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0:00Nicky Glazer, this stunning tour. The thoughts of death I don't like to dwell on them for longer than like 10 or 15 hours a day, so... November 19th, Yamabah Theater No wonder women rushed to have kids were being trained for it since we were kids. They're like, here's a baby doll. Here's an easy-bait coffin! I got one of those, I stuck my head in it. I was like, I want out of this narrowness. Tickets on sale now at Yamabah Theater.com Don't miss Nicky Glazer, Yamabah Theater. G'day and welcome to Reality Check Q&A where you guys get to ask me the questions. And here to throw them at me is my colleague and good friend. Megan Mick, G'day Mick and how are you? I'm doing great Ross and where in the world are you my friend? I am on the south coast of Victoria at a place where there is an alleged hotspot of UAP sightings, golden orbs in the sky.

1:04And I'm doing a story that I will be bringing Reality Check shortly that examines the idea of neuro-meditative signaling, or what Dr. Stephen Greer calls CE5. The idea that the human mind somehow has an ability to telepathically, psychically, sionically communicate with the phenomenon, whatever it is. It's been a fascinating shoot. Now I'm looking forward to bringing it to you. We are excited for that Ross. Let's get to the big news of the day. Our friend David Grush, he was on Joe Rogan, that episode just dropped. What did you give us the big highlights? Okay, it's not a huge amount that's new in what David's told Joe today. It's more an expansion on what he's already said. What I did have as a big takeaway though was for the first time we were getting a kind of an idea from David of the shape of the legacy program. How has this been concealed so effectively for so many years?

2:08And what David's described is what he's already alluded to, which is this idea that there are existing special access programs, secrets, if you like, waved and acknowledged special access programs that are probably given benign titles with program roles that are nothing to do with UAPs. And that the UAP side of it, the legacy program side of it is frankly illegally hidden within those compartmentalized programs. And the implications of this are that it makes it incredibly hard to find. In fact, one of the things I enjoyed listening to David talk about was the fact that he had this situation himself where he was aware of things that he was investigating that he only blatantly became to realize were linked to the UAP program. He only learned later that a top secret program he worked on was a UAP search program looking for craft.

3:08He just didn't know it. And if somebody like David Grush doesn't know it, how could other people within the US military who weren't so attuned to the possibility of a cover up, know it? So that's important. He also, I think, clarified the fact that yes, there is classified executive orders from presidents from decades ago that are being used to legitimize this program. Presidential findings. I think the ones we've talked about in the past are presidential emergency action directives, peeds. And essentially a lot of this is can be concealed as he's talked about previously behind atomic energy secrets. One of the things that it's very hard even for presidents to find out about secrets that are concealed within the atomic energy act because quite rightly the laws that protect our atomic bomb atomic nuclear secrets are used to essentially hide the secrets, for example, of making thermonuclear bombs.

4:08And other things like that. And of course the thing that we've learned is that within that whole story, there are other things that are hidden within that program. So it's an enormous issue. Basically we've got a problematic situation where even Congress can't get behind the secrecy rules, the gags, the executive orders because there's a whole structure, a secret state set up behind it. But my big takeaway, actually the most positive thing that I got, and I'll go back to the negatives in just a sec, is the fact that it does look like the Trump administration is serious. It does look like from what David's saying there is active consideration being given by the government to the idea of a potential disclosure. One of the things that frankly I found really quite chilling was an admission by David that there had been Americans killed at a crash site by alleged reptilian beings.

5:11This is one hell of an allegation. He admits it's hearsay at second hand from colleagues who were there. He says there was a tick-tax-shaped craft wedged in the ground with dead grays and living beings that he described as seven-foot tall retillians. US personnel apparently were hurt and killed in that exchange of fire and the beings were shot and killed as a result. It's pretty frightening to hear from the words of a man who says he was investigating this legacy program that there have been violent exchanges between humans and non-human beings. It's frightening. It's concerning. He also validated the idea that we can bring craft down. He referred to if we force these craft down in one of his conversations with Joe, which obviously strongly suggests that we have been. The other thing that was my big takeaway was the fact that he admitted that there is allegedly an undersea base. He said the Navy tracks a large base of operations operated by NHI non-human intelligence on the ocean from the US.

