Packers-Buccaneers GameDay Preview!!!

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1:01Is everybody's favorite Jimmy Kirsten send Jimmy? You decided that last weekend that you would bail on me for a wedding in Michigan, I believe it was. So I was reluctantly forced to enlist Jacob Westendorf to fill in for him. So thank you for being back. Much appreciated. I didn't throw you completely under the bus because even though Jacob didn't believe my comments, I did tell him that you messaged me before the Falcons game saying that you weren't going to be available and that it wasn't a host game where you're just like, I don't want to spend any more time talking about this trash team that we have. So you know, I'll come back. So I did say to does. I was like, dude, if there's one week to miss because I missed the Thursday recap because that's when I drove down to Milwaukee and stuff and then to Michigan the next day. I was like, there's one week to miss. This was a fantastic one. I was like, I don't want to talk about this team right now.

2:03I'm too pissed off. Yeah, you know, well, you know, Jimmy, just to give you an idea of like where I'm at with this team. So for me, like football, like I, football is my favorite sport. But for me personally, over the last like three, four years baseball has like really become like a close second. Yeah. I really love watching baseball and Brewer's fan. And so here's the thing, Jimmy, I am traveling this weekend. I am at my in-laws retirement home, not an actual retirement home. It's a house they built that is their retirement house. It's not like, you know, it's not like the caretaker home. You're not going to hospice. I get it. No. So, so away from home and we're heading back on Sunday. And I ran into a very, very big problem, which is the packer game is at noon. Now it's a four hour drive, right?

3:05Okay. And I've got a four year old and a six month old. So it's a five hour drive? Yeah. Right. More importantly, like you have to leave at specific times. Yeah. It's that young. Like you can't just leave whenever you feel like it. And so like the packer game starts at noon, right? It's like, okay, well, that's great. We can watch the game till its conclusion, which I'm not sure how much I want to do right now. But I can watch the game till its conclusion. We can leave it three, be home by seven, seven, thirty, right? And then it's definitely bedtime for deck one. And then it's close to bedtime for Patrick, right? So that kind of like workout well. But at three o'clock is when game two of the NLDS starts for the brewers. And it's like, I'm at the point, Jimmy, where I can only do one. I'm going to be on the road for one game. I'm going to be able to watch the other game. And normally under normal circumstances, considering the baseball is the best of five series, right? And you get one ball game for your team a week.

4:07And it's only game two. So it's not even like a deciding game for the brewers. Like normally it'd be no doubt. I'm watching the packer game. And I'll just listen to the brewer game on the road. Yeah, right now, like, it's a real toss up. I don't know when we're leaving. Just get home for the pack again. And then, well, see, see the TV show. So that would require though me us leaving it like eight a.m. And Annie doesn't want to do that. So it's either we leave it noon or we leave it three. That those are my options. So I think that's what it's going to end up being. But like what I'm serious when I tell you, it like under normal circumstances, be like, we're leaving it three on a just list of the brewers. Like now I'm like, I don't know. It's fall. I got two kids. I wouldn't complain about being home at 3 p.m. Oh, yeah. All right. Here's a question for you. Are you someone that are you always the driver of the car?

5:08So I am always the driver under with a certain circumstances. So like my work, they don't care where I work from as long as I get my work done. So like this weekend, we left for up north on Thursday at like one o'clock and I sat and back and worked on my laptop the entire time. It allowed us to get up there earlier and then also before it got dark. So like in circumstances like that, then like she drives, but otherwise like I'm always the driver. Oh, yeah. That's how I am super sexist and I'll stand by that. I will always drive. And it's I'm the driver. But when it's a packer game and I'm in the car for that, that's I'm like, Hey, does you want to drive and watch the packer game? I'm like, I'm going to go to the circumstances around like, all right, I'll give up control of the car. But in other ways of life, she controls 99% of my life. I just want to drive. That's my one rule. I was like, I just like drive it. Well, I recently found out to the like, and I don't know why it is, but like so this

