be right back. You know those pieces in your closet that you find yourself wearing on repeat? I used to have three shirts that I love and I'd wear them until I looked like I'd just been rescued from a desert island. I don't have to do that anymore because I found quince and those pieces that make getting dressed easy. That's what quince does best. Quince focuses on high quality wardrobe staples made with premium materials like 100% Mongolian cashmere, organic cotton and marino wool. The styles are timeless, versatile and designed to become the dependable pieces you reach

18:28for day after day. Since I discovered quince, their polos, t-shirts, linen shorts, their clothes are taken over my closet and their hotel quality bedding has taken over my bed. They make well-designed things for everyday living. Find your next fall favorites at quince. Download the quince app for app exclusive offers or go to quince.com slash TDZ. Get free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. Now available in Canada and the UK too, that's QU-I-N-C-E dot com slash TDZ. Warning, the following song has been rated dangerously catchy and may not be suitable for grownups.

19:29Kids love. Download now for free. Didn't catch the latest Roland Martin unfiltered podcast? Here's what you missed. And the argument is, do you want to win? If you don't win, you have no power. It's real. Those are the very people who I always say vote against their own economic interests and they complained about the very thing they were seeing. It's raw. I knew that the issue of transgender athletes was not going well with a lot of black men. Roland Martin unfiltered. I went off. I said this is exactly what I'm talking about. Y'all go scream at Chanel, but you don't want to see a black luxury company in the same back. Catch Roland Martin's daily commentary on the black information network. 12 seats. Those are moving south. So if you Democrats, you don't wait to 23, you better be hitting the ground going hard in the south now. And download Roland Martin unfiltered on the iHot Radio app Apple Podcast.

20:30Where ever you get your podcasts. And we're back. Mary, do you remember when Paulie made that, fit that hobbit video up and then like claimed the, never dropped it in the chat. No one playing it. Never dropped it in the chat. Yeah, it's really sad. Why does this feel like hanging out with my older male cousins? You believe me? I believe back. Mary, in case you're wondering about about our dynamic, Mary, I do have to retell this story. I got out of recording of this very podcast at our studios in Los Angeles and waiting in the waiting room was Paul of Egan Allen, who was about to record an episode of Molly's World Creative Show. And we had a great conversation, maybe five, ten minutes. And then I think you were standing up to go record and I was standing up.

21:32To the rest of you, I walked past you. You walked directly past me, shoulder to shoulder. And then you're like, God, I just have the urge to make you flinch, like raise my fist and make you flinch. I'm fly. And I don't know why I said it, but I think it was brave. And it really captures the energy that I bring in person. I am the urge to mull you. I think that's beautiful. Yeah, it was really nice. Cars on the table, you know, cards on the table. I want to give you a swerly right now. Great way to open a meeting. Lauren, cards on the table. I really want to give you a swerly right now. That's how you wigs. Damn it. Do I want to give you a swerly, my man? I'm going to call like Jack or Miles is going to come to the studio and just see Jack hanging from a pole with wedgie. And he's going to be like, Paul, he was here with a chick.

22:35Paul, yeah, I got Paul, you pull these in miles. You just hang me from a flagpole by my underwear. Yeah. And my underwear does stretch up and down like it's a bungee cord like in 90s movies where somebody would get home up there. Anyway, what a card. Beating our asses. What's our any gamers in the truck? You guys have a little bit of a gamer. Bit of a gamer. I play my games. Yeah. I play like baby games. Like I play star do. I like it. My mind was fucking blown by the big man was. Yeah. But yeah, he never would have guessed who the big man was. And the incredible reveal completely disappeared. So star do stuff like that. So you're not dealing with Sony PlayStation because in the past mostly like shooting people in the head, right? Wait, is that not what star do it?

23:36Star do values. I thought. No. Oh. I think PlayStation and Xbox is all shooting people. I think that's definitely way more. Yeah. Way more coming on like the Xbox and PlayStation, the shooters. They're like, I don't understand this Mario Brothers game. Why didn't he shoot the mushroom people in the head? They've got big heads that are completely unprotected. There are a giant bullet in that game though. America. America. What if it was different just for the US? They did have guns and all. And Australia. They got in the past few weeks. Sony has made a handful of announcements that range from kind of your typical greed you can expect from a large media company these days to some of the people are describing as possibly illegal. So we're going to just run through a couple of them. One thing they're doing is dynamic pricing, which what a fun word for such a fucked up

24:39practice. So this is something that we let airlines get away. Like the fact that people are pointing this out about other industries has made me be like, wait, why do we let airlines do this also? Where it's just like they change the place based on who you are and where you are and what they, this is the real diabolical thing, what they know about you, which is it turns out a lot. The dynamic pricing, don't think are they starting to try to roll that out at like grocery stores? I thought I saw it with the electronic pricing. They are. Exactly. I think it's going to be harder in person where they're like, okay, here, you can shop at this croaker's Ralph's, but you have to wear this electronic necklace. I'm like faking out that I want to sell it, but really I want to hear it. Right. I'm like dipping and dodging. Yeah. I'm like, this eye tracking device that goes around your neck, but they did recently

25:41make an announcement. I think Maryland is issuing some legislation proposed to protect people from dynamic pricing when it comes to groceries, but that's the sort of like piecemeal bullshit that we have protecting us, you know, where it's like this state can try to protect this very specific industry from doing dynamic pricing, where it's just like, what if we just said you can't do this, but anyways, with regards to gaming, Sony announced back in March that they were beginning a pilot program where they would implement a dynamic pricing model that would give different discounts to different customers based on their buying patterns. And they so there's, yeah, like I was saying, there are like some consumer protections that are popping up about against this, the Consumer Protection Commission of Ireland has taken legal action against ticket master for doing this. This got a lot of attention when Oasis tickets went on sale in the summer of 2024.

