Lizardmen History Pt4 | Warhammer Old World Lore

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1:00Second time's it, Tom Ben. Hi. Hi. Who despite years of alien effort still knows next to nothing? Sure. I'm my dear brother, DARREN. Dear listener of your system lives, as far as you're aware, this is the 14th take. I noticed so much about Warhammer. It's frankly disturbing. I'm a novice day. After the physical attempt at playing for a alongside many moons ago, this dichotomy between our levels of understanding became clear, and this series is an attempt to address that to the world. What I've noticed with the longer intros at the moment is that the music stops like halfway through them, and we're just talking afterwards. The musician's just kind of like, oh fuck it. Through the way. Okay, that lutes and and hops away. They're lutes and two.

2:00All right. Everyone okay? Everyone here? Every week? Yes, word. Yes, word. Word to your mother. Crow, what's that recap? Come on. Let's go. We've no time for smart German children. Let's go. Hello, Reikland. It's time for the Roads Ebeneukap. All right. Hello. Do we need to get out to it? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. What is timeless? It's timeless. Well, the older ages. Yeah, the the voice is broken. This I like it's not really like a four year old Cockney man. That's that's that's the yeah, that's the program. That is the evolution. All right. The job is we can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. Anyway, yeah, let's recap this situation. Lizzieman History Part Three.

3:00It was a pretty shit time for the Lizzieman. Although that's karma for you, right? Darren, that's what you get. Yeah. I was like, how long is it going to take him to get out of here? I think it is. I think it was a bunch of decks. I think it was a bunch of decks. Destroy the world. Yeah. Yeah. It's very hard to feel sympathy for them. It really is. It really is. Nonetheless, they had to endure what they call the age of strife. Lustrous isolation begins to collapse under invasion plague and colonization, Ben. We saw Clan pestilence, the scavenon niche, a devastating plague of war across lustrous and the creation of the clan. What was the guy at the founders name? Nurglech. Wasn't it? Was the yeah, the founding father heat to give us the lens. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The full of shock. Shackwakan, Shackwakan, which paved the way for the rise of Sotech. And then we saw the century long war. Was it? Oh yes, yeah, the century long war to drive the scaven from lustrous.

4:01From, I can't pronounce his name, the prophets of Sotech. Tijuana. Tijuana. Yeah, Tijuana. Something like that. Ten, ten, one. Ten, one. Ten, one. Ten, one. Ten, one. Yeah, Tijuana, one. Is not. Um, Tijuana. Is not shampoo because I'm more Tijuana. Tijuana. Wait, that's Timothy. I'm more yell. Is that you? My middle name is Timothy. Timothy. Timothy. Timothy. Shallamay. Timothy. Wow, that's a brand. I haven't heard since the 90s. At least in a year. I don't think, I don't know. I've never, I don't think you're sick. Yes, yes. You're right, Darren. Fuck, we don't fucking cares. Prophet, Prophet, Prophet Sotech. Oh yeah. We saw a bit of a green skin action, didn't we? Some orc tribes appeared out of nowhere, threatened the dissection.

5:02As is their want. As is their want. The dark, the sneaky dark elves raiding from the north, they were sacking temple cities. And looting ancient artifacts. Yeah, not a good time, not a good time. Oh yeah, and of course some new threats in Austria. The good old legendary zombies, I guess. They established the vampire coast. Luther Harkon and his band of merry, fleshless, shambling zombie pirate people. Hot. And oh yeah, and then the north found a way to skeggy as well. So yeah, the, the lizard men went from being quite a happy ignorant, if I dare say so. Race, just keeping themselves themselves, trying to appease the old ones to now, they've got tourists. They've got tourists invading their lands, taking their jobs. And they're like, the tourists that came on a traveling visa and they're like,

6:03do you know what? Gonna stay. So actually quite. Yeah, exactly. Was it new skeggy or was it just skeggy? Was there an OG? It's a skeggy. Yeah, just skeggy. Was it skeggy? It's a skeggy's the name of his dog. Imagine having a daughter in name and a skeggy. Or a skeggy. It's amusing in Scotland because skegs is another word for pants as in underpants. Or knickers. Please don't make me say panties. I feel very uncomfortable. Very a skeggy's. Yeah, don't say that. Don't, don't say that. Daddy is not happy. I'm over there. Wow. Please don't use the word daddy. So, The juke however is very pro panty. In that case, we are all pro panties. We got a whole panties. Yes, we're juke and spoken. Right, yeah. Nice one. So, that's great. That was good. Yeah. It was a good episode recap.

7:03More reptiles, more amphibians, more skink. Crowd will be delighted to hear that the age of strife for the lizard men race continues. Fuck them. So, we're now a thousand years after the formation of the empire. So, after sigma, as we use. And we're going to look at first of all a couple of images to get us in the mood. Visual for play. So, if we have a look at our now ubiquitous image zero, that is a lustrian temple. Wow. That is got ganchoan. So, it's a huge pair of temples in your face, in the swampy lustrian jungle. He's walking through the middle of those motorboats.

