October 30, 1993: Ghost to Ghost

0:00I'm From the coast of Coastam archives, you're listening to the best of Art Bell. This program was originally broadcast October 30, 1993. Art will be live tomorrow night for his annual Ghosts to Ghost Day. Good morning and welcome to another edition of Coast to Coast AM.

1:03Live Ghost Stories. All night long. This is an annual event and I've got a number of things to say about it. Number one, I take this very seriously. And Halloween is about here. Halloween is tomorrow. This is as close as we get with this program and it's going to be a little touch of, I suppose, some of area 2000. What we do here on special occasions, we every now and then turn away from the news, whatever it happens to be. And it's not much this morning anyway. For now, we're going to delve into a whole different world and one that I want to warn some of you is going to frighten you and there are people who become upset by discussions

2:05involving the paranormal and ghosts. And if you are one of those people, I urge you right now to turn your radio off, go watch TV or something. Listen to somebody else's radio program. Because this morning we're going off into a complete different world. And I've got a couple of set up pieces this morning that I think you'll enjoy. This story from the Associated Press, its day-line Capitol Hill with its 200-year history, it's not surprising that the United States Capitol building is the scene of many of Ghost Story. Clarence Brown, president of the U.S. Capitol Historical Society and a former congressman himself, says over the past two centuries, both the bold and the faint-hearted claim to have seen or heard spirits at the Capitol. There is the story of the demon black cat reported over the years by more than one guard.

3:09There is the sighting of former president-turned-congressman John Quincy Adams, who died near the floor of the old house chamber in 1848. And there are those who smelled baking bread from the Capitol Basement, long after Union forces ceased using a secret tunnel as a civil war vagary. Then there is this touch of Nevada story for you that I found particularly fascinating. It comes from a newspaper that you probably don't read that we get in a little town where I live called Paramp Nevada. It's a little newspaper called The Gateway Gazette. It's the Thursday, October 28th edition. And the story is by Dave Downing, who is a Gazette staff writer, and it's entitled The Ghosts of the Mizpah Hotel. About two months ago I bellied up to the bar at one of my favorite watering holes, the

4:13Mizpah Hotel Casino in Tonapot. My son had come up from Las Vegas to visit, and we were having a late night drink. It was about one in the morning. You see about one in the morning. These are the times, ladies and gentlemen, where these things occur. A fellow, I would guess, to be in his 40s, came up from behind us, side of the bar next to me. I glanced at him, seeing a dozen or two tattoos on his arm, decided to avoid a conversation. I heard him order a beer. When the beer arrived, he up-ended the bottle, guzzled down a slug. The bottle hit the bar with a whack, and he looked at me and said, boy, that's a hell of a hologram they've got in the elevator. Huh? The elevator he said. I've never been there before. They've got an incredible hologram in there. I don't understand. He said, oh, I thought you were a local. The Mizpah has a hologram of a beautiful woman dressed in old-fashioned clothing. It's in the elevator, man. It does look real.

5:14I told him that I'm a local. I also asked him. I told him there's no hologram in the elevator. He looked at me strangely, drank his beer and left. A few minutes later he returned to the bar. He looked upset. Your righty exclaim there is nothing in the elevator. He walked back toward the elevator, and I never saw him again. Had the lady in red appeared again? There are many strange tales from the hallowed, ween halls of the Mizpah. The most popular tale involves the murder of a pretty young lady on the fifth floor of the hotel. She was a lady of the evening and began involved in a love triangle. That's according to the assistant manager now of the Mizpah, Sue Harmon. She was caught with another man, by the man who was a madly in love with her. He stabbed her to death. According to Harmon, there have been many sightings of the lady in red. She resides on the fifth floor, but she'll wander all over the hotel.

6:18She loves to pull pranks. These are the ones that causes the Kino board to light up. Wait till you hear this. Many employees and visitors to the Mizpah claim they've seen the Kino board begin to flash numbers as if a game were in progress. The Kino boards at the Mizpah haven't been connected to an electrical source for years. Many claim she can be heard at night, moaning, and walking about the floors. She's been known to carry on a conversation with people. Only later find out no one is there. Sharon Mitchell of Round Mountain relates a story about the lady and red that occurred to her son Stewart. When he was working at the hotel during its reconstruction in the late seventies, Sharon was a dealer and a pit boss for the Mizpah at the time. Two of my sons worked after school at the Mizpah, helping to remove walls and do general construction work. Stewart was fourteen or fifteen years old at the time.

7:18One night Stewart was unusually quiet on the way home. I asked him if he was feeling okay, but he said something weird had happened during work. Stewart told his mother, I was working down in the basement tearing out a wall. There was a woman with me. She asked me what I was doing and I told her I was taking the wall down. She told me she didn't want the wall taken out. I asked her who she was and she said, I live here and I don't want that wall taken down. Stewart went to get his boss when they returned the lady was of course no longer there. Sharon told her son that it didn't seem much to be upset about. Stewart responded, but mom, it isn't Halloween, but she was dressed in a costume. According to Sharon, her son then described the lady as wearing a long dress with a bustle that looked like turn of the century clothing. He was very upset. Mitchell said she really didn't believe in ghosts, but if they exist anywhere, they're at the MISVAR.

8:18Pat Dennis, a former MISVAR waitress, is one who has personally seen the Kino board begin to light up. I don't know if I don't know for a fact that the Kino board isn't connected to an electrical source, so I can't really say that the lady in red is involved. Who knows? Maybe they left a wire or two connected to some source by accident. And it says she's heard that the lady in red will steal guest shoes, but only if the shoes are red. George Tully, a former SWOT mechanic for the MISVAR, has seen that board light up the Kino board. It would start playing a game. Usually it would happen during the graveyard shift. While of a sudden the numbers would start lighting up as if a game were being played. You get about twenty numbers. They'd stay up for a while, then all go out. It happened three times one night. He added that the controls for the Kino board, if this were removed in 1979 when the hotel

9:21went underwent reconstruction. There are no controls for the board, he said. Beatrice Lind Evans has had direct experiences with the lady in red. She's always been kind to me, but she doesn't like men. She said, Evans tells a tale of horror involving her son and grandson. Her son was twenty-six, the grandson, thirteen at the time. I was in the employee's session resting. I'd had only two hours sleep and I was exhausted. My son and grandson arrived and I opened the door for them. They just stood there staring beyond me. They looked as if they were in a trance. I asked them if they were coming in. They just stood and stared. I finally turned around and looked behind me, but I didn't see anything. I turned back to them and my grandson said, that's the first time I ever saw a person without a head. The boy told her they saw a woman dressed in red, walk across the room, and through a wall.

10:29She was holding her head in her hands. They both said they saw the same thing. He also tells a story of a band that had been contracted by the Mizbah. They heard stories about the lady in red decided to hold a party in their room. During the party they began asking for her a sort of say-ons. The lady not only appeared to them, but bothered them for the rest of the week she wouldn't leave them alone. There are other stories about different ghosts in the Mizbah. Jean Hygman Mizbah desk clerk tells about a woman from Las Vegas that had a room on the fifth floor. She woke up and saw a man at the foot of her bed. She began screaming, made quite a bit of racket next morning. While she was checking out she apologized for making such a scene. She explained to me that it was the worst and most realistic nightmare she'd ever had. She went to the pitman room. That's the pitman room for breakfast.

11:29She was drinking coffee, glanced at the pictures on the wall. Suddenly she dropped her coffee cup and began screaming again. That's him. That's the man. She was looking at a picture of Senator Hygman. According to Jean Bridges, a former waitress that Mizbah used to have a security guard named Otis. Otis was a huge man that others would be afraid of. Big macho type. Bridges and others told how Otis was scared to death of the fifth floor. He would refuse to go out there without someone with him. At some time in his Mizbah career he had gone to the fifth floor room because of a loud party. And that's where he saw her. And I'm going to stop there. There's more. But that's a little tale of what's going on here in Nevada. And one of the brothels in Perumpt Nevada, the locals and everybody there is known for

12:32a very long time, there is a ghost. Now I guess Nevada is a likely candidate for this sort of thing. I don't know why our history, some of it in the past, violent. And that brings me to why so many ghosts appear or so many spirits appear to remain here on this world. I think they can't go anywhere else. Frequently when a death is unexpected, early, violent, when there's something utterly unsatisfied here on earth, unrequited love frequently will bring a spirit that seems to stay. Other reasons, I don't know at all, I just know that I've heard the stories in this morning you're going to hear them. That's what we're going to do.

13:34We're going to talk about ghosts, poltergeists, spirits. And one of the reasons that I've found this topic through my life so fascinating, and I always return to it, is because for a very long time I've been on a search of hard search for some sort of proof of life after death. Now obviously if spirits are remaining on earth or here at all, that means there is some sort of life after death. This may be an aberration, but nevertheless it certainly is you must admit an indication that there is something that comes after. So if you have a ghost story for us this morning, a real ghost story, if you're seeing

14:37a ghost or being bothered by one now, we want to hear from you. And that's a little taste to get you started. I now await your story and we'll be right back. All right, if you're ready, I think I am, and if it starts to get scary enough, I will extinguish my lights and sort of get in the spirit of things. I've done that every year. I'm not allowed to bring a candle here. No fire. But I do extinguish the lights and kind of get myself into the mood. Here we go. Wild card line three, good morning, you are on the air. Thank you, sir. This story revolves around the historical building in the town of Providence, town of Massachusetts, which is a town that's out on the very tip of Cape Cod.

15:37A number of years ago, this is going back about 20 years ago, my uncle was a former California contractor, a builder who took a job as a caretaker in this building called the Providence Town Inn. Oh, yes. And he was there basically living rent free to do some restoration renovation on this old building. And this is the guy who watched the hockey games. It didn't care about ghost stories, didn't believe in that sort of thing. But as he and his wife were living there for a while, they began to see more and more evidence of what I guess you would call poltergeist activity. This was in the... Frank's things flying around, that's absolutely. They would be watching a hockey game and his wife would be cooking some spaghetti sauce in the kitchen and they'd be watching together. She'd come out and she'd leave the wooden spoon in the pot and they'd hear this clatter in the kitchen and they both run out there and the spoon would be across the room and spaghetti

16:40sauce would be all over the place. And then they began hearing footsteps in the upper story of the inn at all hours of the day and night. And would rush upstairs to see who was there because this was generally in the off season when they didn't have any people renting rooms and so forth. And there was never anyone there. And on one occasion they had some footsteps who were wandering around and he got his gun off the rack above the hearth. And the stairs were coming down the wall just on the other side of the living room and there was a door in the entryway that was at the bottom of the stairs and this separated the stairwell from where they were watching television. As the footsteps came down the stairs said to his wife, as soon as the footsteps get to the bottom open the door and I'll be ready with the gun. And she opened the door and there was no one there. And so we began hearing stories about this.

17:41My family and I lived in your Springfield, Massachusetts at the time and so my brother and I who were big fans of a television program with Gary Collins, it was called the sixth sense or something. That was about the time that this was going on. We were all hyped up on this paranormal activity and so we decided we were going to go there with our cameras and try and get pictures of ghosts and this kind of stuff. And we had some really frightening experiences. We began watching my uncle and his wife as they were using a Ouija board which has the letters of the alphabet and a number of numbers. Well I know about Ouija board. Yes and no and this kind of thing. And it turned out that leading up to this particular weekend my brother and I were there they had actually done some historical research in the archives in Boston and other places to try and find out about the history of the building and they found among other things

18:41that in the 1870s, Provincetown had been a big wailing village. There was a lot of wailing going on up and down the eastern seaboard. And on one occasion one of these wailing vessels had run a ground on the sandbars off of Provincetown and a major storm and a number of people had been killed. Well the lumber that was salvaged from the wreck of the ship was used to build the Provincetown in. Oh no kidding. It's annexed. You see every time every one of these stories seems to come back to the same thing. Some sort of violent unexpected death or some death that leaves somebody wanting in a terrible moment of love or hate or any giant strong emotion. Absolutely. The story goes on. I mean it gets actually quite a bit more frightening. All right. Well listen, we're kind of out of time on this one but I really do appreciate that. It's right down my alley. Thank you. Thank you my friend.

