Puzzle Talk - One Keyword Away: Unlocking the Vigenère Cipher

0:00Language Did Gary change our music again? I like this one. I like this one too. There was some slight copyright questions, even though we use music from a public library that we have availability to us. It is what it is, but how do you everybody?

1:00It is time for Puzzle Talk. The Geocache and Puzzle podcast brought to you by the Geocache Talk Network. That right there is Mr. Brotherman. Point the other way. Oh, is it that way points off to nothing for me. You're over there. Well, mine you are pointing to nothing that pointed at me. Over that way is Tom Brotherman. My lustre is because I'm glad to have him. So thanks everybody for tuning in. But real quick, let's see here. Do we have this? Where is that? We're going to start off real quick with a couple of these. All right, in the news department, International Earth Cash Day is right around the corner.

2:06October 9th. That's like this weekend. So it's October 9th through October 11th, 2026. Find any Earth Cash and earn the Earth Cash souvenir. If you don't find an Earth Cash, you don't get the souvenir. So don't go out and do like one stage of an adventure lab and think, I'm going to get it. Now you ain't. So go find an Earth Cash between Friday the 9th and Sunday the 11th. And you will earn the International Earth Cash Day souvenir. I'm fortunate. I got bunches of them around me now. I saved the local ones. Yeah, and then what is the what is the other news item you put in the notes there? Adventure adventure day souvenir. So you find an adventure lab.

3:07November 25th through 29th. So that's probably Thanksgiving for us. Yeah, so right around the Thanksgiving timeframe. Find any adventure lab. And earn the adventure day, souvenir. So we're going to I'm going to copy these real quick and put them into the. Into the chat room. Tommy look foggy. I am foggy. Amara. Is that better? Yeah. Yeah, lots better. All right, these are going to be your tools for tonight. So there's the first one. You can use any of these tools where we're going to show you how. Using the first tool.

4:07And here is the last one. All right, so tools for tonight are obviously our favorite geocaching puzzle tool cash sleuth dot com. The next one is decode dot fr slash in. And let's just speak French and then you don't need to end. That's right. And then box and trick. And the fourth tool for tonight show is the geocaching toolbox. So all of the all of these tools will decode a visionary cipher. And will help you along your way of being able to figure out how to solve these types of puzzles. And then in turn, how to create some for your local geocaching community. And so that's it.

5:07That's it for the notes and that's it for the tools. So hang on to your honeys. We're going to kind of jump into this. And kind of get to go in. And so. There we go. There or the visionary table is also known as the tabula recta. And so this is I think our first look at a poly alphabetic cipher to show you how to solve these. And when you look at this slide, it's got a bunch of stuff going on. It is every shift of a caesars cipher. That is in there. So this is like shift zero through shift 25.

6:09And that accounts for the 26 letters of the alphabet, right? So a no shift through 25 characters. Because 26 brings you back to zero. So zero through 25. And we're going to show you how that all works out here in just a second. But wanted to let you all know that there is going to be a giveaway on tonight's show. Tom, what are we giving away? A free cat. That would be different for one night. No, not a free cat. Was it years worth a project GC? It is a it is a years worth of project GC. So we're going to give away a project GC premium membership for a one year time period. And we're going to do that giveaway towards the end of the show.

7:09So hang around for that. We'll in order to get entered for that giveaway, you have to do hashtag visionaire. And Tom said we're not allowed to tell you how to spell that. So good luck. And as soon as you put in the chat room, hashtag visionaire. Then it doesn't have to have the funny little French accent mark. Just spell it out. And so as soon as people start to get that into the chat room, then we'll draw towards the end. And we will let you know how to. There's somebody finally got it right. How to claim your prize at the end. So we'll do a couple of reminders through the show to get your hashtag visionaire in for the drawing.

