Reform Unfiltered: Inside Look At Nigel Farage's Party Conference Chaos & Fallout

0:00Yamavap Resortant Casino at Sandman Well is bringing the biggest laughs to the stage. Break Taboos with Ali Wang on August 28th and 29th. Enjoy Ralph Barbosa's Dry Humor on September 18th and 19th. And don't miss Nikki Glazers on Apologetic Comedy November 19th. Tickets on sale now at Yamavap Theatre dot com. Only at Yamavap Resortant Casino celebrating its 40th anniversary. You in must be 21 to enter. Well, I've had the pleasure of covering Nigel Frage and adjacent events for the better part of two decades now. And this is by far the most professional one I've ever seen. There's the big business is peering in the window trying to work out what potentially a reform government could look like. There's an enthusiasm here in the hall that you just don't get for political leaders. Other than really, I think Boris Johnson is absolute pomp after Brexit, you know, in sort of back in 2019. Nigel Frage is deeply popular in this room, but he's won this room over.

1:00Yeah, yeah. Shame on you, Nigel. The problem he has is outside of this hall and it's been a rough 24 hours. Stay one reeling from overnight allegations made by Jennifer. Oh, well, basically corruption, which can't be talking about. Can you just narrow it down? Last night, reform was saying it was a hoax and this morning the head of policy and the chief of staff have resigned. Yeah. That's not hardest storm in the Zika bus. What I think the video spoke for itself in many ways. Look, on the face of it, it's a hell of a sting by Jennifer that really doesn't look very good. What we know about this and I used to be a YouTube myself and do these things, Jennifer, we just given the final project. We don't know how the sausage was made. So is it an unfair edit? Are there elements of it that aren't quite true? I think that's what needs to be looked at. I think you've been talking about brown bags on television. It's normally a bad sign. As a man who used to do brown bags on television, let me tell you it's very tempting to cut corners sometimes. And the thresholds put things on Jennifer is very, very high.

2:00Is it really a hit job when you've got a paid employee of the party talking about donations in brown envelopes on camera? You can play in about the tactics you use and that is a debate that can be had. But when you're talking about stuffing brown envelopes on cameras, I've not seen this, I've seen it, so I apologise. You know, there's two relatively inexperienced people probably going beyond what they should be doing. I mean, Dan Jutes is the PR guy. He's not meant to be too about donations. He doesn't look good. Absolutely, not he looks particularly worse than James Orden for Dan Jutes. But there is going to be an investigation in the party. We'll see where that ends up. Well, there's always been the sort of meme I suppose that Nigel Farage clings on to too many people over the course of his career that he's been loyal to over the years. And it's actually, he doesn't show us there's sort of a ruthless streak enough to jettison people that get him in a bit of bother, a bit of trouble. That obviously was reversed quite spectacularly overnight. Bulletin the Chief of Staff on the head of policy at 2.30 in the morning

3:02to try and move on from a story. You were calling a hoax amount of hours earlier. It's not exactly a great start of the conference. 2.30 in the morning, Bulletin of your head of policy and your long, long, standing A. You can flip it around and say, actually, that's a, you know, famously people will say about Nigel Farage. He's too, he's too, he clings on to people for too long. He's almost too loyal to a fault. And actually, this is him actually wielding the axe now. He's not going to let this jamboree be upstage. I would say it's a little bit challenging. However, the guys have stepped aside. And the guys, so they're all the, while the investigation happens, I'll step down whenever you want to say. And we'll see what happens. Nigel's, I would decide what's the best route. Maybe it is a show of strength. Maybe it's a determination to get the baracles off the boat. Make sure that he's sending a clear message that this sort of behavior isn't acceptable. You know, but it feels also like maybe he's been forced to do it. Farage, I think, would love to have held on to, you know, two of his closest associates.