6:22This is something that even a reputable former senior Navy and no-a-person Admiral Tim Gallaudet has speculated about. David said that the base that he knows about is the size of multiple city blocks. He said nobody knows how long it's been there and he assumes the government has studied its behavior closely enough to guess what it's for. In a reference to that horror film The Abyss from the late 80s, he said The Abyss is kind of a docusy drama. That's one hell of a claim from David. The inevitable rejoinder I'm sure from a lot of the debunkers will be, oh you know this is just David Grush saying this. He doesn't know any of this information directly. But indeed a lot of what David is talking about is his direct knowledge. He actually talks for example about how he saw videos classified videos contemporary videos that were filmed at a retrieval of an alien spacecraft.

7:24He says all of these retrievals are filmed and he says in the video that he saw he saw three or four beings that looked almost human but they had a kind of a bluey grayish tinge and they were wearing form fitting suits. He said interestingly enough, he said they were very very beautiful which is quite interesting because this is something that Tom DeLong all these years ago talked about. He talked about these kind of godlike beings and I'm just wondering whether this term has come from this because apparently these are extremely beautiful beings. The tragedy was of course they were killed in the course of the crash. But according to David their bodies were preserved and their genomes have indeed been compared to us because they're so similar. And there are biological assessment reports that David admits he's aware of but he wasn't cleared to see. And I think one of the reference he made was to General Neil McCasland. He gave credit to General Neil McCasland.

8:31The currently missing US former US Air Force general who told Tom DeLong think of the Greek gods when you think of these beings. It's a really interesting detail and as we know McCasland disappeared in February. There's still a mystery about his disappearance. And look, my big takeaway though from what David talked about was basically that it is the case that disclosure was killed off in 2004. And as we've speculated about on reality check, it had a lot to do apparently with the issue of contractor liability. Apparently for decades during this whole legacy program, a lot of and as we've said this select private aerospace companies got no bid contracts. That was all justified on the basis of keeping the program small but effectively the whole program was privatized. It was put out into private companies.

9:35And what this has meant is that a lot of these companies have done their own research that spent their own money on the material and they've sold the results back to the government. But we've got a ridiculous situation where I do think it is quite possible that one of the reasons why we are not getting disclosure is because as we've speculated about many times before on reality check, a lot of this has been privatized into private aerospace companies that regard this knowledge and indeed this technology as their own. In common law, after a while if you have possession of property and there's no contractual restraints on your possession of that property, it would appear that the government may potentially have handed over probably the most valuable technology and human existence to private aerospace companies that probably quite legally, legitimately regard this property as technology as their own. Wouldn't it be incredible and absolutely bloody outrageous, Megan? If it turned out that the reason why we're not getting disclosure is because the government would be facing legal challenges in the courts if they revealed all because private companies, the arrogance of these people,

10:47regard this as their private contractual information, how outrageous that would be. And I just point people to the fact that one of the companies that David Grush highlighted in his work with representative Eric Burleson is the MITRE Corporation and of course other companies have been named as well, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman. Are these companies in position of exotic technology that they indeed regard as their private IP and is that the issue that is frustrating the government's ability to tell the public the truth of the matter? My biggest takeaway though, Megan to finish this off is that frankly I find it interesting that David seems a lot more optimistic than I've been recently about the chances of the Trump administration making a disclosure. It's clear from what he's saying that there is certainly discussion internally about that possibility and I guess we just have to hold our breath and wait and see what comes out of the MIT Terbs.

