Project NIL with Anthony Gargano & Daniel DiBerardinis Discuss Phillies Collapse, JV for College, Should HS be 5 Years, & MORE!

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4:05I think I know. Well, good morning, good morning, good morning. Happy, happy college football Saturday as a Fox Football Saturday. And this is Project NIL, where Danny DeBernadena who is the athletic director at Penn Sharder High School in Philadelphia, the oldest school in the country. And I'm Anthony Gargano from the fellas and your resident sports dad. And we go over all the things that involve Project NIL with college and high school. And you feel like you're the best. You're the best school and youth. And you got everything from coaches and trainers and parents and agents. And we cover that whole evolving crazy world every week right here on Fox. Good morning, Danny DeBernadena. Hey, what's going on? Cause how are we doing, brother? Well, I'm better than the Phillies.

5:07I have to bring it up because the two of us are from Philadelphia. And we're watching a collapse of epic proportions. So it's just worth talking about cause I think people can relate and that one week ago, the Phillies had a five game lead on the Arizona Diamondbacks with eight games to play. 99% chance to make the playoffs. And they now hold a one game lead with two to play and they lose the tiebreaker, sort of magic number is two. And the Diamondbacks roll last night over the Pajras and Phillies lose. And we're in the middle of the Noreeister here. So they're having a start in picture for today. All right, you're right. It's a bullpen game today too. Oh, that's great. That's great. It's not like when you watch, it could be any team we're just happy to be talking about

6:07the Phillies, but when you watch a team collapsing like this, that's gripping the bat into sawdust, that's as tight as tight can be. It's painful to watch. Yeah, it hurts, man. It truly hurts. It's difficult to watch right now. And baseball is a sport. We've talked about this. Baseball is a sport where you just gotta get in. Anyone, it's pretty hard open when you get in, right? I mean, it's all about pitching and gets the pick. Get high. Yeah, that happens in baseball. Things change pretty quickly. So the fact that they were so close to getting in and now it's a coin flip is pretty depressing. Yeah, it's wild though. I mean, I'll be honest with you. I'm like watching. It's crazy. It's insane. Like, you're thinking about it. And all they're talking about is how tight everybody is. Oh, it's crazy. And the manager talking about how tight they are.

7:09This is a, this is a travel ball team. Like, it goes back to our world, right? And you're a glorified travel ball team. I see the same characteristics with my team. Mentally they're struggling right now. You're right. Mentally they're 12 year old or 14 year olds. Yeah, they gotta snap out of it. It's not bad of a quick. I don't have faith right now. I was holding on to the end. I was like, hey, it's baseball. Man, it's gotta get in and we can get hot. And it's just like, no. And it's the time back to surgeon, which they should be. And it is depressing as they filled out for your fan right now. Fill it up. You're filled out for your fan. But still hope that I'm down. I'm down the dumps right now because. Well, I figured you would be. That's why I had to bring it up because it was so crazy, which is going on. All right, let's talk about Indiana for a second.

8:10Because Indiana played last night. And by the way, Northwestern gave him a scare. And Indiana finally, Indiana obviously outlasted him and won the game. But Indiana is a fascinating program in that in the NIL era, Indiana makes a meteoric rise. How does that happen? This is a, there's such a fascinating group team because during this weird time, you would nobody would have thought during an NIL. If you told somebody 10 years ago or five years ago that we were going to go into this NIL world, and this is going to be, you would not have said, Indiana would come off and all the sudden, I can't even say resurgence because they've never been a football powerhouse. That they would become a football powerhouse.

