Why ___ Lost Survivor 51 Ep 3

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1:01They'll break down the rules and they'll show you how. You playing yourself and got voted out. This is why Blank lost. And this is why Blank lost. Welcome back to the survivor edition of Why Blank Lost. Now the only edition of Why Blank Lost till next summer since Big Brother has ended. I'm sure you're down to one. You're down to one. That's right. I'm David Bloomberg. And oh no, I don't want to quit the podcast, but my right hand just started hurting. And it's the one I used to move the mouse. And I'm not sure I can go on. Whoa is me. David, wait, show it to me so I can look at it and see if it's okay.

2:02It's it's David, it looks fine. You're okay. You know something wrong with that. You're okay. You're fine. It has pain shooting through all the fingers. No, I don't. I don't see any issue there, David, for you to continue the podcast. So I'm just going to have to say you're you're good to go. You can keep you can keep doing the podcast. It's great. Okay. Well, then I'll do that. And thank you to my co-host Jessica Lewis for the diagnosis here. Unbelievable. That you would even attempt such a thing, David Bloomberg. I know. I know. And you know, almost shocking. Yes. Yes. It's it's funny because last week. We did some Q&A and listener Mike asked us how we would have dealt with Rob quitting in the rules. If it had worked. Lo and behold, Rob gave up his dumb scheme and his game to make it happen so Mike can get the answer to that question because yes, even with a quit. It's the butterfly effect. Yes.

3:02Even with a quit, we will compare both players game play to a set of guiding rules for winning I wrote, originally wrote way back after season one and it been updating ever since. We use all the non spoiler information available to us from what we saw on TV, interview, social media and secret scenes. The newest published version of the rules can be found at Rob has website that comm slash wax loss feed where you can click on the link bubble for survivor rules. Now as usual, we have some other topics to discuss first. And let's start with the guy. I want to make something clear before I say what I'm about to say. So those of you who are on video can see I am wearing the stupid is a stupid does sure. Okay. This is not directed at path. Obviously, and I'm sorry path that you have to be talked about on a podcast where I'm winning wearing this because I just for special occasions. Okay. I already wore it once earlier this week when paramount plus accidentally spoiled the episode by posting videos too soon.

4:04Okay. So yes. And so I wore the shirt for them. I wore it once during big brother. I'm forced to bring it out again or Rob. Mm hmm. Yeah. And we will talk more about that later. But there's also a guy and this is not the shirt for him who said he may be the dumbest survivor player ever. AKA your winner pick who may have accidentally turned into one of the swing votes to save my winner pick now, which I might have included on my screen. Yes. Hmm. I did not see that. My winner picked saved his. So when he first made that statement, I was originally saying no, we've had much dumber players. Carter, don't put yourself in that category, including of course one of the main subjects

5:04of the podcast, the one I'm wearing the shirt for. But then he went on to try to prove his statement correct with a series of, shall we say not very smart moves in the episode before we got to the vote? So we're just going to bash my winner pick for a little bit. Is that what we're doing? Just a little. Not nearly as much as we're going to bash Rob trust. That is, that is true. And listen, I, I have to give Carter props because it is fascinating to see how almost like his bad luck turned into incredible luck and then great like ending result for him. So it's, it's, it's almost like those those cartoons. Have you ever seen the cartoons where like there's the dog walking around and all of these things are happening around him. Like things are almost falling on top of him and things, doors are almost macking him. Like he just keeps walking and manages to walk away from everything. And that's what Carter did. Nothing that was happening around him negatively affected him or hurt him had actually benefited

6:05him in the long run. That's true. That's true. But yes, it was funny to see, you know, as we just go through a few of the things Carter did, you know, Lewis was like, well, Carter wouldn't be that stupid to leave something valuable just sitting there in front of us all. But he did. He did his bag, sitting right out in the open with the instructions about the advantage and mutiny right on top never occurred to him to do anything with that, which of course led to the others finding the advantage, specifically Maggie ending up with it, which also led to him searching for the oars that they had hit smashed in hidden, which may have led to him accidentally mutiny. Now I say may have. Because Dalton Ross suggested and so have others that the maybe the edit didn't tell the full story. When I rewatched it did look accidental, though perhaps not 100% because it's not like

7:07he ran after the boat as it was leaving. If he really wanted to get on there, it could have been like, wait, wait. So I think I saw in I think it must have been the interview with Pat that she said, something like, well, he said he was kind of 50, 50. And once it started to leave, he was like, I guess my decisions made. So it wasn't quite as accidental as it was made out to be. But you know what? I choose to believe it was completely an accident because it's a lot funnier that way. It is. It's very, very funny and entertaining. I do have a question here for your survivor expertise. I was curious that they went into his bag, which is fine. You can do that on survivor you go through people's things. However, if you go into someone's bag and you find an idol or an advantage in their bag, you're not allowed to take it. Right. So why are they allowed to take the clue to an advantage and then go and get the advantage

8:10as opposed to like, you already gotten the advantage? I don't know that they took the clue. I can't remember if they took it or they just remembered what it said. But either way, if it's a clue, I mean, people have always been able to steal clues from one another. Remember that scene in, oh, God. Was it all stars or here's versus films where Colby was in the room on the reward with, was it Danny and someone and they were literally fighting over a clue? Oh, yes, I do remember this. Was it an amber? No, I don't think it was an amber. I feel like amber was in there too. I don't think amber is a fighter. But Jerry, was it Jerry? No, I don't think so. So I'm sure someone will tell us in the comments and this is something I should remember. Okay, why? Someone will tell us. I remember the scene. I just can't remember who all was in it. And so, so yeah, different than being in someone's bag.

9:12Yeah. I mean, you're not. I mean, you fight over a clue. I mean, like, an idol is specific rules and advantages are specific rules. If you wanted to go in and take his clothes and dump them in the ocean, you could do that. We've seen it happen. You're belonging. Interesting. Interesting. Interesting. Uh, so, so yeah, I mean, he left a clue. There it was. I mean, that's what that is then. Yeah. That's the name. Yeah. So, so he didn't get the advantage, but he did get Rob's idol before Rob quit. And I'm sure you were very happy about this. I was very happy about this. Yeah. And I know there have been times in the past when someone truly was getting met a fact and we yelled at them through the TV screen to give their idol to an ally. But in this case, with it being a quit, I feel like if you're going to quit the game and you may comments about how it could ruin the game if you quit, then you should do

10:14the least you can to interfere. Just leave. Don't try to change the game while you're headed out. But I also have to admit, I might have had a different opinion if it was say him giving it to Eric or Kilby or someone like that who, you know, instead of the Carter. Maybe I will. I don't know. But also he gave it to him off camera, not one production was aware that this was happening, which is also a big fat no no. You're not allowed to do like game moves or game strategy when you're like on the boat when you're coming back to camp. They're very, very clear about that because if it's on a camera, it didn't happen. So it is. You're talking more about that in fascinating. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So. All right. Well, next I want to mention again, how great it has been to see two tribes with lots of people on them. Even the reduced Savu tribe at seven players is still bigger than the new era tribes. And over at the 11 player tribe, there were multiple discussions at tribal council about

11:19how there are so many relationships and it's more complex and fun. And they have to track down six votes, which is difficult and so on. Imagine having a five person locked in group and still not winning the vote. Meanwhile, if this were still the new era, each tribe would be at five or less by now. Right. Right. Yeah. No, there is there is something to be said about someone like Carter and Lewis having as much power as they did in that particular vote because of what the numbers looked like. And that's where it becomes so much more fun to watch as opposed to a group of five where you have one person who's like potentially the swing vote between two and two. No, this is a whole crew of people. And so you really have to work through the relationships with each person and the dynamics that are going to exist. And Carter and Lewis were so great at recognizing how strong that five was. And they were like, well, but if we go with that five, we're then immediately at the bottom

12:21of that five, like it's giving away part of why pat loss. I understand, but I do appreciate the fact that we got to see that type of discussion being had because we can. There's 11 people that are on this tribe. And so it allows for much more movement and much more, is it malleability? Is that a right word? The right kind of word. And so I very much enjoy that. And that was that was a good time. Plus, it was so fun to see. I would listen to Lewis and Carter have a conversation for days like the two of them, with their accents, so fun. I think it talked about anything. I would just listen. It was great. Very entertaining. Love it. Maybe they should do that afterwards. You know, they should. They should. They should do a podcast. And no, we don't need any more survivors doing podcasts. We don't need that. It could just be, you know, random stuff they want to talk about. Yes, that's survivor podcasts. They could just talk about farming. I mean, far more. All right. Well, we're going to be talking about Rob, of course, in a few minutes.

