Ep 189 | Elden Henson Calms Da Pod Down!!!

0:00Well, geez, I thought we were gonna talk about some lighthearted, stupid stuff. But we got it. This is like a deeper podcast. And that's another thing that I really love about what we do here is that when we have, you know, special people in studio, it dictates the tone. Oh, yeah. So your tone has changed our room today for the better. Yeah. And in a really cool way. And I really, really appreciate that. I'm so happy to see you. I know, man. No idea how happy I am seeing you, man. I know. It's so good. I know, dude. It's so weird that the store password was by so security. I couldn't believe it. What a queen in kidding. Can you streamline the story? It's boring. And then make an introduction. Go ahead, Matt. So you go to the store, you give me 10. And keep going. No, it was, yeah, give me the store password. I'm like, now make sure when you leave you change it. And I forgot to change it. And at four o'clock in the morning, it started. Twitter reset. Instagram reset. Gmail reset. So somebody had gone in with, because I have, you know,

1:02two-factor authentication for my phone number. And had gotten into the AT&T app and has started changing all my passwords and getting into all my accounts. So thank goodness I had an early morning. If I had slept in to like eight o'clock, I would have lost everything. But by six, I'd gotten up. And I was at least able to stop them from getting the most. I'm getting anything more than my Twitter, which didn't even really exist anymore. They got the one thing that didn't exist in three years. Anyway, welcome to the brother that loved POP today. If you're still here. We have a special guest in studio. I've known this guy, dude, I don't know, 27, 20, some on years. 2002 or something, right? So, okay, so 25, at least 25 years. Yeah. Which is absolutely, I think he came out in 2002. So, 2001. So, this is 26 years. Yeah, bro. This is insane. I love when this podcast bring back old friends into my life. And you are one of them. And we have to stay in touch from this point forward. Definitely. Because I was telling them earlier,

2:03they gave me the option to do this like remote. Where would I find out? I was like, I am making Matt hang out with me. No, dude, I'm not going to get out of it. I was so happy to hear that you wanted to come in studio. Because it's just so much better. Zoom is it's a whole different vibe. And yes, and then we're actually in person. We get to hang out. And you most likely, I wouldn't have gotten to work. I know. I know. I know. I know. That's our generation, right? The kids run circles around. As you were saying, you have a kid. And we held it hands in everybody for goodness sake. I do. He's 12. And I was relating to the story. Because he just got his first phone. Oh, right. Which is like, that's when my older one's got there first. About 12, 13. And wow. Yeah, it's funny. Because we were like, when your friend Nico gets a phone. Because he usually, his parents are usually a little bit more strict. And they have a phone where like, why did Nico's parents kid? Damn you, those parents. But yeah, it's, it's, I was telling him also that why I showed him, at least I don't know, maybe half of the movie that we did together.

3:05And so much of the stuff, there's like a bit with a pager. Oh my god. And it's like all this writing. It's just like it was so unrelatable. So dating, you know. He's crazy. He's crazy. He's crazy. What is this? So homing pigeons. He used them back in high school. Speaking of this movie, now I still don't know what the name is. Because they have changed it so many times. Is it cheats? I don't know. Cheaters. It said cheaters on IMDB. That's a lot of stuff. That's a lot of stuff. Right? There was something going on with, because there was another movie that had that title. Anyway, we did a movie and we shot in Canada. Thank you for. Vancouver. And that was, for me, that was the first time that I was really let loose on a set. Dude, and I was a loose Canada. Well, and I was out of control. We had quite the experience. It was truly one of those stories that you hear about. The producers, the way they handled us and stuff,

4:06dude, it was insane. Now looking back on it. Yeah, what's crazy too is that at the time I remember thinking they were so much older than us, but they really weren't. No. They weren't that much older. No, like older you guys. Early 20s? Yeah, early 20s, late teens, depending on which part of the cast you were. Yeah, it's it's spanned from like, I'd say like 19 to two. Was it the director's name Andrew? Andrew Garland. Yeah, girl. Yeah, girl. Yeah. Yeah, he had done this HBO documentary that got a lot of heat. And so, HBO, whatever movie company, what do you remember? Movie company was. Maybe HBO, I think. We're talking about the frat thing. The frat thing. Yeah, I think it was HBO. Yeah, and then so the studio decided to give him a shot to make a movie. And this movie was like, it was one of those ones when it came down through the breakdown. Every young actor wanted to be a part of this movie. Do you remember that? Like it was funny, man. It was a good script. It was a good script. And they were talking about it and talking about everybody. And I remember having to go like, you know, three or four times through the whole ringer to get it, you know, and then the cast was awesome.

5:09I mean, we had a really good time. It was such a good time. And we had an amazing time to get it. I just ran into Martin, not that long. Really? Martin Star? Yeah, Martin, you know, that's my brother, date and we stayed close for a long time. And I mean, we still are, but it's like, you know, you, of course, life's my rate. And you know, it's tough. And it's just, you know, and that. My best friends were lucky if we talk honest to God, like once every two months, three months. Yeah. Lucky if we talk, let them each other. Yeah. I mean, we're all, you know, with great friends, you could see them six months later a year later. It's like no time has passed. Yeah. But once you get busy with family and kids, man, it just, you go into this like, this abyss where it just sort of time evades. Right? It really does. No, it really doesn't. It really doesn't. Anyway, go ahead, sorry. So anyways, I was in New York shooting like some, like Daredevil flashback. I remember. And I was, I just was like, I don't know, I was having a ton of anxiety, you know, and I was like, I'm going to go down to the gym and work out. And I was like running and, too, it was like two o'clock in the morning or something, you know?

6:11And all of a sudden, in Martin, walks into the gym. No way. We live. Yeah. And like they just happened to like go, they just gotten in, they just happened to go down there because she like was going to work out in the morning wanting to see where it is and stuff. And it was really like talking. We give each other a hug and we're like wrapping or whatever. I'd work in the morning so I was like, I'm going to head up. And so we went up and they elevated together and I was like, what floor you want? Is I go the same floor? And we get off in the same foot, but we were staying in the, our rooms were right next to each other. That is so weird. On the same fucking floor. Wow. How crazy is that? That is crazy. How is this crazy? I was just like, man, what a beautiful thing, dude. I just love that kind of stuff, you know? You know? Boy, Martin, huh? Man, that was to see his evolution has been, he's incredible in movie. I watched something the last night and like, he's performance is incredible. Dude, you're incredible at it, too. I know. I've been funny. He is in that movie. Yeah, I mean, yeah. I've not actually seen cheaters. I don't think, I think I saw excerpts of it. I don't think we ever watched the full movie. Did it come out? It came out in the theaters, right?