4:04And he has them. And I think that, you know, suggests that he's under pressure, maybe from outside. James Orr, you know, an academic, a bookish kind of guy, he brought some much-needed sort of, I'm going to let you use a tabloid term on such an august program as this. But he was the in-house pointyhead, right? He was the boffin. Dan Jukes have been by Nigel Farage aside for a very long time through the referendum. He was working for Nigel Farage when he was in his late teens. He's still a young guy. And for a leader of a political party on the opening night of his conference to have to Jefferson, not just one of his closest aides, but almost honorary sort of stepson in a way that you cannot, you cannot play down. And how close Dan Jukes and Nigel Farage were. It was a temporary resignation. James Orr being a Christian may, on the third day, rise again. It's pending an investigation, so we'll see. Well, Lee, Lee, Lee, Lee, and says they're not coming back. Has he said that? Yeah. Okay, well, that's very interesting. I will wait and see when that ends up being true. And would you be happy to see Dan and James Orr come back into the party if it's... If nothing's wrong, then they want to come back.

5:07They should be allowed to come back. Well, listen, we're under attack. You know, the forces that want to stop reform are in full cry. What they've done is, you know, use foreign funding ironically to... You've given them the organiser, hit job on us. Listen, I think no one joins reform, the thinking is going to be a smooth ride. You join reform because it's the right thing to do for the country. And you are utterly fed up with the uni party. But, you know, establishment attacks, hit jobs are half of the course here. And so we've got a... We've got a... But there's entrapments as well, Harry. And so, has this media outfit verbatim media, you know, which is a front for extreme climate activists? Have they done similar jobs on other parties? They still went on, they still... Stormy a teak-up. You know, it's still with a teak-up. And it's just, you know, these things pass. I mean, you, in politics, you get these rocky times and it's undoubtedly a rocky time.

6:08But you've given them more than enough ammunition in that age. But when you're on TV talking about brown embalances. Well, our legal advice taken from our top KC confirms that no laws have been broken. So how did they resign? Well, well... Well, if I... Luck in politics, you always have that issue. So would you say Tony Blair was professional? I mean, he was given away perages for cash. I mean, he's doing all sorts of dark things. So this concept of politics, this is a dirty business. And what it sounds being always will be. What are you saying that everyone's going to be snow white? The public generally tend to forget about things very quickly. Yeah, the election commission don't, and the police... This is the third piece of investigation. Well, because we take these issues seriously. And internal investigation's been launched. And we're going to the party will establish exactly what happened. I go, yeah, you are talking to the worst person. Because I don't know anything. What I think the big question is, is... And I think where people have gone, what the earth is going on,

7:08including very senior people within reform themselves, have said, well, hang on, why is the PR guy out freelancing, fundraising? And why is the head of policy drinking the gronies with donors when there's an entire treasurer's department that have that responsibility? No, it works, then, because I'm honorary treasurer. Honorary treasurer, but why is the head of policy out there asking for donation? I don't know. I wasn't at the meeting, sir. But why is the PR guy soliciting money from... It's a mistake. I'm chief treasurer, I'm honorary treasurer. I can tell you that we've got plenty of money. We've got more donations coming in, even last night. I had a table of people, we had plenty of donations. All legal donations. Remember, the Electoral Commission checked everything. The potential you're going to be rated by the Met, the potential of the investigations by the Electoral Commission, the all-confident that they're going to come in and have a living in the books and you're going to be squeaky clean. Yeah, I think we'll be up so fine. I think it's very difficult for them, A.E. They need to reassure people that they don't have contempt for the donation rules because you put together not just the footage that we've seen from the documentary

8:10but all of the previous stories, you know, the role of posh George, the crypto donation and so on, and add it all up. And suddenly people will see a picture of a party that doesn't feel like it really cares about the rules. Unless your behavior isn't it? You know, what are the processes and procedures they're putting in place to make sure this doesn't happen again? I think where it's going to be really interesting is what happens with the structures within reform? Because you're asking to be the next prime minister, the next government. You need to have your proper house in order. What do you think is going on behind the scenes, behind the big turquoise curtain right now? They need to get this day back on track, right? I think there are some personality battles going on. That's what happens when you bring in people from different parties. I think there is a lack of individuals working together beneath the surface. So when you have a defection, it's all about, you know, generic. It does he like so and so. There's also a team below them and how they assimilate with each other. And at the moment, I think it's been a very difficult summer and people are reeling. Where do you see the tensions?