19:42Good morning. These coast coasts. Another place where there are a lot of stories of those spirits. Of course is New England. Now I guess you could once again suggest that the older areas, the first settled areas in this country, those up in New England, would be likely settings for such things. And of course Europe where society is quite a bit older than ours and a lot of buildings are quite a bit older than ours with a lot of history behind them seem to be troubled by this sort of thing frequently as well. Again, the reason I find all of this so utterly fascinating is that obviously any proof of ghosts, any confirmation of spirits is in effect. One of life after death and I know that many of us, not just me, are totally fascinated

20:48by that possibility. So that was a good setup call for what we're going to be doing this morning. I guess you've got the idea if you've got a story, you know what the numbers are. We'll be back with more.

22:11From the Kingdom of Nine, this is a special replay of Costa Costa M with Art Bell. Tonight's program is a reward guest from October 30, 1993. Join Art Live Monday night with his annual Ghosts to Ghost Day M show. I'm Art Bell, back to the phones. And good morning. First time caller line, you're on the air. Where are you calling from? From Alameda, California, right outside of campus. This goes? Welcome to the program. Sorry. Last year my five children and I we live in a big old rambling house and I started hearing things but I thought it was for children. The house is so big that you might hear from the next room with five kids. Anybody could be anywhere in the house. Absolutely. And I go and the door slam too hard. I go to a reprimand. Don't be slamming the door and there is no one there. So of course your mind tells you. I thought I heard something. Oh well.

23:12And so then you hear footsteps and you think someone is coming downstairs and you go and oh I thought I heard something. Oh well. Well the human mind of course reaches out to find rational explanations for things that may not have any rational explanation. Absolutely. And denial too. Sure. It's called denial. Well unbeknownst to me the children were experiencing noises and footsteps and I didn't want to tell them because I wasn't sure what it was and I dismissed it from my mind and then I started saying no this is something I didn't want to scare them. And apparently they were experiencing all this as well. People went into the shower. Someone entering the shower when they were in the shower. That would bother me. Well that's very unnerving. Suddenly being the shower soping up and feel the brush of another body next to the room. No.

24:12The sensation of something or somebody and you quickly look out the curtain and no one's there. You quickly ladder off and I didn't see but I know I did. But here again I oh well. I guess it's my mind. Well everyone was experiencing these things but no one told anybody. I didn't for the specific purpose. I didn't want to scare the children. They didn't tell me thinking as a child think that if they told me it would come true. The one day that we found out that everybody knew was when I was reprimanding my son and he was very distracted, and I thought he was being disrespectful. So as I started to correct him even more he finally said no mom it's not you I saw something and that's when the flood of everybody yes I saw it too and I heard this and I saw that. I mean you would hear someone jumping on the bed and I'd go to look and nobody was there. Another night I was home alone and I was very agitated and I couldn't read.

25:12I couldn't sit down. I couldn't watch TV. And so finally I sat down and looked at a picture book one of the children's picture books and I had this overwhelming sense that someone was looking at me. When they came home they saw two footprints of mud and my son put his feet in there and the angle that it was whatever it was was staring at me. That's why I was so agitated. So these things just started accelerating. When the thing found out that we knew it started manifesting itself in the form of a shadow and I'm talking about it 12th, at noon time the children taught first and they became just crumpled. They were crumpled absolutely I mean they were yelling and screaming. I'd be crumpled too. I mean I was just I didn't know what to think. So I called my priest I went up and we right away got in the van and went up there and told him and he didn't believe us.

26:12He said there were mice or you know people hysteria and all the common explanations that you get. I was so upset that on the way home I ran a stop sign. I knew that we saw and we heard what we saw and we heard. Finally till that night I saw the shadow and I bolted up. We were all sleeping now together. We all had to touch each other. Everybody's six people in a room. Everybody's feet or something had to be touching the wrist of skin. I do understand yes. I didn't want to tell anybody with the reaction of the priest that it wasn't true. I thought we'd be labeled as either liars or... Did the priest come there? No he didn't want to deal with it. He didn't want to hear about it. I mean what I guess I figured out later like what could he do? I don't know. I still don't understand why he did not to help us. Well we're about out of time. How did it become resolved?

27:12Well another priest is another priest coming blessed the house. The thing got very agitated. It started throwing things and making noises and when the priest left it was still here. My children just became hysterical. I got a crucifix and very corny I guess but I went through the house sending it back to where it came and it left. But I was still about two weeks later now. We're still sleeping together. No one can move. We're paralyzed. No one's eating. No one's going to school. No one's anything. And I'm just saying in my mind what could it have been? And a voice said your brother. Sure enough I called around the last known address. No one had seen him in about 15 years. Somehow I was able to track him down in San Francisco. He had died two months before. Oh my God. Thank you very much for the call. Oh that sends shivers down my spine.

28:14That's the kind of thing that does it and that's the kind of thing that is so frequent. Frequent when you hear these stories it comes again and again somebody who's passed away. Somebody who's passed away without leaving a message or finishing something that was so important in their life. That it couldn't be ignored even in death. Well let's break for a moment. Good evening you're on the air. Yes I had a brush with something eerie in 1956 in Pittsburgh TA. As a young couple my husband and I had moved into the third floor rooms of a very old house probably built around the turn of the century. We rented the third floor rooms and old couple in their 80s where our landlords on the first floor the second floor was empty.

29:20Among our four rooms there was one particular small room that for some reason I had a very strange eerie feeling about it. I just never felt right. We just used for storage and always kept that door closed. This one particular night my husband traveled on business and he was away. I came home from work about six o'clock. The old couple were in their rooms downstairs but with their doors closed so I felt very much alone in the house. I was up there. Our bathroom happened to be on the second floor which was empty. I was up there for a couple of hours and I kept having this terrible feeling that something or someone was in that little room. I kept thinking why it must be being silly. After a couple of hours I went down to use the bathroom on the second floor. While I'm in there something seemed to be telling me do not go back upstairs. I had to really drain myself up there because I had this horrible feeling.

30:23You mean you went anyway? I went anyway. I wanted people to always go to the movies. The woman's scatly dressed women always go to the basement. Why wasn't scatly dressed? Well that's fine. Anyway I decided I'm being foolish so I go up these stairs and I'm climbing up this very long flight of steps. I get almost to the top about the third step down when I hear the latch of that door open up. It made a click, a loud click and that door opened and made the biggest squeaky over here in your life just like in the movie. I raced down those steps back to the bathroom three at a time literally. Went back in that room, closed the door, locked that bathroom door and I sat in there for about two hours until my husband came home. When I heard that Plent Door downstairs opening I was so relieved. He came in and I told him what had happened so we went back upstairs and that door was open about a foot or so. We looked inside of course we saw no one, nothing.

31:25I can't explain why that happened to open that nest that way. In any case I always gave me a hard failure. A post script to all this is that within a year after we had moved out of that house the old man downstairs in his 80s had died. A young couple had moved into the second floor and we read in the paper that their baby had died in this crib. They were on the second floor and I just had the strangest feeling that there was an evil spirit in that house that was looking for a victim or something. I almost feel that if I had gone up those stairs that night when I heard that door open I could have been that victim. I was honest to God a really spooky house. I understand and I hardly appreciate your story. It was a good one. Thank you. That's a good one. Why is it do you think that people always compulsively almost do what they've been instructed not to do?

32:28Why I joked about in the horror stories where they always go directly to the basement. It kills me. No, I scream. No, not the basement. They open the door and down they go where they're eating alive by something inevitably. But even in real life listen to that lady. Listen to the story we just got. Something told her not to do that and what's the first thing she did? She forced herself to do it. Maybe the answer is that we want to return to a rational thought pattern. If something disturbs us we want to deny it. We want a rational explanation for it. So instead of caving into the natural fear of the moment over what just happened. You proceed to get a try to get a rational all it was the cat. Or something like that you search automatically or you you feel a compulsion to go and search for a rational explanation.

33:31That might make sense. Top of the morning on our first time caller line you're on the air. Hi, is it third? Yes, it is. Welcome to the program. Where are you please? I am in Seattle. Seattle, Washington, all right? The most livable city in the nation and I don't care what the people in Cincinnati say. Hey, we're talking about spooky, eerie weird kind of stuff happening. That's true. Well I have a story for you that will probably won't send goosebumps up your spine. It will probably make you go in that sweet. That's possible. I had an aunt that I was very, very close to actually a great aunt. Very close to her. She was kind of I just always kind of looked up to her in life. She was kind of my... Sure, mentor. I mentor thanks. And I had gone out to the cemetery as I do once a month to put flowers on her, her grave and kind of trim the grass and all that. And as I was driving around the curb you have to go downhill and around the curb to go out of the cemetery.

34:33She ran out in front of my car and I thought no one's seeing things but when somebody run or something runs out in front of your car what do you do? You fly on the brakes. I got rear-ended by two other cars, one of them being with security guard at the cemetery. I jumped out of the car thinking oh my god I'm going to pay for this once you're the note. Went back to make sure the people and the other two cars were okay and both of them said well that woman shouldn't have run out in front of you like that. And I said well you saw her too and they said of course we saw her. And I said well I don't really remember what she looked like. I knew what she looked like but you know I wanted to check things out. Now when you went around the check the front of your car there was I take it no woman. There was no dent I mean I didn't hit her she just kind of ran out in front of the car across the street and up this hill towards where there's kind of some wood. And everybody there was a family in the car behind me in the security guard also exactly the same person.

35:34A year after that I went to the cemetery and drove down the hill, went around the corner and the family exact thing happened again and I was rear-ended. You're wrong this is a ghost bump story. They saw the same person and I guess the point that I'm getting at is I see my aunt all the time I fear when I'm in town. I don't know if it's somebody that looks like her but I just feel that she has a lot to do with the things that have been happening in my life. I feel like she's always... Do you tend to see her at critical junctures in your life? You know that's funny you should say that a month ago I was in the hospital facing major surgery and the door opened one night and she came in and took my bed and took my hand and said the doctors are wrong. They've misdiagnosed you need to tell them that the next morning I asked the doctor to rerun test because I felt something wasn't right and sure enough the test had come out wrong and I didn't need surgery. Oh man.

36:35I've got to run around a time but believe me that's a prime... You're a watch she's there and she's taken care of me so I have a good guardian angel. Thanks thank you for the call my gosh what a story. I didn't mean to cut you off but we're out of time and I think we got the substance of your story and believe me sir you're wrong that's a big goose bump story. Big goose bump story that's incredible. Of course it might be some evidence that there are spirits of all temperaments. In other words spirits not only that are evil spirits that are helpful or loving may be there as well. Spirits of all kinds kind of like a cross section of the people that we've got on the planet right now. Good morning line two you're on the air. Yes good morning. Good morning. I want to tell you something that you just keep my mind after listening to everyone else.

37:40Well these have already been some pretty good stories haven't they? Yes they have. In 1955 we had moved from Eileen Nevada which was a very famous mining town etc. a very old town and we had moved over to Proel Utah in 1953. In 1955 on December of 18th I woke up with a terrible dream that someone in the family had died and I didn't know who it was and I immediately teed on to my cousin who was still residing in the same town in Eileen. I called her that night and I asked her how everything was going and everything and there were three kids in the family then or four kids in the family then and her mother was pregnant with number five. She said well everything's fine you know and I said well I was going to call him wish married Christmas. On December 21st I woke up and it was some ridiculous hour like 12 30 or something and I'm in school and I'm a young person and I said somebody's gone and I laid awake and waited for the full terrain and it rang and it was my cousin's uncle had died in a car accident.