7:11I know, don't you, my son just asked me this same thing. I was like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I might have been just like a straight C-D-V-D thing. Maybe. Well, all I know is that I remember that it was highly anticipated and they put together a great cast and then something happened and it didn't, I remember just because I was a little older, that there was some sort of political entanglement with the project. Either somebody soured on somebody, the director maybe got no fight with the studio about his cut. I don't know what happened, but. Yeah, he made a joke is actually what. Did he? Okay, do you remember? Wait, wait, wait. No, wait, tell me this. What happened? But all I know is that somebody shelved like, what about the fun of that one? The penalty was that, you know what? We're not doing theatrical. It's going straight to the cable or whatever it was at the time. It's time, you know. I don't know if you remember this, but. So it was a new line movie. Okay, new line. And Andrew's wife, I think maybe worked for new line. And during the like promotional stuff for. I remember the wedding singer, they actually did like a wedding and Andrew and his wife got married at that wedding.

8:11Like. And so I guess it was some years later. I mean, this happened so long ago. I don't think it would mind me telling a story. But so anyways, he is in a meeting with whoever I can blank in his name was running new line at the time. And Andrew says something like, well, you know you, my wife and I were the ones that got married at that thing. And you know, like, you know, thanks for paying for our wedding. And the guy says, well, my daughter's getting married soon. Why don't you pay for her wedding? And Andrew goes, how about I pay for it? I pay for the abortion. And it did not go over well. And apparently they cut like, it took away like a few million dollars before we started shooting. And so like going in, it was already one of those things where like, we were kind of hanging on by the skin of our teeth. Oh, my goodness. It was something. And then that whole storyline with you and Martin, where you just like, yeah, it's driving to the point where he has like a stroke or something.

9:13Right? I think people just kind of thought like that wasn't like the comedy wasn't there. But I don't know, dude, like I, dude, I love stuff that like when people take it seriously, it's funnier to me. And then so I think just all of those things. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I'm still I'm not remembering that there was a joke that didn't fly. I do. And if you know Andrew, like he's, yeah, he's a sweet guy. Because just one of those people that like loves to say the most wrong thing at that time. That's definitely what I mean. And back then, like people were not as offended. Right. Yeah. No, it's true. We went into the offensives, the offended of everything. And maybe I think we're maybe hopefully coming out of it a little bit. I've been watching some of these roasts. And whether you know, you agree with them or not, I just appreciate that at the top Brady Rose and Kevin Hart roast that you can, it's like old school going back to making fun of the people that are that are there. And I know people who love it. Ooh. And that's like Joe. Yeah. I'm curious how many shoes sides on that one, buddy. Turns out not only people, a lot of people like those.

10:13Well, a lot of people watch them. So at the end of the day, sometimes you're not going to like comedy. Sometimes you are going to like it. Sometimes you'll find it really funny. Other times you'll find it really offensive. At the end of the day, I've actually listed a couple of the great comics that said, it's my job to be offensive, actually. Yeah. And if you laugh at it, great. And if you don't, I don't care. Right. All the great Sebastian says it. I mean, we know Dave Chappelle says it. I mean, and back in the day, it was prior in Carlin and Eddie Murphy. They were all highly offensive at times. Yeah. To certain people. But at the end of the day, if you could sit into a room and start it with the Dean Martin celebrity roast and back with Don Rickles, you could laugh. There were certain people that were like, oh my god, other people were laughing their asses off. That's just comedy, man. It's very subjective. That's why comedy, I believe, is harder than drama because collectively to universally make people laugh is much harder because there are so many different sex of what people find funny and what they find offensive. And that line, I believe, is where comedy lives. And that's why it's tough. Yeah. Well, like people get it, like offended some of the things that Chappelle said, but I tell

11:16you what, dude, every time I watch one of those things, like, I like makes me think, bro. Makes me think, you know, and that's what great comics do. Of course, Carlin did it. I mean, Jordan Carlin was the first master of it. His rant to this day, absolutely still have really incredible and he would make, if you go back and watch some of his old stuff, he would actually make referendums on society and where he thinks it's going. Bro, he was like a dead on. Dead on. Like the Zoltar from Bing. I mean, you're like, this guy should be in a machine. You're just asking questions, you know what I mean? Because honestly, like, you're like, oh my god. And you would be laughing, you would be laughing your ass off at some things. But other things to your point, you'd be sitting there going like, and you giggle here and there as he made things funny, but at the end of you're like, oh my god. I never thought of it that way. He's absolutely right. I don't think that's what comedy is supposed to do a lot of the time. So the people that offended at the Kevin Hart Roaster, I don't give it. There was a lot of funny stuff and there were people there that were laughing at themselves and they were, everybody was fair game. And that's my favorite brand of comedy when everybody is treated the same.

12:16You're all fair. It doesn't matter where you come from, what your life is like, everybody's fair game. That to me is where comedy is the best. As long as it's a good joke. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Bad joke. Well, yeah. And there were some clinkers in there, believe me. But customary for those roasts for the comedians to roast the other comedians. I always thought it was supposed to be focused on the on the on the guy that they're roasts a lot, but they're really they throw a lot of heat back and forth. Martin Martin did it the best when he had it set up where it was like if it was for instance, like like at the time was the governor of California, Ronald Reagan. And everybody would come up and just roast Reagan and they didn't really roast each other, but it's changed. They roast each other now a lot. You know, when they introduced them, they roast them. I mean, before the next person passed the sun, we should do it. We should do a brother's roast. Oh, God. We mean we'll take on basically what this podcast is. Now we'll take on Jonas and the Baldwin's and the Hansons. Yeah.

13:16We'd have a field. They were those guys. Yeah. Got it. Yeah. Do you have siblings? I do. Yeah. I'm a brother and a younger brother. You're the middle child. Of course. Why do you think we're we see eye to eye? Oh, boy. Amazing. By the way, I was telling them. I think the last time I saw you guys we were in McAllen. McAllen Texas. Right? Remember? Oh, yeah. I remember after I was a weird one. I called AJ, who's the guy, one of the producers on the movie metal. Oh, yeah. Of course. And I was like, dude, you have to do a reality show with these brothers. I'm actually non-stop comedy with a three of them, too. Yeah. And so that was why I was so happy to see you guys out of this podcast. Yeah. Really like seeing what it's like being around you guys just in our normal life. Yeah. So yeah. We really do go after each other, take the piss out of each other quite a bit. It's kind of the way it is. But you guys, I can tell you guys also give them up each other after. Of course. That's one of the things that like why we maybe became close was just I could see that