9:12Because obviously there's a lot of, you know, that's a very public spat. You know, we put low, obviously, walled stuff into the, into the far right. Is there a use that perceives to be, you know, drawing some, some, you know, RIP is basically captured the old BMP vote for one of a better expression. It's been a long summer of, I mean, there's been a lot of public and private sort of division within reform. Is this, is this, is it, are we seeing this play out in the reaction to some of this? It seems that some people are quite pleased to see the back of some of these people. I don't know, but I mean, listen, I don't get involved in the politics inside the stuff. Oh, she does. I mean, everyone's, it publicly says it's all, you know, everything's tickety-boo, there's no divisions. But then, privately... Publicly, I'm really happy and thin and very good-looking. Yeah. And then partly, you know, it doesn't take 30 seconds privately before they're all calling to the wankers. Yeah, and the question is, is that the same with any party? Does it need time to settle down? I don't know. There's sort of Tory Cookies in the next. I'm not blaming anyone. I'm, I'm not a member of a form.

10:13But it seems to me that they do need to pull together and row in the right direction because a lot of what we've seen recently over the summer has been quite self-inflicted. Dan Drewch has been there for a very long time. He's been very loyal. He's a very decent guy. He's a, I call him a dear friend. Well, listen, there's loads of really good things being announced. You know, it's annoying, Harry, that you're not... Well, exactly, that's exactly my point. I wrote last week that serious thinkers in reform were getting annoyed that their big policy ideas have been overshadowed by infighting and stories about the nation. Is that, are you in that camp? You know, let's be honest, the rest of today is going to be dominated by that story. And I don't think there's really very much they can do about that. I suspect what they're doing is thinking about what potential policy announcements they were going to make, which they'll put to one side for another day when they're, when it isn't going to get drowned out by all of this noise. And yeah, the sense in this ring that people understand, things really are very dire. Yeah. And that something has to happen.

11:13And there isn't all this time in the world to change it. Listen, we're giving you a lot of ammunition if you want to actually shoot it at where it belongs, which is at this failed labor government. We've got plans for transforming the way we support businesses. We're strengthening our borders, we're making plans to reform government itself. Are you frustrated those plans are getting overshadowed? Well, listen, we're just focusing on... ...telling our members what we're doing, which is a very, very comprehensive plan for governments. For the first time ever, Yamavar Resort and Casino at San Manuel is giving away a new Rolex watch for every club Serrano Card tier. Play with your club Serrano Card and on September 20th, you could be one of five winners of a Rolex watch. Plus, all winners will advance to the finale at Palm's Casino Resort Las Vegas for a chance to take home a rarity. The second must-dang dark horse ever produced on September 26th. Two properties, six winners, only at Yamavar Resort and Casino, your California to Vegas connection. Details at Yamavar.com must be 21 or older to enter participate. Please gamble responsibly.

12:13You've been on the inside of big organisations that have been under fire at times. It does feel like this one has been a bit of a body blow, so an organisation that's struggling to professionalise. Let's just remember what's been achieved in a very short space of time. In two years, the party's gone from a very small, undeveloped outfit to winning local elections. What? Thousands of councillors. We've got a professional team at HQ. Is it though? Are you there? Yeah, a large number of people, a lot more scrutiny, you know, a bigger team. You know, we are, we're in the scale-up zone and with that comes lessons that need to be learnt. What happens in all companies? I've grown companies, I've small companies, I've made lose-house companies, I've bigger companies. And there's people that got you from A to B and not necessarily people that get you from B to C. There's a two-joule thing that there's a lot of young people involved. It was a lot of energy, which is actually great. Yeah. But you do need some grey hair or no hair in my case.

13:14You know, that actually kind of just says, well, actually slow down a bit, you, and think about what you're doing. It's clear that the systems in place within reform are clearly not up to scratch. I think there has to be changes probably. What are the changes? I think in terms of being slightly more structured. I think the simple answer to that genuine question, I'd like to see Nigel have a chief of staff. I mean, he had a chief of staff, he's called Dan Juts, he just resigned. Well, he wasn't formally a chief of staff. Okay, what would that bring to the fore? I think a gatekeeper, a central focus figure, someone where things get channeled through would be a start. At the end of the day, we need to professionalise the party across every part of it, yes? We need to be ready for government with grownups in the root. I mean, it's the scale up of a business is always tricky. And you verably don't end up with the people you started is. That's just the fact of life. Well, two of them have gone already, so some vacancies have been gone spend all time with their families and sure they'll make him back. Well, look, he's coming along and leaving some bands since he started.

