Lanterns Episode 8 Review

0:00This is the Lenton's podcast on TV podcast industries and we're discussing the final episode. Episode 8 of Lenton's Dirt and Stars. Yeah, I kind of fritzed out when you were talking to Carrie. Oh, the last words that I said, I mean, exactly. What's Derek's saying? I love you. I love you, Junior.

1:00Welcome back fellow guardians. Welcome back fellow Lentons. This is the Lenton's podcast on TV podcast industries and we're discussing Lenton's Episode 8, Dirt and Stars. Yes, it is the final podcast of coverage of Lentons from DC and I am one of your host, John. I am your other host, Derek, for the finale. Yeah. Yeah, welcome back. It's still no news on whether we're getting a second season. We know that they've put together a righteous room for the second season of Lentons. That has not been confirmed because of, as some people may know, a massive takeover of lots and lots of different companies all under one umbrella company now called Skydance. So that includes HBO and includes Paramount, includes loads of other companies. There is no particular confirmation that we're going to gas more of Lentons, unfortunately, just

2:00yes. Well, let's see. Certainly from my side, it does deserve a second season. Absolutely. If they want to keep it on the TV track, I get it. It can intermingle with the films. Be interesting just to see how I think it progresses from here because yeah, one becomes two in the reverse Spice Girls tune. I guess that would be yellow as well. In the DC universe, the Spice Girls will be yellow. They'll be dressed in yellow. What will they be dressed in in the regularity? Not yellow. It's a reverse flash. Oh, well, I get you. I'll get well. So yeah, all that. So it's one becomes two as we get the fracturing of sector 2814. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Or a million becomes 9999999 and one. Yes. Absolutely. Something like that.

3:01But no, the other great thing about Lentons is that we're releasing the ratings every week as well. And it's up to 18 million ratings for the episode. So by most metrics, the show is doing very, very well. Absolutely. It would be crazy not to do a second season, unless as you say, John, they are planning to just spin this into a Lentons movie as a sequel as we've closed out who is the main Lenton for Earth and who's the main Lenton for the sector as well. Yeah, I guess so. But it'll be interesting to see. And hopefully, touch what we get. We get this Lenton John Stewart as well as Guy Gardner back in some form moving forward. We know we'll have at least one of them next year in Manage of Arachn, as we've mentioned. It did feel a little sad for Nathan Philly and it felt like he was getting a P-45 live on screen at the time. But Alas, he is still around. Yeah. So I'm quite pleased about that. Yeah. And despite the her due. And just quickly before we do the who-what-where-when and how,

4:03remember fellow Lentons to pop on over to the website at tvpodcastindustries.com where you can of course subscribe to any green, blue or white Lenton podcast player of your choice. We are in the throes of feedback and rushville redneck pub quiz. So please send in your thoughts, theories and observations as well as your quizzing answers to feedback at tvpodcastindustries.com. And of course on the pub quiz, on the rushville redneck pub quiz, indeed we have our final question for this episode. And we'll see who gets those goodies in our roundup and follow up podcast on the Lentons. Yeah, we're recording a little bit early this week as I mentioned last week. As I mentioned in my Facebook group. And so if you haven't got your feedback in now, make sure you send it into us in the next couple of days. And of course, send in your answers for the rushville redneck pub quiz. And we'll chat about all your thoughts.

5:03And announce the person who's getting the goodies on the next episode of this podcast. But I think we need to get into this episode discussion, Joe. Yes, exactly. Derek, what are some of the episode details? Well, the showrunners for the show are Chris Mundy, Demonlin, Lufth and Tom King, who are also the right shoes for this specific episode all working together through the series and making sure we get to this final point in this final episode. The episode was directed by Alex Sakharov, who we mentioned last week, who got directed episodes seven of Lantrins. And there's no one for directing episodes of Ozark, Heskards and Game of Thrones as well. John, do you want to tell us what they gave us with your synopsis for Lantrins' Epsilate? Dirt and Stars. Sure. In 2016, in the aftermath of the destruction of rushville, Kerry Kane rushes to make sure how Jordan is safe in the debris of the motel. 10 years later, in 2026, Kerry is waiting for how, as he is released from prison. Despite the tantalstility, the two begin a relationship.

6:04How gradually rebuilds his life and tries to make amends for the destruction he caused, but his fragile second chance is shattered when his home is firebond. Noah carries son secretly saves how, using his extraordinary abilities. Meanwhile, back in the alien world, John Stewart discovers the truth about Noah from Sinestro, that Noah is a manhunter created through Zoe's experiments and struggling against his own programming. Sinestro reveals that Noah freed him from captivity and commissioned him to create a powerful Lantan fueled by fear. John takes the Lantan, but is warned that it using it could have consequences. When John confronts Noah, the teenager admits to the killed hell, apparently to prevent him from revealing his secret to his mom, Kerry. Noah then reveals that terrifying conflicts inside of him, part of him wants a normal human life while his manhunter programming urges him towards power and destruction.

7:05Terrified of what he might become, Noah removes John's ring and asks him to kill him after his final game, as quarterback for his team, the pioneers. At the football match, John watches the game with Kerry, where finally the real truth is revealed. How, after being saved by Noah, understood his true identity and urged Kerry to flee with his son. Terrified of losing Noah, and believing how would expose him, Kerry shoots how in the head. John chooses not to turn Kerry in, believing how would have wanted Noah protected. With Noah choosing to continue his normal life, John makes his own decision. He summons Guy Gardner and declares that he will protect Earth independently of the Guardians and the Green Lantan Call. He says to Guy, you take the stars, I'll take the dirt. After one final conversation with Hell's holographic imprint, John embraces the fear he has spent years fighting and creates his own lantern oath. He returns to his family, charges his ring, and finally takes flight to becoming Earth's Green