13:27But before we get to the rules, I think it would be good for us to give our thoughts on his quit before we analyze what happened. Because he has been out doing interviews and in the social media streets, just pissing people off with his attitude and his BS. And I am one of those people before seeing those. I was kind of just shaking my head at the stupidity of it all afterwards. I am like many of those people. I am super pissed at the way he's behaving. And now he's turning it into trolling. And which, you know, it makes it even worse. Something I had said back in our discussion of in the why Hannah lost podcast. There was about three years ago. I said, I wanted to be understanding that this was not what Rob thought it would be.

14:27And it was much harder in real life than on TV. On the other hand, this was for Rob, not for Hannah. He has been a complete effing liar in his interviews. It was pathetic to see all his ridiculous excuses. Even without those, this is still survivor 51. There is no excuse to not understand how hard it is in terms of not sleeping and missing your family and, oh, maybe even getting a few boo boo's. And, you know, then again, there's also no excuse for not knowing the most basic rules of the game. Like, you can't write your name down. Yeah. There are others that he didn't know as well. One you've already referenced and we'll get to those later. Even the excuses he tried to make for quitting were feeble. Yeah. Yeah. Well, when you talking about trolling people, I thought it was fascinating that he, in one of his interviews, actually referenced when he was complaining about another one of

15:28his castmates who was making posts about him quitting. He said, I hate fake people. I just hate them. I want everyone to be real with me and up front with me. Isn't that what you're doing? We're being real and up front here, pal. Well, right. So like he's complaining that people are actually being real and up front. People are not going to fake the fact that this is okay. And if I may, just for a moment, talk about myself and I don't know, a particular infection that I actually did have when I was on the island. And it was a horrible eye infection that went into both of my eyes. I was basically shunned from my entire tribe. Whenever production had to touch me, they all wore gloves. I wasn't allowed to share food or water with anyone because they were, although I wasn't contagious, they were like, don't touch her. I was like, and I was literally like, it was so gross. Like I'm going to just listen or just out.

16:29Like the goop that was coming out of my eyes and the, and you're on an island, right? I'm not real clean. And I have this thing happening with my eyes. But you know what I said? I don't care. Like I was crying when they were considering pulling me from the game. Like they were debating what to do. They were like, we don't know. We've never dealt with a situation like this before. Even though they have dealt with a lot of people being injured, I had this terrible eye infection and they're like, what the hell are we supposed to do with this? And I was like, you cannot pull me from the game. I don't care. You can I'll go blind. Like it's fun. Like I'm not, you're not pulling me from the game. Like I am staying in this game. And I was beside myself. And it took hours it felt of me being completely separated from my tribe when they were determining what to do with me. And they had the doctor come and look at me and all of these things. It was a major, major moment for me. And so for someone like Rob, who has watched, I'm sure numerous survivors who have been pulled from the game. I'm not so sure of that anymore.

17:29And maybe he hasn't because we have how many survivors have we seen? It pulled from the game who have literally been told, if we don't take you out of the game now, you could literally die from an infection. And they're still fighting to stay in the game. And this guy's like, how my foot, I think it hurts. And it has a blue blue. And like we're supposed to give him grace. I'm sorry. No, I've been out there. I know what it feels like to be out there. It's hard. It's difficult. It's painful. You don't sleep. You don't eat. All of those things are absolutely true. Oh my God, man, it's a game for a million dollars. And you got picked to play. You got picked to play thousands and thousands of people apply all the time. All year long. And you got picked. And then you're going to sit there and be mad when those people are mad at you for quitting and taking a potential spot away from someone else. I don't think so. You can't do that. It's not fair. And say, be real with me. Okay, let's be real. That's.

18:30Yeah. And now, I mean, just before we just before we got on to record, he posted on Instagram of him drinking a coffee or tea or something with text on it that says the amount of people who are crying right now over someone leaving or, quote, quitting a show is alarming. You people are crying over a TV show, a game, laughing emoji, laughing emoji, some weird ass energy right there, soft ass society. Really? Who's the soft one? And Shaheen commented on it and said, really, you're calling people soft after you left because of a little cut? And you know, not even that, but he's posting this and saying, why are people reacting this way when he went on all these interviews and he has been posting all this crap, laugh outlying, making excuses. Yeah. And it's like, no, no. You don't get to do that. You don't get to go out there and try to make yourself look like the big man and then

19:32complain when people point out that you're just a little lying twin. So you know, you post all you want there on Instagram. We know who you are. Yeah. My God. Kristen has a broken foot for God's sakes and she's staying in the game. Oh, yeah. I mean, there's plenty of stuff we'll talk about more here. And my God. So something else that I noted in that podcast that I mentioned earlier was, you know, I have obviously been covering Survivor since the very beginning. I remember Austin's quit. I remember Purple Kelly and Neonko and Johnny Fair play and so on. When I was still running my website, one of them was the reality TV hall of shame. We inducted people like that as well as quitters from other shows, whether it's the apprentice, or because next top model, whatever. Some of them even got double inducted because they were jerks in their exit interviews or in other future behavior. So if I were still running that website now, guess what?

20:35Rob would be a double inductee in my head. He is. Yes. First for his with then for his interviews where he is lied and tried to claim he didn't quit. Yeah. Yeah. It's just so disappointing. Like it's so. This disheartening, it's really disheartening because this is something that people dream about achieving and dream about having a moment to be involved and to be part of and just gosh, his foot, which was fine. He was fine. It was all just and that he's doing exactly as you're indicating and lying about it in the press. Like we're not all going to see it on TV. Like we didn't see what actually happened. Yeah. It was suspicious. Yeah. It was suspicious. Disney Plus Hulu will make your day every day. Here's how. Some days you want to laugh. New girl. Some days a mystery. The all new Hulu original series furious.

21:36Some days you want both and nobody has to know. And Saturday, ESPN College Game Day into ESPN College Football. Make your day every day with Disney Plus Hulu, 18 and older with the Disney Plus Hulu Bundle subscription. Access these titles via Disney Plus to our supply. Everyone's got a hard question about AI. Your job, your kids, where it's going. Andthropic was built to surface those questions and share what it finds along the way because there's hope in hard questions. Ask yours at clawd.ai slash Spotify and keep thinking. But you know, in a way, I'm glad Rob quit when he did because starting with 21 players, they were going to have to have multiple two person boots along the way. And you know, Kristen even joked about you don't need to do blood moon now. I think Jeff is too enamored to blood moon. I think it will get rid of one of those split double tribal council.

22:40Yeah. Yeah. I'm getting rid of one of those, you know. So maybe that means someone who actually wants to be there will make it through. But that's true. So if he had just been more open about it to begin with, Anna might still be in the game. Carter might not have felt the need to mutiny. His actions caused consequences for others. Yeah. And Anna was actually commenting too on like, why did he just not quit at my tribal club? I didn't have to actually get voted out. Mm-hmm. Yeah. If I were her, I would not be a happy camper. No. Crazy. So we have talked already a lot about why Rob was wrong. But I didn't see anything of note for the why for the Jeff probes is wrong about blank segment. There were of course other things going on in the episode. Plus what we'll be talking about. And I'll be posting some of it on TikTok and YouTube at David Bloomberg TV.

23:42Now before we get to how Rob and Pat did, we do want to mention that the rules were about to discuss coming to shorter and much more colorful version as a poster. Go to robhiswebsite.com slash yxlossfeed scroll down to the poster and click on it. In addition, you can also get the poster on a t shirt. And you keep scrolling. You get the checklist on a t shirt. So again, for all of these, you can go to robhiswebsite.com slash yxlossfeed. Buy it all. Yes. Well, when Rob was trying to vote himself out, he said sometimes the greatest players have made a sacrifice for the better good. No, they definitely have not. And there is no circumstance where anyone would consider Rob a great player. He gave up his game while Pat was blindsided and would have done anything to stay in. But we'll look at their very different situations to see how each played and where they went wrong in Rob's case. Very, very, very wrong because in RHAP, we know survivor and we know why rob and Pat lost.

24:51Now the first and most important rule is of course to scheme and plot. And Rob did more scheming and plotting to get out of the game than he ever did in the game. The problem is he was terrible at it in both situations, not just because he didn't know the most basic rule, but also because he made it so overly complicated. I trying to get Eric to agree to a plan site unseen before tribal council and then didn't tell him what his actual intent was at tribal council either. And the funny thing about the plan was we could never figure out why he wanted Eric's shot in the dark when he asked for it before tribal council. He said in his RHAP interview, something like Christian told him to get it because it shows trust. And I really feel like this was another situation of him completely not getting it. It shows trust if you give your shot in the dark to another person, okay?