8:05Only if you're going, as you do it. As you want. They get wider with age band. Yeah. You have to do what I call titanicking, which is where you effectively jacknafe and slide down the body. Anakin, it's a verb. I don't know where that came from. And you have to have a small figure on your head in this pose. That's good. If we also have a look at image eight, the map of lustria, just so we all know where we're talking about. You got to reorientate yourself. Yeah. Got a reorientation. So, image eight is the map of lustria, because we're doing it out of order because reasons. So, if you look at the very tipidy top tip top tip top of the map, you will see an area zoomed in, known as the gray guardians. It's a mountain range. Yeah. So,

9:06around about 1000 AS or IC, if you're going to be official, at the equinox of Tlacopec. Good name. A huge dark elf or drukey host moved towards northern lustria. The approach threatened Hicks Othel. And the Ithronymus of Pouax. And the principal language between evil Canada and Swampy South America. The other Swampy South America. Yeah, sorry. Chris, you had your hand up, mate. Sorry. Yeah. Well done on pronouncing them. They're just such a naturally unnatural, unusual worst to say, aren't they? They're just the combination of letters in these places. They just don't feel right. Yeah, I mean, for two and a half whites, it's not used to the names. It's a bit of a cultural challenge, but you have to make an effort.

10:09Are you suggesting that there are people in our world that would have less of a problem pronouncing these? Yes, the native population of central and South America, upon whom the names are based from their culture. Wattle, I think, is their language? I'm happy. Currently, they're currently screaming at their radios. Screaming with the exes. They have TVs. But we're not on them, which is why they're screaming at their TVs. Moving on. The Slan Lord Mazda Munday, consults the plaque of Wattle. Rather than answering the attacks with a conventional campaign, he sought instruction within the sacred plaques to keep it cool, pathetic word I knew before today with the great plan of the mysterious and somewhat cowardly old ones. The plaque sequence of Wattle was brought back into alignment with that of Itza,

11:15the great first city, suggesting that the response was both military and geomantic. An act intended to restore a relationship with the old ones, the old ones planetary design, I suppose, as well as defeating the incoming army. Thus, Lord Mazda Munday used the his command of Geomancy to, once again, Chris, affected the geography and geology of the planet. So he created a huge mountain range in a matter of a day, directly in front of the invaders. Rock and Earth rose on a continental scale, closing the route and demonstrating the greatest Slan still wielded the powers capable of altering geography and rather than merely destroying the troops out of hand. It's a big flex. It's a big flex. For the coming in. Mountain.

12:16You don't see this because it's behind a mountain, but I'm thinking of the bird. A bay slept well that day. It was like fucking hell. That's that, that's what I'm sorry. That's that's that. His wife or their wife was like, I want the mountain over there. Yeah. And you still haven't done the dishes. Yeah. In case you're wondering what Lord Mazda Munday looks like, let's have a look at image one. I am wondering. It is a Slan scene here looking a bit like a Croxigore mounted on top of a Stegodon. So that's the original art and the original character was no there was never an official miniature, but there was a character description and rules. So you could convert a miniature and include them in your army in earlier editions. This was done and I'll give you an example again. If you have a look at one, a, that is an image stolen stolen from the internet. So that is a

13:16Slan mage priest mounted a top a Stegodon. And so the mage priest here represents Lord Mazda Munday himself. Is that a kit bash? Yeah, that's a kit bash. The, I'm not a fan of this man, but they've got some, they have got some fucking impressive minis. Yeah. Yeah. Looks great. Looks great. Nightmare to deal with. Yeah, right. Sort of like me. Yeah. The mountain strengthened lustrous natural defenses and helped shield Hexlothal from that, which is the city of the sun, which stood as the kind of foremost bastion against the attacks from Nagar. The intervention also made it clear that the land itself could become a weapon when the Slan needed it to or when they judged an invasion significant enough to disturb their long meditations. The Greyguardians obstructed this invasion,

14:18but did not end the conflict Dark Elf Corsair's Consil approach by C doing this motion. Use hidden routes like the underage remember they attack through a huge long system of caverns that ran the length of both continents. The side gate. Yeah, side gate. Yeah. So they found a tunnel and then they went in the tunnel and they were quite far in. They grabbed what they could and then they extracted it. Almost breaking those. Yeah, took a few goals, few goals to get in because you've got to get in and then you've got to search around get the thing back out. I am upsetingly aroused. Can we please move on? Yeah. I don't know what this is. That's the side. That's the I've had enough of the invasions. Yeah. Please get your hand down.