6:13past week, and we're driving up, I was sitting in the back and I almost puked because like I was getting like motion sickness, like car sickness. Well, I never get when I drive. So like I don't know if that's because I'm like staring at my computer screen, trying to read and like focus and the car is moving. Like I don't know what it is, but it's like when I drive because like I told Annie at one point, like we got like three quarters away there. I'm like, pull over. I'm done with work for the day anyway. I'll do the last 90 minutes because I think I'm actually going to vomit if I sit back here any longer. And of course for her, she like, she wants to read her book. So she's just like, great. I'll sit in the back and I'll read my book and I'm like, sweet. That's it's the best right now because the kids get super distracted with audiobooks. So we'll turn on the Harry Potter audiobook. That's all right. That's a read and then I'll throw headphones on. And I just listen to sports stuff. So real question here, though, for you. Are you doing the audible version of the Harry Potter books with like the full cast? Hell yeah. I got all seven of them. We listened to all seven, starting back at number one. Those I listened to was without the kids. I'm like, you better catch up losers.

7:13Well, so we just started doing that with the kids. Well mostly Patrick Decklin is six months old. He doesn't listen. And by the way, at this point, thank you for anybody that still has it. So we're going to get to the packers here in a second. I swear. There's a packer. Yeah, I mean, there's a good argument that this conversation is just as entertaining as a preview of Packers box. But I digress. We started doing the full cast with Patrick. And I got to tell you, they do a great job. But like there are certain parts that we're on the second book. There are certain parts where it's like, I don't know if this is appropriate for my four-year-old. Don't wait till you get to book seven. And they're talking about splitting someone's throat. Like that's the part hanging themselves after I was like, damn. I was like, are you guys? Let's skip this part. So all right. Well, Jimmy Packers come into Sunday one and two. The Offensive Line is Hot Garbage. And so they've made a lot of signings this week. Three to be exact, right?

8:14McCoy Bechton was Lake in Tomlinson. I believe it is. And then Kevin Zyler, right? Yep. Yep. So all three of them play guard. And fun fact, Jimmy, I don't know if you know this about offense wine. They play two guards at a time. So two tackles, two guards in the center. They now have four guards that don't be a little whiny baby about these signings right now. You know, Beckton gives you swing possibilities. His best position is guard. We saw a problem. We addressed it. Let's just be happy that they're trying something. And they're just like, no, Donovan Jennings, you got this, buddy. No, no, no, no, no, I say this for a reason, though, because I was talking and I think Andy kind of touched on this a little bit earlier this week. So it's not me whining about it. I'm trying to put, I guess, reasonable expectation on the fan, right? Yep. Because you're like, oh, they signed three offensive linings.

9:17And it's like, OK, Zyler is the only one guaranteed to start. Like he is what he's going to be what you're right guard. Is that correct? Yep. OK. So he's like the only guaranteed starter. Like in Tomlinson is going to be like the swing guard between like if banks or Zyler gets hurt, right? And then Macchi Beckton is like a complete like if he can prove it great, you get stuff out of them. Awesome. But like the entire offensive line. Yeah. Is bad. Yes. Right. And they really at this point, they signed three guys to fill one position. Essentially, right? Like you have depth pieces pieces, which is good. But like I don't want the fan to think like, oh, we signed these three guys and it's just going to like, we're going to completely overhaul the win. It's like, no, it's pretty much the same offensive line just with better depth pieces and an actual starting right guard. I was going to say it's crazy that our best offensive lineman has taken approximately zero snaps with this team. And well, right now you I can definitely say like, yeah, Kevin Zyler is our best offensive