14:17like, you know, that real closeness with the brothers. Yeah. Yeah. It's authentic. You know, they're a big part of why I'm still in LA and why I'm still, you know, kicking around doing this stuff for sure. Otherwise, I probably I probably have disappeared into a jungle somewhere a long time ago. That sounds pretty good. Yeah. I love it. I love it so much. Building cuts out of mud, surviving off of small wood. I like you. You're appearing to a yacht somewhere. I don't know what the gun is. With a staff, a staff, a breakfast. And you know, you can do both. Not really. You can. I don't want the jungle, man. I like it. I don't want to go live in it. No. It's not my cup of tea. It looks like the concrete jungle. I actually like a cup of tea. Nice cup of tea with a biscuit. It's awesome, man. I mean, it's weird. I find that it's the only time lately where I can find that sort of inner peace like the terminal goes down. I don't know why, but whenever I'm not in nature, it's like my anxiety level is just

15:20up high. I don't know what it is. The anxiety levels are high. It's a society today, right? Everybody's anxious. I feel too. When you were like, I woke up, I was anxious. Dude, I do that a couple of times a night. Honestly, you're a mess. You're a mess. You're a mess. You're rather a nice way of mind just races. You can't stop it from racing. And then you wake up, you're like, boom, boom, boom, boom. What the hell? But you know, it's just like, it is life, man. It isn't journey of life. You know, you said you have one, Charles? I have one. Well, yeah, I have one. I have another one, but it's a little bit of a scary situation with the mom. So, but I mean, hopefully, you know, hopefully, I don't get to see her, but hopefully that'll change. Got it. Damn, man. Yeah, I have one. He's 12 and he's awesome. He was like, dude, you got to give me a shout out. Of course. So, anyways, Dodger. Dodger. You're a man. Dodger. I am a Dodger. I'm a Dodger.

16:20And you know, it's funny. It wasn't. It wasn't that I, we actually had like a few names picked out. And I don't know. You have kids, yeah. Or do you have, you guys have kids? No. Well, you know, like everybody wants to know, like, that's the first question. I know. I know. And so I just started like saying different things. Yeah. And then I started saying Dodger and people were like, you cannot name him that. And then like more people said, really? It was like, it's awesome. Yeah. We're actually going to name him. I want to say like Oliver or something like that. And then the Oliver and Dodger. So now I'm thinking like, is it from Oliver Twist? Because you know, I didn't animate a movie called Oliver, right? Oliver and company. And it's had this resurgence. Like it was one of the first ones that kind of rebranded Disney animation before it was almost dead in the 80s. And Billy Joel was in it, that Miller and I was people. And it's become beloved, right? And it's actually a great movie. He who he listed all the music. I mean, it's unbelievable. Oh, that's awesome. It's unbelievable. I played Oliver the cat and it's the story of Oliver Twist. And Billy Joel played Dodger.

17:21Oh, right. So when you said Dodger, I was like, okay, but maybe more of this. No, Joe, it's not from your movie. Hold on. There's my movies based off of Oliver Twist, which is an adaptation of you. You big Oliver. I was like, no, no, it wasn't an amazing movie. I was like, oh my god, wait a minute. Is it the movie? Because that is just another interesting thing here. Joe has a son named Ford. If you shorten and give Dodger the dodge, we got a dodge in a Ford. Oh, wow. Dodger in a Ford. Anyway, so you were going to do Oliver, but you did Dodger. Yeah, you were throwing Oliver. Yeah, we just started liking it. I think Dodger's great now. Yeah, dude, and he's awesome, man. I'm so lucky. I am so lucky. Because somebody's been meeting other people's kids and you're like, dude, that's rough. But he's so cool. And he's like kids are brutal. Yeah, he's smart. He's like, it's great. You know, I mean, he has the normal like 12 year old stuff, but like, you know, we do a lot of wrestling and like, you know, that's cool.

18:21Playing sports and yeah, it's fun, man. That's amazing. And he's starting to get into movies too. That's cool. He's taking like a film appreciation class. Oh, really? Yeah, so like, now we've been like talking movies and of course I'm in heaven. Yeah, 11, 12, 13 were like some like greatest years in school ever. 6, 17th grade. Oh my god. I think the best, bro, because then in high school, you're really like, then it becomes it clicks and yeah, that kind of stuff grades the pressure of what I'm going to do. What if I'm going to go to college, it just gets nuts from that middle school, the middle school. Well, you know, I was thinking about it because and I'm sure you guys felt a little bit like this too. There was, you know, we were worrying about work and school and all these things and like, you know, you doing 20 minutes of school at a time. Anyway, at one point I asked him, I said, you know, like, what's your biggest fear right now? And he's like, you know, what's your biggest worry? I said, and he's like, gosh, just like, you know, school's hard. There's a lot of homework and I just was like, man, awesome.

19:25That's like exactly where you should be. You know what I mean? And just like, knowing that he doesn't have the like weight of like, oh, I got to get a job and I got, you know what I mean? And it's just like, I mean, for me, I mean, other kids maybe were better with that kind of stuff, but no, it's that stuff. I still have like issues with things I have all sort of collitis. I swear to God. And I might as me dying those from stress. Yeah. Why are you so stressed? Well, I've been stressed since I've been three years old really. You know, you don't feel it. I started when I was five, right? I mean, the conditioning started with us four. I mean, you know, tap dancing and singing and doing all these things. You know, I loved it, but you know, there is a pressure there. A massive amount of pressure. You don't even realize it. Actually, I think you realize it less when you really love it because I was never like forced to do it, but I was, but you know, there was a level of excellence that was required especially when I was coming up in the early 80s. There was a level of accidents like you wouldn't work unless you were excellent. You couldn't work if you were just kind of like half-assing it. It was that way for a long time.

20:25Yeah. Somewhere in the like mid 2000s, it started to take a turn. But really, you had to be a master of the craft and fight for your opportunities, you know? I mean, I was just standing in line and making it happen. Just without even knowing it or being aware of it, you know, you've been under pressure since you were, well, since I was five, you know, and I know, and that definitely takes its toll on you. I'm 100%. Absolutely, dude. I have bouts of anxiety all the time. Yeah. Literally. And just worries about things, you know, and then life. And then, you know, I have two older children, two younger children. So that, you know, caused me great. Just worry only because I just want to make sure that, you know, I provide for both. And they're both of them, both sets of my beautiful kids are different places in their life. So all of that is, is just very hard to manage, you know, because I have, I have almost 21 year old that's in her junior year at college and the, and the expenditures are astronomical to take care of that. And, and then I have, you know, my almost 17 year old who is driving and there is a car that need to be, you know, taking care of it. Car insurance. And we're all in this state.

