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Episode 374: AI Slop and the Dog Training Echo Chamber

About this episode

When polished content replaces practical experience.

In Episode 374 of The Canine Paradigm, Glenn Cooke and Pat Stuart examine AI slop in dog training and the growing distance between content that looks authoritative and work that survives contact with a real dog.

The conversation begins with an attempt to modernise the podcast’s episode artwork using artificial intelligence. At first glance, the result looked convincing. Look more closely and Pat and Glenn’s faces had changed, the dogs had been subtly altered and the words on Pat’s T-shirt had become complete nonsense.

It was polished, visually appealing and almost right.

That failure became the starting point for a much larger discussion: what happens when “almost right” information is presented with enough confidence and professional design that people stop examining it properly?

From there, Glenn and Pat explore artificial intelligence, online echo chambers, practical dog-training skill, professional accountability, legislative pressure and the increasingly hostile divide between sections of the dog-training industry.

Episode note: This is a candid and sometimes blunt discussion. Criticism within the episode is directed at particular forms of online conduct, ideological campaigning and claims made without equivalent practical scrutiny. It is not a blanket criticism of force-free trainers. Glenn and Pat explicitly acknowledge capable trainers across different methodologies and discuss professional referrals in both directions.

In This Episode

Glenn and Pat discuss:

The AI-generated image that changed their faces and produced nonsense text
Why AI promotional material is beginning to look increasingly repetitive
How artificial intelligence can reinforce a user’s existing beliefs
The difference between information about dog training and the physical skill of training a dog
The difficult space between reinforcement and the next shaping repetition
Timing, restraint, release, pressure and frustration during practical training
The importance of measurable outcomes and professional accountability
Online echo chambers and the rewards attached to polarised content
Owners living with dangerous or severely challenging dogs
Dog-training timelines that may not be practical for every household
Attempts to restrict or prohibit particular training methods
The difference between methodological disagreement and personal campaigning
Common ground between capable balanced and force-free trainers
The role of professional friendships, observation and appropriate client referrals
Glenn’s closing reflection on respectful disagreement and the future of the industry

AI Slop in Dog Training

The phrase “AI slop” is often used to describe the flood of generic, repetitive material now appearing online. The individual image, article or graphic may initially look impressive, but the effect diminishes when the same structure, wording and design appear everywhere.

Glenn and Pat discuss seeing the same dark backgrounds, repeated layouts, predictable typography and recycled arguments across community groups, dog-training pages and professional advertising.

The greater concern is not simply unoriginal artwork. It is the possibility that artificial intelligence can give a polished form to ideas that have not been properly examined.

Someone can begin with anger, certainty or a fixed ideological position and ask an AI system to formulate the argument. The resulting material may appear articulate, balanced and professionally produced even though the original premise has never been tested against practical outcomes.

Repeated approval can then produce its own feedback loop. A person publishes increasingly polarised content, receives validation from a like-minded audience and becomes more committed to producing the material that generated the attention.

Can AI Replace Practical Dog-Training Experience?

The strongest practical section of the episode centres on shaping.

When a dog offers a desired behaviour, the trainer marks and reinforces it. However, the period between the dog receiving the reinforcer and beginning the next repetition can be one of the messiest parts of the exercise.

The dog may still be eating. The handler may begin talking too soon. The dog may wander immediately back towards the target without a clear separation between repetitions.

Glenn explains that the trainer may need to hold or restrain the dog briefly, create separation, feel the dog beginning to lean back towards the task and then release at the appropriate moment.

That restriction and release can also create useful frustration, energy and clarity.

It is possible to describe the general process in words, but competent application depends on timing, observation and physical feel. Those qualities are developed by repeatedly working dogs, making errors, adjusting technique and learning to recognise what is happening in front of you.

AI can provide information. It cannot physically feel the dog loading into the task, assess the quality of the next repetition or adjust its hands in real time.

Practical Experience Must Be Measurable

Glenn and Pat argue that professional dog trainers should be prepared to have their work measured.

That measurement may come through dog sports, client outcomes, repeat business, behavioural change or the trainer’s ability to demonstrate work under scrutiny.

A paying client does not have to remain with a trainer whose advice produces no improvement. A competitor enters the field knowing that their handling and training will be assessed. A professional whose business depends on retaining students must continually provide information that those students find useful.

That creates a feedback system between theory and outcome.

Online commentary does not necessarily carry the same level of accountability. A person can publish attractive graphics, quote studies and repeat an accepted position without regularly demonstrating how the recommendations perform with complex dogs in real environments.

The central question is not whether someone can explain a theory. It is whether they can apply it, test it, adjust it and produce a meaningful result.

Real Owners and Serious Dogs

The conversation becomes more serious when Glenn describes owners living with severe behavioural problems.

These are not abstract debates conducted through comments and social-media graphics. They involve people sitting in their homes, questioning whether they can continue living with the dog and, in some cases, whether the dog can remain alive.

Some owners may accept a long-term process measured in years. Others are dealing with immediate safety concerns, deteriorating quality of life or a household that is close to collapse.

Glenn and Pat argue that trainers must be able to discuss different options honestly. The owner should understand the likely timeframe, the risks, the practical requirements and the probable consequences of each approach.

Dog training cannot be separated from the circumstances of the people living with the dog. A theoretical programme that cannot be maintained within the household may offer little practical value, regardless of how defensible it appears online.

When Methodology Becomes Identity

A significant portion of the episode examines what happens when a training preference becomes an ideological identity.

Glenn and Pat distinguish between practitioners who genuinely prefer to minimise pressure and commentators whose public output appears to focus primarily on condemning other trainers.

Disagreement about training methods is legitimate. Trainers can examine evidence, question techniques, debate welfare and decide that they would not personally use a particular approach.

The problem arises when disagreement becomes a campaign to label all opposing practice as abuse, prevent owners from accessing alternatives or legislate competing methods out of existence.

The episode also addresses a hostile review left about the podcast. Rather than allowing it to dictate the entire discussion, Glenn uses it to make a broader point: some online accounts appear to gain recognition through being combative towards others rather than through demonstrating the quality of their own training.

The hosts’ concern is that decisions about dogs may increasingly be influenced by partial information, public pressure and people who do not fully understand the practical consequences of the restrictions they support.

Good Trainers Can Still Find Common Ground

One of the most important sections of Episode 374 is the acknowledgement that capable balanced and force-free trainers often have far more in common than social media suggests.

Pat estimates that a good balanced trainer and a good force-free trainer may conduct approximately 80 per cent of their work similarly. Both may use reinforcement, develop motivation, build clear communication, structure repetitions and adjust the programme to the dog in front of them.

The differences may still matter, but they do not erase the considerable common ground.

Pat also explains that there are dogs he trains through an essentially force-free process because those dogs already possess sufficient power, drive and intensity. Other dogs may benefit from carefully managed adversity, pressure or consequences.

