Ep 186 | Seth Green Crashes Da Pod!!!

0:00My mom, my mom came out and she was like, so who are you having on the pot this morning, sweetheart? And I was like, oh, we're having Seth Green. She was like, Seth! Tell him, I took him on to New York on a bus. That's right. On the bus, do you remember that, dude? Of course I do. Of course I do. The time before, before you were born, little man. Before you were born, before the mosquitoes. It's because of the, I think it's because of the, the peer and all the agriculture that comes in. Shipping, flowers, orchids in particular, from Southeast Asia is where we got those little ones. And then we got the Dungae. The palms that came over from the other side, came over from the African side, brought in the other ones. I love how actually informed you are about this. I'm just obnoxious enough to say that mosquitoes from the shipping. And you're like, I've actually traced the receipts.

1:00The shipping manifest shows that these came in on these orchids. The origin. Kind of, I mean, I got a lot of animals, right? So I got a lot of animals outdoors. I'm constantly outdoors. I'm constantly fighting them. They just swarm and attack me every time I go out there to take care of them. So, you found any kind of like, what do you use against them? What works? Does anything work? You can use like rosemary and lavender and lemongrass. And you could plant, there's a lot of natural repellents that you could plant in your garden and stuff to keep them away. Citronella. Citronella. But ultimately nothing. There really just. Well, you'd have to, I mean, the DDT, whatever that stuff is, does work, but it's toxic. I mean, you can, Andy, didn't you get it? I was in Africa and I was so scared of getting like malaria at this one place that I was staying at that I slept not only in full mosquito netting, but I sprayed the shit out of myself with DEET.

2:00And I got so sick, bro. And dude, I poisoned myself. I got nauseous and I started seeing spots and I threw up and I realized that I actually did more damage to me with the anti-maskitos, spray than the mosquitoes would have done to me naturally. So, yeah, that's true. Yeah, I told you. Did you take the anti-malarium medicine like the malarone? Malarone? Yeah, yeah. Did you get loose in the nightmares that it promised? You know, I thought it was the DEET, but it might have been that. It might have been the malarone, yeah. I didn't get it. Remember when I got to go to Africa, taking all the malarone and all, you know, every time there's potential side effects, I like to know what that is, but when it promised loose in nightmares, I was like, what does that even mean? And it was when we were deep in the South, I went through Kenya, West Africa. And we were deep in the Masai. It was called Chucinilage. And it was like the southernmost point of the Masai.

3:00The whole region, the whole desert. And it was that night that I had, the most terrifying series of loose in nightmares. So they told me they zipped us up into tents and they go, don't worry about the monkeys. You're gonna hear monkeys, you're gonna hear lion. Don't worry the Masai are here. Don't worry about it. And in my dream, I was experiencing paralysis as a monkey uns... Unzipped my whole tent and then came inside, like, rough, fun, slow, and so there. And then like, this is how I know it was a nightmare because like a hundred monkeys just started like folding in underneath the wall. And they were all like really slow checking me out, but like poking, checking me out. And then like real slow just like start pulling pieces off of me and just like, I can't move and they're just like ripping my arm. And eventually I woke up and I was like, these drugs I would rather have malaria.

4:02Dude, the monkeys are not like, the monkeys are no joke, man. They would like, they would come in. I left, we were in a lodge once, I left the door kind of open and they were, they came in and... Oh yeah, a ransack, stealing the food and they were, you know, I was... Yeah, they do that. I thought they were friendly at first, but they were vicious. The interesting thing about like hunting, hunter-gatherer species is they're never gonna turn that off, right? And so they haven't adopted any of the, the principles or patients that we have there, like, hey, there's food in here and I'm pretty sure I know how to get it. Yeah. I just got to trick this guy in the head. Dude, nothing scares me more than a very angry chimpanzee. That's like the most scary animal on the planet because they go for your face. Yeah, they rip off your eyes. They'll stick their fingers in your eye, like, destroy your eyes, they'll rip off your face there. No joke. They go straight for your genitals. Have you actually, you feel like, like, we've all worked with animals, right? Like, mostly they bring a large animal to the kid. Yes. I work with my brother, he's a...

5:04Yeah. I work with my brother. I've had to experience, like, an incredible variety of animals. Have you guys all gotten, like, a orangutans, a pygmy mormous sets, like the big chimpanzees, gorillas, like, you know, as close as a tiger. Yeah. As close as you can get as a child. And every time I'm like, is this dumb? Is this dumb? Probably. Yeah. That was like the thing. I don't know why, but like, especially on the sitcoms. In the 80s, that we used to do. In the 90s, yeah, they really just... They bring on, like, bears. Yeah. Like, you're like, they put it next to like a seven-year-old. And you're like, this is interesting. Very interesting. Yeah. Well, they really hadn't learned to aim. What's up? I don't think they'd learned yet, you know? I genuinely don't think they had learned yet. It's true. No. We're just talking about how many inarguably wild animals we've all met and been closer to than should probably be legally allowed. Like, you think about how... We all live through some incredible advances in child protective services. Oh, my gosh.

6:04Everything from labor laws to all sorts of good stuff. For sure. Oh, yeah, man. Oh, yeah. I don't do anything anymore. Nothing. Nothing. Yeah. I'm going to pause right here and I'm going to introduce our guests today, because we have an amazing guest. We do. I mean, you have seen this guy, I mean, in some of the most incredibly funny on the planet. Yeah. I mean, come on. He's been doing it as long as we all have. I mean, we've all been doing it four plus decades. Yeah. This is my favorite part is that I've known... I feel like we've known each other a whole lot. Yeah. I'm so happy to have you here. I really started on a bus trip to New York. Let me introduce him. I'm not introducing. Introduce him. Everybody. Welcome to the pod, Seth Green. Woo! Thanks for being here, man. Really, dude. That's really my pleasure. Bro, you're like I've never really known you guys. It's my whole career. It is crazy, right? In fact, my mom, my mom came out and she was like, so who are you having on the pod this morning, sweetheart? And I was like, oh, we're having Seth Green. She was like, Seth! Tell him, I took him on to the New York on a bus.

7:06That's right. On the bus. Do you remember that, dude? What did I do? I think this is the funny thing. I'm sure you were the same way. I saw this and I was like, oh, this is what I do. And so whatever it took to be there to get the shot to prove that I could do it or just do it right, I wanted to do it. And so whoever helped me, anybody that was like, I believe you. Let's do what I mean. I do, I remember it. Yeah, it's crazy. It's so crazy. All those train rides in New York and the buses. I mean, dude, you know, it's like we really paid our dues, and continue to pay our dues. I mean, we've had those careers where, sure, there's been moments of great success and then the moments where you're grinding and then you want to get back there and you had to fight through things and prove yourself again and again and again. You know, some people... It's never not a challenge. Like I have that realization. Yeah. Even watching anybody that had like immediate or catastrophic success.

