Episode 375: Glenn Cooke and the Dog That Started It All

0:00What's happening in the K9 industry? For all the latest news, views and expert opinions, stay right here for the K9 paradigm. You'll hear from industry leaders, experts, giants of the industry, learned colleagues, moveers and shakers, and the odd, randy guest. Get the latest insights and expert advice from both here and abroad from the people in the know. Now, here are your hosts, Glenn Cook and Pat Stewart. And I'm lofty full-ton. And I'm out of here. Hey, Glenn, I reckon it's time for a new ad. You reckon we just went 14 months with the old one. We don't even have sponsors anymore, sir. Probably was a good thing to take it down. I think they just got so sick of it. Yeah. So we've decided to no longer take sponsors on the show. The main reason being it comes with a level of admin that we're just not prepared to do. Yeah. And we want to bring you good dog training information. So there's really only two things that we're interested in telling you about before you come into the show.

1:00First one being canine surdicles, Glenn hit us with the details. Thousands of customers mainly in Australia and in the USA. I'd love to get in other places around the world, which I think will be on the list. We've got five star reviews to the galore. We've had skeptics, people who just don't believe, products such as canine surdicles can do anything for their dogs. They've tried it, they've come back and they've said, it works, it's made a massive change, or it's made a mold change, or it's made a change. That was one of the things Neural was always working towards. She makes sure she does the science. She likes to peer review everything she's trying to do as much as possible. These things aren't just done by chance. She has done a lot of work, a lot of prep getting it to where it is. Extremely proud of her for all the effort that she's put behind it. Not just because she's my wife, not just because it's our business or her business, but because it works and it's done what it says it's going to do and it's at such a great level as well. So if you're looking for something to improve

2:01the health and wellbeing of your dogs, you can't go past canine surdicles. Check it out online canine surdicles.com.au. I love it. I this year am changing the way that I teach. I am an educator, it's what I love to do, and I've been trying to find the best way to do that. And in 2026 I'm launching a subscription service. In the past people have had to buy my courses, you own them outright or you own them for a period. And that has been great, except that it does cut some people out because of the high price point that they can't get in on where subscription service allows people to come in. So if you want to check out what I'm doing this year, there's a ton of really high quality information as well as community forums, life calls and all that kind of stuff within the serious dog business community that I've launched. There'll be links in the show notes or you can jump onto the school platform and search serious dog business. You'll find me there. Let's just remind people that they do want to support our show. They can head over to Patreon. We always do a wrap up at the end of the show. Patreon keeps the lights on. If you want to support us, this is the only financial way

3:01that the canine paradigm gets a cash influx. Our government takes half of it being in Australia. That's what they like to do. Nonetheless, we have exceedingly appreciated your support. People like Buffet, the Sugar Mama massive shout out to them because they were huge supporters of the show. And also, as I've said in my one-man ban show that I did just before this, George Kittridge, loving memory of you as well. Thanks for your patronage as well. All right, let's do it. Welcome back to the... No, welcome to the canine paradigm. I'm your host. My name is Pat Stewart, and I'm joined by my co-host, his name is Glen Cook. Sir, welcome. Thank you, sir. Who are you? What's your name? I'm Matt. I'm Matt. I'm Matt. I'm Matt. I'm Matt. I'm Matt. I'm Matt. I'm Matt. I'm Matt. I'm Matt. I'm Matt. I'm Matt. I'm Matt. I'm Matt. I'm Matt. Who are you? What's your deal? So let's tell our listeners, our brand new listeners on our brand new shows. We've been at this awhile, man.

4:03We've been, like, is this nine years or eight years? It has to be, yeah. Whatever so. What episode is this? This is 374. You mean episode number one. Episode one. We were just discussing. This has been on my mind for a little while. The podcast has been around for a long time. We started this in 2017 I think it was. Yep. I'm excited. I started the podcast because I think you had been on Josh Moran's podcast. I was doing a lot of listening to Jay and Chad and the dog training conversations. I was a young dog trainer driving around all over the place listening to podcasting my car as I was doing it. And you asked me, Hey, do you want to do a podcast? And I was like, yeah, fuck yeah. Why not? And we had, I think two full starts. Was it we recorded episodes and everything and then just never put them out? We even had a name change and everything. It was called the no home as dog training discussions. That's right. No home is dog training where we started it and never put out those episodes like nine

5:03years or whatever it is later and three hundred seventy something episodes. And a big listenership. What I think has happened over the years is people come and go from us. There's people who have listened to every episode and listen every week. But I think a lot of the time what happens is and I do this. So you go through podcasts. I get obsessed with the podcast and listen every episode they've got. And then I hate the people because I'm sick of them. I dream in their voice and I want to listen to something else. And I'm positive that happens with us. But what I realized recently is we are much too familiar with each other. And we have assumed that our audience is as familiar with us as well. And I think that it's an easy trap to fall into to assume that someone listening has listened to all three hundred and seventy something episodes and in reality, there's certainly are people who have. And if you want to those, he does sing the canine paradigm discussion group on Facebook tell us that you want to those and I always feel sorry for those people, especially the people that are binging. There's someone right now who without a doubt is binging the show. No, they're listening to all three hundred episodes.

6:05They're working their way through it on their long trips or whatever and they hate us. They're obsessed with this. But they hate us because could you imagine listening to the evolution of nine years of a of somebody's training style and how what they think and feel about and hearing all that change, but compressing that till two months period. Can you imagine how contradictory and inflammatory that would be? But what we've realized is it was something that one of us said the other day and really the best example is we talk about our dogs, right? You might just mention Manda, right? Or you might just talk about Ladybug. And you take for granted that there's whole episodes on Ladybug. When she first broke her back, we did an entire episode on that. There's been inside the Patreon, there's video of you teaching her the dancing band trick where she gets onto a soccer ball and stands on two feet on that. We just assume people know who you're talking about, but a person who's listening to the podcast for the first time will be like, who the fuck is Ladybug? Fuck is Manda.

7:05When I talk about Valerie, people like who the fuck is Valerie? So this is episode one of the K-Rong crowd up. We're going to start again. We're going to revisit some old ground. We're going to re-interview each other. We're going to find out who the fuck are these two dudes that you may have been listening to for a long time or if you had caught the odd bits and pieces of episodes, this is an episode where you can find out who we are, why we're worth listening to. And we've decided that going forward, we're going to change some stuff. We're going to revisit some old ground. We're going to go back to our roots a little bit and revisit the training information, the dog training information that we've always enjoyed talking about and has really made the show what it is. So hello, my name is Pat Stewart, I'm a dog trainer. I am the co-host of this podcast with my co-host and long time friend Glenn Cook who I'm about to interview. Glenn, how old are you, sir? That's a very rude question to ask a gentleman. I'm 56 years old.