15:24Please get your hand out of my subterranean cavern. So while all this was kind of the raising of an entire mountain range put the kai wash on it, repeated thefts of plaques and artifacts continued which ensured the hostility of hostility between Nagroth and Lustria as if Lustria was one. So that continued long after the barrier was created. Within a decade, however, a new threat emerges. A second threat has hit the tower. I mean continent. Around about what? 1,000 and 11-ish. Ceilanes within the kind of great what their Atlantic Ocean would be become more lethal and around this time as in there are raiders and pirates and so forth upon them. Around this time,

16:27Luther Harcon created an enchantment that drew vessels across the Great Ocean towards the now burgeoning and successful vampire coast. So ships were wrecked upon hostile shores after which drowned sailors and stranded crews could be raised into the vampire's service. Every increase in exploration therefore also kind of enlarged the undead population by a suitable percentage continuously presenting a threat to southern Lustria. And if we have if we return to the map image 8, we can see in the kind of just on the under boob of the protrusion on the right hand side, you can see this the the zombie or vampire coast is there. So all the colonies that we'll talk about in this and later episodes are up at the top but some ships are magically steered either through

17:32corruption of navigation or the control of winds down towards down towards the the the zombie coast. In case you're wondering how Luther Harcon feels about this if you have a look at so we've seen this image before I think last episode image 2 a representation of the zombie coast or vampire coast taken from total war war hammer 3. I mean it looks quite nice but I wouldn't I wouldn't summer there. So imagine. So the recruitment drive isn't it the whole just bring the boats smash them on the rocks and then we'll just come in and deal with the rest. Like Harcon needs you problem. Yeah. Yeah. It's true actually and when we get to an image later on we will be amused at how close that actually comes. It's like a gaggle of brit British tourists like crash

18:34landing onto a Caribbean coast and be like we're fucking here. Where's the orange pub for the records I would be absolutely fine with them all being turned into zombies that would be that would be and you wonder why we're more popular in the states than we are in the UK. I just wanted to say sorry just this is very important. It's a very important crowd point. What's the human condition where you see faces in everything it's like there's a term for it isn't it but in general humans tend to pick out faces don't they just in yes and things like that they'll they'll naturally kind of decipher a face. I know exactly what you mean. The lustrier map looks like a bad moon face kind of like looking like that and just the vampire coast is kind of the bottom of its nose river quavitsa is its little mouth is the mouth yeah it's about to take a little like a

19:35little something I don't know what that is. Anyway I know see a face I now can't unsee a face. You've spoiled a reveal that we were going to do at our own episode 200 thanks Krun. So well I think the face map is going to take over the hand map for this. In terms of if we refer back to the map again image 8 if we look at the top left corner top right corner a big pardon the settlements the human settlement still continue while this you know having this huge kind of bloom in trade and exploration thanks to as we covered in the last episode the formation of Scegi and other settlements the landfalls have already proved that humans could survive on the coast but the vampire coast turns failed voyages into kind of military resources.

20:35The lizard man does have to face not only living trespassers seeking gold and riches and other things that mean the same thing but also an undead domain whose strength it grows from this same kind of maritime maritime traffic and desire for magical items together with the ordinary merchants and raiders and explorers who are coming westward from the old world and the southlands. So one of these explorers not necessarily of Lustria but of the southlands was Ibn Jelava. We focus on Lustria as Slatland belong to the same lizard man civilization but you know within the southlands with the sinking of Chappelleot Chappelleotl remember that city that kind of slayed into

21:40the the Great Ocean they severed the direct geometric link between the two continents and Arabian commerce were now around about 150ish. Arabian commerce faced competition now from Elven and Kathy in fleets along routes to the Far East you know instead of they're sailing around to get to Kathy sailing around the southlands and so forth seeking away around their naval rivals that's naval within AL not belly buttons the Sultan orders the scholar and merchant Ibn Jelava to find an overland passage through the southlands he receives 50 camels unique soldiers the best kind of soldiers

22:43uh of the Arabian guard under Hakim and Twarik scouts hired to cross the desert like that's it I'm done with voices again for the people of al-Norosudar and you've wanted to own voice for that. It's the matter you have to stay with the theme uh after weeks of travel the caravan crossed the plane of tuskers marked new oasis is oasis and pushed into increasingly dense vegetation as they entered the southland jungles proper the soldiers struggled to cut through the jungle probably because they didn't have any balls until the expedition unexpectedly found paved roads aligned with a southern constellation unmistakable evidence of an ordered civilization hidden beyond the wildernesses fucking Graham Hancock would be all over this shit um suddenly a stepped pyramid appeared beyond the jungle I think it means it appeared over the horizon or did it just go bump

23:49um unlike the painted tombs of uh nikara the teradon mounted skinks circled the caravans and ibn forbade his men to shoot at these when skink and sawrus regiments later tracked the expedition upon a swampy causeway name of my sex tape he displayed gifts and waited rather than provoking back holes he could not possibly hope to win gifts not gifts he didn't get like a soldier that actually had balls and had lied and put him uh front and center with skinks uh if we have a look at image three we can see the teradon riders swooping over uh the southland jungles yeah with um you know a huge kind of uh sling shots but also the teradons themselves are carrying massive magically inscribed explosive stones that cause various consequences on the people they land on