8:07There's always parabolas, right? So all of my favorite icons, my greatest influences, they've all had moments where it was really high and moments of bad decision making or getting caught up in your own hubris or whatever drugs alcohol, like whatever it is that becomes your folly. You see people pulled off path or even just they put out a bad thing and nobody likes it and you realize how thick of the audience is. Yeah, I know. I heard a stand up. I think it was Jeff Ross and I were talking about like putting somebody on stage and no matter who it is, it could be Eddie Murphy. You got about 30 seconds before the audience is like, what do you got? Oh, I know. I know. What do you got? You're only as good as your last joke or your last movie or whatever it is. You know, that's the old saying. You gotta hook up. You gotta hook up. You gotta hook up. I do think it's that, right? It's never having the ego about it. Like I love... I love that all performers are really part of the same

9:10category regardless of what kind of performing you do. Like we all do the same kind of thing. You have to contain whatever madness you've got in your own head. You've gotta do something that's exclusively on behalf of the audience and then you're gonna make that you're gonna entertain these people. And regardless of how you're doing it, like I feel like that's something we all share. And the motive to do that is so insane, right? Like trying to be a person in real life when this, you know, is your purpose. It's very challenging. I've wanted to... It is. No, it is. It is very. There's a duality to it that is very interesting at times. Yes, I agree with that. Yeah, it's a wild path that we've all chosen and yet we still get to gather like this which would be very unexpected. If somebody had said this 20 years ago, hey, you guys were all gonna meet up on a podcast. You would be like, what the hell is that? You know, like the Apple thing with my 25 songs on it? Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. You know, that's where Steve Jobs did coin it, right?

10:11That's where it came from. Yes, that's where it came from. Of course, they were like, you're gonna cast this off the iPod. It was bananas. I feel like it's hilarious, right? Like, but anytime I talk to my grandparents or like much older people, just about the things that they experienced, they experienced all of this same fit in the same way that we did through the lens of like their parents and all this must be the truth to your own connections to like culture, to pop culture, to like having your own kids like everybody. It's just fascinating to think about how time goes on and us living this epoch, getting to reflect on all the insane technological, cultural advances, decays, that we've been witness to. Yeah, man. Just watching this wholesale change in real time, it's bananas. It is. It is. It is the first one that's truly disconnected, I think, from the human sort of experience as thus has been so far, right? Because even during like the industrial revolution

11:11and things like they were still tangible, like we were, we were, you know, steel and... It was tactile. You could touch it. You could still do it. It was a visual experience that you had to actually partake in, right? And I feel like so, even though, yeah, those were advanced with people like, oh, hey, what the heck's going on here? We have several modes of transportation now. It's not just a, you know, a... Horse and buggy. Yeah, horse and buggy were a train. But, you know, but this, but this one is so unique. And we've talked about it before because it really is, it's outside the realm of the human experience, you know? It really is. It's in a digital world where things are virtual and things are not real and we're constantly being called upon as humans after thousands of years of evolution to do things that a computer is supposed to do. Update, pass codes, re-log and things. And I feel like it breeds just such a... You just absorb the stuff at this rate. Yeah, dude. I don't think we're designed to absorb it. These are not. We are 100% not. Maybe, look, I have children, I have older children and younger children, you know?

12:12Maybe the little ones, maybe they will because they've just grown up with it, will be more suited for this. But for somebody like myself, man, it is weird for me because like, you know, we're all kind of similar. It's, you, it came upon us and so quickly. And yet we had a pretty large portion of our lives in the analog world. So it has been very out of body for me the last 15 years. It's only going to get worse. No, I know, but it's, it's, we are that, but we are that generation, right? That really sat on either side of it to understand what a teenage life can be like with or without. Yes. This added kind of social pressure or this added implication of a greater whole that knows more and is better and more equipped than you. Like it's some, that type of separation has only made, I think kids feel more alone, but we're also witnessing in real time, maybe the recognition that things like social media should be 18 and over. Yeah, dude, there you go. The teenagers are not really.

13:12Yeah. It's, it's so unhealthy to you to measure yourself worth against these kinds of, dude, benchmarks. It's, and also you can see like all of these companies from Facebook to TikTok, they almost sort of bury the research that shows where it's damaging, literally where it's damaging psychologically or where it's corrosive social socially. Because we are the only like truly for profit country in the, on the planet, truly for profit. For sure. Is for profit, even the healthcare. Yeah, you gotta, you gotta have money to be able to, it's crazy, it gets sick. Yeah, it's really great. Fascinating times, right? Well, people are revolution. And while we're at it. Yeah, man, it is. And that's what I'm talking about. Bring it back to the variety show. Am I right guys? Let's do it. Let's do it. Up, up, up, up. There was a try and truth format.

14:13Hey, man, you know, stranger things have happened. That could be something that absolutely could work. You know, these, these kids are finding a lot of this old school stuff now, you know, I've said it before, my 26 year old are finding all this old school stuff and all their peers going back and putting on records again and they're going outside. The malls are exploding again with people like, like I think that there is a, there's a moment here that we're having. I don't know how long it'll last or if it's a fad, I don't know, but there's definitely a moment we're having, you know? My wife pointed out to me that during the, well, post the Spanish flu, like the original pandemic, 1800s, post all of that strife, all of that containment, all of that debate about what we even are, came a period of time called the roaring 20s. Isn't that amazing? Wherein life was celebrated to its fullest because humans, at least Americans, felt so privileged to have survived this dangerous time. And we're like, I'm not going to live my life caught up

15:13in all this bullsh**. It is challenging. It is challenging, but I, I really believe that. I'm always, I'm always of the mind that humans are pretty awesome. Yes. And that we always find a way to get it together. And we'll suffer because we're dumb while we're figuring it out. Yeah. Very, very stupid. Always trying to figure it out. And usually learn from our mistakes. And when we don't, we just say, Amen, dude. But this time, I'm hoping for a new roaring 20s. I mean, we could live through that. That would be really awesome. It would be awesome. I feel like there's a possibility for it. There really is. There really is. I mean, well, that time was just an explosion of creativity and ideas and like human interactive experiences putting on music and shows and having conversations like really getting to know each other and digging in on what life's supposed to be about. I totally agree. It led to a lot of, you know, positive forward thinking

16:18on behalf of America as a country. I think that's what made us able to have any moral or political position in World War II was everything that we had survived and built in advance of it. Yeah. That's actually really a thing. I said having not lived through any of that. No, but, but you know what that feels great? No, no, I saw a doc like a chicken car. I don't know. I don't know. Oh, maybe. Some podcasts on the Google main page. I read the review of it. I didn't see the doc. It made some good points to review. I think, listen, I skimmed the review of the headline made a great point. I haven't actually seen the review. I'm not really married. He completely falls apart. Oh, my God. This guy's a total myth. Everything he just, we're all going to hell in the head basket. Yeah. That's amazing. How many years you've been married, man? It's 16 years this year.