Different dogs can require different approaches.

The discussion then turns to professional relationships. Glenn mentions Nick, a trainer who maintained a friendship with Pat despite sitting on the opposite side of the methodological debate for many years. They exchanged ideas, gave one another advice and remained able to discuss dog training without demanding ideological agreement.

Pat also describes receiving referrals from force-free trainers who recognise that a particular case has reached the boundary of their preferred approach. He explains that he has likewise referred clients to suitable force-free trainers when that practitioner was the better fit for the owner.

That is the standard Glenn and Pat believe real professionals should pursue: honest discussion, appropriate referral and the welfare of the dog taking priority over ownership of the client.

Near Enough Isn’t Good Enough

The failed AI artwork becomes the episode’s central metaphor.

It looked right until people examined it.

The faces were nearly right. The dogs were nearly right. The shirt was nearly right. The overall composition was professional enough to obscure the errors for a moment.

Dog-training information deserves greater scrutiny.

Before accepting a confident online claim, Glenn encourages people to do the physical legwork. Visit trainers. Observe dogs. Examine outcomes. Ask how the method performs outside the graphic, caption or theoretical statement.

Good presentation is not proof of good training.

Popularity is not proof of practical competence.

Agreement within an online community is not proof that the underlying position is correct.

Near enough is not good enough when an owner, a family, a neighbourhood or a dog may have to live with the consequences.

The episode closes with Glenn reflecting on the many years he has spent in the profession. He remembers an industry in which people could disagree strongly, remain respectful and still learn from one another.

Despite his frustration with the current hostility, he retains faith that enough people still value honest conversation, professional growth and genuine concern for dogs to move the industry in a better direction.

Further Details

Glenn Cooke works across canine training, education and professional development with Pet Resorts Australia.

Pat Stuart provides dog training, coaching and professional education through Serious Dog Business.

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The Canine Paradigm — Episode 374: AI Slop and the Dog Training Echo Chamber. Machine-transcribed; use the interactive transcript above to jump the player to any line.

What's happening in the K9 industry? For all the latest news, views and expert opinions, stay right here for the K9 paradigm. You'll hear from industry leaders, experts, giants of the industry, learned colleagues, moveers and shakers, and the odd, randy guest. Get the latest insights and expert advice from both here and abroad from the people in the know. Now, here are your hosts, Glenn Cook and Pat Stewart. And I'm lofty full-ton. And I'm out of here. Hey, Glenn, I reckon it's time for a new ad. You reckon we just went 14 months with the old one. We don't even have sponsors anymore, sir. Probably was a good thing to take it down. I think they just got so sick of it. Yeah. So we've decided to no longer take sponsors on the show. The main reason being it comes with a level of admin that we're just not prepared to do. Yeah. And we want to bring you good dog training information. So there's really only two things that we're interested in telling you about before you come into the show.

First one being canine surdicles, Glenn hit us with the details. Thousands of customers, mainly in Australia and in the USA. I'd love to get in other places around the world, which I think will be on the list. We've got five star reviews to the galore. We've had skeptics, people who just don't believe, products such as canine surdicles can do anything for their dogs. They've tried it, they've come back and they've said, it works, it's made a massive change or it's made a mold change or it's made a change. That was one of the things Neural was always working towards. She makes sure she does the science. She likes to peer review everything she's trying to do as much as possible. These things aren't just done by chance. She has done a lot of work, a lot of prep getting it to where it is. Extremely proud of her for all the effort that she's put behind it. Not just because she's my wife, not just because it's our business or her business, but because it works and it's done what it says it's going to do and it's at such a great level as well. So if you're looking for something to improve

the health and wellbeing of your dogs, you can't go past canine surdicles. Check it out online canine surdicles.com.au. I love it. I this year am changing the way that I teach. I am an educator, it's what I love to do and I've been trying to find the best way to do that. And in 2026 I'm launching a subscription service. In the past people have had to buy my courses, you own them outright or you own them for a period. And that has been great, except that it does cut some people out because of the high price point that they can't get in on where subscription service allows people to come in. So if you want to check out what I'm doing this year, there's a ton of really high quality information as well as community forums, life calls and all that kind of stuff within the serious dog business community that I've launched. There'll be links in the show notes or you can jump onto the school platform and search serious dog business. You'll find me there. Let's just remind people that they do want to support our show. They can head over to Patreon. We always do a wrap up at the end of the show. Patreon keeps the lights on. If you want to support us, this is the only financial way

that the canine paradigm gets a cash influx. Our government takes half of it being in Australia. That's what they like to do. Nonetheless, we have exceedingly appreciated your support. People like Buffet, the Sugar Mama massive shout out to them because they were huge supporters of the show. And also, as I've said in my one-man ban show that I did just before this, George Kittridge, loving memory of you as well. Thanks for your Patreonage as well. All right, let's do it. Welcome back to the canine paradigm. I'm your host, Patch Stewart. I'm joined today by my co-host, Glen Cook. Here we are. Is it really us or is it AI? I don't know. Tell us about what happened here, because I'm looking online. Casey's put into the discussion group, so for those of the big one in there, they canine. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. I'm married on this discussion group. Look at a photo of a Blake who looks kind of like me.

He's got a beard like me, he's got hair like me. If you're loosely describing this guy, you're also loosely describing me. The dog he's holding is my dog. That's pretty accurate. I feel like they got that right. He looks young and looks great. But what happened here, Glen? All right, confession time. The formatile that I use when I'm editing episodes, I do that through Photoshop. So I created all that myself, found a couple of pictures of you on me, and just out logo, and just spent some time one evening combining everything. The text was the only thing that I really needed to edit. Everything else, I merged it all into play, so I didn't have to fiddle with anything other than the text. The text was always something that I could just go in and edit considering that AI has been getting better and better with graphic interface. Lately, I showed it the tile and I just said, I'd like a bit of a more modernized version of this if you could. Here's what the episode is called, and would you mind showing me a couple of versions? So it made probably about three different variations,

and I looked at that one and I thought, oh yeah, that looks pretty good. But I was using my laptop, so I didn't zoom right in on it or inspect the fucking faces like everybody on the Facebook's discovery, the scouting group is doing. So I put it up there and I thought, oh yeah, that looks okay. Mate, within days, I was getting, if you guys been fucking swapped by shapefifters or, like just one after the other one of people send me messages. My favorite part is, I remember we took those photos. That was a long time ago. It was a long time ago. We definitely did you once, but I was wearing my cool story, show me your dog, T-shirt. Yep, it's changed that to our story, begin we your dog. Oh, just, is that what it says? It says our story. Dot, begin we your dog. There you go. I didn't even look at it. I just threw it together and I thought, yeah, that looks close enough. I'll go with that new look. It'll simplify having a fucking poke around in Photoshop before I put the graphic edit up.