8:14And we'll draw that here in a little bit. So we're going to go to slide two of Tom's slide here. Look, I shrunk it down. So now everything shows. See, I told you. Take it away, my friend. All right, well, go back to the first one. We'll talk to you all. You did a lot of talking on it and probably covered everything, but. All right. So basically tonight, we're going to tell you how this thing works. Did it really did the no? No, probably not. But it's nice to know. And it makes a grumpy old guy like me happy that you learn it because back in the day. When we didn't have tools to do this, you had to learn what Cypher it was and learn how it worked. And do this all yourself. So that gummit. Yeah. Stay off my lawn and do your homework and do these one of these by hand sometime. All right. So if her was invented, I'm a butcher this poor guy's name.

9:15Giovanni by T. Stubbe Lossel in 1553. And it was later misattributed to blaze the visionary. And I'm going to mess this up. The name it had for it, because I don't speak French. It was called the chiffrey indichiffréable. What translates to the undisciverable cipher because it resisted breaking for three centuries, 300 years. And like Charles said earlier, this is a special case of a polyophobetic substitution. And what that means is as you see on that what's on the screen the alphabet's in there on this one 26 times. And you're going to substitute letters. So we'll forget how that works in a minute. This kind of cipher uses an encryption key.

10:16And as he said, cipher which is just an alphabet rotating. And if you didn't know what a cipher was, well, you see one all the time on a cash page in the hints. Because that's a special cipher that's called rotation 13 or rot 13 for short. Because the alphabet is shifted 13 letters. All right. Let's get into how it works. So you see the thing there. Let's go to the next screen. Okay. Here we're going to have an example. And we're going to do a second example later. Live using cash. Because this is just a standard engineer. We're going to do a keyed engineer later. What's your thinking, Tommy, you already got a key in here. Well, we're going to key it even further. You know, why key it a little bit?

11:16Key it like crazy. So let's say we want to see I'm going to move this down here. So I look like I'm talking to you all and not to this thing. See if that's a word for me. Okay. So we want to send a code or our message says puzzle talk is an awesome show. The first thing you do is remove all the punctuation and spacing. Well, I put that because that's the way it really works. But you could put spacing in there. And in fact, I would put spacing in there because to mess things up. What's we'll get into when we I'll show you when we do the live one. But this is how your original version was. There was no spacing. And then you need a keyword. So I when I was writing this up, I liked Jason. That was before last night when I was doing some of his new games and one of them was kicking my butt. And I was not a friend to his for a while.

12:17But I finally beat the game and I'm happy now. So anyway, we're going to use Jason. Because he's a key figure in the puzzle word. And that keyword repeats over and over and over until you have as many letters as the many letters. And what call this repeated to mess the repetition, the key string. So we got 25 letters in the playing techs up there. You got 25 letters using Jason. He's got a five letter name. So I worked out perfect. If you know, it was one letter shorter, whatever you just when you run out of. Things you just stop. You know, it may end on a S in the middle of his name. If you didn't have a divisible by five, 32 characters, then it would. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. So now to make the cipher text, you go across the top of that chart that you had on the previous page.

13:20But what the out one there and go back because I know I can't use my train of thought. And then go down to the corresponding row for the key string. So the first letter in our text is puzzle. And so it's a P. And the first and the. Corresponding key thing is a J. So now you can go back up. Go ahead and go back up. So you scroll across the top to P. And you go down to road J. And my eyes aren't that good. Was that is that is. It's a Y. It's a Y. It's a Y. And then the next letter is a U. So you go across the U at the top. And then you go down to the A, which is right at the top. And so you as a you.

14:20And you just repeat that process over and over until you have your whole message coded. So now scroll to more. Right. Yeah. So there you have. You're playing text up above your key stream. And then that's what your cipher would look at. And that's a. That is the standard version of a Vigian here. That's right. And you could play with that. As we learned what last show or the show before when we did the. Google read stuff and we spelled things wrong. You know. This is all the us the standard tools that are out there. Cash Smooth in Boxing Tee can all that you know any individual ciphers. You're going to figure this stuff out.