39:01I thought oh wow this is pretty weird you know and then I had been experiencing other things throughout my life and during 1970 I was visited in my mirror by my father my biological father who I did not know was deceased. That would scare me to death that might scare me to death to look in a mirror I hear stories like these men and that would really fright me how solid did the vision seem to be. The first thing was it was a new home well it was new to me and my husband and of course my first child was born while we were there and I was pregnant with my second child and we had just bought a new bedroom set and set it up and everything and my husband was away a lot he was active in mining and stuff and all of a sudden just out of a clear blue sky I woke up.

40:06I saw this strange light it was like light in the mirror and it got brighter and brighter and brighter and I got scared I really did. I understand. All of a sudden it just like it came out of the mirror and there was my biological father I had not seen him since I was a child. Wait a minute wait a minute it came out of the mirror out of the mirror in a solid form. It was my biological father and I had never seen him since I was three years old. And you had a conversation with this man? Yes I did. Yes I did. And what he said he said not to be afraid and he said kiss the children for me and it just it just cheers to my eyes I was so frightened and you know that was a piece. It was just amazing. Believe me I understand that cross of emotions I have got to go thank you so much for the story.

41:07Do you hear her voice at the end? Did you hear that? Do you believe that lady I do? Do you believe these stories? I do. Do you understand what it means? I think I do. Is there life after this one? I think there is. Are these things we don't understand? They certainly are. Are they a little frightening? They absolutely are. All I can conclude so far is that in the matter of somebody's death which is violent or is unexpected or in the matter of somebody who dies and has something that they must do, something they didn't finish, somebody they didn't say goodbye to, somebody they wanted to tell that they loved.

42:19They didn't get a chance to. Children that are left behind that you wanted to be sure understood that you loved them because what could be more important at that time? Really nothing. Does all this add up to life after death? I think that it does. That's why we do these programs. Good morning everybody. You're listening to Coast to Coast AM from Los Megas. I hear the drums that go into night.

43:42From the Coast to Coast AM Archive, you're listening to the best of our bell. This program was originally broadcast October 30, 1993. Art will be live tomorrow night for his annual Ghosts to Coast AM here. If you're just tuning in, we are exploring areas that some would say we ought not. Ghosts, the paranormal, things that people have seen and heard. If you'd like to be part of it, pick up a telephone and join in.

44:44You're back on the air, sir. I thank you, aren't you? There was things just out that were in wood. I answered all this activity started being placed in the house. I haven't had any sightings. You don't have to see something to be haunted. A lot of older guys, the activity they don't see things. But electrical sockets burning out, doors getting slammed. Her father came out to the house. He is in construction and a contractor. Did some work on the sockets and toasters would plug in and then they burn out. One day a woman from the first came over to pay her a visit. Comes into the house, has a small three or four-year-old child. The child says he sees a lady in the hallway. A little while later, he's playing in the hallway. The door slam shut. The woman, the mother, the child, and the woman on the house, it takes them 20 minutes to get the door unstuck. At which point the mother becomes hysterical. A little kid is scared because the lady was, he had felt or thought he had seen the lady there. They finally did get the door unstuck. There was no reason for the door being stuck.

45:47Mother and child left the house, haven't been back since. Theory. You were talking about how a lot of these people get separated from their bodies. The Indians and a lot of people believe that people who are addicted to drugs or drink alcohol get separated from their spirit. I've heard that. If somebody gets separated from their spirit because of drug abuse or they weren't ready to leave because they've died of violent death, then I think if they don't, if there's that separation of body and spirit like that or the Indian Saddle Punch drugs and alcohol will punch holes in your spirit, if you beat your spirit up or yourself up, you may wind up being grounded here. Well, that would seem to happen, wouldn't it? I mean, story after story after story. And like you say, they looked into it and they had found out that yes a woman had died their years earlier. And then later on they looked into it and discovered that the cause of death was a heroin overdose. And this is one very angry spirit. Some people get in that house and they're fine.

46:48Some people aren't going there and they aren't fine. Well, if it does punch holes in the spirit, that's a big hole. Now, they try to get my girlfriend to babysit out there, a house sit rather. And when she found out about the house, she didn't want to go. And so there's some sensible information for your listeners to come. I appreciate it. I appreciate it, sir. And I appreciate the call. Thank you. Okay. Right. Bye. You know, you asked yourself that question. Would you go into a haunted house if you knew it was haunted? If the story was that it was haunted and there were spirits lingering there, would you go in? Top of the morning you're on the air. Coast to Coast Amard, Art Bell, where are you coming from? Hi, Art. It's not like city. It's not like city, yes. Listen, sir. I'd like to interject a note of caution from the cultural mecca of all that is the United States. First of all, if I have also before I can with the death of Vincent Price, I want to say you made it into my top four American heroes, sir. Oh, well thank you. All right. Anyway, listen, I had an experience with the Ouija board and just a note that be, you know,

47:50biblically, I don't know how you feel about Christianity. But the scriptures do tell us that ghosts, you know, the spirits of the dead do not come back to haunted living. In fact, they're demons taking manifestations in order to fool the relatives of those who have already passed on. Well, how then, if that's the case, do you account for some of the stories like we've heard this morning, the lady with a car and no brakes, spirits that seem to be those of departed loved ones that are here to help? Well, a lot of times, you know, you don't have the full stories. A lot of these spirits may be, you know, intending to appear as benevolent when, in fact, the intentions made me very malign. That's not what I wanted to talk about. I want to give you my own experience very quickly. Sure. What I was doing is I was playing with a Ouija board alone a long, long time ago. Bad idea. Bad idea. And I began having an argument with the planchette. Wait, I thought, this is nonsense. This is my own energy. You know, there's nothing in this. And at one point, every time that I would push the planchette to the S, the phone ring.

48:51And so I asked the, you know, I asked the board if it were, in fact, ringing the phone. And it moves to the S position. Well, I ran across the room to answer the phone, the phone kept ringing. And there was this, it was a crackling line. It sounded the voice was distant miles away. Yes. Ancient voice. And it says, you shall. And I didn't have the guts to listen to it. I hung the phone up. Phone up. And for the next seven years, this, you know, phenomena have been, been happening in my life. For example, I'm passed by cars. Haven't you forever more if I can stop you wondered, you shall, you shall, you shall what? I don't know. I don't know how could you hang up? I really did not want to know. I didn't want to hear what it was going to say. Okay. But it is a warning, don't you know, that the, I've had an aversion to the paraphernalia of the occult ever since. And I think, you know, there is a, I have a lot of respect for Ouija boards. I've had an experience with one myself and I won't even talk about it. Well, as I said, it may answer your question of whether or not you would spin around and see what it was there that was manifesting itself.

49:53So we're going to a haunted house. I've done it in, in sense, the experience. But in every case, I've, I've rooted. I appreciate your concern. Certainly. I have a good morning. All right. That's all late city with a caution and a, and a well given caution, it was too, I might add. Well given caution, you be careful. There are lots of things out there that we don't understand. And I think, I think the possibility exists that Ouija board is just inviting trouble. Line three, you're on the air. I heard how you do it. Fine, sir. Welcome to the program. You're a good show tonight. Thank you. I have a question that called the call last hour about the glowing gravestone. Yes. There's a phenomenon called St. Elmo's fire. Yes. But St. Elmo's fire tends not to return predictably to the same place again and again.

50:54Yeah. During a, not saying it wasn't, I'm just saying that on many occasions, the caller said he saw this glowing gravestone and that it would be St. Elmo's fire that many times is not possible. That's true. But then instead, be, be something you really want, would want to see once and I think I'd be about it. That'd do me. Yeah. Well, take it easy. Thank you. Just wanted to suggest that possibility. I guess, hi, on the first time caller line, you're on the air. Hi. Where are you, sir? I'm in Alaska. Alaska, all right? I was in the United States Marine Corps and I was a sniper. And I was, I went to Grenada and I got hit in the knee with a bullet. And my, from pictures in the family, it was my great, great, grandfather in a civil war uniform that sat down and froze my leg and the Grenada is a jungle.

52:01And he said, everything will be okay, boy. Everything will be okay. And this first time I've talked about it other than to the military psychologist and... All right. Let's look. If you don't mind, I want to be sure I understand. You were part of the invasion force. You were a sniper. You were in Grenada. Yeah. My job, my job was to make sure nobody, none of the Cubans got into the students at the university. Uh-huh. And so you were stationed there and you were just going to take them out if you had to. Yes. And... And anti-sniper got me. My egg-unner ended up getting him. Hits you in the leg? Yeah, in the knee. In the knee? Oh, God. Oh, it went from the knee, it ended my military career, went from the knee up around the pelvis bone and out the other ankle. The bullet traveled my whole, my, all the horrible injury. Yeah, it hurt. Very much so. And so you were laying there?

53:02Yeah, I could be all instantly fell. There was nothing I could do. And like I say, through pictures of the family photo album, it was my, I think it'd be three great. He was in the Civil War and it'd be three great grandfather's sat down and froze my leg. My leg was frozen, not carterized. It was frozen. Frozen? The whole wound, which is something nobody's been able to explain. And he said everything will be okay now, boy. Everything will be okay. And left? Yeah. How's your, what did the medics say? Medics, they were just asking me what we'd done, how we'd done this. Where did we get ice? Nobody could understand the psychologist told me that it was in the lust of battle and that I lost a lot of blood and that I wasn't sure what, what's happening. But my spotter who is also a sniper, he felt something cold as he was taking the other man out. And he has shot before it wasn't, you know, it's not the coldness you feel when you take a man out.

54:08I understand. It was completely different. And, you know, I was scared, but at the same time there was this great feeling of purity. And just a joy of knowing that I had a family member there, because I really thought that I had, you know, the pain that I was feeling. I knew where I was, I knew where the bullet went out. I didn't know what the damages were. That's the most incredible story I've ever heard and I really appreciate your call sir. Thank you. Wow. For that one, I'll take a quick break. We'll be right back. Good morning, you're on the air. Coz... It would have been. We were a dial tone. A spirit of a dial tone. A Wal-Kard Line 3, you're on the air. Hello, Art. Hello. Yes, I have a, this is Mark from Anderson, California. Hi, Mark. Yeah, I had a situation that happened a couple years ago, sitting at a friend's house, and it was about one o'clock in the morning.

55:11And this, we were sitting there talking about, you know, people that we've known throughout our lives. And I was sitting in a chair and all of a sudden, I bent over an extreme pain. I mean, it took me to the floor, out of the chair, onto the floor, in my right side. And then I kind of got a headache and we were just, for some reason, my friend Craig and I both noted the time. Right. The thing that was strange was the next day, my friend was looking through the paper and noticed that a friend of mine had been killed. She was, I used to work at a convenience store and she used to come in and her parents didn't really listen to her. And I was kind of like her mentor. I was her founding board, you know, when she had problems. And he told me that this young lady named Kelly had died. And I knew the area where she had been hit by a car. I knew that much. And I went out into the area and I was just kind of walking around.

56:14By feel, I found the area where she was hit just through whatever I have in myself that told me. You just knew it. I just knew it. And we were kind of kicking around and I, we saw one of the sheriff's deputies, a car go up there and I went and flagged him down and asked him if he had been working the night she got killed. And he said yes and I told him that she was a friend of mine and I said to him, I know this is going to sound morbid. But what side of her body did this truck impact her on? He told me that the initial strike hit her on the right side fracturing her pelvis. She flipped up over the truck and landed on her head and was killed immediately. Now this was within five minutes. This is the night before I had fell over. This was in five minutes at that time that the time of death was pronounced. And my belief is that she came to me and said goodbye.