8:07That's how old I am. Yep. And how long have you been in the dog training industry? I originally started. Now, aware that's a hard thing to measure. You start date is a hard thing to measure in dogs, right? I officially started when I was 19 turning 20. That's when I first went down and trained properly. And when I say properly, I'm going to disclude the time when I was a kid and I was going down and training my own dog at ANKC Parks and so forth. And I'll disclude that because that wasn't part of my professional journey. I was focused on training my own dog. I wasn't really focused on working with clients and learning how to train client dog. So that happened more towards being 21. I started with my first real dog whose name was Harley. If you've ever gone all the way back to the original episode one, this is the, this is episode one. Tell us about it. This is episode one. So, Harley was interestingly enough. He was co-owned by myself and my housemate and my longtime best friend, a guy called

9:10Mark, who I went to primary school, high school. We did electrical together. We did kickboxing together. We did martial arts together. We were inseparable when we were young kids. And when we got a house together, we decided we're going to get a dog. Because yeah, she can't tell us what to do. We can do anything. So you were at that time working as an electrician, right? Because that's what you're trained. You're a qualified electrician. That was your trade back then. Yep. That's right. Yeah. So you and he together were electricians and you live together and you're starting to get a dog. Long story short with the electrical work, we were commercial electricians. So focusing on refrigeration units in supermarkets. So we'd go into new builds or even old builds, coals, IGA, Richies, all those sort of places. We'd build the switchboards in the factory and then we'd take them out on the site and we'd install them and teach all the units how to operate. So the refrigeration would know like how cold it had to be, et cetera, et cetera. So yeah, we do the whole, pretty much the whole supermarket, get all the lights, get

10:11all the power, get everything going. It was a very big operation and a lot of responsibility that came with it. We did Red Roosters as well, which is like a kind of like the Kentucky sort of version of chicken and blah, blah, blah. But yeah, Mark and I did that together. We did that for many years. I liked it at the time when I was younger, but then I hadn't a piff any one day and I thought, I don't want to do this for the rest of my life. It's just not who I am. And I think people go through a lot of iterations of who they are during their life. And I've certainly gone through many of those different things where I've gone through breakdancing and all those sort of things which people have had a good giggle about. But you do, you go through a lot of iterations through your life where you go through different cycles of friends, you go different cycles of jobs. You're constantly looking to reinvent yourself on a regular timeline. You're thinking about what's important to you, what's not important to you, where do you find joy? How do you keep, if you can maintain that, if you can make it living out of some of your interests? And that's what got me to dog training because dogs have always been something that I've

11:14had that calling for, the call of the wild. It was something that my uncle Lee, when he used to go out hunting with his wife Marana and I used to go on to the farm with my uncle Ray and watch his dogs working on the farm. And I had a very steep introduction to working dogs through watching hunting dogs work, watching field dogs work, watching dogs on farm work. And I loved it all the time. It was always fascinating to me. And if I can recall conversations that I used to have as a kid, if I wasn't drawing pictures of aliens and battle star Galactic hour and more of the worlds and so forth, I was drawing pictures of dogs. And I used to have my two loves, aliens as one and dogs was the other. I was caught between the two worlds of doing both. I wasn't one of those kids who focused intently at school and got great grades and going to doing some of the job roles that I thought I wanted to do. I wanted to get into at one stage when I was a kid, I wanted to work for NASA. When you're a kid and you heard about NASA and you watched I dream of Genie and back

12:15in the 70s when I was a kid, that was one of the hit shows on TV. He had Barbara Eden and he was an astronaut. He worked for NASA and I thought, yeah, that's what I want to do. I want to do something like that. I want to work for NASA. And then I wanted to be a marine biologist. So I went through all these decision-makings of what I wanted to do. I had no fucking idea. What did I know? I was just a stupid kid just dreaming big and living out these big fantasies in my head. But I didn't have the discipline to stay in school. My grades were never great. And my teacher, one of my teachers, my science teacher, he said to me at one stage, hey, mate, you've got all this potential. You've got this great imagination. You ask all these really good questions and he said, but you just don't have the discipline to stay with things like you're always looking to jump rails onto the next thing. You just don't have the focus to stay with it. And he was the one that said to me, why don't you get a trade? Why don't you go into trade school and do something like that if you don't have the desired to stay at school? And I just didn't. I just didn't have the desire to want to go on a year 12. I just thought, this is a trap doing this and then having to go on a university.

13:18It doesn't seem like it's going to give me experience and give me a jettison into life. And it was probably the best thing I did, to be honest, mate, going off and learning how to be an adult and how to grow up and how to take direction. And back then you didn't have all your HR shit you've got today. You didn't have a soft way to do it. If you were being a fuck with it, you got told you were being a fuck with it. If they told you they were going to swap you in the air, they fucking swatted you in the air. All those things happen. And I needed to, mate. I needed to grow up. I needed to grow up. So I did the electrical. That was great. I got what I needed to get out of that. I got to experience. It's helped me a lot. I've been able to project that forward into other things that I've done in life. And it was a really good head start on responsibility on running teams, on learning how to have skills and development, leadership, all those sort of things. It was really good. But it was when Mark and I got Haley, we bought him out of the trading post. And the trading post back then was like eBay. It was a newspaper, eBay version.

14:20We just, it was a newspaper came out every Thursday, it cost $2 and it was all the listings of everything. Everything. Animal, tools. It was, there's another one online that what's it called gumtry. Yeah, it was like gumtry in Australia. So you just go on, Craigslist for the Americans. Exactly. So you just grabbed the paper and you'd scale through it. And at this stage, Mark and I had got it in our head, we've got this rental place. We need a dog that we need a fucking cool dog because we're cool guys and we're into all that sort of shit. We thought we were tough and we needed a tough dog. So we look in the trading post and we found this ad for Rottweiler puppies. I drove out there and I met with a guy and had a look at their dogs and I met the mother and she looked like a full Rottweiler and she was a full Rottweiler. But I never met the dad. He said, I think this one's the dad and they accidentally had puppies and at the time it was $100 bucks to buy the pup. I paid $100, Mark paid $100 and when they were old enough, the guy brought him around. He stuck him in the car and he's daughter had Harley on her lap.

15:20We didn't even know his name. Then his name wasn't Harley. He was just puppy and brought him inside and he'd thrown up all over himself. He was just covered in fucking vomit from vomiting in the car. And he sat on the floor, he was this tiny little puppy and he didn't really do anything and I thought, oh, fuck, he doesn't look good. He looked sick. He didn't want to say, is he all right? And he said, oh, he's fine. He's just thrown up. He's breakfast all over himself and he's not really keen on traveling in the car. He's a little puppy. But he'll be all right. Give him a bath and tell him up and he'll be okay. And I thought, oh, yeah, this fucking stranger knows exactly how to look after dogs. This guy knows dogs. Yeah, this guy knows dogs. But we had dogs previous to that. We had German shepherds and jack russles and all sorts of things. So I've had experience with dogs. Even our German shepherd female that we had during that time when I was a young kid, we had puppies, so we got to watch her having puppies. So it wasn't like I was a complete novice and I'd never had dogs and never learned to care for dogs because I've done all that. I've cared for dogs. I helped my uncles on farms as I said before. So I had a foundation and I was able to understand, I need this.

