Throwback Thursdays: Bernice Worden, Ed Gein’s Final Victim Pt. 2

0:00Hi everyone, it's Vanessa Richardson. Real quick before today's episode, I want to tell you about a show I host with forensic psychologist Dr. Tristan Engels. It's called serial killers and murderous minds. Every Monday and Thursday, we take you deep into the psychology of the most chilling murderers and uncover what drives them to kill. Follow serial killers and murderous minds, available wherever you listen to podcasts. This is Crime House. The body in the farmhouse was just the beginning. Behind the door of Ed Geens isolated home, investigators found something that defied comprehension. Now, the question shifts from what happened to Bernie's warden to who and what was Ed Geen. The answer is darker than Plainfield could have imagined. Welcome to Crime House 24-7.

1:02I'm Vanessa Richardson. Twice a day every day, we bring you the best, most timely and gripping cases from across the entire Crime House network, all in one place, right here. And every Thursday is throwback Thursdays, where we reopen a chilling case from before the age of DNA. A crime that's haunted us for generations. This week we're reopening the case of Bernie's warden and the crimes of Ed Geen. But this case still echoes because Ed Geens' crimes didn't just end with a verdict. Geen died in a state psychiatric facility in 1984, but debates over the handling of his case, the fate of his farmhouse, and the victims whose families never got full answers, have resurfaced as Wisconsin marks nearly seven decades since the discovery that changed true crime history. Researchers and historians are revisiting the evidence. And the question of how many victims Geen may actually have had remains open. This community exists because of listeners like you.

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5:05vanished. The search for 58 year old Bernice had barely got started when her son Frank suspected that a local handyman named Ed Geen may have been involved. Apparently he was obsessed with Bernice. Two officers quickly tracked Geen down and he was taken to the station for questioning. Meanwhile Sheriff Archley and another lawman made her way to Geen's isolated farmhouse. Inside, they discovered one of the most shocking things they had ever seen. Bernice Warden's body, hanging from the ceiling, butchered like a deer carcass. Shly, he couldn't believe his eyes. He couldn't fathom how someone could do this to another person. Everyone knew Ed Geen was the town oddball, but it seemed unfathomable that he or anyone could be capable of such savagery.

6:07He left him wondering who was Ed Geen really. Like Bernice, Ed Geen was a fixture around Plainfield and also like Bernice, he wasn't originally from the area. Born on August 27th, 1906, Ed originally hailed from LaCrosse, Wisconsin. He was the second child of George and Augusta Geen and had a brother Henry, who was five years older. George and Augusta Geen weren't the most welcoming parents. In order they fit the so-called traditional roles expected of men and women at the time. George struggled to support their family. Though he had apprenticed as a blacksmith, George spent a good part of his early adulthood bouncing around from job to job and when he wasn't working, he drank a lot. Meanwhile Augusta Geen was the true leader of the family.

7:09She was the child of very religious German immigrants and developed a strong, domineering personality, one filled with biblical ranker. Very quickly, she became the one who dictated life in the Geen household. By the early 1910s, Augusta became convinced that LaCrosse was a cesspool of sin and fornication. So in 1914, she decided to move the family to a small, untainted community. Plainfield. By George's lack of financial stability, Augusta had managed to save enough money to buy a small farm about six miles from town. Augusta loved the solitude and made sure to keep her two boys isolated from any corruption. However, Ed wasn't entirely kept away from others. When he was eight, he was able to go to school and although he did well in his studies,

8:14at a hard time making friends, the moment Ed appeared to be getting close to someone, Augusta would sabotage it. As a result, Ed became increasingly distant with people as he got older. While Augusta controlled Ed and his brothers' lives, George continued to wallow in the bottle. Unsurprisingly, he was a lousy farmer. To forget his failures, he drank and when he drank, he physically took his anger out on Augusta, Henry and Ed. George's abuse came to an end though when he died on April 1, 1940. With George no longer round to provide for the family, Ed and Henry left the farm a little more to help make Ed's meat. For the most part, Ed was a handyman and at times a babysitter, yet despite working away from the farm, Ed didn't move away from the farm.

9:19Even in his thirties, Ed still lived with his controlling mother. One would think that this toxic relationship would lead to resentment as they got older, not for Ed. In fact, with each passing day, Ed grew closer and closer to his mother. In Ed's eyes, Augusta was a saintly angel. However, Ed's older brother didn't feel the same way. Now in his early forties, Henry knew Augusta wasn't worthy of that kind of admiration. While Henry never directly badmouthed Augusta, he made comments indicating that he believed Ed's relationship with Augusta wasn't exactly normal. Henry's opinions appear to have created a rift between him and Ed and they may have been caused for tragedy.