8:10Lantan on his own terms. Up up and awa- Absolutely John finally gets to fly. He does? Yes. Great stuff. I like that that's the kind of closing moment of the episode that all the way through the season at the early parts of the season. He's just trying to learn how to fly. That's the big lesson he wants to get. He just puts the ring on, says his oath, and then he's able to fly because he deserves it. Really? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, really good. I thought this was a really good closeout to be honest. I think you can tell it is going into something. I thought it wrapped up everything pretty comprehensively. And certainly it was more conversational and dialogue driven than I was expecting. Yeah. But that's no bad thing because I felt ushely fulfilled from this series. So really good, really good for me. Excellent. Yes, yes. Well, let's talk about our major moments from the

9:11episode, John and our Power Ring Points. Yes, first up, Power Ring Point number one. Four. Can we have eight? Maybe I'll be on this one. No, it's four, but on the moon. Right. I think this time. Yes. Just as the, the, the astronaut did. It's amazing to think that the bottle opener has made it all the way from the first episode to the last episode because it couldn't find a better sand effect for the, for the Creed Lantern ring. That's right, the series. But our point number one, our Power Ring Point number one, Merda, Manhunters and the Kane family. And ultimately here we get the resolution to the mystery that has been going on throughout the entire series. And that is the truth about how Jordan's murder, why he was covered in snow with a bullet through the head without his ring at the football ground of the pioneers

10:16in Rushville, Nebraska. And I thought this was really nicely done. There are a few little sort of distractions and red herrings. Yeah, but ultimately we have here that it is his post sentence, love of his life. And the town sheriff, it is revealed to be Kerry Kane to be the killer of how. And it's kind of an interesting thing because it's out of fear of what he's suggesting to do in a sense. And again, it's, you know, you have that really nice moment were as that truth is being revealed because there's a few layers to this. Yes, there is. But as the truth is being revealed or it is being teased out of Kerry by John Stewart, he talks about his own mother, sort of teaching him to be fearless. And we saw that

11:16in some of the flashbacks where he was put out into sort of really rough parts of town. And then had to make his own way back. But as John says as well, it was also that, you know, his mom was scared and terrified because she was waiting for him to come or not through the front door exactly after doing what she's done. And he also at least could see that Kerry knew exactly how his mother and what his mother had gone through. Exactly. Because she knew about Noah, Noah thought that she didn't. And so it was ultimately sort of left with this impossible choice to be this protective mother. Yeah, more so, Noah knew she knew he was a man, Hunter, but thought, but she thought that Noah didn't know he was a man, Hunter. That's the even more. Yes, sorry. That's what I meant.

12:17Central part, yeah, that's why it's so complicated what's going on here. The two of them are trying to protect each other with their actions all the way through this. Exactly. And John is drawing that connection between himself and his mother Bernadette that she would be sitting at home not breathing at all until he walked in through the door. And he thought it was just about making him fearless when she's getting more and more terrified. The greater the great everything amps up. And he's kind of saying to Kerry, you must have been breathing for the last 18 years. That was a great one. That was a great one. Yeah, that's your son's a man, Hunter. That was a great line. You've been holding she was holding her breath through his entire childhood. So, yeah, says John about his own mother. Yeah, exactly. That's that's why he meant was that she thought he didn't know he was a man, exactly. And so it's trying to protect him from that, but he did know. Yeah. And he wanted to protect her from knowing that what he was. That he knew exactly. So I love I love the head that's a line day because we have that moment

13:19with with Hal and Kerry sleeping together in in Hal's in Hal's apartment in the hotel or in in Hal's house. Sorry. And he asks her to stay and Kerry says, well, I'm not ready for him to know just yet. And then when we see Noah saving Hal, we hear Noah saying to her, I don't want my mom to know that I know. And you think he's talking about their relationship, but he's actually talking about I don't want my mom to know that I know that I'm a man Hunter. Yes, exactly. I have access to all of these tools. So really interesting family secrets and family dynamic that's being kept. And yeah, I love this. I love that we have the reveal of who the murder of Hal is. In the final episode, there were loads and loads of theories throughout the season. I don't think Kerry ever really left our list. And I love that she was put back on the list by the halogram last episode when he arrived and talked her for the first time. And then was like, oh, yes, you definitely kill me. And then it moved her out another few suspects, but she was put back on top of the list. So great writing. Absolutely. I really enjoyed the bread crumbs throughout the season. So

14:23as you say with Kerry Kane, but equally with Noah, but it's almost the absence of bread crumbs. You like, there's such a central moment between him and his grandmother as we find out, you know, there doesn't as such evolve within the series, but it is doing out of size, out of mind for both what he thinks his mum and himself to, you know, from Kerry's point of view. So, but also the audience. So I like the kind of little trails or lack of that kind of hinted at, but never fully gave away stuff. So actually, even though I mean, they're going, I knew Noah was up to something. I knew there was, you know, this secret around him. And it's actually really great to come out and be revealed. And I don't know. There's a problem with it either. There's the whole thing of the mystery box, which people talk about with things like last, where they didn't know where the show was actually going. They created a really fun, interesting show for five to seven seasons.

15:27I think it was five seasons. That show I can never remember because the amount of episodes that were there. But they created a really interesting show and then closed out the storyline by the end of it. If you'd stayed with the whole thing the whole way through it, you probably enjoyed the journey and probably enjoyed the characters and probably were happy with the, that's satisfied with the end. If you jumped in to the final episode after watching a few seasons, you probably weren't very satisfied with it because they didn't leave the breadcrumbs because they didn't leave the breadcrumbs throughout the story. Whereas here, I think you could watch lanterns on the first episode, have a guess at who the murderer of Hal is and by the end of it, be pretty satisfied with the reveal of who the murderer is and the reason why. Because the complication really is in how it gets to the reason why. This story of what actually happened or the story of partly what happened comes from the conversation with Sinester on this far off planet where John was torturing him to get all of this information at him by dunking him in the waters of the fear sea or the fear lake, I guess, that he can't get past and we hear that effectively he has been stashed on the planet here by Noah

