MacBreak Weekly 1042: Tassels Galore!

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2:04You love from people you trust. This is twit. This is Mac break weekly episode 1042 recorded Tuesday, September 15th, 2026. Tassels galore. It's time for Mac break weekly. Yay. The show we cover all the latest news from Apple Christina Warren is here with her brand new microphone arm. Hey, hello, hello. Looks like you can go low by holding the holding out a the girl, black grilled cheese sandwich two years. Something. I don't know. Maybe I have too vivid of imagination. I mean, I like it. So I think it's because of all this scary robot talk. Now I'm kind of in the scary robot. Yeah, I was going to say you're in the scary robot thing and so you can't you can't you can't see it, but I am wearing a a weezer. Oh, wow. I or crew neck rather because I went to their concert on Sunday. I did still around. Are they?

3:04They are still playing the songs like it was in 1994 and the crowd, which was very mixed age. It was younger than I was expecting. I was expecting like a specific age group and it was that, but it was also younger than I was expecting. They got a big boost from Windows. Was it Windows 95? It was Windows 95. Buddy Holly was on the music video was on the CD wrong absolutely. It came with Windows. Yeah. Which is amazing. That tells you how long ago this was 31 years ago. Yeah. And they've since released like seven other albums also called Weezer. But no, they still have they still have songs, but you know what I appreciate about them because I've seen them live in a number of times. They understand that they are a legacy act and they've been a legacy act basically since that first album came out and they know that people are there for the hits and they don't they will play some deep cuts and some things, but like they're not here to play the new stuff. They're not here to like get you trying to buy their new record. They're like, no, we know that you want to do here. You want to hear Buddy Holly at some point tonight and they're going to give it to you. You want to hear Beverly Hills. You want to hear Island and the Sun.

4:05And I appreciate that. It's like going, we have that here in the summertime in the County Fair. The acts that show up at the County Fair like the righteous brother. It's like the one guy who played with them for five minutes. And of course they got to do the hits. That's Andy Yanako. Hello Andrew. God was our righteous brother. Thank you very much with you my man. Yeah. Who can ask for anything more than? Well, there are lots and lots of people who love the work we've done and will come out to hear us play that music for them live. That's just wonderful. It always feels a little bit. It's always a little bit. You win a band. You know, especially as the lead singer. I'm so sick of those songs. I'm a singer. It's my new stuff. It's like, no, we're not sick of them. I imagine that. Exactly like the record and do it now. I imagine that there's like sort of an adolescence to like that kind of fame where you're like, oh, no, I got new ideas. I'm not just about like those first two albums we did. And then you kind of get over it and you, you, you stop resenting the hits that like made you famous and gave you a fan base.

5:06And you are just appreciative that you have an audience still. It's happens to, happens to Jason Snell, our friend from six years ago. That's why we do the vision pro segment is because we need to play the hits right here on Mac break. That's what we got. I went to a concert this weekend. It was a music festival up on the top of the mountaineal pie is here in Marin and one of the, one of the groups I thought I thought mistakenly was a talking heads tribute band. Yeah. But it turns out it was, it was Jerry Harrison from talking head. Oh, wow. It was talking head. It was one talking head and then ten other musicians playing talking head songs with him, which was actually pretty cool. I don't think it's a cover band if you've got a member of the band. No, that's, I think we've learned that. No, or your point, Leon, nor did they claim it was talking heads, which is the problem. It's when you're like, without a beach boys issue. It's when it's scared, but it's really just a guy who played with a guy, who played with littered skinned ones, right? And you're like, that's not it. That's not the same. We're in cover band land here in northern California now.

6:08All the bands are a clever names like Fleetwood, MacRame. Yeah. AZD She and things like that. What was the name of the talking heads cover band? It did. Well, he referred to them as the Remain in Light Orchestra, which is pretty funny, but they were built as Jerry Harrison and 50 years of talking heads, just, just, it's Jerry meaning. It's Jerry Harrison. He was at a retreat. He's a local. Yeah, he's local. And he was at a retreat I was at. And I'm sitting across from at the table eating breakfast. I'm going, damn, you look really familiar. Do I know you? And he said, yeah, I was the key boarder for the talking heads. I went, oh, yeah. That sort of thing happens here. We walked into a diner downtown and Carlos Santana was in the corner. Yeah. And we only identified him because of his hat, his trademark hat. I was like, oh, it's yeah, Mike and Dylan. He's not exactly nobbed, which I think he should be, but we were at that. But Carlos Santana just take the halop and then nobody knows who you are. Sitting at all on at a table eating a bowl of clam chowder and I thought, that's Santana

7:09over there. Pretty wild. Yeah, that's what we get here in Northern California. Yeah. No, I moved to more in County in the first, first Christmas shopping season I ended up sitting on one table over from George Lucas at the mall. Brace yourself. You know, who's, you know, who's moved into your neighborhood? Who? Lady Gaga. Really? Yeah. It's all right. Well, I look at her. And she's a baby now. Yeah, baby. Good for her. Nice. I don't know why I don't know why I heard that news. I thought, oh, good for her. I'm hope she's happy. That's wonderful. And for all of the food tuned in to say. I look forward to checking you out. I'm going to do it again. The thing is, that's it. It's going to be out on the dog path. It isn't. It's Lady Gaga's duo. She's, she's, she's, she's got a new addition. Yeah. That's, I love it. Again, again, we're playing the hits here, aren't we? I know. We should be, we should be, we should be, we should be, we should be, we should be the name for the qualification. We should be, we should be, we should be, we should be, we should be, we should be the name for the qualification. We're the name for the qualification. It's, it's like we've, we've got, we've got this, this bottle of champagne that has shaken up and we don't want to take off the foil because as soon as we pop the cork, it's going to, so this is our last chance to just sort of relax.

8:12And, and then there's poor John Ashley, our producer who's back from vacation. He's my client. Yeah. This is, this is what he gets for making us talk about Taylor Swift in the pre show instead of the actual show. Yeah. That's right. Nothing to do with that controversy. New operating systems A, John Ternus, A, Ternus on Johnny, Ternus on John Ternus had his debut on Wednesday. And in fact, he was at the Emmys last night in a pretty bland tuxedo, I might add, showing off the glaring front facing camera on the duo. He was, it was so bashful. It was so cute to deadline. He's so cute. And he's so fine. Yeah. So he took the stage. Now Jason, you didn't get a last minute invite. I did not. I watched it from my chair. It must, it gripes me. It must gripe you to see all these like influencers there who really aren't tech journalists.

9:15But I guess that's the point. It's a marketing event. That's the point. They have a huge audience. And I mean, you could argue that not journalists is even better for Apple because I saw a bunch of those videos and they're kind of just repeating. Look at that. They're so cute. They're really just saying the PR points. Yeah. And I had a, I remember having a good conversation 15 years ago with a PR person who was a very good PR contact of mine. And she said, look, my job is sales ultimately. Yes. And like, that's never forget it. And I think you just got to, you just got to keep it real. Like Apple's job and what they choose to do in terms of everything is about losing sales. And if they can, if I look, an influencer with a huge following who's going to repeat their talking points is probably going to sell more phones than me. Even when, even 15, 20 years ago, when Jason was being invited because he was the head of Mac role when I was being invited because I was the technology reporter for the Chicago sun times, we don't flatter ourselves in the thinking that we are the chosen people that we are so important that Apple wouldn't get or not invite us in both.

10:17Then as now, they invite the people that are going to be useful to them for the purposes that they had for this product launch. And there's nothing shameful to Apple about that. It's simply the way it always was. That's the business. If you try to figure out, like, if you try to figure out why you got invited, why you didn't invite get invited, that's a Mugs game. No, that way lies madness. Also, I mean, you know, that is not, it's not like I don't talk to Apple PR all the time. It's not like I haven't gotten, you know, review units of every iPhone ever and every Mac, you know, release ever. It's just a delay. It's just a difference. Apple's smart because the first day is when you get the most impressions after it's been out. That's a big deal. So you will have, I'm sure. And I guess it would be the note for our audience is make no judgment about any of this until some actual people have it and bang on it for a while. As you can't look at it and give it a review, you have to have it for a week or two and try it out. And you should make your decision, although Apple makes it hard to do that because already

11:20if you're ordering an iPhone 18 Pro Max, you're out a month or so. Do you notice that? Did you notice that? That they always make you the pre-orders happen before the reviews drop. Interesting. Yeah. Just a just a technique. Well, they didn't do that with the duo, which is interesting. We have to wait a month to order the folding phone. Yeah, but there aren't going to be any reviews before that. That's true. They're not going to get a cut. Nobody got a duo last week, right? They got 18 pros, but they didn't get a duo last week. And the embargo on the 18 pros probably this week. Yeah, like Wednesday, usually. Yeah, tomorrow. It's probably. So let me just see what the current, if I'm going to order an 18 Pro Max, Lisa did get online. I said, oh, did you get the wild cherry? She said, oh, I got black. I'm going to put it in a case. I'm going to need you. Which is nice. It's always nice to know that the, but so let's, she said black because I'll probably get it sooner. And of course, if you really want to get it soon, you get the $2,500 to terribly model.

12:22And let's just see when, when that would be coming, and I'm going to buy that one. The box that that phone comes in, is it big enough to live in? Yeah. That's the operator for no Apple. Okay. It makes me mad. You have to pick everything until you get the date. Now that one is October 7. But you could get some sort, but you could pick it up Friday. Yeah, she said that. She said, I could have gotten it by, she said, but I don't want to go to the store. They keep, they keep stocking the stores. They don't want people who didn't pre-order to go home unhappy. Yeah, they need, yeah, they need a certain amount of stock in the store. So always order the, well, it's the same thing if you order the 256 gig, which is probably what most people should get. We're talking in store Friday. And then mail order in the first week of October or second. She's not bad. Yeah, that's fine. I think she's, she did it pretty quick. I, I went down and she was working out. I said, Oh, I forgot to remind you 5 a.m. You better order your phone right now. And you know, it's like a couple of weeks. So that's fine. I'm waiting for the duo.

13:23You're waiting for the duo, Christina. Yes, yes. You will all be proud to know that I did keep my promise to Jason Snell. I did not buy an 18 pro max. We had to tie her to the mast and all that help. We did. No, no, no, no. We did. Yeah. Like part of it is honestly because like we don't know what the reviews are going to say. I don't know how well that that focal length, a variable focal length thing is actually going to work. I have a feeling this will make me. Yeah, sorry, sorry, a variable aperture. I'm going to tell you something about the variable aperture to make you feel better. I was talking to Chris Markwater, photo guy on our photo show on Friday. He said, it's a gimmick because you know, having, it's wonderful. I love a physical aperture on a camera with a large sensor. That's when you get a beautiful bouquet. You will not get that beautiful bouquet. I said, but I saw bouquet in the pictures. He said, that's computational. The sensor on the camera is so small that you're not really going to get that bouquet

14:23because of the blades. There's six blades, which is fewer than a most fancy cameras. It's very cool looking. It seems to me prime for, you know, breakage. The other benefit, he said, really the real reason, now this is Chris's point of view and he hasn't played with it yet, as nobody has. He said, is so that you get the starburst because that's the one thing you will get with the six blades. Right. There's on a point light source. Right. You'll get six starbursts. I'm more flier. I'm more flier. And he says that will make people go, you have aperture, physical aperture on the camera. Or you can put like a little filter on the front of the car. See all of 28 cents. Do you have to say that? Yeah, but when I was thinking, I was thinking the exact same thing. I mean, I'd be shocked if it actually has an optical effect. However, I'm curious to see if it's part of the amount of data that the pipeline collects. If it says, well, you know what, in addition to testing a whole bunch of different exposures

15:25and a different tone map, the cameras also going to try a bunch of different apertures, not to see which is the best, but basically see if it can collect more information that way. You see the shutters, the blades will go just... I don't know. I mean, I'm trying to... The thing is, this has been tried on Android phones a lot and it has not become part of, oh, well, gosh, of course, if it's a premium Android phone camera, it has to have variable apertures. And I think there's going to be a reason for that. But there has to be a reason why Apple decided to increase the manufacturing cost, increase the manufacturing complexity, make it, as you say, it's another moving thing and a thing that gets dropped a lot. I'm sure that they did the math and decided that we can deliver... This is how desperate we need to be to improve photos. It's possible that it's also there to improve videos because if you can mechanically stop down or open a wider aperture, that means it gives you different shutter speeds you can have when you are capturing action or stuff like that.