21:27It's brutal, man. You know, and yet, and yet the car came like, we going on it together because she has a job and I'm so proud of her. So we work on that, but, but, you know, the insurance is, it's crazy. The expenditures for a cheap little car. I mean, it's ridiculous, right? I mean, so, and then, and then you have these two little ones. I have a three and a half year old. I have three girls. I have 20, almost 21, almost 17 and, and, and three and two thirds as Dilly says. And then, and then I have a six month old son forward. So, you know, it's just the gamut. I'm looking at this little guy going like, who already he and I have this little thing, you know, because I feel like it's a guy guy thing, which is cool. You know, I haven't had that because it's been little girls and that's a whole beautiful thing too. But, you know, I'm looking at him and he likes to already like just be a little rough for just a little bit, you know, and I'm thinking, my gosh, when you're my, when you're Charlie's age, you're my oldest daughter, like I'm going to be almost 70. Like it's crazy. Bro. Hey, you know, bro, and it goes so fast. How old are you? I'm, I'm 49.

22:27Okay. So I just turned 50. Bro. It's crazy. Right? It is crazy. Well, it's crazy. Yeah. Sorry, I had to hesitate because this is embarrassing, but like I thought I had already turned 49. Oh my God. So when I turned 49 in August and I found out that I wasn't 50, I was only 49. I was like, I'm like, Benjamin. This is the crazy backwards. Well, it's certainly not what he used to be. I'll say that. No, it's not. Look at you two guys. Look at pictures of guys that were 50, basically 49, 50, 25 years ago. Bro, these dudes looked old. Yeah. I mean, they look old. Well, the cast, the cast of cheers are in the early 30s and they all looked like they were, you know, all of the, I was like 31 years old. Yeah. Yeah. Wait. What about Archie Bunker? Yeah. Archie Bunker, bro, when he started the show Archie Bunker, all in the family. Okay. It was 46. And he was like the old guy. So you're talking like when I'm, when we were watching reruns of that show, he was

23:28your age in my age. Like in a three years in. I feel like he was literally 49, 50 and he was only in his mid 50s for the entire day of the show. I think about that. He started 46 around for like 11 years. He was only like 57 at the end. Wow. He's like a whole man. Oh, though, though. You know, so it really has changed. But chronologically, you do still feel like, wow, I might have lived the most of my life already. I don't know. I hope not. I know. You don't know. You don't know. That actually causes the stress, which then causes the aging, of course. You know, and the biggest thing is what's happening inside, right? Despite how you look and ask because you look very young, but you know, you don't, but you don't, but you don't, but you don't, but you don't. I can't still. You don't. You got the inside. You just don't know. You know, you're sort of doing the right thing. Yeah. But, you know, you try to do all the right things, but you get into your forties and I mean, especially, you're old. My body starts to like you start to, and dude, I think everything is an issue, right? Like if thing doesn't work right, I go, my God, what the hell is, you know, it must be a systemic problem.

24:29You know, that's just my life, man. I asked you this because this is something that hit me. I was, I feel like I was pretty outside of the things that we've discussed, like the anxiety and things from being, you know, working since we were young and all that, but I feel like I was pretty lucky up until about 41, 42. What's going on? That's wild. That's 30 in the 80s. Yes. That's 30 now. Is that unbelievable? That's wild. Yeah. Well, that is Timothy. It's Shalamay is a real young looking guy. Oh, my gosh. I'm just like a little baby. But I don't know if you felt this, but like I hit like, I was really, I was coasting. I was feeling good, but about 42, 43 and I acrested. And then I can just tell my body isn't turning over new cells like it used to. Right. I don't know. I don't know. Can you reach that yet? Yeah. Definitely. For sure. Yeah. But also like, you know, the last over the last, I mean, I'm probably, it mostly started when I was going to have daughter because like, you know, when I was younger man, I was a wild man. You were, dude.

25:30I was nuts. And like, you know, there was all these things like my dad wasn't around. I didn't know what it meant to be a father or what that even looks like. And like, I knew that like I needed to like change some things. And so like I did great generational question. I went to like a place I got can off of everything. Yeah. And that started like an intense, I don't know, like four or five years of like therapy and like just like working on it. And now like, you know, I got diagnosed with like a, I was laugh because they wrote on the thing at severe anxiety disorder. And I was like, all right, take me to the capitals on your line. And then you know, depression and PTSD. And I had some like gnarly, not so great things happened when I was a kid. And you know, I did all the things. And the most incredible thing about all of that stuff. It was just that like through doing all that stuff and sort of like going back and like evaluating all these things, like it's, I feel like it's made me such a better dad. Yeah.

26:31And it's given me like a language to be able to like talk to him and help him work through things that like I don't think I've ever would have had. And in like a weird way, the more I like dove into like instead of trying to like give him what he needed or what I what I needed that I didn't have when I was a kid, I just like focused on like what he needed. And then that just kind of like, I don't know man, it was like really healing in a lot of ways. So just like, you know, all of my own things, you know, and like now I love it like his friends mom hit me up the other day was like, can you bring Nico home and I'll just come get him from you later. And I was like, yeah, I was like, this is that. Yeah, dude, this is awesome. This is what it's about. And I love it, dude. I love that stuff because it makes me feel normal. And like, I mean, I'm sure you guys feel this way too. It's like there was never any normalcy ever, you know, and like I often wanted some normal cy. Yeah. That's awesome. Well, that's awesome. I think one of the most important things you say was that you realize that you that you

27:32have learned to give him what he needs. Yeah. Not necessarily what you think or as an overcompensation of what you didn't have. And I was my parents. Well, that's brilliant because so many times his parents and I feel like a lot of the reasons why a lot of these kids today, you know, are in the situation right now is because every generation feels guilt about something they didn't have and wants to give to their kids. So you come out of the greatest generation, right, the World War II, like my grandparents and stuff. And they went through the great depression. They had they literally had nothing, right? So, but they were an incredible group of people that persevered, were never victims, just challenged themselves, got better, picked up their pants by their boots, you know, take all that stuff. But what they wanted to do is they didn't want their kids to feel that pain and hurt. So they were a very giving, you know, group of parents to their kids. And I feel like that bred us slightly like softer group of young people because they didn't have all of, you know, they didn't have any of the struggles and their parents were so rid with like, my kid is never going to struggle like this, that, you know, give, give,

28:34give, give. And then they become, you know, it led, it gave way to a whole group of that were like, we want this. We need this, we're owed this, you know, and every, it's generational comes and goes like that. But if you focus, it's a long winded, but if you focus on what your kid actually needs, not what you didn't have, it's so brilliant because then you can be there for them the way that you need to be and not with guilt that you're projecting on them for what you didn't have. You know, and also just like, you know, there are some things that I'm never going to be good at as a father. Oh, right. And there's other things that I feel like I excel at, you know, and I'm not afraid to to be honest and open about those things with him. It's great. You know, hey, dude, I'm really proud of you, man. Thanks for just sitting there. Well, and it was the whole thing. I think it was because that also led into the like health stuff. Yeah. And then I had a weird kind of, uh, scared, well, not kind of, it was kind of scary. I, at the end of last year, actually almost around this time last year, I was, I did. What? Yeah, I was like having, uh, trouble breathing.