10:20lineman. And he's able to play and fun fact, I went to high school with them. So I am extra. He's a whisky kid. So we went that is my claim now. I'm going to be his biggest fan because I'm lifted weights within one time in high school. And I'm going to tell everyone that from that one. Oh, is it that's like the six degrees of Kevin Bacon, right? Yeah. Hell yeah. Yeah. No, I slapped his ass in person. One degree. But no, sorry, listen, I'm on. No, it's interesting to do because yeah, Lake in Tomlinson, it's, but he did get benched for the Texans two years ago. And I don't know if anyone knows the Texans offensive line really sucked two years ago. Granted, I think he was playing out of position. But left guard spot, he had familiarity with Shanahan. He is going to be the back up to banks. But again, right now if you're considered a backup to banks, you're pretty much a starter every week at this point, like banks pretty much.

11:20Yeah. The one thing with Bechtin, he's not great at tackle. He does give you flexibility in a pinch. Like I'd rather have him there at tackle with some experience than Glover or Williams if someone goes down. If a tackle goes down right now, we're kind of screwed anyways, but at least he can fill in. And I'm curious what they're going to do. Obviously, right guards, Zytler spot for the year. Once he's able to play and start, that's his spot for the rest of the year. I wonder if they're going to move, try to see what Bechtin can do at left guard as well. I know he's always played on the right side there and he did really well when he was on the Eagles. Maybe they try on the left side. We know they like to just throw people both sides. I'm curious, but at this point, man, even Tomlinson, he's an upgrade from what was happening. And I'm just excited to have some kind of veteran communication on that offensive line, because the way that it felt, and was killing us with just basic ass stunts, where it's just, they're not even blitzing half the time. It's just we are offensive linemen didn't know who to block on stunts.

12:23It's just like, guys, what the hell are we doing? So having, having a veteran presence to be like, when this happens, you take this guy, I get this guy. Like that's going to make the offensive line look at least competent, but holy hell, I stand by this. We get our offensive line. I set it on Friday's episode of Pack-and-Aid podcast. Like by some miracle, this brings us up to like 20th offensive, best offensive line, or 18th. And we can make that kind of dry. Even if we get to like 23rd, let's go there. Our offense is going to look completely different. Like we can then get close to a top 10 offense. And Jimmy, so this is funny that you said that because they set the bar so low on the offensive. Like just think about this for a second, Jimmy. This is how low the bar was set. We brought in a guy off of a practice squad, a guy out of retirement, and another guy who like was cut a year into a $20 million contract.

13:26Right? Those are the three guys you brought in. And the fan base is like, this is like the greatest thing ever. And I'm not saying that you shouldn't, like, but it's like, how low is that bar where that's the three things that you do. And people are like, oh, we can get back to it now. What do they say? The seven, seven circles of hell or whatever it is, seven levels of hell? We're in level seven. Like that's where the bar is right now. You're the lowest level of hell that you can get to. You're right next to Satan. Just so you know, level six, Jimmy is Costco on a weekend. Dude, I'd rather I would I would drink bleach before going to a Costco region. That place. Yeah, you're right. That is definitely up there on the list. Costco mid week where they have samples out. That's the time to go. That's right. But okay, so here's let me set the stage for you, Jimmy, for this weekend's game. Because we're going to talk about this weekend's game. So the packers coming off a very embarrassing loss at home, your home opener, get blown

14:29out by the Falcons. Offensive line is hot due to. And now you're playing the O and three Buccaneers without Baker Mayfield. And as hard as it is to believe, they look worse than we do. And you've got 10 days rest, right? Yeah. You can't go back to back weeks playing O for teams and being their first win, can you? Like, I mean, it's just like, like, what do you do? Like, this is like, I say it's a must win for a lot of reasons, but it's just like, you can't lose this game. No, it's, it's what it is. It is the must win for like season one for Matt Lufloor's job and just the season in general. If we're one in three, then we have the Bears, Cowboys, Back to Back. It's not ideal. We're facing a backup quarterback who's never played.