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14:12This is the same plan I use. Click the link in the description or scan the QR code on your screen to see through the narratives. Nick Eglaser, this stunning tour. The thoughts of death I don't like to dwell on them for longer than like 10 or 15 hours a day. So... November 19th, Yama Vaugh Theater. No wonder women rush to have kids we're being trained for it since we were kids. They're like, here's a baby doll. Here's an easy-bait coffin. I got one of those. I stuck my head in it. I was like, I want out of this narrative. Tickets on sale now at YamaVaugh Theater.com. Don't miss Nick Eglaser. Yama Vaugh Theater. Closhopping really isn't my thing. But I still want to look sharp and feel confident. That's why I use StitchFix, the OG Personal Styling Service. No more scrolling through websites or wasting my day at the store. My stylist sends pieces picked just for me straight to my door, free shipping, free returns.

15:14No subscription required. Get started today at StitchFix.com. That's StitchFix.com. All right, well that will flow directly into our next question, Ross, and funnily enough. It is from In Grush We Trust. G'day Mates, Big Fan of the Show. How does Ross feel about the state of disclosure if the Republicans lose the midterms? Is disclosure screwed if they lose? That is a really good question. And I've been doing a lot of research asking exactly that question. Because it is a big concern. I would have to say that the evidence suggests that at the moment, the Republican side of the House, the government side of the House and the current administration, have been far more at spoken and publicly determined to get to the truth of the matter than a lot of the Democrats who, frankly, seem to have faded and diminished in their acclamation of the idea for disclosure.

16:16What that means though, I really don't know. I mean, the biggest vulnerability would be in the House. Annapur Lena Luna is the chair of the House Oversight Committee's task force on the declassification of federal secrets. And as you know, she's been using that position to push the Pentagon for UAP videos and records and to assess arrow the Pentagon's UFO office's performance. You know, in April, she formally demanded additional UAP material from the Department of War. If the Republicans lost the House, the Committee chairmanship's and investigative priorities would almost certainly change. Luna would be able to continue advocating for disclosure, but she wouldn't control a committee or a task force agenda unless the new Democrat majority chose to preserve that structure. It is interesting. I think it deserves mention that Republicans, such as Eric Burleson and Annapur Lena Luna,

17:16Tim Burchett have become extremely persistent on the House side. Burleson's revised UAP Disclosure Act language actually made it into the House National Defense Authorization Act in July, 2026. It wasn't purely Republican legislation though. The amendment did have bipartisan sponsorship from Democrats and Ray Carson and Jared Moskowitz alongside Burleson Luna, Ellie Crane and Nick Bigich. So a Democrat House would not necessarily terminate the disclosure effort. It would probably change who controls it. And the interesting thing is we are going to be seeing some very tight and interesting contests in the coming midterm elections. There are still people like Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, who is one of the most consequential legislators in the entire UAP field.

18:22As a Democrat, she was central to creating and strengthening Arrow and has repeatedly pushed for declassification. And in May 2026, she said that the government is legally obliged to disclose UAP records and that much, much more work needs to be done. So I don't think it's just a Republican thing. I think both sides of the House are interested in disclosure, but I think to be fair, it would be fair to say that the Republicans have generally been more outspoken. But is interesting, I think, is the possibility that some of the people on the UAP caucus may lose their seats. And there are a couple of people, individual politicians who are under threat. Two House members have got materially competitive 2026 General Election races, Jared Moskowitz, who's a Democrat, has the clearest electoral exposure. He's running in Florida's now redrawn 25th congressional district. He's got a Republican opponent, Scott Singer, the mayor of Boca Raton, and millions of dollars are being spent to try and topple Jared Moskowitz's huge amount being targeted against him.

19:37And this matters to disclosure, because Moskowitz has been one of the Democrats prepared to work publicly with Republicans, such as Luna, Burleson and Birchette. So maybe people in that congressional district should be asking Scott Singer very, very closely what his position is on UAPs and funding out whether he's prepared to make a commitment as a Republican to the possibility of supporting UAP disclosure. Anna Paulina Luna is also facing a real contest. Her Florida 13th district is very, very competitive. She faces a Democrat called Lila Gray, who's a highly credentialed Army Brigadier General retired. And the polls are suggesting that Gray is 51% to Luna's 46%. But you've got to be careful about that because that's a Democrat poll. But independent analysts are now suggesting the seat is worth watching. It's up and down.