But it's getting better, but it's still just guessing its way along things, obviously. So it's going, oh, okay, I'll change the position and change the graphic, but while I'm here, I'll just mutate their faces and change whatever it is. And the text doesn't seem to matter. Close enough is good enough. Press the button. Yeah, yeah. So I've been seeing basically the same AI poster for every dog event on the planet. Oh yeah. Everybody is using the same template. It's the same thing. The same cross hatch writing and three quarter writing page, quarter page graphic, multiple icons, indicating key points. Like the color schemes are all the same. It's all the same dark look. It's amazing the trends that follow from it, right? Oh, mate, even when I go into local community groups and so forth on Facebook, up where we live now, we're in most of the local community groups, all of their marketing groups, you know, if they've got big groups or,

which I mean buzzing bees, like if they've got big groups or anything, same poster. If it's a tractor group, same poster. If it's a swap meet group, same poster. All it's done is just changed around. People are just conveniently going to their AI model and going, Hey, Jimmy Joe down the road just did a poster on this. Can you make one for me that would look cool and hip and have all the information? And if that was the first poster you saw, you go, Oh, that's actually a pretty good poster. It's informative. Yeah, it's got great information. It's got content in it. It's got nice colors. It's appealing. But now it's just drowned out in a wave of things that just look horrendously the same. So it's lost its flare. It's lost its originality. Same thing with the poster that I put up. People look at it and they go, and the comment that always gets me the one that I fucking love, I just imagine is great big lump with a hairy ass sitting on the couch scratching their ass. It's going, Oh, that looks like AI slop. So every time I see that comment,

I see that same person just saying that. And I think, man, you're talking about people being lazy with their fucking artwork. You're just lazy with your rhetoric. You're about as originals of fucking orthopedic shoes. Show some flare of you going to insult my fucking poster. Yeah. I think that is interesting in the dog space. We've seen a lot of people who previously we didn't hear of. Now in the age of AI are all up in my feed, right? And they're making heaps of content. And it's all just, it is slop. It all is just anti-balanced training slop. It's amazing how much of it's in my feed at the moment. There's a bunch of new characters. People I'd never heard of before that are suddenly blowing up my feed. I've clicked on some of the profiles. Sometimes when I'm taking a poo, I'm curious about what's going on social media. And I'll have a clicker out. And so I'm not giving them my valuable time, right? And there's these numerous accounts that are just all AI content. And they're all anti-balanced training.

For a while, I thought these main ones might have actually been bots. I thought that they weren't even real people, but they are. Their people can look them up. And occasionally the person goes on a rant. Like there's one guy who's been leaving these comments sort of much of mine and other people's videos. Everything on his page is just AI nonsense, but then every now and again, he goes on a rant and you can go, oh, it's a real person, right? So I think it's pretty interesting. I think that people who in the past might have just been having to make a sandwich board and hand painted and stand on the corner, yelling and nobody cared, are now able to make quite engaging. And eye-catching graphics by just yelling their madness into AI and then posting that and having an effect like they're developing or following because the AI seems to be able to filter some of their crazy, right? Like they're able to just ramble madness into their computer or into their phone and it will spit them out something that they can post and create all of this anti-balanced rhetoric.

Have you seen any of that stuff? I think I've said it multiple times that there is an emergence of new dog trainers that are coming through the industry probably every five years. It used to be about every 10 years when it wasn't as prolific when there weren't so many study courses and not every second person was doing an online course like they are now. You kind of had to apprentice to dog trainers. You had to go and spend time, but usually what it was, you go down and train your dog with somebody, once you train that dog, you'd kind of go, I like this or I've been training my dog with AKC trials for a while, I wouldn't mind getting involved and learning a bit more of the craft. And then you would have lunches together and come up with a bit of a game plan. So it wasn't as formalized as what it is now. It wasn't a big business. It was more of a hobby sort of slash joby sort of thing back in the day. Now it's big business. Big business attracts that competitive edge that people have, the jealousies, the professional jealousies that all come with it.

Social media has now become a battleground where people will communicate with AI. Most of us do it now. There's reduced a lot of people's workflow or workload, I should say, whereas what we're doing now is going, usually I would have to go into something and spend a bit of time fiddling around with this and changing the graphic look I was doing at Photoshop. Whereas with AI, it's making it a little easier to get in there and say, you write the text and the AI just goes, yep, cool, I'll do that for you. I am now employee, so I will do that for you. So now these people are doing the same sort of thing. They're getting angry, they're saying, do I, I'm angry, Pat and Glenn have said this on their episode today or they've written this in their discussion group and I want them to know all the anties to do that. And I will oblige them because it's basically your companion. It's sitting there and going, oh yeah, cool. Okay, here's the things that you can say as a rebuttal to their points because you're right, like your head is on straight and you're the best person in the room. AI is very complimentary, it loves to compliment you

along the way, which I turned off on mine. I don't like that, I just say to him, I don't want compliments, I don't want smoke, I want you to tell me the truth. If something that we're talking about is wrong, I want you to show me where it's wrong and how it's wrong and why I'm wrong in my thinking. I don't want you to tell me you're right or that sounds great, well done, you or anything like that. That's not what I want from something that I consider a business partner or something that I'm trying to improve from. I don't think at any stage you and I have talked about journeys into dog training or even the journeys of the dogs in dog training, how it's just one easy task. It's about struggle. The struggle defines you, it defines your dog training principles, it defines what you're trying to bring out of it in it, it defines the undertaking that your client is going to grow from. All that struggle helps knocking and sanding and chiseling all those little edges off and all those little imperfections over a period of time. What's like any other craft when you slowly doing things or you're doing it at the pace that it deserves,

it helps create this impressive outcome of work when you finally get there. But it doesn't come with ease, it comes with pressure. But I think that's the laziness of AI for a lot of people. Is it just compliment you all the time? It tells you that well done, you're doing a great thing and oh yeah, nobody can do that like you can do it. So then people, and especially people who are a little confused about things and they're using AI now as a companion. Now they're having their fantasies reinforced, now they're having their ideas reinforced. Now they're being told, yeah, you're on the right track mate, you're doing the right thing, patent glen or evil people. They're trying to bring down the dog weld. So you need to, I'll help you make a placard that tells everybody else that they should listen to you and not them because this is the way that we should go forward. And I think when people are trying to warn us about the dangers of AI, that's probably one of them. They're encouraging people to think the way they're thinking rather than having a true therapist and going, I think we should look into those dark thoughts. I think we should talk about them probably privately