26:42And they were like, whoa, a lot of people want this and the price is all the sudden went up. But here what they're doing, like I said, that's very specifically fucked up is that if you are a loyal customer, it's like a reverse loyalty program where if you're like logged in and a loyal customer, you get, you get charged like $19.24 for a thing that would otherwise cost $11. And fuck yeah. And same thing like that. Yeah, there's like a bunch of different games that they're doing this on. So if you, you have to like hide who you have to hide that you've ever bought this before or otherwise there, Paul, you'll appreciate this. I'm an expert. You if they just start like pushing you in the chest and they're like, you know, you want to get me your lunch money. I start talking to you little piggy. He says, like $15 because I don't have any gaming activity or any loyalty.

27:45So I'm going to get a little a few dollars off the top. Yeah, making it cheaper for people. Right. Yeah. And then all right. So another thing they're doing is they told players that they don't own digital games. So when you buy, so when you buy a game, oh, you thought we meant like buy. There's a reason we're starting to put purchase and buy in square quotes. And I wonder where it should. Yeah. Wow. There's a reason that as we read the terms of use, we're making a jack-off hand motion the whole time. But yeah, basically if you purchase a game from the online store, you aren't actually buying the game. That's more like a subscription. You've subscribed to our game. And if Sony decides to remove the licensing for any reason, you've lost access to your purchase, which seems shitty, seems bad. I know this has happened to me in like, you know, prime video where I like, you know,

28:48whatever is the cheapest way to buy, sing to or whatever, you know, movie that my kids are trying to watch. And then, you know, it's no longer there like a year later. It was something you can own. It's only something you can experience. Sing to just exists in our heart and the air around us. That's what they're going to start telling us. They're going to be like, it's more of a feeling than an actual movie. Like coyote versus acne. Did you guys see that, by the way? Oh, it's so good. It's so good. And it's so shout out to my friend, Marda Kelly. I'm named. Oh my god. So good. So many great lines and that. It is so funny. Like watching it and it's all about like evil corporations trying to like fuck people over and like to have that specific movie be suppressed and like with no and attempted like attempted to be killed by an evil corporation is so fine. It's like how, how like that's so on the nose guys to just be like, nobody's going to

29:52want to see this. We get a get this out of here is is wild. It was also really great to see all of the cast be like, yeah, this was fucked. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like openly. Yeah. It was so funny. I got a very emotional at the end. I know. What about you guys? That was so sweet. Yeah. It's like Joker and Batman. They need each other. Yeah. Yeah. And I also approve of toxic relationships. Stay in them. Care. And then like four days like big speech of like, you know, I almost gave up. I didn't think I could win. And I was like, that's what we have to do. So true. I know. Anyways, we got them because we were able to watch the movie that they are getting money from us for. So in your face, Zazlove. I heard that when he was talking about, uh, fucking everyone over, he was like, just

30:52as long as nobody's making eye contact with each other, he was no that reference. No. What the hell is that? So there's a story where David Zazlove becomes like the head of all media, you know, a CEO after like, basically his innovation at his last media job was like, what if we did it for cheaper and people like, bravo, sir, amazing. We just like made this company's stuff a little bit shittier and nobody really noticed. And so he's taking over and he's watching Fleabag with a bunch of other like billionaires on a yacht. And they started out and she's masturbating to Obama. I think it's Fleabag season two, maybe, or maybe that's his one, I forget. And he hits pauses immediately and is like, all right, guess. Here's the thing. Here's, here's how we get moved forward with this because people love to assholes like this love to have like a game plan. He's like, either we stop watching this, turn it off and pretend we didn't see that or we power through and we all agree not to look at each other during the watching of

31:55this episode of Fleabag and people like, okay. And so they decided to like watch it, but not look at each other, which just seems so weird. It's so weird. It does seem like he was like, I need to check off to the something I don't want you guys to know. Yeah, that's what I thought you were saying. Yeah. Like they're all jerking up, but they were just what he meant. But like I don't know. I still don't know. Like this is a story that has been reported far and wide in like mainstream media outlets and I still don't know what they think it means. Yeah. Because it seems so obvious that he was. If I was in the room, I'd be like, why say you can jack off. Yeah, I'd be like, oh, I'm good and like leave the room. I feel like you guys can have fun. What if they're all always jacking off and he just specifically wanted them not to for that one. This time we like to look at each other because we hate black people and we don't want to think of them.