10:20On May 16, 1944, an out-of-control brush fire swept through the game's farm. Ed and Henry struggled to put it out and eventually got separated in the chaos. Fearing the worst, Ed rushed to find help. The search party formed and later that day, they found 43-year-old Henry's lifeless body. Finally Henry died of esphyxiation, despite the fact that there were large bruises on his head. One theory was that Henry must have hit his head on a rock once he passed out from the smoke. However, some have speculated that Ed killed his older brother, perhaps in response to his opinions of Augusta. Ed got Augusta's inability to emotionally connect with either of her sons. She took Henry's death extremely hard.

11:22Shortly after Henry died, Augusta had a stroke. While she recuperated, Ed waited on his mother hand and foot. But Ed couldn't nurse Augusta back to health. At the end of 1945, she had a second stroke. He died on December 29th at age 67. In the span of five years, Ed Geen had lost his entire family. Over the next decade, Ed secretly spiraled. And yet to the people of Plainfield, he seemed fine. Sure, he was quiet and a bit odd. But he was always friendly and had a joke at the ready. Not the 1950s, Ed Geen was just Ed. So in Sheriff Art Slion, Captain Lloyd Shephoister gazed upon Bernice Warden's mutilated body and Ed's home, it came as a total shock.

12:24It seemed entirely unimaginable that this somewhat strange but very friendly loner could do such a heinous act. They, along with the rest of America, were about to discover that this was only the beginning of what Ed Geen was capable of. If you've spent years trying every diet out there, only to end up feeling totally stuck. Listen up, this summer can actually be different. You deserve to feel amazing in your own skin and weight loss by hers is here to help you finally shake things up. They now offer access to an affordable range of FDA-approved GLP-1 medications, including both the Wagovi pen and the brand new Wagovi pill. Yes, a pill, which means you can lose up to 20% of your body weight when combined with diet and exercise, absolutely no needles required. The entire process is 100% online so you'll connect with a licensed medical provider right

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16:31As Shly pulled himself together, Shep Oyster made for the car and radioed what they had found. For long, a swarm of officers descended onto the farm, strapped with flashlights and caracene lamps, they began searching the house. The officers discovered a home in complete disarray. Trash and junk were piled everywhere. It was as if a tornado had blown through the place. His bottles, newspapers, boxes, and clothes were thrown about in a chaotic frenzy. The investigators also found a treasure trove of oddities. There was a wash basin filled with dirt. An old coffee container with used bubble gum. A pair of decayed dentures on a shelf. They wondered how someone could live in such filth. And yet, it was only the beginning.

17:33One officer picked up what appeared to be a bowl. However, after a closer look, he discovered that it was actually a human skull. The top had been sought off. In fact, they found 12 different skulls throughout the house. They also found some chairs that had been gruesomely modified. Instead of a normal fabric seat cushion, they were lined with human flesh. The chairs, though, weren't the only household item created with human skin. They also found a lampshade and gloves made of flesh, as well as a belt crafted from women's breasts. There were boxes filled with other female body parts, including noses and sexual organs. What made some of these discoveries even more shocking was the fact that many of these items, including masks made out of human faces, were clearly intended to be worn.

18:42Ed had created clothes or costumes out of flesh. There was still one more grisly discovery left. While searching in the kitchen, an officer noticed a bag stuck behind the door. He bent down, picked it up, and looked inside. What he initially saw was just a clump of hair. He reached in and pulled it out, revealing a severed head. Another officer looked over his jaw dropped. He said, by God, it's Mary Hogan. Mary Hogan was a middle-aged woman who owned an operator to tavern in Pine Grove just down the road from Plainfield. Virtually nothing is known about Mary, except that she spoke with a German accent, swore like a sailor, and lived in Chicago before moving to Wisconsin.

19:46On December 8, 1954, Mary disappeared. A farmer named Seymour Lester dropped into Mary's tavern and discovered that it was empty. He looked around, spotted blood on the ground, and quickly alerted the authorities. Investigators discovered a trail of blood leading to the back door of the tavern, where they found the cartridge of a 32-calibre bullet. Seem like she'd been dragged into the parking lot and loaded into a car. But the police never figured out who took her or where they went. For three years, Mary's disappearance baffled the folks of Pine Grove in Plainfield. Now, in the late hours of November 16, 1957, the cold case had ostensibly been solved. As mentioned in the last episode, Edgene had been arrested earlier that evening.