9:12Yeah, resurgence could be spoken to on the basketball side, because they're in a dip right now and historically. They were one of the blue bloods, one of the greats, right? But it is incredibly interesting. And in this NIL era, I think a lot people overlooked the coaching still matters. Culture still matters, right? It's still big. It's a part of it. At the high school level, I tell my coaches, it's still broken into four, even at the high school level, right? It's coaching is a quarter of it, but it's still a quarter. I think it's culture is a second part. I think being able to recruit kids is a huge part. And then, you know, getting talent and managing the talent, I think it breaks down into a couple phases. And I still think that's relevant in the college level. Signet he is elite, but he also came in with a philosophy. And he was the first to do that in this NIL era, where he really, really focused on getting mature older

10:12players, right? I mean, last year they won the national title, and I'm sure a lot of people don't know this, but the average age of the team was pushed in 23 years old. The average age, there's 105 players on a roster. The average age was over 22. So just wrap your head around that, right? He went after a year and a half. It was funny. It was an interesting, it was a brilliant concept by him, by Dylan the Porter. I remember talking about it last year, as they were making their run, and they're even during the season, because we were like shocked and how well they were playing. And then you start to dive deeper into it, and besides Mendoza and everything else, when you look at their roster and you look at their old line, and their deep line, I mean, they were men. You talk about kids there, 23, 24 years old. Yeah, no, it can be wrong. They're still, they're getting pros, you know, pond in the D as a DB, you know, they Cooper as a receiver, I still think that was it. Yeah, they never received as a ridiculous, and Becker's really good, Marge.

11:15They got Marge from Michigan State now. But they're still not the team that's pumping out eight pros every year, right? Like for a lot of states, right? So they're getting pros, but some mix of really good college players. There's kids, I say, are really good high school players. It just doesn't translate to the next level. They're getting experience mentally tough, whether, you know, men and college that are able to step in and do their job, right? And do their role, and they can mentally have the capacity to lock in and not make mistakes. That's the type of brand of football that he's brought to them. And he's the first to do it. He was the first, you know, he was a pioneer in this method of like, hey, I'm not really going to recruit high school kids that much. I'm going to take eight, 10, maybe a class. I'm going to go in the portal, and I'm going to go get experienced guys that are looking for their fifth year. And, you know, he's done a great job of it. He holds people accountable. And I think that no mistakes we're going to make you beat us type of mentality. And then when everyone buys in, it translates.

12:16And they've done an amazing job. And in Northwestern, don't sleep on them. They're a legitimate team. I had a kid from Penn Charter go there this year. A glinchie brother of the Denver Broncos started in left tackle. And they were in our building a bunch last year. And then they're going in the right direction. So I know it was a close game last night, but Northwestern is nothing to sneeze at. And Indiana continues to do what they do. They just keep winning. I mean, their records unbelievable. And... No, Northwestern's defense is good. I watched a lot of that game. And Northwestern's defense is good. Indiana's defense is great. But, you know, you could see, I think it goes down to the quarterback play, right? Because, you know, Hoover's not Mendoza. And their line is not the line from last year. Or offensive line. Yeah, for sure. They definitely took a step back. And that kid Aiden Child is tough, man. He's tough to quarterback in Northwestern. He came from Michigan State.

13:16Yeah, he's a tough kid. This located his finger on a run last night next play. He got a pop back in through a touchdown. Yeah, yeah. Tough. Yeah, he is. You know, I do think, let me know, obviously, they want the champion. They want, they were on beaten, man. I mean, they went, they were, there was a historic run. There was a historic run. Like, it's crazy. It's all over last night. They were talking about the winning streak, you know, did they want to do whatever was after 19 in a row, whatever it is. And it's like, you know, it's crazy. They were, they just ran through everyone last year. We're a wild story, like an incredible story that they were able to do with, I mean, signates. And I agree with you. But the, but the portal part is fascinating because then after Indiana was Clemson and Cal. And I was watching that game. And man, Clemson's not good.

14:17Like the quarterbacks of freshmen. So like, what do you expect? They're just, they're just so young. And you can't compete with a team like that in this era. I mean, Cal gave him trouble. I mean, that's, that's dabble, right? He was the anti-portal guy, right? He was known for that. I don't believe in it. I built culture. That's how we win, which in theory is great. And I respect the man for staying on what he believes in. But I also think it was a little delusional that he thought he could continue to compete at the highest level. Why not join in doing what everybody else is doing because the game has changed, right? You gotta adapt. And they have never been the same. Now, he finally embraced the portal a little bit, but he still wants to really go with the young guys, which is great. But that means every three to four years, you'll be good. Because if you're, you gotta give him time to mature. You know, you gotta give him time to get to that age of, you know, maturity and physicality to be, you know, that level of team like the Indiana, when their average age is pushing 23.