29:36Like I had never been like more aware of like my health and, yeah, and I just, I, I had no energy. I was gaining all this weight. And, uh, I also just felt like I couldn't think, dude. Anyway, as long story short, I, uh, I ended up calling my mom and she took me to the hospital and I ended up being an intensive care for like four or five days. Turns out the apartment I was living in was like full of mold. Oh, yeah. And it was like, no way. No way. So bad, dude. It was so in bad. Holy, as it was, there was like this tremendous relief of like finally knowing, because I, I certainly lose my mind, man. I understand exactly what you want. I mean, like, I, brother, there's nothing wrong with him, man. I know. What do you, you know, and so, no, I know exactly where you are. I, I've been so frustrated lately. I've been to every specialist, every doc you can think of. Don't give me any answers, man. Nothing. And it's like, that is almost the worst part about it. At this point, I'm so far into it. I'm like, I don't care what the news is. Any news would be good news right now, because at least I would know what I could focus

30:36on to fix it. Like it's been driving me insane. Yeah. Insane. And I've had the exact opposite of you. I've had where I am losing weight, can't figure out why. And I, my body isn't processing food properly. And I just don't know why. Something's going on with my digestive system. And I literally, I cannot know one. I mean, I've even had like MRIs and CT scans and like,oscopies andoscopies. And no one can figure out what the heck it is. I don't do theoscopies. Yeah. I can relate as well, because I also was a... Look at that, so old man. I was meant to be going to hell. Yeah, I'm a, I mean, I'm still a bit of youth on my, I'm only 38, but... Vastard. Which is crazy. Because it's like that young, but I still feel a bit young. But I was, you know, I lived, I lived life in the fast lane for sure through my teens in 20s. I was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis and all this stuff. And there's not really any like cure. So I became very aware of my health.

31:38I cut every bad habit out except coffee, which is the next thing to go. But I still drink caffeine. No, the coffee is arguably not bad. But for me, I don't want it. It upsets my stomach so bad. But I still, I drink way too much coffee. And we lost the succulent. Exercise, eat really healthy. Huge just kind of reinventing myself and how I handle things and approach stuff. And it's definitely helped. I spend like every morning, I like spend time working on like mental health stuff. Oh yeah, you have to. You have to. And it's like it makes such a big difference, you know? And like I don't want to like pass on that like stress and anxiety, you know? Because I remember being young and feeling that stress and anxiety type of trauma. You know, 100% dude. Pass that stuff on. And that I think, I think is a big thing that I think, you know, parents miss is that kids are so. There's that. Bunges, bro. So perceptive of every little thing. You, you're, you're, as a parent, you're not hiding anything. No, you're not. You're really not. And that is, that's a big deal. And I remember feeling that as well, man.

32:40And, but yeah, dude, I'm, I'm really proud to hear you say that. And I love hearing the, and seeing the joy come across you when you talk about your son. That's awesome. And I've got a thing about, I've, I've got a little sore spot about that because I do want to be a father and I'm getting a little long in the tooth. It's a good old expression there. And I don't. And so, because I feel, I, I feel you know, and I've always heard this too, that, you know, a man really doesn't become a man until he has a child. There's just something in the brain that clicks that when you don't have children, you can't even quite perceive what that change is. But there's a real metaphysical change in the brain when you have a child. And that is, for me, I felt like there was a relief in going from like number one to like number two on the priority list. Heck yeah. You know, where it was like, all right, I can stop obsessing about all the perceived problems that I have and just focus on this person and making sure that they're, you know, in

33:41the beginning, it's like, you're just trying to keep them alive. You know, you know, what you're doing and every little thing, you're like, you know, calling somebody and, you know, so it's like, yeah, I don't know, man, it's, it's, it's been one of the great joys of my life. That's awesome. I can tell. It's been also like incredibly healing for like all the like stuff from my childhood and like, and I'm lucky, dude, I'm really, really lucky because he's, he's awesome. Yeah. You know, and it's great. Yeah, I don't know. I, yeah, he's a good kid, man. It's awesome. It's really cool, dude. And it's cool because he's kind of like before he didn't really give you shit. Like, look, do your kids, are they aware of like how massive of a star you were from like a really young age? I mean, you guys aren't even aware, but we're closer and age like, yeah, we're massive star. It's crazy, like, I don't know if you guys remember, man, it would, I do, I do, I do, I do. I do. I do mainly, you know, the things that would catch me off guard is sometimes we'd go

34:44in public and he, we'd have to score him out of places just because too many people were freaking out. You're holding life. Like, it's like your whole life. Yeah, if you've been, it's been a weird, it's been a weird, how do they handle it? You know, it's funny. The older ones were sort of born in sort of like a down part of my career. So I was able to be around a lot and doing weird things. That was when the business started to change a lot too. So, you know, it was like in between, it was right after American dreams was over and then I was, I did dancing with the stars. That was big, but it was like, they weren't really, they were little, little, little. And it's interesting, I just want to point this out is that dancing with the stars back then was huge. But once you did that, there was that ridiculous, the people who are in charge back then, you know, if you were to TV, you couldn't be in film. Oh, yeah. You know, all that crap that used to go on. And if you did this, you couldn't do that. And dancing with the stars was perceived in that year, even though it was getting super ball ratings. Once you did that, well, then you could go into hosting and do it, but I don't know if

35:47it was a powerful cast, you as an actor again, you know what I mean? Right, right, right. Was that era? Yeah. So, anyway, my, I know, then I did that. And then after that, it was like, you know, so I did most enjoy for like six years too, but it was, it was, it was not for them, it was for Orange, you know. So not really, it's weird because with social media and stuff, they see it now, I took them to Disneyland not too long ago and they were seeing the reaction of people like, there were some, you know, people that are probably like 35, where they were freaking out, you know, their parents were freaking out. And they had not really seen that. So like it was so funny to see like my 17 was like, whoa, dad. It is the first time I was like, oh, yeah, whoa, yeah, there it is. Thanks. But, you know, it was, it was really, that was the first time they've very rarely seen it because they were just sheltered a lot from that. I kept them sort of out of the public eye. Yeah, you get a very good job of, you know, keeping them. It was a totally different era. And yeah, and with the young ones, I don't know. I mean, Dylan, Dylan knows because, you know, we have to do some of these silly videos, right? So she'll see some of those and go, you can make another video, you're going to go to

36:49work today, you know. So there's that, which is so funny. It's so weird. It's so weird. I know. She knows about the podcast because, you know, I tell I have to go podcast and welcome out and Andy. And so, you know, there's an awareness, but no, they don't understand. I want to, I try to tell. They never see, because like, dude, for me, like, and sorry, I don't mean to put you on a spot, but like the, like blossom, that was so big. Not only that, but that character that you played inspired so many other, I know I heard it's crazy. Like, you know, do you feel like do you feel that? Like you feel proud of that? It's cool, you know, I mean, I think it's awesome. Yeah. Look, man, I was about a year and a half ago, I ran into Bradley Cooper at the entertainment weekly Oscar party and his mom was with him. Believe it or not. And he came up to me and he said, bro, I just want to tell you something, man. He literally inspired me. No joke. I was like, what? He never would have done it unless Joey launched. I guess because he lived about, we both lived in Abington, Pennsylvania.