15:20So you're even if you space it different. It's going to figure it out. You misspell stuff. It's it will figure out if you had the key. Now what I hadn't played with. And some of them if you don't have the keyword. If you misspell stuff on their own purpose, it might have a hard time figuring out. So I didn't play with that. I probably should have. Right. We might, we could probably play with that. We'll look at it. So, and then that last thing down there just gets to me telling you that, yeah, what I told you before that back in the day, none of their work tools to do this. You had to figure out what kind of cypher it was, figure out how it worked. Yeah. Now that was on the internet. Yeah, that was on the internet, but you still had to decode it by hand. There was no tool where you could just put this in and hit the decode button.

16:27Boxing trick. I don't know if I haven't played on the geocaching toolbox, but I know that cash sleuth will do it that even if you don't know what the key is, they will brute force it. And figure out what it says and then say, here's what it says. Oh, and by the way, here's your keyword, right? Yeah, yeah, decode does that too. And it'll give you, you know, if it can't figure it out exactly and it has a bunch of different solutions that'll give you a bunch of solutions, a bunch of key codes to go with it. And your key code, your key doesn't have to be a normal word. You could, you can make it QRZYP if you wanted. I mean, it really doesn't matter what your key is, it has to be something, you know, if you're sending it to somebody and you want to keep it private, well, then you need to know the key word and what it was, but modern, modern key and Cincinnati.

17:32Modern stuff is going to figure that kind of stuff out. Yeah. Which can't slow it down. Yep, so, so yeah, wait, there's more. There is something as a keyed engineer, which is the exact same thing. It works exactly the same, but you add another key to it. And this one, we're going to say puzzle talk. So then when you make your table, you put puzzle talk at the, at the top. Now you don't repeat letters. So we went P U Z, notice, no, there's not a second Z and L E T A. There's not a second L. All you already use L and puzzles, so you don't need it talk. You put that in and then you put the alphabet and then it just repeats over and over and over again. So just another layer you can add to it.

18:33I don't know when, I didn't look to history that when this came around because that would have made it even, you know, a bit tougher. Yeah. The way these got broke is pretty much like any other cipher is, is you look for frequency and patterns and there, there were patterns, you know, if you, you know, if you spell geocache, it spelled the same and you have multiple times in your message, it's spelled the same every single time. Where if you had like the enigma from World War II stuff, that's spelled different, every single time it's in there. And we're not going to explain how the enigma site for works because that's way over my head. Yeah, so you can see in this first row, you have puzzle talk and then BCD, you skipped the E because you've already used it F G H I J. You already used the L and all the way

19:41through the rest of the alphabet. And so that just adds another layer to, to the onion that is geocaching puzzles. So let's go to Castleies and let's play around with it. Alright, give me just a second, don't forget we are giving away a one year premium membership to project GC project GC. And so if you haven't entered yet, make sure that you do enter if you would like a free year subscription to project GC. It is hashtag vision air, the puzzle that we are solving tonight. So put that in the chat room and you will get entered and we'll do the drawing here in a little bit.

20:42And while you're doing that, I forgot till just now the news I didn't put in there. We now sit on the Sunday show when you were doing double duty, you've been doing double duty for a while, double dipping on the paycheck there, dude. That's right. The geowood stock store is now open. So go spend lots of money with us because we need lots of money to pay for stuff. We're not making money on wood stock or spending it all on stuff to make it happen. So. Ooh, look, they put, oh, and you do not need a little fancy thing over the e and vision air. You can only spell it correctly one way. I know that, you know, that ray hit us up with this, but in this case, if you don't spell

21:49it correctly, you don't get entered to the drawing. So vision air without the little accent mark and you're good to go. All right. So here we are at cash smooth. Where do I go? Type in vision air. And click on it there. I said, take you down to it. Nope. You didn't hit. You got to tell it. There we go. All right. That's the plain text. We're going to, let's go down to the. What we want to, I guess we got to go up to the plain text. We got to put there. So what do we want to say? Buzzle talk employees deserve a pay raise. Okay. All the same.

