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And whether TV depictions of agency era ladies in their Lacey underwear are truly accurate. Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to Dirty Rush, the truth about sorority life. With your host me, Gia Judai, Davey Kent and Jennifer Fessler. Welcome back to another episode of Dirty Rush. I'm Davey Kent joined by Joan today and we are going to be talking about girls who lived behind the scenes during recruitment. Also called the basement girls. Joan had you heard about this before? No, and I'm really intrigued because it sounds like this clandestine thing that's happening in the basement of this room. We did not have that, but I have to say I was an authority in the 80s and we really didn't even have social media at all. And we also have access to laptops. We worked on, it was a dialogue mode on men.
There just would be no way to be able to get information. It sounds like that's what they're doing that we just didn't know the same capacity. So how about you? Did you have this? I remember I didn't know that they were ever called basement girls, but I remember we had like in alpha fee when I was there. There was like an upstairs living room and I remember girls would be like back there during recruitment and they'd be like taking everyone's score sheets and like ranking them. We did everything with like paper. I think because they never wanted like the rankings to be found. We didn't have computers, so we waited it by paper. Yeah, in the olden days. But I think ours was like a sorority chair under recruitment that did the background stuff and like a few girls, but I don't really fully remember. So I'm excited to see what these girls say. The new iteration, I mean, you're so young, I'm surprised that you didn't like have like this wasn't such a big thing that you didn't know about it.
I think about this, I'm like, this sounds like a good gig. Like I would want to be a basement girl not having to go like small talk for like five days in a row with a bunch of strangers and not dress up and not have to dress up my sweatpants on your back. Yeah, I'm like, I feel like I need to ask my like girlfriends because I don't fully remember. Yeah, because I was always like front like we were always like interviewer, not interviewing well basically. Yeah, just like we know all the girls and stuff, but then we would rank them on sheet. So I'm sure we did too. I remember girls being like up in like the upstairs area. So I'm sure it was that like doing all the recording of all that stuff. So I mean like bottom line is it's a little bit of like kind of a thankless job being up there because you're taking everybody scores and you're adding and you know, you know, entering into like the system or whatever. Yeah, on the other side, whenever this is putting on like their cute dresses and all their makeup and having to go make small talk for five hours, you get to hang out in the room with your body. Yeah, you jump food.
Very true. I think that's what all these girls say. Me too. I think our first one is from UCLA. So this should be good. Oh, yes. Yeah. So what I think is. Hi. Hi. Thanks for coming on today. Yeah. Thanks for having me. We're excited to hear about what this whole basement girl thing is. So I grew up in, I was an Astroity in the 80s. I'm way old. I'm really old. And we didn't have these. So could you maybe give us like a quick rundown on what a basement girl is and do they call them basement girls at your Astroity? Um, I was called backroom. Backroom. Yeah. And so I did it my junior year. Okay. At school, a lot of girls went abroad. And I think rush on the backside is, it can be really overwhelming all the, all the ways that like, it's a lot of hours and you come off work week. And so a lot of my close friends were very involved on the recruitment team.
So I wanted to help, but I wasn't sure if I was up for being a recruiter. So I offer to do what's called back room, which I think for some sororities, they put girls in backroom who maybe they don't want. Like, out of the way. But I basically was like the only way I'm going to, you know, the like, I would love to help in any way that I can. But I just, it takes a lot of energy to go and recruit all day long. Oh, 100%. So did you like being in the backroom then? Um, there were, I was one of maybe five girls down there. Okay. So we had a good flow and camaraderie. And I really liked when people would come down in between rounds. I was kind of like a pep talker for the girls that were recruiting. So I felt like I was able to provide good vibes for our girls, which I was in my opinion too.
Oh, definitely. So what are the responsibilities? So you're in this back room. What is that? Well, they're all out there doing this recruiting. What do you guys do in the back room? Yeah. So basically we handled all some sororities do their post round reporting on an app. That's not something we did. We did everything still classic pen and paper. So just marking how the conversation went. What you guys talked about. So then you could pair them up with like another girl that they might share something more in common with. We would make sure that like every bump group had a little box. Everyone had their right box. And then after the round was over and the girls were lining up for the following round. We would make sure everyone had handed things to us that got up to our advisors and the recruitment team. And then before rounds, resorting like in very old-fashioned, giant filing boxes kind of thing.