16:35who has used his grandmother's, what are we calling it, the transporting dosh, what's the the portal, who has been using his grandmother's portal to come to this planet. He is the one that broke Sinester out of prison. He broke him out so he could get him to this planet and he could build him a lantern that would allow him to charge Hal's ring when he stole it, would be the is the plan. He never got to steal Hal's ring, he never got back to visit Sinester on the planet because when Hal found out that Noah was the manhunter, he stole the portal and moved it into his safe. Yeah, absolutely. And the reason he's back there is because he was able to get the portal out of the safe with John and come back here as the halogram and then we that's how we learn everything from Sinester because Hal had gone there in the past until Sinester everything that had gone on with Noah. Well, absolutely. The reveal of Noah is really good. I like how it sort of

17:35takes place over this episode. I mean, also just in terms of the merger, he does claim that he murders Hal in order to effectively sort of protect his mom. And whether he knows he didn't do it, he put his wandering who who is it. I guess he's guessing that it's his mom. So there is that element to the reveal of Kerry Kane again, a niltha dynamic within the Kane family as well happening here. But yeah, Noah's secret that he's a manhunter. I love how this ultimately comes from Hal being attacked in his own house. He's preparing a bit of steak and bison for Earl. Then he gets a molotov cocktail thrown in as his house is firebombed. And he really doesn't get out. He kind of crashes to the stairs as they've weakened in the fire. And he's lying there.

18:37Presumably Earl is as well because Earl does show up at the end. So Earl doesn't get burnt. And we do see Earl when John's true. So yeah, so Earl manages to get out alive as well, presumably by Noah. So Noah saves two people. There he goes. Yes. Both. John and Earl. But the interesting thing here, how wakes up there where Noah has repaired him kind of in the same way that his grandma Zoe had done to John Stewart with the skin graft with the machine in this warehouse. I do like this. He says, I wish those away. I could save you without realizing without you realizing what I am. And this is where we find out that my mom doesn't know that I know. Yeah. This is the first time we get this. And then it's sort of recounted, immediately cuts into Sinestro on the alien world. He says, the boy is a manhunt.

19:38As he's speaking to John Stewart about how cubbing to tell him everything. I like how it cuts in and out of Sinestro here where he talks about and he started to follow him. And you see how he's sort of just making keeping tabs on Noah because I think seeing what he gets up to, what he does. But he seemingly has promised to respect Noah's secret to spite him sort of keeping tabs on him. Yeah, he promised that he wouldn't reveal the secret and then follow them and find out he was going to the planet. Sinestro was there. Yeah. And then that's when he goes back to tell Kerry that he knows her son's a manhunter and then he to get out of this town. The manhunter was already found there 10 years before and so he feels like we need to keep him safe. Suggest that they go running and Kerry is gets completely freaked out by it. And

20:41almost as a reaction kills how it's not even, it's not pre-meditated murder. It's reactionary when he's telling her how serious what's going on with her kid is. So interestingly, she also tells the story of the fact that when she got her finger replaced, she ended off being pregnant with Noah. So was that intended by the manhunter to impregnate her with Noah? When we heard Zoe Nice carry the first time she says you're exactly what I'm looking for effectively. So was she looking to create a child or did the procedure fix a pregnancy within her? I think he could be. It certainly would certainly make sense for that. Zoe's language there was twofold. One that she could protect her when the time arose, which is kind of how you took it in that moment. But equally, they say it's like some sort of experiment, but the technology is really advanced.

21:45I think whether she's experimenting or not, I think it might not be experimenting as such more, this is what she's looking to do. As Kerry says, I hadn't been with anyone for months, so she knew it wasn't her. So I think this is part of Zoe's plan. We also do have how saying before he's getting shot, do you know if there are any more children in rushfield that our manhunter's like Noah, like was this part of a bigger plan? Zoe technically was the last manhunter. So she was looking to sort of build out the species again, in a sense, as far as she was aware, or at least to have these allies with her beyond just simple puny humans. And do you know what I mean? So maybe I what you just wonder, but ultimately, um, Kerry says no, but yeah, still I still think they can make Maggie a manhunter in the future. Potentially, you know, the fact that she gets all that money that's

22:49that she was bribing John for. I just just didn't that there was enough of the character and what was left on screen that I know anything other than her father died in the big attack and John gave her money because she said, I want money off you. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Like she was she was black mailing John saying that she would tell everybody or tell Kerry that he was the one that punched how the face. Well, none of that really mattered because Kerry was the one that killed how. So I mean, I think well, Kerry does, you know, she makes that choice. And it's an interesting one because I'm like, what is like it does feel inherently like a choice of a mother to protect her child. However, is it more because how knows? I mean, because she's kind of like a new should never have come back before. So it's almost like he winds up to the point where that's her reaction is to pull out, spin around and shoot him in the head. And like in a sense, it's not pre-meditated. She didn't draw

23:53him to the grounds of the football pitch to do that. But, you know, it's how that's kind of burst her bubble to say that he knows what he is. She didn't know that because she says, well, he doesn't know what he is. But he's like, he does. And he's doing stuff that's really potential. He's very, very dangerous. And he's got a plan. And you need to leave the town, you need to sort of pack your bags and get out of town. So all of this becomes too much in this moment for Kerry. And it plays out with her shooting in that. So again, really interesting here because you know, that reaction to the hologram in the classroom, in the chemistry classroom, really good. I like that the hologram as well was like, well, I think she may have killed, but you know, putting her on the menu from the previous episodes. So yeah, all this was really good.

24:59I thought how it tied in, to be honest. Absolutely. Absolutely. Anything else on that main reveal at the end of the episode, I don't know. We've got lots of other stuff to talk about as well. I just like the thing that Kerry says to Jon Stewart really, where she says, she escaped from a monster in Gotham. And she wanted to make sure that she wasn't raising a monster. I kind of did like this. And I think this plays in a partly to our second point as well. But I liked that that's what she needs to know. And maybe in that moment when she killed how she didn't know that. And that's why it was too much for her. Yeah. Yeah. I really like the explanation there as to why she called Jon after 10 years of being out of 10. Having no connection with how why would she call him to say how's Dad and actually because she recognizes he's a good investigator. I'm bringing back to the 10. He might be able to give her the answer that she's really looking for.