16:22I need a bowl for food. I need a bowl for water. I need to have dog food. I need a lead. I need a collar. I need all those sort of things for training the dog. Plus my uncle gave me a book. Only enough was an RSPCA book or something like that on training dogs. So I had that, which was a big hardcover book that I'd read at page to page probably six or seven times because I was really into it. I thought, yeah, this is cool. So Harley arrives, covered in vomit, chuck him in the bath and towel him off and he's sitting in the lounge room looking sad and sorry for himself. And I thought, ah, there's something wrong with this dog. He's probably going to die through the night. He just doesn't look right. And it got to the middle of the night in the evening, not in the middle of the night. It got to the evening and we're in the lounge room watching TV and all of a sudden he came to life. And then he started running around the place. He was jumping up on, wanted to jump up on the couch, wagging his tail, grabbing things and pulling and tugging and doing all these sort of things. I thought, fuck, this is great. He's not going to die. He's going to leave. He's great. Unfortunately, for the next three weeks, like they do, they go through that zone of horror where they're fucking yelling and screaming and to get up and be up at 536 in the morning

17:27to get ready for work and get out there and this pup was screaming the fucking house down, keeping my housemates all awake. And not everybody was thrilled about that, but Pat and Pavelsor have learned how to deal with the little puppy who's left his litter and his heart broken and he's in a strange place and he knows nothing about the world and all of a sudden he's just thrown into a laundry by himself and he's sitting there going, what the fuck is going on here? Which you could sympathize with if you put yourself in the shoes of the animal, you thinking, okay, this makes sense. He's terrified. He's a baby. He's an infant. He's pissing and shitting all over the place and I went in there and got angry about that and Mark got angry about that because he walked into the bathroom in the morning to get this puppy out and he's slipping and sliding and fucking little doggie turds and there's shredded up newspaper and the place stinks and you're renting a house and you think, oh, this is a fucking nightmare. And luckily, when you, as I said before, we did have, we have had other dogs. We did have puppies and Mark and I were tradespeople. So we had tools and things that we set up.

18:27So we built things for him and constructed areas that he could go into and keep him safe and keep him dry and keep him out of the weather and keep him monitored and so forth. So we did all that sort of stuff. So we eliminated that problem early on because he bucked up the corner of the door, tore the corner of the bathroom door off. So we had to buy a new door and fit that in and paint it all up and get it all fixed up so that the landlord wouldn't lose his shit on us, which is normal as well. How he was my introduction to an entire world, which I wasn't really aware of, which was going to explode around me at that time. It was just a huge door that suddenly opened to loving a little creature, like really loving a little creature that I'd never had the responsibility of having something that was mine, half mine at that time. But I'd taken to work some days, Mark would take him to work some days and we had no idea about all the things that have developed since then.

19:28All the ideas about social interaction and habituation and all of the things that we have encouraged other people and we've learned all of those life skills. If I say I had no idea, that's partially true. I did have some idea because the book I was reading was talking about the importance of getting a dog out. But I was also in the age of, don't take your dog out until 16 weeks of age. The veterinary ad for that stage was you cannot take your dog out until after all its vaccinations until it's 16 weeks of age. But I didn't really believe that and I thought to myself, I'm not going to take him to places where he's going to be eating other dogs shit and getting pissed on by other dogs and meeting other dogs. It was more about life experiences and meeting people at work. So I'd take him to job sites when he was little and we'd set him up in a little corn area. My boss was okay with him coming to work. I could take him to work on some days and he'd go to different job sites with him. So he had a big introduction to the world by two guys who were really into him and we'd

20:31go home and we'd play with him. We'd fuck around with him. We'd take him for a little walk. We'd take him once he was past that 16 weeks of age and he'd had all these shots. We'd kind of thought, okay, we're safe enough to take down to the doggy park behind us and meet other dogs and he met dogs. We had a cat at the stage. So he grew up understanding and living with a cat. We had people around all the time. We had fucking parties every weekend at my place before we go out and get loaded with piss and fucking come home at three o'clock in the morning and then get him up again and start playing with him and doing all that bullshit, which is probably something I haven't said in the official first episode, but I'm going to add it to this first episode that he really got a massive jump start to life because life was about noise and people and culture and being in different places. I think that I lucked into Harley being a great dog because he eventually did turn into a magnificent dog and easy for people to say, I know it's people listening who don't

21:32know me or even people that do know me say, it's easy for the saying you're only remembering a dog that you had at the time, but he was a remarkable dog. He turned into a remarkable dog. He had a remarkable career. He learned things really quickly. He was really into learning. He loved learning. He loved bike work. He loved sent detection. He loved doing all of these things. As I've professed before and I will say it again, I'll repeat myself over. The wonderful thing about Harley was his adaptation to learning skills. He just picked things up really well and I think it had something to do with, he wasn't a fool, right, Wiley? He was three quarters' body and a quarter-shepard, which I found out after investigating on, he looked like a rot-wiler puppy when he was a little puppy, but we started to change and not look quite the same and he got really leaky and he got tan color on his legs. And I insisted that he was a rot-wiler. Everyone said me, what is he? And I'd say he's a rot-wiler and rot-wiler people go, mate, he's not a full-rot-wiler. And I go, yes he is.

22:33You don't know anything. You don't know shit. So I'd fucking double down on it when he wasn't a full-rot-wiler. But it didn't care. I love the dog so much. He was just, he was amazing. The fortunate thing for me is that I didn't know, I never really thought that he was exceptionally special. I just thought he's just a good dog. This is what good dogs do. They just learn cool shit. But when I had industry people saying me, oh no, mate, he is a fucking good dog. Like the way he can perform things, the way he understands skills, the relationship that you've got with him, his adaptation to being able to be trained for a certain set of skills and then being able to stop him doing that and redirect him onto a new path and not have residual from that to be able to hotswap into two different mindsets. I think that's where he was quite a remarkable dog. And he loved anything that he had a chance to have a go at. He was great at playing sports. He was great at biting people for realsies. Like for him, it didn't really matter.

23:34The one thing that really impressed me about him to no end. And this is where I did understand how exceptionally was when I compare him to other dogs. And I don't expect my dogs to be exactly like Harley. They are who they are. And that's something with maturity. You understand that. But one of the things that I really loved about him is he could be legitimately trying to kill you. And if I told him to stop, he would just stop dead. He'd stop dead and there would be no residual, no anger, no frustration about it. And I'd have to go back for a second dirty bite or anything like that. He'd just stop. And he'd go, all right, that's it. We're done. You said stop. We're stopping. And he could be trying to pull your arm off your body and he would just stop fucking dead. I've heard people in Melbourne who've known me for a long time and who did know Harley and they said, he didn't do that. He wasn't like that. And I thought you didn't know him that well. You were never there. You didn't see him working on the street.