20:37And that would have huge consequences for disclosure, because as I've said earlier, Anna Paulina Luna is the chair and the quite feisty, admirably feisty chair of the House oversight task force on the declassification of federal secrets. And she's used that role very, very well to aggressively pursue UAP material witnesses and Pentagon records. So if Republicans lose control of the House, which is increasingly looking quite likely, probable is that Luna would lose that chairmanship of that committee, even if she personally wins reelection. Eric Billerson, I think he's in a much stronger position, Eric's in the Missouri 7th district. And I don't think anybody regards that as being competitive at the moment. He's pretty solid. Obviously, what would change is his power within Congress if Republicans lose the House. He could continue introducing amendments, working with Democrats and questioning witnesses. But the majority party, which looks increasingly likely to be Democrat, would be in control of the committee chairmanship.

21:45The hearing schedules, the subpoena authority committee investigative priorities, which bills go to the House and so much more of the House floor machinery. So the big risk at the moment is that Republicans, we all know so well, might lose their institutional leverage. And we really don't know it's an unknown quantity, what the Democrats in the new House will be able to position themselves out. Tim Birchett, mercifully looks like he's going to be electrically insulated. He's in Tennessee 2nd district. And it's not regarded as a competitive race. Tim's pretty safe there. Andre Carson's pretty safe. He's a Democrat. He's in Indiana 7th district. And it's not really that competitive. And he was the chair of the May 2022 House Intelligence, UAP hearing, where frankly, admirably, the Democrats took a very strong position in being open and pushing for transparency on UAPs.

22:46Senator Mike Brown's seat is not on the front line. He's particularly important because he's not just rhetorically pro-disclosure. He had Chuck Schumer with the principal Senate sponsors of the UAP Disclosure Act, which pushed for the disclosure of UAP records, government transparency and used words like alleged technologies of unknown origin and alleged non human intelligence. It was a hunting area of a piece of legislation. He's up for reelection in South Dakota. He's up against an independent candidate formally associated with the Democrat party. But at the moment, it's looking reasonably safe for Senator Mike Brown's. Senator Kirsten Gillibrand is not running in these midterms. She was reelected in 2024, so she's not facing voters. The big issue is if the Democrats as a peer-likely capture the House, but Luna wins Florida, Billis and wins Missouri, Birchett wins Tennessee, Moskowitz wins in his Florida seat, and Carson remains and runs remains in the Senate.

23:53Gillibrand and Schumer remain in place. You would then have virtually the entire existing bipartisan UAP coalition still in Congress, but the House investigative apparatus would have changed hands. That's important because frankly, I have to say that the people on the Senate side have been more than a bit flaccid recently. I haven't heard, and I think we should expect more from any of the Democrats senators in terms of speaking out on UAP Disclosure. So the big questions are, would a Democrat oversight chairperson retain Luna's declassification task force? I sure hope they do because it's been incredibly effective and important. Would Luna be a ranking member? Again, I hope so. Would the Democrats appoint Moskowitz, Carson or someone else to run the investigation? Geez, I hope so. Moskowitz and Carson are good hands, and it would be great to see them taking an aggressive role on this.

24:54It would also be great to see the Democrats if they have a strengthened position in the House to try and push through the legislation that would allow greater oversight and accountability. So yeah, I mean, there are a lot of questions there, frankly, Megan, and frankly, I don't think we know the answer. All right, don't kill me, but I rearranged the order of some of the questions. So this can blow a little better off the things that you've said. So it's kind of your fault. So sorry about the notes. Michael Dean on X, Tom DeLong interview, whatever happened. Well, it's really up to Tom. I had a long conversation with Tom off the record about two months ago, and it was a privilege to be able to speak to him extremely candidly. The offer is there, Tom. I know he watches reality check, and by golly, it would be a fascinating interview right now. I would love to talk to Tom. He's got some really interesting things to say, especially in light of the disappearance of General Neil Macasland, who I have absolutely no doubt was one of the generals that was talking to Tom DeLong and briefing him about the legacy program.