26:03Which is yeah, that's a really cool tie-in for our tie-up for that story line. Yeah. Yeah. Shall we get into our powering point number two? Let's do it. Yes. Jon Stewart's journey effectively have Jon going from apprentice to the master. I mean, the Green Lantern. But not the Green Lantern. Well, the kind of more, I guess, somewhere in between Green and Yellow Lantern. And well, the Greeny Yellow Lantern. Do you know what I really liked about this? Because I was saying to Chris off all fair because Chris is our big comic fan. He knows a bit more about the Green Lanterns and the Lanterns overall from comic books. And I've kind of said, look, we'll pair back on on sharing stuff about the 60 years of comic knowledge unless it's set on screen unless things are done on screen. So the idea of the Green and Yellow Lantern stuff isn't really talked about on screen. It's like the first creation of it is what we see in this episode here.

27:05Yes. But we haven't got this whole group of other space aliens who are running ring with yellow rings and they're being parrored by fear or anything like that. Here we have Sinestro who has turned on the Green Lantern core. He was released from prison by Noah brought to this planet to make a new Green Lantern so he could charge up Hal's ring when he gets it. And while he's built this Lantern on this planet, it's been infused with the fear of the people that were killed there by the man hunters. There's loads of those yellow marks. So it streaks through this Green Lantern. And there's the worry what's going to happen when you charge your ring with this newly created Lantern by Sinestro and he's gone, well, it kind of harnesses the power of fear which the Guardians don't want. But I'm sure it'll be fine. But that's all we know by the end of this. There's no other sect out there of different types of Lanterns. It is purely what we know is the Green Lanterns and now there's a possibility of this yellow streak of fear going through this

28:06particular Lantern. Yeah, and I mean, there's been some nice sort of just like chats with Sinestro. I liked how he was saying they think it's a weakness to have fear but it can be used as a strong force for change effectively. I mean, it's kind of saying it's the stick to the normal carousel. But I do kind of like how it all feeds into, I guess John Stuart's journey of him sort of calling Guy Garden, which will come to him in a minute. But it feeds into that journey of trying to be the man, a man who is fearless. But there is a fear that has imbued him and it does take the recognition of his own fear in a number of ways. One from how, saying it to him. But also,

29:14I think what's really good is that he chooses that compassion over fear when asked by Noah to kill him. I think this is Noah's own fear of him realising he's caught between these two worlds. I think Sinestro talks about it being nature versus nurture. There is the whole thing and that the nature will always win out. A respective of how much nurture is going on. I think... And I love that nobody just takes whatever Sinestra says at face value. Sinestra is here saying, you know, that show me a society who has no fear. I'll show you a society that's on the way to extinction. He says Noah is definitely going to be overcome by his nature. Nurture won't save him. And John ignores that completely. That's not what he's hearing when he's talking to Noah. What he's hearing is kind of what happens to every single person when they're going through their teenage years. I could go out and I could go into the really bad side of my psyche and I could go

30:18for the worst thing possible ever. I could go and kill somebody. I could go and take over the world. Or I could go out and set myself up for life. Have a great time and playing football and get my reason and have kids. Absolutely. It's kind of the choice that everybody can make. Some big, some to lesser extent than others. This is the focus of this show is he's a very powerful being. He could do either of those two things. And John's willing to let him live his life whatever way he will live at age. But he is going to be standing over him watching to make sure he doesn't go down the back. Well, I think John's shows compassion over killing him effectively. It's not necessarily even over fear. But that's because he sees the compassion in Noah. Not just in terms of is it just something that he's going through because he's a teenager, but he tries to protect his mum. He tries to save how? As we were saying before,

31:20he says, if there was any other way I could have saved you without showing up my identity, I would have done. He is pretending to have murdered someone so that his mum doesn't get the blame for that. And you even hear some of the stories from Kerry where she's saying the reason why he didn't choose colors to go to is because he wants more of the recruitment sketch to maybe pick one of the members of his team to go on to college. Exactly. So I think it's that John sees in Noah's own choices, his own reasoning that he is showing compassion above this programming that he's so fearful that he's just going to sort of do or what's how Sinestro has described. He still has those thoughts. I mean, as you say, he talks about suddenly these ideas around power politics going to Annapolis, getting into the armed forces, getting into the secret service and slowly but surely working

32:22his way up to the height of power, the presidency. So he does have these thoughts. He doesn't know where they come from, but I like it's in the little choices that he makes that you have John Stuart recognizing the compassion shown by Noah and extends that to him by not killing him. And he just tell Kerry that he has to kill him. That's just the weirdest sentence to say to anyone. He says, I'm not going to. So I can't really like that about John's sort of thing here. So even though he's gotten the fear sort of imbued into the lalanten of the alien world, it's not, you know, there's that he's experienced it himself in the water. All of that. That he's not sort of projecting that fear of how Noah might be in 20 years to make a decision about Noah now.

33:29Exactly. Exactly. I love the part of it is John saying, you know, often ask myself, is it the programming that makes me do that? Is the program that makes me do this? The journey that his parents put them on and then he goes, oh bullshit, it's just choices that we make as we go through our lives and we can make those choices. But absolutely the decision that he makes at the end of the episode to be the lantern for Earth, not for this entire sector, not to be the entire green lantern connected to the guardians. The choice he's made here is I presume because he's left a manhunter alive on Earth and he's going to be there to ensure the Earth survives if this manhunter decides to change its mind and go for power. So I like that. You know, I think that's really interesting that he leans back on his old conditioning that came from his parents as well. Absolutely. I think that's a really sort of good point. I think also, you know, he

34:30doesn't turn carry in because he thinks that's not what Hal would have wanted. Absolutely. So even though Kerry is like saying, look, let me watch the game and then I'll turn myself in and he's like, no, there's no need. It's not what Hal would have wanted. All of that's just really, really good. And then we see, as you say, him breaking away from the guardians and the core, the green lantern core with his summoning of Guy Gardmer again. Which, again, I really enjoyed Nathan Fillion's portrayal here. I still can't care over the herding. Oh, yeah. I guess I can. Or maybe it's the gold tooth. I've been told I shouldn't be sort of focused on the gold tooth. And I think the gold tooth is the least of Guy Gardmer's worries. You can get another hair coming. That's fine. If you want. That's his hair cut in the comics as we go. It's a lot easier to deal with than get rid of his gold tooth. I do like when Guy Gardner comes and he's kind of like,