24:35You didn't see him, multiple hitting people that were trying to fucking hit us with fence paling and fucking poles and bottles and shit like that. You didn't see the shit that we had to go through, the fucking trauma we had to go through. And you didn't see what that dog endured and what he did and how he fucking saved me from some horrendous fucking battle zones that we had to go through in those times. He did all that. And that was the crazy thing about it is that I never thought he would have the capability as a young dog to be able to carry that out. Oh, I thought, he does love biting and he loves playing the armwork and everything of that. But he just wouldn't be able to do this seriously like I've heard about or seen other serious working dogs. He wouldn't be able to do that until I saw him doing it. And I thought, holy shit. And I sat there with my mouth open like not being able to be ready and had Harley not have intervened at the time that he did. I would have been glass by a guy with a bottle because he was coming at me with a bottle and I froze because I thought, oh, shit, this is a real fucking street fight where this

25:37guy is trying to kill me and I'm not doing anything. And even though my brain was saying to me, do something, I fucking full froze. And I would have got like I'd been doing martial arts. I've been doing all these things for life, but I've full froze because I thought, oh, there's no way this guy is going to do this, but he was full doing it. And Harley launched at him like a fucking cannonball and hit him square in the middle at like right in the top of the chest right in the underarm area. And he ragged all this motherfucker and tore fucking chunks out of his chest. And I'm looking at this happening and I'm just still in fucking utter disbelief that my dog is doing this. And then I finally came to my brain woke up. I could hear myself going, dude, intervene. The guy is on the ground. Your dog is throwing him around on the ground. He's bleeding profusely from this gaping great hole in his chest. Stop your dog. Control the situation. So I did. He said to him like I came to my the glaze went away from me and I went out and I got him off and he just letting go. He let him go and he just stood there looking around going, oh, what next?

26:39And mate, it was then the guys friends came over and the fucking shit kept going on and you know, it was just carnage. They were trying to run me over in the street. It was fucking full carnage. And Harley was great. He's just going, oh, yeah, what a cool night this is. This is the best fucking night of my life. So after that happened, I never, ever doubted him again. Then I knew that he wasn't just, I'll bite the arm thing and this is the game and we'll just play this game and then we won't worry about anything else. Whatever happened in any situation, Harley thought, yeah, if you tell me to do this, I'll do it. He wasn't scared of anything. Nothing really felt like plastic chairs when they were putting in between a bunch of plastic chairs and he had to battle his way through it. He didn't like that. But we worked on that. Boy, I worked on that and got him through it. So we just de-sensitized him to it. So we've got the Harley, sir, right? We know who Harley is. But how is it that Harley creates you as a dogman? Let's hear what did that look like? What's the journey between an electrician who gets a young dog ends up in these 50s as

27:40a dog trainer, people listening to it on podcasts. That's where my relationship with Boyd has to come into the picture because before I was doing that, I was training shoot fighting and kickboxing down at Boyd's gym. So that was Eastside kickboxing. And Boyd, who's Boyd? We know Boyd's been on the show. Okay, okay. So there was a guy in the neighborhood called Boyd Hooper and he was at that stage, he was very well known for his fighting style. He was a Australian champion kickboxer. He had a reputation and I knew nothing about his dog side of it. That wasn't what I went to Boyd to train for. I was training with another guy prior to that and then I heard about Boyd and I heard about his capability to train people and he had a very impressive dossier of fighters, people who were fighting and also just the people that were sort of training at his gym. Like some pretty tough sort of guys. And I was a young bloke, I was impressionable. I wanted to go over and hang out with these guys. I wanted to learn skills.

28:41I thought I was skilled. I used to do martial arts by VHS tape and found out very, very quickly that got me nowhere when I went on to do Taekwondo and I got my ass kicked and beaten up fucking pretty hard. And I did Taekwondo for many years and I thought, no, I want to get into some more rugged stuff. I want to learn how to like how to really get into fighting. So I went off, went to Eastside kickboxing. I met Boyd. Boyd was more at that stage like we were chatting and talking and my boss feel who was who I was employed with. Phil was also, he was a really well known fighter back in the day. So the place that I was working for, which was apt electrics, that that whole crew were many of them were either football players or fighters. Like many of them had reputations as hard men and pretty significant fighters as well. So Phil and Boyd knew each other and when I went off to train with Boyd, Phil said, oh, I know Boyd. He's been somebody that I was involved with with a martial art style and it was funny

29:46enough it was a martial art style that I originally did as well. So it all interconnected with each other in some strange way. And the fact that I'd never met Boyd before that was really weird because I was doing the same mixed martial art style that Boyd and Phil were doing. I knew Phil, I knew Phil through the martial arts before I started working for him, but never met Boyd. But Boyd was part of that inner circle sort of team as well. So he'd started his own crew, he'd started his own martial arts and kick boxing style. I went off to train there. I was training with some of his other guys and every now and then I do classes with Boyd. So he'd run group classes where we'd all get together and do workshops together and we'd do boxing conditioning and then we'd do leg conditioning and it was just three to four times a week. We were down there doing different styles. So we'd do exercise, boxer size classes for fitness, then we'd do drills, then we'd do sparring and we'd all sorts of stuff. So I'm hanging out with Boyd. I'm getting better at my fighting and Boyd and I one day, like he said, all right, jump

30:49in the ring with me, we'll go through some drills. Like I'm doing some drills with Boyd and we're just in between rounds and he said, what have you been up to lately mate? And I said, oh, it's got this puppy. It's taking up one more time. That's pretty much all I'm doing is just hanging out with this pup and he goes, what do you mean you got a puppy? And I said, yeah, I got a puppy. He goes, why haven't I seen you down the dog training school? And I said, he's not a greyhound, he's a rotty and he goes, what do you mean he's not a greyhound? And I said, yeah, you're a greyhound guy. He goes, what the fuck are you talking about, you dickhead? I'm not a greyhound guy. He goes, I'm a working dog guy. And I said, what do you mean? He goes, rotty, shepherds, like dobes, all those sort of things. He goes, that's what I do. I train working dogs, like law enforcement dogs. He goes, I've got police and prison guys and security guards and people who wanted to do my protection and stuff like that. And I said, oh, no shit. He goes, yeah, what the fuck do you think I'm greyhound guy? Well, like where'd you get that from, you dickhead? And I said, oh, just somebody told me they use the word working dog at the time and I

31:49didn't realize what working dog meant. I think I think working dog meant greyhound because that's where I've heard that term associated with greyhounds before. Here's mate, fucking get your ass down Thursday night. I'll expect you down there. And I went, oh yeah, cool. Oh, come down. It was Wednesday. So next night, I go down there and it was in a place called Killcythe at this big factory complex called Central Springworks. Back then it was big, open land and factories in the sort of middle of it. And I went down there, it was pitch black. But then there, I could see lights on the distance and I could hear dogs barking and I see, oh, there's probably 50 people there. I turn up this car everywhere and I'm thinking, fuck, this is a bit daunting. And I walked around the corner and there's fucking dogs run around slamming into people and I'm just sitting there and I couldn't see Boyd and there's all these people there that I didn't really know and I've seen a couple of people from Eastside, which was the kickboxing gym. And I'm saying, where's Boyd? And they're going, oh, he's busy. He's up training the advanced guys.