32:56Special creature. It's just a matter of classic billionaires watching Fleabag on a yacht. Hey, my kid says this is great. Let's check it out. All right, June of this year, US District Court for the Northern District of California, San Francisco Division filed a class action lawsuit against Sony claiming that they were misleading their customers with the language when you purchase a game in response to the lawsuit. Sony claimed that no reasonable person could assume ownership of a game that they buy digitally using this year's resident evil, Requiem as an example. I just want to read their logic here. They say, if this person were obtaining ownership of a digital game, where that the case, then plan if Edward Hicock would not have been able to obtain the game resident evil, Requiem on February 25, 2026 for $69.99 from a PlayStation store until plaintiff Jason

33:57Mandoza had obtained resident evil, Requiem on February 14 because Mr. Mendoza not Sony would have owned it then. So their argument is like, how could you own it? This other guy owns it like that. What? What the fuck? This feels like we're trying to reverse an FTS. Yeah, it's like so. It's, it feels crazy. Yeah, well, you should feel crazy. I know. But like, you're buying a file, correct? You download a file. Are they arguing that it's like something about like the console? Like, yeah, I think they're just like playing really good. But it's also like, I bought the console. Right. Yeah, I'm trying to figure out like what's the plausible argument they could be making. And like, are they suggesting we should all be getting hard drives to download everything? Or like, we can't trust the Amazon app or our video game console to have the files

35:03that we bought and downloaded. Essentially, I think that's what they're pivoting. I mean, that's like everything is pivoted too. Fair enough. Like renting storage, like, like they can change the prices on anything at any time. And we're just like, okay, I guess we have to because monopolies and shit. Like, we actually recently changed the price on a thing you bought last year. And so you actually were going to withdraw money from your account. Yeah. That would be like, like buying a DVDs and VHSs and then like the studio exec comes to your house and it's like, give me those. With a gun. Those are mine. Victor's saying I think they're arguing you don't own the IP, which I also is like the copyright or the trademark or the IP or whatever. But that's like not what people are claiming. It's like saying, like when we go by a t-shirt, we're not saying we own Nike. Like, fuck. Right. Yeah.

36:03I have tried making that claim and people are not impressed. Yeah. Just F1. You got kicked out of that employee store several times. Yeah. It's just a willfully obtuse argument that is very frustrating. But apparently like Sony isn't the only one who has language like this. Microsoft Valve Nintendo apparently has the most aggressive language like this. But they're like, you don't own shit. You can take this away anytime you want and they're just like such a weird closed box world that like it doesn't, doesn't matter. Nobody can do shit because their games are fun. Are you guys physical media heads? So we're about to get to it. But I have not yet become a physical media head because who has the time, but I'm starting to feel like I need to make the time because I've got a, a bustling thriving social life. No, I'm just telling you. You have to stop telling your kids that Jack. I'm eating the bros for some brews.

37:04That's truly what it is. It's so great. Yeah, you're telling me. I'm acting like I have a busy social life when I just have kids that have to drive things and think of the other. I'm very broke, but I am very obsessed with physical media and part of my podcast is like reminiscing about the nostalgia of that and like the CDs and the vinyls and everything. And right now I'm focusing on books because I think I was holding back a lot because I was shamed for buying and collecting books as a trial. And so now I'm just going full on into that. And my, I like over this summer, I've like filled my apartment and I fucking love it. It's the best. Yeah. So this is the other thing. They also recently announced they're going to stop production of physical discs for new games in January, 2028. So that's which like it, yeah, it coincides with this trend that is happening where like even video stores are making a comeback. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of places in LA that are like popping off right now.

38:08Yeah. There's been just a ton of stories about new video stores opening up in cities like Chicago, Minneapolis, El Paso, Philadelphia, New York, Sacramento. Like I was aware of the LA and New York ones, but I didn't realize this was like a nationwide huge trend where you can see it online a lot too. Like a bunch of local stores are like all over the country or are making a huge comeback. Renting out DVDs, Blu-rays and even VHS tapes, which are they also renting out the VCR? Maybe. I would not know where to get a, I guess you could probably find a VCR that wouldn't be that hard, right? Yeah. Take it from Maclemore. Go to the thrift shop. I think our Lord and Maclemore. It is funny to like see young people describe this as like a novel experience. They're like, if you look around, it's so much more impactful to look at the DVD spines, pull something out, look at the cover art. The art may catch your eye and you may have found your new favorite movie.

39:10I mean, they're right. It's fun. It's so funny. It's a good thing. It's a good thing. It's a good thing to do. And it just like went away. And I was like, that's good. That's more efficient. And now it's just a process of like scrolling through a broken user experience on one of the streamers and finding out that like nobody has any of the movies that they used to have. Exactly. Yeah. I know two VHS is for Titanic. We miss that. I remember those days. Extended interviews on Lord of the Rings. Got father to Titanic, Scarface. These are like the ones that the big fat to tape. Yeah. Rentals that I remember. I still remember like DVD or VHS covers of movies that like I never watched. Like I still haven't seen Kiss of the Spider Woman. They're like 80s movie, but it like has the.

40:12You remember the cover? Yeah, the cover has like this giant spider web and like a kind of naked-ish looking woman backlit. So it's like you only see the silhouette. And I was like, what is that? I also think that kind of goes hand in hand with like AI and what they're forcing on us with that because like I love cover art for books that we grew up with. I think like a lot of them have kind of followed these like weird flat cartoonish trends or like everybody's, you know, it's just I feel like with mass production of things, the artistry gets lost. And so I think now people are kind of going back to that hey day of art in like the 90s and 2000s before tech like ruined everything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's like the guy who drew like the back to the future cover. I think it's Drew's true Zan was like this. That's the name you made up.

41:13That's the name that I just looked out on Wikipedia. But I remember that like yeah, there are these like kind of a tours behind the cover art. Yeah. Like who like this guy like drew so many of the great covers of these VHS. And like that's the sort of shit that I think people really respect more and more and just to show how kind of popular and into the idea of video stores people are getting. There are really popular like two new video games in which players simply work shifts at a rate at a video store. One of the games retro rewind sold 100,000 copies in less than a week when it came out. And then there's another one rewind 99 that like they both sound like they suck because like you're just doing like kind of hourly wage drudgery. I was like when I first heard about it, I was like, oh, this is cool.