16:28But let's not forget, they didn't increase the size of the sensor. Right, exactly. It's Tancy Winks again. Again, that's why, as I was watching this, I'm thinking that it's not going to create better pictures, but I wonder if Apple's doing it because, again, as we know, it takes like what, 40 different... It collects 40 different categories of data every time you push that button, that happens at a microsecond. Maybe part of that data collection is going to be... F-stop, small F-stop, large, not again to get different views of the image, but to collect more data and make better decisions. And then, again, I'm guessing because I know that Apple did this for a reason. They're not in a desperate position where they have to be... There is, I think, the honor has a phone that actually has a motorized, periscoping... Yeah, that's wild, isn't it? We talked about that too. That's what happens when you have a company that's kind of desperate to get some attention. Apple's not desperate for attention. They would only make this if they were certain that it would lead to better pictures or

17:30better video. I just don't know how that would actually work. What we'll see. We'll see. We'll see. I think the bigger thing I would look at, like with 18 Pro, 18 Pro Max, because they look at great phones. I think if you have a 17, at least if you're like me, I'm not upgrading. I have my word. You are not upgrading. You are not upgrading. I am not upgrading. Well, that's the main reason I bring this up, Christina, so that you and I do not have FOMO on camera. We don't have FOMO. Right. What I was going to say, though, is I think the bigger... Like when I look at the 18 Pro and the Pro Max, I think that it is... It feels like almost like the finalized form of the iPhone, as we've known it, kind of pre-duo, where they reinforce added a better heat sink, so it has better thermals, has better performance, better battery life. They made improvements to the camera, even if they are not really massive improvements, they made improvements to the camera. It really feels like... I thought the 17 Pro Max, anyway, last year, was a fantastic phone, one of the best iPhones in years. And this looks like that's just even more refined.

18:31If you have someone who's on a 14, a 15, maybe even a 16, depending on your budget and your upgrade cycle, this is a really nice upgrade. We'll talk about it more, but I think that I've had friends who have been asking me, should I get the duo, should I get the 18 Pro Max? It's going to come down to, I think, for most people. If you value using your phone for wide range of things and including as a camera, this is going to be a really terrific phone. And yeah, they raised the price $100, but that's better than I think... Well, we should talk about that. The prices were not... Yeah, we thought there might be hundreds of dollars more. Their 1999 is start. I'm going to buy 256 gigs. I'm going to live dangerously. I'm going to do 5-small. Yeah, at least it did 512 too, but I'm looking at my current Pro Max, my 17, and it does not... It's 103 gigs after a year of use. Unless you're shooting lots and lots of 4K video and not having the opportunity to sink your photos and your videos back up to the cloud routinely, I think 256 is fine.

19:36If I could have... When I bought my Pixel 11 Pro, if I could have gotten 16 gigs of RAM and 256 gigs of storage, I would have saved the $100 and gotten less storage. Every $100 cance when you're saving up for a 512 gig mic studio and 5 ultra, that's all I can do. That's true. Mike Marker and 17 Pro is a 256 and it's fine. Yeah. If I recall correctly, we said this last week, Andy pointed out that the Samsung Fold starts at 1899. Yeah. And so I think we all agreed. So I was interviewed after, by MPR, which was fun, because there's a whole swath of people who say, oh, I heard you want an MPR that never otherwise cared about anything I do, but they hear me on MPR. Right. And the question was what we had talked about the day before, which was, is this price ridiculous or reasonable? And what we said last week was, I don't know, six months ago, this would have seemed perfectly reasonable. And now it seems like it's actually kind of aggressive.

20:36And I think Andy specifically was like hoping for a 1999, because that sounds like the price of this phone, if the Samsung is 1899. Now, I think if you look at the step ups, it's very clear that they, I think they were aggressive with the 1999 and they're probably eating margin. They're more than they would like. But I think they didn't, I think they were worried that putting, starting this above 2000 would have been kind of a black mark on the product. And so they, and so, yeah, I mean, 1999 is Mark Irman said, this is the price that they had been shooting for all along. And despite everything out there, I think they just decided we got to go out at 1999. Did you think they had to eat margin to do that? I mean, eat margin, eat margin. I mean, I don't think they're losing money on it, but I think they're not making as much margin. No, no one says that. No one says that. Justing that they lose money. No, but I think there's a number. I mean, we don't know because that spreadsheet is deep, right? Deep knowledge at Apple. I'm sure there's a number that popped out that said this should be priced at X.

21:39And I bet you 1999 is below that number. Yeah, it's really competitive. And also notice that Samsung, Samsung decided to put on the Scooby-Deeer gear and just swim underneath Apple's robot for the announcement and drill a hole in there by saying, how about for a couple of days, we'll mock $250 off of the full date, which is, which is kind of have to do because they now have a passport size foldable that is inferior to both Apple's and Google's. I mean, it's not, it's not even dust resistant and has a couple of other things that you kind of want the other two to have. So, but that's, they were very, very puckish all last week. We'll talk about it later. As far as I'm concerned, it's a non-starter because it's Android and I just don't think Android uses the real estate well. And I've had the many Samsung folding phones and I, it looks like Apple has done a lot to make iOS 27 on that. It's, it's, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'll let you talk. I just had to blurred out that that was something that was so important, impressive to me that it's almost as if they had like, I, I phone do OS, they made so many modifications.

22:42Yeah. Thank you, Yeezy. And I'll shut up. Uh, uh, uh, so there's a lovely video that began the event. We were debating back and forth whether that was all practical effects or if there was, uh, AI or CGI used in that video. And again, our photo guy, Chris Markowitz said, no, I think it's all practical. I think they actually, it said shot on iPhone and he said, I think they really did shoot it on iPhone. I'm sure they touched it up with VFX, but that's okay. I don't think it was like, they rented the back lot at Universal to do it. Yeah. I mean, clearly, clearly and, and, and spent a lot of money on that shoot. If you look at all the lighting and gear they used and so forth. Um, and then it's a very touching at the end. Tim Cook steps forward. Yeah. And kind of a, a weird gloomy light. You put that. Actually, that's a, that's a shot for shot match from a James Bond movie. Oh, really? Yeah. How did you, you are good?

23:42Todd Biserri. Uh, I will put a link in, um, but Todd Biserri, my pal, the internet's pal who works at industrial light and magic is very much it did a whole post about it called Apple event film versus James Bond was the whole film a James Bond? No, but there is a, um, the, the, uh, skyfall opening shot is a match for Tim Cook. And, uh, and then of course, at the end of the video, uh, there's an aperture that is referring to the closing aperture and that is, uh, and that is, uh, very much a James Bond subtle. That's subtle. That's quite subtle. I think that's, you know, they must have had fun doing that. Mm. And, and do you think that, Mr. Turn, oh, look at that. Even the irising of the phone matches the irising of the James Bond. Yeah. I think it was blessed. Todd for that. So that's, that's why Tim Cook looks like that is they're trying to be cinematic, right?

24:44And they're trying to match. They're probably even more, uh, references. There are references they were trying to at least, uh, cause they wanted to be very cinematic. I, what I like about the Tim Cook thing is rather than it being, I would like to hand off or let's pretend Tim doesn't exist, especially keeping in mind that most people watch that video don't know anything about CEO transitions in Apple. They don't honestly, they're just interested in the phone. Yeah. So how do they do it? How do they say who the hell is this guy? I thought that was actually like spot on in terms of tone. I agree. I expect Tim Cook and you're like, Oh, Tim Cook. Yes. He is in these videos and Tim Cook steps forward in that James Bond kind of lighting and he says, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, that guy. He's the guy. That's your guy. And the guy's working on him. Yeah. Which is just, I think that's, I think that was so well calibrated and a little deprecating on Tim Cook's part, right? He's saying, I'm not the guy. He's the guy now by and like, that was the right way to do that. So I thought that was fun. And again, I also think that tonally Apple struggle sometimes like, are we a little too

25:46joky? Are we a little too? Yeah. I think this was straight up. It's like, Hey, we can shoot some action stuff on the iPhone and isn't it fun spectacle? And then you get the theme, which is opening shots, which leads to this is John Ternis's opening shot as CEO. And then they're out of there. And like, I didn't cringe. So I thought that I thought, I mean, honestly, that's the real test here. Is like, was it okay? And did it do the job? And I think it did. I think that was, I think it was solid. I think we can actually say that this is a perfectly executed CEO transition in every regard. That was the goal. Yeah. I think that was Tim. Somebody, I saw a report the other week that said explicitly what I've assumed all along, which is Tim knows how difficult it was for him to take over because of Steve Jobs's illness and all of that. And he wanted to nail this transition and have it be. He wanted the report with the sex book. I want to be taught. Didn't he say that explicitly? Yeah. He said that explicitly. He wants us to be the smoothest handover.

26:46Well, it was. Yeah, there you go. Beautifully done. And did you see how Samsung mocked it? Yes. Oh my gosh. So many hard grapes. Go ahead. I was going to say, really, that just makes me mad. Whatever. Jerky. No, I mean, honestly, all of Samsung's tweets and the whole behavior. I was just like, okay, you know what, take the out. Like this is not your day. Like just be for once. Don't. That will show back. When you've done you made the screen. Yeah. In interviews, Apple shut back. They said the executive said, well, yeah, the specs were out. So a number of people copied us, not pointing out that Samsung made the screen. So they really didn't have to steal the. No, they don't really. They don't steal the scraps. But the specs are still screaming. I mean, I have honor might have, you know, sure. And and and Samsung, I mean, look, if we want to be real, Samsung, and I realized it's many different divisions because the shy ballway that that company works is incredibly complicated. But I would not be surprised if the contract for making the iPhone duo screens for that division of Samsung made more money for Samsung than the full date, right?

27:51Yeah. So the Z Foldate. So, I mean, their marketing came can do whatever the heck they want to do for marketing. But like, come on, guys. Also, and I think this is an important point. Apple being in the folding phone game. And in particular, with this shape is a validator of the category. It's a validator of the shape. And not only is Samsung making money on the displays that they made for Apple, but I really believe this, it will sell more Samsung folding phones because everybody's talking about folding phones. And if you don't, I don't think people are going to be like so much weighing do I buy the Samsung or do I buy the Apple because I think that people want Android or they want iPhone. But I do think that even Android people will look and find it a validator. They're like, oh, maybe there is something there. Maybe I should be interested in this category. And that's good for companies that make folding phones like Samsung. So they should, yeah, take the L and it's not even so. Yeah. No, exactly because like you said, I mean, even the running, like to Andy's point, even

28:54the running carrier promos, you know, a few days and advance and fine, do whatever you need to do. Because yeah, at this point, and we all said this last week, and this is going to be even more true, the best selling foldable of all time will be the duo, the minute that it goes on sale. And it's just going to outsell everything else that's ever existed in aggregate. But this does prove the category. And there are plenty of people who for whatever reason don't want an iPhone. And if you're looking at something, you know, to get into that foldable market, this is now going to be the, for better or worse. And I'm not going to make a judgment about that because I haven't touched any of the phones. But for better or worse, this is going to become the blueprint of what a foldable phone in like 2026, 2027 onward looks like, right? The form factor might have all passed then. But for better or worse, this is what people are going to be thinking about when they think about a foldable. And so yeah, this valid is the category. This is going to, I think, lift up things in general. And I mean, and obviously some of this is going to come down to execution on Apple's part. I don't know how well this is going to sell vis-a-vis other things.