It was I felt like a rush secretary. Yeah. Yeah, it sounds like an. Yeah, I feel like that would be kind of fun because like you got to see like everyone scores and stuff. Yeah, well, and they kind of I was. I think the oldest one doing it. We had a few sophomores who wanted to do it. But yeah, they were like back room isn't supposed to be looking at the numbers or whatever. And I don't know. We're also not seeing these people face to face. So it wasn't like, ooh, I can see what this person who I know. And I'm also from Alex Dicks. There weren't really girls coming through who I was. You knew. Yeah, so I didn't have much skin in the game when it came to seeing how people I knew were scored. But how far would you see everyone's scores and notes throughout the round? Which, you know, maybe would have been more interesting, like I said. Yeah. Would you guys ever look up girls like on social media in the back room? Like after they like say it was like round one and recruitment. And then they would like bring the scores back.
And then would you like look up people's names? I think we I would only see because there were so many girls per round. Yeah. Because it was a big state school. Like I went to UCLA. Okay. Only girls were like super excited. They're like, this is going to be my future little look. And they would be showing me. They already had her Instagram. Okay. You looking like, my gosh, she's so cute. But no, I didn't there was honestly so much chaos down there because it was technically the basement. So we were like little basement rats for like 10 hours. And yeah, we we had people excited about others. But again, I didn't have the face to face connection, which also made it weird because on bid day, everyone's excited to have their future littles and yeah, everyone's home. And then you're kind of meeting all these girls for the first time. Oh, no one knows who I am. Yeah, not a single one. Do you feel like like did you feel like a little detached when it came to like so did you not vote on girls?
So when you came to like we might sort of do any sort of like collective voting or debrief. I know like, oh, it doesn't exist. Or people can offer their opinion if they had experience with them before college. But that wasn't how it was for us. I think they tried to be pretty objective and then final decisions were just made by our advisors and the recruitment team. I'm just okay. I'm so surprised by this. So clearly, I like I said I'm old and we voted on everybody. So we had this point system like you're talking about when we did notes. And that kind of got sorted. But when we came down to our final. So I think like one of the years when we had pledges like we I think we were accepting like 25 girls or something like that. We voted and let's say we had like you know 100 and some that preference us. We would go down in the basement. We had like a full-on meeting that lasted like 10 hours. Like every one everybody was so long and we would talk about every single one.
And then we had to do like one of those closed-eyed votes. We had to put like a mask on and then you'd raise your hand a yes or no for the people. Honestly, the things to your eyes were closed though because imagine if a girl got in and being like, oh you almost didn't get it. Well, we didn't have like open discourse over anyone. It was all handled. So within bid day would yeah bid day would come around and we would see the list because we'd be making the signs that they'd run home to. And girls would be devastated. They'd be like, that was my little that was my rush crush and what happened. So the recruitment team would just be like, we can't tell you. And there was really no that it was either they were on our list or they weren't. So the recruitment team had a lot of power. Yeah, mostly seniors or were they from all levels of authority? For us, it was two advisors and then a director of formal recruitment and an assistant director of formal recruitment and the president.
So kind of three girls and two advisors kind of making these big decisions. So the advisors are alums. Yes, okay. Yeah. Huh. This is so different. Daisy, is that how it was at your school? Yeah, I think so. I'm like trying to like remember that. So crazy and sounds like our night that we were voting on everybody. Everybody, like we all go upstairs and put on like our most comfortable clothes and we'd have like snacks. And in those days, we drank tab, which was the diet that we all drank, which was like a can of chemicals. And because we had to be up all night, literally it was like an all night thing. Yeah, it's such a better method. You guys have really perfected this. The decorating and the the matric everything for bid day has gotten so large. Now like we all have all of us probably five or six hours after prepped a decorating for bid day and then also carried into the morning. So a lot of our time after prepped would go straight to decorating for bid day.
Yeah. So gesture committee was like hold up and figuring out. Yeah. Okay, wow, that's so interesting. If someone had like a concern about like a PNM or like or someone said something, would that go to the basement girls then? No, it would go to the recruitment team and this did happen with one of my friends who loved this girl. Yeah. And someone brought it straight to the recruitment team. We were kind of intermediaries if someone had an awkward conversation or something that didn't go over very well. We in between rounds while people were recruiting would take that information to the recruitment team. But they kind of want to just streamline like any previous knowledge through them and that got handled pretty seriously. Well, I mean, the fact that there's a recruitment chain like we had no way of doing that. So if you had like some knowledge like if somebody came through rush and you knew something about that person like something they did in high school or whatever.