42:13Like you're matching your film knowledge to so like somebody comes up and is like, I want this kind of like horror movie with this sort of vibe. And then you have to like come up with the right answer. I was like, that would be super fun. It's like all fictional movies like you're not they couldn't they didn't license the names of movies. So you're not even able to have that much. So it's really just the act of like being in an old video store and doing fucking tasks. But I think a lot of like Gen Z like there's like so much like shit on social media that's like existentially terrifying that slowing down. I was also saying this about like cartoons. We used to watch as a kid like how little bear is really calming and soothing and slow and like they don't have that. So I feel like they're searching for something like monotonous and soothing like that because we were surrounded by it. And also we would like we didn't just didn't have access to online all that much, you know, like we had to go to the computer room. But yeah, so I think that's what I think you're trying to escape back then.

43:18Yeah. Right. Well, that's why I like start it because it's just like, oh, I found a berry which I know is my friend's favorite food. Let me go give it to him. Yeah. And then you use that gift as a way to like set up a sniper position, right? To see if somebody's going to respawn in that. No, they'll just say, oh, thank you, Mame. Oh, that sounds delightful. Yeah, it's nice. But yeah, Gen Z is apparently the ones driving this trend. The Hollywood Reporter recently observed that since 2022, streaming prices have risen more than three times as much as inflation. And yeah, also to your point, polity independent bookstores in the US have grown 70% since 2020. So like that's a type of media. I wonder like, I'm definitely- It was also pointing out libraries too.

44:18Yeah, yeah. Libraries, like I'm definitely using libraries more than I ever have. I feel like that's got also be a trend that's happening. Yeah, makes me happy because I feel like it's, I was worried that like this whole like literacy crisis would just go on unhinged in one direction, but it feels like people are really fighting back and trying to like educate themselves. And even like streamers, I remember like Tyson Atte was learning how to like, you know, he wasn't a big reader. Yeah, he was learning how to read on stream and he was like, sounding out words or looking out words that he was unfamiliar with and making it more accessible and less shameful to his. Yeah, it's really fucking cool. And that's something like, I remember as a kid, like I would read and I would have a dictionary right next to me because I wouldn't know all the words. But like, now I think people, like there's a thing of like, oh, I'll just figure it out later, you know, or like, oh, I'll learn it's, I have access to it all the time. But I think there is a rebellion against that and it makes me happy that they're still that

45:18thirst for knowledge. Thirst. Thirst for that thick knowledge, you know what I'm saying? Oh my god. There's also like technology has so much like junk or like sloth as people call it because like, they're all like ran by morons who are like using AI to do everything. How do we scale that? Oh, you made a good movie? How are we going to scale that for season two of the movie? Yeah, we're going to season two that we're going to 4X it. We're going to 10X the number of episodes for half the money. Like, even when you log on to like Netflix or Max or whatever, like, there's so much crap there that like, it is more appealing to like, go to the library or a video store and be like, I just want to see something good from this genre. And like, I don't want to have to look through like junk mail. There's also like the association with tech. Like, I'm on like book talk and I didn't realize that a lot of those people like

46:22self published. So I went and bought a book and it was the worst written book I've ever read. Like, I had to like cross my eyes to understand the plot because like, the grammar and the sentence structure like was terrible. And I didn't know you have to like, look out for these like, these people that just publish because they have money and they want to like publish a book and it's fucking awful. So like, you have you do have to dig a little bit and like kind of go to the not necessarily the classics, but like ones that you know are well reviewed and like well written and stuff. Because there can be like the intersection of that can be trashed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, watch out for all the published author. Yeah. Mary. Yeah. Yeah. And her hundredth book this month. Exactly. Yeah. She is prolific. Yeah. And also they kind of video. Physical media represents a way to retain some degree of control over the media we consume rather than just giving all the power to a few multinational corporations who are consolidating

47:27control over everything. Like sometimes they will censor Disney, CG'd hair over Darrell Hannah's butt and splash. Not like like they CG'd it to make her hair look longer so that it covered her butt. Not like gave her a hairy butt. But well, then I'm not interested. Well, then I'm out. Then I'm out. And for that reason, I'm out sharks. And then Netflix also has been known to delete content to a piece governments in various markets. Yeah. Free Dax they took out the Saudi Arabia episode that has on my Russia. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. And Paramount Plus Germany of course took away Nathan Fielder's Nathan for you episode about anti-semitism. Right. Yeah. No, I can't talk about it. It's felt antisemitic to talk about why people shouldn't be anti-smanship. I feel like in some ways. Yeah. In some ways, this is all probably going to become more and more important because Amazon

48:30just announced that they're launching a new AI powered feature that matches actors, mouth movements to dub to audio tracks so that they can like they're starting it out doing a English dub of the German show Maxton Hall. But there are plans to expand that. Well, now I'm not watching Maxton Hall. Maxton. Maxton. Maxton. I feel like part of the appeal of dubbed shows is like the lip sync being wrong. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Also dubbed just fucking read the subtitles. Right. And you can hear the actual. I had an experience with that show dark. I think it's called that's like the it is a German sci-fi series. And I watched like three episodes with the dub on and I was like, this show fucking sucks. Like why does everybody like it? And then I switched over to subtitles and I was like, oh, it's actually really good and well acted. It's just that the English subtitles are like done by people who aren't as like aren't