57:16And it was just too weird and a friend of mine, if you'd like, he was there. I told him if you would like, he could call back and verify because he was there and he was kind of freaked out as a couple days where we talked to the sheriff's deputies and stuff. I'm just convinced it happens. People come back, people do come back and they do say goodbye. My friend and I are researching a book on, we're going to be writing a book basically on ultraguys and demonology. And I was wondering if either I could give you an address that people could write letters to because we're looking for input or if you prefer that I mail it to you. Well, if I were you, I would roll a tape on this program. Okay, well I realize that otherwise I'll see what I can do. Okay. Alright, thank you. You might want to, you really might want to get a copy of this program because these are some of the most serious stories that I've ever heard.

58:20And I don't know where you could go to get a better rendition of stuff that'll just put the hackles right down your back. This is pretty good this morning. On our first time caller line you're on the air. Where are you, please? I'm going from Denver. Welcome to the program. Thank you. Art, I want to tell you that that Ouija board, if you mess with that, if happened to me when I was nine years old, it's an entrance for a satanic spirit to enter your body. And Dr. Ken Olson who was on the Mori Porvich show. Mori Pulvich. Yes, sir. Thank you. He was the person that released that terrible demonic spirit. And I'd happened to me when I was nine through age 54, the worst type of satanic deprivation that could ever enter a human body. And I'm telling you, believe it alone, don't allow anyone to touch or be around or play around with a Ouija board.

59:26Because if you don't have someone like Dr. Ken Olson who is an exorcist, a vessel of Jesus Christ, he is an instrument of God to pray to release that it can cause the worst type of nightmares that you could ever have. And the worst type of life that you could ever have. And I want to tell you the truth than your listeners to never be around a Ouija board or allow any type of activity. Well, I'm glad you gave everybody else the caution. I don't need it. Leave me. I've got that caution. Thank you for the call. That's dendr. And heed what that man says. Ouija boards are bizarre things that do seem to, you know, hate to use the word door, open the door, but open the channel, open a conduit for things that you really don't want around you.

1:00:35Line three, you're on the air. Good morning. Okay. I'm calling from Reno Reno. Okay. Oh, yes. And the concern is the old mining camp of Virginia City. What are the big mines? Excuse me. The big mines abandoned for many years. What are 700 miles of shafts and tunnels and drift and winters underground? 200 miles. Big lab breath. And I was having lunch with my parents in Virginia City and knocking at the back door and he came. I know a friend of my dad's very agitated. A big lump in his forehead and the split this cut and the brothers coming down. Folks passed him up and he like many of the old retired miners. He liked to roam through the abandoned mines. The examples of and stuff like that. And he was that in the mine called the ward mine.

1:01:35Oh, at least the Virginia City. Is that W-A-R-D ward? Yes. And I think I just see how this carbide lamp in his head. And he turned the corner and came down the corridor there. You know, kind of eliminated. Was a man buried up almost to his head in the cave in dirt. His arms were free and he was shaking him and waving his head back and forth. His face was contorted and obviously a cave in there. My friend was so startled that he turned around and started to run the timber over the roof of the mine. And he ran into it as we got that knock on the head. Well, when he told the story around town people just laughed and said, well, you must have bumped his head first and had a... Sure.

1:02:35...survely years later. From mining engineers were looking at the maps of the old mines and they were examining the ward. And it has all the details. And said, my goodness, there was a fatal cave in the tunnel number so-so. And that was the one. That is really eerie. True. That's really eerie. I understand, sir. I understand. I really thank you for the call. OK, Art. And so there you go. There is a mining story. A man buried almost to his head who would dive violently and quickly and unexpectedly. The worrisome part, of course, of that is if that is to be the manner of your death or mine. Would we be forever trapped here on earth in such a destined to repeat such a gruesome experience again and again?

1:03:40Though it wasn't something that was from some deviant behavior that we had exhibited, but simply the unlucky moment of a minecaving in Honus. Line one, you're on there. Morning, Art. I thought I'd give you a call. Been listening to these programs. I've given experience a couple of years ago coming in on 163. I was approaching Global Canyon turnoff. And you know where the old Christmas tree used to be? Yes. OK, right after that fire. It was lightning and we were joking around as we were driving. And I said, you know, and they finally might just show me that you're out there. And a couple of times a lightning struck and so finally again I said, you know, just show me that you're out there meaning God. Well, superior being, yeah. Oh, God, who knows. And listen, would you hold through my break? It's a good place to break it any time. OK. All right. Show me you're out there.

1:04:40Prove it to me, huh? Oh, God.

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1:06:45And join us. This is Coast to Coast AM, I'm Art Bell, back now to line one year back on the air again sir. Okay, thank you. Well anyway, to make a long story short, We were just joking around and again, Like I said, it's sort of like a challenge, you know, Make me a believer. And about that time, Literally two bolts of lightning came right across the front of the truck. And and hit the side of the road about, Oh, maybe 400 yards up from where we were traveling. And it was just like out of a star war. I mean, it was one bolt from one side of the car, One from the other. We pulled over and set there for about five minutes And drove on up to mountain pass and like I said, Tell me something. Did you said this mentally crying out or had you said it allowed? We were talking about and I in the conversation, We said I said it out loud, I told him I said, Bill, I said, you know,

1:07:45Let me just show me out there, God, if you're out there, Make me a believer. And you know, a couple of strikes around us. But then, you know, well, that was close. Let me know the sign, make sure that you can hear me, you know. Well, I'm glad you didn't ask for absolute peace. Well, tell you what, I've never asked for something again that I didn't want. Oh man, what a story. Now, how has this affected you and how has it affected Bill? Well, we talk about it occasionally. And like I said, we just look at each other and check our heads. And I said to me, it's a thing in life now. I don't ask for anything that, you know, in a joking manner anymore. It's been said, be careful what you wish for. I might come true. Thank you for the story. Take care, that's a, I was quite a story. That's a local story too. That's a road I travel every day. And it's a dark road.

1:08:47And it's a dangerous road that I travel. Highway 160. I do about 120 miles a day on it. There have been a lot of people killed. There are a lot of crosses placed on the road side. Does it make the place where it's occurred? I've never seen anything. Not yet. Good morning on the first time caller line you're on the air. Hi, I'm Collin from Genoa, Nevada. Where in Nevada? Inoa. Genoa, Nevada. A Genoa. Genoa, where is that? It is just about 10 miles south of Carson City. It's the first Nevada settlement. Very good. And anyway, I was, it was about two years ago. My story, I'm a recovery now, Catholic. And I was going out with a girl who had just gotten to recovery. And we were in counseling and we were doing a bunch of inner child work. And you know, one of the reasons we got along so well,

1:09:49our therapist says because we played so well together. Well, this whole relationship went sour. And she began dating the third man. And they were going to move to Cleveland, Ohio. And anyway, so one night, I'm laying in my bed. And this therapy work that we're doing with inner child gets to close your eyes and imagine this child. And you know, what the child was doing at the time. And I was laying in my bed and my eyes were open. And all of a sudden, this little girl, about eight years old, and she had a pixie haircut and kind of a, she was wearing shorts and a small hall to top came up. And she was standing right next to my bed. And my eyes were wide open. And it was that my girlfriend is like, you know, a smaller version of her, right? And this girl, without opening her lips or anything, said, you know, to me, I've come to play with Chris,

1:10:55who was like, and that's my name in my inner child. So anyway, so anyway, so this little girl is standing there. And she's talking to me. She says, and I'm leaving. I'm moving. And I wanted to come and play. And so she started taking off with this other little kid, you know, I'm assuming it was me. And they're running. And all of a sudden, then I don't see walls in my room or anything. I just see them out like in a field running. Wow. And I keep saying out loud to this girl, who I was, you know, since not dated, Gary, do you feel this? I was wondering if there was a connection between her and me. Right. And I kept saying, do you feel this? Are you here? Do you, you know, are you seeing what I'm seeing? And then actually I got done playing. And this went on for, I'm gonna guess 10 minutes. And then the little girl walked back up and said, thank you. And that she was leaving. And that, you know, hopefully she would come back to see us again.

1:11:58And I had told her, I'm talking to her, actually, to this. She was transparent, but she was still standing right there. And I was telling her, I said, you can come back anytime you want. It was not a fear thing. I was not afraid. Why not? Well, because she was, because I guess because it was somebody you knew, somebody you know. Right. She was just, she was just, you know, eight years old, nine years old, and just real shy. And, you know, I would like to think I could react as you did. I'm gonna have to leave the line, because we're out of time. I thank you for the call. I would like to think that I would react that way. And maybe, maybe, if it was somebody that I had known, somebody that I was comfortable with. And the experience felt benign. Maybe I would be. But I'm not sure of that. LINE II you're on the air.

1:13:00Hi, I'm John Las Vegas. Yes, sir. I'd like to relate an experience I had. But first I'd like to see if I can jog your memory. Last time I called in was a year or so ago. And you had put out a question over the year. And I think it's someone I've put up tonight also. The question that you put out was that night was, what do you think the purpose of life is? That's right. And my call to you was a story that was related to me and I told you the panel was a try. I believe they're accepted it is that we were, this is where I want to see if I can jog in memory. We were all gods and goddesses and we had everything and could do everything. And so we decided to play a game and the game was called Life and part of the rules of the game. I remember. Yeah, okay. You're right. The question and tonight's topic go together very well. Go ahead now. Some years ago in the late 60s I was living in Los Angeles and I made a couple of acquaintances.

1:14:00They had a small business going. One was a writer, the other was a printer, an artist and they had made up copies of a poster that they came up with. And in our dealings they asked, would I sell the poster for them? I agree to and for a while I sold it around Los Angeles area to bookstores and so on. And then they suggested wanting to make a trip to the Bay Area, San Francisco and see how it would go up there. It was during the time of the heat ash brewery thing, during the hippie days. Oh, I remember the time. And so I agreed to make a trip and I went up there and the evening that I arrived in San Francisco, I before I decided to get a hotel and decided to eat and a restaurant and then after that I went to a piano bar so I kind of rest for a while and listen to some music. And I fell asleep next to me at the piano bar and I got to talking and I let him know that I was up from L.A.

1:15:01And he said, well, you don't have to get a hotel. There's a house that I know of that isn't being occupied right now and I've got the key and you're welcome to use it. I went to the house and it was on a street of the old Victorian homes that are so frequent in San Francisco. This was about a middle of the block and it was the only one in the whole row of Victorian homes on that block that was set in from the others. I thought that was interesting. I went up the porch and unlocked the door and turned on a light and went inside. But as I answered, I got a very uneasy feeling in my gut and as I got further into the place, into the house, that feeling got stronger. And I just figured, well, on easy as in you shouldn't be there. Yeah, exactly. Listen, we're short on time. Oh, I wanted to get the story out.

1:16:03Anyway, so I walked into the kitchen and which is all in the back. And there were windowed, multi-windows and a windowed door and I opened the door and was going to step out. And I paused and I looked down and there were no stairs and it was about ten feet straight down. I then proceeded into the living room and I've got a much more uneasy feeling. We're about to run out of time. I went up the stairs slowly and I got to the head of the stairs that were two bedrooms. It could not enter either of the bedrooms. I just had to leave. It became unbearable to be there even though my mind was saying, there's nothing wrong here. There's nothing wrong here. I just couldn't stay. It was extremely uncomfortable. All right, we're going to have to hold it there. Thank you very much for the call and good morning. Have you ever had that happen? Something inside of you so strongly compelling you to leave telling you that something is urgently, terribly, profoundly wrong.