32:50And I said, what am I supposed to do? And they said, oh, go to reception. So someone showed me, went down there, got signed in. And they said, oh, yeah, Boyd said you're coming. You need to go to first timers. And I went to first timers and that's where I met someone who's still my friend to this day, Kylie Bright, who was my, she was doing the first timing slash puppy school. And I met her, I met the gang and they've been ducted me in and said, all right, this is the first time, this is what happens down the school, which was really advanced on anything else that I'd ever done before because usually it was just like, oh, you just joined this class and you just sit at the back and you don't say anything and you shut you fucking a hole. And you do what we say, whereas when with this, it was really professionally run. I went to the first timers school, they said, okay, this is the way the center runs. This is what you need to do when you get here. This is how you sign in. This is the process. You'll get a membership card. You need to make sure you membership cards with you. And then when you come to the class, you'll get a colored card and then your instructor will

33:51call you and they will hold up a color and you need to make sure that you're going with that person into the class. The whole introductory session was fucking fantastic. It was leagues ahead of it and that was back in 1990 before people have traveled and learned and done all this. But what I later found out is that boy had traveled and learned and brought it back from America and Europe and he'd sort of seen what people were doing and how they were leading the industry and he thought, we need this in Australia because it doesn't exist at this point in time. And especially with organized bike development. It happens, but it sort of happens as a hillbilly redneck sort of thing. Yeah, a bunch of backyards. Yeah, a bunch of bogans all just getting pissed and wrapping carpet around their arms and letting dogs flog. Whereas when I went down to his stand up, which was called Australian dog training, he had proper sleeves, which he imported from Frabbo and which was a proper sleeve, shorts and styled dog sport company. I can remember when we actually did our first episode, that was a big deal, right?

34:52Now that's nothing. Of course, he's got right sleeves. Any John I can get on the internet and buy a proper protective equipment. But back then that was odd, right? Because it weren't shops. You could just go to buy a Schultz and sleeve and the internet wasn't in the 90s. In the 1990, there's no internet. So it was like, you had to kind of know someone. You had to mail order that shit. You had to get the magazines. You did. You had to have these massive fucking printed book that looked like a phone book that you'd get from Europe or America or something like that, which consisted of either it was either their own book or it was a conglomerate of like all the European companies, whether it was their directory of, you know, you know, bike gear equipment. But mate, you're 100% right. There didn't exist places where you could buy all the beautiful tugs and the bowls and the leads and shit like that. Back then it was the Wild West. Wild tugs were bits of jute. The stuff that they used to put in T-chests and stuff like that old rough jute.

35:55So we would tightly compress that and roll it up and just get electrical tape on the ends and tape it all up and make our own tugs, which were they were fucking rough and ready and everything like that. But like I said, today you've spoiled for choice. Are your Belgian sleeves, your Dutch sleeves, you're fucking, you can get jute, you can get all sorts of different types of materials, leathers, all sorts. There's so many supplies out there. Nobody was really making it back then. Like if you had gear and I remember the first time I bought my first left and right sleeve. So I bought a left and right sleeve and then I bought a young dog development sleeve. And I think each one of them cost me about $150, $200 each or something like that back then. And it came with extra covers and everything. And I felt like I'd bought it a Rolls Royce for the first time. It was so important to me. And I even wrote on the end of this. This is mine. It's not yours. Don't touch it. And I put a skeleton death head on it. But nobody would tell my name. So you're at ADT, you're learning there. You got Harley.

36:56How long until you take up dogs full time? Like how long until you slot into that? That's where the conception of NDTF was developed. That was when boy had gone over and he'd been learning from the Tom Rose School and Dr. Stuart Hillier, who was Stuart Hillier back then. He was in between going to any of the Jets Center and everything like that for kickboxing. He was also going around and meeting all the then pin up people in the dog world and saying, all right, what are you doing? Can I learn from you? Can I pick your brain? Can I pay you to show me what you're doing? And he went over there and did all that. And they were saying, mate, the future is in educating other people, not just in running schools. They were telling him back in the 90s, the future is in education, teaching people how to do it. And also in cent work, they said cent work, a bite work is good and education. So boy, came back and him and another guy sat down and they developed the concept of

37:56the NDTF. And they did the very, what's NDTF? NDTF is the National Dog Trainers Federation. So that is the, is it NDTF still around? Is it, is it still running now? They are still around. I think they have had a, a, a re-emergence. I believe and I'm only going to say, hypothetically, but I believe that they're currently running the course unaccredited, but I could be wrong. But boy, it started NDTF. He did that with the knowledge he gained overseas. I think you said you did the second ever course. The second ever course. The very first one. The second course. And that was the, that really was the first accredited dog training course at the time, right? That was the first one in Australia. Was it, am I right about that? No, I don't think it was the first accredited one. It was, it wasn't accredited originally when I first did it. It was, it was an in-house developed course, which later went on to become accredited. Okay. So you did that. We don't need to go through the whole history of NDTF, but so you did that and then

38:57you ultimately became an instructor of that and taught that for a long time. Tell us about the decision to like, oh, I'm going to do dogs full time. You're an electrician with a dog who's gone to kickboxing classes and dog training classes. At what point do you become a kickboxer with the dog? So I had left, I had actually, I finished my trade and I left at that stage. I didn't enjoy it anymore. It wasn't something that I really wanted to continue doing it. I'd been pretty much doing it since I was 15 turning 16. So I left, I was doing an in-between job and I went down there and I was just training Harley and also the NDTF had just sparked off in that period. And I watched the first group go through because Boyd said to me at the time, he goes, do you want to do this course? He goes, I think you'd love it, mate. And it's right up your alley and I said, I just want to focus on Harley. He's young and I'm really enjoying the development side and I don't want to interrupt my flow at this stage. And he said, yeah, yeah, do that. He said, a plan of running this every year. I was watching them do the course and I was watching their group to get together and I

39:58think they probably had about 20 odd people in the first ever induction they went through. And I got a lot of phomo because I'm thinking, oh, I should have done it. It looks so fucking good. They were all going around to Boyd's place and he was running it as a full seminar where he had their TV screen set up and they were going through learning, development and behaviour and Dr. Robert Holmes was coming out and lecturing on veterinary behaviour and further behavioural sciences and he'd bring in, I think Gary Jackson was coming down. That stage and talking to people about send development and there were all sorts of guest speakers coming down. I thought, I should have done it. And then the next one came around and Boyd goes, mate, I'll make it worth your while. He gave me like a really good deal, like half off or something like that. He said, you know, you're being, he was great to me. He said, you're being really loyal to me. Like you train at my gym, you come down here and like you hear every Thursday and Sunday and like, I want to look after you and yeah, jump on the course. So I jumped on the course and halfway through it, he said, do you want to, come and work for me? Because I was training with another guy called Greg at the time, which was Kylie's former partner.