26:09It's deeply disturbing that General Neil Macasland has disappeared. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that he has been lost or killed in the bush somewhere. I reiterate that there's no evidence that General Neil Macasland was ever seen leaving his home. That's an incredible mystery. And one I would love to question Tom about. It's really up to Tom. Ultimately, he has to decide whether he wants to be interviewed. Tom, the offer is always there. I would love that so much. Please Tom. Hello Ross and Megan. Do you have any news about the strange case of the missing scientist? I tried to find any updates. I can't see anything new. Thanks and love your show kind of regards Caroline. I think it's time we made a very clear statement about the so-called missing scientist's class. We've spoken about this before. And I do think a lot of this is a red herring. There is a real cluster of deaths and unresolved disappearances involving people from NASA, JPL, Los Alamos, the Air Force and other technical institutions.

27:22The proposition that these people were all UAP connected scientists being systematically eliminated in some kind of dark conspiracy. I have to say and I hate to prick this bubble because people love to believe this. It's not supported by the current public evidence. There are a small number of cases in that cluster that I am very concerned about that do genuinely merit continued investigation, especially because the people remain missing and one of them of course is General Neil Macaslin or because important key circumstances are unresolved. Let's be clear there isn't even a definitive list of missing scientists and not all of them are scientists about seven of them were scientists in the ordinary professional sense another two were highly qualified engineers technical professionals. So let's say on a generous definition you get to about nine out of the 14 people who've been described as scientists at least five of them plainly weren't scientists despite them being repeatedly described that way online.

28:32And of all of those 14 people only one maybe two of those cases had even a relatively strong claimed UAP connection that's Matthew Sullivan and General Neil Macaslin. Another two or three might be able to be called UAP adjacent by stretching UAP to include the fact that these people were involved in exotic propulsion research possibly anti gravity research or advanced aerospace materials, but that's a bit of a stretch. There is no publicly established evidence that any of these deaths or disappearances were caused by a person's knowledge of UAPs and I'm really worried frankly that this whole missing scientist story has become a bit of a distraction. So let's say 50% or so of them were missing scientists it is true that an unusual collection of technically connected people have died or disappeared I accept that the FBI is confirmed it was looking for connections NASA said it was cooperating and frankly at the moment there hasn't been any connections publicly admitted.

29:47The claim has also been made that they were all scientists working on highly sensitive nuclear or aerospace technology and that's false that's just not true a substantial portion of them weren't scientists some had relatively mundane roles despite working inside prestigious or secure installations. Another claim was that they were connected all of them to UAP UFO research and frankly that's mostly unsupported there are one strong alleged UAP whistleblower case the Matthew Sullivan case which I am gravely concerned was a murder certainly that's what David grush thinks there's one real UFO community advanced aerospace connection Macaslin and we know Macaslin was to research. So I'm going to go through the back to Tom Belong intimately involved in briefing Tom Belong even though Tom's never admitted it by name. There are several exotic physics advanced propulsion associations in a large number of them with absolutely no demonstrated UAP connection whatsoever there's nothing like the viral claim that 10 or 11 UAP scientists suddenly vanished.

31:01The killer claim which I frankly have to debunk is that all of these people all of these 14 people were either murdered or disappeared to suppress UAP disclosure or advanced technology. I'm sorry I just don't believe there is any persuasive public evidence for this in fact several important cases in that cluster actively push against it. Nino the rear row he was murdered his case has been extensively investigated by the FBI and local police there is an identified attacker with an unrelated grievance that has nothing at all to do with a conspiracy involving UAPs. Carl Grulma has again an identified alleged killer and an apparently conventional criminal context. Jason Thomas appears to have entered the lake where he died when sadly tragically he was extremely in grief and his own wife confirms that he was terribly upset by the death the very recent death of his parents and the police have been categorical that there was no foul play.