1:17:08Good morning. First time caller line, you're on the air. Good morning, Arpeggle. Yes, where are you calling from? This follow. Follow and catch it. Yes, you have something that relates to all this follow? Yes, I do. That's amazing. All right, let's hear it. Usually people that enter into my domain receive an eerie feeling when they see all of the murals and... I can only imagine what your area looks like, Bob. But there's one room in my house that is a shrine to you, the Hube. Hitler. Yes. And when you walk in, the presence is so strong that the power... you feel the power. Thank you, Pablo. That is Pablo, who is in Canada. He's up in the Edmonton area, I believe.

1:18:10And Pablo is a Nazi. He really is a Nazi. And he was talking about what he does now. And his shrine, I don't have to be there to imagine what it is like. And I can easily imagine that it imparts the exact feeling that he was just talking about. Eerie. While card line three, you're on the air. Good morning. Morning, Mr. Bell. Call him from Albuquerque. Albuquerque, yes sir. I just took real quick story. Not quite as heavy as most of them, but I guess I was about two years old. My father told me about this. I had a favorite uncle. And I can't really remember his name right now, because again I was two years old. Well, it's called Uncle Joe. So I guess I was a clear blue sky one day. I just... I wanted to go see Uncle Joe. And now, it's too far away. It's about a hundred mile drive or something. This was back in the 50s. And I guess I had a vet, according to my father, and I just had to go see Uncle Joe.

1:19:10So they decided that we can go to Uncle Joe. So we went after him and had a nice visit. And then a couple weeks later he died. So then, you know, that a short time later, say a couple months later, I wanted to see another relative. And of course they didn't die, but my dad said he just about... They just felt like crazy. They were afraid that something was going to go wrong with this role. In other words, they figured that you had some pre-cognitive. They said after the first time they figured that they were afraid of... I don't know if anybody's name. It's just a short little story. Oh, well, I appreciate it. Get off the ear because you get a lot of good stories, I don't want to ask. Yeah, they've been... They really have been some tremendous. Thanks for my show. Thank you. I want to go see Uncle Soneso. Quickly call him, tell him to stay in the bedroom. I don't think it works like that, though, do you? I think that things that are going to happen happen. Don't you?

1:20:12Or do you think that... that with the help of somebody who's been around before, some things that might happen otherwise would not or can be avoided, like the lady with the story about the brakes? Line 3, you're on the air. Hello, line 3. No, you're not. While card line 3, you're on the air. Card? Yes. I'm calling from Anchorage, Alaska. Welcome to the program. All right. I was going to tell you a story that happened to me about three years ago. All right, go right ahead. All right. I was living... I was staying with my friends, and my mom loves up here in Anchorage, Orange King Samson. And she was telling me to shut up a bad dream or whatever about me getting a wreck over the weekend. And I was like, well, you know, just, you know, just, you know, just drugged it off or whatever, didn't think about it. And, sure enough, the weekend came around and, yeah, I've gotten a really serious motorcycle wreck. Oh.

1:21:12And I've gotten... it was in the hospital for a long time, and everything. And, you know, she was in the hospital, but she was like, you know, she just couldn't believe that it actually happened or whatever. And she was sitting there trying to explain to me what really went on that night, that she had the bad dream. And she said that someone had actually came to her that night while she was asleep or whatever, and woke her up. She didn't know who it was, no face, and not that. And they kind of... And told my mother that I was going to die at the end of the week. Really? And she told me I was just supposed to get in the wreck or whatever, just try to be careful. And she didn't tell me I was going to die. She was told I was going to get in the wreck. And she thought she was like, tell me when... Why, why, if she would tell you that, I'm curious, if she would tell you, be careful or you're going to be in a wreck. And she would go to all that trouble to caution you about that. Why wouldn't she give you the original message and try to warn you away

1:22:15or try to change what was to be? I really don't know. I'm just assuming she didn't probably want to worry in your scare mirror, whatever, because she had these... I'm not saying she's psychic or nothing, but she'd done the same thing to her real father, her real father, which really did we stick down in Florida and no one knew anything about her. So she called down and talked to one of her sisters, a good time to check on her. Check on him. And sure enough, he went there. If they wanted to check out, he'd check him out and everything. And they found him on the floor. He was not the greatest help or whatever. It's just been a couple of weird coincidences or just something that's definitely got some sort of weird power, not power, but just some sort of gift, I guess, or something. I'd take it any similar caution given now. You would really... Yeah, most definitely. Yeah. All right, thank you very much for the call. All right. You take care from the state of Alaska.

1:23:16Line one, you're on the air. Oh, it's me. It's you. Oh, hi. My name's Donna, first time caller. Hi, Donna. And I'm coming from Vegas. I used to live out there in Perump, and I have quick stories, and both of them happen while I was living out there. All right, go right ahead. It is a strange place. Yeah. Well, one of them, the first one is I was dating this girl in St. George, and I happened to be there late for one weekend, and I had to be back in Perump for work the next morning, when I was there two late, so I stayed tonight at her house in their guest bedroom. And I had already gone to sleep. You know, the doors were shut, and the lights were off and everything. Right. And for some reason, I woke up, and I looked towards the door, and I could see, I don't know, three, four or five people looking in at me. So I rubbed my eyes, and I thought, you know, I was seeing something,

1:24:16and after I rubbed my eyes, I saw someone standing next to me in the bed. And you know, how you can see, even though it's dark, you can still kind of see him. You had, I could tell he was blonde. And I was about to say, say something to him, ask him what he's doing, because they didn't appear to me that he might be a spirit. And just before I started to talk, he proceeded to fall on top of me. And I jumped back, and... So you felt the physical presence? No, I didn't feel it. I jumped back, because I thought someone would get a fall on top of me. And as soon as he was about to fall on top of me, he disappeared. And that was in Perump? No, that was in St. George. All right, and now you've got a story about Perump. Yeah, I used to play football out there in Perump.

1:25:16I graduated in 82, and I think I was a junior at the time. All right, listen, hold on. I'm going to put you on hold. I'm going to do a newscast, and I'm going to come right back to you. All right, stay right there, and he's got a story about my hometown, Little Perump Nevada, which I'm sure in large numbers, is listening this morning. So all of you out in Perump get ready, because here comes a story that comes from right there in town. It is a very odd place, and in Perump Nevada, which is Nye County, there are brothels for it is a legal business there, and in one of those brothels, there are has for years and years and years, been a ghost named Harold. We'll be back.

1:27:24You're listening to a special replay of Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell. This program originally aired October 30th, 1913. Please do not call. Once again, here I am. Hi, everybody. What a what a program this morning, huh? And it's all it's all you. Thank you very much for a very, very, very, very unnerving, entertaining, provoking, eating. We're telling ghost stories, real ghost stories. If you have one, feel free to join us. If you don't sit back and listen, turn out the lights if you dare and the radio up. And you may well, well, may want to tell us as the morning wears on.

1:28:25How you're doing. Line one, you're back on the air again. Okay. And now Perump Nevada. Yeah. I was playing football form, and I think I was a junior, and we had an away game. So I was on the varsity bus, and my sister was on the junior varsity bus. And for some reason, the junior varsity bus got way behind us. And so we showed up at the high school, and I had the car with me. And so I decided to just stay there and wait for my sister with the car. And after everybody had left, I got in the car, and I laid the seat back just to go to sleep. And then next thing I noticed the bus, the JV bus came. And I could see people walking out. I could hear the voices. I recognized the voices. Then I woke up and looked out, and nothing was there.

1:29:29I didn't think much of it, because, you know, I just, I, oh, I'm just dreaming. Dreaming, you know. I went back to sleep, and I saw the exact same thing again. I saw the bus, saw the people getting out of the bus, heard the voices. And but this time I knew I was dreaming, and I tried to wake up, and I had a hard time. But finally I woke myself up, looked out, and there was nothing there. So then I decided to go back to sleep, you know, that was a little scary, but I went back to sleep. And I saw the exact same thing. Only this time I saw my sister walk up to the side of the car. She had one of her friends with her, and she was asking to be let in. And this time, and I knew I was dreaming again, but this time I had a real hard time waking up. And finally I had to scream just to wake up. And that time I decided I'm getting out of here.

1:30:29And so I just went home, and decided to wait for the phone call at home. And I've grown up in the country, so you know, being out in the country alone at night never really bothered me, but this really did. And I understand. I think it odd that you knew you were in a dream. I've never had that experience. My dreams have always been as reality until I woke up and knew. You know, when you wake up, you know, you have to dream, right? But I've never known in a dream that I was dreaming. And I lived about a half a mile from one of those houses of ill-reputed that you talk about. So you know how far I had to drive home. I do. I thank you for the call. All right, thanks. And, uh, yes and deed. I know the area. Good morning on our food. You would have been. Hello, card line stream said you're on the air. Hello. Hello, Art. I have a little story.

1:31:30This goes back to, excuse me about the early 70s. Where are you? I'm calling from Linwood, Washington, AVI in the next time. I was traveling across Nevada from Idaho down to California. And it was early in the morning. And I was outside of Winamaca about 5'30 or 6'o clock. And I was by myself. And, uh, I'm out of breath. Okay. Is, uh, is I was driving along? It was out in the desert area and there was absolutely uninhabited. And a car came up behind me with two inhabitants who, uh, they start following right on my bumper. And I became concerned because it became apparent they had, they were really interested in getting me stopped. And they would pull up alongside and, uh, motion me over and things like that.

1:32:30I was afraid that, uh, you know, I was afraid they were going to, to, uh, solve you, Rob, you, whatever. Uh-huh. Yeah, sure that would be natural. So, as we went along, this, this played out for, for, uh, several miles and, and they kept motioning you for me to pull over. And, and they, they come up alongside and, and I became quite fearful. Well, the, uh, odd thing happened. I had a flat tire and I could feel the, the car start to sway. Sure. And, and I pulled up to a stop and off to the right was a, uh, a house. And, uh, these, this car pulled up along and, and, and stopped behind me. And I didn't know what to do. I was afraid to get out. And somebody came out of this house to a pickup that, that was running. I mean, this was only house in the area. There was nothing else around. Right.

1:33:30And he locked out and he looked and one of the people in the car pointed to this guy. And then they, they went ahead and pulled on, by me and, and took off. So, I got out and, and I looked at the man and he, he was doing something around the pickup. And, uh, so I went ahead and, and got my tire out and changed it and, and, and went on my way. Well, uh, this, this left, you know, it just made me quite fearful. Yes. Well, uh, on the way back from, from California back to Idaho, I looked for this, this place, uh, to, I wanted to stop and, you know, it left such a, a mark on me. Psychologically. Sure. Uh, I found the place. It was totally uninhabited. No windows, no doors. Mm-hmm. It's the little shack. Yes. And what do you think happened to you? I mean, I, I honestly don't know. Uh, I, I honestly feel that, that something, uh, something kept me from being harmed.

1:34:32Something wanted to warn you. Yes. It did. Well, that's, that's, these two guys are ways. What happened? That's quite a story. Thank you. Welcome. Good morning. On our first time, call our line. You're on the air. Good morning. Yeah. Good morning. Uh, where, where are you, sir? I'm in Reno. Reno. My name's John. I'm from, uh, well actually I'm in Sparks. And then listening to your show and, uh, spooks and goblins here, and let me turn down this radio. Uh, just actually turn it off all the way. I was extinguished. It's out. Right. And, uh, I got an interesting story. Um, my wife used to, or my ex, like, used to dabble with, uh, Ouija boards and, uh, what have you and I, uh, understand exactly how you feel I can hear it in your voice. But, uh, we were horse and around with it one night. And, uh, following weekend, I had gone out fishing with a friend of mine and came back later that evening.