41:00And Greg was working down the back doing development with dogs that they were bringing in. And Boyd said to me, goes, mate, look, we're expanding this. He goes, there's room for another person. Are you keen to do this? I said, mate, I'm fucking all over it, like a fat kid on a cupcake. I'm there. This is what I want to do. Like I've gone home and meditated on this so many times and it's just been reoccurring and I've been dreaming about it. And yeah, I think it's the right time. So that was it, mate. It was like doing a spacewalk and stepping outside the fucking capsule for the first time. I have no idea what that's like, but I can imagine it would be very similar because it was like everything that I wanted to do was finally happening. I was given a responsibility as being in charge of setting up the training field. And instead of being on the other side of that, where I was like a client with privileges, now I was the guy that we like I go down there and I'd set up the field and go and get all the arms ready and put them out on the station. And it wasn't long after that where I got made like the training center manager.

42:02So boy, said to me, go, look, you're a young guy and I've got cops and people from the army and all those sort of things. He goes, you have to step up here, mate. This is where you're going to have to like really lift your game and mature and bring your A game to work and so forth because these guys don't suffer fools. I need you to lead by example and stop fucking around and blah, blah, blah. And I said, yep, I get it. I understand. I know it's important. And it was another one of those stepping stone things like we talk about the importance of developing dogs and how important that is and setting them up for a future. I never really had that in a male role model before. So, you know, where I lost it as far as parental, I got it back through other people like my uncle and like boy and people like that because they took me under their wing and showed me how to be a person of measure and a person of responsibility and say like if you're going to serve other people or you're going to do this role, this is the way that it needs to be done. This is the respect that other people need to be shown or this is what you need to come on from

43:04holding or obtaining a position of leadership. You have to do these sort of things. It propelled me into a world of seeing things that I thought, I would never have seen this. If it wasn't for boy, I would never have met people like Steven Lindsey. You and I would probably not be here talking today and doing this. I would probably off doing some other menial task and so many doors opened for Harley and I for both of us in our own development and the things that projected me forward. And as I've discussed with you mate, this is side stepping on my journey but I need people to know this that especially in Australia, like a lot of the privileges and the things that people enjoy today with the dog world, a large part of that was protected by boy. Boyd was the person who rallied people. Boyd was the thorn in a lot of the legislative side when people were trying to steamroll in new animal legislation that was unfair and just cooked up and very restrictive and preventative. Boyd was the one who got vets together. Boyd was the one who got

44:06cops together. He got people together and he marched on fucking parliament and he got interviews with ministers and he read up on the science, he met with science people in the science field. He became more than just somebody who trains dogs and kicks people's arses. He became a person that his own way. He was a bit of a revolutionist. He led a revolution to say, hey, this is a privilege that should be afforded to people within this country. We're doing nothing wrong. In fact, we're doing a lot of right things. We're giving outlets to dogs and this is the outlet they need. We're also teaching men, women who are going out and doing risky jobs with dogs and how to do it properly. How not to just have a fucking dog that barks at people and then runs between their legs and pulls them onto the fucking curb and then get they get curb stomped all the people who they're trying to stop in the first place. He actually developed a method and a system and was able to show that. But more importantly, like I said, a lot of us have enjoyed things and things have been held off because of Boyd's organization and his network and the people that he

45:09brought together. It wasn't just him, but he was the one that glued it all together and got people in the room and said, hey, we need to stop this. This is happening. And if nobody steps up for it, it will stop now. There will be no opposition to them. We became the resistance. And make there was a lot of time in my early development where we were meeting with people and reading through legislation and going back and saying, hey, this is largely unfair and even still to the standard today, you're not consulting with us. And we are a voice of the community. And there's enough of us now that we can start applying pressure on you that you need to start realizing you can't just come in here and tell us we can't do this anymore and then give us no reason or no valid science to support it, which is what they do. Yeah. And yet here we are 30 years later still happening. So that's your very detailed intro to how you started. Yeah. Beans us through the next 30 years. What like how is it that we're here? What are the jobs if you done in that dog space, the key roles that you've held? Narell and I sometimes every now and then

46:11we'll reminisce. Narell. Narell was my wife. She is. Yeah. Narell is my wife. If you're joining us for the first time today, Narell is my wife. She was originally a client of mine. We had both been married before. We both went through separations. We were early friends and then we'd kicked off further from that and eventually got married. I'm a second husband. She's my second wife and we have dogs together. We have life together. She is one of the leading authorities in pet nutrition and Australia. And she's got a fantastic company called Canon Surtical. So you haven't got on to it and you haven't looked at enhancing your dog's life or doing better for your dogs through diet nutrition. Narell is an incredible asset in that field. So connect with her through Canon Surticals. Getting back to what we were talking about. What were we talking about before? Yeah, then last 30 years. Oh, last 30 years. We know how you got into it, but we want to hear give us the high level, give us all the wave tops of things you've done in that time that let us

47:14I spent a large part of my younger life involved in dogs decoying. So a lot of people still don't know that today that I decoyed for a time. So I was involved with Schutzen clubs. I was a licensed decoy for two Schutzen clubs, Melbourne Schutzen and Selec Schutzen, which was previously called, actually it might be called Eagle Heights now. Yeah, I was involved with them. I was also on the board with those guys as well training regularly with my Van Mentora guy called Alec Jones. And Brian McLaren, even people like Dawn Aiton and Mark Murray and their people of the past who were very influential on me back then. Mark was great. Mark was one of those sort of people. He was one of the first people I knew that really got into males at an early age before they became a popular commodity and a necessary commodity in a lot of ways. Mark had a great Malamona. He used to do trick training with her and bike work with her and it was that was a dog apart from a guy called Jerkovich that bought in males at that stage. It was the first real introduction I had into

48:16males. And that was towards the late 90s early 2000s when I started seeing males starting to pop into the country. Yeah, that's a funny one. I sometimes say to people, a lot of people in the working dog space are amazed to hear the Malamona being an Australian for about 30 years. Yeah, I saw the early introduction because I never knew what they were. I know they've been around for a long time and it was boy do educated me on the four styles. The Malamona, the Lake and Wilde Grondale and the Tuverian. So I knew what they were. I just never seen one and then they started coming into the country and I thought, ah, that's what a Malamona looks like. And you know, we started going, oh yeah, they're not bad. They're not shepherds, but they're not bad. But so we know you're a working dog guy. How is it? Where did you learn pet stuff? How did that come to be? Where did you? Someone listening now would be like, okay, this guy has a Zintro into working dogs firey dog Harley. He's told us this dog, he worked security with that dog, had plenty of life bites. You were a helper for numerous shorts and clubs. How is it that you