37:50Yeah, it's true. And he went to the public school, Abington High, and I went to Abington, French was the private school. And he said that, that literally, that me succeeding gave him, because he always wanted to do it, but he also played sports. It was a big Eagles fan, and he had a lot of pressure to follow that because he was good at baseball. And he wanted to follow that, but he said that seeing me succeed made it cool enough to where he didn't get his ass kicked for actually pursuing acting. Because I got my ass kicked a couple of times. You know, you do. I got thrown in a couple of trash cans and stuff, you know, for being famous and stuff, you know, even at my private school, you know. But yeah, so stuff like that is cool. When I, when I, when I know that like the character on friends, Joey Tribion, he was literally based off of Joey Russo, like they changed the name of the character because the head of NBC said, I love all these characters, but what I want is I want a 25 year old version of this character because he's so popular on, on blossom. And they had Matt LaBlanque in our studio audience on camera block days, taking notes on a yellow memo pad on how to play it because yes, because I remember that he wanted it played innocently.

38:50And the only way you could be like a womanized like in love with women is if you're innocent. You can get away with a lot more than if you're like, letharist, right? And I was just doing that instinctively because I'm not that guy, but also because I was young. I was like 13 14 15, right? So he said there's a fine line. You can get it with characters like this, like John Travolta's, you know, Vinny Barberino, welcome back, Carter, you can get away with that with so much. If you're innocent, you don't realize what you're doing. I'm like, oh, that's so beautiful. You know, great. You know, I, I mean, I was able to say things on, on that show that and just instinctively, I played it that way. So things like that, when I run into Matt and he tells me that, like that's cool. Like I don't put it in perspective like that until I see things like that. You know, you don't realize, but it was an amazing 10 years. I mean, you know, I couldn't go anywhere in the world. It was pretty crazy. You know, and then, you know, the other side is that, you don't chase that, but you go, like, you know, I've had those that career where you have to fight for everything. I never just roll, you know, and I talk about it with no district.

39:53Well, like somebody like David Boreonis, this, this guy can just roll from one show. I love it. Joe's got this thing for David Boreonis. I don't know what I do have to think. It's not a thing. What it is is, is, you know, you never put yourself in somebody else's place. You never want to replace somebody that's their flowers. You want your flowers to them, should you feel like you just want to continue to work. You want to continue to do what you know you're good at, right? So, but there are some, there are some people in our industry that literally can just consecutively roll from one project to the next. And you talk about anxiety and stress. That's where most of my income from is just inconsistency. Cause I'm a big consistency guy, right? With my fitness, with my health, I love regiments. Because I feel like there were so many elements of life that were out of control, growing up being super famous like that and not really knowing what this all meant and how much pressure it put on you. But the things I could control, I felt like, oh, I'm going to really control them. So like organization and like my fitness routine and my regiment myself being highly critical,

40:54things like that. It's like control. And that's the therapy. I figured that out too. But you know, so when you see that, I feel like what I'm drawn to is a consistency. I love it. He's able to just literally go from one job to the next. My career, not like that. Yeah. I have literally super highs, massive lows, and then have to fight to get something going. And just that's been my journey. So I use all these plans. I wanted to do things in my 30s and 40s that I pray about every day that hopefully my 50s will allow me to finally do them. I don't know, but I'm thinking this decade is going to be my best because it has to. There's a lot of things that I have to accomplish. Yeah. That's it. I'm with you, Joe. Do you guys know who Ramdass is? He's he passed away some time ago, but he's like a spiritual leader. He was like a professor at Harvard and kind of like decided he didn't want any of that kind of stuff. And anyways, he's been just like one of those people for me that I like. I always go to and got all these great quotes and stuff.

41:54And I was just listening to him the other day and he's talking about like attachments and getting rid of attachments and stuff. And I was like thinking about how like I had all these attachments to like how my career was supposed to be or how I thought it was going to be. And you know, was I working not working enough or you know, should I have not done this job or not? You know, all right. All that silly stuff would you be? And it's like I spend so much time worrying about all that stuff. And then like recently I had just kind of this stuff. I was like, man, like I've been so lucky. So lucky. And I spent the whole time worrying about like all the jobs that I didn't get, man. And it's like I didn't ever stop and go, man, this is like how lucky was I? And I don't know. I just recently I've been feeling like and maybe it's because we started as kids that feeling of like always having to work. I'm just been much better about just. And I think it also has to do with like I love being at home with my son. So I think like what I'm not working, it's like I feel like great. Like I'm happy to not be working in this time. And I don't know, man, I've just been like switching lately to this whole like,

42:59yeah, just like not getting caught up in like what I thought it should be. And just realizing that like I had the career that I was supposed to have. And probably I worked as much as probably I was capable of. Honestly, because I don't think I was I would ever have been an actor had I not been put into it at such a young age because I was never really like when I was young, I wasn't really like someone who liked it any extra like attention. But I loved being creative, you know, and so and I didn't know how to reconcile those things for a long time. And so now I'm just a little bit better like being like, no, I don't want to do that. You know what I mean? And it's not a ego thing and like sometimes sometimes people think it is and I'm okay with that now. Yeah. I don't feel like I have to convince people of anything like, you know, I just try to like do the best I can every day and like, dude, I love my job. But I also realized that like I like being creative in other ways, you know, and it's like a small part of my life, but an important one, you know, I think I'll always act.

44:02But I think more so recently I've been wanting to like do some other things, you know. Like what? Like what you're like, I've been really focusing like wanting to be in service of other people and, yeah, it's a big. I went to this place called the guest house, which was like just the most incredible experience of my life and I'm so grateful to the people there. And so I don't know like going in like volunteering time there. Yeah. And just like, you know, all the work that I put in like, you know, through therapy and the books and the, you know, all this stuff, you know. I've found that I, not only do I feel like I'm okay, right? Maybe even good at it, but I like talking to people and trying to help them work through. And I, and you know, just maybe something like that. I don't know. That's really cool. That's like, and your journey is your journey by the way. Yeah. Like when you look back on it, it is your journey. That's it, you know, like the ups and downs, the ins and outs, the beginning, the middle,

45:04the how it ends, that actually is already kind of laid out. You're just sort of, you're sort of stepping into it every day. My life has been like a just this beautiful series of peaks and valleys. That's it. You know, and, yeah. And it's tough when you're going through those valleys, right? Like you don't appreciate them until way later, right? Because that's like when you learn everything you need to learn. You need to learn how I write. You just can't have everything be hard-learning the good times. It's hard-learning the good times. I'm shadowing rainbows all the time, you know. No, you learn, you know, you're just like, no rain makes a desert. It's a little thing. And also too, you can never know what it's like to be at the top of the mountain if you've never been to the bottom of the valley. Right. And so maybe David Borreonis has been able to consistently, but I don't think he may know what either one or the other is. Or we just don't, you know, we don't know. Maybe he's got lots of peaks and valleys. Personally. I don't think so. I don't think so, Ed. I don't think so. I have no idea. And honestly, I would just use that as a reference of like, do you think?