15:31Like this is a backup, undrafted free agent rookie. He had what three pass attempts when he wanted to game last week in an interception, just to set some crazy ass stat on his last podcast with, with Herman. They're one of them this week. He had like 30, 38 turnovers in his last, I don't know, 16 college games with like 19 interceptions, 17, 18 fun bowls, just something crazy. Pro and eternal. Like if we lose to this on a team that we've seen cannot do like, they're not, they are in a worse spot than us. They're starting quarterback that they just gave a giant extension to his heart. They're own three. They're, they're banged up. They have a longer list of injuries on the injury port than we do. Like if we can't, for once, if we can't beat this team, honestly, it really is like, all right guys, we might as well just pack this bad boy up because even the following week playing the Bears with the backup quarterback, we saw how good they looked against the Eagles. Like Ben Johnson, I hate him. Dood's a genius. Like this, it's crazy right now, but yes, this week four matchup against an O of three

16:36team. One is causing me stress and two is a must win that I'm not confident in. Going like, that's the craziest part. We're playing a team that looks absolutely of this one. I'm like, yeah, 50, 50 like that's where I'm at right now. Like, maybe. We'll be right back. Football is finally back and price picks is bringing out their best offer yet. New users who sign up will get $150 in lineups if you win your first $5 lineup. That's right. If you win your first $5 lineup, you'll get $150 in lineups and now price picks is available nationwide. So what are you waiting for? Talk in for kickoff because everyone and everything is on price picks. So let me ask you, what are you all in on this football season? I'm all in on Tucker Kraft. I'm all in on Josh Allen's incredible start. And I'm certainly all in on Kenneth Walker's continued success in Kansas City. And right now price picks is going crazy with the deals to start the football season, giving users a new promo every day during stack September.

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18:44So let's talk about it, Jim. So defensively the first two weeks for the Packers, they look pretty good. I know they gave up 39 points to the Vikings, but let's be real. They gave up 17 points to the Vikings. And then the offense was like the offense and the head coach was like here, let's put it. Let's put you in the worst possible positions and see if you can not absolutely fold. And it was like, yeah, that's not going to happen. And then, you know, two against the jets, like, I mean, not bad. I mean, the jets aren't great on offense, but you look pretty good. And then, you know, the Falcons game rolled around and it looked like awful. Yeah. But so like, I guess what are your expectations of this defense through three weeks, specifically coming into this game? So it's like, okay, you got three weeks of like Intel on this defense against a Buckingeer's team that is playing an undrafted back-up quarterback. Who is turnover pro?

19:45What do you expect from this defense against that? I expect the same stuff we saw week one and two. Like, I think I think that game against the Falcons was just a combination of a short week and overtime game or short week coming off an overtime game. Our offense did absolutely nothing to help them with having any type of time with possession. I think Jen said it's on the Friday episode, like the average time with possession was like two minutes per drive, which is just awful. So like, you're putting a defense out there and we saw at the start of the game, it's doing well. B. John is also just a freak. Like, he is a freak. I've been through it, Jimmy. If you take into consideration his age and everything, he's like, maybe the second best running back in the league. 1000% dude. Like, some of those runs he was hitting like it's blocked like they there's no hole. And then somehow there's just a little sliver that pops up as he's being really patient and he takes up like it was a masterclass performance on his end.

20:46And like the defense didn't perform. I'm not giving them an excuse. I just think that's more of an anomaly. And I think week one and two is what we're going to see. So coming into this game against this injured, bucking years offense with a with the first time starter. Like, I think we're going to see a lot of disguises on the defense just to confuse him. We're going to see a lot of funky blitzes. So yes, people come in in areas that he doesn't expect. The one thing we're going to have to watch is just his scrambling ability because we've seen with these young guys too, especially when they're mobile. They're way quicker to start scrambling like they go into panic mode. And instead of like hesitating in the pocket making slight movements. It's full on like, effort. I'm running out of here. So I don't know if it's Cooper's going to be that spy in that area to kind of like contain that aspect. But if they can just disguise it, make him overthink what's going on and panic run. Like it should be I'm nothing's easy in the NFL. We've seen that this whole damn season with this packer steam. Nothing is easy. But there's definitely things this defense can do with it.