24:53looks like a biblical game of conkers they're about to play is name name your sex tape biblical conkers are the conkers um uh it's some sort of are they magically imbued or something they look a bit they look a bit fiery the it's like their stone thrower is basically right oh they oh yes sorry the conkers on the strings yes they are explosive bowlers and let me tell you seek medical advice they're the test goals of the unix and they're going to throw the back let me just say a quick apology to all unix who may be listening we joke because we love yeah a skink priest then addressed ibn in an archaic form of nicaran ibn could recognize the kind of foundational words but could not fluently speak it yet he understood that the lizard men wished to know about the shape of the world and the realms of younger races this is a complete turnaround in terms of looking outwards it might just be the skinks it might not be

25:58the slant uh his church maps and mathematical instruments were carried to the presiding mage priest and carefully copied before being returned uh ip theft within uh slatland skinks gradually learned enough Arabian speech from ibn to be able to present or sorry for ibn to be able to present the request from the sultan the slant rejected and overland commercial rooms even when tribute was offered a decision that shows that the lizard men valued geographical information but would not permit foreign traffic to become an accepted corridor through lands assigned to their care within the great plan very kind of brexit revival of the south landslans if you don't mind me saying and the mage priest of slatland was preparing to recover the mummified remains of another slant

26:59believed to lie within a nicaran necropolis so the tomb kings had stolen a giant frog mummy and had buried it with reverence in one of their tombs up north mr. kraut this doesn't this mirror the brittonian tomb kings encounter where the tomb kings accuse the brittonians of stealing something as well was it was that right uh that's a little bit later but you're picking up on the same vibe yes does everyone think that the plaques are theirs is up the thing like no the plaques are ours there are ancient artifacts and everyone steals it and they're like now we're gonna get there now we've got to go and get them back yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so the lizard men understood and kind of jungle warfare and geomancy great name for twins but ebb and possessed practical knowledge of kind of the desert water routes are sorry the desert oasis routes between the oases for

28:00water and the customs of the lands beyond the kind of humid domain that is the realm of the lizard um thus a mixed army of lizard men and kind of Arabian profiteers entered into the land of the dead sorrows and skink cohorts and water bearing stegodons marched beside the Arabian survivors under the skink chief bear with me yeenie mini yeenie mini yeenie mini yeenie mini yeenie mini yeenie mini yeenie mini yeenie mini yeenie mini yeenie mini yeenie mini yeenie why am i am i n h i yep those are letters a lot of eyes and your and your countdown can under me's yes they're the travel during cooler hours resting when heat are cold hindered the the respective warriors while uh zwozmozwa right here we go

29:08zax yes zax xximal protect projectors throughout across the desert to locate the relic priests and dull the awareness of the tomb kings guarding the necropolis wax mill being the mage priest or one of the mage priests over a zlatván if we have a look at image four we can see a a stegodon have in a bit of a time moving through the jungles and into the deserts the lightning i think is just in the sky but it may be an effect of his i'm looking at his expression in confusion don't look happy anyway yeah yeah uh anundead force therefore the defenders attacked the lizard men arabi army in the heat of the day but the lizard men held firm and destroyed it skinkscribes explored shafts and scripts scripts shafts and crypts while sorris broke open sealed chambers

30:16with big bronze tools you know their weaponry um on ibn's advice dangerous scrolls were burned and several royal mummies were dismembered created and scattered to prevent their return uh and thus being able to raise any forces uh to them the recovered mage priest was born home on a palanquin ibn was allowed to keep all the golden gems taken during the expedition and he himself returned to cassava uh alight as the first human ever to know ever known to penetrates the south lands jungles and survive his wealth financed new uh arabian war doves the the great warships uh even though his original commercial objective had failed i suppose he demonstrated then that

31:18like contact with the lisman could produce under right circumstances uh negotiation and perhaps even military cooperation uh when a foreigner respected their authority and their belongings uh and there was a kind of joint objective that the lizard men viewed as sacred so there's very specific conditions under which uh this could be done the his maps kind of also foreshadowed the kind of age of exploration uh that was kind of following on from there where knowledge gathered for trade could become the same kind of foundational uh information for fleets and rivals to further their attempts to reach hidden temple cities so knowledge in itself of where these things are is neither good or bad it's the intent of the uh of the force using it mr. bed what um the the instance in a couple of episodes go where we had the high elves uh approach in uh

32:21uh elustria settlement what did they do differently what did they do wrong because it sounds like they both kind of just walked up and said hello but is it is it very sland dependent like that with the high elves just unlucky and they they just came across a sland that was just fucking grumpy it's like nah nah they should be okay come out i i think i think perhaps it's 90% it was that specific sland and 10% it would have been the high elves rocking up as thinking they were peers rather than you know uh visiting dignitaries if you know what i mean come very little difference in a high elf delegation yeah if you understand yes so it could be i love them but it isn't a kele c o for them yeah for sure yeah it's very very uh very upsetting to rob a sland the wrong way for them speak to yourself the speakers from both parties crowd it's it's not enjoyable did i say that out loud