46:04I'm just, it's a joke. You know, of course, but you look at these things and you're right. That is the journey because, you know, learning how to, you know, mitigate the damage that that will do, you know, just for my psyche is part of the journey. That's it, you know, and then, and you go, okay, okay, everything's always working out. And that's, it's working out the way it should. And that acceptance is part of the growth, you know. And you're always working on yourself. I still to this day, I'm a totally different parent now than I was 20 years ago. You know, I have this, I have a, I have a, I have a book ends, which is wild. I experienced it a day that kind of broke my brain. And I guess the point of it is just that like, you never know where you're going to find like some sort of inspiration, you know, so I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I was like scrolling through Instagram, you know, just like what the, you know, the doom scrolling around. I know. And I do the first thing in the morning. This kid, the worst. There's like, like a singer and like a K-pop band said this thing.

47:05And I kind of like, and I don't remember because I was just kind of flipping through. And it wasn't for like a few minutes later where I was like, what did she do? And so anyway, she, the girl's name is, I looked her up. Her name is Yoon Jin. She's in a, in a group name, I think I follow her. Okay. Wait, no, but this is so, so she's, I had to call my friend. My friend Quinn and ask her about this. She's like a K-pop expert. Anyways, uh, men the K-pop. And like she said that she, from what I understand, and I could be wrong about this, and it's not even really the point, but she, I was reading out of this book of like, like things that she would write down that she wanted to manifest. And she said, one of the things that she wanted to manifest, I guess, was to bring joy and help the people around them, around her grow. I was like, I can't believe, I gave that first. I was like, almost a little angry. I was like, how is it that this kid is more enlightened than me?

48:08And, because it's like a crazy thing to think about, you know, I've been sort of going down that road of like, you know, thinking about manifestation and all that kind of stuff. And I was always kind of like, I don't know what to, what that would look like, right? Like, it's not, I don't want money. I don't want to, it's not work. I mean, I didn't even never even thought about it like not being about me. And that's always what the answer is, right? Is it not about us or is that about me? It's about us, right? And that was just like the whole idea of that. And like terms of like, you know, manifesting something or, and because you know, a lot of people would be like, I'm trying to manifest money. But like, if you're trying to manifest money, that's not how the way it works, right? And just though, I don't know, just that perspective. And just like the, I mean, she's probably a little bit older than she looks. But still, I was just like, interlate 50. What? But I couldn't believe it. It's just like, in my brain for like, I don't know, like a good week. And I couldn't stop thinking about it.

49:09And it just, I don't know, I think as actors and stuff, we can get caught up in that trap of like, Oh, for sure. All of that, like, because you have to in some ways for the job be so like, introspective and thinking about yourself and, and you have to bear in your life. The self-awareness is almost unavoidable. You know, it really is. I mean, it's what you do. You know, our product is us. I mean, it is about examining how you feel about something, because that's how you portray a character. Yeah. I mean, it is weird, you know? Yeah. Another expression, if you chase money, it'll run. It's just the way it goes. But you know, and anytime I, any time I, or expression, you're going to have to write. I'm going to go. It's a table. Any, any, any time I've ever run into a trouble with myself mentally, whatever it is. And anything I've ever done when it comes to trying to fix that, whether it's reading philosophers or therapy or religion, there's always a unifying theme.

50:11And you just really nailed it. That is it's, it's not about you. Yeah. It's about what can you do for the people around you? That has a, there's a duality to that too. Not only does it then give you inner peace. Yeah. But then also it gives your legacy an eternal, ever-lasting experience, because all that will be left is how you treated the people that you love and the people around you. That's what all that will matter. There's no money. There's nothing that will matter at the end of the day. That is really true. And it's so simple. That is your legacy. To like, to bring joy and help people around you grow. That's it, man. And it's like if everyone- That is the key to live their life like that. Oh, that's right. Imagine what this world would be like. Yeah. I was like so impressed. I mean, I don't know much about this young lady, but I was like, wow. I know I was- I might even gotten a little bit wrong, but anyways, that's what was in, yeah. What you told me- Yeah, I wish I would have known that a long time ago. Me too. I know. That's exactly what I thought.

51:11I was like, I wish I knew that when I was her age. And these- But these are the things now and how cool is this? These are the things now that you get to pass on to your son. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And maybe this knowledge that you've come across will prevent him from going through some of the things that you- Dude, I do all- He's- I- All the time, I'll like tell him things to- It's just like rolling his eyes. And I'm like, dude, go ahead. It's okay. It's in there. It's gonna sink in. Yeah, it's in there. It's in there. And then one day I heard him on the phone talking to a friend of his. And like, he was like repeating some of the things that I had said to him. It's awesome. It's the best. Yeah. He did it, nailed it. That is so cool. Yeah, man. That's awesome. Oh, yeah. Well, geez, I thought we were going to talk about some lighthearted, stupid stuff. But we- Yeah, this is like a deeper podcast. And that's another thing that I really love about what we do here is that when we have, you know, special people in studio, it dictates the tone. Oh, yeah. So your tone has changed our room today for the better. Yeah. And in a really cool way. And I- I really, really appreciate that.

52:12I'm so happy to see you. I know, man. No idea how happy I am seeing you, man. I know, dude. That's a beautiful thing about this job. And I think maybe a lot of people don't know is just that the, like, the closeness that you sort of get after spending this, like, intense experience with people. Wow. It lasts a lifetime. It does, you know? And it's like, you know, sort of like you were saying before. It's like, you don't have to see someone every day. But then, like, you know, you see him and it's just, like, brings all that stuff back. Oh, it's, you know, it's like a really special experience. That I don't know maybe that other people get outside of the industry, but it's my favorite thing. I mean, you're absolutely right. Every now and then, I'll, even when I was a little kid, I did a show called Give Me A Break Into This Day. Kari Michelson, who was the oldest sister on that show. And, you know, and she'll still reach out. And literally just, it's wild. Like it's so wild. It's really? It's really? Like, 45, 43 years later, you know? And just, and just going, she'll hard a story or she'll say, think it about you guys

53:15or I love the episode or something, you know, and it's wild. You know, it really is like, you just remember, because I remember so vividly those moments in the early 80s, you know? It's almost like if I could try to explain it. It's like if you take all four years of high school or college and condense it, a family unit and condense it, like a band of brothers or sisters and condense, it's like that. It all becomes this microcosm on a film or TV set. And it's like condensed into this period of time and it's burned so bright. You have so many memories. And so many memories that, yeah, it is, it bonds you for life. But it doesn't matter. We could not see each other, which we didn't for a long, long time. And yeah, just sitting here from now, man, it's nothing but love and fondness that I have. Do we have such a good time? We did. I feel a little bad. I might have corrupted you a lot. That was the one. So it's funny. I'll just, you know, we can go out on this story. But I was, I was in a bubble of this family pretty much up until that movie.

