We Dreamed A Dream: Tuesday, October 6th, 2026

0:00I'm going to be a little bit good morning. Girl is it's the it's Jackson Claude and where your home. It's your favorite show. The fast five things you need to know will start your day off. Swirly it's the toast. It's amazing. Welcome back to the chose and happy Tuesday. Hope you guys are ready for a naloffie. I'm going to be a little excited about it. We have so many stories. As usual, we have to just chat about ourselves of course amongst ourselves. And then we also have to your toast. I don't know why I'm just feeling like I should get comfortable. I'm glad we have these new chairs. Oh yeah. I feel like the stories are the stories are is there like a lead story that you're excited to talk about? It feels like. It does feel like there is one story that I'm really excited to talk about. Okay. Well, I don't want to jump the gun. No, no, we would never. But of all the stories, don't you find it difficult to get a little special genus igua?

1:00I don't want to give anything away. Yeah, me neither. I hold them tight to the best. And just so I can know like and the people can know like what story do you think what number is the one that has all the genus igua? I don't know, probably latter half. So look four or five. Three, four or five. Three, four or five. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Can you keep your hand? I can't. Just like chanting with the stars. Which airs tonight? You know, I saw this is not an ad, but I saw like all the, I actually felt better when I saw like all the things that I saw. I was like, I'm like the prediction markets. They're all saying Jackson is going home tonight. Because I don't know if you have seen like his big scandal. Yeah, he went for Guillermo. He was like making a comment and then Guillermo, like finally responded, being like, I think he was joking. Like trying to like get the fans to lay off of Jackson. Big mistake. But also, I think it's Jackson's time. You've been in addition to the Guillermo. He said that last week. Actually, it's time it's not. You called me last week like with a big piece of, um, of information like about us. I called you. Yeah. Last week. Last night. Sorry. Yes, of course.

2:00You were like, oh my god. Check your text. Oh, yeah. I was like, Jackie, did you hear? And she was like, what? We're going to see. I think we're going to start as I was like, no. It was something else, which I guess we'll talk about later. But then I said to you, like, I really hope I never get asked to do as much as I want to. You have to start putting it out there. No, like, I just need to put this out there so everybody knows like, really where I stand. I want to do dancing with the stars. Like, I would love to do it. It would be a dream of mine. I hope I never get asked because I will be so conflicted because realistically, like, I can't do it. But I would love to do it. You with massing her. It was like being asked was the worst thing that ever happened to her. Like, because you have to do it. And you can't. No, but I can't. Of course. No, ask us in five years, like, when we're done rearing children and we are skinny, like, we will do it then. Yeah. So I literally see a dancing with what the stars 2032. So I'm glad that last night I was not asked to join the next season of dancing with the stars. No, and the sort of like career milestone we did find out about last night, I want to say, like, is better than dancing with the stars.

3:00You think so? We can discuss, like, if we, when I'm talking about it later. If it's in like one of the latter half three four or five stories. How's your day going? How is we taking going? You know, it's going well. I would say. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's nine o'clock. So like nothing. That kind of structure. I didn't get to finish my show last night. I'm on like, I have half of the last episode left. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. But we're not going to be doing it for the last half of the last episode left. I was supposed to be doing to a night, but then like, Max he woke up and so I still didn't finish my show. But the show was good, and I'm enjoying it. I'll be sad when it's over. I did something last night. Something crazy last night. Crack. Crazy. Yeah. Literally crazier. I finally watched the voice. Because I've been like voice curious about all the contestants. And you know, I can't. It's not a season of the voice. If I don't watch and like, hate one of the judges. Of course, last couple of seasons it was Michael Bluebley. He never should have been And you know who I hate. Riley Green. No. Queen Latifa. Could never. I'm incapable. Who's the fourth? It's not Kelly. Adam Levine, of course. Oh my god.

4:00Oh that was even a trick question. I thought it was a trick question. So first of all, I feel like when you see the coaches like sort of communicating with one another, you really get to see like who's the diva. It was Claire Lassie's in this Michael Lou Blay. Like he thought he was so much better than everyone. And Adam Levine is just like, I'm sorry, he's not qualified to be there anymore. Like he's really not relevant right now. This is his house. Well, it's a house that he built. And that's what he. And that qualifies him outside of musical accolades. That's what he like pitches himself to the blind or dishes. He knows how to usher you through. But Riley Green. To be a winner. Like it's a dick measuring contest. Like Riley Green is just very effortlessly cool. Like a lot of the young girls on that show. Like they want to be on his team. Like he's hot. He's like the hot young thing. And they keep like, you know, jabbing it one another. All in good fun, right? And I'm telling you, they fucking hate each other. Queen Latifa and Kelly Clarkson are getting along. Just like. And they don't put them next to each other. They might girl boy girl boy, because I'm telling you. Like Riley Green and Adam Levine do not get along. And also I actually don't know. I mean, you're watching. So you could tell me better if it's balanced. But it doesn't really sound like for distinctly different judges. No, because Kelly Clarkson and Queen Latifa definitely

5:02cover a similar girl. Are very similar. And then Adam Levine and Riley Green. They're very like folks. No, and they are the same. Sorry, if you look at them, they're the same person. Exactly. Exactly. That like a lot of the contestants on the show are really young. And like I feel like a lot of them don't even know Adam Levine outside of the voice. I'm being dead serious. And just seeing him there, it's getting like sad grandpa. And the rest of the group is like so culturally relevant. Like Queen Latifa is eternal. Kelly is so having a moment. And Riley Green is like this up in camera. So it's just like, what are you doing here? It's giving like the senior who graduated like keeps coming back to say hi to the teacher is like, my guess. But I don't want a freshman to be my coach. Riley Green. Well, I don't know. Like on her first season, Kelly Clarkson. No, not a freshman one. Coach. A freshman artist. They jump the gun with Riley Green. 100%. He has not earned his stripes. And I want to say, I, you know, my literally your dream is to be on dance with the stars. My dream is to be a celebrity vocal coach on a competition show, American Idol, X Bacter, the voice. And the thing is, you know, I actually think I would end up with nobody on my team because

6:03I thought a lot of the singers don't qualify. No, I thought they stung. Like I wouldn't have turned for half the people that these judges were turning for. But like they have to hit a quota. Yeah. So I see Queen Latifa turning. I'm like, I know you don't think he's good. But I think a lot of, at some point, gets him on an extreme. I just feel like the pull of people is not like insane. Well, if you think about it, we've been doing these singing shows for 20 some years. Yeah. There are so many of them. We're finding all the best singers in the country every year. Maybe we're out of singers. But new people are born. Like you can consider the baby boop. They are born. No, I just didn't, I wasn't really impressed by the talent. But also it is technically the first round. So by the time we get, you know, to the knockout rounds and whatever, the Hollywood week, whatever they call it. And you get like the really good like 10 singers. But for now. And also it's like you need people who are eligible to go home in the knockout rounds. Like you want to see a great go home in the knockout. It's true. It's true. I don't know. I just, this group is, it's like 75% working. The judges. And they're saying that Adam's the problem. I would say it's 50% working because I think Riley and Adam sound problematic.