25:56But if you demand it from them, that's the opposite of showing trust. So like I said, this sounds like another complete lack of understanding of the game from him. And then when you couldn't vote himself out, he also failed to vote Eric out because he didn't even know what was actually going on with Eric and the other. Yeah, I mean, he really seemed very disconnected from everyone in the tribe. I mean, he did indicate at one point, too. And again, it's a question much of what he said in his exit interviews, but he wasn't really talking and communicating with people in the tribe, which makes it very difficult to even scheme and plot at that point. But it was almost like with the example that you provided there with Eric, like he thought that he had the ability to like play this game himself without help, which is quite shocking to me because you clearly can't do that. And just this idea that he was going to be this great player, which is how he has expressed

26:58himself and all of his ex-appressively. The chaos he was going to create and the things that he was going to do, you can't do it as one person. And so if you're not communicating, if you're not talking to people, which he's admitted to, which again, I question, I don't know, but he did do a lot of yelling at people. So maybe he was communicating in that way. Yes, I do think that his scheming and planning was bad, just straight up bad, just bad. Now last week, we talked about Rob's ridiculous stunt and said if he wanted to quit without quitting, he could have just told other people to vote him out much like you said Anna was posting. But he told me, Bloom, I never mentioned to anyone that anybody that I was going to vote myself out because Anna or Carter, who I was close to, would have been like Rob, what the hell are you doing? You can't do that. Yeah. Okay, maybe, but you were the one who wanted to quit. So you tell them and then you give Carter your idol there to show how much he means to

28:02you. I bet they would have taken care of it, especially if you told about your horribly injured leg. Oh, wait, you hadn't made up that excuse yet. Though you retroactively claimed it happened before then. Sorry, I, it's a hard time. I'm not going to keep it all straight. He did it on like day three and that was day five that he tried to himself out. So yeah, it's hard to keep it straight. Yes. And somehow he managed to never limp once until he wanted to talk about it. Then he did. Yeah. Yeah. Now for his second attempt at quitting without actually calling it a quit, Rob tried strategizing a way to get a meta back by bringing up that supposed injury that we just talked about it. Nobody had heard about before. Oh, oh, it hurts so much shooting pain all the way up his leg. Look at that exaggerated limp. I was just talking about it just magically started at tribal council. Apparently after he hopped up to talk to Eric and after he walked to and from the voting

29:07booth without a limb. And after he walked out of tribal council without a limb. So after all of the times that we saw him walking everywhere without a limp, including in all of the competitions without a limb, it's amazing. It's amazing how such a devastating injury had no effect until that moment. Yes. And it'll sus. Yeah. Jeff pointed out in his interview with Dalton Ross, Rob quote, never once asked for medical to check him out. It's unusual as we check in on the players quite frequently. Now Rob made all sorts of excuses in his interviews, claiming he had been hurt for a while. I was just tuffing it out bullshit. Yes, I'm saying it flat out. Bull shit. There was zero sign of it as compared to that super overblown limp when he was trying to get himself taken out of the game. In fact, he was so bad at strategizing.

30:08He couldn't even keep his own story straight about his leg on the show. He claimed, like I said, that it started hurting and tribal council. But he told Dalton Ross it was hurting through the challenges. And as you pointed out, we saw no sign of it. So what is it, dude? Keep your story straight. This is why I feel completely comfortable and just flat out saying, Rob, you're a liar. Well, and you want to know what else is interesting? Part of his explanation as to why he didn't say anything as he didn't want his tried mates to think he was weak. That doesn't mean you can't say something in confessional. You could certainly say something in a confessional and be like, wow, I've got this terrible thing on my foot and that it's hurting my whole leg, but I don't want the tribe to know. So I'm just I'm acting like it's fine. I'm just going to down like you can say all kinds of stuff in the confessional. So they're not going to throw you into the bus. So this idea that he didn't say anything because he didn't want the tribe to know is completely negated by the fact that you have a separate audience that you can share with

31:10that will gladly listen to the tales of, whoa, that you might have relative to some pain or something that's happening, especially considering we've had one person in this season cut the tip of their thumb off. We've had another person break their foot. We have what you mentioned pat, I pat shoulder is all was all like, so there's there's people that are suffering some very real injuries and we have seen some people almost die on previous seasons, right? Because of heat stroke and things that are happening. And so of course they're going to listen if you've got something wrong because, oh, this is juicy, like this is something like maybe we're going to have an issue with this person. No, he never mentioned it. You know, when he should have said was when he stepped out into the ocean, he stepped down a secret. That would have gotten taken out. Sure. Yeah. Damn secrets. Now, even when Mike Bloom asked him if he had an infection, he danced around it and never answered. Instead, he claimed, oh, I know the signs of infections.

32:12I know what it's like. And I was feeling that. Okay, but you never actually said that there was an infection. Why? Because there wasn't one. And he wasn't going to get one, which is why the doctor didn't find anything except a quote, tiny cut. Rob, latch on to that and ask if it could get infected. Well, of course, anything could get infected. But other players seem to be doing just fine. I mean, was Brady's thumb infected when he cut half of it off? No, he was still there, but inspections scare the hell out of Rob. Right. Hope you never get a paper cut, Rob. He could get infected. Yeah, yeah, and he's a gate agent at an airport, you know? So I bet he hates it when people use paper boarding passes. That could threaten his life. I'm sorry. I will only take electronic.

33:13I will not take paper. Those things are dangerous. I can get an infection. I have a family. How dare you give me a paper boarding pass? I do love that he pointed out to try to remind people, because we mentioned this at our last podcast about how even if you quit, like you don't get to go home and see your family. So he's like, you know, all these people think, you know, that I was just doing it because I want to see my family. Well, you don't get to yet. Do we know that you don't get to? We know that. Did he know that? That's what I'm curious. Because I said last week, I think the answer is no. If he doesn't know, you can't vote yourself out. Do you think he knows what happens when you get voted out? No, he was talking very clearly and confessional about wanting to go home. Yes. I can almost guarantee he believed when he got taken off the island, he thought he'd

34:15be sent on a plane once he figured out, oh, that's not what happens. He's trying to act like he did to backstop his own lie. I'm not buying it, Rob. I'm not either. Not. Yeah. Fascinating. Now, I will say that many of Rob's tributes were wrong to associate his quit with having been on the outs in the vote. But that's only because they didn't know that he tried to quit during that vote when he thought he was solidly in the majority. However, hearing them say it was clear to them what he was doing and the looks from some of the players, especially Kristen, were freaking hilarious. Because again, Kristen's the one actually playing with a broken foot. Hey, but you know, Rob had a little boo boo. Maybe he would have stayed if Dr. Barry had kissed it and made it all better. Are we being real enough for you Rob?

35:15Yeah. Is this real? My website used to be called Reality News Online. This is some reality news right here. Oh my gosh. Rob did have some things to say about the way he played that are associated with this rule. As he claimed to my bloom, I felt like I was running a good game. I felt like I got an idol, which I knew nobody even had a clue that I had an idol. So I felt like I was running a vote one way or another, even if after Anna was gone and they tried to vote my ass out, I would have just instigated it. Every single person would vote me out. Then I would have played the idol and then I would have voted out whoever I wanted to out of that camp. So they're all just lucky that I got injured and I got out. Oh, they're so lucky. Holy crap. They're so lucky he got a tiny boo boo. He was like, he was like the super player that nobody's all coming. Yes, because he believed everyone in his tribe was as dumb as he is. And they would have all voted for him as he was trying to get them to do so.

36:19They would have seen that. And all suspicious in that. And they would have ever thought to maybe split the vote just in time. Never. I'll could you wait, wait, what's splitting the vote? I can't stop it. I know. I know. It's probably going to be probably is unaware. Yeah. He's both of us same, same line of thought right there. Oh, my gosh. And then we're spending a lot of time on him. Oh, well, we got to. And you know, I would have gone easier on him if he hadn't been such a jerk. No, and you know, I will. I will say I was quite taken aback. He's given us more to talk. I mean, I literally had these notes written up last night for the podcast. Yep. And then with his interviews, I added approximately four pages of notes to it. Wow. Just because of his interviews. Well, and some of past interviews, but mostly his.

37:21Yeah. Yeah. So speaking of which also talking to Mike, he had the nerve to claim I was playing a hard game. Like no, you weren't playing any game. You were too busy crying because of a paper cut or rather for tending, it was because of the paper cut when it was really that you just wanted out when you claimed to be playing hard. Yeah. And I what I think is he's, I wish I knew the best word to describe. Like he's so unaware of himself. It's very, very strange to me that he doesn't recognize. He's not the smartest guy in the room. He's not the best, most talented, strongest person in the room. And for him to just have this confidence about him is pretty astounding. And considering what we actually saw versus what he's saying. It says a lot about his personality. He was embarrassed on national television.