49:33very skilled actors the way that like the people. That's what I was going to say. Everything's getting replaced or automated or cheapened. Even like Matthew Lillard had this really great clip where he was talking about like and there's like a documentary about Robin Williams and his influence on like not intending to but inadvertently switching from like genuine voice actors switching the industry from genuine voice actors to celebrity appeal. And how that's like there's like a really great YouTube documentary on it when he did Jeannie and that year he did a few different ones. But it's it's just like voice acting because it's just like in famous people and you're not going to an animated movie to see the face of a famous person. So like what is the point, you know what I mean? I know. Like why should like a cartoon animal be Amy Adams in her regular speaking voice? What is that? We actually didn't tell Amy that she was in this.

50:35We just and also it's like who's that for the kids aren't like oh my god. Wait a second. Is that Amy Adams dad? Right. We have to we simply must go see Amy Adams in the news. Sing three. Sing three. Absolutely. Sing the third. Sing the third. Let's let's take a quick break and we'll talk about a weirdly horny pumpkin. We'll be right back. Stop referencing me like that. And we're back. We're back. Yeah. Well, that face says it all. Where do we start here? I don't know. What? So cashmotel was trending along with the word bestieality. Bestie. Best best best. Best Italy. Best Italy. Best Italy. Yeah. Best Italian. Yeah. So no, it's best. Bestie. That's a spell.

51:35By the way, I tried to spell it. Beastie. I spelled it. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's tough. Good. Yeah. Yeah. I was affected like I was so far. They're like, what the fuck are you even talking about? Can't even begin to guess what you mean by. I also think it's a ton of shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We actually never heard of that. We heard it. Yeah. What's that word? But yeah, when I saw those two words, Trump, two concepts, cashmotel and B.C.I. Are you trending? I figured Trump inherently posted like in FESTI video from his drafts on truth social or like, but no, it's because of some of the new regulations that the FBI has rolled out. And he was had a hearing in front of the Senate to discuss all kinds of things. Like, again, like I always say, why are you so bad at what you do? Right. And are you an Epstein Sim? And what's with these new regulations that you've relaxed for applicants to the FBI? So at the end of August, CBS News reported that they were relaxing some of these rules in order to help broaden the pool of applicants, which makes sense.

52:36Not like I'm saying you should, but it understand that you probably need to do that because cashmotel is scared off so many career agents, firing people that he's the specs of like telling his like whiskey bottle secrets to and just overall making it a place like you just don't want to work. I just like to imagine him and Jack are over engaging it, but in any way. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Javier, who would you be like, okay, the secret in your blood. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So again, there's definitely a drain of personnel happening there. So previously, the following things were automatically disqualifying for an applicant, like, you know, like engaging with like hiring any kind of sex workers, which I'm like, okay, I think we can get past that. Shabu. But then other things are like, if you stolen from an employer, they're like, no, dude, we don't want you at the FBI if you stole from an employer. And also that's what I'm at my most like CIA FBI. Because I'm like, I've got a fucking lower up my shirt sleeve. I've just taken so much fucking copy printed like toner eraser, pencil,

53:36toppers going at your leg. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just got a whole thing of printer. It's like, yeah, it's like a mission impossible. I'm like, tell me when the manager's in the hallway. Do like he's on a cigarette break toast toast toast. That was being called getting like rolls of toilet paper from the library. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you're like, go, go, go, go. That's not an employer. That's an oppressor. Anyway. So like that kind of stuff, which makes sense. But now they've changed the rules. So it's fine to have hired sex workers. They're like, they're things like as long as only three times. And it was 10 years ago. Yeah. Okay. There's a three three times. Yeah. And again, so stupid. This is like, this is their thing. I got like a patrol of an abusive relationship. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. Every time they have like a little file with like, okay, okay. Yeah. You're running out. You're running out of those shoes you love. Oh, no. And then you're last pair. Go run them through. Then, you know, again, the next one, okay, they're like, okay, fine. You stole from your employer as long as that was three years ago. Oh, sure.

54:37They're now they're like, you probably changed a lot. That's true. You stole from your employer, whatever that is. But then here's the one about bestiality and animal abuse. Cool. This is from the seat. It's like, those are the three and then the fourth one is this. Like, that's crazy. The one was they relaxed things on sex workers. Okay. And like, if you've done sex work, they're also thinking like, because people have like in polygraph tests, popped or whatever, even the polygraphs are polygraphs. Polygraph. Polygraphs. Polygraphs. They only done for a polygraph. Polygraphs. But like, but then they're like, but it could be if someone is in like, maybe you're an Amsterdam or something and it's like that they didn't want to feel like we can't we can't. Come on, guys. This guy's good at shooting people. We got to hire him. Literally shocked that they ever had a problem with using sex workers. Yeah. Yeah. That feels like a real FBI coded thing to do. Right. So then, but the BCL, you think has always been they're like, no, but no. Wait. But this is so, quote, this one CBS news. The new standards also specifically address applicants who have engaged in past acts of BCL, your animal cruelty.