7:03Riley has a really nice personality. I think him and Kelly like know each other from the country scene. He's getting along really well with everyone. And the contestants really like him. Like I'm telling you, Adam's the outlier. And he like knows it. He's sort of leading with like insecurity. And all the jokes that like Riley's making about him is like, he's the old guy. It's like, but he is the old guy. It's like a little too, it's a little too on the nose. I don't even know if it's age. I just mean like, no, I'm definitely much older. But it's like culturally. If he's in his 40s, then it's 47. 47. So if he's in his 40s, it's like a joke, you know, you know, you're going to be saying it about someone like, but he was more so like not saying it about age, but saying it about like, you know, Adam's old news. Yeah. I enjoyed the jobs. I'm glad because you don't like him. I don't like him. Add to the list. But I will say, you know, you should also be respectful, not you. Of your elders. Respect your others. Moor and privacy huge. Yeah, I feel the only huge. Anyone that chose Adam when I was watching. They were either choosing him by default or like, I'm telling you, the judges made, like

8:04the production made the person choose. But who wants to be an Adam Levine? No, but if you want to win the voice, you go with Kelly or if you're not a Kelly, if you're not like a Kelly, Adam, he knows how to usher you in as a winner. You're on the voice. Who are you going with? And these are my four choices. Like obviously Kelly. Obviously Kelly. I'm looking for a friend. Yeah, obviously Kelly, but I just also want to say like it would be a tough decision if Quintley T-Fall also turned around. Yeah. And just for me, obviously Kelly, like she's my number one in this world. Of course. That would be a dream come true. But Motormouth Maybell, like if I had the opportunity to talk to her endlessly about Harrisburg, and I would of course choose a good morning ball tomorrow, or her solo, Big Blonde and Beautiful. Yeah. It's tough. I would, I would choose Kelly, ultimately, because I think it would get better matched. And she has a coach. And I think like vocally, we match a little bit better, but I would have a really hard time choosing. When you say that your dream is to be like a celebrity vocal hojo, does that mean you want to be in the chair or you want to be like, we brought in Claudia? No, I want to sit in that chair. Okay. And actually, if I had my jethers, I really would want to be an X factor at its height,

9:08an X factor, because they sat behind the table and like you don't have to see your belly or anything. And the lighting was still flattering. And it was such a cultural moment, like when Chloe was hosting. Yeah, I would have loved to have been like Bernie Spears or Demi Lovato or LA Reed. Understood. That's my dream. But I know in order to fulfill that dream, I have to be a successful singer first. And I couldn't even shake it on the mass singer. So I'm definitely not, that's not going to be in my lifetime. Like dancing with the stars might be in your lifetime. The voice slash, X factor slash American Idol is not going to be in my- Well, what if they maybe, you know, like every other show they might want like an influence, you know, here's the other thing though. And also you could eventually become so powerful as like a commentator, but they would have a commentator as a person daily. You couldn't be on the voice. Sorry, you couldn't be a voice judge. But the way that like Simon Cowell, he's not a singer. It's so true. Like, and Randy Jackson. And he was very valuable. It's true. I think I'm more of like, I bring the industry. Yeah. And just it's not the voice because the voice are coaches and you're not a coach. And the other thing about you are a judge. I couldn't coach because like a judge, a jury and an execution.

10:10I know how to sing, but I can't teach you. Like, I don't even know what sort of value I could provide as a coach because- Thank you for admitting. Of course, you know, you either have it or you don't. That's what I would tell my team. I would say, do you have it? Yes or no? Yes or no? Are you still texting bitches? Yes or no? So that's like, I can't help you beyond that if you don't have what it takes. Yeah. So I think we should just redirect the dream. Yeah, I like that. America's got talent. America's got talent. No. Okay, so- It's like kind of a circus show, do you know what I mean? It is. It's like the abortionists. Yeah, but it is. I want to go strictly like to the straight to the music industry. Okay. I need to become a commentator. So powerful. Yeah. They can't ignore me. The way that Joe Rogan does UFC. So true. But also didn't he like you still fight. Don't worry about that. Don't worry about that. Well, I was on the massacres. Don't worry about that. You have two hit songs out. Oh, that's true. Actually, a lot of people don't know that. On a day, I'm going to have a good time. A thousand hands up to this guy.

11:12We actually recently listened to all of my music and by all of it, of course, I mean my two hit songs. And let me tell you that shit is so good. Like I was in Olivia's house, the kids were loving it. Like, it's really a pop. It's honestly very kid-friendly too. I don't curse. Yeah. I think I say sexy ones. I toast the wild ones. You'll have to put out a clean version. That was in person. OK, like I love coming up with dreams and aspirations. Do we have a list of that? I was just going to say goals. I know we have a list of regrets. It's important to set goals and it's also important to remember the goals. Well, that's the hard part is not setting them. The hard part is remembering what goals you set. And then how do you know if you achieve them? Achieving them. OK. Talk about it. I feel like one of my big goals that I hit, like I really had this like obsession with performing at the vegan theater. And we've done it now like many times. Yeah, like old news. I think it was like two or three times. We have dream guests. No. No. And a really dream of interviewing. So we should start a list called dreams. OK. Dreams. And like accomplishments.

12:13Goals. Goals. Dreams and goals. Just in case I don't know what the search term will be. Right, right. You dancing with the stars. You sure throw me in there too. OK, dance with the stars for both of us with the brother duo. Yeah, of course. Or I'll be one of those contestants that dances with a girl. I'll dance with Julianne. And you can dance Derek. OK. And then of course being a like being a giant, a singing show. And you know, I do think like a good version of that. But I think I like burn the bridge by quitting in the middle of the show. Is that could be a panelist on massing or because I love to sing obviously. But I also know a lot of pop culture. So I would say the bridges burn. I actually wouldn't say I talk to, you know, the producer all the time. And I just spoke to Dina the other day, the creator of the show. Like we're all good. They were very supportive of monolas. But like I'm sure they're whispering about me behind my back. I mean, like never bring that girl back here. Although I would just like truly love to be a panelist. I'll just put that out there. And they do have guest panelists. I think Rita Orner was guest. And then as far as any other dreams, what about there? I feel like this conversation's coming up a lot now because there are all these like alumni shows of like traders, et cetera, that are like looking for influence.

13:13Or so, of course, think like what about me, you know, yeah, right, right, right. Any of those are any of those in your dreams. No. No. Like again, I would be unreal on traders. Like you have no idea. You've ever played that game with me, the faker. You know the game? I don't know. I started to block out any of these. I know. It's the one you play on the TV that's not quip lash. No, I don't know. So it's like everybody gets a message on their phone and it says you're either the faker or you're not. And then they give you like a bunch of tasks, trivia. And the faker doesn't get the tasks or trivia. So they just have to pretend to know what's going on. And then you all vote like us to each round who you think the faker is. And let me tell you, I guess like the shit out of everyone, especially those shaperos. So I think I would be amazing at traders. Although again, like the challenges, I'm really not down to get into it. Doing my own glam for TV every day for three weeks. And you'd be better at that part that you think. Living in Scotland or where is it? Scotland. For like weeks on end without my family. Also, probably not. So I feel like you could bring your family in.

14:14It probably winds up being like two weeks. Okay. You know, yeah. Because it's like every day like two people go home. Yeah. It's kind of short. Just like also being in such close quarters like people I don't know. Like those shows like this people you know. What do you mean? Like if you talked about them. Oh my god, of course, a land mine for a podcaster. Like I just, I don't know, I don't know. But I think of all the shows that I'm most eligible for, it would probably be traders. Okay. Stay tuned. Yeah. I don't have to bring it around my guilt of course. So those are our hopes and dreams. What are your hopes and dreams? Sound off in the comments. If you were, no, even just a late person. I'm interested. What are people's dreams? Like also, if you were an influencer, like what show would you want to be on? I feel like a lot of people would want to be on special forces. Really? Yeah. People not like us, but yeah. Wait, are you being serious? Yeah. Why? Because it's cool and intense and like it's a test of your physical and mental. But it's like really like insane amount of work for a show. Nobody watches. Like with traders and even dancing with the stars, they're such a payoff.

15:14Like you're putting in so much work physically, emotionally. But you are being rewarded with opportunities, followers, fame, brand deals. Literally nobody watches special forces. I think some of our audiences. I'm telling you they don't. And you guys know I can't talk about special forces about bringing up the fact that yes, I was asked to be on it. I was pregnant. And I was never doing it. No, no, no. Even if they had asked me one year earlier, I might have done it. Good thing they didn't. That was my peak physical year. Good year. I could have not went home first. I would have went home like third. Yeah. Well, I think that's all my dreams for the day. Yeah. I love talking about our dreams. Not like nocturnal dreams, because that's so boring, except for the one of the first you had last night. But yes, hopes and dreams. Yeah, the team of the weakest dreams so far. Thunder only hat. You guys know I can't sing when. I was going to sing. I'm pregnant. Dream, dream, dream. Oh, the mileage. That's a good one. I was, of course, going for it, because I'm more of like a... Yeah, you got your head in the cloud. Oh my god, that's not how this is. Oh, you got your head in the cloud.