29:56But if you look about, if you look at this and say, okay, this is going to be a long lasting form factor, yes, other companies have been doing this for seven years. Yes, there was another company who even, you know, hilariously released a phone that looks similar called the duo. None of those we can talk more about that at another point in Microsoft. I do mean Microsoft. And, and, and, and, but also the comparisons there are unfair for a lot of reasons. But, you know, well, especially since Apple did the duo first with a laptop many. Oh, sure. But I was just more going to say like, the service duo is not a real foldable. Phone. It was a device. I bought it. I was, see, this is a thing I like this form factor so much. I bought the duo. I almost said, yeah, I had some real flaws while I returned it almost immediately because it was two screens with a hinge. It didn't have a, but most importantly, the software really didn't use the dual screens the way Apple is. I was going to say, I was going to say, I mean, this is, this is the real thing is that it's come, it's going to come down to the execution.

30:56Where I think Apple does potentially have a real leg up over everyone else. And we will have to wait to see the SDKs aren't even out yet. But the thing is is that, you know, from what we've seen from even the limited hands on we've had, this looks much more like realize and executed. And so, yes, we've had seven years at this point of folding phones. None of them have taken off. If there's any chance for this category, it's not all going to go to Apple. It's, but it is a device like this. And hopefully, you know, Samsung and Google and, you know, Xiaomi and Huawei and all the other companies that make phones will be able to take lessons from this and hopefully improve the software too so that if this category is going to exist and that's not a guarantee, there will be, it will be a better experience for all of us. Yeah, I think, I think you're absolutely right. I think that the part of this, the development of really, really good passport folding screen displays is going to set that as the default of this is what people expect when they see a foldable.

31:57We're asked before it was kind of like this in between sort of thing. But also, it reminds me of what smart multi-touch smartphones were like in like the late 2000s, like in 20 2008, 2009, where Android benefited from iPhone, iPhone benefited from Android because they were seeing with each other we're doing. Apple was doing stuff like, oh, well, maybe notifications shouldn't be a card that obscures the entire screen until you actually actively dismiss it. Maybe cool if they were kind of like on a scroller that you could simply scroll down. That's a good idea. Let's take that. Just like on the, on the duo, I mean, I'll take Snoopy wherever you can put it. Okay. And the idea of having like, well, let's, let's help the, when you're taking pictures of kids having the smile, we'll have a little animated like Snoopy dancing around. That was something that Google's. Google put on the pixel fold. Yeah. But again, and I'm sure that and so many people, I can't, so many platforms now have been,

33:01at least demonstrating how you can do that same beautiful transition of like blurring like of the, the folk of the top, the top screen going out of focus, the inner screen getting into, into focus. It was so compelling and so absolutely right the way to do that transition that if Samsung, someone a developer for a Samsung developer showed off how that would work on a Samsung, they've got it working on the pixel. They've got it working on. Once you see a trivial to do it, and they're going to do it. Yeah. But like I said, it's going to be great. You know, you competition in a vibrant market that's not quite found its feet yet. It is the most wonderful time to be observing these things. And there's no brand to validate a phone, a smartphone market like Apple and like iPhone. And that this is iPhone Duo is important that even though it's picking up lots of tablet things, it's a phone. It is, yeah, it's going to validate the entire Android folding phone ecosystem. Plus provide some lessons for them that, you know, because Apple really, that's that,

34:05that was my thing about this. Apple does a new piece of hardware, iPhone hardware, this unlike any iPhone hardware ever made before. And all I could think of coming out of the event was the software. And that says something like that. That was the, I don't know how all you felt, but like that's why I have always loved Apple products is for moments like that where I'm like, oh look, they went to town with the software. They didn't have bake it. It's fully baked. Like so there's sometimes there's new Apple hardware that comes out and we all sit here the day after. And we say, this is a nice start. And here are five other things that they could do. Like, or you ask in a briefing sometimes this happens where you're like, but what about this? Well, it doesn't do that or they'll say it does other things that are nice and they won't say it, but they know it doesn't do that. And but like day one, you're like, well, here are five directions this product could go. And over the next few years, you see them fill in those directions. There's almost nothing in the duo that is an obvious low hanging fruit thing that they didn't do.

35:06There's maybe one or two, but like they went to town. And that was that kind of like Apple magic that they put an extra, extra software effort to go beyond because honestly, the hardware I'm sure is very impressive, but companies with impressive hardware pedigrees have been iterating on folding phones for seven years, right? But on the software side, they knew that that was a place for them to push that advantage that they've got. And they did. And like I love to see that. And I think it shows you in part, you put, you know, you do a, you embark on a software project at Apple that is imprinted with the iPhone priority level and it gets the high priority. Like they put everything into this and it shows. And that's why it's so exciting. Yeah. I have to say this is, you know, Apple started as a hardware company with Steve Wozniak's Apple One design and pitching it to the homebrew computer club. But by 1984, they became a hardware and software company with Steve Jobs vision to own the whole stack. And this is where they really benefit and no one else can do this.

36:10And you know, Microsoft couldn't even do it when they wanted to release the duo with Windows phone on it and they could. Yeah. Well, I was going to say, I mean, the interesting thing with that with the surface, I can give a little bit of insight here because I did work at Microsoft at the time. And this is public information. None of this is private, but it's stuff most people won't know. You know, as we discussed, it is not a folding phone. It was a two screen phone, which is a very different thing. When that phone was released, it came out in 2020, but I think it was announced in 2019. And when it was announced, the Android APIs did not exist to be able to do multiple screens on an Android device. They, you sort of had some folding screens stuff and whatnot, but to have two distinct screens and have one app in each place didn't exist. And so Microsoft actually built and maintained for a number of years those libraries because Google didn't want to take them on. Google was not interested in doing that. And so, you know, that was a challenge that they had to take on. Yeah, they'd wanted it Windows Phone. Eventually, it had to use Android because Windows Phone didn't exist anymore.

37:11But the infrastructure was not there. And the problem that we, I always had with the Surface, you know, Microsoft Surface Duo, which was a really interesting device was through no fault through Microsoft's because they didn't control the entire stack. They couldn't make it do everything they wanted it to do. And eventually, Google did actually wind up adopting some of those libraries and building things in. And now you can do a lot more like what you couldn't do in 2019. You can do now natively in Android. But it didn't exist then. And this is an advantage that Apple has that no one other than Google, you know, with their, you know, fold devices with the pixels really has that ability to control the end-to-end experience. And Google has the additional pressure of also having to build an operating system that OEMs can use, right? So they can't just customize it just for their own purposes, even though they sometimes do that. And so Apple, I think, is because they can nail both of those components, that's, that, to Jason's point, that's kind of what makes it special.

38:13That's what makes people really like using Apple products because it's the same person who's controlling everything from top to bottom. Now sometimes that can lead to negative things, right? But I think when you nail it, you really nail it. And it's because, you know, the people who are working on this stuff are all able to be and sync with one another and are able to make the software and the hardware work. And they can find those edge cases and really think about, okay, how, how will this be used? What do we need to build to make this work correctly? Yeah. And then the, and the, the, the background of that story, and that's such a good point that you made that Google just absolutely dropped the ball forever on the idea of putting an Android app on a screen that is not a phone screen. It was just ridiculous. Samsung, when they come up with their fold, they had to basically write their own systems of what does, what happens when this, this hits a big screen? And can I put like, what, can I have two apps side by side at the same time when they decided to do decks like their desktop thing they had again, create their own multi-windowing system for, for Android. And so, but whereas Apple had basically already had all the stuff baked in because it was all,

39:18it was all iOS. It was all OS 10 to start with. And the other thing is that Google does not have a fraction of the control over the developers as Apple does. Apple can and would simply say that, oh, by the way, by X date, we will not approve updates to your iPhone apps unless they behave properly when they run on, on an iPhone duo. And a lot, and they're also have the ability to support the developers in such a way that they know that they're not investing their time and money, learning a set of APIs that are going to be completely gone in about a year or two. Honestly, I mean, I think a lot of Android users would be do well to consider buying an iPhone duo just in the same way that, for the same reasons why any Android user would do well to think about buying an iPad mini or an iPad instead of an Android tablet. We're going to take a break. There's still lots more to talk about. Obviously, Apple announced some very interesting other things. And of course, shipped iOS 27 yesterday, Mac OS 27, Vision OS 27, all of that.

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46:35stage. She was very publicly opposed to the Islamic Republic. Got a lot of trouble. God bless Apple for hiring her. And then putting her up on stage without saying anything. But I just want to acknowledge it. That's very cool. Yeah. Really, really, you know, significant. Let's talk about the watch. Because that was a little bit of a surprise. It's funny. The day before Mark German had everything, price, name, he had it all. So he's got some leaker in there who's, you know, showed in the video, I think. One of the things they answered the new watch is going to be, I think, more controversial. I didn't hear a lot about it already. Yeah. I hope this freaking thing. And Apple and Apple, and we're talking about the idea, the feature where the Apple watch could be. Live rewind. Thank you very much. It's not just one feature. Basically, it's always, it's always listening and basically internally making the recording

47:39so that you can rewind and listen to get captions for whatever was said in the past 15 minutes. In case you missed it, there's also a feature that will act like an AI audio badge where it will, it'll provide you with summaries of what you talked about, who you've talked with, that sort of thing. Apple's been, Apple's been bending over backwards. They published a PDF, a white paper about the privacy. They've been doing lots and lots of interviews. They have lots of, lots of support documents explaining that that there's no transcript available. There's situations in which the watch will inform the person you're talking with that you're rewinding and you're looking at a transcript. You can't, you, Apple doesn't see it, it gets destroyed. They're point by point by point by point. If there's a, that is absolutely the most privacy-focused way you could do a feature like this. I'm not upset about that. I'm upset that the feature exists. In many ways, I almost rather have, there'll be a transcript because now I'm counting on someone throwing something back to me or bring something up that I said during a meeting

48:41or during like waiting for an elevator two and a half weeks ago, based on a summary that an AI made. I can't say what I said to somebody at an elevator two weeks ago. I might be able to say no. I definitely didn't agree to anything like that because I wouldn't have agreed to anything like that. I don't care what your watch tells you. I think that this is a really, really crummy world to live in where you don't know when there is someone who's taking notes and no matter what they do with it, it puts you on the defensive 24-7. And it's yet another thing that chips away at Apple's legacy of saying we believe the privacy is a basic human right, privacy, privacy, privacy. Nobody cares about privacy as much as we do, but we do see that if they think they have a feature that will be compelling enough that will convince people to get the new watch, okay, we can bend a little bit. I just hate it. I think I want to pick apart those two issues that Andy just said because I think that it's interesting to consider the two issues because one issue is what these features, these

49:47two features do, which is, you know, there's questions of legality, there's questions of consent, there's questions of privacy. So the idea that you have a device that is recording and that Apple says they're not, it's flowing audio. It's in a buffer, it's being processed, it's not being saved. Andy's absolutely right. This is probably the most privacy-focused version of this feature you will ever see. And so there's that, which is like in a two-party consent state where both parties need to agree to record, is it recording if it's in a buffer, but it's not being processed until you press a button at which point you notify people or is that, you know, can you really, if that going back in time, which is not a thing that we can actually do, but then, you know, and you could argue like a lot of voice assistants are also buffering audio. And is that recording and are they illegal too? And like there's a whole legal case and a moral case there. And I think it's worth talking about that. But the other part of this that Andy got at right away, which is why Andy is such as an

50:49insightful person, is this useful for anything? Like is Apple doing this because they've got a use case that they think is actually useful? Or is this more like Apple saying, oh geez, there are a lot of AI wearables out there. And if anybody's going to do this, maybe we should do it with the Apple Watch. So let's try it and see what happens. Because I am not convinced. First off, like if your server is telling you the specials and you're confused, and then while they're standing there, you double tap to rewind what they said to see, just ask them to say it again slower. Why are you doing that? That's a terrible use case. I heard people trying to be like, well, what if you're in a bus station and you hear the announcements like, good luck getting it to transcribe an equity bus station announcement from your Apple Watch. But okay, okay. And then the note taking as Andy pointed out, it's not going to be Andy said this thing by the elevator. It's going to be a discussion was had about these topics. And it was agreed because they're not going to identify speakers. It was agreed that we would do this, which is just going to lead you to, I thought we all agreed that we were going to do this. And then somebody else says, we did not agree. And where are you then?