22:55No punctuation, no spaces. All the same. Let's make our keyword. Let's make it tight. Why? Okay. And in case our employer is listening, we're just having fun here. We know we don't make any money at this. All right. Now, if you scroll down, we're doing the standard. You can encrypt it. And that's what our cypher text. That's what I would look like. But now go back up to the top. Add some spaces through there randomly. Okay. All right.

24:01Scroll down and encrypt it again. Makes it look a little different. Yeah. The letters didn't change because our keyword didn't change. All we did was included the spaces. And so if you included the punctuation up above, then it will include punctuation in here as well. Right. So for instance, if we came up here and put San Exclamation point at the end and encrypted it. We have an exclamation point at the end, right? Right. Yeah. There's no encryption stuff for the grammar. But let's say this, if you had that cypher text there, it looks weird there, and you deciphered it, and you got what you had at the top, how you put the spaces might make it where it's

25:05not quite as obvious what you wrote down. Yeah. So there's ways to play it, especially if you start misspelling stuff. And then if you scroll down a bit a little bit more, it's got the, there's your table, right? Just like we were showing earlier. Scroll back up to, it's got the alphabet. Put it in a word there. Let's see. Put it in a cheek skate. Yes, I tell you, spell it. And then now, now go down and encrypt that. Oh, so there's your, there's your, there's your new alphabet for that. And we'll look at this when you encrypt it. Now your ICF is going to change.

26:10And if you scroll down it, it'll also show you in that table. This is, this is pretty cool because this actually, this is showing you exactly what's going on with this thing. Sort of, it doesn't get into the letter by letter kind of thing how it works, but you can, if you read that somewhere else and like here or thought here tonight, when now you know how, how this thing actually works. Yep, because there's your cheek skate, right? Your cheek skate. So you had some examples of, I tried to find one for a key and I, I couldn't find one for a key, the ones that I had were, let's reset all of this. The examples that I found were just plain regular standard, visionary ciphers.

27:22So here we are, we'll, we'll go and look at this first one. It is an archived cache, which makes it perfect for what we're doing tonight, showing you how to solve these. We've got three. The first one is archived, the next two are not, and whatnot so, but there in the chatroom is the, is the GC code for this. So we're going to remove this, and then we've got to share it another way because I'm going to be flopping back and forth between this share. Alright, so here is our first puzzle of the night for our audio listeners.

28:26This is GC7MKVR. This cache is titled number three, visionary cipher technique puzzle cache. It is, it was located in Alberta, Canada, and it was a two and a half difficulty, one and a half terrain, right? I don't have any cat notes on it. So what it says is the cache is not at the posted coordinates, solve the following in order to find the correct coordinates. And then it gives you a good breakdown of what a visionary cipher is, how it works. It talks about the visionary square or the tablo recta. It talks to you about keywords and shows you pretty much how to create one.

29:27So it gives you an example of Donald Duck. It gives you a keyword of Disney, and it repeats Disney, so DISN, and then gives you the encrypted text out of that. And so here you can see it shows you the very first two letters. So you go from the D down to the D in Disney for the keyword that gives you the letter G, and then the O in Donald down to the row I, which gives you a W, right? Is that everybody square, Tom, your square there? Yeah, we could have just used this, so I could skip the PowerPoint. And then the third letter in here is in for Donald, and you have to go down to row S. And so you go the in all the way down to row S, and that gives you the letter F down

30:30here at the bottom, right? So those are the first three letters in the plain text that show you how this thing all works. So now he gives you in order to solve the encrypted message done in the technique, you got to do it in reverse. And then he gives you a four word encrypted message right there. And so I will drop that down in the chat room for everybody so that as our live watchers in a YouTuber Facebook can copy that and work with it. And so for the purpose of this cash demonstration, the key word from the hint. So if you scroll down here to the hint, he gives you the name of ground speaks geocaching

31:31mascot six letters, right? So we know Tom what his ground speaks mascot signal signal. All right, so we know what the key is, but we're going to go and plug this into cash loop and see if it will break it for us. And it will it should tell us what the code is, right? So come over here. We're going to do a standard visionary. We're going to paste our cypher text in here. And we're going to click solve automatically, right? Because if you click decrypt, I don't think, yeah, because we don't have a keyword in here, it tells us we have to have a keyword. So if we click solve automatically, it should fix that for us.