16:17Well, you're all thinking out loud. The more you dream about me, the more that I believe that nothing's ever out of reach. So dream, dream, dream. Dream. That's such an underrated song. Yeah. And that's in the Hanuman town movie, when she's like finally coming to terms, like, and she's getting ready for like the big. It was kind of like this sort of powerful montage. Yes, it was. I was like, I'm feeling. You want to get into the stories? Oh, yeah, I just feel like maybe there's one. I'm like, especially eager to talk about. Without further ado, ado, ado, this time for the Fast Five Stories that you do need to know. Oh, the Fast Five Stories that you get at do need to know are brought to you by Vivrel, which we're so excited about. Actually brought my Vivrel back today. You know what, so did I. I borrowed this bag from Vivrel. Oh, so cute. It's a Chanel DeVille made of raffia, like seriously, not a big deal. Oh, mine is an air maze picotine. It's so cute, like a cute little mage and lunch bag. So if you don't know Vivrel yet, you are missing out. As a members only club where you can experience a rotating closet of designer bags and jewelry.

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23:24The ASPCA is not in sure. It is not engaged in the business of insurance. Thank you, Terrence. You're welcome. Our first story, Kylie Jenner is getting into acting. Oh, she will be starring in a new series called Bachelorette Weekend. It is a thriller going to Hulu. Kim Kardashian will be producing as well as Lauren Oliver and capital entertainment. So Kylie Jenner set to headline it and executive produce Bachelorette Weekend, working title, a thriller drama that is finalizing a deal for the straight to series order at Hulu. Deadline has learned. This marks the first major role for Kylie, who is following the career trajectory of her older sister Kim, a reality star in mobile now branching into acting and producing. So in the series, a Bachelorette Weekend turns deadly when the, oh, spooky, when the bride Kylie winds up murdered in the pool and her. Oh, so she's like barely going to be in it because she's dead. And her closest girlfriends all become suspects. Jenner's role is described as the North star of the series, which pieces together the

24:26events that led to the murder. So maybe what is she a ghost? No, she said. And then it's all flashbacks like how it is. Okay. We show starts. There's a body in the pool. The rest of the series is what happened before. Okay. Let me start out positive by saying Kylie recently got into acting in that terrible movie. I saw her scene. She did amazing. Like she actually did a good job. So she's obviously going to the Timothy Shellumay School of Acting, very rigorous and maybe she can do it. She's a star people. She's a star people. The concept of the show sounds good. Like if it wasn't like this Kylie Kim production, maybe like I would have said, oh, this sounds like a good show. Yeah, a good book. Yeah, exactly. When the word thriller is really confusing to me, because when I heard she's in a thriller, I'm like, oh, ghost and goblins, like, no, that's what I thought spooky. But no, it's like a psychological. Yeah. I don't know what murder mystery. Murder mystery. A lot of the books that we read. I feel like it is really. I call it a thriller when I read one of those books. It's really like murder mystery, but I feel like people don't like that. Because it has like a tacky connotation. It does. Yeah, that's a percent. So they say thriller, but thriller just sounds like, you know, someone running through

25:27the woods with an axe. Like, now to be negative, I just like can't understand my Kylie would want to do this. Because one, like, Kylie doesn't do anything. So if there's stuff she's going to do, like, girl, like make a TikTok, like we would love to see that. Like, of all the things I want to see from Kylie, this is probably last on the list. And two, like, I know that net net, who was probably really happy with Kim's all sphair show because everyone was talking about it. I'll be it negatively, but like, it was huge. Like, it was the ratings were insane. People were just curious at how bad a show could be. But ratings are ratings, you know? Yeah. So I don't know, like net net if Kim looks back on that. Like, it was a good thing or a bad thing. But I think they are doing season two, right? They are. I think. So, like, it's like a freak show. Like circus. People can't look away. And like, that's so not Kylie. Like, Kylie's so reserved. She does nothing. Like, she literally has five times a year. We never get to see her. We never get to consume her. I feel like we don't really like even know her. And when she does do things like that really let us in, like pass the plus, like everyone loved it.

26:27And this is like, first of all, we're not going to get to know her at all because she's like playing an actress. And two, like, I don't know, like, this is what you're doing. Like, we've been, we want so much. We want like work kind of cosmetics. Like, we want timothy. We want the YouTube story. Me. Bachelorette Weekend. Why? Like, literally why? I don't know why. However, it's a way to work without having to like give any part of yourself. She is public and private, like her relationships private. And so I don't think she wants to be making more vlogs or doing more podcasts. I think those things are fun once in a while and you know, show everyone like who she is and we all have a chuckle. But like, no one wants to actually do that all the time. No, like the Kardashians, specifically when they're working, like they're just sort of like exploiting their cells, their family. So I understand why Kylie, who doesn't have to do that, doesn't do it. Although that is what we want from her. Yeah. And when they do it, they also do it on the show. And she doesn't even do that. So I think the idea of acting is attractive to her and the fact that she was good at it is also attractive. And I think that like this could be really good.

27:29Like what if she's a really good actress and then we get to like watch her and have a good show? The thing is though that like we said the same thing about Kim because like Kim doesn't do anything less than 100%. She took all the acting class and like it wasn't good. No, but did we ever have like a moment where we thought she was a good actress? Yeah, I feel like we saw her in like cameos and stuff and we were like, because when you are doing like a 30 second spot on something, it's so easy to crush it. Like, you saw her in the Emma Roberts American horror story. And wasn't she in, she was famously in that episode of 90210 with Naomi, where Naomi wants free clothes from Dad. She did a bunch of cameos back in the day. Yeah, no, until like little things over time where it's like, okay, well how hard is acting? Like it's not. To be like the anchor of the whole show is hard. And I don't know, I wasn't like dazzled by Kim. No, but I'm not going to punish Kylie for that. No, no. And of course Kylie does have something that Kim didn't have, which is Timothy, who is like he is actually like on his way to becoming one of the greatest actors.

28:30And I don't think Timothy would let her act if he didn't think she could. He vetted the script. He did everything. Yeah. And he knows that like he's going to be a girl has talent because that would be really awkward for him if he's like this amazing actor like generational. And she has like a razzie for a wife. Like it's actually not an option. Failure is not an option. No, so I have confidence in Timothy and I do have confidence in Kylie. I do. And don't you feel like Kim, maybe this is like me projecting my own thoughts like regrets a little bit the dabble into acting. No. Because I feel like so much of the news we read about her recently is like hurting on more of a production role. She has that new show about like the team moms, not team moms, the team moms about their moms in sports. And now she's producing this Kylie thing. So like maybe she's taking more of a back seat. Maybe, but I don't think so. I feel like she still thinks like all spare. I was going to say it's all fair season. And remember when we were watching the show and she had this like big media at Netflix

29:32and they sold through this like comedy that was going to be the next bridesmaids. I'm sorry. I was literally 18 minutes ago on variety all spare season two to launch from Rome film festival with Kim Kardashian Naomi Watts, Neesey Nash and Sarah Paulson attending. So not only are they bringing back for season two, they're bringing it back bigger than ever. Okay. But she also had like a movie that's supposed to come out. I don't know if they filmed it. Remember she was pitching it on the show. Yes. And was it all over time? Someone was in it. Wait, we talked about it. Yes. Like it was star studded. Star studded. It's good. It's gonna be sure right? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Like I hate this era for Kim. Like I think it makes no sense. And it kind of like always makes you think about what Courtney was saying when they were fighting like a Courtney who like you know famously doesn't work and she they're both extreme on either end. But Courtney said why is like it's never enough. It's just like access all the time to prove everyone wrong. And it's like why you just be happy with it. You have like skims and just being famous like why is that not enough and like dabbling and different things. And so yeah, it's like why are you doing all this?

30:33Like when we were watching her like a study for the bar at the All Spher thing like staying in a hotel, missing her family. And it's like you didn't even pass the bar and the show stunk. It's like why? Yeah. Like literally why? Yeah. It would just never be me. No. And I that's how I feel about Kim. But I don't want to you know project that onto Kylie. Yeah. And yes, there is. I'm holding space for like this maybe being good because Kylie doesn't do anything bad. Yeah. We did say that about Kim before she's proceeded to do all these things poorly like well that was like she was at great right. We said Kim operates at a level that is just pure excellency and that was the case. But then like she's I think she really over committed herself to like all these different passions and in addition to being like being the skims founder is like literally like I'm a greed level like it's enough for five people. And then she has to do the show and she has to do the acting and she has to take the bar and she has to do skin care line and she has to make up line and she has to do sky ventures. Sky then just go. Hi. That was a crazy time. Yes, she does too much and she ended up doing a lot of things poorly as opposed like a few things really well.