17:19Wow. Great. No, no, no. You have kids? We have a kid. She's almost four. Wow. I know, right? That's crazy. Unbelievable. What's going on over there? No. Wow. Almost four. Geez. Okay, dude. No, I didn't see that coming. You got a little, we've never, we've never going to have kids. Like, we were married over 10 years before we had a kid. Yeah, I was thinking like, wow. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Because you know, I sort of, I sort of, what did you spill or something? What do you do? I had kids. No, guys, I'm getting over a little bit of a cold and my nose was running. Oh, sorry, man. I hope you feel better, bro. Hey, thanks. It's not like, you know, serious, but I'm not going to let you listen to me pull my nose. Thanks, man. Yeah, I got older kids and younger kids. I have almost a four-year-old and then a five-month-old and then a 20-year-old and a 16-year-old, too. I have three girls and then a little son. Yeah, I got four. Oh, man. So the son is the most recent. He's been more equipped for it now than you've raised three girls.

18:20He's my final act. Yes. And thankfully, so far, it's very, it's very different. You know, he's very chill and he just, we have an innate little thing and he just respawn. Like, yeah, when he's fussy, like, if I pick him up, he totally chills, which is wild. Wow. You know, I feel like innately like all the girls, you know, the two older ones I was married for, you know, 15 years and it just didn't work and so started over and that was unexpected and, you know, never thought I'd be here, but that's life, you know. And it's been great, you know, highs and lows, right? I mean, that's what it's all about. But, like, if it's long, if we're lucky, guys. Exactly. Exactly, sure. I'm here for the ride. You know, that's really what it is. I want to, I enjoy the ride as Tommultra says it is at times, so I'm thankful for the ride, you know. But, yeah, it is very different. Because the girls would always, it would always just be natural to be like, your mom, you know, your mom will comfort you. You know, like, I'll do it too, but I know your mom and I know you guys have that thing and I know that she can teach you how to go to the bath. You know, your mom and you pee the same, you know, it's like your mom's going to teach you those fundamentals.

19:22I'll be there to protect you and support you and be your dad, you know. But with the little guy, it's already like, I feel like, all right, so I'm going to be teaching you how to pee. And I'll be teaching you how to brush your hair and your hygiene and how to wipe. But now I'll be doing those eventually to shave shave and, you know, as a matter of fact, I was tied, I was tied, I was holding them the other night. And while I was shaving, because my wife was putting our, our three and a half year old, the bad and, and he was in my arms and I was, you know, and he was like, just studying me and then he put his hand on it. So cute. Yeah, man, I was like, all right, this is actually pretty cool, you know, because I'm an old guy now, but, you know, I'm still, I'm still hanging in there, but it's, it's, it's wild. But you're, you're in great shape. You take excellent care of yourself. These are all the things that will help you live long. I'm an older dad too and believe me, the only reason that I've been in the gym is so I can like, do that ride time with this kid. Yeah, that's it. She's like, that's spin me and I'm like, I know.

20:22I know, man, and I was the young dad. It's so interesting because I had the book ends. I was the younger dad. I won't say young. I was like, I was almost 30 when I had my first, right? So 29. So, you know, I was a younger dad and then, and then this little guy came and I was 49. So, yeah, man. So, and then I turned 50. He was born April 6th and my birthday was the 20th. So, pretty crazy. I know, man. That's awesome. Yeah, dude. You guys are getting this celebrate together. I know. It's really, it's really, it's really me. What's your daughter's name? Well, I'll tell you off line. We try to keep her. I'm sure that you get it. Appreciate it. That's been, you know, people are so, people are crazy. People are crazy. What I've noticed, they are. No, I appreciate that. I respect that you want to protect your child. And as you should, people, we're not like me and Claire, they, they rarely come at us. Right? We're just not that interesting. And, yeah, I mean, I get it. We're just not like the stuff that people get interested in about couples. Like, we don't think we're any of that.

21:26So, they, they come at us like about crazy stuff. And for that, we just try to like, yeah, not really give them anything. Yeah, I get it. I get it. I get it. I get it. I get it. That's part of it too. That's part of the two, you know. You guys have kids? No, no, no. No, it's about to say if and when, hopefully I'm, I'm blessed with a child. I, I would be the same. I'd be so protective of people. No rush, man. It is a, it's an interesting thing, right? Like, there's no, like a kid. It's, it can't be overstated. Like this person that this person now exists. No, no. Like everything that happens, everything's just like you made that happen, right? So it's a crazy thing. And I don't think that everybody's not doing it. Not because like not everybody's good at it, because like not everybody's got to do it. I feel like that pressure got put on us almost sociologically.

22:27Oh, yeah. From a hundred percent it did a primal animal instinct. Like we've got to populate this planet with humans, guys or else bears are going to take over. Like, yeah, yeah. So, um, it, and I'll emphasize we, we were married a really long time before we were even like, what if we, what if we had a kid? That'd be, that could, that could be it. That could be interesting, right? Um, crazy. So yeah. Yeah. I wish you, I wish you luck and hustle patients. Thanks, man. I appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah, I do. I, I really do want a family at some point, but you're right. I felt the pressure from society early on. And I was always actually in some sort of, you know, committed relationship working towards that. It's just for some reason I, I never, I never was the relationship never worked out long enough. And I never felt stable enough to, because as an actor, too, man, I always felt like, and I think this probably was the wrong thing because people do, do tell me you're never ready. Yeah. Whether it's with your work financially, emotionally, you're never ready. You just got to maybe do it. But I was always, I always just felt, I'm not ready. I'm not at that place.

23:33Why feel comfortable enough that I can take care of another human being. I'm having trouble taking care of myself. That was the, yeah. That was the, don't worry, because Al Pacino is fourth kid. What was that? Well, I said don't worry, man, because Al Pacino just said his fourth kid. He's 83. Oh, jeez. I know. Like, I'm a big jagger's having kids in his eight years. Are you insane? We're going to be the generation that lives over a hundred. I know. That's the thing. Medicines gotten so good to carry yourself. You can live so long. They said by 20, by 2040, the average lifespan would be like 150 to 200 years. By 2040. Is that insane with modern medicine technology? I keep seeing, I keep seeing these social posts like just don't die in the next five years, because AI is going to solve everything. I'm like, all right. I know. The people in charge of the AI are not scary. Not like the best people. No, it's really scary. The motives in decision making again are like profit, profit is not cultural.

24:35Not they're not even like thinking about the best software. They're just like pushing towards an end without a real knowledge of what that end will bring. I'm deep into all of the quantum science, just because I'm super into nerd core. And a lot of top talks and conversations about AI and quantum computing. I've met two of the teams that are the furthest along and building a quantum computer. I keep asking people like, why are you doing this? Yeah, I know. Because you would know when that you know everything. I'm like, black is that help. I know. Yeah. It is scary. I mean, you apply any of that. I like AI as a tool. It's been really, really helpful. I love AI as a participant because as an assistant, it is invaluable. And computers have been, we program robots to assist us.

25:36We should not be empowering them to take us. That's true. So true. Yeah. It's like, what happens when that assistant wants a promotion, right? Because I feel like nine out of ten, all of the nine out of ten of the AI creators and guys out there. Basically, their intention is for AI to rule the world. And humans will have like their place. Well, it's a AI will be the superior being. Yeah. At least the people that I've talked to who are in that world, they're not thinking about what happens to the workforce. They're not thinking about what had their only seeing it as a benefit for humanity. Yeah. Every application that they can imagine is a plus for humanity. And the concept of enormous swaths of human beings being out of work forever is just sort of the way time goes. Oh, it's right. Like, I work for, I do a bunch of work for Warner Brothers through parts of network via adult swim.