33:24that toads dot like they're in legged mr. president my company formed the explosion on our rea on on tober second causing massive water displacement and triggering the tsunami they all heat the blame all me tom cruise is triggered on us into this mess and diggers gonna dig us out from the director of bird man and the revenue what would happen if i stopped you storm you freeze to death that's what with great power comes great deniability i'm not the earth then digger see the tree long on only years of tober second rated R under 1790 without parent so in the year uh 1237 uh the city of echoes uh zahu tech if you look on the map of lustria it is the city underneath directly underneath the bottom left corner of the little insert uh in the uh top corner of the map so it's the city of echoes right so zahu tech had been the first city to fall during the great

34:28catastrophe after a rift a rift opened up in its defenses uh its mage priests were slain his spawning pools tainted probably with poo and repeated attempts to restore the city ended in disaster again probably because of poo uh even when the ruins appeared silenced the breach beneath remained kind of capable of reopening so it was like a twitchy anus very scatological this section in 1237 the old rupture flared and a huge demonic hemorrhoid poured forces out into zahu tech itself because the city lay empty and clean for the first time in his life and was watched from its perimeter rather than being uh permanently reestablished or inhabited um the first task obviously was containment um probably some sort of tight elastic pant uh preventing the accursion from reaching intact temple cities or spreading along the geomantic web uh once again our roving warrior leader

35:34roving warband leader uh croc gar of last episode not gar rock that's a different guy the great sorus old blood was unleashed upon the demons while multiple sland work to close the breach very much reminiscent on a smaller scale of the vortex of chaos the battle for in terms of huge warfare distracting all the chaos magicians i don't know why i said it like that and then uh while while uh sorcers work to solve a problem um croc gar the last defender of ruins lottle and the commander of hexothel's surviving host embodied the military answer to a threat the mage priests had to defeat through ritual uh and concentrated well so he was the distractor the battle repeated the pattern of the great catastrophe

36:40sorus armies brought time with their lives while the sland performed great magic on a scale no ordinary warrior could influence uh if we have a look at image five that is croc gar mounted on what is effectively a t-rex um named Stephanie so yeah that's pretty bad it's pretty bad ass image pretty cool wrong what's it taken from singing ignorant is it from total war yes that's an image taken from total war total war hammer three two or three i don't know which ultimately the breach was closed again yet the city has continued to remain cursed uh guards continue to watch its approaches and future demonic manifestations would emerge from the same place um the lizard man thus entered kind of later centuries of the age of strife with some of their permanent strength laying siege uh you know committing to imprisoning an

37:45enemy already inside their will very much a demonic boil on lustrius hang on let me zoom out on lustrius eyebrow uh if we're using the face map yeah a crowd face map face map continues well the face map itself i can get down with the face map yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i bet you can you filthy bitch isn't that a song by a creed or someone drowned i could get down with the face map hang it down with the face map i can't remember what i called created the song silence i have a suspicion it will be the most mentioned thing within the comments for this episode at people screaming the name of the band at me no idea yeah so we're down with the sickness but also a few hundred years later there is growing pressure again within lustrius mostly because of the vampiric coast but

38:48also continued dark elf raids and continued colonization efforts by uh let's say whitey because i'm trying much like billbar i'm trying to bring that word back um mm-hmm Lutherharkon launches a new offensive beneath a cloak of faux mist uh and overwhelms the city city of axlottie uh if you uh go straight down uh from the city of the mousel of the lip yes there we go is just south what directions that southeast of quetzar you see axlottie yeah uh the settlement was destroyed so completely that tradition claims no stone remained on another while the undead the undead carried away um uh huge amounts of arcane artifacts this was a direct territorial loss to a foreign power already rooted and established within lustrials soil so the phone call is

39:53coming from within the house yeah if we have a look at image six we can see Lutherharkon uh scene here telling you where to put the next artifact by the end of the the kind of this period uh the lizard men did not regard the arriving fleets only as kind of fresh enemies their mobilization also offered opportunities to reclaim lands and ruins from harcon the struggle for lustrials but therefore become a triangular uh a hate triangle uh with newcomers newcomers undead pirates slan or lizard men constantly attacking each other probably with passion probably in hotel rooms once a week um so 1487 uh unseasonal mists allow dark elf ships to

40:53enter the harbor of uh remass great name uh while its galleys were absent uh in the great uh country of tilia the raiders were uh checked at the battle of the bridge as we will cover when we cover the dogs of war untilia but they burned part of the city and carried away captives uh the assault created a desire for revenge and an urgent urgent curiosity about the western lands from which the attackers came the high elves condemned their kind of nagrothi can but did not explain the geography of the western ocean uh so reeman merchants therefore turned to uh arabian charts north stories and privately funded expeditions uh information once controlled by elves or preserved amongst norskin sea fairers began to pass into the commercial networks of of tilia