55:38Or animal cruelty? Yes. Yes. Like precursor for like murder or behavior. Like it was best, the specificity of BCL, it was wild. Also. And, but saying they may still be considered for the Bureau as long as the incidents took place before the age of 18. And, and I was ripping up birds and I was like, I was microwaving the dog when I was too. Come on. But again, so they're like, we don't, we want to just make it so there's, we don't want to make it on like just more complicated people would join the Bureau. So where do we have that data that they did that pre-18? I think because it could be an apolygraph. And they're like, whoa, whoa. It's going out of here. And I just mentioned animal with some stuff. It was legal. I was underrated. But again, so like, the, the source from the FBI told CBS that this is totally unnecessary because these policies about BCL and animal abuse do not distinguish between someone that was coerced into this and someone who was willingly doing it.

56:38Like so they're like, that's a huge thing because cash Patel, as we will hear said, this was because we also wanted to again, be if someone was forced into kind of sex work or doing something like this, we don't want that. They're passed to keep them from being in the FBI. But again, he does keep referring to the people that they're letting off the hook are victims of BSTLD, which suggests that like I was like, is he talking about like a canine unit? This like, so, right, this, let me just play this clip for you from the hearing where Republican Senator Kennedy from Louisiana, who's not usually a hard questions asker. He clearly, he was just like, he, he, like most people were just like, he's like, why do this? Like, his old thing is like, what is that? What is how you should react? What do you, like, why is this even a thing? Right. Yeah. And most people, I think, are thinking the same thing. So here, because it's such a classic joke structure. Like, um, don't be late.

57:40Make sure you're choosing here. Right. Make sure you pet the lucky Alaw Dog at the door that'll kill you if you don't and keep going. Hey, one was too specific. What was that one? Oh, yeah. That's right. So here's Senator John Kennedy asking, Cas Patel, because he's also saying like, dude, you got a lot of heat as the director of the FBI. Like, what, like, this is just causing more questions, dude. Like, and, and going to create more uncertainty or doubt over who the people are you higher? So here is Cas Patel trying to explain what exactly is going on here. Oh gosh. Why would you even get in to be stiallity? Oh, I mean, that's a tough pull quote. We are not in to be stiallity, but a lot of these individuals, I know you're not, but you change, you change, but I'm trying to explain it. Hang on. You change the qualifications and mention be stiallity. It's a, if Joe, if Joe participated in be stiallity, not as the animal, but as the human. Oh, very good distinction. You know, to be qualified, disqualified. If he voluntarily did it, sure, but if he was trafficked into it, how do you involuntarily

58:43do it? And a lot of these cases when he traffickers, how many? Some of the worst individuals on planet earth, they don't just traffic you for prostitution, they traffic you for degrading acts of all kind, and they force you into that type of conduct. And some of these individuals would go on to be law enforcement officers. Kennedy's bearing my hand in this. And later applied to the FBI. I mean, this, this didn't, this, these changes didn't start with you, didn't it? Somebody came to you and recommended. Yeah. But, and who is that? How to give them an out, but he's like, like, when that guy, when, when he was recommended, why aren't you like, what the fuck is this? Again, the argument, it's like, well, you know, there's just people that was coming up. So that actually makes sense to me. If that's like a, like that, honestly, sounds like a satanic panic, like thing that, like somebody would go on Oprah and be like, this is actually a massive problem we're seeing in the country. But like they went on to be like, you actually don't need to make that to say we already make that distinction. Like if somebody was coerced into it, it's abuse.

59:45Yeah. If someone was abused, obviously, yeah, they already have those prologues. They're not be on bestiality for any sort of, for anything first, that's work, whatever, and then the change was like only a lot of ways. It was so that the language of the regulations are, it's, if you disembise the reality, whatever, right? Basic. It's broadening it beyond what he just said. Right. To me, this, or I don't know who am I to judge. This implies because no one was out here being like, I could have stopped 9-11. If I didn't accidentally kill a bunch of animals when I was a kid or something, I don't think that's, to me, it implies that there have been some dudes that have had sex with animals that weren't going to get their badge and gun unless they relaxed the rules. To me, it is a precursor and attempting precedent, even though it's not law, right? It's like stipulations within the law. Tempting precedent when the threat of more Epstein information comes out. Interesting. Obviously, there's a lot of violence, harm, beachality in the Epstein files.

1:00:45So the more that this stuff comes out, the more this losers, when I'm like, I can't make laws. I can't do this. What if it feels like how much can I soften and provide loopholes for individuals and protect those who have perpetrated harm and find ways to, again, blur the ideas of violence and someone who's experienced violence or then was a weapon of violence and galing. Like, right? Because then we could say she is a person that was abused into abuse trafficking. Right. Right. It's all these softening I see that we're trying to make sense of in a specific moment when I feel like it's a mess of the context. Right. Right. It's hard because even as they try that their reaction even from the right is like, what the fuck are you talking about? This is the sort of thing we accuse liberals of. Yeah. What are you doing? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So not a great hearing. I mean, again, the entire hearing was just like, you haven't done anything. I'm sorry. I was also like, so Joe is the human here.

1:01:46Yeah. Not all. Because he was also confused. He's like, what do you mean? Right. What part of this? Yeah. And again, I think to your point, I probably went for the most salacious route with my very one-dimensional brain there with why I think this is happening. That's true. That could be true too. That could be true too. I'm working on this one. I mentioned. Yeah. I'm full of ice. All right. Let's talk about the big franchise that we've all been waiting for. Blue every college freshman's mind. Yeah. We were all waiting for them to reboot this bad boy. I said, boondocks. Yeah. There was a fire. I haven't seen it. I haven't either. You definitely know. I know. I called it white belly. Yeah. It is white belly. It is a movie that people were like, dude, you gotta check this shit out. I know. I was high and even then I was like, sucks. It's like a gangster flick, right?