15:19Yeah. And then you're starting your thing, going out there throwing 18 year olds, which is great. I love that he's giving high school kids a chance and still relies on high school recruiting. But to be competitive in this era right now, it's difficult. And that's why Clemson has really struggled. And I've met dabble a few times. He's a great guy and I love his messaging. But you gotta adapt, brother. You gotta adapt with the times. And that's why they've struggled. And I mean, they went from being, you know, one of the parental top teams, you know, they had an incredible historic run. And now they're, you know, coming middle to pack for losses of season. Yeah. What's that say, right? Like it says that you're, you have, it's skewed, you've issued what the trend is and you're not there. You know, I mean, it just, it's, it's, it's crazy that you, I mean, I'll be honest with you. I can't believe how stubborn he is.

16:20That he still is doing the same thing. Like you can lose your job. He can't, I mean, taking kids, but still not to the level I think he should. But when it first happened, he was like, absolutely not. I remember, I remember the whole story. But like you, you can't, you can't be Clemson and be this. Yeah. Like you're not good. You're like, they one last night, but they're not, they're not good. That kid, that kid's not ready to play. No, that's the other thing. It's a part of that. If not ready to play this level, like, you know, we're going to a smaller level, but that, or and that's the other thing that we're saying is decline and the quarterbacks, look at Trident Dad, making his climb, right? It took him, took him five years to get there. And now, you know, I mean, look, now you can see what kind of player he is. It's a fascinating, the other thing, I hate, listen, I hate to go back to this conversation we always have, or we've had before about the five and five. But man, it's so good for kids to stay in school

17:27as a quarterback. I mean, like the six years, you're ready. I think the NFL is a quarterback problem, right? There's just a death to quarterbacks. Yeah. You need these kids to stay in school as long as possible to get ready. And I, you know, listen, a lot of, no, a lot of his coaching, but also there's just not a lot of good quarterbacks. I mean, look at the Falcons, right? The other night, when you have a credible quarterback in Panics, who hasn't had a lot of it, right? He didn't play a lot of Cosmopol either, right? That's why I did it. But it wasn't like you started a bunch of games, like Mendoza. You got a kid that is legit, goes in, look how much better they looked. Yeah. You need a confident quarterback play.

18:29And I think for the sport, forget about college and everything else, for the sport, I think, you know, you need quarterbacks to hangin' around for six years. Yeah, no, I like it. And we talked about it when we drew up our dream scenario, we were saying you could play five years, you had six to do it, was our dream scenario. Yes. Before the answer, we didn't know the five or five was coming, we didn't even know that was, but when we were trying to fix it, when me and you sat down and had our brainstorming session and said, all right, what's the best thing for college sports? We said we give a total of six years, get you to the age of 24, at the where you age out, which is still the age because they basically say you have five from 19 now. Right. 24 is a fair age, and we were saying you had six years, you could play five. Because you wanted developmental or injuries, you still want to account for that. So that was our dream scenario with me and you sitting down. And I think we are correct.

19:31The five or five is definitely, I think, stepping the right direction. And I think it will be good for the game, but I think I like to six for five, it was what we came up with and we just, I like to six for five too. I really do. And I don't want to get stupid about it, but it's an interesting conversation to have when it comes to particularly the quarterback position. And this is why, incredible, it's huge for them. Dude, it's everything. It's like you just need to play. You need snaps. You got to see it. You got to feel it. I mean, even Mendoza, like no one knew what he was going to be at Indiana, but he was around. You know, it was his fifth year of college. Like he was around. He was a cow speaking of which? He bounced around. You know, he was, he took the step up and I love the dissension, right? I love, I mean, I love the climb. I love when people continue to elevate their game. And even like, you know, churned that, right?