for a little bit of time. So we can sit together and think on that before we just let go. What are your thoughts? Yeah, oh for sure. I think that we're witnessing that. We've all heard all these stories about AI psychosis and people being radicalized by AI and people even killing themselves over it, right? There's stories of that all through the news. But I think for sure, one thing that I think is interesting with AI is it's so malleable when you talk about it with dog training. Yeah, if you load up a fresh window, you'd like a fresh account, whatever and you ask dogcading questions with AI. It was my experience when it first started. Certainly I was doing that asking you about dog training and it was very force free until you push back on staff and then it changes its tune pretty quickly and starts agreeing with you on various things. Now the problem I think is in terms of the real life application of dog training and through the lens of AI is both you and I have spent a lot of time teaching a lot of people about dog training, right? And the thing is I think the way that we teach dog training

it's not that we talk in absolutes, but the way that you describe things is seldom the way it actually goes down, right? Like little stuff. One of the things that I see people get wrong kind of all the time because we never explain it especially well is like, imagine when you're shaping a dog, right? Like you're doing free shaping, the dog hits the target behavior or something that approximates it and you're happy. You mark the dog comes back to you, you feed it, you give it the reward, whatever. Now this space between the receipt of that reinforcer and the next rep is the messier space whenever you're shaping. Absolutely. And as a trainer, we know this is where a lot of confusion can come in. This is where people start and trying to tell the dog to do the thing again while it's still leading the food while it's still processing that information. What I teach people now and I go out of my way to explain how to do it is that we reinforce the dog and then we have to create some sort of separation between the reps, which usually means restraining the dog a little bit or holding the dog, holding onto the dog and then releasing the dog to go

and interact with the thing that we're shaping again, right? Rather than just this messy flow of the dog comes to you, give it the food and then it goes out and does a thing. You need that sort of space in between. Now there's no way AI could explain that to you. There's no way that it has a sense of what to do in that space because that's a felt experience thing, right? And as you can hear my shitty job of trying to explain it now and I'm pretty good at talking and I'm pretty good at teaching this kind of thing, it's a felt experience. You've got to kind of do that. And so that's just one example of where, AI just can't give you that detailed information. And so when we start, the people who are not actually handling dogs and if you in the trap of, okay, I've got my old Labrador that's 15 and was actually trained with the balanced techniques because back then that's how I was training and now I've decided I'm forced free now and I'm taking the credit for that my balanced trained dog as saying that it's forced free and it's 15 years old so just is an old Lab that doesn't do anything

so it just puts around. If that's what you've got and then you've got AI and a bunch of the echo chamber of forced free stuff telling you how to do things, you would easily convince yourself that dog training is something that it's not. That's what we're seeing quite a lot of with abuse of AI throughout social media is people who are dumbing down the reality of what actually we're facing here, right? My one simple example of the space between the reps is something that unless you've done a good amount of shaping, how could you understand that? How could you correlate to that? How could you understand that such a messy space and that's where so many people create like either a flat dog or a dog that never really understands the behaviors and just is going with the flow and solving that problem of the day rather than learning a behavior that could be on command. Just one example, AI can't explain to you, oh no, you've got to hang on to that dog, right? You've got to restrict that dog.

You've got to feel in your hands as the dog is leaning towards the target behavior and that's when you would release that and hey, that can be the beginnings of your pressure, right? So because this shaping has been all forced free, it's free shaping, right? We're just clicking and paying. But if you restrict the dog from going to do the next rep, maybe then you're coiling that a little bit and you release that restriction and you create a bit of frustration and it will do it much better. How on earth could AI explain that to? And if you're just in the echo chamber of balance training bad, force free training good, is the all the studies that I have not read by M quoting? This is all just an echo chamber of people who don't put their hands on dogs, right? Like this is people who are like it's just the information is getting weirder and falcer and falcer. In the same way, this dude in this picture that we're looking at here, he's got my hair and he's got my beard and he's wearing a black t shirt with writing that's similar to the writing that was on my shirt, but it's on my shirt

that said cool story, show me your dog. It didn't say our story begin, we are your dog. But I think that is such a, that's such a good example of this echo chamber that we see, especially now with AI playing into it, that people are convincing themselves that they're doing something that they're just not doing, right? And for those of us who are actually putting our hands on dogs every day and who are actually training dogs to measurable standards and offering ourselves to be measured against those standards, going into sport competitions and saying, hey, I'm here to be tested, right? You determine, you decide whether I'm good enough for this or not. And I've got paying clients, like I've got customers who, if they're not happy, I got, they don't come back. This is my job. This is how I, this is how I actually make a living is selling the information and helping people train their actual dogs, putting their hands on dogs. If I'm not good at that, they don't come back, they don't pay me. My current school is a subscription. If it's junk, people bounce out. I need people to stay in there, right? You have to actually be good at this stuff. But if you're just a person who's making content

and selling bullshit online and not regularly putting your hands on dogs and learning and testing and adjusting and being like, let me see them train some dogs. Let me see some of these problematic dogs get turned around into real family pets that can live in people's homes. Let's see that happen because the information in itself is being bastardized and corrupted and turned until it looks kind of similar. And it looks nicer even. This guy in the AI photo here, he's better look at me. He looks great, right? But he's not real. It's not reality. You can't meet him. He doesn't exist. And that's the same with this idea of this type of dog training that people are pushing upon their audiences. Is it just doesn't exist? This is not real. It doesn't work. Do you remember the video I've been made of when they were talking about using front attach harnesses and he had a little black mally off tap? Just a normal mally just off reactive and he put it on the front front attach on. You just think that video, but it was hilarious. Haven't seen it. It was years ago. It was years ago. He's gone on YouTube, but it's fucking hilarious. Cause he does exactly what the prescription is.

Right? He says what people say. This is how you should treat this dog. It is a fucking shit show. And you've got maybe one of the world's best dog trainers just standing on the end of the leash. And it is a fucking disaster. And so I think that's the piece that's missing from all of this online rhetoric, all of these AI posters that we're seeing. It's this constant changing and bastardization of reality. And yep, it looks good. This poster of me looks great and at a glance, it's me. But when you look closely, you go, that's not bad. That's not real. That's not a dude you can meet. When you look at these posters of balance training bad, force free training good, you're like, that reads real nice. That's a cool look and post good on you. But that's not real. That doesn't happen. That's not how the world functions. So that's my big concern. And what I'm seeing is the amount of traction that those accounts that are posting that kind of stuff are getting is massively increased. And so that's one of the things that I think is quite interesting is that the AI slop content, as you said,