38:23And now he's trying to change it. I mean, he reminds me of a politician who got caught doing something, said something stupid, whatever. And then just goes out and says the complete opposite of what happened in the hopes that people will ignore the actual occurrence and go what, you know, the politician is saying. It's ridiculous. It's just this, it's just I'm going to deny reality with all of my might and make fun of people who are looking at that reality. And yeah, it's just, it's, I mean, it's just pathetic behavior. Quite frankly. All right, well, you said you wanted to move on to Pat. So let's do that. You know, the actor, the person who was actually voted out. But we know she was doing some scheming and plotting because we saw her working with jelly and the two of them joining up with Devon Brady and Mike to form the strong five-person alliance that they all thought was controlling the tribe.

39:23Now, you also know that she was very tight with jelly within that group because jelly told her about her idol. Yeah, which is interesting that those two ended up connecting the way that they did considering they again didn't vote together on the first vote. And yet they still reconnected and we talked about this a little bit last week where I feel like jelly really needed to connect with someone again. And so this was her like all of branch, if you will. Like this is how much I trust you. See what I have. I have this idol. So I do think that it was what I would have loved to have seen that relationship like develop more. I really feel like we've missed out on what could have been a really strong duo right there because they really did connect genuinely. But also I think it was a lot of strategy involved in it as well. So yeah, it's unfortunate that we didn't get to see more of that. Yeah. Now speaking of what happened in that first vote, a funny thing to me is that Pat was the one who alerted Jenna in episode one that she was the target because she didn't want Jenna to go yet, which allowed Jenna to mount her counter attack

40:28and of course get rid of Alia instead. Now one reason Pat didn't want Jenna to go was how well she did at the puzzle. Then in this episode, Jenna failed miserably in the puzzle. Yeah, I was in the tribe to lose and then participated in the vote that got rid of her previous save your path. They say no good deed goes unpunished. And boy, this was a lesson in that regard. Yeah. And this is one of those survivor times where you really have to decide who do you put your neck out for and who do you decide to try to save. And I almost feel like it's too early in the season to be doing that at this point. I can understand the idea. Well, you're making a face. When did David write save you? I know, I know we were three episodes in. I was going to address that as well. But the difference between David, David didn't have a core group. He needed people, right? And that's why he ended up picking me. Like, I'm going to save her because I need same thing as like jelly saying,

41:32hey, I've got this idol, right? And telling Pat, because you're trying to bring people in. And so he knew if I save her, then she's going to be loyal to me. And I'm going to build a group and I'm going to utilize her. And he was completely correct in that, right? And so, but for Pat, I feel like her reason for keeping Jenna wasn't strategic so much as, well, then she can help in puzzles and we can win. Those are two very different things. You don't have a close relationship with Jenna. You're not trying to develop a close relationship with Jenna because you already have or are there people that you're close to. So it's almost like you're wasting energy on someone who, yes, Jenna's great at puzzles sure, but that's not enough to save her. And so that's where the difference is there, I think. Yeah, one is great at a puzzle. Well, yes, a puzzle. If we'll have to see what happens in the future, but yeah, I mean, Pat did say she wanted to work with strong women and, you know, of course, the puzzle thing. And that's why she helped her. But then she said in her R.H.A.P. interview that her tightest allies,

42:34Jellie and Devon still wanted to target Devon and absolutely didn't, sorry, Jenna, and absolutely didn't want to work with her. So I think she did want to work with Jenna, but because she had that group that you were talking about, yeah, was anti-Jenna, she pulled back, which was probably one reason Jenna didn't stick her own deck out to switch the target away from her. Why would she? And that's a fair point too, because I do wonder in what order that that decision necessarily came because it is a determination that when you do have a core group of people that you're close with and you're working with, it's almost like you need their permission to like bring someone else into the group, right? Like, hey, what do we think about this person? Do we want to try them out a little bit too? And if they were like, no, then you're like, okay, never mind. Yes, you might want to keep Jenna in your back pocket, but she's not going to be part of the core group. And so yeah, that's a tough one to have to deal with because you might see benefit in keeping her, but then other people don't. And you have to decide loyalties at that point, right?

43:38And unfortunately, Pat decided the loyalty and Jenna would decide to pat head to go home. So it's, yeah, unfortunately, I don't know that she decided Pat had to go home. I think she just decided she was going along with this group and they wanted Pat to go home. Sure. And that's different. Yeah. Yeah. Now, as for those two tight allies that Pat mentioned, we've already said she was super close with jelly and talked in interviews about how they were fully strategic partners and trying to guide things in the direction they wanted. So, you know, that part was good. It was just the kind of losing that connection with Jenna that somewhat came back to bite her. Yeah. You just never know what's going to happen. That's right.

44:52So, 18 and older, with the Disney Plus Hulu bundle subscription, access these titles via Disney Plus terms apply. Everyone's got a hard question about AI. Your job, your kids, where it's going. Anthropic was built to surface those questions and share what it finds along the way because there's hope in hard questions. Ask yours at clod.ai slash Spotify and keep thinking. That's clod.ai slash Spotify. Well, the second rule says not to scheme and plot too much and keep your scheming secret. We could arguably say that Rob did this because he literally plotted his own demise. But since that was his actual intended outcome, I guess it would be difficult to parse that out. So, unless you can think of anything else for him, we could just move straight on to Pat. Well, if anything, keeping your scheming a secret, he really did that with Eric, right? Didn't even tell him what he was going to do.

45:54That is true. That is true. He excelled at that part. He's like, you just wait. He also pepped his injury very secret. Of course, we don't. So, I can't give him credit for that. No, we can't. But Pat did have an issue with this rule. We heard various people, Lewis and Carter, especially, discussing just how tight the group of Devon Brady, Jelly, Pat and Mike were. And how they were unbreakable. There was no opportunity for others to get in. They would, if they joined up with that group, they would just be used as votes on the bottom. And so on. Now, we often talk about how players should not be in obvious duos. You'll imagine being in an obvious quintet. Yeah. And it was so widespread that as we were watching, it seemed that it didn't occur to anyone in that group to try to hide it. However, Pat puts the blame squarely on one person. As she told Dalton

47:01Brady could not keep his mouth shut about what he called the vibe five. A name I didn't know existed until after the end of the game. He was telling people who were not in our alliance about the five person alliance on an 11 person tribe. Once we got an 11th person, it was even more imperative. No one can know about this. But no, they knew them talking about the five was literally straight from my own ally. And it's just like, which is fascinating. Yeah. Ouch. But this is this is what makes him so entertaining. Just because he is like. It yes, he is. I entertaining to watch, frustrating his hell to work with because it's funny that he was the one causing all these issues. Pat also commented in interviews about how she was a little confused why Brady vouched so hard for Carter and knew he was trustworthy because he lied to Brady about the advantage. Yeah. Yeah. That was a big head scratcher as we watched it and

48:03apparently to Pat as well. And I'm just beginning to think Killby was absolutely right when he compared Brady to a kid playing with the controller unplugged. I do think that Brady is kind of like this. He's he's the like shoot first asked questions later, kind of response to things like even with the or right. Chop chop first asked questions. Do we do we really do we really think that I chop off my phone? Well, right. But do we really think the advantage is going to be inside of the myth like the or like in the mid I mean, like come on. Like really? Let's let's just look at it for more than a second and and kind of work out what we think would make sense here. Oh, maybe it's under the rope. I don't know. Crazy talk. Crazy. So that I so I just feel like he's just the he's that kind of person where he's like, oh, I'm just going to do this thing and then you're like, oh wait, that wasn't right. But it's not going to matter because then he's going to be like,

49:08it's fine. I'm running the show anyway. So who cares? All right in the world. Yeah. Right. And now that was what he thought. You know, we even saw him sarcastically talking about Tianan how she didn't have the pull to make a move happen. He just he just thought the five had things on lockdown. And yes, five is a big number for an alliance. But here's a little math lesson for Brady. It's not a majority of 11. And so while Pat was not one spreading things around, she acknowledged that she did pick Brady as an ally. And yeah, you know, I also want to address something that Dalton Ross asked her because he wondered if the five did not do a good enough job of socializing with the other members of the tribe. Pat said they did socialize pretty intentionally. But that question wasn't quite the right one to think about because socializing wasn't the issue. You could be social with people. You could hang out with them. You could like them. But you

50:11can also realize that the person socializing with you is busy plotting your demise because they're in a tight strategic alliance that is separate from socializing. Right. And you're not strategizing with them. Right. And you know, Pat told Dalton that if she could change one thing about her game, she would have made more strategic alliances and spread out her loyalty a bit more. Yeah. That was the key because it just was so obvious. She was locked in with that five. Yeah. Sorry, Pat. Yeah. Now, I do also want to note that she said in interviews, she was trying to bring everyone in the tribe together because they felt there would be a swapsome. But she saw killby as an impediment. I have to turn that around. And again, note that the obvious quintet was the impediment, not killby. Why would people want to plan to work with you in a swap when they know

51:12your true intent is not to stay with them? Well, and I wonder if the idea here was we come with numbers because we've heard that argument before, right? Where if you swap and you have a better chance of swapping with people you're close with if you have five, right? Right. But then also if you do swap, you can say to whoever you've swapped with, by the way, I've got these people on lock over here too. So there are two more numbers for us if we end up working together. She was talking about bringing together all 11 of them. Yeah, that's that's that's too much. I'm sorry. That's too much because well, again, okay, let's say I end up on a swap tribe with Pat and jelly. Why would I want to work with them? I know if we make it to the merge together, they're not going to work with me. They weren't working with me before. Why would they suddenly change their minds now? Right. Yeah. Yeah.