20:31Like D2. And then he was really, people don't know this, but he was incredibly close to signing with Temple to be the champion quarterback. And, you know, shows you the NIL, what's the name, oh, Miss, and Lane came in with a little bit more money to be a backup. They're like, hey, come be our backup. We'll give you a 500,000. You know, the temple was given them three to be the starting quarterback, three or four. So able to come in, convince them to come there and then look at, look at history, right? But I love the climb. And I think if we give that window of six years, the climb can continue to happen because kids develop late. I see it happen all the time, right? You see, you know, there's still late bloomers and the process and especially now with high school kids having to start back because of the transfer portal. I think the six years give the high school kids a fair shake. Well, that's the thing, you know, that I feel, those are the kids I feel for. Yeah, I see it every day. I just met with our college admissions team on Thursday afternoon. And we talked about, they're like, hey, like,

21:33we're seeing a lot of, you know, in the major sports division one, signies are dropping and then what's the cause? And I said, hey, well, you can listen to our radio show. We talk about it all the time, but I said, yeah, no. It's just a portal and it's the environment. But it's still, for the most part, another sports the portal is involved, but it's not to the level of football and basketball. So like LaCrosse and baseball, they're still getting a lot of kids go out of high school, which is good to see. Well, you wonder like what you do, there needs to be almost, that's why college football needs to break up into divisions. Right. And these kids like the high school kids need to go to a lower division to play. Yeah, I mean, you see that, I mean, I told them, I said, you know, we have to have conversations. So what we're actually going to do is we're going to start doing some seminars or, you know, listening sessions,

22:36maybe like three or four throughout the year. And it's not to humble them or anything, but just to inform them. It's like, because they're telling the college council, I want D1, D1, D1. And at one point, they probably were, right? But now it's like, I'm coming in speaking them and just kind of explaining the journey, explaining the process to them and helping them try to understand what it is right now. And it's not a lack of their ability. To illustrate this for the audience. And go back to you at a place called St. Joe's Prep, which was a big time football factor in the East Coast that you helped build. Margaret Harris and like you, Trotters, like you and a million guys, right? At pros come for your way. And if seven guys in NFL playing right now from, from your program. So, so take me through what a year would be go two to three years ago

23:37on a high school senior class, who's going to wear to play what division one? And what it is now? Yeah, our peak was probably the early on ages of NIO. I think the class of 23 or 24 we had like 13 division one guys. Now there's 23 seniors again, the top 10 national program in the country. So this preface it that way. But it is slowly even at a place like that that is a perennial top 10. It's probably around seven or eight now. So that's a big drop, you know, for it to have 13 to like seven, right? It's cutting half. Yeah, it's a big deal. Now where are those other six kids going? They're going either high academic D3 or they're going to division two schools or you know, just that lower tier and then trying to work their way up. And it is happening, but also like, you also see kids now. And I think it's important this message kids go too high.

24:40And they're going against grown men and they have to transfer down. So it's like really, you got to really be thoughtful and strategic about this decision. It means more now than ever. Like I've saw multiple kids go to West Virginia and then end up at Delaware, right? Like that because they're like, yo, we're going to go to portal and we're, like we recruited you, but now we realize that the game has changed more and we're going to, we want fifth years. We want, you know, 23 year olds. Yeah. So it's in my eyes, it's better to kind of go, go to that middle tier, establish yourself, get on the field and then go get the paper, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Because you're still getting something when you come out. I know it's tough to turn down 100 grand or whatever a case may be, but then it's like, then you're going down and it's harder to get back up. Yeah, I agree with that. Once you can't, yeah. What you can't make it, you're not getting back up there. And then when you, it could for a lot of kids and especially in this, you know, era, I mean, mentally it can really wear you down

25:42and it's a challenge. And they were, they still need to do, dude, it needs to be, I hate to say this. Why don't you say this? It needs to go back to like having a freshman team, like a like a like a JV type of team. Yeah, but then we even limited the roster sizes, right? That used to be on having like unlimited walk-ons where we put a limit on it at 105 now. So there's even less spots. Yeah, I mean, I'm just talking about the system itself. We're gonna take a quick to you, but you hear me out for a second. Like why can't Michigan have a JV squad? Yeah, like change the roster size. Don't have to play for a gelge ability. Right, like you need, you need a place for these kids to go before they catch up physically from some of them. Let's discuss that and I would get some of the stuff. It's the project and I am right here on Fox Sports Radio.