21:47An experience and I in my opinion a good DC and John Ganon. Like there's stuff they can do to make it hell on earth for this for this kid. Yeah, I mean, it's one of those things were. How many points do you think the offense needs to score? For the packers where you where you say, OK, that should be enough for this defense against this bucking years offense. Being super super optimistic. 17 being realistic. I said, once you get to that 21 range, 21, 24 range, that's what I'm like, oh, yeah, we're good. OK, because what about you? You're like 45. Dude, dude, the offense cannot score. It's not actually. It's more like a baseball terminology. Like it's not how many runs can you score? It's like you need to just get the 27 outs, right?

22:47So for the packers for me right now, it's you can't stop scoring until there's a lot of things. I'm not scoring until there's said zero time left on the fourth quarter clock for me. Yeah, well, that's where I'm at. It's like, just keep scoring. If there's time and in the game, you just need to keep scoring points at this point for me. And it's not because the defense is bad, but it's because I don't trust the offense enough to put the game away for the defense. Yeah. Like that's more my concern is that like the defense because we've seen this with with, especially as a weight with this packers team. The defense will do its job and then the offense will just be like, if we're just not going to put them away. Like we're going to do enough to like make you feel good, but like not enough where you're like, feel like you can turn the game off and walk away. Right. So like it's really more of an offensive thing for me than a defensive thing at this point. But that makes sense. I mean, realistically based on like what you have with. I mean, I still unfortunately think like 28 points is like, that's like comfort level for me.

23:52Yeah. Because like, you know, I don't know. I know it's very different. Carson Wentz and whoever this kid is for Tampa, very different players. Carson Wentz, you know, was what the second overall pick and was a starter for many years. I mean, he's like a competent backup. But it's like, I've seen it. I've seen Packers defense is too many times played back at quarterbacks. We were like, they should, they should be fine. And then you're like, what is happening? So yeah, I, I think that's also the packers have given me no reason to be optimistic about anything at this point. How no. I don't know. I think the one, the one thing that. I think the one thing that I'm going to say, I think it's different. But I think it was, it was a weird stat. It might have changed now, but I think it was going into Sunday's games like backup starting their first game of the season. We're like six and oh. And so like, that's the one thing where I'm like, that would really suck right now. This, that trend continues because, but it's an undrafted kid that.

24:55I don't know, dude, like he can scramble, but I would be. I can't even say shock. I'm 50, 50 on this. I'm a little bit higher. I just should be, I should feel way more confident in the packers than I do. But like you said, they haven't, it really is. It's like show me any sign of life that like me, where, or gift, where the kids poking something with a stick. It's just like, dude, something. That's just where I'm at with this team. All right. Let's, let's put it over to the office. The ball will learn this week that Jaden Reed out for the season with his neck injuries, having neck surgery. That before doesn't believe that it is going to be career ending, which is always nice to hear, but also super on the other hand, super concerning when the conversation surrounding the injury involves that discussion. That's never great. So. I'm going to be without Jaden Reed. You know, so you're now down to Watson and Golden and then, you know, Skymore is going to kind of fill in that role.

25:58It sounds like a little bit J. Michael Sturdovant, bow mountain. I'm sure we'll get some playing time. You know, it's one of those things. It's with the injury to Jaden Reed. It's like, hey, when did Savion Williams come back? I know he's not the same. I know he's not the same player, like I know, but like it's just it just depth at that at this point, right? And I mean, Woe Nelly, I got to say here, Jimmy, the offensive line is putrid. Okay. And it is by far the worst position group on the team. Yeah. That running back room, though, without Josh Jacobs is definitely trying to give him a run for their money. But I mean, earlier this summer, Jimmy, you and I had a conversation that the cornerback room was the worst roster spot on the team. They're third and they look competent. Like, I mean, it is offensive line and then it is running back.