26:36Yeah. And watching Warner Brothers get purchased by AOL time Warner at one point and then owned by discovery. And now discovery is looking to be consumed by another company. You have got this massive paramount merger. Yeah. Like, none of these people are thinking about, yeah, we saw 80,000 people get laid off and fired in a two year period. And that was just across our networks. That was just across like the one division of this company, which shells like 60 other companies. So for them that they don't, they're literally like, I don't know guys, we got to do all this at the feet of AI. Yeah. Because the people ultimately won't matter in the future. I just think about it differently. Yeah, me too, dude. Me too. Me three, dude.

27:36That's just, you're right. It has to, I know, I know. It is, it is really, it's fine. I'll give you an example because you're right. It's a great tool, but in this way, like an assistant, like I have, I have this weird, plumbing issue on an ease mid on my property. And it's making this weird rumbling noise deep in the ground. It's a little scary. And it actually woke me up a couple nights ago. I couldn't go back to sleep. So I had my laptop and then I had chat on my phone, facing the laptop. And it was literally just giving me instructions. And I went down and we did all these overlay maps. You just said we. Yeah, me and Sean. Oh my gosh. Oh, God. Yeah. Oh, come on. This is what it is. This is what it is. It's what it is. It's what it is. It's what it is. It's what it is. It's what it is. It's what it is. It's what it is. It's what it is. It's what it is. Yeah. This is the first thing people call Siri Sheet. Like you can't fault somebody for gendering their AI assistant. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, I want to hear the end of the story, though, but that I want to tell you.

28:38Well, yeah. Well, it was just, it was amazing because I mean, within four hours, I had now four overlay maps, the original drawings from 1924 to 1963 to figure out the depth of the pipe. And I was able to find the eight inch diameter clay pipe 12 feet under the ground in my easement with chat to BT and my bed at 4 a.m. Yeah. That's, I mean, it's effective, right? There's definitely ways that it's super to be useful. Yeah. Especially because it can write code. It can write code. Like you can create websites. You can create pay tools. Like you can really get a lot done as an individual that you simply couldn't even a year ago. Yeah. So true. 20 person team. And so I can't fault any individual that wants to consolidate their ability to create. It should never be at the expense of the sum total of participants that are skilled in creation. So true. I mean, why aren't we using it to create more opportunities for people instead of less, you know, that's that's that's my thing.

29:41I mean, I'm just running for office. I can't, man. I'll never do that. But you know, you know, and I heard I heard a really do it. I heard a really interesting thing about how no, no, no, no, you kidding no. But I heard it was going to happen to any, any actor that's ever tried to get it. Probably didn't want for him or another. Like even Swordson I heard. I know they killed him for it. They were killed. They were killed before. Yeah, I know. Definitely stay with them. They almost got Reagan. I mean, they literally almost got Reagan. You know, they tried to assassinate him. Yeah. So did some terrible things. He's the guy who's well, his administration is like the principal architects of a stuff like revolving the fairness doctrine, which is the beginning of AM radio, which is the beginning of all of this like false advertising being allowed. The fairness doctrine said that anybody with a broadcast license was obligated to tell the truth or at least differentiate between what the truth and what. And then the opinions, opinions, assertions, what a pain based assertions.

30:41Right. And at some point in the under the Reagan administration, they're comfortable. And so I can do whatever they want. And so AM radio could people could go on AM radio and just say anything to say I'm abducted by aliens. I, I, I, I had sex with Ronald Reagan's dog, like they can literally say anything. And it's just this slow chipping away at what's presented to the public as fact and potential fiction. And then removing all the guardrails to inform the public that what they're watching is fiction. Like I'm happy at least that all the AI has embedded watermarks. But man, you got to be looking for them. And we see anything on social media. It's that people only recognize headlines that they don't read the article. No, that they absorb a headline as fact. And if it's got a false or misleading image that a watermark is not immediately visible on it. Somebody doesn't know what that watermark is. You could have somebody convinced that Donald Trump is a lizard man. Yeah. And we got the images to prove it.

31:41Yeah. It's true. It's true. There's actually a video now circulating that everybody thought was real and actually made mainstream news of him falling. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's tough, right? Because then you're just kind of like shot and Freud wishing that was true. Like I saw a great A.I. video months ago of him, like trying to outrun cops that were coming out of him with a lot of stuff. And I was like, what? When did this happen? He's like slipping and I was like, oh, this is fake. You saw somebody with like a leg behind their arm or something. Yeah, yeah, exactly. This is it real. Exactly. You know what's interesting going back to that A.I. and what's really intelligence? A.I. has actually changed because before even five to 10 years ago, if you asked all the supposed really intelligent people, what is brilliance? They would have said engineering and coding and it's the first thing A.I. solved. So now when you ask people, what is that? It's more things like creativity. Yeah. Being able to step outside yourself.

32:42These are the new benchmarks of if your brain is functioning at higher levels. Very interesting. Very interesting. I think it's changed. This is how we evolved, right? Yeah. It's slower and more subtle and we're witnessing it in real time as opposed to getting to observe it long after the fact. And so it's crazy. It's a lot less interesting. It's a lot less fun. I'd say it's a lot. Yes. This is really hard. Yeah, man. There's a lot of yes. A lot of anxiety that comes along with it. A lot of un, you know, you know, unknowns that come along with it. And that's, yeah, you have to trust the process in a weird way and try to make the best of it. And that's not easy to do. It's much easier when you read it in history book, you know? It's also something. I feel like a lot of these, like this is the, I don't know how this will sound. So I'm just going to say it. I feel like a lot of these lessons. At least the ones that have had an effect on our industry, the changes that have been made, the protections that have been instituted. It all happened kind of on our time. I mean, we're not Jackie Kugin or anything like that.

33:44So we didn't get like robbed that way. Young, but like a lot of kids, I know the folks spent their money or like really them over in one way or another. Or they just weren't protected by the system, right? So they got real hurt. They wound up uncared for it's like there's new stuff in. There's new stuff that has come into vote, but it, it, it post dates. Oh, yeah. Yeah, man, way really. Yes. Yeah, the stuff that we went through is wild. Now I look back on it. It's, it's what I know. I don't hate any of it. Is that terrible to say like when I was like, well, I probably get 12 year olds shouldn't be doing this. I was like, man, look what? I think I'm a smarter adult. I think so. The experience for sure. Oh, my gosh. It's like grown up in the wild west type of thing. It's, I enjoy it. I wear that proudly. Well, we were forced into an adult world that didn't a coddle children.