32:38Oh, it says that. Yeah, that didn't do it. I got something totally different anyway. Yeah, when I got I got different than what you got. So when I put this in in the multi decoder, right here and hit decode, it actually gave me the right thing when I was looking for it.

33:45But it's not here. So I don't know what happened between yesterday and today. So let's go here. We'll put this in and then we already know what our keyword is, right? And then we hit decrypt and we come up here. There we go. 0, 2, 1, 9, 4, 7, right? So those are the last three digits of your North coordinates and the last three digits of your West coordinates.

34:46We say that. We have 0, 2, 1, 9, 4, 7. And if you go back to the cache page, it says the first word in message equals a and then b and then c and then d e and f. And as you see here, you have abc and d e f. So there you have it. I wonder if it's because it gave it random breaks in there. I don't. I remember if I solved this one trying to do the brute force or not. I know that I did on the next one. But this is a good one to work with to see how it's done. I think that this cache owner did a great job riding the cache page up.

35:46And so if you wanted to do like an intro to visionary cypher's and then, you know, like a visionary cypher 101 and then a 201 and a 301 and make them progressively harder, you certainly could do that. And this cache page would be a really decent one to copy so that others understood the 101 section of it, which is what we're giving you all here tonight and whatnot. So would be something to look at as Tom's checking his urgent news that's popping in. I'm turning that thing down. So I popped it in the decode and how did it do the, you know, analyze what kind of cypher it was. And it probably gave 20 different ones. It could be a nut. I'm really stuck up as this is a prominent one. But knowing it was visionary, I went to a toilet visionary and I said decrypt it automatically without doing this thing.

36:49And this gave me, I don't know, 50 or 100 different, only 100 different ones. And it came close twice. It had signal spelled with a C and signal spelled with a Z, but not with an S. Okay. All right. So let's, this is going to be cache number two for the night. This one is also called visionary cypher. This one is by Poe and Andal. It's up in Minnesota, don't you know, and whatnot. So this one gives you the other side to this is the longer the text is, the easier it is

37:53for some of this to brute force and break for you. If you've got a relatively short one, I'll look at that. If you take the spaces out, that's good to know right there. So we'll, in fact, let's do that because we have it here. So let's, let's delete that. Let's get rid of that. And let's do this. So we come in and take the spaces out. Good call buzz. Appreciate that. And let's see if we solve it automatically. Oh, yeah, no, it's, it may work in the, in the, in the multi solver.

38:57Let's do that real quick. Let's go to the home, scroll down to his multi decoder decoder decoder. And it should be. There we go. There's the vision there. Yeah, it didn't, it didn't solve it for me. Even taking the spaces out. Descript, what is that? I used to be flipped out with the keywords. Yeah.

39:59Oh. Oh, he didn't use the auto solve. Yeah. All right. All right. So we will hop back to this puzzle in Minnesota for our audio listeners. It is GC4ZF62. It is difficult. He tuned a half terrain one and a half. And it's got some pretty beefy long text to it.

41:07And then it also gives you a key word is minards. I wonder if this is in a minards parking lot. But if you bring it over here to the visionary auto key cipher in cash sleuth. Oh, that's not right. Copy. Now let's paste it in cash sleuth. There we go. That looks much better. And then let's see if it will solve automatically. I did it in a multi decoder and it did. So there and found the key word too. It found the key word. And when you scroll up here to look at it.