31:33Kylie does very, very few things but they all so I have to imagine that if she's take but we said the same exact thing about Kim. Well, let's see shall we yeah, it does sound like a good show. Mm hmm. I think it does. It does. I don't know why I'm really thinking of it like the perfect couple on Netflix which was a bad show but it's based on a book where it's like somebody dies and then we spend the whole time like getting into the TARD. A lot of shows like that. Yeah, it's a good trope. It is. It is. And if she's the bride. It's close to still ever see her as a bride with a ring on her finger. That's exciting for the thing. You probably came home from that day of shooting like the day of the wedding. Just like in her dress was like Tim. Timmy. Are you ready for our next story? I feel like I need to choose it because it's been sent to me 1000 times and also like yeah, team. Michaela McGarro went on J. Shetty. Yes, she did. So Michaela McGarro declined her imitation to namesake to instead bring her story to J. Shetty. That's a bitch for that.

32:33Like seriously. Why would she want to go on a fake invented show? That has no episode. Instead, she went to J. Shetty to talk about her divorce. Talk about a lot of things and I have to say perfect place for Michaela. She's never done really a long form interview and there's so much lore around her. Obviously, people are now obsessed with her divorce and her relationship but just like even her rise to fame and the accent and she really talked about it all. I will say I found that interview like really endearing like she came out so honest. And there are some really ugly parts of her divorce because it involves addiction and I think a lot of people judge you when you leave your partner in addiction but at what cost? Yeah. I actually really respect her decision and how she explained it. And I know it's so stupid but I'm kind of getting hung up on the accent thing because she talked about it and I didn't really feel what she was saying and I think that she slowly started to drop the accent but it has been the most what did she say? She basically said that when she's around her family, she leans into it more and the first video she ever posted actually didn't have that accent and then she just started

33:35like playing it up and then leaning into it because it gave her so much attention and then she just became this version of herself that she didn't recognize. Obviously the voice but all of it, she was hiding what she was going through in her divorce and just like not being real at all. She was like my whole like everything was fake, literally everything. And is she trying? Well because sometimes it's nice to have a version, an online version of yourself that you can separate. And then you get the mask off and you're like okay and that you have really good delineation but is she trying to like strip it back and show up now or as K-Lor? Yes, now it was just very jarring because mostly because like she probably said the word divorce a 100 times in the interview and like to hear her say divorce, like literally just divorce, I was shocked. Devast, like she can't say up until recently that she couldn't say the letter R that's like what people, you know, the Pock and it was extremely distracting. You know that reminds me of Grace Somali too. Yeah, but I think she does talk like that. She plays it up like for fun but like when she's having a real conversation, she talks

34:36normally and when Makayla was having real conversations on the internet, she was not talking normally. Real conversations with who? Like camera, like 10 minute videos. Like yeah, it wasn't just a bit. It was like any time she was on camera. Yeah. It's like a wig. Yeah. I can understand that. Yeah. I can understand pretty much all of her decision making. Like I'm always defending Makayla. And I feel like it's also like great, you know, it gets people like talking. You try being an emerald quoting her like it's amazing. It's amazing. It's I don't think, I don't think there's something so wrong with that. I don't, I think that's what Grace Somali does. Like she goes, she's going with her, everything I see a clip of her, it's like more and more of an action. With Grace Somali, it's like very clear that it's a bit. She's not lying and pretending that this is how she talks, you know, at night. Oh, she's a boyfriend. Oh, it is a bit. Oh, 1000%. Oh, okay. 100%. Her and Brianna, you should like do it together. It was like their thing. Like because they're both like from that area. Makayla, I think was like genuinely trying to convince people that how she talks. And I understand having like a delineation between your public and your private self.

35:39I'm like, I actually really respect that. I just feel like it's like a real commitment. Like it's crazy. This is her natural voice, which we've now heard for, you know, the first time is so different. It's like Paris Hilton. She doesn't, yes, she doesn't even have like a little bit of a Boston accent. Like not even a little. Well, that's strange. When I was watching the clip, Jackie, I didn't notice anything. The voice. Ask one person from Boston to say, she was like doing her serious, like I didn't even notice there was something different about her voice, but I'm not like so clued into her voice. But no, the Paris Hilton comparison is actually a very good one. Yeah, Paris Hilton has like the voice that she uses as Paris Hilton. Love it. And then she's got like a, you guys would die. She has a man voice. And she shared that in her YouTube documentary, but I love she had ever shared it before that she did like the voice is for the public. If you know what it is, it's like the internet is so parasocial. And like it really makes people think that like your relationship with Paris Hilton, it's just like not the same as your relationship with your favorite influencer. Like for some reason, it's just deeper than that. So I think you sort of demand a level of transparency from your influencers. That's borderline, like unreasonable, because it's their job.

36:40Like, I mean, you don't demand that from Paris Hilton or your favorite celebrity. Yeah. But at the end of the day, like an influencer's job is to entertain. I feel like people think influencers just have to be relatable. And that's how like you're a successful influencer. But like that's not true. Like you could be aspirational. You could be inspirational. You could be educational. You could be just funny. You could be entertained. Like so the idea that like everyone has to like strip it back and, you know, show you themselves naked is like, that's not the only way to be a successful influencer. That's very true. So when people say like a cult, but when people say so and so isn't relatable, like, okay. So, like not everyone has to like be relatable or authentic. That's not what everybody's like beat niche. But if you're coming to the table. In the spirit of that, like a lot of Michaela's content is and was, you know, being real about insecurities and like being very authentic, relatable, every girl as like being the relatable girl. It's like Ellen, you come up being the nice girl. You have to be nice to everyone. Yes. And so when you come up being like the relatable girl who's honest about, you know,

37:42her, she does talk about like, you know, her insecurities and procedure. She has done. She shared when she got lip filler. Like, um, and then you're like kind of harboring this like huge secret. Like it's, it is in Congress. Yes. But I like the call that like demanding all your favorite influencers remain completely relatable to you and not aspirational. Like you just have to be real. Why? No, and it's like, I don't want to watch 100 real people. I want to watch a, I have my favorites that are real and I relate to them. I have my favorites that I want to be like, I'm interested by them. I'm favorites that I'm just like, Oh, I feel like a fly on the wall. You know, like, Valerie and I just want to like watch, you know, I, so I don't know why everyone wants to be watching everyone who like seems relatable to them. No, and I think when like a female influencer gets like really successful, the thing that people like to say is that she's not relatable anymore. Good. Like she succeeded. Like relevance. I don't understand. Yeah. No, and it's like a big knock. They're like, I can't watch her anymore. She's not relatable. Yeah. Just say you're not happy for someone's success.

38:43Yeah. It's exactly what it is. Yeah. Miguel has seemed really sound of mind. And you can like relate to someone for like other reasons other than them. Like you have different lifestyle like you. Like I can relate to someone else who's a mom. They could be doing it in such a different way. They could have a different amount of kids, but like we can relate on a human level. Yeah. It doesn't have to be just because so equal or just like one to one. Yeah. In the interview, she, she did cry, of course, because like a lot of what she's talking about is very deep, but she sounded really sound of mind. She sounded healed. Of course, people have like criticism about her new relationship. Like is it too fast? She's doing a lot of the things with him that you did with Cody, like buying him Louis Vuitton jackets. But I don't know. She seemed really good. Good. Yeah. So she talked about her divorce and like why she got a divorce and what really happened in their relationship. And it seemed like it was not good. It was not good. So he relapsed. Well, she also said that like at the time when they had met, he was in the stage of his recovery where you're not supposed to get into a relationship. And I don't think she really fully realized that to like deep into the relationship.

39:45And also this around the time they met, shit really takes off for her in like in a crazy way. So they said like when they met, you know, day one, they're more of an equal playing deal. She said he's freshly sober. He's confident about life. He's feeling good and he wants to share it with someone. We were both in really the same exact position of going through a massive change in wanting to share it with someone. She said that he really struggled with her level of fame in the spotlight that it brought him noting that her star power was only continuing to grow in the early days of their relationship. She said, I don't think here I understood the scale of what was going to be. He was very, very supportive and open to it. But I think he very quickly realized that it was a lot more challenging than he thought, especially because he's dealing with his own shit, which is so new. Yes. And she starts to deal with stuff, you know, like all of the hate and the course and he doesn't know how to be there for her. And how can you really even be there for something? Yeah. You're on so much of your own journey. It's so fresh. So he feels alone. She feels alone. It's literally like a recipe for disaster. Yeah. She said he could be by my side and support me and try to help me through it. But he couldn't physically do anything.