26:59And then there's like a big gap and then it's corner. Oh, yeah. And that's sad. That running back room is like it's so easy for us to because the offensive line has looked so bad in so many in so many so many areas. But then you hear the stat. I think it was Paul Bredel said it on the green baby. Todd Barney's favorite show. But he said. Like they're expected yards per run or like yards per run over expectation wherever it is is like minus one yard. And then they're like, do you the running backs are doing absolutely nothing to help out this line where it's like, because you've seen these plays now too with Martian Lloyd, especially. And Caleb, Caleb Johnson's had his moments, but like boy, it's like, dude, I get it. You want to try to break outside because you think you're faster than everyone. Not in the NFL, buddy. All you all you mugs are fast. I just get the two extra yards or three extra yards and put us in a second and seven second and six. Instead of this second and 11, we're ending up on because you want to be cute and dance.

28:03Like just go forward. There's so many areas or it's just like, dude, you're shooting ourselves. You know where I became really concerned about the running back room. Not that like I thought that this running back room was great. But like it just may be a little bit more ignorance on my part was earlier this week I was listening to justice, Miss Gata on with Andy. And he was going through the depth chart. And he mentioned that basically like. Martian Lloyd may not be on the team like midway through the season. Because you're not going to carry for running backs. So excuse me, the guy that we thought that we spent a third round pick on that everybody said if he could just stay healthy. Right, like might add some explosion to the offense. And now we're already talking about he's not going to be here by Thanksgiving. I was like, whoa, okay, well, that's that's eye opening. Because again, there's there's not a lot to like.

29:05It's kind of like the offensive line right now, right. But you just have to not suck and you can be like the number one back on the team right now. Seriously. It is not suck and like they can't nobody wants to just not suck. What a fall from grace to because like you said, Martian Lloyd's been the last two years like if you just get on the field, just get on the field. Now we see him on the field and it's like, oh. Yeah, maybe we were better out. Yeah, I'm not sure if he's ever minding that's bad. So, so I mean, look, I don't know what the offensive line is going to look like because reality is we're probably not going to really no tell game time of Kevin. If Zitler is going to be is going to be starting at right guard or not. I would tend to doubt it. He signed on Wednesday. I mean, not granted. I would say your offensive line can't be that bad that you need somebody that signed on Wednesday to start. Anything, anything, anything's a reality with this offensive line, but.

30:07I mean, I don't know Jimmy. Like it feels like it's going to be a rock fight. Like you might this game might it be like 12 to 6. I'll say at this point, I just get us a win. It's going to be free nothing. I don't even care. But so I mean, obviously the conversations all surrounding the offensive line here, but I mean, when you look at this packer's offense, we know that they've got playmakers in. Especially in the passing game, Jordan love is a good quarterback Watson and golden or good talk of craft. It's been a rough start to the season for him, but we know these got the ability. You know, the running game again, it's pretty putrid, but I mean, unfortunately for the running game, I will give him a little bit of credit. You know, if you don't have anybody blocking for you, it makes it that much harder. To do anything, but I mean, what does this offense need to do against this fucking years defense? Like is this just going to be hey, Jordan loves going to have to throw three touchdowns and you know, you're going to you're going to like live with the, you know, 20 carries for 38 yards.

31:10Like is that what we're doing this week? I think we're going to commit to the wrong game a bit more. The thing that sucks now is like we went from the felcons don't have a horrible defensive line, but they don't have a Vita Bay. You know, like they don't have that level of player. And so it's kind of like well, hopefully you can. Hopefully you can stop that guy because we saw him kind of ruined it for us when we had Rogers back in the day, like buddy was a force in the middle. I see us trying to commit to the run a little bit more just to kind of free up Jordan level bit. But they're like, I just it is going to be Jordan, the Jordan love show again. Like if we want to win this game and have a productive offense, we need, we need Jordan love to play well. And that's where that's where my curiosity comes in of like what where does, where is Jordan love right now with this craziness of this offensive line. And we've seen him miss throws that he usually doesn't miss. We've seen him whether it's overthrow under throw is connection with golden was a couple times off last week.