AI is really good at creating stuff that people like so that they keep paying their subscription and keep engaging with it. Of course. And so I think that's been quite interesting is that AI is making all this anti-balanced training content on behalf of people who are posting it and it's getting them quite good traction. The kind of traction they could never get by themselves, they're not creative, they're not thoughtful. They don't actually have the ability to be a person who makes content people would engage with, but they're angry, they're resentful. And they probably, I think, a lot of the older men that we're seeing taking up this role, fulfilling this, it's an emerging archetype. It's one that we haven't seen be this successful or this popular in the zeitgeist, have probably been in dogs their whole life or peripherally in the dog space. Never been very good at it and overlooked. And nobody's ever really paid much attention to what they have to say. But now online, they're able to make all these graphics and just continually say this same stuff over and over

this repeating this nonsense over and over and they've developed an audience at that and it's an audience that engages with their slop content and is indoctrinated by it. And like, I can imagine, I don't have to imagine, I know it, to have people giving you that kind of feedback all the time, regardless of why you're getting that feedback, it's intoxicating, right? Like it is intoxicating. And that's why rock stars go crazy. You know what I mean? Like that's why you and I have been people, I think at the most people I've had listening to me when I gave a presentation, I think it was 500 people at a time, right? But like you look like you and I, we've got podcasts that tens of thousands of people have listened to, like we're talking to large audiences of people, but when you feel that energy back, you get good feedback, you know, you teach a seminar to 50 people and 20 of them really, truly tell you afterwards, well, man, those amazing, I really enjoyed that. Like that is an incredible feeling. Rent that up, right? Rent that up where every day you can pace some AI slop and 70 people tell you like how right you are

and to keep fighting the fight. Like it's not until you started posting this stuff that anybody said anything kind to you, right? Imagine that feeling. Imagine that. Yeah. No wonder we're seeing them double down on it and do that in the pursuit and destruction of people. Like we see a couple of these people really going after like Melanie Uter who seems to be their favorite, right? They love to put all the comments all over her stuff and try and bring her down. It would be intoxicating because they got support and whether that support is from equally crazy people and like no matter what weird niche you're into, you can find 1,000 people on earth that are also into that niche. Of the 8 billion people or 8 billion still live of the 5.5 billion people or whatever is left on the planet, like you can find 1,000 of them that are into whatever weird, peculiar shit you're into. And now with modern technology, you can find that 1,000 people. It used to be they were in the other village and you never got to meet them. You were this village's version of that and you didn't get to know that there was another one of those in the village. In the next village over. But now you get to collect all of those.

You can all have the same forum. You can echo Chamber each other like crazy and drive each other further and further crazy with the intoxication of being relevant. And that's why I think we're seeing so much of this AI created anti-balanced training rhetoric all over the inner web. That's my rant. I just hit my own microphone. Sorry about that. I saw that. I saw you just hands flying all over the place while you were throwing my hands up. That's my rant. And they hit my own microphone. Do you recall some time back where I told you that a colleague in the industry said to me, Glenn, you would make a lot more money and you'd do much better for yourself if you'd only keep your mouth shut. Do you remember me telling you that? Yeah. I've spent time periodically thinking back on that comment. How easy it would have been just to go along with the flow, how I could have endorsed things that I didn't really agree with, how I could make more money by preaching something that didn't feel right. But the issue I have with it is it didn't feel right.

The content didn't feel right. The crowd didn't feel right. The outcome didn't feel right. Nothing that I was compelled to do or say felt right. It didn't feel good. It didn't feel right. It didn't feel like it fit with a narrative that I really wanted to support. People have challenged me on that and said, oh, you've never given it a go. You've never given it a chance. And to that, I say, I did. I did give it a chance. I tried. I tried your way. It didn't work out the way that you expected it to. It worked out exactly the way I expected it to. It failed. It's not helping. All I'm doing is I'm supporting a narrative that you guys are trying to build around me. And then you're boxing me in and forcing me to go along with it or then I'm going to be punished by being ostracized. And then continually beaten down by a group of people who don't agree with what I want to do. What you were putting down before me, I'm fully in support of that because I've gone through the physical sciences of watching dogs transform from dogs

that are struggling with horrendous types of behaviors and owners just not being able to manage them and other trainers saying, oh, yeah, you do this and it takes you a four to six year gap, which you and I were talking about before we turn on the microphones. People actually going to seminars and telling people it's going to be a four to six year window before you can resolve this dog's behavior. Now, I don't know about you, mate. I don't speak for you. You're your own person. You speak for yourself. How many people have you met that are willing to let it go on that long and willing to watch their dog suffer under the yoke of some form of medication only to still have residuals of that behavior ebbing and flowing through the living room with that dog? How long is that fucking gonna last for? And that's the real discussion that I have with people who are sitting there having a real physical breakdown, not an online physical breakdown. Like you're sitting in the lounge room while they are debating whether or not it's a good thing to keep their dog alive anymore

because they cannot do anything without being judged horrendously by a group of people who aren't living with them, who don't endure the problems that they're enduring and who would also shun them. The minute the dog shows that type of behavior in their social groups. So they get no fucking support. All they do is get told you must follow the narrative. This is what you have to do. And these are real people that I talk to on a regular basis. So you and I are making this a bit of a rant here episode, but it's also made a truthful episode. There's nothing, when you strip away the confines of how the discussion is going down, it's real things that are happening to real people in front of you and I that we are bearing witness to. And when you talk to many people like you and I who are involved in, let's say, the balanced word for people who are stuck on not wanting to call or label anything whatever it is, those same people, the people that we have an affiliation with

and association with are saying the fucking same story. I'm going round of these people's houses. I'm watching them breaking down. I'm watching them concern. I'm watching them tell me that they've been told they can't do this or they can't employ this tool or they can't talk to us or they're not allowed to do this. And the question I ask people is why can't you? Why can't you? You're an adult. You're not what we're going to talk about and what we're going to do. There is no law around it yet. There's people trying to change the laws to modify. And that's the scary thing, mate, is what people realize is the way that I'll stop you is I will constantly bombard politicians with all my friends. Yeah, that's right. To make you make them change the law. And this is why Melanie Udder comes under fire. Not because she's wrong, it's because she's speaking the truth. And people go, oh, we don't like her. She's a false idol. Mate, people who speak the truth. And I found this myself many times. When I've spoken out about people in the industry and when I've brought it to people's attentions, the reality behind the mask of people

who are behaving terribly when they're doing their best to put on this fucking performance for people, when I tear down that mask and I tear away the fabric and I show people who they really are, you don't gain friends from it. You gain more enemy and you gain friends. To be honest, I feel better at the end of it because then I think, okay, perhaps I don't want to be friends with you anymore either of you're going to support the terrible behavior that this person actually doing. You are not a popular person when you raise the flag of truth. And people love being flattered. They love being told fibs about things and even marketing encourages that. And this is what AI is doing before. It flops you. It tells you things that you desire, things that make your ego feel inflated. And that's exactly what I tell AI not to do to me. I say, don't flatter me. Don't tell me things that you think I want to hear. It's not useful for my growth. I need the struggle. I need to know what I shouldn't do here. And if I am saying something wrong, I need you to tell me what it might be. Man, I've had you and you have pointed things out to me

before as I've confessed many times where you've said, hey mate, I probably wouldn't have said it that way or I wouldn't think along those lines. But you do you. You've never told me, I can't do them. You're a proper true friend. You've just said, I've got you back. Have a think about this mate. It's not influence or not pressure or anything like that. But have a think about it. And analyzing it, you're 100% right. I guess what I'm trying to boil this all down to, if I'm trying to bring it to a point, before you just go off half cock with these things and before you go off with the popular consensus of a group of people, have a think about it. Do some physical legwork. Make your legs get out of your chair, go for a walk and go and visit these people directly and actually look for yourself. Because it's a diminished argument when I have it online or when I see it online or when I'm watching things. Most people favor what they think they're seeing online. And online, as you said, that picture of you, it really isn't you. It's AI's version of you. It's re-crafted you.