51:49Are those notes any good to anybody? And I think that is. There are like two issues here. One is, is this a useful feature at all or is this Apple kind of trying to hard? And then separately, all of the consent recording issues that are out there that Apple is trying, I think actually Apple is trying to build this the best way it can be built. But to Andy's point, should we build this? And doesn't have anybody. Yes. No, I think you both nailed it, right? I have a lot of problems with this just as a, you know, on a fundamental level and like a fourth amendment perspective, I don't like this. I don't like that this is happening. Will do these things already exist? Yes. Does Apple need to be the one who builds it even to both Andy and Jason's points? They are probably going to be the one who builds it better than anyone else. I don't think so. And to your point, Jason, I do wonder if this is a little bit like, let's just, we see all these AI wearables. Let's throw something against the wall because I will say I have, I've colleagues and I actually bought one of these things and I haven't really used it myself.

52:49But I bought one of these things that looks kind of like a, you know, a USB, you know, credit card type of thing that is an audio recorder that basically just transcribes audio for you and you can plug it in and it can use an AI model to basically let you know what was said. And I have a colleague who swears by it during meetings and I can see how in those types of scenarios, that sort of thing would be useful. And I could also see saying, okay, well, if I'm in a business meeting and I don't want to have to, I forget to hit, you know, record reading notes or something and whatever app I'm using, it would be nice to be able to go back, you know, five or 10 minutes and review what someone said. If also to Andy's point, I had a transcript, that would be lovely. But that's not what this is. And so instead, you know, you open up a lot of scenarios where, yeah, why couldn't you just ask someone to repeat what was said to, I'm also wondering, I'm like, even if that is this scenario, how, what am I going to miss if I'm asking my watch to repeat what was said to me, right?

53:49Because now I've got to, I've got to focus on that and then now, how am I going to catch up? I don't know, it just, it feels like, you know, something that is searching for a problem. I also wonder too, and I'm sure that this has been dealt with. But like if you do have this feature turned on, is your battery life on your watch going to now be worse because it's got this always on kind of buffered thing? And then there are the legal challenges too because some states don't care at all. And then there are other states, including California, which care quite a lot about these sorts of things. So I don't know, I'm not going to be getting a new watch anyway. But if I did, I would not be enabling this feature just because there's part of me that goes, oh, yeah, I'd be interested to be able to use my Apple Watch as a note taking device. That could be an interesting use case for an Apple Watch, but that's not what this is. So at least right now. I ordered the new watch immediately. I have owned many of these devices in the past. I can't wait to turn it on. My only fear is, I mean, there are legal issues. Apple's done their best.

54:49I think the white paper is worth reading to kind of dodge those. It's unclear, for instance, California is a two-party state. It's unclear whether by Apple saying, well, we don't, we recorded it in a ring buffer. So we don't save more than it looks like 30 seconds. We analyze it and then we delete it. So it's unclear if that gets around two-party consent. I'm not sure that it does. I think this is one that will go to the courts. I'm going to make a prediction. This is going to be like Microsoft recall. There will be complaint after complaint after complaint. Apple will end up not either not shipping it or modifying it to make it even more useless. And also, I think some of it is on, like it'll all be turned off by default. But I'm going to say I've been highly disappointed because I've been looking for something exact. You're a computer, you may remember. I have a theory. I had a B as well. For years. I have a theory. My theory is, if we were talking about policy, and this may mean this does not justify Apple doing this, but I have a theory, which is Apple is worried about being behind an

55:50AI, right? Obviously. And it's got a lot of wearables. And it looks at AI wearables. And it's like, well, wait a second. We have wearables. Why are we going to get scooped by AI wearables? We could do that too. And so my theory is Apple decided, let's build the ideal version of an AI wearable from a privacy standpoint. Let's build that. And, and this is the gambit. Either all of society will just say, no, never in which case all their competition has also been told though. And they're not behind because nobody can implement this product. If Apple can't do it, no one can do it. Exactly. Or if there is a path forward, and then that product exists. I mean, that, that, it's not a wild theory, right? It's like, we're going to do the best version of this and say, here is the, the tech industry's best attempt to do this in a non evil way. And if society says no, it's all banned, Apple's not behind because nobody can do it. So that's smart.

56:50That's an interesting point of view. But it may not be worth the image hit to that. It's a considerable amount of money and hardware design. I mean, they put this X-Clave into the Apple watch. So it is non trivial. Somebody on Twitter, I can't remember if it was Micah or Jennifer Patis and Tui. I can't remember who said it, but I thought this was a great insight that this is a first step into the AirPods with camera that this same kind of technology will appear in the AirPods with car. 100%. Yeah. Right. With the same argument, which is like, we're not really recording video. We're just processing it to see what the faces are. They did the same thing. We're not a picture. It's a radar or something. I don't know what it is. This is like to dip your toe in the water for that product. And it makes me wonder if this product or this feature is just soundly rejected. If they take the camera AirPods thing and are like, maybe not. Maybe not. I on, you know, as a contrarian, and of course, as you all know, I'm all yo-loat about AI and all that. And I have no privacy and I don't care.

57:51Exactly. You're talking eight to 10 hours a day. There's nothing we don't know about you. I record all our conversations, believe it or not, I hope you're not shocked by that. I think, especially now, the other thing that maybe you guys don't have on your radar, I'm getting old. And I have many family members who have suffered from Alzheimer's. I've watched them lose their memories, including my, both my mother and my father. And I have one of the things I've embraced about AI is the notion that I can store more and more of my life's context in an AI and have it be available to me later when I don't remember stuff. You know, I, you know, people probably think I'm nuts, but I had, I have my AI now, has mined 20 years of Gmail, my fast mail, all my mail is now in, I mean, AI for querying. And I think this is just another way of getting my life. You know, remember we talked about this Gordon Bell's, a device that he wore around his

58:52neck that took photos every 30 seconds. And he for the same, did it for the same reason as wife, Gwen Bell had suffered severe Alzheimer's and he realized that his brain, in my brain, are not going to be able to continue to recall the things I've experienced. And it's, I think, a wonderful idea to have a device that can do that perfectly. So yeah, even for, even for smaller things, I mean, I just met my new, my new neighbors who moved in a couple of weeks ago. Do you remember their names? I can remember the name of the guy because it's the name of a character in a movie that I've asked to me. I can't remember her name. I can't remember her name. And so yeah, I would love to have like a device. Again, would simply feed this into like what Gemini knows. So I can just say, oh, I've already forgotten her name. What was her name again? But as Jason sort of said, it's okay for me to get over my shyness and my awkwardness and say, I'm sorry, I know you told me your name, but I was just, I was enjoying our conversation so much that just slipped my mind. Could you remind me and I'll write it down. But I think it's not, it's not so much that this is bad technology so much as so long

59:54as the person who was being recorded has knowledge and information about what's happening. I think that that takes the edge off it. That's why that's why I keep coming back to the idea of I think a badge is the best form factor. It is an obvious thing you're wearing on your lapel or on your chest magnetically. And people will recognize it that and made and again, if it I would not begrudge somebody of for saying, look, my memory is really, really bad or I have a neurological situation that I just can't remember things unless it's being, unless it's being databaseed for me by this AI, I would absolutely understand that. My problem is that I hate to live in a world in which, oh, God, someone is wearing AirPods. So therefore, there might be recording me right now. And can I be efficient in my language or do I have to say, when I said, okay, I don't mean I agree to the thing you're discussing. I'm saying, I understand what you're saying. Allow me to come back to you with some thoughts about whether, why this is a terrible, terrible

1:00:54idea. I think informed consent is absolutely required. I don't think it's likely that Apple is so sanitizing the content that they feel like it's completely added. Right. I'm sure they feel makes it useless, not recorded. But if I don't, but this is what I'm, this is what Microsoft did with recall. It made it useless. It was only that machine that you, that Windows machine you're using. If it were really to be useful, a recall, which took screenshots and kind of made notes on everything you're doing on your computer, would be on all my systems everywhere, ambient recordings everywhere. I want my cameras. I want everything. And then the AI could chew on it and create a useful database, searchable database of activities, things I've agreed to, dates I don't remember, people I don't remember. I think that that's hugely useful. I think we're in a really interesting cusp right now. Everybody who's watching has been paying attention to the news this week about killer

1:01:58AIs. First of all, I just want to say that's BS. I was going to say it's marketing. It is not real. Don't worry about it. I'm just, I'm just telling you from the depths of my heart, there are all sorts of agendas at play here. None of them have to do with AI killing anybody. People kill people. And I think that we are at a cusp between either just general acceptance of these smart device and our midst and surveillance or complete abrogation. Well, I would love to see a middle path. I just don't know if we're going to get a middle path. I have vacillated on this too, where I thought to myself, oh, you know, we're just going to live in a state where like everybody knows everybody's got a camera on a microphone everywhere because we already have the cameras. They're not too. Yeah, but they're not always right. But like, yeah, I mean, there's a photo photo. You could be taking a 4K video, you know, and and recording audio with noise reduction on all those things to all that is already possible.

1:02:59I walk around with my camera. I walk around with my smartphone in my my first pocket like this and the cameras are pointing out. And I realized recently, you know, I really need to walk around with it with cameras. So yeah, because it's making people, but at the same time. So, so we also have this in this era, the idea that like even across our political, our polarized political, political divides here in the United States, where you normally think sort of like everybody in a red state is going to be on one side of this and everybody in a blue state is going to be on the other side of this, right? But like even in red states, you've got to find up like that. That's what's funny to flock cameras, right? And so that is a that is a very public cultural broad cultural reaction among some people to the idea that at every intersection on every block at every front door, there's a camera. And that camera can now record what car is drive by and every face that it sees and log it all and pass it all up the chain to some security apparatus somewhere for use that

1:04:05they didn't consent. And again, being in public to one degree is being, you know, in a public space and you're not entirely protected there. But it is an interesting time on that on that score. Are we are we going to say as individuals are the courts going to say are people who make laws going to say there need to be some rules here or the other way we go is there's no assumption of privacy anywhere. And we'll see. And the problem is silence is often mistaken for consent. So even if this is a futile battle, we have to speak up and say this is not right. This is not okay with us. I'm not going to accept this. I'm just going to simply wear my perfect glasses everywhere I go. I really do. I mean, and I think that if you as long as the people around you are either informed if it's not a public scenario or, you know, like, you know, you're not doing what some of the people do where they modify the light things like that. I think that's fine. I think that the number of people have to wear a sign on my head that says I'm old and

1:05:10I'm losing my marble. So please, you just need to have Hannah and Watting him March behind you with a battle saying shame. Privacy shame. Yeah, you need like the equivalent of a student driver. Yeah, like, yeah, don't get mad at me. I'm only recording for my own memory, not not not to sell your day. Well, that's the thing. I don't have any intent. Now, you raised an interesting point in our chat, Christina, is that I may not intend to ever let this out of my custody. It's all for my own benefit. Blah, blah, blah. But that doesn't stop law enforcement. Right. That's why Apple, I mean, that is why Apple isn't recording and they're only summarizing things in text, but without names, by the way, without names, they don't assign, but you know, so, so that may mean that it's not really actionable from a law enforcement standpoint. Maybe it is, you know, the participants agree that they're going to run. They don't want it. But it might not, it might not be clear enough and you could easily say, well, I didn't agree to.