34:45Right. You know, at a very young age, man, really. Like, I mean, I didn't relate to kids in school. That's what it did to me. I didn't relate to kids at all, bro. I only related to adults as a very young kid. I had no safe space. Well, as a matter of fact, I think that's one of the things I think we all did. I mean, that's what it was. And there is a certain benefit to that. You know, I feel like, you know, we've gone to the other side so much where we've coddled so much and you're not even an adult at 30 now. People are saying like, I'm not fully cooked. I'm only 30. It's like 30. Bro, my, I mean, it's because we all got that quick brown on that easy bake oven. Yeah, man. Yeah, we did. Yeah, we did, you know, and it's just fine. Get about that. I mean, I feel like we all grew up and maybe, you know, all that wasn't that great. But I didn't mind, I didn't mind it, you know, at 15 or 16, like being a fully fledged person, you know, like, I was, I think about that's the funniest thing, man. I remember when they sent you out to like, how do you put a, you put a, you, I think you

35:45put the single out like the first single and it was in flying. And so they sent you to MTV and like all these exotic locations. And that's insane. Yeah. It's the cool and it's crazy and it's dangerous. But it's also like, yeah, oh my God. I never went to college. So I never got to have any of these like outrageous college experiences and go into the Bahamas or Jamaica, MTV, like that's the closest thing I got to a spring break. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Same here. Same here. No, it's not true. So we only did two, two years of college, Matt and Matt and I and I, and most of it was remote. We would go in there and take the classes and then leave. You know, we couldn't stay. Yeah. We were working, you know. Yeah. No, it was, but we were, we were like full fledged adults. Oh, yeah. I, I, I won't be saying it. And it's just one of those things that really puts it perspective. I mean, you look at, you look at Tom Cruise at 23 was Maverick and Top Gun and Timothy Shilome right now is over 30 like, like, guys, what? What? First of all, Timothy Shilome looks like a little kid.

36:47He literally, Marty Supremi was great, but he looks like a little kid. I mean, Tom Cruise was Maverick at 23 years old. You know, like, is that nuts? The difference, bro, like, I mean, it's like, oh my God. It's like anyway. So I don't mind any of that. You know, yeah, I don't mind having to grow up a little bit like, like that. I appreciate it. But I do want to zero back in on something. You said there were no safe spaces and I kind of felt like that. I felt like the kids were my, like the other kids that I was able to be friends with were my safe space. Totally. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. Totally in the business for sure. I'm sure. Yeah. Well, there's a brilliant things. And I think you tapped into that in a lot of your own camera roles. I remember even in, like, even in like camp by me, love, dude, like you were an adult. You were acting like a grown man in that movie. No, you know, I know. And I think that you tapped into it. You were, you were marvelously funny in that movie doing that. Yeah. You were mature, even though you had, you know, even though Patrick Dempsey was way older

37:50than you in the film, you were the voice of, you really glisten to me. You know, you were like, you know, you know, so. Like grew up on all those wise guys, right? Like I grew up in that. I feel like that's kind of what we were, because you, you did the same thing, right? Like all of you had the audition for Broadway, like, I had to learn how to sing, had to learn how to dance, had to learn how to do all of it. All of it trained us trained us. Even if you're never good enough, you're never going to be able to do this. I can't tell you how many times I audition for Broadway. And they're like, just not that strong as singer. I was like, I know. I know. But I'm practicing. They're like, we keep practicing. Like the training, the skills of the skill set of being able to train and the work ethic, that skill set is why you've been as successful as you have been and why you're still here doing it. And I feel like it's because I wanted it. Exactly. And not like the, it's funny to say that because I feel like that in modern culture gets very confused with the notion of celebrity or the ease that comes with.

38:50Right. Famous or recognized. But the thing that I always wanted was the troop. Like I, the first real, the first real performance stuff I got was on stage at summer camp when I was like five and six years old. And I just got to like be a part of the teenagers, put in plays on. And that was the most exciting thing. Us all getting together, the memory, the choreography, the paint. And then the crowd comes in, the curtain opens. We put on the show that we've been practicing. And then we, we bowed they all upon it. And it's, and we've shared something with them. That was the thing I was like, I think I'm addicted to this. And so it's always been what drives me is that this is what I do. Whatever shape it takes, this is what I do. I communicate things to an audience. Usually on behalf of a story I love or an idea that I really want to translate, but that's the thing I'm best at.

39:50I can, I can feel things so real that you can film it and you'll feel it too. Yeah. That's, that's what I'm good at. That's what guided me, not like my name being bigger. No, I know. In fact, in fact, it's always, and maybe it's because I kind of grew up in it, but it's always kind of scared me, man, losing my anonymity, not being able to be, uh, you know, in with just a crowd of people and not stand out. It has always kind of really worried me a little bit because it's tough to navigate. It can be a, you know, I'm not a big guy. And so I always said, I crowd fear, but the likes getting swallowed by a crowd fear is so palpable to me all the time. It's why I got so good at climbing. So good. I'm climbing. Pretty clever, man. I like to climb any of you. I'm scared. Yes, he has prehensal limbs. He just can grasp and think. I know how to distribute my weight. My grip is firm.

40:54Yeah, I don't know, man. Some people really, I think a lot of there's plenty of people who think they want to be famous. Cause it, it can look really interesting or at least the stuff you get to do. And I don't know. I find that, um, you go to enough of the, like anytime you have, um, anytime you have to do all of this in a year, right? Like anytime something's happened and you got to go to like, Emmys, you got to go this thing, you got to go to each of the parties, you got to press stuff. I know. And you got to go to the, the presentations, whatever. Anytime you have to go to all of it, you see the same people and all, you all start, I start, what's that look at each other? Like, ah, here we go. Yeah. Come on. But we're here on purpose. Let's do it. We love this move. Let's do it. Yeah. We also like, oh my god. My shoes are too tight. I've never worn this jacket before. Yeah. Yeah, dude. It's the worst. It's really worse. It's the worst, man. I hate it. I know. It's uncomfortable. Yeah. My back hurts. I'm exhausted. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was, I was doing a podcast the other day and the, and the, and the host asked me,

41:57he said, would you rather be successful or famous? Took me one millisecond. I just said successful. I don't care about fame at all. No, yeah. I honestly like, to me to be able to do what I, what I love to do and be successful so I can provide for my family and take care of everybody like the fame. I, and you're right today, especially because of the, of the little boxes like the fame precurses the success. Um, and when we were growing up, because we didn't have that accessibility or, you know, the world didn't have it at their fingertips, the, the success is what delivered the fame. Whether you wanted the fame or not, that's debatable. And I, that's never been a driver for, for me, but it was because you were, you were doing something that you were good at and you were being successful that the fame came. And now you can have fame with, like, with no success, like it's actually not success at all. It's just fame, you know, it's just different. It's hard for me because I both love and hate that axiom, right? I know. I know. I love, my, my mom was an artist and raised me like aware of all of the pop art and guys

43:02like Andy Warhol, the whole philosophy was that life itself is so beautiful and so rich with creativity that it, that it shouldn't be just the Renaissance masters that are considered artists like the creator of the, the Campbell soup can should be a revered artist because on, you know, art is meant to invoke a reaction. And the Campbell soup can. It invokes a reaction for anyone's witness. And that was the whole posit, right? It's kind of spinning the idea of stuffy, sophisticated intellectual artwork on its head and forcing culture in the art world to respect a kind of rumbled, unpolished interpretation of what art is. And, you know, the idea that art is something that can cause a reaction, then you're able to make anything into art. And I think that's really liberating. But the other thing that Warhol said was that we are so fascinated, we're so fascinating

44:08as a species that every person on the planet could have a 15 minute window of celebrity because it's entirely understandable that everyone in the world would look at this builder and say, look at Kevin James, this builder, where Kevin James is a real person. That was Kevin Donaldson, this builder, and he built this building and went to school and isn't a fascinating. You'd want to learn everything you could about this builder. And that's almost come to pass where we've got reality shows about every single vocation I know. Where even the most unexpected of positions has been lofted into great notoriety, right? Like because we have to make celebrity out of everything where we're so funny, the way that we need to like put something, put other golden calves ahead of us. I know. It is a very, that's a, that's beautifully said. Yeah, man, it is. It is weird. We only said to put golden calves at, we're going to put these people up here now. Why would we do that? That was the thing, man, when Twitter happened and they, they labeled the subscribers followers.