1:35:39And, uh, we watched TV for a while and went to bed. I guess about 11, 32 o'clock at night. And, uh, the back door, the house, and the front door, the house were in line with each other. And, uh, the bedroom was together in the house. Turned out, I was just dozing off. And I swore I heard the back door open. And somebody in heavy boots closed the door and walked through my kitchen. I went to my dresser drawer and I grabbed my 9mm and I took it out and I stand in the hallway thinking, got to help, I don't have to do this. I got locked and loaded and I swung out into the hallway and there was just enough residual light in the living room. And I could see the silhouette of this individual, that 6'3", pretty stocky person. And, uh, other than, the expliquitous deleted and told him the freeze right where he was or I was going to dump him. And you know the whole window shade where you're taking a pull down, you let him go and they just go up and spin around.

1:36:39Very well, yes. Yeah, well that's exactly what happened in the silhouette. Oh, oh, you're straight up. Really, just like a window to... Just like your window shade, it just went straight up and vanished. And, uh, that was a very puckering experience, you know what I mean? I know what you mean. And, uh, I'll never forget it. That, uh, we had other interesting happenings in the house too, at clocks that would mysteriously just slide off the shelf and drop onto the floor for no reason at all. Well, this has been sphincter tightening enough for me. Yeah, well, yeah, this is a lot of fun. So, I want to get off the air and listen some more. Alright, thank you, have a good morning. Whoa, boy. That's pretty descriptive like a window... Like that. That's kind of thing I'll put you on your knees for a while. Line three, you're on the air. Oh, hi, this is Chris in Custon City.

1:37:40Hi, Chris. Um, I'm calling... This is a story that my brother told. Alright. For me. Alright. And I have no doubt that it's true. He doesn't engage in line. But my brother was taken in that. First of all, my father passed away in June of 91. And he had a very sudden heart attack. I mean, I had dinner with him an hour before. He was perfectly fine with joking. People always say that he was fine. He was. And we were joking about a local casino. There were a lot of people I liked and he didn't. He was saying, well, if I go in there to catch a check with you, I'm going to take a shower because it's so greasy and on. He was a silky. Yeah. And he was very sudden. Nobody was expecting it. He died very quickly in his rocking show in a candy bar. And about six months later, my brother was taken in that. He worked graveyard and he had to sleep during the day. And he had somebody watching his children in the other room.

1:38:41Well, in his dream, he heard a phone ring. But he has no phone in his bedroom. In his dream, he heard the phone ring. And he picked up the phone and it's my father on the other end of the line. Now, my father was a compulsive gambler. And I think one of the things that killed him was the stress of having gambled away everything that he and my mom had. Guilt. And my brother said that he heard casino noises in the background. And the noises and slot machines. And he could tell that my father was calling for a casino. Yes. And he said, I need to talk to you. I need to make it quick. I've gambled away all my prayers. I've cast you on my prayers to make this call to you. And apparently, the way my dad said he said, the way my dad had it, people pray for you. And the prayers are part of the economy of this place where he was. And as many prayers as people prayed for you, that was the things that you could do. And he was using all his prayers to make this call.

1:39:41And he said, I have a message for you. And he said, you are going to die within a year. But that's not the message. I have a more important message that I really need to get to you. Before he could get the message to my brother, the phone went dead. And my brother woke up. But he came out of the room and he didn't think much about it except that it was a dream and the stress of my father having passed away. And my little niece came in and said, Daddy, who called you and why is there a phone in your room? And now it's been two years my brother isn't dead. And so I kind of discounted the whole thing except that my mom said that there are different ways of dying. Now when my dad died, my brother was always dependent on my dad for everything. And never really could hold a job, never really could do anything. As soon as my dad died, my brother started going to college. He started getting work, getting the job.

1:40:41Doing all the things that had your dad lived, he would want it. It would have wanted him to. I think that my dad was saying that, hey, the old Dan is going to die in a year. There's going to be somebody. There's going to be a new Dan. That's the way I see it. But there's a response of, there's a totally different man responsible taking responsibility in his life, doing the things in his life that he should be doing. I've got you. I've got you. You're lying. No, no, no, what the other message was. I can imagine. Thank you for the call. Thank you for the story. And a good one it was. Now there's lots of ways to die. Line one, you're on the air. Good morning. Good morning. This is Joyce's button from Topini, Shwashington. Hi Joyce. How are you doing, Slime? Just fine. Good. Oh well, first off, I wanted to tell you that I'm an Indian woman. And I really can identify what some of the things you're calling has been saying. But I wanted to talk about Uncle Joe.

1:41:41Uncle Joe, right? If you can remember that, fellow. Oh, I do very well, yes. Okay. I was married in 1977, too. A man that, well, they have a long book. I guess it dates back years and years ago. And really wasn't paying a whole lot of attention. It was going on in his life. But being an Indian woman, there's a lot of spirituality in my own family line. But I thought was really strange as how both of us kind of came together and a lot of really weird things were happening in our life. Of course, we're not married anymore. Thank God. But at the time, I didn't really understand what was going on with him. But looking back on it, I'm kind of scared that if I ever see him again, it'll be right before he dies. Because that fellow said, well, I've got to go see Uncle Joe. Everywhere he went, I know that his family, they were older.

1:42:41But he would go like to see, you know, he'd want to go see his aunt or his uncle or whatever. And right before he got there, they'd already be gone. And the same thing happened with the teacher that... He would be just a sudden impulsive. He didn't have these frequently. Right, but when he did have them, somebody actually died. Right. And I really wasn't paying a whole lot of attention, you know, what was going on. Until my foster father, who I was real close to, was he had a terminal illness. And we all knew he was going to pass away. He was dying of cancer of Runwood, the island. And I went over there and I said, hey, I've got to go. I've got to get ready right now. And I threw my things together and took off. And I have this vision. One of the first visions I've had, and I've had quite a few cents. But there was this airplane that looked like a tiny toy airplane and these three huge angels behind it. And then you could see inside this airplane in these past years.

1:43:41But this one past year, I couldn't see their face. And it was like a real tiny airplane. And it was wearing a gray jacket. Well, my husband had to work overtime and said that he couldn't go to see my father. And they were real close. Well, he came. There was a knock at the door and I looked out and there he was. And I was really thinking of it and I opened up the door. And there was this terrible feeling of gas that just went right through me. And my foster brother, who was a nurse, literally ran down the hall and he said, don't let me get him ready for you first. And I just got terrified and I took a look at his face and I said, let's go across the street and get a kid to come to our state of the neighbors. And halfway through the clearing, I felt my father die. And I just felt so horrible when I felt his spirit, you know, just leave. And of course, I knew my devil's dad and I went and tried to get him involved with looking, you know, seeing the children when we got back. My mom was having a glass of pite tray wine that has made wine himself.

1:44:45And she looked right at my husband's face and she just just looked hate in her eyes. And she said, well, he's dead, you know, like he had been the one to kill him. And all of a sudden I remember that vision of that gray coat and I looked at my husband. He was wearing that gray jacket and it was him. He was coming, you know, in that tiny plane. And that's how he had gone there. He had flown there, chartered a small plane to come into wood, and take an attack, see him come to the house. And all of a sudden all the pieces fit together and I looked back and I thought, oh my God, you know, he told me that he was going down the hall right before his father died. Well, listen, we're out of time, but if ever a woman had reason not to see an X. If you hear he's on the way to visit me, I'd grab the nearest passport and be headed out. I will. All right, thank you. Bye-bye. And while we're on the subject of airplanes, I have a very good friend that works for one of the major airlines in this country.

1:45:48Maybe the biggest airline, actually. And there are some planes and I'm intentionally not going to tell you which airline it is. Actually, they've made movies about it. But because of the violent nature of airplane crashes, companies that have been in the business for a very long time and have had crashes, no planes are haunted. There are some bone-chilling stories to be told about haunted airplanes. And because I don't want to compromise something that's been told to me, I'm not going to pass it on to you. I'm just going to say believe it. There are some airplanes that have more flying than just the paying passengers. Let me put it that way.

1:46:51Good morning on the first time caller line you're on the air. This is Alan from Birmingham, Alabama. Alan from Birmingham. Hi, Alan, how you doing? Still doing the stuff on the gun story? Oh, we sure are, Alan. All right. I got one for you. All right, me and my best friend, we've ever since we've met, we've been having strange occurrence of happening. Whenever we're around each other. And we could know what each other's thinking and something happens to one of us. The other knows about it and things like that. He joined the army about two and a half years ago. Alan, Alan, I have a break coming up right now. Now, might I ask that you hold through it so we can get your old story in? Okay. All right, good. Stay right where you are. That's Alan in Birmingham, Alabama. Back with us, animal.

1:47:59Thanks for watching.

1:48:59You're listening to a special replay of Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell. This program originally aired October 30, 1993. Please do not follow. Welcome back, everybody, to a night of, well, she expressed it well. I'm Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM back to Birmingham, Alabama now. Good morning. You're back on the air. Thanks for waiting. Yeah. All right. Okay. So, man, my best friend Lance is like, you know, we always kind of have like sort of like the same dreams and stuff. But we're always wondering how this happened and stuff.

1:49:59So, he got hurt while he was in basic training and he had a convalescent sleep and I was living in Hutzel at the time. Right. And we're always wondering why this was happening and everything. One night about 3 o'clock in the morning, all these dogs from the neighborhood started barking. You know, we was wondering what was going on. So, we walked outside and looked around and couldn't see nothing. And I said, we looked up in this tree and there was his red glowing eyes. It was real freaky. Red glowing eyes. Yeah. Okay. And about that time, the dog shut up and the whole neighborhood went black. And we couldn't find out the next day, all southeast Huntsville was in a blackout. And I was wondering, was this white, beagle tiger is like a shadow walked up in the yard. Yes. And I was wondering, I was wondering, is this man his Egyptian?

1:50:59And he said his name was Tony, which I found out there was a real, uh, his Egyptian astrologer, mathematician named Tony, who lived back in 380 or something like that. And he told us that, uh, why do we, who he was and everything, and, uh, that things would like this would happen. And sooner or later, he would tell us why and show us why. And every since then, we'd like to have dreams about him and everything. It's real weird because we'll, like, be dreaming, look. So he, in other words, he's never really left you. Right. It's like he said he'd be there to protect us with things like that. And Lancet had a currency where he's protected him while he's been in Germany and everything. But one of the strangest ones was last Christmas, he was at home. And, uh, me and him was out sitting in a living room who was going to, uh, leave and go outside,

1:52:02and his parents house. And, well, after those, we went, I went to open the door and says, open the door. It's like both me and him went flying back into the middle of the living room, the door shut. And about 20 seconds later, a car came by with a job by shooting. Oh, well, that's quite a story. Yeah. It's kind of freaked us both out. I understand, and I thank you for adding to this series of stories this morning. But, the thing about it is, he's in Germany. I'm here. We've been both having real weird dreams lately. And I talked to him about four days ago. He's telling me about his dreams and the same ones I'm having. Well, maybe there's more to go to this story. Keep us informed, all right? All right. Thank you, my friend. Line two, you're on the air.

1:53:02Morning. Can you hear me? I can hear you, but not well. I'm just going to make it better. Can you hear me now? Oh, but much better, yes. Okay. What I'm going to tell you, I've never told anyone before. It started many years ago. I was born in 1949 on in April. In April 5, 1952, five days before my third birthday, my older brother died. The only memories I really have of him is him laying in his coffin. He was very two days before my third birthday, and all my third birthday, he came back and talked to me. I was very little child, but I remember that very clearly. Since that time, and I'm 44 years old now,

1:54:04every April 10th, no matter where I have been in this world, he always comes back and talks to me again. How? I mean, what form does he take? How does this happen? He looks exactly like he did today. He looks like a four-year-old child. And it doesn't matter where I am. I mean, when I was a Vietnam, it doesn't make any difference. All I have to do is be by myself for even just a few seconds. My birthday, he always comes and talks to me, and he always tells me, he doesn't tell me anything that, you know, it's really revealing anything. He just tells me if everything is going to be okay and not to worry about it. How do you handle that? Well, it's been ever since I was a little tiny child, so it's normal for me. I mean, I don't tell anybody about this. I wouldn't tell you if it wasn't on the... What about your parents? What do I know? I know. What about your parents? As far as I know, they never have any...