20:48At the time, he was merely a suspect in Bernice's disappearance. Now, though, it was obvious he had brutally killed her and Mary Hogan. Sheriff Art Schly wanted to know why Ed had mutilated their corpses and find out who else he may have killed. At around 230 in the morning, Schly arrived at the county jail in Wautoma, 15 miles from Plainfield. Schly was heated. Ed's house of horrors had rattled him, so much so that he grabbed Ed and slammed him against the wall. The other officers had to pull the two men apart. Ed was shaken up by the attack to the point that he refused to speak to police. While Ed went silent the first wave of rumors began to circulate through town, all people knew was that Bernice Warden's body had been found in Ed's home and that he likely killed

21:55her. Most people reacted with confusion. No one seemed to believe that Edgene could be a killer. By late the next day, though, more details trickled throughout Plainfield and the rest of Wisconsin. There were whispers that the Gene farm was actually some sort of murder factory. Finally, law enforcement confirmed some of the details, including skeletal remains, re-apholstered furniture, and Bernice's butchered corpse. Everyone was in complete shock. Ed's story continued to spread within two days. Plainfield was the talk of the entire country. Such grotesque evil had captivated the media. People wondered how a small, nondescript town in America could also be home to such savage brutality. Luckily for law enforcement, Edgene was about to give them an explanation.

23:01As police continued sweeping through the house, Ed, for whatever reason, decided to talk. It started with a simple request. Apple pie and a slice of cheese. From there, Ed opened up, describing what happened on the day he killed Bernice Warden. On the morning of November 16th, Ed walked into Warden's hardware store and asked Bernice about filling up a jug with antifreeze. After filling a little over half a gallon, Ed paid his bill and left. The next thing he knew, he was back in the hardware store, looking down at Bernice's dead body. During his confession, Ed claimed to be in a day's and said some of the details were fuzzy. But he did remember dragging her through the store, loading her into the Warden's truck, taking her back to his farm, and hanging her upside down.

24:06Ed also admitted to butchering Bernice's body like a deer. Yet that wasn't the most shocking part of his confession. Well, naturally, investigators wanted to know about the other human remains found in the house. They wondered if Ed was a serial killer, maybe even a cannibal. According to Ed, he was neither. He told detectives that between 1947 and 1952, he would occasionally go out at night and visit cemeteries. Generally, he did nothing except hang out. But on a few occasions, he dug up the bodies and took various parts. More often than not, they belonged to women who had recently died, women that Ed likely knew when they were alive. Initially, investigators were suspicious of Ed's

25:09self-proclaimed grave robbing. To them, it seemed like too wild of an explanation, especially considering the time and energy it would take. However, later in the investigation, officers went to a few of the graves Ed claimed to have robbed. They dug into the earth and discovered that the caskets had in fact been tampered with, and some of the bodies were missing parts. On Tuesday, November 19th, Ed was transferred to the state crime laboratory in Madison, Wisconsin. He was hooked up to a lie detector for additional questioning. He continued his confession, which now included perverse interactions with the body parts. He confessed to wearing the masks and skin stockings and wearing them around the farm. Of course, the big question on law

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29:24and it all stemmed back to his mother, Augusta. Ed had been deeply devastated by Augusta's death. After all, he held her up as more than just a mother, but a saint-like figure. Maybe as a way to grieve, Ed began to visit cemeteries in the evening. Before long, these late-night visits escalated into grave robbing. The victims of Gein's grave robbing were middle-aged or elderly women who had just recently passed, and generally speaking, they bore some kind of resemblance to Augusta. In a way, it was as if Ed was attempting to recreate or connect with his mother, but the grave robbing became more than that. It also seemed to have awakened something in Ed that he had been suppressing for a long time. Ed told investigators that deep down,

30:28he had feelings that he should be a woman, not a man. Slowly, he began to acquire medical books and search for ways to affirm his gender. The suits and stockings made out of flesh were a physical manifestation of Ed's confusion. Yet, even as these thoughts and feelings consumed his mother's presence never left him. When Ed saw Bernice Warden and Mary Hogan, two strong women, he was reminded of Augusta. Eventually, he snapped or went into that days and killed them. Investigators were baffled by the way, Ed freely spoke of his inner thoughts and feelings. In no time at all, they wouldn't be alone. On Thursday, November 21, the Chicago Tribune broke the story behind Ed's motivations, revealing his dark secrets to the rest of America,

31:36and anonymous investigator who was in the room during the interrogation had spoken to journalists. Reaction among the public was a mixture of shock, horror and confusion. As the nation grappled with the bombshell revelations, the time had come for justice to be served. On the same day as the Chicago Tribune report, Ed was formally charged for the first degree murder of Bernice Warden. Ed's lawyer pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity. The plea left an unsettling feeling among the people of Plainfield, one that had been brewing all week. First, they discovered that a notorious killer had been living in their community. Second, that killer's heinous actions resulted in a flood of media inspectators flocking to get a glimpse of Ed's house. Now, Ed was pleading insanity, which many believed would help him escape justice.