42:07It put the key word right where it needs to go. And then it gives you coordinates right there. Right. But I think you hit on why earlier. You said this is a lot longer than the other one. And also has repeating words. Yes. And so you can see this PFLFF right here. Is this PFLFF this XU ZR is the same as this XU ZR. Right. And so there are going to be some of these word. And especially when you have a something that repeats words and repeats letters. It can do. It can do a frequency analysis a lot easier and a lot faster. Especially if it's in English and then there you have an answer. So I know that we have some new listeners popped in because our number went from 22 down to 19 up to 25.

43:15And so we are giving away a year premium membership to Project GC. If you would like to hop on that bandwagon in the chat room. Type the hashtag visionary. Right. Spell visionary. The puzzles that we are solving tonight correctly. And if you can spell it correctly, the pound symbol for us old people. Pound and visionary. Then you will be entered into the drawing that we'll do here in about 10 minutes. And so we want to be able to make sure that everybody has an opportunity to get in and do that. And then once we do the drawing, then we'll work out how to get that information to us so that we can get your one year premium membership to Project GC started for you. So make sure that you hop on that bandwagon.

44:18Pound symbol or hashtag visionary. No accent mark on the e. And you'll be good to go. And so. Want to make sure that everybody has an ample opportunity to be a winner. No need to be present at the end. However, if you don't send us an email, we can't give it to you. And we'll potentially recycle it next month. If whoever is the winner doesn't claim it, right? You have until the show starts next month, they claim it. That's right. You don't claim it? The start of next month showed we're giving it away next month to another lucky winner or listener. I thought you and I maybe do rock paper scissors and see which one of us gets it. I'm ready. Though I think my project GC memberships are good through like 2032 right now.

45:19It's something stupid because I always buy them when they go on sale and I buy them for like six or seven years at a time. So it's something silly. All right. So that one worked for the auto solver. It cracked it. That brute force did it gave us the correct keyword that we're looking for. And so now we're going to look at the third one of the night that we are. That we are going to share with y'all. And that is GC 9577W. This one is called visionary cipher. It is a four difficulty and a three and a half terrain. This one's located in Pennsylvania. I wonder where in Pennsylvania. I'll be in Pennsylvania here in a couple of weeks.

46:19You have some scrap of light there. But I'm not going to be up near near Erie, Pennsylvania. I'm going to be on the other side of the state. Wilkes, Wilkesbury Wilkes bar. I'm not sure how to pronounce it. But I'll be over near Scram. So all right. This cash in Pennsylvania is again. Not at the posted coordinates and it says that this is another installment in my easy puzzle series. His easy puzzle series is a four difficulty. I like how beaties. I think cash under the things. This is his easy puzzle series is a difficulty for. That might be for the high. Right. So this cash owner, just like Tom says, when I first started caching the puzzles,

47:19we're much more different than they are now. This is an old school puzzle for your enjoyment. Solve the puzzle and go get the cash. That's it. And so the cash can be found at and then here's your random group of letters. Right. We'll copy that. And if you can look on the geochect.org, it's been correctly solved 137 times. And it has been not correctly solved 19. The hint says many trunks. Many trunks is not the code word that you need, but is in fact a hint for where the tree is or where the cash is hidden. It sounds like it is in a multi-fort trunk of some kind of tree. So we have copied the cipher text. We'll go back to all of this.

48:19We'll reset it. We'll put our cipher text in. And then we're going to try this again and click solve automatically and see if it will brute force it for us. Oh, look, it found a keyword cipher. That sounds pretty promising, doesn't it, Tom? It does. All right. And when you come up here, you can see that you have coordinates north 42 0 this point that point what have you it ends in 93. Right. So the the brute force on cash sleuth website works on both long style puzzles, right, that have spaces in them and ones that don't have spaces in them, right.

49:24So cash sleuth will work either way on those. It seemed to have an issue on the shorter puzzles. And that's just kind of the way it is. The shorter they are, the harder they're going to be to decrypt. And when you look at that first one, it also had random spaces in it. As you were trying to decrypt it. So just know that, you know, if you can find a keyword that obviously is going to help you solve the puzzle. And if you can't find the keyword the longer the cipher, the easier this will be for solving the other side to this is that this tool that we're showing here is specifically built to decrypt the visionary ciphers. So it's looking for this polyaphobetic substitution cipher.