Yeah. You just had to go go go you put it in your notes and then you had to go like tell everybody you do go like say okay. Like I just want to tell you about her like I really like her so much for this reason or like we don't want this one. Like please like vote with me. Like you had to like repeat it. I was like you can't be you did. Yeah, no. And not that they I think took every concern to heart. I think it was situation dependent. Yeah. But yeah, I think they were trying to prevent as much as possible breach of information because kind of like you were saying if this girl were to get in. And then there was someone going around trying to prevent them from getting in that could create tension. And yeah, it's also like interesting everything that goes into recruitment. I remember like after being a freshman and when I was a sophomore on like the other side of it, I was like, well this is like pretty intense. I was overwhelmed and living your living in the house at least for us sophomore year.
Um, you see, like does this thing where you live for six weeks over the summer on campus. And so you're making friends with girls across the row. And then it suddenly gets like very competitive. Yeah. We're seeing all the metrics behind how you were recruited. You're seeing it through a completely different lens. Yeah. Yeah, I can definitely be overwhelming the first time. And then like our bigs were abroad so we didn't have them and. Yeah. It was great to also see the side of back room that was more lax, but I will say the only downside was then when bid day came around. And you don't really know anyone. You don't know any. Yeah. Hey. So did you end up with no little because you hadn't really kind of pulled one in. I had a little from my sophomore year. Okay. So you had a junior year, right? Yeah. Yeah. And then I, um, it was important to me to know my, my grand little.
Um, so we would do things like the three of us all together. Great. That way my big came back from a broad cause she, or I guess she was around two because she would have been a senior. Uh, we were all like a cute little fam and everything. Yeah. Yeah. My little basically new during rush. Who she had met and I was so happy to hear about her for the back room. I'm like, she seems great. But. Yeah. All the things. That's awesome. Well, thank you so much for coming on. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you so much for coming on. So I'm opening. Thank you. Yeah. Of course. This message is brought to you by Ralph's. If you're listening to this podcast, chances are you like to make the most of your time. That kind of thinking can go a long way at home too. So when you're thinking about dinner earlier in the day, Ralph's makes it easy to plan ahead with fresh ingredients and simple meal ideas that come together without extra effort later.
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Our show is contagious. It's a little bit addictive. It's, uh, in the most positive of ways. It has a good amount of range from smart to silly and it's got a journalistic backbone. Monday through Friday I show up and talk about sports. Listen to the Dan Lebertar Show on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcast or wherever it is that you get your podcasts. It's football season and Vizio Mini LED TVs are here to turn your living room into the front row of the stadium. Watch every play come to life and breathtaking realism on a 55-inch or 65-inch Mini LED TV. Plus, crank your favorite game day tunes on the iHeartRadio app. Built right into your Vizio TV. Big screens, big picture and a totally immersive experience. Find rollback deals at Walmart today. On Vizio 55-inch and 65-inch Mini LED TVs. Now just 248 and 358. What if I told you that most of history's underwear wasn't remotely close to the underwear you're wearing right now? Hi, I'm Greg Jenner, host of your Dead To Me podcast and we're back with a brand new season.
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I mean, London would be great. Yeah. Everyone speaks English too. Exactly. There's no language barrier, thankfully. Yeah. I guess it's harder to get to other countries from there other than that you have the high speed train. But flights aren't too bad. I've spoken to them already. If you both come in advance, it's fine. Yeah, people just hop around Europe. It's no video. That's so fun. So what year are you in school then? So I'm going to be a senior. Or exactly the same as senior. Okay, fine. Yeah. That's so exciting. Have you been in this for already all four years? I was a COB. My freshman year in the spring. Okay. Well, technically like three and a half against. That's so fun. And were you, did they call it like a basement girl at your school during rush? Like if you were in the back room or in the basement, like kind of seen? We called it back room because I guess we didn't really have a basement.
Yeah. And so you were in the back room. How many girls were in the back room given you know any, any recruitment year? I think in total it was around 15, but you kind of were in shifts. So at each time and probably be like maybe five to six girls all working depending on the shift. And the late night shifts had everyone there, but during the daytime, during rounds, it was usually like five to six girls. So when you weren't there, did you have to actually go out and recruit? No, I got to lay in bed the whole time. Oh, it was great. That's so nice. Okay. Your sororities have been doing it right because no one in the sweet doctor who has that had that. No, really. No. Yeah. And I lived in twos. So it was so easy to just like hop into my bed in between like my shifts. It was awesome. Did a lot of girls want to do the back room at your school then? No. I mean, a lot of girls would say they'd want to, but then wouldn't actually like volunteer for it. Got it.