49:18have run a boarding cannellan? What do you know? What do you fucking know about pets? Where do you learn that? I was running kennels when I was working for boy. So we had dogs and I was in rehabilitation at that time. So we were taking bodies and shepherds that were fundamentally trying to kill people in their backyards. So I'd go around there and wrangle them into a yut, which is a pickup truck for people in the States. And we had space for about 12 to 16 dogs in our kennels. So I'd take them back and at one stage I had fundamentally a whole block of dogs that wanted to kill me and I just had to befriend them and hope they wouldn't kill me when I let them out, which luckily didn't happen. Not regularly anyway, it didn't only a couple occasions, but I learned a lot about them. I learned about care, I learned about nutrition, I learned about grooming dogs. And there was a whole bunch of things that I learned by a largely a lot of trial and error. And fortunately I didn't fuck any things up or kill any dogs because I was actually pretty good at my job. I then went on from there and started after my sort of tenure with Boyd, we parted company. I went my own way. I started my own

50:22training club called Master Dog Training. I was running group classes, socialization, and I was doing bike work on the side. I was still working with the Schutzen clubs at the time. And to supplement that I was doing private lessons and then I started going in doing boarding trains in kennels. So I started at a place in Wongapark in Victoria called Holmes There kennels still around today, still doing boarding trains to out there. And that's where I learned under another mentor of mine then a guy called Rod Maroof. That was his business. He did boards and trains. He was the training director of the Roddy Club at the time, which I later took a role on as well. Myself is the training director for the Roddy Club. I've worked at Homestead for many years. I think five or six years doing boarding trains, private lessons, classes, the whole lot. I was doing Master Dog Training as well. So I had a couple of centers as well with my, still someone who's my very, just a lifelong friend, a guy called Darren North, who's over in the UAE at the moment. Darren and I, we've known each other since the ADT days together.

51:27We started Master Together. And much like my earlier friend Mark, I was talking about, Darren and I would join at the hip. We're still very close today. But he and I did a lot of things together. A lot of dog development. We lectured on things together. We went to seminars together. We did a whole bunch of things. That's where that side of it went into, more in the canaling side of things, learning how to understand how to work with dogs and kennels, how to actually feed, look after and maintain a service inside a kennel, and be responsible for dogs that you're taking into your care and receiving from a client, putting into a kennel, taking the dog out, exercising the dog, stimulating the dog, doing the training with the dog, and then doing handovers to show the client what the dog is done, and then being able to progress it from there. So that happened for quite a period of time. But in between that time also, I was going to seminars and conferences through the pet industry association of Australia, which is the PIAA. So I was learning more about

52:27even things like hydraulics, how water affects kennels sound proofing. So it wouldn't, you wouldn't have pissed off neighbors. Things that you wouldn't think this is important to me. I started learning an early age like, oh, this is important. Natural lighting for dogs, how to care for cats, why it's important that you follow nutrition, why it's important that you start looking at the health and welfare of the dogs and cats in care. And that sort of became a real interest to me, and I sort of started adapting that at the same sort of time. I'm going to speed up the timeline a little bit here because I'm just conscious of time. A left home stead, I went to work for another place called Wellington Park kennels in Listerfield. I already still had mast dog training going, Darren, I were running that. I went over there and started running my own program at their kennel. They didn't have bored and trains there before. So I interjected at a different side of the business there. Got very friendly with the owners Peter and Sally Thomas, and we got on great for a period of time. Then I was also on the side of things just to make my life more difficult and complicated.

53:34I was running a security company with another group of people as well, which also included Darren, but we had other partners in the business. And we were doing armed work, we were doing the IPs, looking after people like Rob McManus on Rob live and all sorts of things. So we were doing it. Lost prevention, everything. Investigations, the whole box and dice. So we did that for many years, but then the global financial crisis hit because of the that was the issue. It was the global financial crisis, the first real big one and income tax and insurance went through the roof. And at what companies out left right in center. And our insurance went from something like $2,000 a year to $30,000 a year. So we at that stage, it was just unaffordable. We just couldn't do it. We were too, you know, a bunch of young blocs. Unviable. It was unviable. So we just even clients were freaking out about how do we afford to have security guards if we have to pay all these massive premiums. So we had to amalgamate our company. And I am amalgamated our company

54:36back with Boyd. So we joined forces again after all those years. So we integrated everything, our dog training centers, the boarding package, the company that that Boyd was working with and for the time. They ended up buying that kennel and they had the NDTF and everything at that point in time. So they said, how about you Boyd's going to be the state manager? How about you become the general manager and help us integrate this package? So it was it was security on one side and on the other side, it was the ADT centers, the boarding kennel, you seminars, all sorts of things. And that's where I really developed a conglomeration of skills that I knew how to run and manage teams of people, how to integrate different fields. I'm not saying I did it all. There was a bunch of talented men and women in the organization that were also running their own divisions and departments as well. I did my sections. They did their sections and everybody, everybody did it

55:36really well. There was a lot of moving parts, a lot of different businesses, but it was, it was terrific. It gave me exceptional skills. I got involved and was invited onto board such as the PIAA later on from that. And then when you and I started, you and I met when I moved to Sydney and started helping run pet results Australia, I was the general manager for pet results Australia and the early conception when it was only two facilities. Now we've got multiple facilities and it's a national company. It was only a new South Wales company back then, but now it's got companies or boarding facilities and daycare facilities, training facilities all over Australia. You and I had met at that stage when we were running seminars predominantly out of Jurel. Then you and I once our relationship had gotten more friendly, we started doing a bit of traveling going over the United States, going to the IACP conferences, meeting people, doing things over there with people. And I was invited by the then president Melanie Benwear to join the

56:39border directors. I think I was the first person outside North America to be invited onto the border directors from a foreign country. So it was quite a privilege. I enjoyed my time. I enjoyed meeting all the people over there and then COVID happened and fucked everything up. And here we are today. There's been a lot of moving parts, a lot of things that are happening between them. A lot of mentoring with different people, people like Bart Bellon who you and Sam had originally brought over wonderful things like that. So very important and memorable things happened. Lots of great seminars with lots of really influential and meaningful people and some big minds in the dog training industry. Obviously there's probably other talking parts in it that I'm not giving credit to or people that I'm not paying homage to because they were very important and very meaningful people. But if you roll back through the episodes, I'm sure I paid some sort of homage or credit to them. It's been a very, it's been a privilege meeting everybody and having a very enriched lifestyle

57:47in something that I am incredibly proud of and incredibly frustrated by. And I have a magnificent respect for and a deep love for and sometimes disbelief of but mainly an enormous love affair with the craft, the industry, many of the people. And I kind of look back to what happened over all those years and the people that I've met and the things that I've seen and the dogs that I've been able to put my hand on and watch other people do really magnificent and cool stuff. And it's been such a rich tapestry of privilege. One that I owe so much respect and gratitude to many of the people that have passed through my timeline or continued on my timeline. And the reason I wanted to do this, one of the main reasons I wanted to do this is I've confessed all the time that I wanted to write a book, but this is my book. It's an evolution and getting to share it with you and watching you grow

58:51through your own timeline and the things that you're doing. Like I'm, and I tell you this regularly, and if I don't enough, I'm incredibly proud of you as a person and watching your transition through the industry and how composed and kind you are and professional that you are and the things that you've been able to do and shape in a very short timeline. Those sort of things have been such a privilege. It really has. So that's really in a nutshell, mate, is that there's a lot more to it talking about it for an hour. It doesn't give it the full justice it does, but much of this, and I will say much of this came through. Hully, Hully was an important springboard and of course, many of the doors that were open to me and because of Boyd, they're two very important people in my timeline and much appreciation to both a dog and a person. Yeah, there you go. I think that the dog training space can be a, it's a tumultuous space, but it certainly has been good to us. That's for sure. So who are you today? What do you do? Who are your dogs? What is your job?