52:18Mosheh had an idea. At least you're trying. Yes, yes. All right. Well, the third rule tells. Without any pants. We haven't even mentioned that yet. I mean, it's not really a strategic issue. We can talk about it in the next rule. Yeah. Being flexible. Being flexible. Playing without pants. Yes. I mean, she didn't have a choice. That was not her option to play without pants. It was, you know, just a bad decision to let her pants. No, those were some, those were some crazy pants too. You know, it's funny that we had this discussion pregame about pants and how everybody had all these crazy pants. I'm pretty sure we mentioned her pants too. And then her pants went missing. I mean, it's they're out floating in the ocean somewhere still to this day. Somebody, it's good. You know, it's going to happen. The next. They are. They are. Like, live or 53. It's going to show up and pants are going to wash up on the beach. And they're going to be like, what the hell are these? They're going to find the pants. Yeah.

53:22That was the story of the traveling pants. Yes. That would be very funny. They could form a sisterhood. Sorry. I jumped to pants. Yes. Let's go back to being flexible because it's pretty obvious that Rob was not once he decided that he was going. That was it. Even after he got a reprieve due to not knowing the rules, I had hoped last week that it would jolt him back into the game. But no, he had clearly made his decision and he was going to make it happen. Come hell or high water. And now he's continuing to act the same way, insisting that he didn't quit. He would never quit. It was all medical. And because of his family and wow, wow, wow, wow. None of it made sense. It still does not make sense. Like seriously, you're, if you're so afraid of infection, why would you even go out there? Even if he had watched a lot of the show, anyone who's watched a couple episodes knows you're going to get tiny boobers.

54:28If he had any flexibility, he would have accepted that possibility and thought about how to handle it before even applying. Yeah. For sure. And even pointed out that his wife is a nurse. So he's very aware of these things and how things can become infected. But yes, I would think that if that is truly one of your greatest concerns, you should probably try to go on big brother instead. This is not for you. This is not the cleanliness, most hygienic situation that you're going to find yourself in living on an island, wearing the same clothes, being dirty and gross, and being surrounded by bugs and things and creatures, you know, things like that. It's just not just paving and challenging. Where you get beat up and bang. Right. And get broken limbs and things. Yeah. Real concern. Yeah. Now Pat showed some good flexibility early when she told Jenna about being

55:32the target so she could try to fight for herself, even knowing that Devon and Jelly wanted Jenna out. But once Pat got locked in with that fivesome, it seemed to have gone away as far as we could tell. Again, we could only judge by what other players said. And Lewis seemed 100% certain. Those five were never going against each other and just wanted to control everything. Plus, I mentioned in rule one, how Pat said in her R.H.A.P. interview that Jelly and Devon were still hampering her ability to work with Jenna. So that lack of flexibility again meant she pulled back a bit, which like we said, would have probably contributed to Jenna not defending her and saying they should keep her. Yeah. It was almost like the cool kids table, right? You know, those five, they're like, you know, you can't wear a ponytail once a week and you can't wear sweatpants. Some mean girls, that's the mean girls. But yes, I do feel like there was, there was some circumstances

56:39there that that did not allow her to play the game she wanted to play because she was trying to stay in line with the other four, which is interesting because what did we see Brady doing? Brady's running around acting like he's hillbies number one, right? So he's still working the other players and making them think that he's with them, but she wasn't allowed to. So that's a little bit fascinating to me. Yes. And he's still there and she's not. Right. Right. So all right. Well, the fourth rule tells players not to let their emotions control them. In response to listener Mike's question last week, I remembered that this rule is often where we find the most problems for players and indeed that's the case. Rob because he had a big issue here. We of course saw last week. He was in an emotional tailspin after they lost the challenge. He was missing his wife and kids and so on.

57:42And we weren't the only ones to notice. As Alexis even said, he couldn't handle his emotions and sent him into a mental spiral. And Rob himself said a tribal council. This game makes you go nuts. Myself, I just go crazy in the head. No argument there. Once Rob's emotional breakdown began, he just couldn't stop. Like I said, it was a spiral. He tried to quit the game in the most complicated and not allowed way possible. And then when that didn't work, he moved on to other options. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, his entire game was centered on his emotions as opposed to any type of strategy or understanding of how to play survivor period. It was literally, how do I feel right now? And I'm going to tell you how I feel right now. I mean, the fact that he was yelling at people after the challenge and demanding to know why one person was blindfolded as opposed to another person. And I thought it was interesting when he was like talking about how

58:44big Eric was compared to Isla Lenea. She's not a small girl. Like she's strong and she's like tall and like, what is he talking about? And so it was really, I just needed to drag him. Which they weren't going to do anyway. No. So it's, I just feel like he, he would, it was just a reaction. Like his reactionary, right? Anything that was happening kind of around him, that's what he was going to react to as opposed to trying to work through it and have a conversation. It was just very accusatory and, and why would you do that and explain yourself to me? But he wasn't willing to listen to anyone explaining anything to him or explain what he was going to do or anything of the sort. It was Rob's way and that was that. Like the Eric thing, right? Where he was like, Eric's got to go. He's the worst. And then he was like, I'm going to save Eric and I'm going to sacrifice myself. What just happened? What just happened? That's just, that's just

59:46completely emotional. That's what that is. Because he was talking about another Rhode Island guy, right? It's another Rode. I'm going to save him. What is that based on? Literally, how you feel? And that's it. Right, right. Yeah. And you know, despite Jeff clearly showing in the episode that he and Dr. Barry thought Rob was full of crap. He was nicer to Rob in his interview with Dalton Ross. As he said, Rob looked and sounded emotionally exhausted, which can happen to the strongest of humans. Survivor humbles you very quickly and can get you in a variety of ways. Days four, five and six are often very tough for players. This is a threshold point that you have to get past. If you could find a way through the desire to give up, you almost always find that second win. Yep. Rob obviously could not find a way to get through his desire to give up. What was, what were days four, five and six like for you? Did you feel like quitting in days four, five and six? I think that's when we were being evacuated because the weather was so horrific and they thought

1:00:50we were going to die if we stayed out there. So yeah, there was a lot of stuff. Okay. See, Rob thought he was going to die too from his little boo boo. Yeah, that was crazy because I will say we had just constant days of rain. It did not stop. I mean, it was all day long, all night long. And I just remember thinking to myself, my God, I'm never going to be dry again. Like, there was no place you could go to not be rained on. And there was no place you could go to not be just cold and saturated and wet. And so, you know, that I would say that they were really crappy days. So it was kind of nice when we were like, oh, brought somewhere else. So we weren't getting right. But our shelter did get crushed by a tree. So that we weren't there anymore because that could have been really bad. So yeah. Mm-hmm. That would have been a valegraising for a meta-fact if someone had been, if, you know, someone had been in the shelter that was crushed by a tree.

1:01:52Yes, I would agree wholeheartedly with that. But, you know, those damn cuts on your feet. Maybe rough. Yeah. Cut. Cut. You know, you can get infection. Did you know that? Yeah. I mean, if you don't put a little dab of neosporanon, especially, you know, because so. All right, well, for Pat, I did not see any problems, you know, in terms of her emotions controlling her. Did you? No, I think she seemed very even keel. And I really think she worked through, like the, we talked about with Jenna, right? We're like, she wanted to work with Jenna, but she was utilizing the strategic component of the game as opposed to the emotional force where she was like, I really want to work with her. And maybe there was a strategic element to that. But yeah, I don't, I don't see any issue here at all where she was, she was really like working through the game mode side of herself as opposed to someone that she just feels like an emotional connection to.