40:45He struggled a lot with that and so did I. That's sad. Yeah. She talked about one of the scariest nights in her life. A few years after they got married when she found him unconscious at home. She called the police. Everything ended up being okay, but she said that moment was really scary. Yeah. She said during the last year of their marriage, she started to feel that he had become a completely different person from the man she married. And she started to recognize that she couldn't give him the support she needed. She said, I wanted to be there for Cody and I wanted to help him as much as I could. But I knew that he was the one that had to be the one to be sober and to get sober. And I was giving my all to try to be the best partner for him. But my job is so demanding and so exhausting and so busy. And I think he needed a partner who was there more. So she said, it's interesting how my career is the thing that played a massive role in the destruction of my marriage, but also what saved me from the destruction. Well, yes, but I also think that's unfair of her to say to herself that like her career was such a big. I think the biggest thing is like, that's why the rule is that you're not allowed to date. When you're in the program for the first year, he struggled with drugs and alcohol, like on a pretty severe level. So I would say even more than a year, that's probably I don't know if I realized that like,

41:47I thought when they had met like he had been actively sober for a really long time, not that he had it under control, but it wasn't like such an imminent threat. I think like she's putting a lot of the blame on herself, which is sad. Obviously, no marriage is perfect. But when you're starting out there, and then of course, like the fame of it all on me, but I feel like she really is like beating herself up too much. Yeah, I hope that like she can find so. But it's also like she's not going to go on this show and be like, well, he's drug addicted. And so I like she has to take responsibility. Yeah, like, you know, and just be like, these are the reasons why I couldn't be the right partner to him. This is how I coped. This is what I did. She's not just going to be like, he's bad. I'm great. And I'm out because that's yeah, rude. No, it is. And it's like, you don't need to want to show to tell us that. And I think she's very aware of how people criticize her in all the different ways, but especially as it relates, it's very sensitive. Like to, of course, you know, with somebody who's having addiction and like being there for them, like up into a certain point, like seriously at what cost, how long, how many things are we going to destroy just for the sake of like me being there for you?

42:48Sometimes like really the best thing you can do is just like protect yourself and get out. Yeah, which I think somebody would say like that's selfish. Okay, it's self-preservation. Like, no, I really respect her. Yeah. And she's a new boyfriend that she seems really happy. And she's like constantly doing her luxury shopping haul. She just did one. It was like somebody calculated. Okay, what you got? Not relatable, Claudia. No, not relatable. Not relatable. What is together? She went to Chanel. Okay. She got a bunch of shoes and bags. Anything that I would like. No, I feel like you guys have actually really different style. And so you know what? And in that sense, I would not relate to that. No, but I love to see then people telling it up, you know, because she doesn't say what she's spent, but she shows all the items. She does. I don't mind. A couple hundred Gs, you know? Hundreds? She does that like a couple times a year. I think people also really under us. I need how much money she makes. It's insane. If you're going to go into a category as an influencer and you want to make the most amount of money, like you do go to makeup. Makeup I think is the most

43:52profitable. She's at the top of the game and she was really the first, like on TikTok. She has 15 million followers. She does all these collabs. Of course, like Brandy, she does so much TikTok shop. Like, and she has said that like she is not interested in having kids. So like she's not saving for anything. Like she's just living her life. Oh, interesting. About a four million dollar house. I didn't know. I didn't know that back healer. Yes, she said like that's not a part of her journey. Oh, interesting. Also shout out to Jay Shetty. I feel like he's sort of like moved into like this new like digitals and influencer space where he was doing like a lot of athletes. Like very high level politicians. Yeah, but which is boring. Yeah, we want to hear from these people. No, and it's like it's amazing that he has had Kobe Bryant on his podcast. Like literally nobody can say that and that's great. But he's really like evolving with the time. And I agree it's kind of. He's evolving in a pargy way. Yeah, I think a lot of people when they have like trauma, I think the places where you used to go like would be like call her daddy and maybe that's it. In a few years ago, Michaela would have gone on call her daddy. Yeah. And now I feel like he's kind of if somebody has like something serious to talk about,

44:53they're really going to Jay. Who is just Emily Kaiser? Yeah, I think that he's doing a great job. Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? Three. Three little podcasting news. Yeah, I'm ready. I'm exciting podcasting news. So the golden globes which now have a best podcast award category. Year two. Have released their short list for podcasts eligible for the golden globes. So we spoke about this last year because we were like, oh, they're doing a new category of best podcasts. Are they just choosing from like anyone on earth? Could they choose us? And Jackie was like, no, they can't. Um, they like come together with this list of like 30 shows. So the criteria is used by Luminant. It's detailed in the Golden Globes Awards. It's based on charts, downloads, trends, rankings, culture, etc. And they put out a list of 30 shows that are eligible to be nominated. So when we get the list of nominations in the Golden Globes, it will be one of five of these 30 shows. Is it five? Oh, I don't know. How many things get nominated? I don't know. That's fine. Maybe five to seven. Seven feels right.

45:54Okay, so let's say six. Okay. Amy Polar won last year. She was famously up against her ex-husband, smart list. Oh, yes. Six nominees. Who was nominated last year? Smart list. Let me see if I can remember. Mel Robbins. Call her daddy. Amy Polar. They must have had like a sports one on there. Was part of my take. Was it the daily? The daily for sure. All right. Okay. So call her daddy. So we're sorry for us. Call her daddy. Amy Polar. Armchair expert. Smart list. Mel Robbins. Up first. I don't know that one. LNPR. Okay. Well, these are the 30 eligible this year. Bad friends. Oh, that's Andrews. You've definitely seen the graphic. I'm a wizard. Andrew Santino, the redhead of the comedian. You definitely know like the poster chart. Yeah. Behind the bastards. My god. What? That's what it says. Call her daddy. Of course. Conan O'Brien needs a friend. Industry plant. That's what it is.

46:54Crime junkie. Dateline NBC. Isn't that a show? Oh, I guess they have a podcast too. Good hang with Amy Polar. She's definitely getting nominated again. Last cultureistas with Matt Rogers in both of me. Last coach. Last culture. As a kids call it. Love trapped. I don't know what. Matt and Shane secret podcast has changed. Shake it. Let's. More bid. Of course. Mr. Ballon podcast. Strange dark and mysterious stories. They have to cover all the genres. They can't just do like yeah. Until they have the parties. Of course. Of course. We can break out by category. Of course. My favorite murder. Yeah. New heights. Oh. As well to them. That's a good one. I feel like they'll get the nomination. Just so Taylor comes to the Golden Log. Not just so they're they. Of course, that's just that. And they're were of course, of course, of course. Part of my take. Huge for the digital community. Podsave America. Classic. Revisionist history. I don't know it. Rotten mango. I don't know. I think they mean Rotten tomato. Oh, maybe it's like a movie. Maybe. Yes. Smart less. Of course. Classic. You should know. Yeah, I feel like they were nominated last year too.

47:56I've seen them around town. Bill Simmons. The ringer. Yeah. The Daily. Classic. Classic. Joe Rogan. I feel like last year he wasn't on the list. I remember us talking about it. And it was like kind of validated the list. Yes. Agreed. Megan Kelly. Mel Robbins. Your girl. Classic. Sean Ryan. Joe. I don't know him. The toast. That was so hard for us. I know. Like not a single letter giving actress. Like that was good. We could win at Golden Glob. Yeah. Okay. We finished the list and then let's talk about it. The toast. Tucker Carlson. Show this American life. This past weekend with the Ovan. You guys. That's what we were like sitting on our hands to say. When I tell you it in sleep. When Claudia called me last night. It was like check your text. It was for this. Not dancing with the stars. Well, our public is calling it 8 p.m. which is never good. And she never calls. And my stomach like actually fell out. I was like, what? She's like, did you hear? And I was like, oh my god. She was writing an article about us. Like I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, and she's like, you she's like, you guys are on the turtless for the Golden Globes. And I was like, what?