54:17And that's what I going back to the recall to the beginning of the episode when I said I was turned loose for the first time on a movie set. That was really the first time that I was outside of the bubble. It wasn't being checked on it. Well, you know, it was a cool experience for me. And I had this another time to where I remember, because I don't think we met during the audition process. I remember auditioning a lot with Trevor or whatever. And then I remember someone told me it was AJ or somebody they were like, oh, Matt Lawrence got cast as the, as, as Victor. And I was like, huh. So like, but then like he came in and I was like, he was so good and so different than anything else you had ever played, you know? And the same experience when I worked with Joseph Gordon Levin. Oh, yeah. We did this movie called Manic. And you know, it was a bunch of kids at a psych hospital and, you know, he had spent a lot of time on that show and dude, 100% had like totally judged to like an idiot and thought like, and then as soon as we got in rehearsal, I was like, oh my God, dude, I got to like

55:20step it up. This guy is incredible. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting, right? Because you, especially when you, when you start off in sitcom or like high, you know, comedy. Uh, and if you're, if you're decent at it, you know, then people just assume that's what you are and that's what you're good at. Right. And, uh, but honestly, I, going back to what you said earlier where you also don't know exactly where you would have been because you don't really crave the attention. How is the same way? Yeah. Yeah. To, in order to do the sitcom, I had to rev myself so high like it was honestly, that's harder for me than just kind of playing it more down the middle, being more true to reality. That comes more natural to me. The sitcom stuff is like, that's when I'm backstage like shaking here in the audience, writing to go, because I have to push so hard to get to that level. But you know, the greatest thing about it though is that when you get pushed so hard,

56:21it's like being pushed off of a cliff, it's like you have to fly. Yeah. There's no option. Yeah. The greatest experience for me because I don't know if I would have ever probably really continued on with the acting if I hadn't been pushed so far because then on the other sets, it felt, I felt more at peace, you know, I was, I was able to kind of settle in. So, and those guys were great too because, um, you know, the, the script is already so funny, but there was like this expectation that we were to come with. Yeah. All kind of like, oh, yeah. That's right. All kinds of stuff. Although when we'd sit down and we'd talk about the scene and how to make it better, you know what I mean? There was like this expectation to like contribute. Absolutely. Right. As opposed to just like, just know your lines and we'll give you some readings and that's it. No, no, no, and you're right. That was, that was really cool. And again, what an amazing learning experience because it's like, you couldn't have a four year education for what we got taught just in those three months. That was like, you could first time that happened for me.

57:21I think the two accents, it was like that sort of that feeling of going from maybe being like a child actor to more of an adult actor. Yeah, that's a way felt. It was a coming of age story for me personally as well. Yeah. Well, that's that very short. Yeah, man. Do you remember when you were friends with Josh Hartman? Oh, yeah. Do you remember when he came up and then just dropped a bomb on our set for a week? I don't remember that. I remember him coming. Yeah, but I don't remember what happened. He was like, so I mean, he was coming off of like, I think it was black octave. No. He had the other military one because he was wearing his Pearl Harbor. Pearl Harbor. Pearl Harbor. Okay. Yeah. And I think he was going through a breakup or something. Oh, oh, he hooked up with somebody. Yes. And well, everybody was super worried about their ladies on that set when he showed up. But it was like a week and it was like as if the movie didn't exist anymore. And we just had this week with Josh Hartman.

58:21All we did was do that. I remember at the time he came out and then also my buddy Anthony came out and then Anthony and AJ ended up forming a production company. Anthony actually passed away a few years ago. Really? No way. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I was a tough one. Yeah. Images in my head right now. Yeah. Yeah. You know, he struggled for a long time. But you know, I mean, but yeah, anyways, that was I just, yeah, I remember a lot of people. Dude, it was such a sort of coming and partying. Yeah. I mean, wild, wild experience. Anyway, we have reached our time limit here. We don't want to keep you too much longer, buddy. But you'd come back, man. Yeah, you have to come back around too. Yeah. Next time I guess I won't take it as a series. No, it's good enough. No, no, no, no, we love it. We love this. I'm not kidding. I'm dead serious about that. That's what makes I think this podcast live and breathe is that it really, when we have people in studio, which is not that often. I mean, we don't really just have random people. You know, we always, there's always got to be some sort of connection to us.

59:23And obviously we have, you know, big connections. So, but it, it's great to have the tone shift from the usual because. Well, I hope you guys keep doing it, man, because you got the three of you together. You guys got something that I just love, man. I'm like, I'm really doing it. Yeah. We should do it. Just to get to 500, right? I can tell that it was you. 500, actually. We had this, we had this. You were, you were, you were already had this discussion here. Not here. We're at 185, Jim, presumably, 188. Yeah. Wow. Maybe we should start doing the five episodes a week, guys. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how they do that. I know. I don't know how they do that. Sounds crazy. But, but yeah, dude, it was such a pleasure. Happy New Year. Happy New Year, bro. Great seeing you too. We got to come back. We got to do this more often. You guys can hang out without the pod, too. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, we could, we could, you know, we take, we can't, we can hang out. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He's hard, he's hard, man. He's a, he's a, he's a recluse, you know, he, I get it. Yeah, I, I'm out back with the animals are working.

1:00:26That's pretty much my life right now. I still have all my animals. I love them dearly. And that's the only time where I find, again, peace when we're talking about because I'm, I'm serving others, even though they're animals. It's, yeah. I'm completely in service to them. They have to eat. Oh, cool. He's, he's, he's carried intended for it and, and there's nothing to do with these. Definitely needs a couple of kids. Well, it'll be nice. Take us out. Somebody, alright. Thank you so much for joining us this week on the brotherly love podcast. Please like and subscribe. Check out our online merch store. Elden, pleasure to see you buddy. We will see you all next week. We will. Bye guys. Thank you everybody for joining us here on the brotherly love pod. Please like and subscribe on our YouTube and check out our online merch store. You can find the link in our show description. And we will see you next week.