35:32let's do stop beaming the lantern sort of symbol or signal, I should say. You know, this is just for, like, emergent seas. And you know, gradually gets told about, I think he sees the ring, but it's also John basically telling him, you know, I should say, there's a great line. I'll take the dirt. So you take the start. How fun with this. Absolutely. And he's like, I don't think our paths will cross him. Right. And pretty sure they won't. And guys like, I think they might do. He's like, no, they won't because we'll be doing completely different things for different reasons. Because I like how that kind of comes from Guy taking a fence at John asking him to take a message back to the gardens. And he's like, I'm not your Aaron boy. And he's like, no, but you are the, just so really well written. I loved how it all played off. And ultimately, then this suggestion

36:36from John again, real confidence ready to take the ring. Like he wasn't back in episode five after the big battle in Rushville. Absolutely. And this is on his terms. It's not somebody telling him, this is what you have to do for us, you know, which it's really, really different. One slight thing that that may add some context on the comics, you may have talked about earlier on in the seasons. Can't remember. But one thing that might add some context, the entire sector here, the Guy Gardeners in charge of as the Green Lantern of the sector is absolutely gigantic. Earth was just a speck of dust in a massive galaxy, a massive sector. There was no real focus on it at all over time as the comic books continued to became a really important planet, of course, as it would because all the ruckus are from Earth. But the idea of him going, I'm going to protect this individual planet and you protect the rest of the sector. That wouldn't really have mattered to the Guardians. There has been this battle on Earth with the Manhunters, but it's gone now.

37:36It's okay to take one planet out of the entire remiss of Guy Gardener. It's not a big deal to have done that, at least in the original idea. No, it's almost a bit like with Captain Marvel, really, how in endgame she's like, there's plenty of other planets and systems out the not just Earth that need help and have gone through what you have. And so it's kind of the heroes that act as well. That notion, which is a good one. It is also, he's very specific about the message to the guy needs to tell the Guardians, is that if they search their hearts, they'll find it in them to let me be. So immediately I thought the suggestion that the Guardians are also Manhunters potential. Maybe, maybe, I think it might have just been because the other thing that that was delivered by John Stewart along with the ring and the Lantern was the harsh of the

38:37Manhunters, so that he was saying, look what I did for you, you can give me this one planet. Yeah, maybe it could be that. Yeah, I just thought, yeah, okay, Granz, that makes more sense, actually. I just was like, suggesting that they could be Manhunters that the secret is safe with me. Maybe that kind of thing. I was. But they created the Manhunters, you know, that and the only thing they couldn't create is the harsh that was different from that original heart. So, yeah, it's kind of up for grabs, I guess, but it is to do with just leave alone, look what it did for you, I think, is kind of what I took it out of anyway. Yeah, definitely. And also, I like then we have how kind of saying don't be afraid to be afraid. And this idea of only fearless people being able to wield the ring, how does putting that to bed? Yeah. And I kind of like that little bit of

39:38advice to John from the hologram. Yes, this final conversation is so interesting with the hologram. I think, you know, he disappears. He allows John to go through the whole point of interrogating Noah and finding out all about what was happening with Noah and interrogating. But if I do what was going on with Noah, he allows him to go along and find out what's going on with Kerry, find out what happens, make his own decisions, then suddenly he appears back up after he's talked to Guy. And John goes to him, hang on a second, where have you been? He's like, oh, Rand, I've been in your subconscious, basically. So he's been hearing the whole thing through John subconscious and didn't come out at any point to sway John's decision and says to him, I believe you're going to be better at this than I am. He didn't even give his opinion at the end as to where the John's made the right or wrong decision as far as the hologram's concerned. He's made the decision that John would make. Yeah, the decision that I made. And I bet, not a bit Kerry as well. Yeah. And about taking the ring and about, you know, all of those things that he's made. And he doesn't give any opinion at all. He just says you're going to be better at this job than I was.

40:40Which I really like also love a great little little kind of joke there, but a lovely moment between the two guys when he asks John what were his last words because he kind of fizzled out even though we heard absolutely every other word that was said, he asked John what my last words again. He says, I love you. And he goes, I love you to you. You know, nice little pro moment, put it in the other. Absolutely. Absolutely. And he says don't be afraid to be afraid as well. Kind of because you know, charge the ring. Like he's already previously told him, charge the ring. Because if you don't, you'll die. And that's back in with Sinestro on the Alien world. And here again, the danger has passed. Yeah. It's just saying don't be afraid to charge that ring because how will be reset effectively? How the God. Yeah, that's what I mean. The consciousness of the hologram goes. That was the warning from Sinestro. And the big thing that Sinestro is trying to stoke there,

41:42the fear is if the ring is taken by a new owner, aka John Stewart, and how is wiped from it, then he can never be brought back. And Sinestro put it on the table. I know how to bring him back as long as you don't wipe him from the ring. But I definitely think that was Sinestro actually saying I have a way to bring hell back in the future. And when Halc says I was in your subconscious, I'll be here whenever you need me. I think there is still going to be a way if we do get a season two that they'll bring hell back using whatever it is that Sinestro is suggesting. Yeah, I think there'll be some way to do it. I'm sure the will. I'm sure the will. Yeah. So I really like this, this kind of little bit of redemption for how as well, you know, from being that cantanker as sort of mentor and teacher, not really doing it to this, you know, finally sort of, you know, whether it's through his own mortality, his own death, and through the hologram, I've always seen more reasonable, certainly in episode one than the current hell. There has been this redemption here, and I think John

42:50appreciates that. You can sense that has been the best training he's gotten from him, and it's meaningful to him as someone that has been in perpetual training by his parents since five years old. So yeah, really, really good, I think. Sure. Should we get into our third point? Absolutely, yep. For our powering point number three, yeah, Hal's legacy. Effectively a new oath here, kind of sort of being channeled from don't be afraid to be afraid, and all this outpouring of teachings, you know, the the nonjudgmental and side of it, but also he says, well, when when John Stuart's saying, well, the oath doesn't really sit right for me, he's like, well, create a new one. Yeah, you're already got, you're only taking somebody else's ring, you've already