1:02:46It's like a, it's somebody who like digested pulp fiction, but like, out into just a digestion and like, kind of, yeah, yeah. It's like dumb, dumb Tarantino. Oh, real dumb. Real dumb. If we watch it as that, then I'm sure I love it. Yeah. Anyways, no, we're talking of course about the Stanford prison experiment. Yeah. I'm not laughing. That's a dream. Just laughing. I'm like, ha. What? What? In the span of 30 years, Netflix has gone from the friendly people, mailing UDVDs to resaging ethically fraught psychological studies for our engagement or our enjoyment or our engagement, I guess. They will soon be releasing a reality show based on the Stanford prison experiment named the new Stanford prison experiment. Uh, huh. Bucalyptus. They've done it again. I do have to ask. Like, Stanford's definitely like at the forefront of like being once a honored learning institution now like on the borders of like evil, like are they just like, like, just school for a Silicon

1:03:50Valley death squall. Yeah. Right. Are they like, yeah, okay, you pay us enough. You can use our name and this. Sure. Like, just disconnected from their own. Well, I wonder legally if the experiment itself has now become such its own thing you could like, you can just call it the Stanford prison experiment. You know, right. But I guess wouldn't they not want to be it be like, oh, yeah, that terribly fucked up unethical thing. Right. Yeah. You could brand it. Completely academically debunked. No. Come on. The way they're pushing it. 30 willing participants enter a willing prison willing. We'll have to say willing very load bearing willing. Yeah. They don't usually do that on reality shows. 30 willing for two minutes of being on what happens when six real willing participants enter a house and start being willing. We're real. We're willing. We're real. And her real prisoner randomly assigned as guards or prisoners thrust into a system of power hierarchy and control they'll discover whether ordinary people inevitably conform to the

1:04:53roles they're given or whether empathy morality and individuality can withstand the forces pushing them in the opposite direction. I mean, the fact that they're pushing this hard like if it was just like, damn, actually people are kind of kind. People are nice to each other. Right. I don't think they'd be pushing it that hard. Of course not. No, everyone who's on this shows about to be, I feel so bad for them. Like you're about to be fodder for the online screen. I'm wondering how much. I'm wondering how much. Yeah, but how much leeway do they give them? It's like, where's the line when they're making a show I'm producing? It's like, you're allowed to hit. You're allowed to wait. You're like, what is like, what? No closed fists. Right. I'm like, what? Yeah. You can use like WWE holding chairs. Folding chairs. Sure. There's been a bit of an online backlash. The romantic Mr. Beast's influence. But it does seem pretty irresponsible to repeat an experiment that A was predicated on the abuse of students and B has been subsequently completely discredited. The people who ran this experiment were coaching them.

1:05:55They were like telling them to be cool. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no control groups. There was no nothing. So what do you do? Yeah. So the prison. And yeah, but also for summary, because I feel like we say, say for prison experiment, not all the people know the details, we know the vibe. And it was this idea of essentially Lord of the Flies. What will happen when you leave people to create their own hierarchy. And it was manipulated. And it was saying that people will be cruel. They're animal. Yeah, I was trying to prove that when there was again no scientific method. Right. And this is like a linchpin for right-wing politics to be like, people are really bad if you left their identity. That's why you need society to put them in prison. Hey, look at that. But yeah, the prisoners were stripped naked, hooded, chained, and denied food and sleep by the people organizing. Yeah. Those were the instructions that you like couldn't do anything about. They wanted to get the vibe right. And everything was exposed as fraudulent. It was revealed Zimbardo's team coached the guards in order to achieve the result they

1:06:58desired. The researchers encouraged the guards. Aggression and reprimanded those who were too lenient. So the UK, the BBC actually recreated his study for a 2002 reality show called The Experiment. They couldn't get Samford sign off on that one. Because it's probably ethical. Right. It would prove it wrong. Yeah. And the BBC's C show was basically like, no, actually, people weren't that mean like they didn't have the American instinct to be like, oh, fuck these losers. Yeah. They don't have as much stuff as that. Yeah. Right. And they were like, yeah, the people weren't dicks. They were reluctant to assert authority and appeared uncomfortable enforcing discipline. Oh, wow. Right. That's what I want to hear. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure everything downwind of this like made Zimbardo a very wealthy person too. Of course. Can you come speak to like a group of one person? That's what made it a thing. That guy was banging through Marriots across the country. I was really doing it with that. His vibe is real.

1:07:59Fuck off. Looking. Like, what's the, what's the interviewer that passed away of the actors on actors? Oh, yeah. James Lipton. Yeah. He looks like James Lipton. He looks like evil jammed evil. Yeah. Yeah. Mario James Lipton. Yes, exactly. Or something like that. Or something like that. He looks like a murderer in an episode of Columbus. That is exactly. Yeah. There's something about when you die, you're facial hair when you're that old. I mean, it just somehow, it just reads as evil. You're like, oh, you're evil, bro. Yeah. I know you don't want to admit you have gray hair. But they can also never color match. So it's too dark. And I'm always like, I feel powerful over you for that reason. Yeah. And also like it doesn't match your hair. Yeah, of course that. Are you using the same box? No. No. What just for men color are you using this will fool them? Yeah. He's like combing it through using Sharpie. Yeah. I mean, also the Stanford prison experiment, like the fake version that everybody's like heard in college, I think, is has been shown to be pretty responsible.