14:15I mean, he started in David Bull's Kitchen. Imagine what else is happening in David Bull's Kitchen, and now we're here. It's pretty good. What do you think of the chances of a snap election? I think they probably increased pretty dramatically this morning, given the news overnight. I think this was meant to be a big moment for reform to get on the front foot, announce the big policies. I think they're still coming, but if you're sitting in Downing Street, you're looking at Channel 4, you're looking at the BBC, you're looking at the headlines, you're thinking strike quite the, where they are, where the fires hot. Are you ready for anything that Annie Burnham will go to the country, Annie? We are preparing for all eventualities, so there is a huge effort going on to vet and select our parliamentary candidates to get where we're on a war footing. We are preparing for the first 100 days. That's the whole theme of this conference. I think they were just chances of an early election to improve dramatically this morning. And once again, reform, who's the party that Labour are most afraid of, but you can't take the personal thing out of it.

15:15He's got the top job he's flying around in jets, he's loving life. Playing the guitar? Playing the guitar? Is he really going to give up two and a half years? So that, I mean, the average life of the Prime Ministers about a year and a half now. The right is divided. I don't think anyone here, hand on heart would say otherwise. The Conservative Party is still tanky in the polls, despite their leader having some improvements. The restore problem for reform is real. So I think, you know, it's a big moment for the right. I mean, if you're in the South Wales where we swept the board, I mean, seeing the social of the Tory party, I think the electoral system will sort the whole thing out. What do you think punters at home are thinking is, this isn't an isolated story, is it? Well, the polling, polling is still... We've got the week this summer, there's just been a whiff of corruption around reform. I wouldn't put it that way, listen, I mean, we have been still leading in the polls. It was supposed to have been, you know, waiting for the Burnham Bounce, and reform's still beating the Burnham Bounce. I mean, that says it a lot.

16:15And despite your... The summer that you describe, we're still leading the polls. Just where? And people want us. Margin Vera, Smardin Heratries. In 20 years time, are we going to be listening to it looking at, you know, this moment and thinking when a rainbow coalition of Zack Waco, Jack O'Revig's name is, and then Scottish Nationalists and the guards are independent, so we have to, you've domestically called them, allowed into power with the most left-wing Prime Minister, we can remember him modern times. And we're going to look back at this moment and think the United... Yeah, the right was not United, it was divided, and they took advantage of that. Could be very, very painful for the country. And how snap is snap? You thinking this year, next May, how quickly might he go? If you add six weeks from the day of the budget, you get to December the 12th, which was the day that the 2019 election was held on. I've got to say, they put on better parties that reform than the Tory's. It's a bit of a whiff of chaos about that place, right? It's a much bigger and thicker... Yeah. Conference, I remember from before, but there is still a...

17:15There's still an air chaos to the whole thing, isn't it? Well, isn't that life... There's a life chaos. You must have quite frustrated, then, doesn't deal with this. Of course, it's a terrible to have this conversation with you, one which we focus on other stuff, so... Comes can only get you something... Indeed. You can't polish it, but you can roll it in, glitter it, but hate it. You can behave your way out of the problem. So, are you concerned about the headlines overshadowing your speech? Sorry, if you don't think question up. Are you concerned about the headlines overshadowing your big speeches? If you can ask the question regarding the press conference... That's a no. In the party, you've looked behind the big turquoise curtain. At any point, you've just gone, oh, what have I done? This has been the best decision of my life, other than marrying my husband. Yamabah Resort and Casino at Sandman Well is bringing the biggest laughs to the stage.

18:18Break taboos with Ali Wang on August 28th and 29th. Enjoy Ralph Barbosa's Dry Humor on September 18th and 19th. And don't miss Nikki Glacier's unapologetic comedy November 19th. Tickets on sale now at Yamabah Theatre dot com. Only at Yamabah Resort and Casino celebrating its 40th anniversary. You in must be 21 to enter.