1:06:10We were going to rob the bank. I don't know what it's talking about. That's obviously a whole nation. Let's see if you catch me. Yeah. Catch me, you'll never take me alive. Copper. Copper. But, but it also goes to the flip side of that, which I mentioned earlier, which is if you do all of that, is the result useful. Is it, is it, are those transcripts useful? Or do you look at them in your life? What? We maybe we'll find out. I still believe that Apple's gonna pull this one back. I don't think you're gonna release it, but we'll see. I ordered the watch immediately. Yeah, I mean, look, it looks like it's a decent, you know, upgrade, you know, year on year. And they did come out with a gold version of the, of the Aramez models. So it's now available in silver and gold. Now I'm not, I'm not going there. I'm not going there. I'm tempted though, yeah. A little, a little bit. The silver goes with more things. So I think I'm just going to keep that. But, and they brought a ceramic back, which is great. Because I loved the ceramic. I wish I could get a filter ceramic. I'm so sad that they didn't offer that in the ultra. Yeah. So I just got another black one.

1:07:11It'll match all my bands. It'll match all your bands and it'll look great. But, but I do, I'm with you. I think that they're probably going to have to listen to the feedback on this. They're never going to release the silver back or not. Yeah. Because, because again, like people point this out on the chat, now it creates a stigma of anybody who has an Apple watch because you can't just tell which one is which. I mean, sometimes you can, but it's difficult. And so if, if now all of a sudden the people you're with, and here's the thing too, even if we know it's only 15 seconds, even if it's only a summary, even if it's only all these different things, the, it's going to be similar to recall, where the consensus is going to be everything you're saying is being recorded all the time. And that's going to become the narrative. And so if that's the narrative, then people are going to be side-eyeing you when they see you with an Apple watch. Like, Apple doesn't want that. I do think this is a much bigger discussion we have to have going forward about how we live in the world with these devices and how we balance that with individual liberties. But I don't know if this is a thing that Apple needed

1:08:13to get involved in here. Yeah. I'm thinking about, like, what I would have advocated for, if this feature was going to go ahead in any way, I would have advocated inside Apple that, okay, if this feature is turned on, then the screen of the watch is turned, is fulfilled with just white, alternating with red at maximum brightness. And this will have a two-pronged effect. Oh, God. This means, no, no, I'm saying this means that the person, the person, you're the problem, man. You, you're the problem. No, no, no, no, listen, listen to me. This is a clever solution. I think it's, it's, it's a, I'm trying to compromise here. A, people will know that, okay, there's, there's some sort of recording happening with the nature of which we can discuss. But it would also mean that the battery drain would be substantial. So you're not going to turn that feature on unless it's something very, very valuable and very, very important. I don't want, like I said, my problem is that I don't want to be able, I don't want to see somebody who's wearing an Apple watch and wonder. Again, informed consent.

1:09:14That's such a danger with the gambit that I was talking about earlier is that it risks the, the reputation of the Apple watch to this. Yeah, everywhere you go will suddenly be a skiff and you'll have to hand in your phone and watch. My, I talked to my AI about, I want to record everything that's going on. And then finally, I said, yeah, you can do it. Just bring this Zoom thing. Just get this in recorder. Put it on the table. It's the most obvious ugly contraption and you can record. But see, you don't understand the point of this from my point of view is full time recording. I'm going to record this conversation or that conversation. It's having everything I do. If I could make it that would only record my voice, that would be fine. I don't need your voice. I just need to know what I agreed to. And then I'll make a point of saying, oh, nice to meet you. Charlie and Sarah. And then that way it'll have the names of the people and stuff like that. Yeah, it's not going to happen, unfortunately,

1:10:14because of people like you, Andy. So screw you. Thank you very much. I just hope you get old someday and know what it's like, not to remember nothing. My soul is as the strength is the strength of 10 because my soul is pure. Yes, it is pure. And I can play the understanding point. I just want it. I know I'm not going to get it, but I want it. And I'm definitely not wearing a watch if it goes, me, me, me, me, me, the whole time it's recording. That's definitely not happening. No, I just get a siren hat. No, no, if any device that says beaver, all over and over again, you're not talking to anybody from within three seconds. Beaver. Beaver. Beaver. Beaver. I know. I want I want metaclasses that I can record everything I'm looking at. And it's just not about it's going to happen. If they call it purve glasses, you know, I'm not going to wear purve glasses.

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1:14:19die. Oh, and I know I pad OS almost left that out. All of the new 27s are here. This there's an Easter egg in the iOS 27 apps dog cow makes an appearance. Clarice. Yeah. Yes. That's that's the whimsy that we were missing. I don't I know this couldn't have been that just John Turner's hey, the second that I'm mind CEO, I'm bringing back Clarice the dog cow, but that's the sort of I'll just give me a little crumb. Don't personally don't maybe think that you're seeking out whimsy and destroying it to make sure this is the blandest experience possible. So where is this is in the glass settings and display? Yeah, if you scroll down to the end and then you try to scroll further, you will get an additional image of Clarice the dog cow is swimming pool or pool at Apple Park something like that. Oh, I love that. That's the yeah, that's little touches like that to make Apple a approachable company instead of a $5 trillion. But he must try to take the money out of my pocket and succeeding a couple of things

1:15:23to know about Apple intelligence. This one really intrigued me. I don't know how true this is. So I'm going to ask you guys. This came from PDF you. I don't know PDF you is on X iOS 27 and Golden Gate have private hooks that let apps add Siri extensions and replace. Series AI server back in with third party models and he shows Claude running. This would be very cool. How long before somebody gives me a switch or an app that I can do this because I pay for subscriptions to some very high end miles. I'd love to have Claude or Astra in my Siri. And also we've been working with our favorite agents for the past two years now since they got actually good. And I really want to bring the experience that Gemini has a crude with me into the desk into the OS level sort of stuff. I also don't like having to train. It's not just that I think that Gemini is good for my recent for my needs, but also I

1:16:27know where it's not good. And so just like having a human assistant, you know that if I give them a lunch order, I'm going to write it down. I'm not going to just simply tell them they're not because they're going to screw it up. That's the sort of stuff where it's you almost don't even notice how good Apple intelligence is because you're happy with the assistant that you have and you don't want to train a new person. Yeah, I mean Apple understands most people will use Siri AI and be happy and that's fine. But there are a few of us who would like to maybe use something else Apple's track building this in because I think they've got an exclusive partnership with open AI that is has not quite lapsed yet. And this is a point one or two feature where they're going to open it up to everybody. And this has been a point of contention if you see on Vivian Catti toward each other. John Gruber and Mark German because Mark German said this was happening and John Gruber said it's not in there. So you're a sucker. And the answer is it's not in 27.0. John Gruber is right. Mark German is also right in the sense that they are working on it and apparently they

1:17:28are planning on rolling this out. Again, my suspicion is that the deal they made two years ago with open AI precludes some of this from shipping right away. But that they are going to get to that point pretty soon. And that is great, right? Like I think the whole point here, this is why everything Apple does is like for the 80 or 90% or 95% depending on what it is of the people, the general public who just want to do a thing with a query and a query in this case, great. For the people who want more, what you do is you build an API that lets people do more with something else that's more advanced and that would be using another model. They should be okay with that as long as you're doing it on their system. They should be pretty happy with that. And I think they will be. I think this is coming. You make me more interested in buying a duo. Yeah, frankly. One of the reasons I want to do it is because it's a big screen for AI, right? Right. Again, whatever model or models you choose and you can just say use whatever, use, use clawed or whatever for this and have it do what you wanted to do.

1:18:29Like yeah, it's a great idea. Apple, I think some people have a misunderstanding about Apple's attitude to AI. Apple is all in on AI now. And they're not just all in on Siri AI. They're all in on AI. And if you sit in any demo, like I'll go back to that story I told about being a WWDC and having them take me into a demo area where they were showing off those four Mac studios with the cluster with Thunderbolt running a local model with a terabyte of connected memory. Like they love that their devices do this. This is why the A20, you know, the A20 has the GPUs with the neural accelerators. It's got two neural engines in it. And that's for the phone, right? And then on the Mac, they are adding more and more AI features to their tap. So that can because Apple makes their own chips and they benefit from local AI. So it's not just like they want to be good with a cloud AI. They want you to be able to run things on local models. Like they're in there.

1:19:30They're a little behind in some areas. They haven't built their own model that can catch up, but they also know that they benefit when you tie into other people's models because you're using their hardware. So like this is a thing that's going to happen. It's on its way. This got spotted. Like it should not be assigned to like, I want to do this. Why is it a private API? It really is more like just wait. It's going to be it's coming. There's another reason in it. It's kind of there might be other motivations. This is Tim Hardwick writing at Mac rumors points out that this might be in response to the DSA in Europe or the DMA, I should say, the digital markets act, which requires Apple to be interoperable, give third parties access to iOS hardware. There was this lawsuit. Elon had sued Apple and antitrust lawsuit, which got dropped yesterday. We don't know what the settlement was, but X said Monday, they've resolved their claims

1:20:36against Apple that alleged that the iPhone maker conspired with OpenAI to unlawfully monopolized markets for smartphone, generative AI chip bots. They resolved that their thing was BS and that it was a waste of everybody's time. And Elon was just doing a tantrum because they weren't high enough in the app store rankings. Look, it doesn't go to court. So it sounds like Apple said something to Elon that made him stop kicking the screen. You know, we've got this API on our deal with OpenAI expires in 45 days or in. Soon people will use rock with. And then everybody will be using his AI, sure, sure. Yeah, sure. Actually, Rockbox pretty good. I've played with it. Rockbox is pretty good. I have to say, I'm shocked because I've been using Meta's Muse. So there's this new category for those of us who've been playing with AI for a while. We use things like OpenClaw or Hermes agents locally. And all of our data is there. It's stored and then it calls the AI's, but it has all this information about us.

1:21:38That's a great way to use an AI. It's a genetic is what they call it AI. But most normal people aren't going to dedicate a computer to this into all of this rigmarol. So this is the latest thing and there are a number of companies doing it. Grockbot is one of them. They basically reserve space on their servers, given you a virtual machine with its own storage memory and CPU. You can use it on your iPhone or whatever. Muse is new from Meta. It's actually really cute and really good. There's a company called Instinct that's coming along. I've been playing with same idea. You use it in either an app, like, and I think this is why Apple did a Siri app. I think they realized these were coming. So that's maybe the Siri app is going to become, but you can also use it in messages. So I message Instinct or I message Muse and it will tell me stuff. I said, Hey, Muse, don't forget to wake me up at 5 a.m. on October 16th.