32:44Tensions were so high that the judge actually ordered extra security to deter a mob from forming. The judge ultimately decided professionals would need to determine if Ed was fit to stand trial. So he ordered Ed to attend a 30-day observation period at the Central State Hospital for the criminally insane. While Ed was there, he participated in a litany of physical and psychological tests. His doctor determined that he was, quote, a very suggestible person who appears emotionally dull. Has rather rigid moral concepts which he expects others to follow, and tends to project blame for his own inadequacies on others. When Ed was asked about Mary Hogan and Bernice Warden, he claimed to have memory issues. He said he had no recollection of killing Mary, but only admitted to it because the police

33:49wanted him to. Meanwhile, he claimed that killing Bernice Warden was an accident. He admitted to loading a gun while he was in the hardware store, but said that it went off by accident. Perhaps the most illuminating discovery pertained to Ed's mental state. Ed claimed that Augustus spoke to him from beyond the grave, telling him to be good. He also said he saw faces in leaf piles and smelled rotting flesh around the farm. Finally, he claimed that Bernice's death was ordained by God. After the 30-day period, doctors officially diagnosed Ed with schizophrenia and said he was not fit to stand trial. They also recommended that he be committed to central state hospital. After reading their report, the judge agreed, Edgene would not go to trial.

34:56Upon hearing the news, the people of Plainfield rose up in anger, many refused to accept that Ed was crazy, but justice, if it came, would have to wait. In the meantime, though, someone decided to do something. Ed's farm was scheduled to go up for auction on March 30, 1958. In the weeks leading up, the people of Plainfield feared that their little community was going to be turned into a tourist attraction. But ten days before the auction, on March 20, Edgene's house suddenly burned to the ground. Exactly how it started or who started it remains a mystery. The people of Plainfield collectively sighed in relief. Ed may have been living in a state hospital instead of prison, but at least his house couldn't be immortalized.

36:00For the next decade, the residents of Plainfield slowly put their lives back together, including Bernice's son, Frank Warden. Two weeks after his mother's death, Frank reopened the hardware store, returning to business as usual. He said, quote, we'll try to carry on as before. It was as if Plainfield simply wanted Ed to fade into obscurity. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. In January of 1968, over a decade after Bernice was murdered, Ed and Plainfield were back in the spotlight. According to a doctor at Central State Hospital, Edgene was no longer unfit to stand trial. Based on ten years of observation, they concluded that Ed could finally go to court. Ed's trial for the murder of Bernice Warden began on November 7, 1968. The defense requested that the trial be conducted without a jury,

37:06and the judge obliged, he'd be the one determining Ed's fate. Ed's trial lasted only a week, and was fairly anti-climactic. Ed continued to claim that the death of Bernice was an accident, but the judge didn't buy it. On November 14, he found Edgene guilty of first degree murder. Almost eleven years to the day, Bernice Warden's case had finally come to a close. And yet, in a way, Edgene got away with it. That same day, the judge also found him not guilty by reason of insanity. This confusing and almost contradictory verdict ultimately meant that Edgene would be sent back to the Central State Hospital. This second verdict was based upon listening to two doctors explain Ed's long-term schizophrenia. And even though this technically opened the door

38:11for a possible release, if Ed's condition became manageable, it appeared as if the judge was convinced that would never happen. Exactly what Frank Warden or the rest of Bernice's family thought of this decision is unknown. One could speculate a mix of relief and frustration that Ed wouldn't be going to prison. Perhaps they were just happy to be done with it all, especially knowing that Ed was never going to walk free. Ed remained in mental health institutes for the rest of his life. As he got older, he experienced memory loss and was diagnosed with cancer. Finally, on July 26, 1984, Edgene died at 78 years old. When Bernice Warden went missing that first day of hunting season in November 1957,

39:11it is unlikely anyone could have imagined the lasting impact of what happened next. Sadly, Bernice has gone largely forgotten in this tragic story. It is her killer Edgene's story that stood the test of time. Geen's heinous acts of butchery and the psychology behind them left people fascinated and terrified. He also became the inspiration for famous fictional killers in books and in film, most notably Geen inspired psychos, Norman Bates, a leather face from the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and Buffalo Bill in silence of the lambs. But Geen's actions were all too real and so were the people that he hurt. Because of him, Bernice Warden never got to see her grandchildren grow up. She never got to experience the joys of retirement and see all the hard work she'd put

40:16into her business pay off. The same goes for Edgene's first victim, Mary Hogan. As of today, the building that housed Warden's hardware store stands empty. It's locked door and shuttered window stand is a grim reminder of a life taken too soon. And a legacy cruelly cut short. Thanks for listening to this episode of Crime House 247. Be sure to come back tomorrow for Justice Served, where I follow a case all the way to the verdict that finally delivered justice. And to enhance your listening experience, join Crime House Plus and get every episode of Crime House 247 completely ad-free. Along with early ad-free access to all Crime House shows, plus monthly bonus episodes. To join, go to CrimeHousePlus.com. Or if you listen on Apple podcasts, tap Try Free at the

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