50:27So it's looking for that stuff and running a bunch of stuff through the system. So just, you know, there you have it. But it's really, really is, you know, this easy to solve them as long as you know that it is a standard visionary. There is a auto key visionary that he has on here. And so that will change stuff. He does have alphabet options. So there are other things if you're wanting to make a more difficult visionary. There are other things that you can do like reverse the alphabet or reverse just a portion of it or reverse the keyword. And what not. So there are reverse your message.

51:27Yeah, you can reverse the message. And so there are lots of things that are capable of adding stars to the difficulty for this. And so I know buzz. I owe you the HTML code for the Tom cipher. I saw your email and I'm in my hotel suite right now. So when I get back to my home office, I'll circle back and get that to you. But Tom, could you imagine if we used your Tom cipher? And then, you know, did something like this with it. Like if we, you could figure out how to get that into a visionary and move it around. Or if you vision aired the plane text into your cipher text and then converted your cipher text to the Tom cipher.

52:35And you spelled everything in Portuguese. Yeah, right. And so. Man, them. We'd have to go into Heidi. Yeah, there's there. You couldn't show up to a local event for a little while after hiding something like that. You know, so. Oh, that's funny. Am I visiting a paper company? No, my wife's going up there to work at the VA hospital. And I'm just going up there to poke around and geocache and do some county caching while we're in the area. But we have the companion pass through Southwest Airlines. So I get to fly for like $14 round trip to Pennsylvania and back. I've got 96 hours of annual leave that I have to use before the end of the calendar year.

53:35And so we're going to spend 40 of it up in Pennsylvania. And whatnot. So. All right. We are about to do our giveaway. So if you have, if you want to make sure that you got entered into the drawing. And I can tell you right now we have 16 people in the drawing. And so. Or at least there were watching this. That's right. So make sure that if you want in on this. You put hashtag. Visionaire in the chat room. Because we're going to draw for that here in about two minutes. Let me start my. Timer.

54:36We'll put a two minute timer on. And then in two minutes we're going to draw. So if you if you don't know if you got the internet. Is worth it to just put hashtag. Visionaire down there in the chat room to ensure that you got in. Oh, somebody is new because we just went from 17 to 18. But we have 24 people in the. In their watching the show. Oh, well, I guess. I'm in there watching because I'm on my. I'm on my phone watching so that I can come in. So two minute timer is. Don probably didn't get. So two minute timer has started. And as soon as that is done, we will draw. We have 18 people in the drawing. So you got a pretty decent chance of of winning a. A year. Premium subscription to.

55:38Project GC. I appreciate it. Everybody hanging out in the chat room tonight. We appreciate you guys. Thinking that this was a good topic. We're glad to see everybody hanging in. And we're going to try and do some more of these. How to solve this kind of cipher. And so if for whatever reason you have an idea or you'd like, I think we would. I'd really like to see if you could help solve this kind of puzzle where that kind of puzzle. Send us. Not that one. We want that one. Send us an email here to puzzle talk podcast at gmail.com. We will take all of your suggestions. We're not taking a nigma. You know, they're a couple pretty good. That puzzle is in depth. If you're.

56:38If you're not into it. Also, you did the movies and the. Some of the letters and. Yeah, there's some really good simulators. There are some really good ones. So hashtag. Vision air. If you've got ideas for a type of puzzle you'd like us to do a show on. Send us a. Email at puzzle talk podcast at gmail.com. Do to do. Oh, we're up to 21. So there you go. I'll get. You all getting in on this five. We'll tell one bad joke and then we'll we'll we'll do the drawing. You ready? Yeah, we're ready. Go ahead. Tell our joke. Not knock. Who's there? Spell. Spell who? W H O. W H O. W H O. W H O. All right. So last chance to get in the box is all we can't talk about anymore.