43:50got a lantern that's been created by Stenestro that you're going to be charging with, you might just just create a new oath that takes you to, and you're only going to be in charge of earth enough for the rest of the sector, not the only green lanterns, somebody else that's doing that. So just do your own your own oath, and it is, yeah, it's a really interesting one where he's saying, I'll embrace my fear, I'll do what's right, I'll choose this ring, and I choose this fight in service to the lanterns light, you know, that's the difference between John's version of the oath is that he's saying he chooses this fight, he chooses to do this job. It's not the ring landed on my finger, and I'm being forced into this position, I am choosing my own destiny, I'm choosing my own future, very different for for John's version of the oath. It's a dress that we talked about that, that of the first episode that the oath is always the thing that it's written on the comic book page, you kind of quickly read through it very quickly, yeah, Gran Ducayo to the oath that's been said a million times before, and throughout this series, sometimes it's mumbled, sometimes it's said pretty quickly by how, when he's charging his ring, as we saw earlier on, and here this oath is actually a much more clear version of the oath that we've

44:55heard, the other version of it at all, this is the moment when John chooses his own oath is much more clear than the one that how has been using throughout the series. Yes, definitely. I think the other thing as well that we have here is we see John Stuart giving Maggie the money in the end with a little note saying I'm still sorry, and we see him returning home to his brothers that he embraces as well as his dad is not in the care home, has been brought back home, I guess, enough windows have been smashed to get him out of there, and we see Earl at their home. He's there, yes, so we have Earl in a safe place which is always good to know for a carnivorous plant, and we see his mum coming out of the dining room, sort of giving him a big hug and sort of tearing up as she's hugging, she's got her boy back, we know there've been a strange

46:00for 10 years, but equally just that stress, that commitment to their kids, train him to be fearless, everything that they've gone through, you know, it kind of took me back to him talking about that that she was holding her breath, she's now allowed to breathe just with her son, as her son, nothing else matters in that sense. And he's a lantern as well. And he's a lantern, so that just helped the big guy who's been accomplished too. Absolutely, yeah, it's a big moment having the show end this way with John going back to his family, he is the lantern and how has gone, but what he's left behind is someone that's going to be even better of the job than he was, as he said, so yeah, great little final moment for the episode. And he notes anything else that you want to talk about that we haven't talked about in the episode or anything else you want to add as we close out the episode. I think my only note was kind of, you know, in terms of where the

47:04Green Lanterns go from here and maybe the wider DC Universe is like, you know, as a sum up really, it's just, you know, we have John Stuart who's now Earth's independent contractor Green Lantern, as we've been saying. We have Guy Gardner who is absolutely back in the picture, bought for the wider sector of 2814. Which means a superman man of tomorrow where we'll see go, go, go, go next, we'll probably take take place at the space. Yeah, absolutely. And interestingly, Sinestra is left on the alien world, but he remains there and is technically still a threat. Certainly if you've got a portal. Well, and either the portal directly in there or at least the boat to get across because it does feel like he's still in a prison because of the water that surrounds this island infused with the fear. Yeah, he says he can't swim in it, it will just lead to madness and death and just a castaway here. I know it was one of those moments where I was like, I shouldn't be thinking about this, but what is Sinestra eat? Because he's,

48:08they've still come in this forge where in a place where he can't swim through the water. If he eats any food, the lands there, I guess there's no nothing on the way. It's also infused with the fear. So they've brought all the birds and fish have all killed each other as well. Yeah, so, yeah, but he remains alive. So he remains a possible threat. We have Noah who is potentially, I've kind of, I had Dan as an enormously powerful unknown effectively. Like, yes, I think John's judgment call with him is right. Yeah. And certainly in that moment, but when could it not potentially be right and how would that work out? It could be loads of things with, you know, super villains as much as superheroes on the planet. So I like that and you then have John with this fear infused land. And you know, what are the consequences? We do say that there are

49:12potential consequences for using that lantern from Hal, from the hologram. So it's just a nice little touch, as you say. There's no distinction around, it's not about the colours, it's about the fear infusion of the lantern. And being able to control it, you know, we do know of the Skircro engulfant that uses fear. So it can be a very potent, very potent motivator. Okay. So that was my, that was kind of my main sort of notes, which was just that kind of little sum up, I think, because I think there's loads here and I'm really excited to see, I guess the lanterns season two or within the wider DC universe now. Yeah, I hope they were turned in the future. It was a bit of a missed opportunity in the Snyder verse to not have

50:17anything to do with the lanterns when we had all the different members of the Justice League coming together back then. So I'm glad that in these early days of James Gunn and Peter Safrens universe that we have a really great version of the lanterns out here. So I hope they're able to do something with it in the future, especially as we mentioned at the start. The ratings have been absolutely massive. Let's hope that they're able to capitalize that on that a bit as well. A couple of notes from me, just to mention the X and tune they chose to end the episode arm was Hero by Michael Kuhnuka, absolutely love. Love his music and it's a great tune to close everything out as John's finishing off all the little things that he has to finish off before he leaves. It's really good. Going back to the beginning of the episode of Love that we did go to 2016 and saw the aftermath of the battle at Rushville. I love that we saw the water tear fall over just to indicate exactly where we were. That was really cool. Interest that we didn't see the body of Zoe when Kerry came to the came to the motel. I don't know why. I know that John obviously cut her heart out so maybe it

51:20would have been a bit gruesome if it was a body. It is. It could bother it. But we got a glimpse of the leg. We did. We did. We did. I think we could have seen a chest open down. Maybe I just thought it was interesting. We didn't see that. We saw the leg. The leg we believe is Maggie's father. It was his leg. That's what we think anyway. Then how just coming to gun the fact that he knows at that point that he will be convicted by any court in the lounge who wishes to accuse him of reclassendangement and there will be no pushback by the guardians, which solves their problem nice and neatly. Thought that was interesting. Then I loved that we had him come back to town in 2026. We saw everything going on. I loved that dinner in the Pizzeria where everybody in town is staring at the two of them. Yes. I called it the garlic bread and ants. I did like that. That's actually good. Ever just staring at him through a gritted teeth and Kerry standing up to tell everybody, look, he's a hero in most other places around the globe. Here he is a heated man.