1:55:07Nobody's... He always told me to not tell anybody, so I've never heard anybody else say anything about it, so I don't know. I just know that he talks to me every April 10th on my birthday. That's incredible. I'll tell you, I sure am honored that you decided to tell us... Well, I wouldn't tell you if you could know who I am, because you told me not to tell anybody, but like this, where you can't know who I am, it's okay. Thank you for the story. You're welcome. Good morning. Well, what do you think about that? Hmm? Sound credible to you? Sound like someone who's just calling to jerk our chain? I don't think so. Same way I feel about most of all the calls we've had this morning. This has been very good. If you've listened to all this,

1:56:07I think that you've got to be sitting there, wondering about all this. Hi there. First time caller line, you're on the air. Hello? No, are you there? Last chance? Yes. You are. Where are you, sir? I'm calling from Denver. Denver, Colorado. Welcome to the program. Probably one thing about the Go story thing. I was hardly ever a belief being growing up as a Christian. I really was, for the most part, taught not to believe in that. However, back in 1984, I was dating a lady, and she had told me that, through some friends of the family, she had the opportunity to go out to an old farmhouse

1:57:09south of the Denver area. And there was an opportunity for her to pick up some old, let it glass, some light fixtures, and some chandeliers from an old farmhouse that was on the property out there. So I agreed to go out there with her. We had gone to the old board of that farmhouse, and bear in mind all of the windows and the doors had been boarded over with two by fours. And I went to the front door, she was standing on the car. I think I played about zero out, and this was the first part of November. But we got inside the house, and went in there, and we were looking around at the different ornate fixtures that were in the farm. And I looked into the kitchen, I thought I could see a little boy about four or five years old.

1:58:13And I looked over there, and for a brief second, I was sure that I saw a little boy there. And it just came and went, and I didn't think at the time I thought, well maybe I was just imagining it. Well, another five minutes went by, and we were walking through there, and I looked over to Shelley, and I thought, I saw a little boy in here, and she said, oh, don't worry, you're dreaming, that's that me, other. And I walked into another rejoining room where the chandelier was, and had grabbed a little step still, and was getting ready to get up on that. Shelly let out this blood-thirtling screen, and came running in, and she said, there's a little boy in here. And I thought I saw something too, so we walked around on the bottom floor of the old farmhouse,

1:59:14and I said, if you did, you'll be real quiet, if we could hear him running through here, you know, we might be able to grab and find out what's going on, because if these temperatures little guys are going to freeze to death in here. Mm-hmm. We searched through the house, the stairway, I was standing by the stairway to the second floor, so I know that nobody could have walked past me. We just decided at that time that maybe we both saw something or possibly a cupboard door or something and caused shadow. Mutual hallucinations, something. Apparently, and we didn't think too much about it at that time. Well, I had taken the fixture down, and had eglased some cabinet doors that had the bevel glass in it, and we went outside and ran into a friend of mine who works for the power company,

2:00:15and he had saw my rig out there, and he was sitting out this pickup, making a radio call, and when we walked out there and got our rig, he said he didn't know if Shelley was my wife or not, I hadn't seen him for a while. All right, we're almost out of time here. I'll speed it up. Anyway, we had left and gone up to the new home that was built on this farm. It was built in about the 60s. We went up there to thank the people and got to meet the matriarch of the family, and her name was Grandma Anne. Wonderful lady. We went in there. We spoke to people, and we said thank you for letting tap of fixtures. Shelley had walked in there to where her grandmother's little, I guess, room, bedroom, you would call it next to a van, and we looked down, and we saw a little picture of the boy and two girls.

2:01:17Oh, boy. All right, I've got to hold it there. Thank you. So there was the boy. There was the boy. That's an incredible story. People coming back, people never leaving, people who die whose spirits remain here for some troubling reason, usually troubling. What a remarkable string of stories this morning. Good morning. On our first time caller line, you're on the air from where are you calling, please? I'm calling from Seattle, KVI. Seattle, yes sir. This happened about 11 years ago. I had a girlfriend who had been killed in a car accident by a drunk driver. She had died on, she had gotten in the accident on August 18th, and on August 20th, she had been pronounced dead, two months before her 20th birthday.

2:02:17On Halloween night, exactly, there was a party at the house where she had used to live. Everyone had her roommate who decided to have a party to try and get over the grieving process and whatnot. We had hired a band out of Everett, and I was over at the house to let the band end. The band had came, nobody knew about Lisa that had died. The head singer for the band had gone into the bathroom back by Lisa's bedroom. It was a female with dark hair. Lisa had had red hair. She was in the bathroom calming her hair, and she let out a scream like I have never heard before in my life. I went running back there, and she's standing there in the mirror just quite as could be. She looked at me and she said, somebody has died here, and I said, what do you mean? She goes, I looked into the mirror, and it wasn't my face.

2:03:17Then she said, I had described Lisa right to a key, and she walked out of the bathroom and turned and looked right at Lisa's room and said, that's her room. The first thing I thought was that these people were trying to play a very sick joke. I got together with a couple of other people, and we were talking about it, and this girl from the band kept wanting to leave. Before she had gone into the bathroom, she had been so excited about playing this gig. Later in the evening, I was standing in Lisa's bedroom, talking to somebody, and I looked into the window and saw her reflection from behind me, and heard her voice asking me to leave. I left the party, and then later that night, over $10,000 damage was done to that house by people getting out of hand. I just really believed, and you know, just sitting here, really calling it, I get the shakes like I did that night, and I just really believed that she had came back not wanting people sitting there getting grown.

2:04:24I'm kind of curious about something. How has this affected your spiritual life? Since that time, what's your belief system like? Are you now absolutely convinced that there is another life? Yes. I've been convinced when I was a child, my parents owned a mobile home, and they had told us that this mobile home was haunted, and have always told this story. And we always thought they were kidding with us, trying to scare us, and what not. Until this happened, I really didn't believe it. I still get the shakes. I'm sitting here shaking now, thinking about it. Hearing these other stories must be a very reinforcing experience for you. Yes, it is. Thank you for the call. And good morning. And if you're just joining us, welcome to the program. We're telling ghost stories, real ones. The place where Halloween is really occurring right here, it's called Coast to Coast AM. Good morning. Line three, you're on the air.

2:05:32My heart. Hello. Some incredible stories tonight. This is Margaret at Grand Stass, Oregon. But anyway, my story dates back to 1945. And the year of my birth, I might have. Well, you get that old? Oh, my goodness. 171. Oh, you got old? Yeah. Oh, my goodness. Anyway, my husband had had a commando training. I knew he was going into a battle in the Navy and advanced that's along. And I was just worried sick over him when he left because I didn't know where he was going, what was happening and everything. I went with a friend of mine down to all three streets. And I didn't I don't believe in fortune teller or anything. Well, maybe I do a little bit now. But anyway, then we went into this fortune teller and she was listening to a young girl who was there with a sailor.

2:06:44And after she was through, I said, well, I didn't want to rush her anything. You know, she said, well, that's okay. She all she was wondering was find out whether the boy liked her or something like that. Sure. Then I told her that I was worried about my husband and we had it only been married a short time. And she said not to worry about him. They take care of myself. That he would be just fine, but just take care of myself. So I didn't think too much of it. But sometime later I went by myself to an elderly man in Maywood and Southeast LA. And he was a fortune teller. And after he told me that he was going to be just fine, I should take care of myself and hold me all the way out to the car, kept telling me now. You watch out and you take care of yourself.

2:07:45Well, how come you didn't turn around and say, why? I mean, what's going to happen to me? I think I'd have to ask. Yeah, well, I just didn't believe in fortune tellers. Yeah, but I mean, we're talking the same message to tellers. Yeah, that's right. But I didn't link them together. All right. We don't have a lot of time. So what happened? What happened was that the JG, they came and he was just fine and everything was going great. And in October, I had a dream that the fact that I worked at, I was up on a mountain and I was looking down and there was a big explosion. And I rushed down there and there was one guy sitting there and he said, everybody got killed, but me. And not a week later, I was involved in an explosion and I was the only one that was hurt. And I was in the hospital and I think the first day they had a horrible heat street at the HIKENI.

2:08:55I asked God, he's let me die. The heat is terrible because all the good hospitals were filled up in the city. All right. We're about to not be able to continue. So I'm going to have to say we'll hold it there. Call me next hour if you can get through. Thank you. I'm sorry. But that's the end of the time. But not the end of the program by any means. The place where Halloween is really occurring. Right here, it's called Coast to Coast AM. And old cowboy would ride an out one dark and windy day. Up on a rich, he rested as he went along his way. When all at once am I the herd of red-eyed cows he saw, bowed to ragged sky, stand up for cloudy draw. Their brands were still all fire and their hopes were made of steel.

2:10:00Their horns were black and shiny and their hot breath he could feel. And I'm in the cool of the heat when everything is getting gonna prove it. I call you up there as if you'd like to go with me and see your moon. Well, you say no, got some plans for the land that you got and say, oh, and love is kind of crazy with a scoop of little girl at you.

2:11:00Always keep me guessing, I never see the no one you are thinking. Better so fellow, don't forget to put your shoulder on the ground and your wings in. I get confused because I don't know where I stand when you smile. And hold my hand, love is kind of crazy with a scoop of little girl at you. Forget, forget, forget, forget. From the coast to coastam archives you're listening to the Best of Art Thel. This program was a written broadcast October 30, 1993. Art will be live tomorrow night for his annual Ghosts To Go Stay M show. If you have a story for us come on ahead, we've only got one more hour of it and this is Gifts. Wow, card line three you're on the air good morning.

2:12:02Good morning. I kind of like a share story of all three stories if I have the time. Where are you, please? I'm in the middle eight California. Little eight California, alright, go ahead. The first time that I ever had some sort of strange experience I was lying in my bed in my eyes closed and I could see these faces floating through my room. And they were a lot like the faces out of the death pits of the concentration camps. They were hollow eyed and gaping mouths. And at first I was kind of mystified by it and seemed like minutes but I'm sure it was only seconds. And I thought to myself, well, if you're here for good you can stay. If not, if you're here for no goodness, go now. And immediately the faces disappeared. The other story, my husband was in the Pacific and he was fighting the Japanese.

2:13:11And there was a young marine that came back across the No Man's land and the Japanese were shooting everything they had. And when he got to their lines, he was riddled with bullet holes from his waist down his legs were all his bones and his legs were shattered. And whenever the chaplain asked how he got there, he only replied, my father brought me back. And whenever it came to find out, I think the Yank Magazine wrote it up in the fact that the chaplain found out that the father had died in the Battle of Ergon or some other battle. The third one was a couple years ago here at my home.

2:14:12We had these footsteps constantly, maybe two or three times a month, out across the patio and wooden deck. And my husband was out in the workshop working one day. And each time we'd hear these footsteps, we'd check them out. There would be nothing there. And this particular night he was working out in the workshop and he thought I'd cause him and I said no. And he went on back to what he was doing and suddenly a hammer flew across the workshop and just missed him by fractions. And there wasn't a soul nowhere. Wow. How the hammer or who threw the hammer went across the shop nevertheless. Unmusticable message nevertheless. Never the last. Thank you very much for your call. And adding to our list of incredible stories this morning. Some of these have been truly incredible.