I didn't really have none of my friends did back room with me. I was a lot of seniors. I did it my junior year and most of the other girls kind of seniors because I guess they're just kind of hard of attending at that point. I'm making small talk. Yeah. Exactly. And they don't have as much skin in the game. I mean, because they're not going to be actually in the house with the girls. So it's actually. They're not going to have an idea of the seniors to do that. Yeah. Did you have a big summer commitment with your like, you know, with that position or. From someone we all had to go through every single PNM and we had 2000 girls rushing. So divide 15 of us. We had to essentially like fill out like we had to find all of their Instagrams put this in this big like. Excel sheet with their Instagram and then go through their little profile and. Like see if they've had sports and whatever. Yeah. So that took a very long time because 2000 divided by 15 is a lot of people. So I did procrastinate, but I finished it all with them like two weeks towards the end.
Yeah. So is there anything that you found like during your investigations like in their in on their Instagram or how whatever else you did to get information about them. Anything that you ever found that you're like, okay, this girl's not going to be for us just based on. What you the work you did over the summer. I mean, GPA and because it was basically like a point system like say if someone had a leadership position they'd get two points. But if they were just a member of the club, they get one point. Right. So kind of at the end of that tallying. If they had a lower score that kind of meant like they were a little rocky. They would be able to slip through of say they were really good speaker and like had other great attributes. So it's a tribute to the met them, but kind of that just scoring system from just the PNM profile did kind of have a bit of a sway during them. Okay, because you have to we throw a lot of people so you like you almost have to have things that are like this. This is like our cutoff like you like GPA or something just to we threw some people. And obviously there's so many girls that were like tens across the board.
You're having all of these and then you have to kind of narrow down like which of these like girls would be perfect for us. Like it's kind of like a hard decision at the end of the day too. And was your back room where they like the same as the like recruitment people and recruitment chairs or who made all of like the final decisions kind of honestly that was a bit of a mystery to me. I think it really went into the recruitment team like. Okay, forgot who exactly did it, but like the president and then like VP recruitment and then our chapter advisor. Okay, back room didn't have a say in it like we would just like fit in our computers and like log all the numbers and all the ratings and then ship that off to somewhere. We didn't really somebody else did it. So you the work that you did over the summer that huge job of reading through 2000 people. You just kind of gave them the preliminary points like leadership position GPA, whatever else you use put that in there. That was just data and then that got shipped off to other people based on also conversations they had during during rush.
Okay, great. It's like a job that has a lot of responsibility. I wonder though, like you saw somebody that you knew when you were doing your part of the point system and you thought, oh gosh, they're really, really good. Would you ever like maybe up that point a little bit like, oh, they were in a club. Let's just give them the leadership in the club. Like give them a two instead of a one. I personally didn't do that, but I'm sure there definitely were some girls and I was also really good. Because we had we I know a lot of sororities now use an app for a crew meant, but we like to do it the old fashioned way and we still have massive filing cabinets and. Manila folders me have to do that and like sometimes if I did see one I was kind of like, ooh, like I have the power to like take this out or like leave them, you know, that did cost my mind. I never actually did it, but you could also obviously put in like a bit of a word like say if someone like if it was the opposite and someone say like, heard bad things about a P and M from high school or something like.
Yeah, you'd also type that in the notes on the doc and say like, oh, they. By the way, we did have some problems with that this path or well, year I recruited to okay, like what kind of problems. Um, just one of the P and M's at the very end of recruitment someone came up about something they did that was like pretty beyond bad. So then it was like this whole thing of like oh my gosh, they're way at the end like do we drop them do we leave them like they've been perfect with us, but yeah, what did you guys end up doing? I think she ended up getting dropped. Yeah, but I do think she made it to bid day and then got dropped after bid day because I think they found out like after prepped around happened. Oh, there was like a super late thing we found out about and then she did bid day and then the second bid day started. She was on probation and it was just like back and forth with her getting like going to the risk share and all that. Yeah, yeah, she showed her colors eventually.
Yeah, wow. Well, thank you so much for coming on. This was awesome. And I hope you have the best time in London. I have so much fun. I hope you see Harry and Megan and the kids and take a picture of the kids if you see them please. I'm sorry for them. Well, they have been published any pictures of their faces. So if you see them, you need to get it. It's not like a TMZ, I think. Okay. I see you later. So much fun. Thanks for tuning in to Dirty Rush. We have more coming on the next episode about basement girls. So tune in and make sure you listen to the next episode. This message is brought to you by Ralph's. If you're into entertainment podcasts, you know it's all about the details that pull you in and keep you engaged.
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