1:02:58Yeah. Even though she did have a connection to jelly. Yeah. I mean, I think she seemed pretty solid, which I would expect from a Navy vet and federal prosecutor, you know, you can't let your emotions interfere in either of those jobs as you know better than I do for the latter. Mm-hmm. Yeah, 100%. Like you are very straightforward, regimented, and like you are looking at the facts and determining what's going to be the outcome with these particular facts as it applies to this over here. And so I think that's the way she was very analytical on the issues playing the game. Yeah. All right. Well, the fifth rule reminds players they need to pretend to be nice and play the social game. Now you've already talked about one topic with Rob with him not pretending to be nice for sure. So how do you think he did overall in this one? Well, he was terrible. I mean, because nothing he did made sense. I don't know who he wanted to align with. I don't know who he

1:04:00actually wanted to play the game with because of we saw again, I mentioned before the whole Eric thing where he was telling everybody Eric is the worst and Eric needs to go, but then he wants to sacrifice himself to save Eric. And then when he has an opportunity to quit the game, which is what he did, he then gives the idle to Carter that we didn't even know he had any type of relationship with. And he says it's because he thought Carter was on the bottom. So he thought he was going to like, that's what he was saying in his exit press anyway. So none of it made any sense. And so I don't think that he understood the necessity of that social capital that you create when you have those relationships and those bonds. He really was, I'm going to play this game completely by myself with with the way I want to do it thinking that somehow that was going to work. And yeah, don't not how you make it to the end. You don't make it to the end by yourself. You have to have people that are willing to fight for you and work with you. And I don't even

1:05:00know who he thought was working with him at that. Well, he did he did he was working with Carter and Anna. I mean, those were the three that were okay. That were caught off guard by this whole change in plan because everybody thought that those three were the ones switching the vote, you know, when they misheard the crab conversation. So yeah, I mean, but it also it didn't it didn't seem as as like I guess because of the Eric thing, that's the part that really throws me off so much like if if Carter and Anna really are the people that you're close with and those are the people that you're working with, he's not sacrificing himself for them. He you know, home for God's sakes. Yes, he could have, but he didn't, you know, I mean, so like so the mere fact that he was completely unaware of anything that was happening around him, I think speaks volumes and him not understanding the ramifications of his own actions to the people that he's allegedly playing this

1:06:00game with. You don't even know that the person you're supposed to be playing with is the target. You don't even know enough to want to try to save that person if Eric is not playing with you, why are you trying to save Eric? So it was all just very just a happy hazard and didn't make any sense. Yeah, no, it didn't. I mean, it and that speaks to both his strategic and for this rule, social game because yeah, you talked about how he was angrily lecturing people for no reason, multiple times. He thought he should be in charge of all decisions, even the ones that already happen. And the thing is there's no point in reliving the choices that were already made. Like do you think there's going to be another blindfold challenge? No, there's probably not going to be. So why get into such a tizzy about it and start arguing with people and then arguing with Eric about how much he weighs and then he even complained that they hadn't done well enough on the puzzle that they actually won that challenge. It's we just kept seeing do stuff like that. And

1:07:07and it just you know, it it plays into the whole social game like I know strategically, he didn't know what was going on. Maybe if he had actually gotten along with some of these people, he could have gotten somebody. Right. And that's that's where that issue really like, formulates, right? Where if you are completely disconnected from everyone in your tribe, you are then completely unaware of what's actually going on around you, which is why he had no idea the Anna was the target, which is why he had no idea what was happening in that particular tribal council. And I and that's because I mean, they showed that clip of him like sitting in the in the their little whatever it's called, you know, their homemade little um, the thing the tree fell on for me. I'm so sorry, my brain's broken right now. The shelter, thank you. I couldn't see the word in my head. But but like he was sitting there all by himself. And it was a very important time to be talking to people because they were about to go to tribal

1:08:11councils. So the fact that you're sitting there, just kind of mulling over your existence and feeling sorry for yourself, that really shows just how disconnected you are from those people around you. So and the other fact too that he didn't even talk to Anna and Carter again, if he was supposed to be so connected to them and playing with them about his crazy plan to try to vote himself out. Like how do you not go and have a conversation with those people even if you don't want to tell them you're thinking about voting yourself out, how about just say, God, I'm really having a hard a hard time here. Like I, I'm trying to figure out what to do. Try to get some like, so list from people are like comfort or some like reassurance that you're okay. And this is going to be fine and we're going to get through this together. But no, he was like, he was like a pity party for himself in the shelter. And so again, it's just that there was no social game being played there. He was really like a man on his own. And then all there's people that are kind of around me and I'll talk to them when I need to. And the mere fact that he didn't want to share with Eric

1:09:15his plan again, it was like he's, he thought if I speak, people will listen, period done and do as I say. But that asked me questions. Yeah. All right, I don't think we saw anything at all similar out of Pat any problems in this rule in terms of pretending to be nice and playing the social game. Did do you? If anything, she was too good. Right. I think that's, I think that's part of her problem is that she was, people looked at her and were like, that was why Mike wasn't the target. And she was because what she really is likable. And while look at her, she's got the ability to like she could charm people, she could connect with people. And that was almost like her Achilles heel, right? Where they're like, you know, this is, this is going to be the issue for her. She's too good at being sociable and too good at like being liked. And because that's just who she is, it appears. So yeah, I think if anything, this was her, it was a detriment to her to just be too likable and too nice. Yeah, yeah. All right, well, we go to the sixth rule, which warns against being too much of a threat.

1:10:20I think we can blow past Rob for this one because the only person he posed a threat to was himself. So sure, you were just talking about, you know, Pat being too likable, too nice. Was that part of why she was a threat? I would say yes. I think that's why she was the one targeted as opposed to Mike because again, people looked at her like if we swap, if we merge, whatever ends up happening, there were some real concerns about what she was going to be able to do relative to other people, kind of bringing them into her space as opposed to the space of the other six that were contemplating where they would fall within that five. And so I do think that not only is she a social threat. Mike, did you see the comments, apps? My gosh. I did not. Just like she is listen, that's also not where I thought you were going when you started to say, did you see this woman's a so and also I did not even though she wasn't wearing pants. I didn't see that.

1:11:21She is, I mean, you've already mentioned her military background. I mean, she is someone who is very fit, very strong, great in the challenges and willing to perform even when she has a very serious injury with the thing going on with her shoulder, not an issue for her. She's going to move forward and do what she's got to do. So I mean, she really was a huge threat in this game because she's got all of the things that you need to be successful in survivor, but it's also very hard to like, you got to keep that on the download a little bit, right? I mean, however strong you are, it's going to be very obvious by your physique, right? But her social game, I think, was really something that was shining through and people were seeing that or what it was. Yeah, yeah, I would say there were multiple layers here. A group of five as a whole was a massive threat to everyone else in the truck. Yes. If you let them win this vote, you put yourself in a very difficult situation

1:12:22going forward. They didn't know if there were the swaps or anything like that to shake things up. This is the open era or anything could happen. Yes, they were thinking they were swaps, but they could have left them this way. So they had to make decisions based on that presumption. And so you can't leave yourself in a situation where you're going to purposely put yourself in the minority. Right. You know, if that's what Carter and Lewis were discussing, yeah. Right. Exactly. So you, you know, that's the group thing. Now as far as who should go out of that group of five, you know, like you said, we heard Mike and Pat's names floated. Tinnon brought up that Mike is not is so not charming that he won't make any connection on the other tribe. If there's a swap, no one will want to work with him, which I just think is hilarious. Poor Mike sitting at home watching this going, what do you? And then she also thought Mike would be an easy target down the line because he's

1:13:30such a non entity to her. But Pat would give her puppy dog eyes to people on another tribe and use her charm and sweetness and could integrate into other groups. And as Tinnon said to me, that's a liability. And I think it's a very genuine concern to have because you can see how quickly she integrated herself with those other four. How quickly is she going to be able to do that with a new group? Should they end up merging or swapping or whatever's going to come next? Yeah. Disney plus Hulu will make your day every day. Here's how. Some days you want to laugh. New girl, some days a mystery. The all new Hulu original series, furious. Some days you want both and nobody has to know. And Saturday, ESPN College Game Day into ESPN College football. Make your day every day with Disney plus Hulu, 18 and older with the Disney plus Hulu bundle subscription. Access these

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1:15:36pack. It seems like within this other group, each of them like has some relationship to one or both of Devon and Brady. I mean, we know it'll be an on believed they were working with Brady. We saw that. Even told him we want you to be on the right side. Go with Pat. You know, but then of course, Egotistical Brady told us that she didn't have the pull to do that. Well, guess what Brady? She did the math, Brady. Yeah. Yeah. She got more Brody's than you. Yes. I mean, we've certainly seen before. If you can't get the generals or you don't want to for whatever reason, a lieutenant goes instead to weaken their overall position, which is certainly what happened here as their group was cut down to four overall. Yeah. Well, and I think too,

1:16:38there's an interesting thing about Devon that I'm curious if other people almost feel like he's trying too hard because if he's trying too hard, then maybe you're less inclined to focus your energy on him right now because she's more someone who I could see kind of sneaking through because she's not appearing to try too hard. Whereas Devon is clearly trying very hard. Oh, yes. Yes. Yeah. All right. Well, we could go to rule seven, which covers idols and advantages in game mechanics. And I suppose we could talk about Rob's failed attempt to quit last week due to his not understanding the rules in game mechanics. But we actually went into that quite a bit already in last week's podcast. But please. Yeah. Anyone who is planning to go on survivor in the future, you need to read all the rules. Mine and the shows. Yes. And that huge contract that they send