It repatten you into becoming something other than patched you. It's AI's version of, oh, this is close enough to patched you. I'll just deconstruct him and me. It did the same thing with me. And it deconstructed our dog slightly. And it just slightly modified everything to say, let fits a kind of close enough narrative. There's an old saying, it was an old Australian saying, used to be on an ad, which is near enough isn't good enough. And that's the thing that has become accessible in dog training now. Near enough isn't good enough. I guess the other thing that I'm worried made is the equity side of it is the equity side of it is in influencing popularity. It's now changing people. People don't know that being changed beyond their will, that being manipulated beyond their capability, they're being told to follow a narrative that isn't theirs and they don't even know it anymore. They don't even know they've been guided, softly guided and parrot-fashioned, trained to whisper a narrative and then to speak of the narrative and now shout the narrative. And then start to attacking people. And before you know it, you've got an angry mob.

And some people don't even know why they're in the angry mob. Have you ever seen it when people are protesting a politician or something on the street and somebody gets in the audience and says, can you tell me what you hate about this politician? And they go, oh, they're a racist. And they go, why are they a racist? What have they done that's actually racist? What have they said? Be specific. Tell us. And then they can't. So how do you know that they're a racist? Oh, my friend told me, or we heard about it at school. So they haven't even got a mind of their own. They're in a malleable point and like this can happen with dogs as well. Dogs can be controlled and manipulated into doing things beyond their processes. They can be manipulated into doing things like, I didn't even know I wanted to do that. But now it seems like a good idea. So I'll do it. But this is happening with young people and not just young people, mate, with old people as well. Like I've seen people in my own family who are manipulated by news articles who have become a version not who they used to be because now they're following too much social media. I try and spend as little time as I can

and I still spend a lot of time on social media but I try and spend as little time as I possibly can by doing other things. Like in that window instead of, because people will say to me, oh, you don't share much of your work online. I said, yeah, I'm not working dogs every hour of the day, mate. The last couple of years I learned to drive a tractor and to service that and to do all those sort of things. I learned to operate an excavator and to dig holes and to dig trenches and to pull stumps up and things like that. Like adding skills to my repertoire. So I'm doing other things in between that time. Like there are other things that I'm interested in doing there's other things that I want to do other than just get online and fight with people and try and outcompete them with something that I love that those very people are turning it into something that I don't know whether I love it as much anymore. And it's not because I don't love the dogs, it's not because I don't love the work. It's none of that. It's because I don't love some of the people that are involved in it and what they're doing to our industry and who they're trying to shape it in. Yeah. But I think you hit the nail on the head talking about the attempts to legislate.

So you're talking about, when you tell someone, oh, this can take four to six years to fix this separation anxiety issue with your dog or whatever it is. There's people who are okay with that, right? There are people. I've had clients, people vet you on the phone. Are you a balanced trainer or a force-free trainer? And I'm like, no, I always tell them a balanced trainer. I've got a broad skill set. We can work within what you want to work with it, just changes how we might do things. But then I've also had people, no, I'm not going to do anything like how you go, yeah, cool. I can refer you on. I don't know plenty of force-free trainers that are good. We're using that word, but people who don't use tools that are good that I can refer you to because some people want to do that. But if you're on far between, you're a graduate. How many times have you sat to somewhere? Did you go like, because you know when you're trying to feel people out and you just don't know what kind of, there's lots of ways to train a dog, right? So you're trying to feel someone out and be like, which one of you can actually do? And on what timeline do you want to repair this? And you say to people, like, yeah, there's a few ways we could do it. But one of these ways is they're six to eight months. And people, even at six to eight months, like, what the fuck are you kidding me?

You know, they're like, no, I want these fixers quickly as possible. I want to enjoy my time with this dog. This dog's causing, it's the dog is dangerous. Or whatever it is. Most people are like, no, I want this fix yesterday. I don't want this problem. And so I think you hit the nail on the head when the big push, but with all of this slop content is that they're pushing for legislative change because they know that it doesn't work. It's not real. The overwhelming majority of people wouldn't fall for that crap. Like, it's really easy to get cynical and think that people don't know dogs and stuff like that. But we as dog trainers, we're exposed to the worst, right? They're the people we see. Overwhelmingly, people do great with dogs. The average person gets a dog, they go to the YouTube university or maybe they jump into an online course somewhere or they go to a puppy school and then maybe an adolescent dog class, something like that. Overwhelmingly, people just do great with their dog. They don't need any help. They figure it out. They're naturally balanced trainers themselves. They reward things they like. They punish things they don't.

They don't do it anywhere near as well as you and I would, but they do find. We only get to encounter the people who are having a problem they can't resolve themselves. Right? That's who we as dog trainers encounter all the time. These people who have problems, they cannot resolve themselves. Yeah. And they're motivated to resolve the problem. So there's tons of people who have just got a turner in the yard, right? They're doing a dog that's just turned and food into shit for the rest of its life. That before? No, no. I've heard the phrase that dog only turns dog food in the dog shit, but I have never heard the turner. Yeah. But like to me, that's the saddest thing when someone's got a turner where they're like, no, I got this dog because we wanted a family companion or I was going to go for runs with it or whatever it is, but it hasn't gone that way. And now the dog literally just his full time job is shedding hair all over the house and turning food into shit. That's all it does. And doesn't provide anyone with what they wanted from the dog and also is not getting what it deserves from the people because it's not fitting to the life the way that the people had imagined. Unfortunately, I think that there's tons of dogs doing that.

We'll never even hear from those people because they can't afford it so that it doesn't, it's not in their wheelhouse to think that they should employ someone to fix that or to help them with that. It's not on their radar. So I think that the push for legislation is that I think a lot of the people who just don't have the skill set or capability to actually train a dog as well as the average balanced trainer can. I think most of those people, they want to legislate their competition away. There's certainly the archetype of person I was talking about prior. I don't think that they really have the good of dogs in their heart because there's plenty of people who I meet who have a bit of a conversation with them and you realize really quickly, oh no, you believe this. You are that, you're bought in and you believe it and you leave that life and you truly believe that you're in it for the betterment of dogs. And when you meet those people, they're actually really good trainers and they live appropriately with their dogs. They never call themselves like force free. They're just people who try and meet them. They love dogs, they love life and they're, you know, they pick love among beings.