32:17It's just you see you see his eyes dropping to that offensive line so quickly. So I want to say like if we're going to win this game, it does come down Jordan love. But as the offensive line broken him too far already, like does he need a week where it's like, okay, I have a little bit more time. And then we've seen him to he's he is like a, I want to say streaky, but it takes him a little bit to get the win. And then but once he does and he wants to stop like buddy is buddy is cruising. And right now it's just can he do enough to push us off and set struggling to win the game because I don't I don't rely on you can't rely on the run game craft shows us we can't rely on him right now. And then we're going to connect with Watson and golden enough to just score 17 points. That's all the Vikings really needed to do last week 17 points and they would have won the game. So I don't know man. The offense just has to look competent. But we'll see. Yeah, definitely has to look competent. Definitely make it easier.

33:18It makes you look more competent and easier when your offensive line actually blocks for you. Yeah, it's it's going to be a stronger bus, but like I don't know like my the hardest thing that I have with this team right now is like we've seen when the offensive line does block well not this year. The offensive line hasn't done that at all this year, but in years past, right. Yeah, like in years past, like you've seen in the offensive line blocks well this off at the rest of this offense is ready to go. Right, like you give Jordan lots of time he's going to make the right for us. He's going to get you some points, right. It's just like Andy's been saying it forever. There is no play call on the call sheet for Matt the floor as much as I am done with Matt the floor. I would give him the benefit of the doubt with is there is not a single play on that call. That works with how bad this offensive line has been so which will, but it's just like that's where I'm like so like man if they can just again I like they're never going to get to top five, but like I'm kind of with you where they can just be like somewhat competent and not like blow basic blocks on drop backs and join love isn't getting to capitated a second and a half after gets the ball.

34:33Right, this offense can do enough. Can it win a Super Bowl? Probably not right. It's probably the offense. Why probably can't be that good or you know can't be like 20 second when a Super Bowl. But like can you be a team where it's like everybody's actually has to show up and they if you're not everybody's get right game at that point. Absolutely. So yeah, I have no confidence in the running game right now because I don't want to run back to very good. So like I think it's going to be like you know it's going to be on Jordan love in the passing game and I will say this to guys you don't have enough opportunities to drop passes. That would be my next point when Jordan love throws you like the offensive line is not good enough. I can't imagine how demoralizing Jimmy it has to be for Jordan love on this offense when he throws a ball and it gets dropped and he's like that's the only opportunity I'm going to have on this drive because I'm going to get killed on the next two plays.

35:33Yeah, and you know too like just for him to get that ball to the receiver for them to drop it. But you probably took a vicious hit like you know he had to be like all right. I know I might get CT from this but please catch it. And then they and then they don't and like you're going to have drops. That's fine. But like it's just one of those it's one of those interesting things the margin for error has evaporated because of how we have the offensive liners right. It's like when you have those plays you've got to make them. Yeah, because you're not getting as many opportunities you normally want to. So yeah, um, all right. Lastly, um. I don't even want to I don't want to go into it. Jimmy. I don't want to go into it. This team is depressing me right now. So give me give me a prediction. Like you know, I don't think it's going to be a fun game overall to watch. No, just because like I think the bucks and packers right now are probably like two worst teams in the NFC.