59:57What dogs do you have? What's on the horizon for Glen Cook? Today, my role is learning development with the 360 group of companies, which is Pet Resort Australia, but it's such a massive beast at the moment that we're predominantly back in the day. It was Dave and I. There's multiples of resort managers and operations managers and COOs and CFOs and partners. That is something like we've mentioned it a few times, but since we started the show to this new first episode, Pet Resort has really changed as a business. It's not even Pet Resort anymore. It's as you said, what are the codes that are called now? The actual Pet Pro 360. Pet Pro 360. And so it's a huge multinational conglomerate. It's enormous. Your job has changed pretty significantly in that from a guy who was running in the kennel that I met you at. To now, it's a huge multinational conglomerate that you're one of the big cogs in. That has been a big change for you over the period we've been doing the podcast. Tell us what dogs do you have and what's in the future for you? Currently these days, we have a

1:01:02four-year-old rockwiler called Mando. We have a 11 or 12-year-old French bulldog called Opie who most people know as the Eggman. We have Ladybug. She's got her own origin story about a broken little French bulldog who just turned 10 the other day. And that was a fucking milestone, mate, that she is a gray-faced old little lady now and something that we never expected. There's multiple stories on Ladybug. I'm sure you've followed along this stage. You can roll back time and listen to the drama and the heartbreak that Narell and I have of wondering how the fuck she ever got there. She's a massive fucking pain in the ass. She has cost us more money than I could. I would be embarrassed to talk about how much money she's cost us, but she is so fucking strong-willed and she fights so hard. She's got the spirit of fucking odon that little dog. I don't know why people love squeaky wheels, but she is our fucking squeaky wheel. I could kill her sometimes. I could just

1:02:02kill her, but I also have enormous love for it. She's one of my favorite dogs. She's so much fun, and yet she's such a big time at the same time. I mean, conflict about it, but yeah, she certainly kept us on her toes. And we also have Opie, the Eggman, and Ladybug's daughter Pixel. She's a sweetheart. She's a neurotic little thing. She was one of the puppies born from Ladybug eight years ago when she had a record letter of something like 10 French bulldog puppies, which they were popping out everywhere. It was crazy, but that was an experience in itself. Okay, so three Frenchies, one rotwala, one eye Burmese cat, Mr. Bean, six chickens, two ducks, and two guinea fowl. Because now you're a farmer. Now I'm a farmer. I've got a tractor. I'm a farmer. Yeah. Yeah. All right. That's it for the very first episode of the market. That's Glenn, but they introduced it. Look, I think it's cool. I think it's good to restart. I think the, like I said, we've become too familiar with our audience and having a refresh

1:03:04of like, how the fuck do we get here? Who are you? What have you're going on in your world? Last thing, Glenn, what's coming up? What are you excited about? Retirement. I don't know what's coming up, mate. I joke about that with retirement. I think that I'll probably die doing something, somebody will fuck. Yeah, they're going to say, if you were to retire, you'd only end up doing more dog stuff. Yeah, that's the thing, right? Is you and I've got our own respective work lines that we're doing and we're still running podcasts and patrons and all sorts of things together. Mate, the future is slowing down a little bit. I want to enjoy my acreage up here in the same token. I want to get back into dog sports as a competitor. I want to build stuff up here that I can do more dog training sort of shit on up here. I probably at some stage, I might even train people up in the Hunter Valley and get them involved in bite work and that's probably the direction that I'm thinking about heading in the moment. I look at my workload and think, how the fuck am I going to make this work between working full time and running a property and keeping all this sort of stuff going? But then I kind of think to

1:04:08myself, yeah, I need this to quite the fucking demons in my head sometimes. This is good to sedate me. Hmm, it would be cool if you got a club go on there. It would be super cool. It would. All right, gang, that's it for the first ever episode of the Canon Parade. If you still feel like you're here, just go and leave a review on the many and various outlets that you can do that from. You could do it on multiple. They don't check. If you want to support the show, despite this being our first episode, we have this very established Patreon. It's been running for eight years. But we do. We've got this giant backlog of information. There's so much stuff in that Patreon. I was actually just looking for something for a video that I made in 2019. I had a search back through the Patreon stuff to find it. There's so much stuff in there. So three bucks a month, which we set up for a long time ago. Wouldn't outrageously small amount of money to set up a Patreon for. But that's what we said at that. And eight years later, it's still there. There's huge and insane amount of information in there. And you can give as much as little as you like and there'll be new stuff going forward. On that, you'll have to show

1:05:10me how to do the live. So I'd like to do a live with people on just have a. Do you know why a Patreon a bit motherfuckers because they to do a proper live. You now have to do it through their infrastructure. So I still do it through YouTube. I just do it through YouTube. And I put the YouTube link in there, but it just counts as a post with a link rather than their own think. Cause I'm not, I don't know, maybe we can talk about this another time, but Patreon is a tricky platform. It's a legacy platform. Cause it was one of the first ones. It get away with not being that great because it who can move their audience off of it. So it's a tricky thing. But yeah, we can go ahead. It's easy enough to do. It's a YouTube link into the Patreon. Yep. He's green. You could in the show notes, there's links. You could get some cool merch because we have put out some merch over the years. Listen, just fucking buy something. All right. I saw it on Instagram the other day that I get was some dude talking about don't touch dogs so much. And he was wearing one of our hoodies in it. I was like, that's cool. Yeah, cool.

1:06:12So that's how you can support the show. The other thing is we broke while they did ads and sponsorship and stuff, but we just don't like doing that. And so we don't do it anymore. We just have our own products. You Glenn, you and your old do Canon City calls. I teach dog training through my online school. There'll be links in the show notes to that, but it's serious dog business. Oh, on our website is you can jump on the Canon paradigm website. And there is a link directly to Pat serious dog business and also to Canon City calls. Amazing. If you want to get in touch with us that despite this being our first episode, we have a quite a large book discussion group with more than 11,000 people in there who is one of the last safe bastions on Facebook where you can actually have serious dog training conversations in there and not the at risk of being treated like a fucking idiot. But if you want to get in touch with us directly, shoes, Neem out. We are info at thecanonparadom.com. That's it. We love you all. Stand by for our fucking cool song. First time you're ever hearing it. Here it goes.