45:12I remember saying, oh my gosh, I think this is a bad idea. Yeah, it is a bad idea. It's, it's, it's very odd. It's very interesting because obviously, you know, I always, I always, I always, I, I, I like to refer to it as like a community. I preferring to as followers bothers me. It weirds me out. I don't like it. It feels like a cult. Yeah. I'm not starting to cult here, man. I'm just trying to make you laugh. That's cool. I know. You don't want to follow me. Trust me. Like a cult of love and inclusion, right? Exactly. Those pan out. Well, no, no. It always worked to start. Yeah. It's a good point. Good point. Well, and it's so funny now and they're, they're already, you know, they're already stunned. Like, you know, views, we became predominantly obsessed with views. Everybody. Yeah. I go and viral, and I have, my whole validity is a human being is based off the views. These poor people like my views, you know, and now the what they're coming out saying, look, it's not about views. It's about engagement. Right. It's about views. Don't worry about views. The audience retention. Right. I mean, it's just.

46:12Yeah. It's a clown show, you know? It's really a clown show. Yeah. It's not just that Lista, everyone's trying to find some kind of overlay to make us feel like, like, everything's not falling apart. I'm falling apart all the time. I know. It's so hard being people. Being people's really, really challenging. And they keep throwing new stuff at us, make it even harder. They do. They try and mix you up. I know. I know. I mean, it makes you up. It's trying to mix you up, man. This wants you to buy stuff faster. They're like, I heard you was talking about these ant acids. Here's six different kinds of ant acids. I know. I know. Whoa. Oh, man. It's, uh, yeah, it's, it's the profit game. It all ties into what you've been saying. I mean, it really is true. It really is true. We're just constantly over. We don't have to, we don't have to subscribe. That's just like the, the unfortunate reality that we're going to say. It is. Well, they force, they force, like you said, they force feed you, right? So you almost have to build up a tolerance and check yourself constantly because it's so

47:12easy just to, I mean, it's, it's just force fed everything. It is. Whether you like you said ant acids, it's got cats. Check yourself. I'm not right, guys. I wish I had a watch or something. They'll be like, baby, be time to check yourself. Do you know, I know. Good. Is that a stupid alarm to set? Should I set an alarm? Literally every, every couple hours, every like couple hours, just be like, Hey, man, you better check yourself. Check yourself. I'm getting a tattoo. Excuse me. I'm right here. I got a check. That's actually myself. Like, that's not a bad tattoo. No, it is actually a bug. I have a tattoo plan for this arm, and I'm just debating whether I'm really going to do it. Check yourself. I've never always had to. I feel like an alien tattoo. Exactly. What's the one on this arm? What's the one on the other arm? This one is the e-ching. This, you know, that's the coins, the divination coins. But this, this hexagram is called before completion. So it's like the journey. The journey. Cool, man. That's really cool. And then he's going to get, check yourself. Oh, so deep, Joey. You have no idea. Yeah, that's deep, man. That's deep. He went deep.

48:13I mean, he's so deep. People like, where's Seth Green? Nobody even knows where he is. He's so deep. He might be in middle earth. Oh, man. Oh, man. You're always working on everything, right? What are you working on now? What are you working on? What's to make this animated sketch comedy show called Robot Chica? Oh, yeah. Come on. Yeah. The little one that's been on for literally forever. You've been alive? Yeah, man. It's a long time. It's awesome, which is weird. How the hell? It's incredible. We're not focused on doing whole seasons the same way, just because of the way the TV changed the way that they're, what's it called, curating all of that? Right. Right. We're working on half hour specials, and we just put out one that's dedicated to the adult swim, which, you know, depending on your perspective, is in a massive, like, it's sort of an end of an era and a beginning of a brand new era. And so we wanted to talk about that. We got half hour to do it. It's on HBO Max now.

49:13Yep. It just came out, right? It just came out last weekend, maybe. Wow, dude. Awesome. Was that fun? Do you enjoy that better? Do you enjoy, like, the concentrated dosages, like larger amounts, but more concentrated rather than seasons or, you know, like, arcs of seasons and putting together that? It's a very similar process. Okay. From our side. Yeah. And it still takes like, what did this take us about ten or ten or twelve months start to finish? And then we started writing it to the time that we delivered it. It's like just under a year. And so it's, you know, if you're doing twenty-quarter hours, you stress that over about, I don't know, maybe like, fourteen months. It's weird because you would do it in a, like, the writing, you bundle the writing and then you start the production while you're continuing to write. And then you get to a point where all of it's overlapping, right? You'll still be writing episodes while you're editing and delivering other episodes

50:17when you're just in a season chain and committed to twenty-quarter hours. So from a process standpoint, making specials is a little easier because everything is focused on a single thing, right? Right. Rather than having to deliver all of these different episodes. Got it. How many years have you been doing it now? It's just like roughly the same amount of time. Okay. Okay. I know I was joking for decades, but dude, you've been doing it. We put the show on adults from the first time in 2005. Oh my God. Oh my God. Geez, man. That's incredible. It's incredible. It's weird. And it's not like it's happened every year. We've done eleven full seasons and something like twelve half hour specials. But we've gotten to do everything from Star Wars to DC Comics. Oh yeah. And that I think is the fun of it, right? Like it now can team up with anybody to make something specifically dedicated to that

51:19idea. I like that's really cool. That is so cool. Was it your brainchild? That this whole concept like in 2003, where you sit in the middle of the game. I'm looking at this mind to come up with man. It wasn't on purpose like that. My buddy Matt Senraish, who was the editorial director of Wizard Publications, which was like the major banner for all the NerdCore magazines pre-internet. And he and I just became buddies through the magazine. I think it was like the second-awesome powers. And they were making an action figure of me for it. I believe this was happening. And I was supposed to go on Conan. And Conan had like Hasbro made him a twelve inch GI Joe doll with his head on it. And at one point, I was like, well, my figure is only six inches. And his twelve inch inch figure, like these figures together, this would be like just about real scale for me and Conan. I know he's a massive man. Yeah. Stretch arms from like up to his hip bone. Yeah.