36:33So, I'm not arguing with that. For anybody that wants to disagree with me. Fox moved bears Packers out of 325 to new. Yeah, also has some to do with Caleb Williams. Yeah, it had something to do with Caleb Williams, but they also have said wow, this packer team blows. I don't want Lambo field right now. It's bad. So, yeah, I'm saying if you disagree, uh, when Fox doesn't want the bears Packers out of 325, it's not great. Uh, and by the way, Jimmy, I mean, I didn't know I thought there was a rule. Uh, that they had to go through so X amount of weeks before they could flex games. I didn't know you do it week five. This is our earliest hell. Like, I hear the thing like early, dude. Like I thought they had to get through like at least the first eight weeks. Yeah, I think that's the most embarrassing part. Like later in the season, if they did it, it's like, all right.

37:39But then to do it already week five, and they're like, you know what? Yeah, this is no one wants to watch this crap. And Jimmy, they didn't even bother to wait for the outcomes of week four. Now they did this like before before before before we four. Yeah, I don't even see what the packers do against the bucks. We don't we don't need to know anything. We just give her to this game. Yeah, it's embarrassing. Yeah, it's not great. Not great. I'm going to go. I'm going to. Oh, man. I know. But I can't. I can't. I can't pick them to lose. I can't. O and three team with the undrafted rookie quarterback. If they lose this game, I'll I won't pick them to win again until the dolphins. If they lose this game. But I'm going to go packers 20 fucking years 13. Okay. I can't do it. I just can't do it. I'm going to take the bucks to win this. It's a road game.

38:45Yeah. Damn it. I forgot about the hundred degree weather in the green uniforms. Yeah. I'm going to take the bucks to win 171714. Something tells me trace Mack as much as I've been about him as if wait. He's going to let down this week. Oh my gosh. I hate you so much. I hope you're wrong. But this is the worst part is like usually usually when you went blank it. I'm like, on. No, dude. You're just being a grumpy old grumpy old trash. But right now I'm like, I've got some good points. I can see this happen. Damn it. Yeah. All right. Well, let's see. Let's see. Hopefully with Tom and send in maybe a few, a few series from Zitler, we can get some points on the board. One would go. Yeah. Well, you know, Jimmy, here's the thing. You and I are perfect for each other because you're the forever optimist, no matter what's going on. And I'm the wet blanket.

39:48And it's, you know, if you bring the optimism and I hope that you're going to be right. But there's been no optimism until the picking because I'm too much of a coward to be like, yeah, bucks are probably going to win this one. And I know I usually yes, optimistic. Now it's just delusion at this point. But he's not even optimism. It's just being an idiot. Well, you got to have some of that fandom in you, right? That. For sure. So. All right. Well, that will do it for us for today. You know, watch the Packers struggle with the bucks from noon to three. And then at three o'clock, flip over to the brewer game and hopefully. You know, I, I need the brewers to at least make the NLCS. I can't handle the Packers being this bad this early in the season. And then the brewers losing right away in the divisional series. It'll just break me. Dude, I am going to drink so much October fest on Sunday.

40:50That sounds like a good plan. I know. In your office, chips beer in your office. I ignore in your family. I mean, my, this is how bad it's gotten. The Packers are so bad that I started talking to my family again. I pulled an airing Rogers. We're like, now I don't mind watching the game with them. That's impressive. That's that's how you know he's down bad, everybody. No, I'll watch the first half with the kids. And then second half, I'll be like, I swear they're going to come out of my mouth. I got to the office. See, that's responsible parenting there. That's called self awareness. Yeah, here we are. So. Well, thank you everybody for listening. We really appreciate it. Enjoy the games today. We'll talk to you next week to preview bears and Packers. That ought to be a fun one. At noon now instead of 3 30. Yeah. And so we'll get you covered on all of that in the meantime. Which just hope the green bake gets to two and two. And let's hope that Jordan love doesn't die on the field from getting blindsided by somebody just totally whipping on a block.

41:54That's all we're hoping for the bare minimum. Sorry. With that being said, everybody, thank you so much for listening. We really appreciate it. We'll talk to you next week. And as always, go Packers. We'll see you next week. For more information, visit jameshardy.com slashhardybacker.