48:56First of all, I didn't know that was like, I didn't know the list was coming out. This is something we should be looking out for. I didn't know that was happening. The idea that we would be on the list, like literally never even crossed my mind. I wouldn't even even put this on my goals list because I didn't know it was an option. Like, yeah. And I seriously look at it in sleep away. Like I cannot something about it. I feel like I'm going to make it a big deal today. And then we're going to drop it because we don't like to make things big deal. But we have to just like talk about how huge this is. Okay. I feel like, you know, we sit in our little studio. And we just talk to each other. And like sometimes it feels like no one's listening. And it's like, we are huge. We're literally huge. We're on the list. Like, I'm sorry. I will never get over this. And I genuinely, we have not been nominated. And I just want to say, I know we're not going to be. And it's fine. Like this is perfect for me. But I just want to say, for the first time in my life, I understand why people say like it's an honor to be nominated. Like it's literally an honor to be on the list of potential nominees. Honor doesn't even cover it. Like, I'm not okay. I will never be okay from this.

49:56Like when I saw her name, I'm like, what is our web show doing on this list? I, I'm sorry. Like this is the biggest deal ever. I'm sorry. It is. And I must stop saying I'm sorry because I'm not even sorry. Yeah. And so we had to add to our list of like huge crazy things that we've done. Because in our career, things have come and go. And we forget that we've kind of done like some cool things over the year. Because we just, whatever happens that day, the next day we show up and do the toast. It's a stable. Just so we keep a move in. So we did update our list of like accomplishments that we met have forgotten about. To include being on the list of eligible. And once again, like, I mean, it would be honor to be nominated for the short list. But like there's no expectation. We're so honored just to be nominated. And also what was cool. So then we were like, what do they go by for this? Like, where do they find it? How do they decide? And it really is based on like numbers and popularity and. Things that mean everything to me. Numbers and popularity. Like, I can't. I can't. Yeah. And you know what? The reason why I'm like freaking out about this is because you guys know how much like external validation means to me. And I know I'm not supposed to. And we never get any.

50:56And I know I'm not supposed to care, right? And I'm trying. I'm trying. But like I'm just a girl. And like, my name is on the Golden Globes website. Like seriously? I need to write a song about this. Like, I'm so emotional. I think that I should write a song or somebody should write one for me. It's based on unique listeners and viewers, total downloads and streams, completion rate. Like how many people finish the episode, subscriber count, audience retention, chart rankings, featured listings. So that's a number of curated editorial placements across platforms. Which we don't have a lot of. But let me just say that. Especially after my nightmare. But for. I continue. We just have to say like. What was the metric? Like listener retainership. Like we have the best listeners. We actually listen every day. That's like so crazy. And they finish the episode. Yeah, right. Our metrics are so strong because of you guys. Like, can't thank you bitches enough. Like for real, like this means the world to me. I also think that like, while yes, these are like the biggest shows, I think what went on for that show in that year.

52:01Because like, armchair expert is not on this list. But I don't think that means it's not huge. I think that like maybe they made no cultural impact to this year. And I feel like this year was actually like an amazing time to be a pop culture swirly, like given all the different demand of all, bachelor, ret, secret lies. So I'd like to thank, you know, the women of reality TV and pop culture celebrities. Like for making our job. That's true. That's true. Some years are big for pop culture. Some years or not. This was a particularly like good year. Yeah. No, I just like, thank you so much. Like we're on the left. Like I can't, I can't. And we're like always reading these lists. We're always reading these lists. And of course we expect nothing. We love reading lists. And like we really, we love reading lists. We read these lists last year. We are very happy like people in our station. Of course, oh no, no. And like I keep saying like I actually believe like in no world will we get nominated. And I think that's perfect. We always say we want to be like 50 feet from start. I mean like being on the list before the list. Yeah. Perfect placement. So it's literally giving Celine Dion. It's personal chef. Like if anyone's listening, like don't not nominate us

53:04because we're like making jokes. Like of course I will. Do you mind? Do what you're going to do. Don't let us. Nine months pregnant. We're going like. Oh, if we are nominated, we are going. We're going. Do what you're going to do based on your. And you know what? Like if we were to get nominated, like we want it not because. You know, we have an end. We want it because we earned it. You know, and we earned it. Like we most certainly don't have an end. Who are we to like get in the way of what we've got? Of what we have. Right. So do your thing. Now let's take ourselves out of the equation for three seconds and just do our predictions for who we think will be nominated. I actually think this year, Caller Daddy will not be nominated. I think just like we were saying, like certain years you have more impact on culture than others. And I think that this is just not her year. Okay, so I'm. But I do think repeats will be Amy Poler because you don't win in the knock on nominated. Yeah. Amy Poler. I kind of feel like, do you feel like smart? This is like a little like falling off a little bit. They don't do video. Like it's insane. I mean, I have podcasts without video. I agree. I wouldn't be surprised. I would think new heights would be. Not. Could they have Taylor on this year?

54:06No. But they've like maintained like huge numbers. I agree. Like Joe Rogan just for metric sake, like, he should be. But wouldn't be. Right. I also feel like, no, I feel like maybe this year he would be. Or they'll do like one of those podcasts. Like Joe Rogan. Yeah. Um, I don't know. There's not like a standout winner. Like last time junkie. It was clearly Amy Poler. Yeah. Like this year, it's like clearly us honestly. I think so. Maybe it's just like, yeah, it's. Because I am me, but I feel like it's us. Well, the argument could be me that's always been us. Well, you guys don't want to go there. That's the episode about the chip. Like, you guys don't want to go there. No, the chip is taking a back seat today. We're just feeling very grateful. Oh my god. No, we don't. By the way, the chip has been eaten. Like just for today. So thank you to everyone. Seriously, thank you to everyone. Seriously, show. Thank you. Jack, I have always wanted to say this. Thank you to the Hollywood, Hollywood, Far and Press. Like, yeah. What you see in us, like we've always, of course,

55:06seen in ourselves, but it is a really nice sea validated by an institution such as yourself. So to the Hollywood, Far and Press, I love you. Um, and maybe because we're obviously not going to be nominated, like should we give our speech? Let's wait. Let's wait to see like why are you making it? It's true. Once we officially aren't nominated, I will be putting on a ballgown and giving my speech here. I love that. Yeah, but like, have a hope, Turti. Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? Like no. I'm going to lose. And you guys, like we went like 50 minutes without mentioning it, which I think was pretty cool. Cool. Pretty admirable. We are being so weird in the beginning. I hope you guys stuck around long enough to like, you know why? People are like, why would I listen to this show? No, I was like, she called me to say something great that I'm not going to tell you. We were being so super project. We were. We were just like trying to be cool, okay? It won't happen again. Let us just give us give us a fun day to be in South for a while. And then I promise we'll go back to being like, cool, comic collected tomorrow. Are you ready for our next story? Our fourth. Oh, no, I'm not. If it's our next story, oh, new sponsor alert that I couldn't not be more excited about. Mama's listen up. Today's episode is brought to you by the Tony Box.

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1:01:14is fighting with Dave Portenoy for allegedly copying her It Girl brand. So, again, this happened like a few years ago. Well, I didn't know this was happening, but I didn't know there were two It Girls out there. So I remember when it happened, Bailey was not on Summerhouse. Like we had no idea who she was, but she was doing content before Summerhouse. Like, man on the street is like a series called It Girl. Where she interviews It Girl, like on the street talking about like being It Girls and who's your It Girl. And I think it was that type of work that got her eligible for Summerhouse. Yeah, and now obviously the series has blown up, such an erica Jane on it because she's now on Summerhouse. But I remember at the time, we didn't know who she was, but I remember this scandal of a girl claiming that Barstool was copying their stick because Barstool like has all these different media channels. They have a bunch of different Instagram accounts. They have ones for girls, ones for guys. And they had this like Instagram account called Chicks. That was like female cut. How men like it was literally like we think girls will like this. And they were just like putting up memes about girlhood and it got like a lot of followers. And then they started to do like their own content as supposed to be coming like an aggregate. And they changed it from Chicks to It Girl.