1:22:39So I can order that iPhone Duo. And now please help me find $2,000. Have you tried the Muse one yet, Christina? I have. And I haven't spent a lot of time with it. And I have personal objections to a lot of things from Meta, but it's good, right? Like I know it's the same thing with Grock. I don't want to admit it. I think we're stuck. Yep. I mean, trustfully, all of these big companies seem slightly evil. No, totally. I mean, look, I do think that there is something here about cloud-based, you know, agents and being able to kind of be always on and do your tasks. I mean, a lot of people have, they didn't get a Mac many and said they got like a VPS from Hetzner or something and put, you know, Hermes or OpenClaw on that. And which I think is very valid. But I mean, there is something too, having an always on kind of companion that you can message with, but most people are not going to want to do what you and I have done, which is, you know, setting up a framework or a Mac Mini or a Mac Studio as you're saving up to do to do all of that. No, obviously you're wanting to do a lot of this locally.

1:23:42But even if you're not interacting, you know, with local models, it's just, it's really nice to have this always on kind of companion that can have awareness about what your tasks are doing, do things for you in the background. And granted some of the apps themselves, you know, some of the services will do a certain amount of that, you know, like the, the chat should be TAP can remind you of something. Well, they have co-work. I mean, they all have. They all have, they all have kind of aspects of this. But I think there is something to be said about kind of having this always on, always accessible thing. And I mean, it's not what Apple's. Is Siri app is going to end up being, you think? I don't know. Yeah. I mean, because in a perfect world, what I could kind of see would be if you had a dedicated slice of compute that lived in Apple's cloud, right, that had access to all of your stuff that I would pay a subscription for that. Like, I wouldn't pay a subscription for Siri, for Siri AI, right? Like, I mean, I'm going to get that as part of my, you know, I cloud, you know, Apple one, whatever plan, right?

1:24:42Like, I'm going to get that. I would imagine I cloud plus will eventually include that. You know, they added Apple Arcade and Apple TV to I cloud. I was going to say, yeah. And so I would imagine that the ad, you know, like Siri AI plus or whatever, but I'm just saying I would not pay for, oh, I'm going to have more answers or I'm going to have slightly whatever capabilities, but I would pay for would be, oh, I can have an always on remote, persistent agent that lives, you know, in Apple servers that I wanted to trust that has the memory and the information in the context from all my Apple devices that I would pay for. I would pay a lot for that, actually. And so I did. You bought a framework, right? I mean, absolutely. I bought a framework, you know, and, but, but I'm just saying like I have the, the, the always on persistence aspect that I'm not having to maintain myself. Yeah, I think that they could do really well with that. So I hope that that's where this is going. I don't know how long that will take. I mean, you know, we're in a little bit of a, of a crisis right now when it comes to components and, and what not. But, you know, if they can build the data centers fast enough, I guess, I don't know. I think the very fact that Apple announced the M5 altar with 512 gigs of RAM tells me

1:25:46that Apple's looking ahead to a day sometime, someday in the future with hard drives and RAM aren't, you know, in such short supply and that they can provide people with what they want. So I mean, I don't know when that this, you know, Ramagadans going to end. Yeah. I hope so. I mean, but even then I still think I'm not necessarily envisioning people. I mean, I do think you'll have individuals like those of us on this podcast and people who are listening in who will buy their own Macs, potentially the use as their own devices. But what I'm actually envisioning is more of Apple having it compete for Grockbot and from use and for anything else where, you know, I'm just, I don't have me. My mom doesn't have to worry about this. She doesn't have to worry about buying any hardware. I don't know about your mom. But wouldn't most consumers anyway think I'd rather do this with Apple than met up or with X, right? 1000% whether that's earned or not, I think, is up for debate, you know, because as Zandies pointed out, you know, Apple has made like, we're already muses given me ads.

1:26:48So, right. I was going to say, you know, and sometimes Apple's security posture, privacy posture, feels more like marketing than anything else, but it works. And I will say even putting that stuff aside, like if you live in the Apple ecosystem primarily and provided you can still connect it to, you know, your Gmail and your, your office and other stuff like that too, which I can't imagine that there would be any reason you couldn't. And yeah, I think that this would be something that a lot of consumers, my mom would certainly, my mom would not ever do anything with Grockbot. And I don't think she would do anything with Muse, but I think that if Apple had something like this that was just basically kind of like, you know, Siri Cloud or whatever, you know, I have no idea what they would call it. Yeah, I do think that if it provided value, that would be something that she and plenty of other people would be very interested in doing. Again, whether it's unfair or not, I think that a lot of us look at Apple and say, yeah, I'm going to trust them more than I'm going to trust these other companies whose primary business is data and apples is not. You know, they sell hardware and they make a lot of money off of hardware. Right.

1:27:48Jason, you as an Northern California native understand the joke that you wrote here, Mac OS 27, Golden Gate Review bridging the Tahoe gap. Although I don't think Golden Gate bridges into Tahoe yet. Well, no, but it's like it's a bridge and, you know, there's no us gap between Tahoe and Golden Gate and I'm trying to look, I'm trying real hard to come up with new headlines for operating. Are you taking over John Syracuse's mantle as the author of the definitive? No, because I only read 5,000 words. I'm doing the same stuff that I did at Mac World, which is I think 5,000 words is. Who read? You know, what I admire, John. And I always refer to his review. I've never read the whole. Well, they're very long. They're they were all I mean, you know, many more. He's retired, but they were very, very long. No, he knows taking over Frederick of the Teeche is now. He writes a very long iOS review and I think Andrew Cunningham writes a long OS review of our technical of Mac OS and he's taking the mantle directly from John. But like, I don't know, everybody picks their level. I that's the level that I have.

1:28:49I'm sorry, because I can't absorb 20,000 words. I write as much as I think I have to say and then I stop and I don't get there's a level below which I will not go. Tell us what do we, what is the high, what are the high points? Well, I mean, the best. The new Golden Gate. I mean, if you're, if you skip Tahoe, you pick up all the features from Tahoe when there are a load of productivity enhancements that were really nice. And in Golden Gate, they have undone, not everything, but all of the most egregious UI changes because they it was really kind of a badly put together last minute rush job, implementation of liquid glass in Tahoe and in Golden Gate. They have undone a lot of that. The side bars are better everywhere. The tool bars are clearer. The buttons are clearer. So it just all, it all looks better and works better, which is important, right? Like you got that, you got to have it be functional in that way. So it's, it's, yeah, I mean, job one is make it palatable for people who didn't

1:29:52want to use Tahoe or who hated using Tahoe. It isn't a snow leopard release though. I mean, there's a lot of new stuff, right? It's not, I mean, there are, there are fixed bugs, a bunch of, a Siri AI, obviously, and I would argue on the Mac, especially having one box that you type in. If you do command space and you start to type, it is both spotlight and Siri. Now, whereas before there were like two ways you could type to your Mac, one of which was spotlight and one of which is Siri, which is dumb. There should only be one way to type to your Mac. So now there is. And that, that's, and Siri AI, you know, we've talked about it all summer, but like, it works fine. Like for what most people do with chatbots, which is just ask basic questions, it works fine. And they added, you know, these other platform features that are also available on the Mac, like describe a, describe a shortcut, describe an extension. Eventually here, we'll get to the point where those will also be in Siri, right? Like right now they're not connected, but the goal is that if you say I would like this thing

1:30:52to happen every day on my phone or on my Mac, that you could tell that to Siri and Siri would be like, oh, oh, I can build a shortcut that does that. Right now you have to go to shortcuts to do it, but it works. It is not super complicated. It only works with Apple actions, but it works and describe an extension. I've used that multiple times this summer and it's, it's a little less so taric, but if you're ever sitting on a webpage and you're like, you know, I really wish this web page would not show me that or would show me this. You can just have it build a Safari extension for you that does that. So my examples in the article are, I use a site for scheduling and for scheduling meetings for podcasts and it has two items in the menu bar. And one of them is like schedule a meeting and one of them is take a poll. But both of them are used to schedule meetings. And the one that I want is not schedule a meeting. It's take a poll and I always click the wrong one. So I said on this site, hide the schedule a meeting link. And if I ever click on a link to the URL for schedule a meeting, redirect me to

1:31:55the poll link. And that's it. It's done. It's just for me and it's completely solved my problem on that website. One description to describe it as a Safari extension and I've got it. And you know, I have another website where there's a missing tool, missing item that I have to keep remembering what's the URL for that because they, they took it out of the menu bar on the webpage. And I just described an extension that said, could you add in the navigation on this site? Could you add a link to this URL? And it was like, got it chief and it did it. And that's it. That's how it is. Right. Simple where it's like, I just want this to be slightly different. It's not even like I want to build on it in my own ad blocker. It's just like, can you hide this thing that I click on by mistake all the time? And it will just do it or can you do a redirect on this site when I click on this? And it'll just do it. So some really nice features. Touch screen max are coming and you can tell because they added touch screen complete touchscreen support to sidecar, which is how you can use an iPad as an external

1:32:56Mac display. And the best review I can give of it is it just works. It's fine. If you try to navigate the Mac interface from that's by a sidecar on an iPad now, it just works. As you would expect, you can tap on things and double tap on things and drag things around. And it just works. So I anticipate that those touchscreen max will not blow anybody's minds. They will be like again, they didn't need to do a weird affordance and have things like draw a big ring around your finger when you touch the screen and stuff. It just works exactly as you would expect it to work. And you know, you could scroll with your finger and whatever. And it's all fine. So like, this is the good. I think these are the, these are the good news things about it. Is they added some nice productivity? Oh, and there's a bunch of photos features that I know we talked about in June, but nobody pays attention in June. The only tip is now we have new AI features and photos clean up as way better. There's like two versions of cleanup. There's the old one which runs on a model on your Mac, but there's a cloud model that you can use that's better, especially it's better at inventing what that background

1:33:58pattern is behind the thing you just erased, which is the key. If you're going to erase something in a photo is you need to replace it with a background that looks realistic and fits in with the rest of the background. And they do it. They have an extend feature that's nice. Although, again, it gets weirder the more you extend it. So I would say be judicious in how you extend it. Pretty good job with your picture of the WWDC. Yeah, it filled in a bunch of it knew there was a crowd with a bunch of people holding cameras up and it kind of like drew the people who were holding the cameras up and drew the rest of the frame around the stage and drew the rest of the tree. You know, drew a tree over there behind it. Yeah, it just it will make things up. I mentioned in the story that I tried to extend a picture of my son's graduation photo. And he's got his cap and gown and his cap's got the tassel on it. And I extended it and added like a weird lamp that was not there at a giant tassel hanging from the ceiling.

1:34:59Like it assume we were. And it's like a lot of it was like, oh, tassels. Tassels are we? Let's do big tassels. Like no, no, no, no, no. So I mean, that's my actually is great. If you need just a little headroom, oh, I wish I'd given myself more headroom. Right. It works really well. Just inspect what it's done. Like we took a bunch of graduation photos. So his graduation was at lots in stadium at University of Oregon. I tried to extend one of those photos and like it added a roof to the stadium. It's not there. And I was like, I can't use that because that's like it's fat. It's it's obviously fabricated in a way that I'm going to know. And I just don't want to deal with it. You know, eventually these models will get better and they'll look at and they'll be able to look at the context of the photos you took at the same time. And that you know, that's kind of the dream of an extend feature is like if you've got other photos that you took that were horizontal. But this one is vertical and you and and you want to extend it horizontally that it will the model might even be able to like look at the next photo over and

1:36:00say, oh, that's what was up there. I can I can draw a version of that. But this doesn't do that. This is purely generative based on the single image that you're putting up there. But it works. Okay, just use it with caution. And then the reframe feature that they've got, you really need to use with caution because the more you try to change the camera angle, the more it has to invent. And you very rapidly get in the uncanny valley where it's indenning the sides of people's faces and it looks weird and artificial. Or putting, you know, tassels everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to look at a picture of you wearing a fizz and it's going to be like, oh, everything has fizzes now. I got it solid. So are we a question asking for a friend? Are we going to get those touchscreen max next month? German says yes. And I, I think that it makes sense when you realize that we had that report from German that they're not going to do in m6 and they're going to jump to the m7 for pro and max chips. If that's true and those are coming next fall and all the touchscreen Mac, OLED touchscreen max are going to be as existing chips.