52:25But I think he's paid his dues. He's come here. He deserves peace even if he don't like him effectively. Someone obviously wasn't there for that because somebody set fire to his house. It wasn't Noah. It wasn't Kerry. Who was the first one to say? Billy. I think Billy. It could have been. No, it was Dad. He just, since his mom and his dad basically were killed by him or his dad and his stepmom. Sorry. We're killed by the actions of how maybe he's the one that blew up the house. We're to have Jason Risher in that role of Noah's Dad and Kerry's husband and only have him in the show for about two or three seasons. Absolutely. A very little screen time. Really? Yeah. A couple of scenes. They're all quite important scenes. I just thought it was hard to have an actor so well known to be only in the show a small amount. The last thing I just want to mention about that time we had the flashmatter job is just his mention that the ten people hate him because they left the message of leave ten a hole on his lawn done in their

53:29own human manure which takes time. You probably could have left the a hole off the end of that sentence and it still would have made the point. Kerry just saying maybe a hill was the point to him. That was really good. That's his last point. Kerry saying she ran away from a monster to get here in Gotham. Playface has come out of the end of the month. Playface is in Gotham. I think it's a connection that's confirmed right there. Kerry saying she ran away from playface to go to to go to rushville. No, probably not. Playface is a monster. Yeah, certainly is. Or will he, but by the end of the movie we'll find that he isn't a monster at all. He's just the friends you made along the way. Yes. It'd be interesting if it was a tie-in. I'm not entirely sure. It's not going to be a tie-in. No, I was just making a joke. Grant, okay. I sometimes say it no with you joking or being serious. Twenty-one years together and you still don't know. No. Does it make it fun, isn't it? No. All right, with that, any final thoughts on the episode,

54:29what's your final rating for the final episode? I really enjoyed this little great ending, wrapping everything up. I gave this five-post-coital crocodile boots out of five. I guess that as well. Yes, the image of how on his bed after a bit of nookie with Kerry still in his boots. Nice. Wow. What a man. What a man. You can keep the boots on. Yeah, absolutely. Did she work her shirt off? I'm sure she did. I really enjoyed how this sort of laid out. I loved the intricacies primarily of Kerry Kane, Noah and their family. How that was interwoven with Sinestro on another alien world. I like some of the tantalizing stuff Sinestro dropped about the possibility of bringing Hal back to life, whether that's possible anymore. Now that John Stewart has charged his ring, but also I love that John Stewart takes and grasps

55:38hold of what is Mom and Dad have been telling him was his destiny to become the green lantern bun. It's done on his terms. It's not about being the air and boy for the Guardians. I'm protecting Earth. Earth is my sector. I just saw some real tantalizing stuff with the fear infused lanterns. I just really enjoyed how this played out and covered everything off so comprehensively. I didn't even talk about the biggest decision that happened in the episode. Noah is going to the University of Nebraska for the Corn Hustles to play for the Hustles. That's true. Yeah. The most important thing. I really enjoyed that because I just burst out laughing because the guy came over and did his spirit out. Oh, you're not wearing this. Do you want to wear the hat, offering him the place and the Sports College and all that at the university?

56:44He puts it on and his big hair is sticking out at the side and it was like, that's really realistic. After a sweaty four hours of doing American football, his hair would be all over the place coming in and out of the protective helmet and he puts the thing on. It's just got his mad hair. For me, I really enjoyed this five post-coitle crocodile boots out of five for me. Fantastic. Fantastic. That's been an epic season of TV, definitely, and a big final score for that final episode as well. John, I think we need to go to the pub and have a drink. I think we do. Indeed. Yes, fellow quizzes, fellow lanterns. Welcome back to the Rushville Redneck Barquies. It is the final episode, so we're on to question eight of the Barquies, which is, what is the name of the beer that Kerry Kane brings out when he leaves prison in 2026? I like it. See, we are ready

57:50for a beer. We certainly are. Do you want to get the question more time, John? Sure. What is the name of the beer that Kerry Kane brings out when he leaves prison in 2026? Fantastic. That's a final question of Ace. Put all of your correct answers together and email them to us as soon as possible to feedback at tvpodcastindustries.com and you can be in the chance of getting your hands on some lanterns goodies if you're pulled out of the virtual hat in our finale wrap-up episode. As we mentioned, we're recording a little bit early this week, so if you didn't get the chance to get your feedback in, include some feedback on the season as well, to that email address or pop on our Twitter Facebook group at facebook.com slash groups slash tvpodcastindustries. You can leave a thoughts on the spoiler post over there or pop on our to discord the details of which are on the show notes for this episode and leave your thoughts on the finale post there. Yes, but we do have some feedback in already. First up email feedback from Coffin vodka who says greetings, fellow old

58:50yellow defenders. Usually I need a couple of days to make into these episodes before knowing what to say. Still do, but with an expected early recording, guess I'll have to wing it. Proper closure all the way around with just enough left over, Sinestro in yellow, lantern land, Noah's future a mystery should season 2 be a thing, nice to see that John can finally fly, but doesn't nearly balance out the loss of Earl. His final moment is a dream haunter, with everyone else ending just where they should, calling this episode as season a well-landed winner. Still a tamer closer than expected, until recalling this wasn't Marvel property. For a half, Halpasses, Noah's arcs and architectural ringmasters out of five. Peace and take care, Coffin vodka. PS, never mind, just remembered that Earl was around post-Hal's icing, really have to work on that whole object permanence thing. Still quite the traumatic puppet performance.