1:02:15And they started making like making content. How Barstool does. Having like celebrities come in doing man on the street. Yeah, I saw this stuff all the time. And actually there wasn't really a host. It was like face people from Love Island like answering the most. Would you rather? It's about them. Yeah, it's like a content stop. Like press people. But when they had done the rebrand, this random girl at the time named Bailey made a video saying like I do It Girl. You as her copying my name. And she got a lot of heat at the time because like It Girl, she didn't come up with. And it's just a phrase. It's just a phrase. So like they have the same name as you, but they're not doing the same content as you. Like no, and like it's just a phrase. And it's not a one that you could even really trademark. And so. Because it is the risk that you run when you just use a name. So she got like a lot of heat. Like Dave made a video because people were like it was just a little absurd. The claim at the time. And Dave responded being like, who are you? Like obviously classic like mean Dave. And it's always been like a part of Bailey's lore. And then she reignited it yesterday. Okay, so then she reignited it and posted a clip.

1:03:19That It Girl. That it girl posted on Verity Red carpet. And she said I received death threats for weeks over this. And it was an exact copy all along like I said it was. Believed for weeks. And I was telling people the truth. And people believed this guy's stool president day. And she had said not only did they seal her name, but at the time when she made that initial claim that barstable employees were watching her stories. And then they like went and were copying like caption for caption. Well, that is crazy by the way. That she said that are if they're watching her stories. And at the Jackie she was so random. Like seriously, it wasn't even popular. So that's why people were like, you making this claim is insane because nobody even knows your show. But if people like if she can prove that, that is crazy. Yes, she said you want this video blew up is because I think her thing is that she'll ask ask her man on the street people like who's an it girl right now. And so this it girl barstable account went on the very red carpet as just like one of the stops on the red carpet they interviewed in a half way and they asked her like who's an it girl right now. So it's like she thinks that that's sort of like the smoking gun because the question is the same.

1:04:21And the thing is it's like these are bad questions like and bad names. So like who cares came up in the first. The way that I feel like. None of you should be proud to own this question. Both of you should link which the question I watched the clip on the Verity Red carpet asking and half the way who's an it girl like. Is a bad question. What? It's a bad question. Are you great. So and then they're asking other random people at the Verity premiere and then so everyone's either saying and half way or Dakota Johnson like bad question bad answers. I would actually not raise my hand and be like I came up with that. This is my thing because I would I would hide. And it's not a particularly unique or titillating question. So like the idea that two independent parties with both the name it girl could come up with it. Like isn't the craziest idea. No, not at all. And I believe that they both came up with their name separately. I don't think they were copying me, especially before she went on a summer house. And then when your platform is called it girl, then that is natural. It's like when we did the morning breath and we said what it described your morning breath in one word.

1:05:22But we used to do red carpets. It was seriously disgusting. And the people were like. She's a real question. Another bad question. That's us. The bad breath girls on the golden globes list. So I don't know. I think this is a stretch. I do think it can be a case of parallel thinking and just I wouldn't really want to like stake my claim on this. Right. No, I agree. But what I did notice is that Bailey is down her hair brown. Yeah, I barely recognize her. She looks so good. And I'm crazy. We were just having this conversation because a friend of ours who's been blonde forever finally went brown. There's also something else though. I just want to that Bailey. Yeah. Oh, you mean like work? Something. You see Jessie Solomon as a girlfriend. They went um I saw I didn't see it, but I saw about it. Let me click it. It's a beauty. I think she's a new girl on summer house, which like is Jessie's favorite. Really? And it's literally patient zero Lexi would. Oh my god. Lexi what is patient zero? Are you sure she's a new girl on summer house? Yeah. Or is she the new girl because? Oh, I don't know if what came first.

1:06:23The girl or the house. But she's the new girl on summer house and she's Jessie Solomon's girlfriend. I don't know if she got to be the girlfriend because of the house or she got to be the house because of the girlfriend. Mm hmm. And I also want to say I don't think like bar stool has they have you know things people say about them and that like right. But they have like a stealing problem. They're very original thinkers over there. You know, most of their content is original. The bar stool sports Instagram account like is an aggregate. But they license all the content and they like get permission. Nobody's for the most part. It's all content and personal. And blogs. It's a very original. Agreed. That's not a claim. So it's just my belief based on like vaguely knowing the players that this was their idea that is very similar to Bayley's agree. And it's like should we not ask the girl question because we've got this like it girl pet on our shoulder like on our tail. We've got an it girl on our tail. And it's failing. Seriously, but you know, I good for her. She is making more waves in like culture and she is a great cast member. Like I actually really like her. So sure. Like I'm happy we're talking about her.

1:07:23I want her to have a long career on summer. Yes. And it is like platforming her it girl show because honestly, I only see the other it girl. Oh, I see both. But it's really tick tock. So now I'm like, oh, there are two equal it girls. And now you're like raising your elevating yourself to that same level. And I think that's the message. As an it girl myself, I would say there's room for all of us. There really there is. Who's your it girl? Great question. Like who's the girl of the moment right now? I think like the streets would say Ella Rubin. Did you see her at Sterling Point girl? Did you see her at the Chanel Paris Fashion Week show? I didn't see her because I would have to know her. You didn't know Ella Rubin? No. She is the star of um, it sounds familiar. You brought her up before. And she was the daughter. Did you see the idea of you? No. So funny because she played the daughter and had the way the daughter and the idea of you. The one who's like in love with the Harry Styles figure and then like her mom ends up dating him. And I remember thinking like, oh, this girl's annoying. Like I didn't see one ounce of star quality in her. And I was like, well, never see her again. And here she is. Is it girl? She's like the new piece of Chanel. Yeah. A G-S. That's beautiful.

1:08:24Our fifth and final story is a little more Bravo news because the Southern Charm season 12 trailer came out. Oh my god. That show like. And just when you think they have nothing left to give. They're always turning out good seasons. And it's like, they're so random. A secret love child rumor has shocked the cast. So in the trailer, it's like the usual drama. It was child cra- You know, Austin and- Sally. And Austin likes the new girl classic. And then they're on like a beach. They're at like a vacation at dinner together. And someone's like, well, everyone's saying that you have a child. And they have a photo of the child showing it around. And I wonder who's it is. Who's you thinking? And it's not crags. Chef? I would know. Chef. Yeah, he does have this sort of vibe of a guy who was a secret love child. Yeah, but like it was a baby. I feel like he would have a 12 year old. You know what? Craig is filming traders right now. Uh-huh. And somebody texted me in a group chat with Craig yesterday and he didn't answer. I feel like if he had gotten off, he would have answered, right?

1:09:26Like I think he's like making it far. I just like I'm hoping. Or they're all just sequestered until- You think they leave everyone in the hotel room even if you get eliminated? Maybe. Especially because they announced the cast. They shouldn't have done that because now, yeah, everyone's like- Looking at ways of activity. Who's commenting on Instagram? It's true. So I feel like they must have sequestered them. Damn. Uh. So the secret charm Southern files. What's the- Yes. Oh, it's not Whitney because Whitney's the one who brings it up. And also like Whitney's not a major player. He's never going to be the guy with the secret love child because he's like the producer of the show. No, but he would be the guy with- Once. Oh, by the way, he has multiple love children but it's never going to be discussed on the show. Yeah, so it could really only be Austin? Oh, this isn't as fun, but it could be that new guy. Yeah, with the, uh, what's his name? Yeah, and now it's like sort of like- Itching something in my brain. I feel like I've seen that before. It's very low stakes. Like, I don't care about the new guys love child. I care deeply about like, Chef or Austin or Craig having- Whitney, is his name.

1:10:26Means nothing to me. But I hope you're paying child support. I just hope it's one of the big doubts. Yeah, right. It's not going to be because that would not have been kept under wraps. No, not at all. It's- If Chef had a secret child. It's totally Whitney. Well, those are the past five and you really only need to know the third one. Let's wait until your toasters are weekly advice segment where like we said, you guys have done so much for us with our data that we want to help you guys out. If you ever are looking for advice from us, you see us, you see, look, those girls have got it together. I would love to know what they think of my personal issue that I'm having at work or at home. Right to us, your toasters.gmail.com or head over to our website, thetoastpodcast.com. There's a submission box that says to your toasters. And they're both anonymous, so don't worry, we'll never like put your shit on blast. You can write about anything. Like, today we have some- some hygiene issues, some, um, core sexual issues, like, we're sort of like sex experts. Eximples. Yeah, the way that like, Jay-Shatty has encroached on call her daddy for like the interview style, we've definitely taken over like the sex. Yes. Sorry about you. Yeah, like the sexy like, what's your favorite position? CEO.