52:20Yeah. I can look around the waist. It's very uncomfortable. Yeah. So I was like, hey, wouldn't it be funny to make like a little short instead of going on and talking about myself or trying to come up with interview content. Maybe I'll make a little short the way that guys like Fred Arnesson or Fred M. Oh my gosh. You go on and like turn those talk shows into content opportunities. Right. Maybe I can do that. So Matt and I started talking about how to build something. This was in 99. And we got approached by Sony and at the time they were putting money into this pre the internet. So they had like dial up internet and they wanted to make linear content for it, like a precursor to YouTube. Wow. And so they gave us a little bit of money and some other couple, some other people a little bit of money to try and make stuff. And we did, we made like 40 minutes of stop motion sketch content with action figures. And then we, you know, years later sold that to, I don't know. But it was kind of like our idea, you know, I was definitely like conceived by a group of people. I'm not the sole voice behind that is so amazing, dude.

53:22Dude, that is so cool. That's really cool. Are they making another Austin Powers? I know you can't tell us the question. You know, there's no, nobody's made any deals. Mike Myers is so vocal on the internet. Yeah. You know, I think I think it's making people decide whether they really want one. We got it. We want one. We want one. I'll say every time I wanted to mic, because Mike did one of the best impressions of my character, Joey Russo on Blossom on SNL, right? Oh, of course, I remember this. Yeah, he used to do it famously and it became so popular. And he was brilliant because he would never say anything other than the one word, but he would try to find ways to get to it. So you know, he'd be like, well, I mean, I just, whoa, I mean, whoa, and people would understand almost like another language. You know, Joey, that was beautifully said, you know, and he was, and I used to run into him all the time. And he'd be like, sorry, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry. You know, I feel like, no, Mike, you're doing great, man. You're doing great. So, so, so brilliant, you know, and I always say, I know everybody feels this way about

54:26the SNL that they grew up with, but that really was, man, I'm so talk about being thankful for growing up through. Oh, yeah. That's right. Bro, my God. The fact that we were able to see the Dana Carvey, you know, Dennis Miller, you know, SNL into. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Into Hartley. Oh, yeah. I mean, I mean, Mike Myers, Molly Shannon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Bro, we were able to see what was epic. What a run. It wasn't believed. My God. It was. One of the greatest franchises ever ever. Ever. I really appreciate that it continues to find and shepherd new stars. Me too. It is really cool. We'll four. Yeah. Like I'm in a team. Never hosted the show. Did you ever get to host? No. We always wanted to. They asked me. I asked you haven't done it. You would be so good on that. There were two times. There were two times when it could have worked.

55:28And one time, they offer awesome powers. They were like, oh, you can do it for that. The first time Ian McKellen hosted for Lord of the Rings. Oh, my God. And they were like, sorry, we gave it a spot to Ian. I was like, oh. And then the next time they were like, we think it's going to work out. We got you here for July. They're like, hammer DS is going to do it for trying to change. Oh, come on. Isn't that crazy, dude? Oh, I know. I think that happened to me a couple of times. Like a fourth one, maybe. Well, it would be a no brainer. And honestly, they really should have some people from our era do that because it would mean something, you know, because it meant so much to us. I mean, it was, it was everything. I know people still watch it and they enjoy it. But dude, I mean, I used to, I couldn't believe it. When my parents started to let us stay up and watch it. Oh, yeah. Bro, it was water cooler moment. Like the next Monday at school, we would go in doing church lady and Paul Hartman's. Remember, remember, remember when he used to host the show, you're just so damn sassy. So, I mean, so my, my, my, my, my, was me on that show.

56:30Yeah. It was, yes. It was off to beyond sassy. So, so funny. Phil Hartman's creepy talk. Oh, I remember, like, heading on the steps. Oh, yeah, dude. That's what I was watching. Oh, yeah, dude. Right. Dude, just seeing Eddie Murphy and my god. Oh, my god. I want to do that. Oh, my god. I just want to do this. I mean, acro, jabby chase. I mean, Steve Martin. I mean, I mean, saying, yeah, it's insane. Just don't worry, even though that didn't, and those, those skits, I mean, those sketches are just brilliant, literally brilliant. Yeah, just like that. I mean, the church lady, I still laugh about it. It's just, Dana Carving. I think you could do it. Has he, has he revived church lady? The church lady do some benefit recently. I feel like, oh my god, please. I feel like we saw her in the last 10 years. I really, I, he should always, you know, I love his pod with spade. It's so fun. Oh my god. Oh my god. Yeah, I mean, but don't worry. You might be one of the greatest living comedic talent. I agree with you 100%. I agree with you 100%. I agree with you 100%. I mean, they were, they were just cut from such a different cloth.

57:31Even John Loebans. Is this so funny? Oh, so funny. So funny. I did a pile with him for ABC. I've gotten to make two movies with them over such a spread. I worked with him when I was just turned 14. No, that's not true. I worked with him when I was 12, 12, just turning 13. And then I worked with him again in my 20s. And it was, and that's great because he's like such an older guy now. Yeah. Dude, whenever you see him, dude, first of all, this man does not forget a thing. He has a memory like a trap. He does. He absolutely does. He always hits me with the same sass. Oh, hello Seth. I know. Hello, man. I just got a Joey Lawrence. It's like, I just ran into him. I mean, literally, literally, what are you doing? You know, I was like, I'm doing good. We did a pilot together for ABC that was actually really great and got caught up in a hole. Let's go where a president got fired and the new president comes in and cans everything. But it was, it was, believe it or not, it was myself and Sophia Pagara and it was created by Don Rio who created Blossom and it was about, it was called I married Sophia.

58:32It was essentially fool's Russian meets Green Card. So I was a successful attorney in Vegas meets this beautiful lady. I'm like, oh, you know what? We wake up. We're married. But it's not a bad thing. She needs a green card. She's going to come to New York. I'm telling all my friends. It's an amazing thing. And my friends are both. And she's smokingly attractive. No, and she shows up and she shows up. This was in 2004 right before modern family and she shows up and she has her parrot, her mother, her niece. It's like all these people that are in my apartment. I'm like, come on, it's a nightmare and all my friends, Damon Wayne's directed. It was brilliant. It was really, and John Loveich shows up as our I an S agent to make sure I am married. And dude, it was brilliant. And then yeah, the old president got into a little. Yeah, it was awesome. It was awesome. It was amazing. It was so painful whenever the new boss comes in. I can't. Oh, guys, think how many times that's happened. It's just something is all set. And you can't even believe the stars of the line. Yes. Yes. You know, like, hey, listen.

59:33Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or like Dave, whoever it is, the, hey, that guy who's there, he's not there anymore. I know. So I listen, Jerry's coming in and he just doesn't think any of this development is going to work. Yeah. I know. I know. I know. That happens a lot. We sold a show not that long ago and that happened. We were so excited about it. Yeah. Here we go, guys. We were back. Yeah. We're back. Literally. We call it. They're like, oh, we're going to have to see. We're going to have to see. Like, what's going on with this project, yeah. Now what I've found and I'm sure you guys are finding the same thing that those barriers don't exist in the same way. Like, it's only if you're trying to sell them one of these majors. Yeah. Totally. But even the majors are starting to become so slow. And, um, big. Yeah. That they can't make these kinds of really deft and flexible decisions.