41:55and other uh countries so again we're tying back to this idea that with the age of exploration and these maps it attracts treasure hunters uh privateers and the fun loving drunkards of uh fantasy scotland to take them up punk so fun loving drunkers uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh direct um that's yeah that was such a great album the direct consequence of this is that in 1491 a an explorer by the name of marco columbo um acquired a chart from a north seafarer showing the coast of lustria and the approximate position of settlements founded after lost iris and uh and practical marks for prevailing winds and hazards and the expected days at sea this continent now was no longer kind of a fictitious legend of a place made completely of gold and swamps but a destination that

43:01now could be planned for logistically and therefore opening up massive trade routes trade routes thus the fucking names it just it beggars believe in 1492 columbo sailed the ocean blue and three ships cross the great ocean the nino the bimbo and the pintoligala pintoligala laga laga yeah pintoliga uh sailed for lustria and remained at sea for 144 days columbo's vessels avoided high off patrols north long ships pirates crackings some sort of surfing guinea pig and finally landed far south of skeggy and safely north north of the vampire course their arrival fell on the 15th day after the zenith of the itch li star as foretold in the

44:06prophecy of zocled clap rock because i've been in the fight before every imprenence the action yeah let me just manage my way this is going to take a week off my life sloth all right if we turn to image nine this is markle columbo hot pompous bastard uh there was in six the edition a conquest of the new world mini campaign that came as a kind of 20 page supplement for white dwarf where you could fight battles within lustria it had rules for like jungle warfare and different types of plants and so forth there was also a miniature of markle columbo scene in nine a scene here looking at i suspect what is just a giant gold version of

45:07an alien skull yeah it's got a predatory babe xenomorph yeah there isn't them mm we we did discuss what that might be but it is just speculation it's just a bit of treasure he's found as far as we're concerned could mean anything right yeah so shiny thing on the ground upon arriving markle prepared and offering the lizard men would understand he brought 33 living cap scaven captives for sacrifice to soul tech and displayed sacred objects recovered or purchased from across the old world cannons were fired to announce the landing skinks eventually carried away both the rat men and the relics and left fruit drink and food upon the beach establishing a cautious exchange before either side fully understood the other that's how you do it that's how you do it british history museum and bring a bunch of scathing fire cannons

46:09everything will be fine yeah yeah yeah yeah all the other dude visitors were eventually brought before a slan and the skin can temperature capable of broken britonian enabled negotiations lords lotto first examined the strangers after which lords play agreed to meet them the mage priest interested interests sorry arrested less with their merchandise than in what their journey revealed about the world beyond lustria and the current conditions of the old ones designs again we're seeing a outward look from the slan but only in so far as the benefits of their work towards the great plan on the rest of the planet again geography rather than civilizations is their interest this three ask three revealing questions what is your name what is

47:16your color what is the something about to sparrow and he studied columbos charts to confirm the width of the what the great ocean of world pond as the loser men refer to it and was pleased that the continents remained separated as intended he asked whether so tech had appeared in the old world and concluded that the serpent god slept beneath lustria and finally he asked how warm blood spawned to there's always one there's always a receiving and exploration involving drink music darkness and much embarrassed justigulation and shame and then reaching in for treasure grabbing it and pulling back out and I think my forearms are too white it wouldn't work that's what makes it so good white high skinks offered spices now I don't know if high skinks are skinks in the position in a high

48:22position or there were high skinks offered spices medicinal preparations edible grubs reptile tusks pearls found abundantly just I suppose just lying around ponds and the tillions considered these goods valuable however and the skinks were astonished that they could obtain foreign beads and services in exchange for things they regarded as commonplace gold remains sacred or sacred or are architecturally useful to lizard men rather than a universal measure of wealth if we have a look at image 10 that is one of the unpronounceable slan literally or sluck the talk that's a wicked image is a great image I think that's from the fourth or fifth edition lizard man cortex done by

49:23let me have a look I think that's done by a great artist known as Wayne England who passed away a few years back although I'm happy to be corrected mr. Kraut you just said gold is more of a kind of functional material than a kind of a symbol of wealth or currency do the lizard men have any sort of currency or kind of put wealth on any and riches on any particular objects or stuff or do they not have currency they may have personal possessions in terms of decorative elements like necklaces beads and so forth and then weapons but there's no concept of money or wealth within the lizard men's society it takes like that yeah it's it's all done in service of the old ones and thus the slan and the great plan there are things that are worth more from a religious perspective like gold

50:26but everything else is why would the why would you need to accrue wealth in a society where you're focused on doing the bidding of your creators for whom you know existed and you know that the other subfactions or subcultures within your race also exist yeah it's there's no there are no rich people in terms of how we would understand it got it mr. president my company told me the explosion on our way on October 2nd causing massive water displacement and triggering a tsunami they all keep the blame on me Tom Cruise is digger don't ascend to the specimen and digger is gonna dig from the director of bird man and the revenant what would happen if I stop you start you freeze to death that's what with great power comes great deniability i'm not the earth then digger see the tree long long only years until we're second rated are under 17 out of mid without parent while these negotiations were ongoing a dark elf or jucari a core sir for struck the temple city