Yeah. And they're willing to give the time and energy and patience to situations where they can use very little pressure on dogs. And the people, they do the thing, they stay quiet about it. They enjoy the harmony of time with the dog and life with the dog and their small community of like-minded people. And they've got a dog that was never really presenting with much of a problem anyway, which is, you know, that was awesome. But some of them do and some of them have spent four years fixing it. Yeah, you know what I mean? Because they're happy to do that. They're happy to live that life and suffer through that and find, like good for you. But I think that a lot of the people who we see carrying on about balance training and not showing us really good force free training or positive training, just carrying on about how bad balance training is. That is from a place of resent. That is from a place of I got looked over. And it's not that they want good for the dogs. It's that they want bad for you, right? They want bad for people like you. They want bad for people like me. They don't necessarily want good for the dogs. If you completely banned balance training, that the fucking outcomes,

that would be horrendous, right? If all of a sudden they just banned today in whatever capacity, right? So say here in our state, if we just, no, no, no, they are coming. Where it's like, no, force free methods are all that you're allowed to use. And you'll be prosecuted. And we've got AI cameras everywhere watching you. Your own phones going to double on you. It would be a disaster. The outcomes for animal welfare would be heinous. Like there would be so many dogs that would be living much worse existence. They're not for pharmaceutical companies. And not for, not for the people who have investment in them. Because I mean, the biostatistics will go exponentially through the roof. Yeah, there was a message left on our, one of our social media. I have to read it to you because it made me, it actually made me laugh. Yeah. A master class in outdated, dangerous dog training misinformation. That was said about us. Was that a review? That was a review that got left by BS detector. Yeah. Our sport is training dogs. Our interest, our passion is training dogs. I think they're interested in passion.

And where they gain their popularity from is being snarky to other people. And I think that's where they, that's where they gained some notoriety from. I am worried about this kind of stuff. I think that the writings on the wall, more and more legislation is coming in clearly. We're seeing that in the dog space where we are experts. And we can see you're non experts that are making these decisions and making these pushes. You don't see where this is headed. We see this. I see where this is going. You don't see this. You've made a decision based on the incomplete partial data that you have. And you don't see the danger that this is going to create. And where within that scene at? That happens all the time. The experts wanted to like sounding the alarm and the lay people are like, no, you don't get it. You're out because we are, it's done in Kruger. We understand 5% of this. And it's the 5% that we care about. You and your expertise and your genuine knowledge about this can go fuck yourself. This is how we're staying rollin' forward. I don't want to carry on about too much. It's probably time to wrap up. But I think that it is very concerning. It's a worrying trend that we're seeing more and more of.

And like I said, when there was debates between force-free and balanced trainers, more often than not, find a lot that we agree on. Because the differences are pretty minor. A good balanced trainer and a good force-free trainer, they're doing 80% of the shit the same. All right? We're interacting with dogs very similar. It's just minor changes that we're doing differently. And that can have a big effect, those minor changes. But like I said, I think that there's room for everybody because the market is enormous. There's lots of different kinds of dogs that perform better under different circumstances. There's plenty of dogs that I train in an essentially force-free method because that's what they need. That's gonna work for them, right? The funny thing is what I say that. A lot of people that imagine, you're like when you say your teacher dogs, I just train force-free and people then go, their mind goes to the weaker, softer dogs that don't need the only like, no. They're the ones that need to be a lot of pressure to harden up and bring a bit of warmth to things and show them how, hey man, here's some difficulty for you to overcome. I can make you a better version of yourself. The dogs that I'm training force-free are the monsters.

Like, not the aggressive roles, but they're the powerful dogs. And I'm like, oh wow, no, I don't need to do, I don't need to juice you up in any way, right? You've got it all. All I need to do is convince you if you do the things I say I'll give you these things. Easy peasy. It's the weaker softer dogs that we've got to be like, hey man, here's some adversity you've got to get through. We've got to toughen you up. We've got to give some challenges for you to overcome and feel powerful having overcome them and become a better version of yourself. But like I say, his room for everybody who's actually training dogs and he's actually trying to be successful with training dogs. And like I say, there's clients who are happy when you say, oh, this is a four-year turnaround, they're like, right, oh, let's do it. And they're with you on that journey. But they're plenty that aren't. They're like, no way. This is going to take four years to come, fucking kill him, this dog tomorrow. And we have to be able to service those people and real dog trainers, we will always find level ground. But what I'm seeing from a load of these people who are mine is they're calling balanced trainers abusers. And not just, I don't agree with that, I wouldn't do that. It's like, no, you and everything you stand for is abuse.

And I want it banned. They're not open to any sort of back and forth about what do we agree on? And how do we actually do things? And I want you to see how I do things. And now the amount of force-free trainers that I've had come to seminars or even in event events where they've just had conversation with them, like come and watch and you tell me, if you see me do something you're actually uncomfortable with, you stop me and I'll stop. I'm not going to do that shit in front of you. And they never do. They're always like, oh, this is fine. I don't want to do it. I can't do it. I wouldn't do it. Whatever. I don't have an issue with that. I don't think that's abuse. I wouldn't stop you. Like Nick Benscher. So we find, yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's a perfect point. So me and Nick have been friends for 10 years or thereabouts. We've been back and forth chatting with each other. We go maybe 18 months without talking or whatever. But we back and forth, we chat all the time. And for years, we're on opposite sides of the fence. And then eventually he's chained sides and good for him. But I didn't need him to do that. Nick was a friend, whether he was a balanced trainer or not, I'm happy to talk to him about dog training. And there's farc tundra that we can have good open dialogue

about good training. And both of us have given each other good advice in the past when we're on totally opposite sides of the fence. You know what I mean? That's the thing that real dog trainers do with each other. But when you got these dudes who are just making all this slop and trying to convince people that balanced training is abuse and that it has to be stopped, there's no dialogue with them because they don't actually train dogs. They don't actually have any common ground because they don't train. And so there is no communication with them. They want you and what you do banned so that it doesn't exist. And the outcomes are not going to be in the interest of Adam and welfare. In the same way, like all the people who I respect in dog training that don't use tools, let's call them force free, the people that I respect, to do that, they're not trying to get me banned. And they're okay with what I do. And many of them refer people to me. Like I've had tons of people online come from force free people all around the world who have said, I'm at this junction where this person has said, you're the person that can help me with this. And that's what real dog trainers do. Like the same way I've had people say,

nah, like I just my profile alone is enough to scare people away. I can be like, I don't do so much of this anymore, but in my area, I know all the good force free trainers, I can refer you to them. You can get along with them. Like I want good for you and your job. And if that's going to be with this person and not with me, then fuck a no, let's do that. I've got plenty of work. I don't need this. I don't need them to not have work. I want that for them. But it's when these people who are not actual dog trainers, they will never find level ground. We'll never be able to agree on anything. Because I don't do any dog training. There's nothing to agree on. They don't do it to stalemate. There's nowhere to go. We can't actually give and take, because you're not on the battlefield. You're not on the, you're not a player. You're frustrating. Interesting you're saying all this, mate. And just make conscious of a couple of thoughts in my mind before we can include the episode. A couple of weeks ago, out of the blue, the guy that was interpreting for me when I was over in the UAE, when I was doing the police training over there. He just reached out to me and said, hey, Cookie, how do you remember me? And I said, yeah, mate, how are you? He's had a daughter since then, and he was telling me about how he's bought a cat for her.