1:37:01You kind of want to ship it now and start the clock. Yeah, that could replace them in a year. If you, it's too short. But first off, the m5 has been out there for ages. So like you might as well ship it now, shipping an m5 pro Macbook pro in March of next year and then replacing it in the fall seems a little bit silly. So it makes sense to do it now. And German has said by the end of the year, they will ship that. But but again, don't get too excited. It won't have the m6 in it. It will be m5 pro and max. You know what she really I'm asking for my wife. She really wants a good screen. And I think it's worth waiting for an OLED screen. I don't think touch is worth waiting for. Well, it's coming. And I don't and she's perfectly happy with it. And five German says it might even be a max, which would be great. There'll be a pro and a max variant, right? Like those those chips already exist. Yeah, they're out there. They're selling them now. Yeah. Yeah. So that'll happen. I eight gigs of RAM. But that will be fine. Yeah. Now I think Apple has a secret ram cache somewhere they're finding.

1:38:05Well, yeah, I'm just stealing from I think they're stealing from other products. I think you're seeing lesser products kind of availability stretch as they steal RAM to put in the products that they're going to launch. But yeah, it says a lot of new stuff coming. Some of the home stuff too. All the home stuff. Will that be next month also with Apple not doing any home stuff in the iPhone event? It feels to me. Yeah. If you think back there, many not all years, but recently there have been many years where Apple has done an event around Halloween. Sometimes it's right before. Sometimes it's early November, but like around Halloween, they often will do a press event in New York City. This is one of those things where I get a phone call that says Jason flooded New York City next week. Oh, my God. All right. OK. I guess. Sorry. But and like, make no mistake. I will do it. If Apple asked me to flood in New York, I'll do it for a product launch. Sure. Otherwise, they won't ask you again. So you say yes. So it is, it seems to me that it's what they're going to do again. Like they're going to do it. It just there's so much out there. It's hard to imagine that they're not going to have some sort of product event in and most likely.

1:39:10You know, they always change just when you think you got a pattern down. They're like, no, we're doing something totally different. But if there's a pattern, it'll be like late October, early November. We're going to take a little break and talk about Emmys and Vision Pro. When we return, you're watching Mac break weekly with Christina Warren, GitHub, Queen, keeping busy at the get the hub. They have a nickname for it. Like we're here at the get. Can't sign the get. You got us, maybe say that. No, no, no, we're the hub. I mean, we're known as hoppers internally. Like that's hoppers. That's good. I like it. Yeah, we're hoppers. Yeah. All right. Excuse me, but Boston is the hub. We had it first. This is fair. This is fair. From the hub, Andy and Ico, also from the library and Jason Snell from six colors.com. He's got a Vision Pro sitting right over his right shoulder. And Casey needs to whip it out at any time at any time, which you might because the vision

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1:43:14Oh, no, look, I blame my vacation. I'm rusty right now. The rest of the road. There really isn't any vision pro news. I've just taken the OS 27 news and FWEDG did in. Are there vision pro updates in a vision OS 27? Of course, there are. Yeah, it picks up a bunch of the features of the other 27 OSs and it creates like a new like they got some Siri support in there. And there's like a little Siri sphere. I think that's in there now and they're keeping it alive and keeping it in sync. And that's really, you know, I think that's all the way. I feel like it's one guy in an office somewhere. It's probably. Yeah, he got the vision pro assignment. He says, all right, yeah, sync all that stuff in there. There's actually this actually a whole separate support document for like improve what's new for enterprise enterprise and education vision. Oh, interesting. So there's good. That's good. They're looking for a super exciting software update. It's going to be enforced on a supervised device when it receives a return to service erase

1:44:18command. Oh. And there's the new thores Merck transforming environment. Turn your space into Iceland. Thores Merck. Well, that's a nice space. I love Iceland. They've got visual intelligence is tied in there. So you can, you can, anything you're looking at, you can apply visual intelligence to using them. Nobody calls vision pro nerd glasses. I mean, purve glasses because because it ain't subtle. It is, it is its own disclosure. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's got to be a kink, not a, not a purve story. Yeah. Also, they don't let you have the purvaps in the app store. So you just got to use Safari for it, which makes it way less immersive, much less pervy. And that's your vision pro update from the world's premium. Premium. Tata, tata. Boom. You're, you're dead.

1:45:19I didn't know this. Matthew Reese is your, is your father? No, Christina. No. No. No, I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm saying like like in stand culture, like you, you call someone like your mom or your dad or what? Yeah. Or in my case, secret girlfriend. Yeah. Precisely, precisely. No, but yeah, this is a great segue though to the Emmys. We're Apple one. He's so cute, by the way. He's got a standing ovation for his second win. He won. I know. There's so many categories in the Emmys. This is my personal pet peeve that he won best actor in a drama and best actor in a limited series. Yes. Well, to correct, it was, it was best actor in a comedy series. Comedy. And lead actor, lead actor in comedy series and then lead actor in a limited series or anthology. We're talking about widow's Bay, which, yeah, would it would it would it was Bay, which which swept the Emmys it got. I think the most awards at the night. At least the main. By far, beat the pit. Yeah. Nobody thought that would happen. Well, I mean, I kind of, well, I didn't think the pit was going to sweep, but yeah,

1:46:21certainly, would it was Bay, great. It was a great effort. Fourteen. Fourteen. And I think that they got like the record of most nominees for a new show. Period. Now, as a point out, I'm so glad Steven Rout got supporting because I love him. I love him. Everything he does. He's one of the, my favorite actors. And they're coming back. They're going to have a second, a second season. So, you know, the, the, the showrunner, she run for best writing. Like they, they did really, really well, which was, yeah, flintly, flint one, which she's great. Yeah. Huge, huge win for Apple for, for, for what it was Bay. Yeah, Matthew Reese again, he won twice, which now he actually has all three acting lead awards. He won for the Americans in 2018. And then he won for comedy and for, for a limited series. So, but that, that was, that was really nice to see him like, it was nice. It was nice to see his co, co, co star in the Americans. Carrie, what, Carrie, what's her name? Carrie Russell. It was standing there in the audience cheering for her old friend Matthew.

1:47:22I thought that married, no, they're married. Well, they're not married, but they're, they have children. Dear friends. Not a long term relationship. Dear, dear good friend. Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean, I mean, I mean, they, I mean, they, I should read people magazine more because I did not know that. I just thought, yeah, no, they, they, they met on that show and fell in love on that show for real. And, and she's very supportive of her former co star, Leo. Yes. Yes. She was also nominated. And it was funny because at one point variety and they were wrong. And I was like about to correct them and then someone clearly thought they're like, oh, it was the first time they've ever been nominated. That, you know, the, the same time together. I'm like, no, they were both Americans, the Americans, the same. Come on. Okay. But, but yeah, I mean, she was nominated for, for a best actor and actress in a wedding. So, you know, Betty Gilpin, one I love her so much and I'm so glad she won. Ray, you've earned, run one, two. Yes. For pleuribus, I think this is Ray C. Horns first. It was her first win and nomination. I think, yeah. Fantastic. She definitely deserves that.

1:48:24Six wins for pleuribus, outstanding writing, for Vince Gilligan, lead actress for Ray C. Horn. Is it Ray or Rhea? I'm going to get an email from Ray. It's a Ray. Okay. And production design for a narrative contemporary program of one hour or more. There are a lot of Emmys. Okay. Yeah. Standing picture. Anything from a drama. That was last week. That was last week. Three nights to, it was, is that like two shows before the telecast and then the telecast? Yeah. Although you know, the end girl, the director, saw, saw Matt Stein. That's good. Uh, Margot's got money trouble. We talked about this last week in Palm Maria. We talked about those last, those are last weeks. So 89 nominations across 15 programs. And, uh, a record, uh, 29 wins, which I think, finally we could put to rest the notion that Apple TV is not great. It's good. Oh, yeah.

1:49:24I don't think that's ever been, I don't, it's, to me, that's not like it for the first year or two. Oh, no, the first couple of years. No, once they bought the Sony guys and it, it became, right, but that's, but that's been six years now. So I think that, that argument has gone away. My only argument that I've ever made for folks is that if you were to compare like, especially when they raised the prices, right? And, and, and obviously most people get things in a bundle, but when they raise the prices, I do have to say just because they don't have the back catalog that everyone else has, it, I think it is a her argument. Like, if I had to choose between HBO Max and Apple TV, I'm, and I can only have one, I'm going to choose HBO Max. And, and it's not because I don't really love the quality of the content on Apple TV. It's just that I have 30 plus years of back catalog on an HBO Max that I can watch and additionally. And now you can get shows. And I've talked to your pimple popper on HBO Max and so there really is an unlimited supply of great content. What do you have for data if you polish off Fando Brothers? It's, it's true. It's true. But, but I think that that, that's the only considering they don't have the back catalog

1:50:26content that the other. They've done what I have. And they know. The fact that they're originals. I think they are far more successful and they've taken a lot more seriously than Amazon or, or Netflix has like Netflix early on. I think maybe the first decade or so for Netflix, for first five, six, six, seven, six years, Netflix really did kind of hone in and was like, we care. Now it's completely, it feels anyway as an outsider feels completely algorithmically determined about what they're going to, you know, approve and not and what they're going to renew and not. Amazon has some good content too, but Apple has really done a great job and it was, I was really happy with all the, all the ones last night. I was also, I was glad that the pit got best drama and know a wily one. I felt like I'm a huge pit fan. But I was like, you know what? That was the right number of awards. I didn't need to sweep. They had their big moment last year. I was really glad to see what Osbe did so well and yeah, great, great night. And I will, only Taylor Swift mentioned I will make. I'm so sorry. But there was a very funny sketch that they did. It's on NBC's website with a Mershka Hargate.

1:51:28She was the host of the show and they did an SVU sketch about basically is she going to be at the Emmys or not because Travis Kelsey was playing at the time. And she was at the game but she did a pre tape segment and the whole thing was, it was incredibly well done and it was the best acting that Taylor has probably ever done, which is not saying a lot but she was actually good in it. So that was, that was a cute little moment. I didn't watch that but I'll have to find it. Sounds good. That's, and that's our, you know, that we call it now the back of the book, the media and Vision Pro section of the show. And that's all I got. We're going to take a break and you, my friends, you are going to deliver your picks of the week. You're watching Mac break weekly. We're so glad you're here and we do thank especially our club to members who make this show and everything we do possible without you. Twitter would be a mere shadow of itself. And you know, what can I say?

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1:56:38done retro style cases that kind of look like the iMac from 1998. And they put together a concept. This is not a real case yet. But I hope they do this because if they do this, and I'm not even joking, I had friends who were like, OK, this alone is enough to make me want to buy the phone. And basically making it look like an iBook case. Yeah, it's just so cute. I want this badly. Ideally, with them so you can access the screen on the front, I don't necessarily want that to have a background. And I'd like that to be open, but that's so cute. I think they're going to do this. I mean, why else would you? Tweet. Why else would you tease it? Yeah, I mean, like last year they had, and I still have it on my device. They got the, or I guess earlier this year, they do retro stuff. Look at the beige Mac. They do retro one, right? I hope that yellow is just like a real beige Mac. Yeah, and I mean, it came exactly looking at the color. And I love it. That's been a great case. So that was my main pick.