57:39Right hashtag. Vision air. We're going to add this. Yeah, we got 21. You got it. Who's there? You did good. And so here we go. Three, two, one. Hey, there you go. Tarsmith. You are the winner. We are going to need you to send us your exact geocaching name. Exactly how it is spelled and punctuated on the ground speak system. Because what we do is go into project GC where you're going to say. You we spell your caching name out and give you a one year premium subscription to it. So we need you to send us an email here with a screenshot of your geocaching profile or exactly how you spell.

58:49Capital letters are important. All of that stuff send us an email to puzzle talk podcast at gmail.com. And we will get this in for you. Congratulations. Thanks for hanging out to the end with every with all of this. So again, congratulations. Send us a email puzzle talk podcast at gmail.com with your geocaching user name. Spelt exactly how it is and punctuation. So if you have a dot or quotation marks or an underscore or what have you exactly how it is on the ground speak website. We will do that for you and get that in. So congratulations to you. There. Perfect. Thank you.

59:49Oh my gosh. We're going to finish the show and under an hour. We haven't done that in how many years. Man, it's been a hot minute since we've had a hour long show and I'll tell you for us doing the visionary cipher puzzle. We've been able to explain how to solve it, how it works, and then show three examples and show you how to how to brute force it with one of the four tools that we have. Then you know, that's a that's pretty good for us. We're going to freak people out here. We're going to show it under an hour. We can also tell you what next month's show is going to be. Because we usually don't know until like a week before when we get reminded what are you all going to do the show on and they're like, oh yeah, we got a show to do. That's right. What is just so everybody knows and you can start planning for it.

1:00:51What is next month's show? Well, I don't exactly know which is exactly why we're having Jason Fox on the show, the creator, Cass Luth. An end Cass Luth, he's got a type of geocache called a cache quest which has you set it up where you can do like trivia questions and you get points based on them and you got to get enough points to get the final coordinates. Or you can have it go to different places. There's all kind of options. I heard him talk about that much about it at. Land around in Oklahoma, but we're in the noisy room and I got there late because I was. Is he trying to find his. Oh, yeah, but watch him little cash. Yeah. So I got a letterbox hybrid thing that we got going on that I'm just totally John.

1:01:53Cash Odyssey. I just totally drove late. Yeah, so November 3rd is the first Tuesday of the month. Jason Fox from cash. I'm sure that he's going to be on the show and he is going to show us how to work through that puzzle that he has on his website. And so we'll be able to do some work there. So come along. It's going to be a good interactive show. We'll have him on and we'll walk through this. Yeah, and we'll be able to see. He's been working here in November, November 3rd. I'll tell you, you know, we're limiting it just to that because when he went over. Cash Loot. The web page at Land Run. He had so much stuff. He had added since the last time we had him on the show. We could have another two hour show just him talking to the little bit he added.

1:02:55Yeah, you know, there's so much that is in the cash. and he just got done revamping it. He also in the process of revamping it, made it mobile friendly. So it is one of those things that is really great if you are a mobile user that this will work seamlessly on your tablets or on your phone and whatnot. So give it a whirl. We're excited to have Jason back on the show to talk about this. And yeah, we look forward to getting tomorrow's email. We will send you a reply when we have gotten you that Project GC membership and then let us know if you have any problems. Need some math puzzle solving, okay? All right, you know, we did a PEMDOS one

1:03:57that got various results from it and whatnot. But I've done a few math puzzles. So I've got a few on my list. You know, send us a couple of examples of which you're looking for. We'll see if we can figure out some way to work this into some puzzles. So long. Crazy. Yes. Send that regard. Even if we don't have the show on it, I want to do that one. Yeah. So all right, that is it for us tonight. We appreciate everybody hanging in till the end. Thank you to everybody who entered the drawing and congratulations to our one winner. We will see y'all on next month on the third for Jason Fox and his cash quest.

1:04:59His cash quest. So yeah, all right. That's it. How do you do that? See all the way to music. I'm pushing the button. Yeah.