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33:58There's a huge difference. For sure. So, Molly Point is, it's same thing in college. 18 year olds and 23 year olds are different, man. There's a stage of growth. It's almost, you know, I was having, I had a back to school night the other night, whatever. And I was having this kind of stage with my wife. And I was like, you know, they really need to do, like seeing boys and being involved with kids. And nobody would know better you because that's what you do. But I almost think high school should be five years now. Well, it's, it's, they're kind of getting there now, you know, kids are repeating grades and transferring. Right, but I'm not talking about just for athletes. I'm talking about for everyone. Yeah. I mean, I don't think kids are immature anymore. Listen, you see, it's life's bizarre sometimes, right?

34:59You see a picture of an 18 year old kid in 1960. And the kid looks like he's 40. He's weathered. Right. Been through it. Yeah. No, I hear you brother. You see me. They're outside during the sun. You see the kid now, right? And the kid looks like he's 12 in 1960. No, not a callous, not a callous on his hand, staying away from the sunlight. Yeah. And I think honestly, I hate to go back to this, but I saw a big change. And you're still seeing the effects that year of COVID really set back education athletics. Kids were, you know, we didn't let them out of the house. And then we gave them all these, you know, things changed. A lot of tools changed, a lot of resources changed to allow it to be like, all right, well, you can just stay in the house. Or you don't have to socialize as much. I saw it at the high school level for sure, just a maturity. And the social interactions really stem from them. I mean, it really, it took a dip.

36:01And then I don't think we've ever truly gone back to socially for these kids, you know, we made it normal to stay in the house or stay on behind the screen all day. Yeah, it's interesting. And I'm with it. I think, yeah, I think maturity, you know, even for me, like when I was going to college, I, you know, I was outside all time. And you know, hung out in play sports and was social, but I still felt like I could have used another year before going to college. I went local because I felt like I wasn't truly ready for to be all my own by myself yet. You know, that's a great point. That's a great point, man. You know, it's true. Like at 18 now, 18 is different, you know, I mean, God. And I know when people, like you get over the other, of another generation, you had 18 year olds, you know, God forbid their flight in Vietnam or Iraq, right?

37:05Yeah. It, this is a different world, man. We live in a different world. Kids aren't like that. Yeah, it's changed. It's definitely changed. And I, when that stuff changes, I think you got adapted. I think maybe adding a year could be something that could be a solution to helping maturity and helping the way this, you know, our sports are going. It all kind of ties in to that. And yeah, I back it. I'm with it. Like there's no, there's no, it's no shame. And it's just what it is. Yeah, that's got the great 13 baby. You know, it's really, it's not, it's no big deal. It's just, this is where these kids are. And I just think it helps out. I know I see what my kids, man. Look at my son who's 16. He needs one more year. I was having that conversation with my wife. I was like, wow, you know, well, he's not, he's still, you know, I hang on his body's gamer mode.

38:05Like he's not in this. You know, he's an athlete and God bless him. He works out and does this thing and everything else. He does work hard. But like I can't imagine living on his own right now. Yeah, for sure. No, I agree. It's it's like we do everything for him. Drive him here. But listen, that's what you're supposed to do, right? Like so, but you get my point like, I think change of change. Like independence, like I don't see any independence. Like when we try to get a foster that as parents, but I just don't see, and I see a lot of kids like I'm always around. Yeah, I coach kids and I got two boys and their friends. They're not, they're not independent children. No, I'm with you on it. It's it's it's change and the majority level of change and the kid is change. I agree with you, man. Yeah, I think again, I think coming up solutions is important. I'm a big solutions driven person.