1:57:38But the one thing I did want to mention and shout out to John Gruber for noting this, they did this on Twitter, or X, whatever. I know that everybody likes Twitter, X, and X cancel, knitter, things like that, you can take it down. There are lawsuits, all kinds of stuff. Regardless, there are three different extensions, one for Firefox, one for Safari, one for Chrome, that will basically, if you click on a link that goes to a Tweet, it'll just open up in a modal window. And let you view the... Oh, so you don't take you to x.com, you can actually see the Tweet without going back. Exactly. Without going to x, you don't have to deal with the logins or any of that. And so, you know, if you're, again, it's on all web browsers, and it works on mobile, which is nice. So if you're somebody who, you know, you don't want to visit for whatever reason, I am on Twitter still. But if you're not, these extensions, I think, are great. So that's the best thing. It's got a great name, litter box. Litter box is really funny. Yeah. So it's available for free.

1:58:40So you install it from the app store, and then it adds that to your browser. Yeah, well, that's for Safari. And then there's one for called dumpsterfire, which is for Firefox. And then post-peak is the one for Chrome. Nice. Very nice. Love it. Very good recommendations. Thank you. And do you not go? You're pick of the week. We were talking earlier about that wonderful transition when you open up the iPhone Duo. And I mentioned that as soon as that video like streamed, everyone was trying to see, oh, how can I get this going on a Samsung Fold? How can I get this going on a Google Pixel Fold? And someone said, how can I get this going on a MacBook? And it's posted to GitHub. It's called Mac Duo. And it will, if you have a modern enough MacBook that it has like an actual, like, as the hinge sensor. Is this when you close the lid this happens? Yeah. That's hysterical.

1:59:40And you actually put together like six different types of transitions. I don't think it's a system extension. So it's not as though it'll, it basically lets you see how cool that would be on your MacBook. It is on GitHub. It's all like, so all the code is up there so you know that it's not signed. Unfortunately, so Mac OS will say, oh, I'm going to protect you from seeing something whimsical and fun that you'll enjoy. You're welcome, but you have to click through it. But it gives you instructions on how to do that. But yeah, it's just silly. I like the one that rolls up. Exactly. It's like, I want this as a system extension. I would have this installed immediately. There's a way to know that your MacBook has started to open or close. Get an approximate sensor. Yeah, somebody made a utility a while ago that added like a creaking sound. Oh, that's too cool. When you open and close it. You can actually have an aperture if you just, just like how the just like how the iPhone duo has that has it that it is reporting out on the MacBook.

2:00:40Oh, that's very cool. Mac duo. It's on GitHub, of course. And it's for your first stuff is very nice. Jason's down. You're pick of the week. Well, back in the earliest days of the App Store for the iPhone, there was a game that these three guys came up with called strategy, which was at the time a slightly more current reference to the Will Ferrell sketch on Saturday night library played. George W. Bush. And they asked him to describe his his foreign policy and what and his response was one word, strategy. Hey, strategic was a risk. You never said that will Ferrell said it. And it's in my head that George W. Yeah, no, no, no, it was will. I think George W. We said it later, but it's because of will Ferrell. Oh my god. Strategic was a risk clone. I love risk. One of our favorite games and the best thing about it is that I've never made a play risk. Unlike, unlike risk where you have to like move a bunch of pieces around on the board. This automatically rules the dice for you. And on Mac remove the armies. It was on a on a generic board, not on like a world map.

2:01:44So, strategic was great. We reviewed it well. My old pal Lex Friedman gave it a great score on Mac world back and when we were reviewing all those first wave of iPhone apps, we ended up putting it in. We gave it like a like a award for best strategy game on the iPhone. We love this game. And it's been playable up till iOS 27. But an iOS 27, it crashes. And so the iOS 27 beta's came out and it broke. And it was very sad. And a bunch of people who still were playing it were sad about it, including my friend Lex Friedman. And Lex was like, what if I made a new version of strategic. So he did. He did. And that is not the end of the story. Because then he was like, I kind of feel bad that I'm knocking off this game that I love. I wonder if I could find the developers. And he and I both were like searching our old email archives to see, do we have any? I was like, I'll have this email address. He's like, I already have that. It doesn't it doesn't work. I'm like, okay, he mentions one of his collaborators and he's like, ah, let me look and see where that guy is. Oh, that guy works in Apple now, which is hilarious.

2:02:45Like what Lex said was, guess where he works? I'm like, Apple is going to be the answer here, right? Lex got in touch with them. They have all like basically grown up and become adults and they've gone on with their lives and have stopped updating strategic. Obviously, but it's still worked for a very long time. Great. And Lex basically said, well, I want to solve this problem of it not running on 27 and essentially Lex bought strategic and on day one of iOS 27, there is a strategic version for update that includes not only Lex's rebuilt version of strategic with the blessing. It's in the like, if you paid a dollar for strategic in 2010, you get this update for free. If you haven't bought strategic, it's five bucks now, inflation, but it's actually the official update to the app. And there are a few people who work very unpleasant people, I would say,

2:03:45who are like, it's not the same, which, no, it's not. He, there's an Easter egg. If you tap and hold on the strategic logo for five seconds, it opens the original game inside the game. Nice. But Lex has put a lot of work into it because he's been playing this game for like 15 years, more than 15 years and loves it. His press releases also amazing because he quotes his own review from Macworld and then says, I still agree with this review, but now it's a conflict of interest. We just hilarious. Anyway, did he five coded? How did he do it? Yeah, I mean, it's a, it's a combination, but there's a lot of AI building going on. That's the beauty of AI now. You can take a game and do that. But it's incredibly detailed. And then of course, he also got access to the original because he's working with the original developers. So the original app is in there too. Anyway, it's a fun game. It really is. You can have enormous maps or small maps. I'm going to start right now. There's like a chaos mode where you, there are certain terrains where if you take them, you spin the wheel and good or bad things happen. Tough computer opponents.

2:04:45It's just, I mean, and again, I think the worst thing about risk was always, well, there's two things. One is you're invading actual spaces in the world. And it gives you the chance to find the, yeah, can come talk to it or kutsk. You can bring some mind kind of a little, a little bit of the unpleasantness of actual war. Maybe this is just kind of like completely made up terrain that you're taking over. So there's that about it too. And then again, having to manage all the little plastic pieces and all those dice and calculating out what to do. I mean, computer does that for you. Computers are real good at that stuff. Anyway, strategic it's back. If it ever really went away and thanks to Lex for bringing it back. StrategicGame.com or just search for strategic on the app store. Good man. I expect because of AI to see a lot of things revived, you know, that that have been abandoned where. I'm glad he got the original developers back involved. Yeah, he just felt like that was the right way to do it. And I love that he's, if anybody who bought the original game gets this update for free. It's not a new version.

2:05:46It's just, it's just the next version of the strategic. Very nice. Great recommendation. I'd like to remind people if you don't use HomeBrew on your Macintosh, you absolutely should use HomeBrew. It's the missing package manager and it's the way I install. Pretty much everything including AppStore apps, binary apps and of course all of those Unix style apps. That's how it started. HomeBrew 7 came out two days ago. And it now has a GUI. It's got stronger sandboxing, which is very important these days. It's a little faster and it does end, you know, Mac OS 10.15 support and Intel Macs. But if you are on a modern Mac, you probably should upgrade. And if you don't use HomeBrew, this is a great time to give it a try. It's a, I think, I must have on all Macintosh's. Yeah. And their maintainer, Mike McQuade is a fantastic guy.

2:06:46I worked with him for many years and no, HomeBrew is great. If you are on an older version of Mac OS that the newest version does not support, they have a whole migration path you can use Mac ports. But so if you're on like a like a C Mac for retro reasons, but yeah, otherwise, I think they are supporting the last two or last three versions. I think if you're using it, I think HomeBrew, if you just type, Brue updates update, it will get the latest version 7.0 on there. And for security reasons, I think it's probably a good idea to do that. A lot of lately, we've seen a lot of these repositories be compromised. I don't, there's no reason to think HomeBrew has been. I've never seen that. But it's a good idea. I like the sandboxing things like that. There's also GUI up for it now. There's a GUI, yeah, isn't that great? Yeah, well done. Yeah, there have been a number of third party ones for years, but now the fact that there's an official one, I think is awesome. Yeah, Brue install HomeBrew app, if you don't already have that HomeBrew dash app, and Brue.sh if you don't have HomeBrew, get it.

2:07:48It's all free. It's all free. And the people who package it and maintain it are very, very good folks. You're right. Yeah. How do you know him? Did you work with him? Yeah, he was a GitHub. He was a Hubber for a long, long time. And actually was like that was part of his primary job. And a GitHub was that because we use HomeBrew for all kinds of things. Oh, I didn't know that. And then he left them a bit ago to start his own thing, doing HomeBrew more full time. But yeah, he was a Hubber for a very long time. Great guy. We still have people at GitHub who are contributors to HomeBrew because a lot of the infrastructure for how HomeBrew works is tied very closely to GitHub. Oh, that's interesting. So you use GitHub CICA, CDN. Yeah, more than that, even in terms of how you do the packaging itself, they both share RubyBase. So there's similarities there, even putting that aside. The way that you would do a package and stuff in the way things are maintained happens on the backend. GitHub is the place where packages will come in and say,

2:08:50OK, I want to maintain this bottle. And you create a file, a brew file that will have the information there. And most not all, but most of the libraries that are served from HomeBrew are coming from official GitHub sources. And so that's part of how the policy works in terms of making sure you're getting the latest update or not is that if it's a library or something, for instance, it's making sure that it's been verified as being the latest version from upstream, you know, from like, you know, whoever made your utility or whatever. Or if it's an app that it's going to whatever the official DMG is from the provider. But in some cases, there are also people who maintain their own, they're called, I guess, casks, like you can have your own tap if you wanted to host something on a brew. Right. So so for instance, my ex version is tapped on GitHub. Exactly. And so a lot of times, like if you're not part of an official, if it's not part of the official home brew package system, there will still people who will have their own taps that they're maintaining usually on GitHub. I mean, you could do it on another GitHub host as well,

2:09:54but GitHub makes it easy. By the way, it's not mine. I wrote it. It's real weight. Right. But the one I use is using. There's one other benefit to being on GitHub. You can be a GitHub sponsor. And if you use home brew and you love it, I'm shocked only 733 people are sponsoring home brewers. I know that the users are in the hundreds of millions. I've been donating $5 a month to home brew for as long as I can remember because I use it. And I depend on it. And so that's a great reason to be on GitHub. I mean, you know, when it first came out, like Mac ports and Darwin ports, and there were a couple other projects too that predate it. But home brew really made it easy to do this sort of thing. And I remember when they came up with the Linux version, I don't know, probably eight or nine years ago. And there was a lot of question at the time. I was like, well, why bother with this? You know, with you have after or, or, you know, something else. And honestly, that's not a bad question to ask, except if you are a Mac user and you're more

2:10:55comfortable with those things, the fact that that home brew also exists on Linux is great. And the closest Windows equivalent for anybody who's watching that would be there's there are a couple of there's scoop. There's chocolatey and then when get is one that my. Yeah, he's chocolatey for a long time. So Microsoft came out with their very own and when gets good. Yeah. Thank you, Christina Warren. She's film underscore girl everywhere. And of course, she's Christina Warren, the Christina Warren. She's a hubby hubbush hubbush. I'm a hubbush. I'm a hubbush. A hubbush. I'm a hubbush. I'm a hubbush. Could be hubbys. That would be kind of cute too. She's a hubbush. Uh, developer relations at the GitHub. Thank you, Christina. Thanks for installing the arm. The robot arm that is reaching. It's great. Thank you to Andy and Akko who will bring his own arm to the library every week just to do this show. Andy's website is an Akko.com. IHNATK. Oh, you remember that because IHN stands for I have no idea how to spell an Akko. Yes. IHN and the rest

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