1:11:29Okay, this one's very low stakes. And I feel like we can actually give her like really tangible advice. One of my best girlfriends has really, really, really bad breath. Like, we've been friends for so long, and it's just been too long now to be like, growing breath stings. But she's in the dating scene, we feel like this is really holding her back because guys are always like, what the fuck? No one really replies back to her after a date. I know we sound like mean girls, but you really is our friend, and she's really cute and has potential. What do we do? We just can't like bring it up in a casual way. Hell, love you so really cool. That's so awkward. I know, and I feel like, I've experienced like friends with like, smelly issues like, when we were kids, you know, because we're all learning about our bodies, and I just feel like at your big age, like how do you not know your breast smells? And not know that it is repelling other people. I know when I have bad breath, because I could see the person in front of me like, wins and I'm like, oh, really? Yeah, of course. Like, I'm very aware of my breath. Yeah, I also like, you need to be self-aware. I know. So like, I want to blame the girl, but the person writing it is asking for actual help. Like, just tell her. I feel like, you think like, one of you just tells her, but if you make it like a huge deal. I'm not on the snow. No, that's so mean.

1:12:29I know, but like, she has to know, because I feel like she's probably down on herself. No guys are replying back to her. She goes on a date and she doesn't hear back. Like, she should probably be so hard on herself, to find out that it's just your breath. Like, you're doing her such a big favor. Probably not just her breath. Well, I'm glad today's sponsor is Smartmouth, because you can get her a gift basket. Yeah, also just like before she goes on a date, like be like, breath spray. Yeah, breath check. Just make it like a part of the routine. Try that. Do it casually. Yeah, but check your breath before a date. Like, by the time it's time to kiss, like your breath sticks again. Yeah. Well, then just be like, okay, and make sure like you're using breath spray. I mean, try and do it casually. And then if she doesn't get the clue. But also like, it could be a medical issue. So like, you might want to actually really tell her about it. I think as you can taste when you have bad breath. But I imagine if you have like such a chronic issue, like your mouth always tastes the same. And you wouldn't know like what's good and what's bad. I'm just fan of like being direct. You're saving her a lot of time and heartache. And like, yeah, maybe she'll be embarrassed at her breath smells. But she probably now is feeling down on herself for so many other worse things. Like, no guys interested in her.

1:13:30That's very debilitating to yourself. Yeah, like, next time she's on a date, just be like, just make sure your breath is in check. You know, maybe if you say enough time, she'll be like, yeah, do have bad breath in everyone's just like, turning around the issue. That's not being a good friend. And I don't think it's mean. Okay, this is like kind of... Markey. Hi. He's Marley's. Markey, are you in the cousin? Real talk. No. Am I a terrible person or is there a double standard for women here? I recently followed hard. I mean, that's true. Falling hard into smut. For those who don't know, smut is, you know, literature, books that are sexual in nature. They are, you know, plot driven, but really they have a lot of sex scenes. There are not plot. I usually save it for a bad time. But plot twist, I'm a mom of three. And sometimes those spicy pages just call my name while the kids are still bouncing around the house. So now I'm spiraling. Is it weird to be reading steamy scenes with little kids nearby? I keep thinking about that one dear toaster slutter where the husband was watching porn while holding the baby, while holding his baby daughter. I know it's not the same situation at all, but theic factor really just ticks with me. Am I overthinking this into oblivion

1:14:30or should I just lock the smut away for a true alone time only? Help a girl out. You guys are the best. Sincerely, a toaster. So it's not the same as your husband watching porn and holding baby. Not even close. So just so you know, like you can back away from that. Like, but stop. Yes, yes. There's nothing like illegal going on here. And I would say your husband watching porn while holding your baby like borders on a legality. Not doing anything illegal. And like smut is this sort of weird medium where it's like literature, but pornography. When like sometimes what you're reading is just a cute convo between two, you know, best girlfriend. Whatever. Like not all of it is sex all the time. But it's just like weird vibe. Yeah, I agree. Put it away. You can read other things. And I have found like smut is often a gateway to like reading other books. Like what you could smart start off reading smut. And then next to you know, you're reading demon copperhead. Like so I think it gets you into into reading. So like why don't you try like daytime reading and nighttime reading? Like read it, you know, nourish your mind during the day,

1:15:32but your body at night. Yeah. And also it's always a good time to like level up. What you're reading literally. And so if you want to be reading while your kids play because that's just like a nice bounce for you, just read other stuff. I might recommend demon copperhead by Barber King's all of our. Because I read it. And also you can read like, I don't know what kind of smut books you're reading, but there are different degrees. Like they're like, I mean, sorry, I didn't read this part, but she did say like every single fall and into smut. And she said in captions, this by seer the better. No shame. So she's like a smut head. Okay, because there are like, you know, romance books that have like two scenes in the whole world. Correct. It's I wouldn't call that like smut. Correct. But then there are other books that every page, it's like a long pornography. Yeah. So I'm getting the vibe that you're doing the latter. In which case I would also say to stop. If it was the first kind, like yeah, probably most of the time what you're reading is just like, you know, plot stuff. Yeah, it's like, oh, you'd be my fake boyfriend. I mean, like if you have to ask, like, you know it's wrong. It's true. It's true. But it is intoxicating. That's not, I get it. Third and final. Hey Jackson Claude, I have a weird mama question for you that you may be able to relate to.

1:16:33My son just started school and there is this kid with famous parents in his class. I'm talking, I spoke this person's movies and their shows regularly. Our kids are really vibing together and I want to be friend the parents so we can have a play date outside of school. But I don't want to be a total weirdo as if I'm trying, you know, so hard to hang out with them. But I acknowledge that I know them, pretend I don't know them, shut up or just like not try to say anything and never drink a sip of alcohol in front of them ever again. SOS, a star-structed toaster who's also just trying to be like a semi-normal cool mom. So I think that you should definitely approach for a play date because if they're really getting along, like, it's so normal to do that. That's what you would do. And so how would you do it with a regular person, you know, like whatever, just act like they're regular, what would you say to any other person and say that to them? And when you're texting and planning, like you have no idea. No. You say, who's Jasper's mom in the family? And like right in the, I mean, like Madison wants a play date or whatever. Yeah. The way that you would to any other mom in the class. And then once you get there, still be cool. But I think like pretend, if this person is so famous pretending

1:17:34that you don't know them, actually makes you look weird. And it's like the work comes up or whatever, just be like, yeah, of course, just be cool. Yeah. Of course you know them. You don't live under a rock, but you're not salivating. I meet a lot of people, both as like a mom, but also just like as a swirly, who are toasters. And to me, it's not weird at all, unless you make it weird. Like if you say like, oh my god, I was cracking up at that clip you guys posted, thanks. Yeah. Yes, I am a podcaster. And I'm on the golden goals. Like it's not a big deal. Pretending you don't know when I know you do, that's weird. Yeah, no. And then also sometimes people like, you know, address it and they go about it really badly. Yes. Just be normal. So like all outcomes, but yeah, most of the time, especially with us, it's like a little different because we're so famous of course. But my whole, my thinking is always like, if I wasn't a toaster, I would listen to the toaster. So like, and yeah, who listens to the toaster. Yeah, we have a piece that I would be proud to with. That's more so than someone who doesn't listen. Of course, well, what I talked to, if you don't listen to the toaster, we do not have the similar interests at all.

1:18:35Right. So for me, it's like, it does, it's not like a red flag or anything. No. Because it's like, yeah, of course more about how you behave. Yeah. So my, just be cool. Keep it in your pants. Don't act like you don't know them. And just act like say and do whatever you would do if it was any other parent. But definitely go for the play day because like your kids are vibing. That's your golden globe. Almost nominated show. Could be might be. Thank you guys so much for listening. And we adore you. We'll see you on the next one. Love you. Bye. Fall never arrives all at once. Verse the air, then the light. And slowly the things you love begin to find each other. A jacket meets a dress. A hoodie slips beneath a blazer. An old cap finds a new scarf because you don't simply step into the season. You create it layer by layer until it finally feels like fall.

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