39:06I say to such a school all the time, like, look, I can I'm a hand up, accountability guy. And if if I'm messing up, tell me, but don't just come in and complain. Let's let's come in with the solution. Come with solution. I'll eat it all day. Like I'll be I'm good with it. Like I'm happy. You know, some big solutions driven guy. And yeah, I think that could be, you know, we can adapt to some of the issues we're seeing with our youth. And that could be something that, you know, I definitely get behind and, you know, giving them an extra year to kind of grow and develop and as people as, you know, school night, I think back to school anyway, with these kids being so locked in, I think there should be more. You know, finance classes in school now, you know, like, the kids don't have the right checks. They don't know how to write. You know, there's so many things like like life skills. Well, yeah, life skills. Hey, I thought we're going to help them write. I'm going to do for him. I know, but I really want like a class around like life skills. You know, public speaking, they do that in college is not really common in high school. Things like that, I think are really important.

40:08And that we're losing. So that can be part of our 50 year. Well, wait a minute. I love that idea of 50 year curriculum. And having public speaking and finance like, well, these, yes, how many kids and you see this? Because I say, I don't see a ton of kids that are like outgoing and with adults, right? Like that'll be like, hey, Mr., you know, the Bernadenas, how are you? You're like, I don't see that level. I see a lot of kids that are that mumble. Yeah, for sure. And Penn Charter, they do a really good job of it. I see it here. I've seen it historically, but they, they really make sure that kids are the ones speaking up. So like, they don't want to hear from your parents. They will, but they want you to speak up, right? They really encourage that. So it's a pretty cool thing to see. But as a whole, yes. And it really depends on the school. Like I'm at a smaller school. So they're able to kind of enforce that. But across the board, 100% kids just don't add out.

41:11I see the level of difference between like my son goes to a school, civil to yours and the kids are outgoing and they now to speak to adults, right? Like, they put really polite and all that stuff. But I see kids and I just see predominantly kids that are like, you know, mice, right? They don't want to have that. They stray away from the conversation for sure. And they're not even like, you know, they're completely different among, you know, they're a peer group than they are in the world. So I do think you can work on that. I do think you can work on public speaking. I think that's a great idea. You could probably build a whole curriculum around it. Yeah, for sure. So real quick, because I will look ahead, the biggest jumps in NIL in winning percentage. How hardcore was interesting, but I think it's flawed.

42:12Yeah, because I'm looking at them around side to the power of four. Well, because they're getting a, well, they're a schedule base, right? And also like, it's, it's since it started. So like, Indiana is not on that list. Their own is the store ground because it started in 2021. Right? So we're talking about an article that came out this week on Yahoo from Yahoo that basically said is NIL creating more wins and showing where the wins are coming from. And it's showing lower level teams get more wins, which makes sense because they're getting higher level kids. The lower level of schools that are spending. And at the higher level, again, it's based off five years and before. So like, oh, miss in the Lane Kiffin error is one of the top teams on the list because they weren't that good. And then the coach came in and brought the culture. And then NIL helped, but then they were on it. So like, I think they have to do a little bit more diving. I like to see spending. And you know, where they were before, like actually what they're spending. Don't just talk about the wins and losses per team and conference.

43:16I like to see, you know, who's spending and what their records look like. What they're spending like compared to their conference. Because like, Rucker spends a lot. They're in the toilet. They spend a lot, but they don't spend a lot for the big 10, but they spend a lot per major. And this talks about our league that you left to talk about. But like, Rucker spends a lot, but not big 10 spend. You know what I'm saying? So then it's, I'd like to see it measured in that metric to give us more data to really break this down. Yeah, but that you know, these teams to spend needs to be equal. That's the problem. That's where there's no cat. That's where you're going to. That's where you always going to have it is. Yep, there's no cat. All right, let's think quick to you come right back. This is project. And I know Danny DeBurnedinus, the AD from Penn Charter. I'm Anthony Gorgano. Your resident sports ad for the fellas hanging on Fox Sports Radio. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox Sports Radio.com.