59:53Great stuff, thanks Coffin vodka. Yes, he was safe anyway by the end of this episode, back with the stewards, so that he could munch on Passes by as we go into the dining room. And chronologically, I think we saw John Stewart saw Earl after how it was dead. Yes, he did, he saw him in the park. So he took him back. And then took him back to his folks' house. So now we know how he was taking care of at the end. I did see someone this morning after watching the finale episode going right now, who's going to re-edit the whole season into the chronological order from the first moment to the last moment in 2026, because they kept getting their head around all of the movements back and forth from two through time. Some people have very good at that. I didn't get to add something to the show. I loved that the mystery was there through us. If we'd seen that moment with how I got killed in the first episode, well, there's no mystery there. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, a bit of fun. Great stuff. Thanks so much Coffin vodka. Thanks so much for your thoughts through eight the season so far. And make sure if you want to get your thoughts in for the

1:00:55wrap-up, send them into the comments. Yes, certainly. You'll have had a few more days to bake those in as well. Exactly. Excellent stuff. Thanks, Coffin vodka for your feedback as always. Over on Facebook, we also got some feedback from Angie Ahu, who says, this series had was some fantastic television. I really enjoyed the true detective style of the show, where the murder mystery was intertwined with larger events and some of the characters' back stories. Kudos as well to those involved and to the actors who gave really great performances. I honestly had a little interest in the Green Lantern character prior to this and almost didn't watch it. So glad I did. Thanks again for another great podcast. Thanks Angie. Thanks for joining us for this podcast and it's great that you did watch it. I mean, a bit like yourself, I wouldn't say I was massively interested. I didn't quite know how this was going to go, what it was going to be like.

1:01:57But I'm very pleased that I did. I thought it really, like yourself, some great performances, great acting, great writing. I just loved the whole mystery style of it as well. And I'm hoping that that surprise will continue into Vision Quest as well. Yeah, that's up to you. That's up to you. I wasn't really sold and doing that until I heard the people behind it and seeing Chris Mondey who did Ozark, which we absolutely loved and did some true detective as well, which we really enjoyed. It's great to see his fingerprints all over this time. I mean, love course from Watchman who really enjoyed as well. So it's great to see those people behind it and then the people in front of the screen as well. Aaron Pierre saying that if there's 17 seasons of the show, he will be here. He will be here turning up every week to film episodes of Loutryne. So another great member of the DC Universe as well. So yeah, very excited, very happy to see what they delivered with the show. So thanks so much, Andy, for your feedback. Yes, thanks, Andy. Our last piece of feedback for this episode comes in from Paul Lee.

1:03:00Over on Discord, he said, this was possibly the most intense season ender for a superhero show with out of physical fight at the end. As the official podcast with the three main executives of the show talked about, the season was about whether or not we can overcome our programming, training, slash and doctoredation, and also commentary on why space cups have the same problems as dirt cups. And something from the episode 7 behind the scenes short, Daniel Lindelof explicitly stated that Zoe was on Antan's planet because there was some planetary war with lots of genocide happening. So his solution was to kill all of them. This was presumably after the Guardians disabled all the other manh hunters, but it could also have been the final straw. My question from all the way back to episode 4 is, what part of the manhunter programming justified a total genocide for a planet undergoing local genocide? The fact that Lindelof brought it up suggests that this was discussed in the writers room and future potential seasons could hone in on Noah trying to understand or deal with his programming. Also, love the new oath that have taken only two of the season's main characters off the board, leaving Sinestro and Noah

1:04:01on the board for future shenanigans. And did you clock the halls back back and presumably the other end of the Einstein Rosen bridge are back in the fortress of storage in Rushville? Yes indeed. Very good pop. Yeah, thanks Paul. Yeah, that's true. The old portal there is back in the fortress of storage. So hopefully we get that outing again with the fortress of storage which is a great concept. In terms of the genocide thing, yeah, no that's really interesting. Hearing sort of Damon Lindelof talk around sort of the context of Zoe and Atan because yeah, I mean that's not something, it's in a sense only something that was briefly mentioned to the audience but which John Schruitt saw all the way through this genocide and planetary war. So

1:05:03really interesting. I guess the programming from Manhunter, yeah, I'm not entirely sure maybe what that is but possibly just simply the Manhunter was no longer able to fulfill sort of dominant power on that planet because maybe the local genocide that was happening between the different factions was too ingrained to embed it or part of their culture. It was always like that and so that was the route that Zoe took but yeah, I think the fact that if you know they were talking about the episode specifically but also the season talking about overcoming programming, training and indoctrination and then equally Antan's planet wasn't able to overcome them and that's how it was left. Maybe Zoe saw this as a weakness and or something like that but all that is

1:06:08just part of their programming is to kill and gain power. Well yeah, but I think I think to the point that you're making there Paul that if Zoe had chosen to do a planetary wide genocide and the guardians went agonizing we can't leave all of these Manhunter's a should the galaxy and the universe on their own, we're going to have to slaughter them all, we're going to have to kill all of the Manhunter's maybe it was the straw that broke the the camel's back maybe she's doing the genocide made the guardians go I think we've chosen the rum the rum species or rum creatures to go and do this we need to create the lanterns to have some decision making here decision making that isn't genocide of an entire planet yeah yeah good stuff but again with loads of stuff that we can find out about this over over 70 years of history with the green lanterns and this is just a story cobbled together from from loads of those bits and pieces so yeah we really intrigued to see what could happen in the future with these with these characters particularly. Yeah definitely

1:07:08great stuff thanks Paul. Absolutely thanks Paul and thanks everybody for your feedback keep sending it into us we will be back with our wrap up podcast on lanterns and our wrap up of the pub quiz in about a week's time. Yes and thank you as well for joining us stay subscribed to the podcast certainly if you enjoy what you hear and you can share it with your friends and family because showing the podcast is of course sharing the love. We will also be back very soon within about a week or two with the next instalment from the Marvel Cinematic Universe over on Disney Plus with Vision Quest which is the part of the trilogy of TV shows from Marvel. So did off with one division as well as then Agatha all along so you can check them out over on our main feed as well but looking forward to seeing what Vision Quest will will throw up as well. Absolutely yeah absolutely

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