1:17:38to you that lays everything out for you that tells you what you can and can't do. Why would you do that? Why would you want to read that? Not just I'm not just giving the legal advice. So I'm not giving you legal advice. I'm just suggesting that perhaps it's a good idea. Yeah. But there was another rule that Rob had a problem with and you already brought this up earlier. He told Mike Bloom that when he gave his idol to Carter, it was quote, back on the boat. That's when the exchange happened off camera. So I didn't do production any favors with that one. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that breaking the rules again by doing it off camera. This guy has zero effing clue. So did you speak to what you know about this sort of situation since you actually do know the rules unlike him? Yeah. So I will say they they spend a very significant amount of time letting you know when you kind of can't talk with each other. And when you were on the boat, he just kind of put it in his hand and said, well, okay, right. But I will say that

1:18:44which is a loophole. You know that that's not what the rule means. But go ahead. No, that is not what it means. But when they're in the when you're in the boats, you're not just sitting in the boat all by yourself. We used to call them like one guy we call them tracker jacker because he was like our keeper and he would he would hover and watch us at every hit. That was his job. His job was to have eyes on us at all times to make sure that nobody did anything they weren't supposed to do. And that was on the boat. And when you got off of the boat and when you stood there waiting in line for them to tell you to start walking, you're not allowed to talk. You're not allowed to do anything. You can't interact with people. There was a lot of quiet time that I don't think people really understand when you're playing this game because they literally tell you you're not allowed to talk anymore. So you can't do anything. And there are people watching you. And that's why there are so many people involved in production because that's again their whole job is to just watch you all the time every second. And so the fact that he somehow missed that tracks me because it almost

1:19:50pisses you off when you're out there because you're like I just I can't I literally can't do anything. But it also becomes almost scary, right? Because you're like I don't know what I'm allowed to do. Like I remember asking Jeff and I might have mentioned this on the podcast before. Am I allowed to drink water during the tribal council? Because I had like my canteen with me and he was like yeah you can do it every want. That's fine. But you you are so locked into this mindset of what you can and cannot do which is why the season after hours when people started getting up during tribal council and talking I was like you can do that because you are not allowed to move seats like it was like this is your like they literally had a drawing like this is where you're sitting and you're like okay and like that's I'm glued to that spot right. But that's how production makes it all work and gets it all like set put together right. So I just I cannot fathom how he I mean he must have known so

1:20:55decided to do it anyway. But I don't know that we can say he must have known this I mean this doofus didn't know any other rules. He thought he could write his own name. I know I know and this is right there like that if you don't know the most basic rule how can we expect you to know any of the rules. He clearly didn't pay any attention whatsoever. Yeah I mean he had to have been he I mean there has to be something like an inability of of him must exist in some way because it's almost like you can't miss it because it's so apparent and it's so obvious of what they're like people were getting in trouble. I mean it was like it's that it's like that serious where they're like they're yelling at people or they're calling people out they're pointing things out that you're doing production makes it very clear like when you have crossed a line or almost crossed a line and and I think again they do that because they have to because Jeff said in one of our tribal councils

1:21:58after the cameras were off because he got upset with something someone did. He's like this is a game for a million dollars and you're not fucking with my game for a million dollars excuse my language but that was literally what Jeff said but it's true right I mean like if you really think about it that's a huge amount of money that someone is going to walk away with and the last thing that production wants is anybody questioning their integrity questioning how they do things questioning how things were done and an idol is a huge component of this game huge it can literally make or break someone's game moving forward it could cause someone to even potentially get to the end and maybe win right if they have an idol so the fact that you would utilize a moment that's not a game moment it's an out of game moment to then give card or something as much as I love card or because it's my winner pick that could affect the game moving forward it's just kind of it's just crappy for the season because nobody saw it happen nobody knows why it happened it's we have to

1:23:03kind of take him for what he said we can't believe half of what he said anyway so all of it is really just it's very frustrating it's very frustrating as a player having gone through that to know what production goes through to make this game possible that he would just kind of be yeah whatever I'm going to do what I want anyway right yeah yeah I mean that his whole stick is doing whatever he wants anyway yeah now someone asked me why production allowed it if it was against the rules like why didn't they take it my guest is they didn't want to penalize Carter because of Rob screwing up you know I mean Rob likely told them about it afterwards or Carter did so they confirmed it that you know Carter didn't just like steal it out of his bag or anything but what were they going to do at that point like okay they could have yelled at Rob what good would that have done Rob was in the midst of quitting at that point right yeah no

1:24:06and that's probably a very valid point as to why they didn't because I do think again there are certain things you can control and things that you can't even though you tell people that not a lot of talk that doesn't mean they can't look at each other it doesn't mean they can't make eyes at each other it doesn't mean they can't kind of gesture over towards somebody and so those things can certainly happen which is why production is watching them at all times but something that like an idol yes I think it would be it would be very unfair to the Carter to be penalized for someone else acting outside of the rules of the game and taking it away from him yeah all right for Pat we talked earlier about how jelly told her about the idol she found but nothing came of that other than you know bonding them more closely together it's not like they made a plan to use it now she did say in at least one interview I saw that if Brady had told them about his conversation with Kilby and Tanan where they said Pat was the target jelly might have used the idol on her yes of course

1:25:08Brady didn't tell them because he was so sure of himself so once again Brady causes more problems for poor Pat. Come on Brady yeah like Brady is again fascinating just fascinating where is his true loyalty is the pat or is it to kill be hmm I think it's what did they think they had did they think they had Lewis is that what it was in Carter did they believe that? they thought they had at least Carter because Brady vouched for him remember Brady said oh I trust him I trust him oh yes that's true that's true mm-hmm okay so now other than that I can't think of anything else for her in this role can you oh I don't think so okay we can move on to appendix A which discusses players keeping their end goals in mind when voting and we talk about voting out the week then the strong then the week then the strong nothing to talk about here for Rob since his end goals were getting out of there so he met them congratulations.

1:26:09For the other tribe clearly the outsiders group took out a strong contender in Pat now it's a little early under normal circumstances to switch to this but they really didn't have a choice it had to be done now which circles back to them you know keeping those end goals in mind because they knew that if they wanted to get to the end they had to break up that five Lewis and Carter discussed it and saw that Devon was running the show but they weren't part of his tight five meaning they had this end game problem sitting in front of them meanwhile both also said that the other four were not as locked in with one another is the five so those two would have more opportunities with them to kind of shift things around they were not just numbers six and seven on a list they were you know at least more or less equals among this group it could even take the lead potentially.

1:27:12Yeah I love that we're seeing this type of calculation being done because we've seen it so many times where there's a core strong group that continues to just kind of move their way through the game and there are the outliers who don't try to necessarily take down that group I think part of the issue might be related to the small size tribes that we've seen it changes it greatly when you have more people to utilize and to actually right it's it's kind of insane right we're like wow we have 11 players to play with instead of only six or five uh yeah so I think I think that's it's it's really nice to see this type of of gameplay happening because the numbers are so much more expansive yeah don't get used to it all right uh we'll get to that in a bit uh is about time wrap things up for Rob and Pat so what are your final thoughts on them Rob you don't deserve my final thoughts okay I know that you're gonna get a lot from David Bloomberg but as someone who did play

1:28:17this game and someone who did actually have an infection that could have actually taken her out of the game uh I have very little respect for what you did and how you treated this game someone who glove survivor and who was still to this day very grateful I had an opportunity to play and I wouldn't have allowed myself any any semblance of quitting in any way shape or form as I indicated at the beginning of this podcast I thought I was gonna go blind that would have been terrible but like listen I'm here to fight and win at million dollars and that's what it boiled down to for me so sorry Rob I I'm gonna be real with you and that's my real feelings no that's my real feelings towards it as for Pat gosh another prosecutor although a federal prosecutor uh nothing wrong with that very impressive for sure I was very intrigued by Pat and I was super like excited to see how she was

1:29:19going to play this game because being in the attorney is always a little bit as you know scary because people sometimes make some terminations about attorneys it does appear that somebody called her out on it and we're like called her like oh you're in a attorney well she said something yeah she talked about going to a group called she said lambda which is a lgbtq plus legal association or something like that yeah yeah yeah so she so she mentioned this and then someone was like oh wait a second but it doesn't appear to have have hurt her in any way but I so I was I was really excited just to see what she was gonna bring to the game because I do think as I indicated she was kind of that like triple threat that we that we rarely see where you have someone who has the social ability has the strategic ability and the strength to actually get through this game and to fight through an infection and not care about it thank you Pat for being that way