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49:23I just didn't know you just had a soundtrack and it was like, and you just had that on your playlist and you were like, because it's not so. It's like you go and order the movie. Yeah. Like you start like I know that movie burned into my brain. So it's funny, man. That's the cracks me out every time. Sometimes I'll play, you know, the piano is long and then sometimes I'll just play some other song, you know, just to end up the show. That's great. That's great, Markey. Do you do a great job? You guys are terrific. Thank you. Uh, all right, Danny D. Let's talk about international, the growth of our sports internationally. And it's going to filter into high school at some point. It's filtering into college. So the college basketball season will begin on November 1st, all Saints day. The eternal city tip off, baby.

50:25That's right. In Vatican City in Rome, I have a friend of mine's going. It's filling over. They're a local school against Notre Dame. In fact, the buddy of mine's going. I would, you know what? If it wasn't the time of year, I would love to go. I would so be there if it wasn't. I mean, if you help, Pope say, uh, a, uh, middle of a grad. Yeah, Pope Leo. So he, you know, middle of his playing Notre Dame's playing. It's an awesome, awesome thing. Yeah, they're doing a private mass at the Basilica for the team the day before. Halloween. So that's pretty cool. It's incredible. I wish, if J was, if J was the coach, though, I would go. Yeah, it's probably so cool to, uh, to follow or, you know, be there as a media person, um, just to cover it or just a fan. Oh, my God. The both men's and women's teams are playing. Um, it's going to be really cool. Um, women's teams play in Rome and men's teams are playing afterwards.

51:29It's going to be such a cool event. Um, yeah, the game's growing internationally. And I'm, I'm with it, aunt on the basketball side. I think that travels. The gym's a gym, right? Yeah, yeah, let's, they played on, you know, aircraft carriers. Yeah, you can, you can, you get a basket. It's easy to do. I think it struggles when we talk about other fields, like the football fields. It's a tough, is a tough way to train. I mean, I know we're trying to grow the game and put it places, but like the grass is different. How we set up is different. And, uh, my God, Brazil's a mess right now. I mean, Rio and it's going to be Cowboys and Ravens in Rio. And yeah, the field does not appear to be in good shape. Yeah, I mean, they're looking, I saw videos of it yesterday. And they're still working on it. They got to get a game to play, you know, it's, it's not in great shape. And God forbid someone tears an ACL on a pivot or a good stuff. Oh my God, yeah. You know, yeah, and we saw, we saw Australia kind of be a mess.

52:33Like, team, you know, the Rams were just lackluster and, you know, a whole nine. You know, I feel you. I'm with growing the game. I support it. I loved international thing, but I think they have to be better about it and how they build it in. I also think you need to just stay in Europe. At least for the time being, because you're London has it down, right? There hasn't been many issues. Jacksonville is basically a home field. They're playing there every every year, multiple games. I mean, you have, but you're used to stay in soccer, right? Like so, you're used to a certain level of field. And I think you can get away with it. But, you know, once you go to South America, Australia and crossing the date line, like, you know, I think you're pushing it. Yeah, for sure. But I do, I do, look, I do like, I back the game growing. I just think we have to be more strategic with it. Don't, I mean, the fact that you're just finding out about the field,

53:34being an issue right now is wild to me, right? You think it would be been set months ago and they would have had it. I know. And played on it. Have some. Have some. Hey, let's have a five football game on the field and do some checking out. Between the staffers, the Ravens and the Cowboy staffers. Come on, man. What are we doing? How could you not? It's crazy. It is crazy. You're right. You're right. A batter day, you got, you got no games today right through all cancelled. Now we're playing, man. We don't, we ain't scared to rain over here. We're playing. All right, I like it. That's good to do for us project and I am stay tuned fellas. To honor our country on its 250th birthday, this can a Copenhagen goes out to those defending the free American soil. But our tobacco has taken root in for over two centuries in counting. Years to the callous chance of freedom.

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