51:31allowing columbal to witness the lizard men at war and the destruction of raiders linked in some accounts to the sack of remass so a source warriors drove the invaders into deadly waters where massive piranhas tore them apart the invaders not the source warriors while mark was surviving ship pursued and captured the dark elf vessel killing its crew and returning further plunder to the lizard people and if we have a look at image 11 here is a the tillion galleon fighting dark elf ships which is i think surrounded yeah it's got man a warship of against a bunch of like what like skiffs not skiffs that's a bit of a thing yeah they're not pretty cool yeah um the guy in the foreground he's got a kind of octop hurt i was about to say an octopussy couture-loo type face mask yeah yeah

52:35yeah what's is that is that so this is an image for again this is a cutscene image or concept image taken from total war or armor three about the campaign involving a dark elf a naval commander called lockier fell heart and so that's him so he wears this mask this ritual kind of corsair mask for him bombshell smash your dark elf he's looking at the camera guy and like i'm actually a dwarf he he he he i'm actually two halflings yeah idiots amazing so this battle concluded and more plunder returned to the lizard main and thus also the payment in incredible wealth that the luzerman culture doesn't think is worth any money uh marco now becomes temporarily a mercenary for the sland his willingness to fight sea raiders and return sacred property made him

53:35useful despite his obvious desire for treasure he and the remaining loyal crew recovered artifacts from three north long ships and received gifts sent from several cities whose possessions had been restored so he didn't just restore the lizard men's belongings he restored those of other cities as well other cultures as well this alliance obviously is practical and limited in scope and dependent upon columbal continuing to serve the lizard men's priorities within lustria most of marcos men tired of the jungle and secretly departed with two ships and a disproportionate share of the treasure their lack of diplomacy proved fatal because after raiding near pox they were captured and sacrificed the stolen objects were returned to marco what was marcos returns to marco leaving him with one vessel but enough wealth to make the homeward voyage worthwhile and

54:41enough wealth he reached tillia jen laden with gold gems and extraordinary goods his fortune helped him to rise to command he seized the city of uh trantio and establish himself as prince while later expeditions sought a dependable route to scaggy um what had been kind of a hazardous individual venture became a commercial model uh for or sorry that rival merchants uh rulers and mercenary captains wish to imitate uh reports of this wealth inspired an amada of treasure she treasure she curse treasure treasure treasure seekers irish wristwatch can you say that irish wristwatch well play wristwatch yeah it's a good one when you go when you say it slow yeah yeah so the treasure treasure wristwatches uh so tillions imperial

55:54petonians dwarves and other adventures i don't know why i was like dwarves and other adventures look dwarves man it's fact in both while uh norskins attacked competitors at sea or ambush them after landing uh followers of chaos of course were not immune to the shiny shiny um and sought gold slaves magical artifacts and exotic plant extracts to get high before the invariable and to be fair monotonous slaneshi sex orges uh or warlords saw new enemies and meet um with an a new continent and necromancers coveted the mummified bodies of dead slan and oh damn mean we have skink high priests who are also mummy mummified some old bloods may have been uh as well so you can't swing a dead slan for hitting some form of mummy uh within the uh within the setting if we have a

56:56look at image 12 this is the cover image taken from conquest of the new world supplement i think that's just brilliant uh it's a good example of a a human rating force um i think the chap in the middle might be the first version of marco columbus sculpt seen here as the annex and explorer and he's got like a lot of uh troops uh they look like empire but i think the guys in the foreground are like militia which are also empire um i was just uh just spotted in the bottom left corner hiding in the trees is a um skink uh sniper keelian skink nice three of them playing his clarinet that's not in any way kind of photo shopped is it is that is that an actual diorama that's an actual uh scene so what they did was and it was one of the rare times where

58:01game zorkshop points you to other companies uh is they go go to a uh like a garden center or pet store and by a load of uh fake vegetation that you would put at the bottom of fish tank so all of that with the exception of the kind of mat gray circular canopies uh are uh you know fish tank fish decorations decoration that's fucking pretty very cool more ships coming across obviously meant more wrecks uh more corpses and more opportunities for looter uh and his agents could mislead invaders offer undead assistance or direct rivals against the lizard men while the zombie pirates sought to enlarge their borders um the foreign rush therefore strengthened the established enemy uh within the lustrein uh borders when the newcomers believe themselves to be independent explorers the lizard man empire had recovered from the great war with clan pestilence