2:15:13And I'm going to have to sit down and listen to a tape of this program myself. We'll be right back. Good morning. First time caller line you're on the air. Good morning. Hi, where are you, man? Okay, I'm Washington. Oh, can. This is back in the 50s. Oh, gosh, we're like trying to turn here down to be right back. Oh, that's quite a high. Go ahead. We have no open lines right now. When we do, you know the numbers. Pick one and call it. Hold up here. Yes. Back in the 50s, my husband and I had, he was a hard rock minor. I appeared in Washington State. And I had gone down to California and I tried to document to come in down there and get a job and to ship the IB which he used to work in. Got that all arranged. And I had a little, just a one little apartment and I went and got a lease on a lease action to buy

2:16:17a house on a place and I transferred my mail over to a little mailing thing. Well, he called me up and said he would be down in a couple of days. So I was busy from one place to the other and so forth. I'm driving down Vermont Avenue and I look in the rear-view mirror and there he is in a black sedan with another guy driving and he smiles and wave that. And I thought, oh, that's an old guy and he got here two days early. And go around home and got everything ready, made a pot of coffee and everything. He didn't show up, didn't show up and I had to go over to the other house. I left a note on the door, went over to the carousel apartment that I was going to went with option to buy. It was a good place. The page for itself and everything because it beedi operated with the other half. And I was real proud of that. Went back home, didn't hear anything. About four days later, I got a letter in the mail office. The girl called me to get a letter from a poem and I went over and picked it up and he had written to me.

2:17:22And a couple of days later, I got a telegram that he had been killed the day after I saw him in the car. Oh, gee. I have never remarried. It was such a blow. I just couldn't believe it. I mean, he was killed and he had sold the house. He had sold up for me too. He had packed up things, the ship and everything. And he was killed the day before he was supposed to work one ship and leave the next morning and he was killed. And so as a result, you have never remarried. No, it was too much. I understand. And I really appreciate you taking the trouble to call us. Thank you. Take care. Line three, you're on the air. Good morning. Hello. How are you there? I'm here.

2:18:22I just wanted to say, I had an incident that happened about four years ago. I went to my mother's house and my mother has her grandmother, what the time was her mother was living with her. And she was approximately about 90 years old. And pretty well bedridden. I mean, she couldn't get out past the kitchen. Sure. And we went to dinner. I just happened to stop by and the fear. And she said, it's good dinner. And I said, fine. So before we left, she always keeps the windows locked. We always locked the doors. I mean, that was just one of her pet peeves. And we went to dinner and it was about 20 minutes away from where we were at. And we were dinner, we were talking. And I never really got to know much about my grandmother. And I had said something about, well, what was my grandfather like? And we talked and she said, he was real mean and vindictive to your grandmother. And that was one of the main reasons why they divorced. And he died. He was an alcoholic and he passed away. So many years before this. So I mean, we went into another conversation. And at the end of the evening, we went back to the house. We came out, went to the back door.

2:19:22And in my mom's bathroom, which is at the other end of the house, there had been no way my grandmother would have been there. And she had a wheelchair to the kitchen, as far as she could go, because she was in a trailer house. And we got to the back back. And I had to go in first. And I walked in and I was just about to shut the door. And just something told me, don't shut the door all the way. I looked up and on the inside of the door, she had one of those lengthaway mirrors of the door length. Oh, yes. It had been lifted up, pasted the doorway. And then it was like about two feet above the doorway. And it had been tightened all the way. And it had like, it probably had about 12 or 13 of those latches you screw in and tighten. Right. Every one of the latches was completely tight. Because I just completely went over to this thing. There was no forced entry. There was nobody had a key. The only people who had a key that housed this my mom. And my dad, he lived up in Ealy. And I just, this child, just ran down my back. Because if anybody was to break into the house, I mean, there's just no godly reason why they would just raise this mirror.

2:20:23And tighten it down like they did. And I told her to come in. I said, were you messing with the mirror earlier this afternoon? She said, no, I never mess with the mirror. And she looked in her face just turned white. And I mean, it was just really weird. And we wanted to check on my grandma to make sure she was all right. And she was in the other room. She was just muttering my grandfather's name, just kept muttering. I mean, she never really ever talks about him. And she just kept muttering. I mean, she didn't say, just kept saying his name over and over and over again. And I mean, after that, I mean, I've heard stories and stuff. And I used to be skeptic about it, but never, never again. I mean, to this day, when we took the mirror off the next day, I mean, she didn't even want the mirror in the house. I took it to the dump and got rid of it. But I mean, that is probably the worst thing I've ever, ever had happened to me. Order her for that, man. Well, you've told that story on the right morning, sir. Thank you. Thank you very much. Take care. And I just, I know that a lot of you sitting out there listening to all of this this morning.

2:21:26I've got to be going through some changes, because I sure am. These aren't nuts. These people are literate. Obviously well-educated, articulate. Young, old, middle-aged. My last caller was just another example. How can you ignore it? Good morning. On our first time caller line, you're on the air. Hello, Art. Hi. This is John, Tom, Fairbanks, Alaska. Hi, John, all the way from Fairbanks. Yes. I want to know if perhaps you're having some poltergeists in your radio feeds tonight. I hope not. Why do you ask? I don't know if any other caller has picked this up. I'm also one of your network feed feeds or what. But periodically starting with your first hour through your second, third hour. Every so often, I'd hear a background noise. It sounded like a duck clacking. I mean, come on.

2:22:27I'm recording your program. And there are clacking ducks or poltergeists or something on your program. I'm sure other listeners... Do you have the tape there? I have the tape going right now. Oh, you have it going now to record your program. I turned everything white down, but hopefully I'm still recording. But periodically... All right, I'll tell you what I'm going to do. Okay. I'm going to terminate this conversation with you now. And what I want you to do is cue your recorder to where you've got that on tape. Okay. And call me back and play it. Okay. Can you do that? Tonight. Tonight. Okay, I'll try because it's been probably an hour since I've heard it, but I'll try to get it. If you can do it, call me back on the same line. Okay. All right. I'll try to do that because I wanted to share a couple of stories with you. Well, if you want to do... All right, fine. Go ahead and share. You've got time to share one now. Go ahead. I'll try to do that. But when I went to school, I went to school with this boy. He had a pretty rough life. He lost one brother in the eighth grade due to some childhood illness.

2:23:30And then a brother that was a couple years older than him went to Vietnam. And he was killed when he was a gunner on board a helicopter. And he was killed in action in Vietnam. And he let her fairly unhappy life. And we parted ways. And I joined the Air Force. And I ended up in Alaska. And I was stationed at Isles in Air Force Base. And one night he came to me in the dream. And he was very sad in the dream. And he was crying. And he expressed to him in the dream that he had been hurt badly. And he just had a car wreck. And I just thought it was a dream. And a few days later I received a letter from my mom and a newspaper clipping that he had been killed in a car wreck. Oh boy. All right. And it was more than a coincidence. I understand. All right. Let's hold it here. Call me back with that tape. Line three you're on the air. Yeah.

2:24:30Actually I have a ghost story that I'm still trying to resolve now. I'm trying to find out who the ghost is. However it's a kind of a mundane ghost story. You mean this is going on now? Yeah. And what I work. All right. It's real mundane. He just walks through the place and doesn't bother anyone. But when I lived in Santa Barbara, my father was a pastor of a church. And he was a part-time pastor of a church, a picnic, a small church, a picnic for a camp. And part of this compensation was as we lived in some apartments in the second story of the church. This building was built at the late 19th century. So when we were living there maybe had 90 years on it. Sure. Very old, very impressive building. Everyone I know who lived there was terrified. I mean literally terrified to go downstairs when it was dark. And you know it was my job for instance to go turn on the lights in the morning.

2:25:32Since Sunday morning I had to go turn my dad just later said why I didn't want your sisters doing that. You know why do I have to do that? Well right, lucky you. Yeah. Well I swear we would go down in the dark and there was something there. And just there was something there. I knew it. I found out I'm not the only one who felt that way. There were some people we knew who lived there after we did. Everyone in that family refused to go downstairs when it was dark. Every anytime somebody went down there they knew something was there. Well we later found out someone who committed suicide in that church. Now there you go. Many years earlier someone committed suicide in that church. One of the people who lived there, he was a member of the church, he lived there the same time we did. He, very nice guy, it turned out this time just a few years ago this man murdered his, I mean he just flipped out and he murdered his mother and his father.

2:26:33And he lived in that church for years, I don't know if it's connected, but he flipped out and he murdered his mother and his father. It absolutely wouldn't surprise me. That made the news here in town. And this happened a couple years ago in South Barbara. And he denied this mother and father. The church was sold, military prep school bought it and had a bunch of cadets living there and going to school there. Right. Some of those cadets got in their mind to go down and kill a homeless person. The military academy got closed down because their cadets had committed murder. I went back a couple years ago and with a friend who also used to live there we went to the place because she still lives in South Barbara. She goes, well it's a coffee house now. No, that's not just something you get on your mind. Yeah, exactly. And we went to the coffee house and now the coffee house was in a cold scene and you go in and what I felt when I went in there by myself and just in all the paintings on the wall, all the decorations was there.

2:27:37We talked to a man whose video was upstairs and what used to be our apartments. Yes. He said he would not stay there at night. In night that dark he went home. Whatever it was was. The building was not a pleasant place. I've got you sir. Thank you very much for the call. I'm sure I got you. I'll tell you that really does seem to go on. It does seem to stay within buildings, structures, where things have occurred. Though on other occasions spirits go if you want, have followed people. Not let them go. When they're part of it they seem to get followed. Line one you're on the air. Hello. Hello. Hi, I got a strange story I used to live in Taiwan. Oh yes. And friend and I had just, we're moving into an apartment. The apartment had one bedroom and there were two of us. We had them put in a wood partition in the middle.

2:28:40One night we had to walk on kind of late and we had to get ready to go to sleep. He was in his bed, I was in my bed. We heard these noises, these strange noises, like somebody was storing babies on a likelihood refrigerator. A metallic sound. Sure. I can imagine babies on a fridge. Anyway, I said, you know, cut it out and he kept telling me to cut it out. We were blaming each other. Right. So I didn't think anything of it. And all of a sudden I kind of see my friend and he's leaking around this wood partition, you know, the lights are out. Yes. And I'm trying not to laugh because I'm kind of hiding under the covers and I see him coming around here and I'm saying, well, if it gets to the bed, I'm going to really scare this guy because you don't even know I'm looking at him. And so he gets to the bed and I throw up the covers and I scream at him and I hear my friend in his bed saying, you know, Tony cut it out. And I just broke out into like a cold sweat and I laid back on the bed and the bed started to, like it was on the ocean, it just started to move.

2:29:48This was it. And I told him I said, hey, turn on the lights, you know, he heard the, you know, the way I was saying it and he turned on the lights and I had him check to front door in the windows. And there was nobody there and it was his day. You know, I had like friends stay over here like the next week or so. And he said, yeah. And that was it. And you say the bed moved like a, like ocean waves. Like I was on the ocean. Just the whole bed was just like floating. Yeah, that bothers me. Thank you very much for the call, sir. That sort of thing bothers me. That and in movies when you see doors that sort of bend inward, they don't break. They've been. Totally freaking. We'll be back. I'm going on.

2:30:48It's been going on. I'm on. It's been going on. Well, friends, with the fans, it's a region. Don't admit that it's part of the scene. But I can't help but have my suspicion. There's like quite as dumb as I see. And you'll find it was never a tanning. To wake up I see the sweat. But there ain't any use in it. It has happened to us any day. How long has this been going on? How long has this been going on?

2:32:09It's been going on. I'm on. I'm on. I'm on. I'm on. I'm on.

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