1:00:35And so I've been trying, I've been looking at a lot of people that are making things and either premiering them on YouTube or creating a deal with a smaller distributor, just to get them. to get the money to make it big. Dude, there you go. We're working with brands. Brands that want to have their branded content in creation now. Crazy. Yeah, we're all about that. I'm a partner in animation production studio and we do a ton of commercial work. Because brands still really want to spend on content that will make people like their brand. And I have found there's a tremendous balance available between the stuff that you want to make and the stuff that the brand wants to put out there. Yeah, so you've got to find the right fit. 100%. I agree with you on that. Yeah. That's exactly where our business has really transitioned to a lot now. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And that's where that's even more that conversation, right?

1:01:35Like what is success? Yeah, well that's it. Yeah. I mean, honestly today it's a lot of it's just doing it. I mean, success is just doing it. You know, we're, yeah, I mean, we're messing around with it. We're doing a little micro, you know, comedy, right? Vertical comedy called the Lawrence Brothers Show and we partnered up with Andrew Penae and a great team. The guys did the wedding crashes and stuff. I love Penae. Penae's best. He's great. Give me a guy, I will. I will. I will. Old dogs together. Oh, yeah. Yeah, exactly right. You did. So I've known Penae for years. We've all known Penae and we partnered up with him. We're doing this little micro vertical comedy. And it's, you know, it's out. The short form is on IG, the minute 22nd episodes, the long formals. He's on Lawrence Brothers Show Facebook and YouTube and dude, it's just like you said, it's just, we're just doing it. I mean, we're just doing it. Well, yeah, that's it. Yeah, because we can integrate, we can integrate everything in that. In that. Yes. All that everything a brand wants and it's a dynamic. Yes. Yes. We're not trying to sell things. I mean, it's great. It's really cool. Yeah, man. So, you know, we're just, we're just, we're just continuing to churn and burn, baby. That's very new.

1:02:35I mean, this is all new to us. It's brand new. And it's, and no, we're hardly pioneers, but we're definitely, yeah, a tempting new, new stuff, new stuff, new stuff, just new stuff all the time. Well, we got to do something together. Yeah. We got to do something to do something. I love running, I like just getting to see you guys with such a boost. Yeah. We were in some city at one of those cons and I couldn't believe you were all together. It's like, it's hard. It's, I don't know. I feel like it's a straight for the audience can't possibly understand. I think. Like the, the relationship we've had over our lives. I know. What it was to be a kid going out on auditions anyway, with strange experience, that is you sort of pluck from school and you have to memorize your lines. You have to be in this adult world and have professional and then you walk into a hallway typically where the thing is raining and what? Yeah, you got a bunch of kids and their parents are either completely dismissive or totally

1:03:36hostile. Yeah. You just got to get together and then you got to go in there and not and do your best but also not have feelings about it. Right. And see all these people who are kind of like your friends because you're all sharing this experience but you only get to hang out with each other in this weird hallway. Yeah. Yeah. In this series of all ways. Crazy. I can still, unless you're lucky enough to work together. Right. You really get the good. You still remember the smell of those hallways back in New York City or the smell of the elevators up to when you go. It's like so visceral to me. They take your polaroid, they put it on your resume. Yeah. They're like, I would have a picture. They have. Yeah. They have. They have. They have. They have. They have. They have. They have. They have. They have. They have. They have. They have. They have. They have. They have. You can't let it go. You can't let it go. It's unrelated on a lot of ways, you know? But just so that's how it's able to have been school as a result just because I couldn't

1:04:39I literally couldn't fit in. There wasn't a way to fit in. I wasn't there enough. I know. No, I know. I didn't do it different. I know, dude. I know. But you know, like you said, we've done it. We continue to do it. We continue to work hard. We continue to be inspired and feel grateful. And then we continue to, you know, you know, we continue to run into people that we've known our whole lives and feel so finally for and are lucky to have known and continue to know which are people like you, dude. And it's so cool, dude, to see how you have carved out such an amazing thing for yourself. It really is. Yeah. Your brand is what you have done, dude. I always just sit back and I've always admired it. And because I knew you since you were young, it's like I just have this feeling of being proud every time I see what you've done. You've really done a really great job, man. I mean, it's mutual. I feel like we're all survivors. Yeah, it's awesome. I'm the first to act that any of us are. Let's go on what it is. But losing stuff is kind of amazing. Yeah, it is. It's so cool. It is. It is. And I still feel like we're all like when we're together, like I don't see you as, like,

1:05:41you know, you know, I had a grown, fully grown man. I don't see you like that. It's just so weird. And you know what I feel too. That's what all the adults said to me though, like I, right? Like yeah, I worked with so many people when I was young and they, they all talked about feeling essentially frozen in your 17 or 18 year old brain. That's it. Even though your body starts to fight you and what you're capable of. Yeah. You're still that you still can keep this. You can. That same joy, that same, that same point of inspiration. Yeah. You can. Yeah. For sure, dude. Well, it's been. Yeah. It's awesome. I also like that. I get the chance now because I'm the adult. So when I see kids, I don't, I really go out of my way to not make them feel weird. Not put too much attention on it. Right. Help them have the kind of matter of fact confidence. Yeah. But I had when people were like, oh, you're here to do this thing. All right, let's walk it through. I'll show you how to do it and not be like, you got a little guy. Yeah. You know, whatever. You know what I mean? Just just be like, okay, what's your name?

1:06:43You want to do this? All right, I'll show you how. Are you going to put your foot here? This is how it's going to work. Like whatever it is. I love getting to be on the other side of it because I had so many adults who were awesome. I had enough that been sucked. Yeah. Absolutely. I don't want to do that. I got sucked. I know. Oh, yeah. I know. We've all had our taste of both sides. It really is cool to pay it forward the right way. Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, this has been awesome. It has been a blast hour and something, man. We got to have you back. You got to come anytime you want to come back. We got to hang out or do something off. I love that. I'm in LA. I got to travel a little at the end of the month, but I'll be back. I'll be back. We're here through the holidays too. All right. So let's really do something. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. Okay. Yeah, buddy. And get well. Thank you for being here even though even with a cold. Yes. I can't. You know, he's a pro. He didn't cancel. I know. Today's the day. I could be like, you know what? I can't do that. I got a little sniffing.

1:07:43It's starting to run and I don't want to put my best foot forward so I'm out. Yeah. Possibly I have video, I mean, dabbing my nose. Yes. You won't let it all that out. Don't worry. I've done so few embarrassing things on film. This would be the highlight. There you go. There you go. Oh, God. Everybody. Yes. Let's bring everybody in. Thanks for joining us. Thank you for joining us out there. Please like and subscribe on our YouTube. Check out online merch. And thanks for tuning in. We will see you guys all next week. Next week. Thank you everybody for joining us here on the brotherly love pod. Please like and subscribe on our YouTube. And check out our online merch store. You can find the link in our show description. And we will see you next week. Next week. Next week.