1:09:00For like how reality TV has evolved over time. Like people are like, yeah, no, we just, you know, people have pointed out that like kid nation CBS's 2007 show in which 40 children ages eight to 15 were dropped off in a ghost town with no adult supervision. Oh, yeah. They were just like, like, so much ice cream the whole time. Yeah. A lot of belly eggs. They weren't going to bed. It's crazy. And the producer of a squid game, the competition reality show bragged much more that there shows much more akin to a Stanford prison experiment type thing. So you know, it beat intellectually rigorous. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. A different experiment type deal. It needs. That's a pitch in there. Yes. Like Stanford prison experiment type. But it's also like if we're actually taking those values, we can see it across survivor across naked and afraid. Like it's like we do have the concept of being completely worn down and where your humanity lies.

1:10:01Right. But also we have a concept in our society where it's like we criminalize poverty. So then we are continuing the propaganda of the idea that it's the fault of that person because they're being horrible when they are in a situation of need. Right. And it's like, well, no, that's not how it works. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then we have the same kind of experiments from the 20th century that all just are like people are fucking cruel. What can we say? There's also this one, the robbers cave experiment where they like split up groups of young boys and were like and they turned into Lord of flies and Lord of the flies immediately. And it again was revealed that they intentionally stoked the researchers intentionally stoked them to be like, hey, that guy's fucking. I mean, they're producers. I mean, they're like, you know, he likes her. Completely undercuts our argument for an oppressive state. Yeah, exactly. Anyways, I'll be watching. Yeah. I'm tuned in. I'm like, get a date.

1:11:01Yeah. I'm going back to popcorn. Yeah. We'll be betting on polymarket. Oh, wait. You two work people. I want to talk about this. I, this is an aside. I'm sorry. My heart. I got so much anger in my heart. Like really angry at how to sit with why? I'll cry even think about it. There's something discussing. It's not personal. But with the LeBron Polymark market, like, ad, like, I feel really heartbroken a lot of times over Michael Jordan and like how he wasn't supported, like how dedicated he was and that gambling, like, took him out in his family, his father, like, and that it just felt so gross to me that like our next great display here that we've had, like, like, gambling is just like a thing that he's been comfortable. Like, and I know it's not personal. I'm one of one of these business men, but like, so awful. When it comes to the idea of like these behemoths of inspiration and dedication and then where capitalism comes in and one destroyed one and one, like, I don't know. It just, I just made me feel a type of one. Yeah.

1:12:02I mean, I feel, I think most people probably don't look at Michael Jordan as a tragedy at all, like in that sense, because, like, because they're like, I don't know. He's like a billionaire. You know what I mean? Not seeing, like, the real depth to like, like, he, you know, you don't leave the sport essentially, like, you know what I mean? Like, I know where you're like that baseball. And there's theories about that the who knows who knows what game we do know that like his life. Yeah, yeah, it was. And I think, I think the bigger, I think the tragedy is a sort of like how capitalism can just sort of co-opt these figures, subsume them. And they'll be like, because you see if there's a version of reality, I think about this little bronjames all the time, like, man, if he just like said some real shit every now and then do a lot. And it's hard. He has a school. He has so much support for the community. But it's, I don't know. Yeah, it is. There's still those. But there's like times when you just go like, I think it was the most disappointing at the end of the day, once these people become these brands, like they cease to become human beings that feel like they can do anything with their outsized influence to like better anything. That's real.

1:13:02Like, he picks and chooses, you know, like what he wants to get involved in. He's not like a net negative on society. But there's also like, there's a lot of times people like, man, maybe you could say something about just one or two things eventually just to let because if you did that, it would allow for a lot of other people just like with the fucking, we'll have more and stuff. And other artists like sometimes you just need somebody to be like, look, I'm going to say it and I'm okay. And I'm not, I'm still here. And you can say it too. And you can still be here too. And yeah, I think that's definitely something that, yeah, I think just sort of that era of like looking at those like sports figures and being like, man, are they going to do something and it's very, it's not common in the US. So for so long where you're in a world where you're only hearing from people with financial incentives, you know, it's because he has a famed up psychological experiment. Yeah, completely. It's actually 100%. And like the people have like met and interacted with over the years that like gotten to know

1:14:04that were like celebrities, like to your point, like they're biggest so isolated. And they don't trust anybody anymore because they get used to this cycle of somebody always needing them for them for their thing. So then they never know if they're like actually friends with anybody. It's like, it's, so then I'm sure then that you were treated further to people that will come for you and tell you you're doing good. And then it's like, no, LeBron, take that, take that check because that'll help you have more money than ever. Yeah. People like it. It's a fun, super bowl commercial. Yeah. Right. Right. John Legg was almost got a lot of shit too for being in there. Johnny Leggs was there. Yeah, yeah. He was beginning. Yeah, yeah. And he's like, no, I'm giving the money away. And people are like, bro. Also, they all say, yeah, they're like, what kind of South Riyadh comedy festival I've answered with that. And. All right. That's going to do it for this week's weekly zeitgeist. Please like and review the show. If you like the show, uh, means the world to miles. He needs your validation, folks.

1:15:05I hope you're having a great weekend. And I will talk to you Monday. Bye. Yeah. This is an I heart podcast guaranteed human.