And it's beautiful watching them playing with each other. And he loves watching all the stuff that he sees me doing online with the animals, the chickens and dogs, and all that sort of stuff. We were chatting backwards and forwards. It was nice to catch up with him. And he did a great job interpreting for me when he was over there. He did a really good job. He knew English to Arabic translation very well. So it made my job easy, because when I started to get into behavioral sciences and we were talking about the theory behind it, he was able to really break it down for me. In our conversation, he said to me, do you and your mates in Australia do you worry about your futures? And I said, develop context for me. And he said, like just the way the world is going and the dangers of what's happening with everything. And he said, obviously I'm over here. I'm Muslim and all these things are going on with countries. He said, do you guys worry? And I said, yeah, we do. Most of us do, mate. Most of us are concerned. And he goes, why would we want this? And I said, we don't. The common man and woman doesn't. What they want is to exercise their freedoms and to enjoy the companionship of each other.

And people want to raise their children and live in peace and love the neighbor, like you're supposed to. Isn't that what you want? And he goes exactly, he goes, I fear for my child's future. And he said, I fear for my neighbors, the people that are in surrounding towns and cities and so forth with me, he said, none of us want this. And I said, yeah, it's the extremism of people. It's the people who hold the highest levels of corruption around that that want the chaotic futures who want to change the landscape of what normal people want who are just trying to get on with life. And I said, it happens the same thing in dog training. There's different mindsets of trainers who all get along with each other and do enjoy each other's company. And will, as you said, we'll refer work to each other and live next door to each other in complete utter harmony. But the extremist's service, don't want that. They want us fighting. They want to keep us apart. They want us to hate each other. They want that to happen. That happens in governments, it happens in cities. You named it yourself, mate. You said, you can split two teams of people up

and call them team A and team B. They will fight hard against each other because they believe they're doing something righteous. They believe they're doing God's work on that other side. And that's the part that has always stuck with me and the things that make me think about the way that we behave as humans is, how can we determine the life of an animal and its future going forward when we can't even control our own emotions and keep ourselves in check? I think that's one of the things that does need proper regulation. But the other point I want to make to this, the other reference I have to this, do you remember the original movie, Alien, the second one, Aliens, was the second one where they actually go to the planet and it's taking a team of mercenaries and so forth. And the Marines. Bill Paxton, that's it. Yeah. Another glorious day in the core. Every while a banquet, every paycheck or fortune. That's the movie. So they go there with this mission plan that they're there to find out what's happening with the settlers. It's presented to them like it's a rescue mission.

But what it really is, what it's come down to is a conglomerate, a money company behind it has made this, the Whalen Corporation exactly, has gone in there and their representative is trying to make sure that they can smuggle back these aliens so they can transform them into bio weapons. It never was about a rescue mission. There was an incentive behind it. It was an equity group behind it, putting people at risk, putting people against each other and turning people against each other. And there was one scene where they were locked in this tower after they realized that all these aliens were around them and that they'd overcome the whole settler group. And most of them had been taken and there was only once a viable girl. But their own person within them put them at risk by shutting down their defenses and allowing the aliens to get through, thinking that he was going to escape. Well, everybody else got taken and implanted and he was going to get back, Scott free and be able to seize the day freeze company. The point to this, there's long winder dog, watch the movie, it's great, it's terrific movie.

But the whole point to this mate, this is what's happening to us, this is what I've been trying to say, this is what's part of the narrative that there is no good dog trainers versus evil dog trainers. But like you and I say, when we're working with dogs, there are dogs that don't need the strong arm tactics. And I don't even want to use that word. They don't need the use of a vericep so they don't need the use of a pressure that some other dogs do. But there are dogs that do and they relinquish their behaviors through them. And we see a better platform of behaviors that people can enjoy the dog and neighborhoods can feel safe with that dog in the neighborhood. And people can get on with the life, but that whole thing frustrates me. Money's good, I've made a confession before, I'm not allergic to money, I don't mind making money. But also I have knocked back the consumption of the levels of money to try and do the right thing as well. And I'm no perfect person. But people out there, seriously, look at what's driving behind the scenes in the industry, look who's pushing these narratives. I think really I'd like to see some gaps being healed.

There's a lot of people out there who just won't do it, they can't do it. They've developed a persona that they're intoxicated by, they're in love with that version of themselves. And for the people who can, power to you because it's hard to overcome something that you have an addiction to, that you feel good about, that it has finally gotten you some attention that you've been long craving. But try and find it elsewhere, try and find some usefulness in something else. It's not that hard, you don't really need to crave the attention of other people. There's some amazing things out there that you can do and you can become something of value rather than being that horrible person in the backdrop. You're right, you got more? I know that some people don't enjoy these episodes because they can sound negative and so forth, but I could just cry because it's a long time that I've spent in this and it's a long time that I've really enjoyed it. I've enjoyed the conversations with people. I've enjoyed the back and forth with people having respectful disagreements with each other as well. I've learned things from those people. I've learned to become a better person from analyzing some of that information and being able to apply it to my skills,

my own personal development. But something changed and it happened around 2020. There was a crack in the fiber of human morals around about that time. I have faith in other people. I do still talk to people and I think I still have faith in humanity to be able to pull set of the quagmire. Yeah. All right, that's it for another episode of Canon Parodime. As always, if you're lucky here, like rate share, subscribe. Tell us that we're, what was the exact quote? A master class in outdated, dangerous dog training, misinformation. Yeah, you can leave that as a review if you want. Sing to that. If you want to support the show, the best way to do that is jump into Patreon. Huge backlog of information in there as well as new stuff going forward. I've put some really cool stuff in there, some stuff I'm really proud of. So there's really cool information. But you could pay as much as little as live streams, all that kind of stuff. Another way to support the show is spring, jumping the slow show notes and get yourself cool t-shirts, something like that. And to support me and Glenn directly, you can check out canine pseudicals again, links in the show notes, or you can jump into my school. If you jump onto the school platform, search serious dog business, that's how, where I'm at

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