59:09by quite a few hundred years now but the scale of the new arrivals demanded a change and mage priest creed that abandoned and ruined temple cities should be reoccupied and defended both to deny the treasures to the intruders and to restore lost lost strategic positions they also saw a chance to recover uh territory from the vampire coast itself so 1492 really marked uh a change of age uh for the continent as a whole rather than it was simply the discovery of the new world which had already been had the shit discovered out of it previously by a few hundred years um uh by some uh that all that all happened in 1492 the bit from where I introduced Marco Colombo was 1491 getting older the maps and all this since then has all been 1492 yeah um the floodgates size of the year yeah so yes so not Norsemen had reached lustreous centuries

1:00:13earlier and elves the dark elves undead and uh Arabian travelers already knew parts of the kind of wider elements of the southern world uh Colombo's importance really lay in publicizing a profitable route um and returning with visible proof uh therefore intrusion was no longer now an exception colonization piracy mercenarianists and organized treasure hunting became enduring pressures uh upon the continent the continent the continent of the continent of mustrier excuse you that's where we'll draw close that's the that's the episode for today so don't it the while we had a trickle of colonization from the last episode this episode got the real flood gates open and so over the next few episodes of the history we'll see the

1:01:17we'll see the consequences of these elements of these choices western democracy taking hold in a native land there's going to be McDonald's and Starbucks everywhere so uh listener viewers sister wives will understand that uh the history of the lizard men is so fundamental to the wider elements of uh warhammer and sets a context not really covered before in terms of the long view that the number of episodes for our history is double what it would be normally uh for other factions yeah be good yeah so thought on thought on the events this episode i'm enjoying the well i'm enjoying a few things about it i don't enjoy the lizard men they're not my fave faction but i do really enjoy the refreshing setting that is lustriar hot clammy swampy

1:02:24rather than the traditional cold temperates windy arboreal and mountainous uh of uh uh like of of uh uh warhammer europe and warhammer kind of yeah area it's cool so there's an other list to it yeah yeah definitely definitely um and also it's becoming clear and clear that before we covered the lizard men i read it thing much of them and like they they didn't play a big role yes now i think now i hit and now i really hate them yeah true i understood they're kind of relevance to the old ones that you know you explained that but actually yeah their their history there is is like you say a lot more a lot more meaningful a lot more influential on warhammer yeah i don't think that there's a single faction that that the lizard men haven't influenced in some way through their history yeah i see why you've done the lizard men at this stage in the show

1:03:28because the number of incursions from other races other factions wouldn't be as kind of impactful to the story as a whole if we hadn't already learned about them and there was very little dimension of like there was a few mentions of lustre during you know other faction uh deep times but you know certainly not enough to give you an idea of how much they were involved at this stage so it's great i mean other than and the attraction that the lengths that these factions and races will go across the globe to get to lustre to get whatever it is there they're driven to get magic and ghoul really it's called yeah treasure and ghoul but yeah it's easy because we haven't we haven't covered the the dark elves which i am keen to to do like i think we've got a pretty solid idea of what they're like already so like when they you know come and attack us and it's tilly and galley i'm like yeah no i i've already got pretty half-coded

1:04:29that's malachith um yeah but only as part of the high elf deep to have we haven't done them specifically so we've covered their history up to the point where they are ejected from Ulthuan and become the dark elves but we don't know anything else other than two little bits here and there so it's the same with the tomb kings we've covered when we did the vampire accounts we covered the the the nicaran civilization was there until the moment the tomb kings were created and then we just focused on the vampire so we'll pick up when we do the tomb kings we'll pick up from there when we do the um the dark elves will pick up from the betrayal uh we might do obviously refreshers and stuff but i think that's really lovely to hear uh i think the lizard men give context to the kind of wider factional issues uh and uh i've already had a comment back um uh just from discussing the the scope of and the plan for the lizard men episodes that you

1:05:36know people were able to consume the lizard men episode same for instance last week's episode the the third history episode and then you can go back and listen to the scaven episodes because the scaven didn't pluriferate pluriferate i can't pronounce that pluriferate um yeah perforate uh perculate until the great kind of um magical uh world spreading that happened by the by the it also gives new context the it gives the other side of the argument for clampestilance as well so i'm i'm hoping is that these types of episodes will make people want to go back and listen to the earlier ones to see are there any clues i gave their fucking are a broke my ass getting clues into these episodes because it's very much like it's like watching it's like watching the usual suspects the first time great right then you get to the end you're like fuck me and you think about it for a while after when you go back once the second time you know what's happened to happen

1:06:40and so suddenly the film takes on a whole different uh and then you learn about what Kevin Spacy was actually like and you have to watch it a third time hole yeah yeah yeah but you're not allowed to enjoy it that third time because he's yeah yeah yeah you can watch it but you can enjoy it i uh a quick question is there an old world Scotland equivalent uh technically albeon it's part of it would be part of albeon but that's uh debatable and it but albeon is kind of the UK as as a whole isn't and it's not uh yeah specifically right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah right well you know thanks all right that's all for those I like to say if you want more old world content just hit the page and like in the description and sign up today so listen to our bonus show trunks of DARR details and imagery for the topics we've discussed in this show can be find on our website

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