1:30:20it's such a rather fresh air when you're opposite someone like Rob but yeah so it's just unfortunate that Pat found herself in a circumstance that you would think would be a really great one on survivor like wow I have four other people who are in my corner and her playing the game with me but what she didn't plan for was that some people within that group were playing for themselves which is what I think we saw Brady doing because Brady was he was playing with the other people right he was he was testing the waters over there to see what was going on and she wasn't allowed to do that as we talked about where she wanted to with Jenna and was unfortunately nah that was tapped down a little bit so she wasn't allowed to so it's too bad that she wasn't able to flourish as much as I was hoping she would I do think that unfortunately that group became her demise instead of giving her an ability to really like control things in the game because she limited herself to those five or

1:31:20to the four I guess and she being the fifth so overall Pat sorry to see you go I was very excited to watch play the game I hope your pants do arrive somewhere I maybe you'll get some I'm hoping people are sending you pants that would be really lovely if like all this and they're like hey you wanted to represent a small designer on the island here's some more pants for you that would be lovely so people send Pat pants so she doesn't have to be pantless Pat anymore so those are my thoughts on Pat I've heard of a go fun to me I've never heard of a go pant me I've oh my god there's such a good phrase go pant Pat I love it it's a good point all right well I mentioned earlier that Rob said in the voting booth sometimes the greatest players have made a sacrifice for the better good again no they definitely have not because if you're doing that by definition you're not a great player and there is nobody in this entire survivor universe who would believe that Rob himself is a great player or even a

1:32:26good player or for that matter even a player because Rob came up with excuses to make it look like he wasn't quitting when he very clearly was we found out in Pat's interview with our with Dalton Ross and R.H.A.P something that you've mentioned you've referenced this already but go into the details she rug burned her back in the first challenge it got actually infected and then when she had a jacket on and took it off she ripped skin off of it did we hear her complain and we're trying to quit no instead she was so mad about being voted out that when she came up to Jeff she slammed her torch down but Rob he had a sad and tried to snuff his own torch I remember that Rob stood out to me in his pregame press because he said he'd never been in the wilderness you don't say but felt being a gate agent prepared him for a survivor now I made fun

1:33:28of that comparison at the time oh that's great yes boy oh boy was I right he was completely unprepared for any of this oh my god as I said earlier if he was so scared of getting even the most minor cut he never should have applied to play and look that I'm sure there will be some people who believe I've been too hard on Rob but everything I've said has been objectively true I may have said it in a louder voice perhaps but it's been objectively true and if Rob had come out in his interviews and taken the blame admitted what actually happened been a little tiny bit accepting of reality showing a little bit of remorse for it happening or even if not remorse even if he wasn't sorry it happened just acknowledged that it happened I would have cut him some slack but he did the opposite I mentioned earlier he's like a politician who gets caught in a lie or a compromising situation just doubles and triples down rather than admitting what the video evidence

1:34:30clearly showed he even had the nerve to tell Dalton Ross I don't feel like I quit survivor yeah I don't care what you feel you did quit survivor and it was incredibly blatant and now you're embarrassed and trying to pretend otherwise go screw that Rob even tried to puff himself up by saying in many of his interviews that he's become a reality TV villain and he seems happy with that and he claimed to Mike Bloom I felt like I was the main character in the game but no again to both Rob you're not even a villain you're certainly not a main character you're just a quitter you're barely a side character you will hopefully be forgotten in the dustbin of survivor history you are a footnote and I that is with pun intended Pat had the unfortunate situation of getting voted out in the same episode as Rob quit again I'm sorry Pat that you had to be kind of you know a party to all of

1:35:33this at the same time even though it had nothing to do with you and you know because yes we spent a lot of time talking about Rob and also because of how much time was spent on the show for you know showing all of the crap Rob was pulling meaning we probably got to see less of her story and how things were happening from her point of view because they had to show Rob yeah seem to be true yeah she seemed to be in a solid position in her tribe and Alliance of five is nothing to be sneezed at even with 11 people it's not quite the majority but you'd think certainly you could pull in one more person right no because everyone else even the two new guys fully knew how tight that quintet was while she was trying to rally everyone to work together in case of a swap the others were more worried about what was happening in the here and now and perhaps even the possibility that there would not be a swap just a steamroll and they certainly didn't want that heck even in the

1:36:37case of a swap again what if one of them ended up on a tribe with a couple from that Alliance they knew it would not end up being good for them so either way they had to do something to at least reduce that Alliance's numbers when they looked at the possible options Devon and Brady seem to be off the table plus why would you bother with them now considering Devon's radical honesty and kill these assessment of Brady Pat was the most threatening player left there and all her talk of a potential swap may have planted in the others minds how easily she could have switched sides Rob and Pat interesting Rob and Pat left for very different reasons Rob whined about a quote tiny cut and was upset he couldn't vote himself out so he moped around made up a story and quit Pat cut it out in injury we really didn't even see on the show and was angry to be blindsided and that is why Rob and Pat lost terrible sorry Pat had to be dragged in with that one yes yes

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1:39:51new blood episode five on Friday and I'll hop onto a celebrity traders UK podcast next week as well excellent look at you yes all right so predictions next time um riveswap with 17 players so this was likely intended to be three tribes of six but now it'll be six and five you know here we were talking about how much we were enjoying all the really things hmm Bloomberg David really is it gonna be three do we know this I mean we know there are three buff callers so yes oh god I hate my life right now I loved the large tribes I know I know all right well I'm gonna make my prediction then okay go for it you're not gonna like it

1:40:55I don't I'm gonna say wrong so I'll like it just fine but go ahead oh okay so I'm gonna say kill me and I'm gonna say kill me because here's what's happening we've seen a lot of devin throwing kill be under the bus we've seen a lot of devin period I don't think devin is long for this game but I still think he's got a likable characteristic about him that people are gonna let him stick around because of his whole like they'll just be true it's falling on the tide what's going on right he hasn't been on the right side of the boat yet so but he told everybody on the other tribe how much of a snake your little killby winner pick is and so there might be some people who are feeling a little sus about killby and if they end up on a tribe with him and he's not with many people from his group which we know is not that tight and not that close I feel like he's gonna be in a tough spot so that's my prediction well which won't matter because I'll be

1:41:56wrong because I'm always wrong about them so you'll be fine I mean we do know that Eric and killby will be together we saw that in the preview okay I'm calling that the y-blank lost the lion I think it'll be fun um orian jelly okay are going to be back together um maybe they'll talk more about lasagna which is definitely lasagna you know what I mean um mike and maggy are so many layers in the lasagna oh yes lots of layers um mike and maggy that's a layer together and we hear him saying he's trying to turn on the charm while she appears to make a face in response to that and based on what we heard about mike's charm level in this past episode I have doubts it'll be successful so I am not really worried about my winner pick killby I think he will be fine okay he has Eric if Eric has any of his people there I you know

1:43:00killby has any of his I think yeah but does Eric really have people I mean he thinks he does but that's the problem he thinks he does um I mean people too people reach people reached out to him so you know and and brought him in now are they super tight probably not and is he still with those same people far we don't know far as we know they are you know they were all they were all anti-carter and rob so um we'll we'll have to see no but with the swap we don't know who's gonna end up with swap this one you mean literally with not yes that literally literally in the same yes literally in the same tribe I think it's a good chance that there's at least one or two of them there I mean didn't it was it was six other people like literally every other person left on the tribe was in that group that voted out Anna now or he did not technically

1:44:06vote right he knew about it and he was okay with but here's the other thing too though and not that I want to rain on your parade or anything but it's not that they necessarily liked I mean I got him though um it's not like they necessarily wanted to work with Eric they were utilizing Eric for that vote because they were like well we know that we can get Eric on our side on this particular vote so I don't it's a different type of loyalty what it's not about like based on a trust relationship it's more like a need base like what we need him right now he's a number so he can use him yeah so I don't know it'll be interesting to see how that shakes out I mean who knows maybe maybe what did they refer to themselves though they gave themselves a name didn't they kill me and Eric I don't remember I gave them and I know but they gave themselves a name and it was weird but I don't remember what it was I don't have to go back and look yeah like they did all right so we don't have much to go on since we got that little shot of Mike and he was mentioned this week

1:45:09I know it's going against uh Hubecki's law to say well because we saw one person uh oh but it's literally other way it's just randomly picking I think Mike will be the next one voted out all right okay I mean in plus he works for the Yankees so that's another reason so money ball money ball guy yeah and uh how do the Yankees do and right about now I have no idea once the Cubs were knocked out I stopped paying attention I'm mildly paying attention to the white socks but other than that I'm not at all paying attention there's something they're doing too hot so I'm just I don't know much about them but oh they did have a home run take it away because of a fan I know that I saw yes that's insane but it happens I guess yeah that fan is going to be ostracized almost like Rob maybe his foot hurt too all right well as we wrap up I want to encourage people to check out the RHAP patron program at robhyswebsite.com slash patron you can get access to

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