32:16Amy escroges case even though I do think that there are grave concerns about the circumstances of the run up towards her death I think it's more consistent to be frank her death with the possibility the plausibility that she was driven to her own suicide by some kind of harassment that she was suffering. I'm persuaded by the idea that Amy was suffering some kind of targeting or harassment by directed energy weapons there is quite persuasive evidence to suggest that. Matthew Sullivan did die from a accidental mix supposedly according to police of alcohol and medications. But again there are grave concerns about the circumstances of his death and Joshua Leblanc even though it's a very strange case he did die in a police documented vehicle collision. Ninh Lee died elderly after Alzheimer's disease this is not the signature one would expect from a coherent professional conspiracy or assassination campaign it's a collection of natural deaths suicide possible self harm accidents conventional homicide murder disappearances in the wilderness and unresolved missing person cases.

33:42Yes there are tens of thousands of people that are employed by NASA JPL the efforts research labs MIT the Department of Energy and numerous aerospace companies and research institutions and if you were to respectively search several years of anyone who worked for those institutions you would find dead people. It doesn't necessarily mean they died in a conspiracy so what are the odds that these 14 people died in a conspiracy. I don't think there is any credible analysis demonstrating that all of them died but I think there are individual cases that are rightly suspect and frankly there's nothing that has come out of either any of the congressional inquiries or the FBI inquiries to suggest that there is. Anything that links this back to the UAP program other than I still have reservations about the Matthew Sullivan death and the disappearance of General Neil McKaslan I hope in prey general Neil McKaslan is still alive and somewhere in a deep underground military bunker that we just don't know.

34:56I think that's probably all I can say Megan. Nicky Glazer this stunning tour the thoughts of death I don't like to dwell on them for longer than like 10 or 15 hours a day so. November 19th Yama Vaugh Theater no wonder women rush to have kids were being trained for it since we were kids they're like here's a baby doll here's an easy bake oven I got one of those I stuck my head in it I was like I want out of this narrative tickets on sale now at Yama Vaugh Theater dot com don't miss Nicky Glazer Yama Vaugh Theater. Where some see heroes and other see egos bloomberg sees the era of billionaire athletes while others follow the noise. We follow the money learn more at bloomberg dot com. All right we'll move on to a question from Alex cats Rossis the friend that we met when we were last in DC does Ross remember that house break in that the then national security adviser Jake Sullivan reported in late April 2023 the one where they're intruder somehow managed to slip past the secret service detail going in and out of the premises.

36:08The one where nothing else was ever publicly shared are you an investigation of the incident the one that occurred only two months after we engage kinetically with the Chinese spy balloon and three subsequent UAP after which Biden tasked him with the UAP portfolio coincidence or message. There was no incident. Yes there was a break in the Washington Post reported this in May of 2023 I think. Well actually the incident happened in May of 2023 and it was it was about probably eight or nine weeks after the shoot done over a lasker in the continental United States. In the case that Jake Sullivan who was then the national security adviser had been personally tasked by president Biden with leading a government wide effort on unman and unidentified aerial objects following those February 2023 shoot downs. There was no public evidence though that the intrusion at Jake Sullivan's place was connected to the UAP issue the Chinese balloon shoot down all the other objects that were engaged.

37:22It is a very unusual incident and frankly I'm really surprised there hasn't been more aggressive investigative journalism by the American investigative journalism media into the failures by the intelligence. Community and the secret service in both the multiple assassination attempts on the president president Trump and also security lapses quite appalling security lapses like this one by the secret service involving Jake Sullivan's Washington home as the national security adviser Jake Sullivan had every right to expect that his home was being protected. And that his family was safe we ask public servants like Jake to do things that are incredibly risky because they're imbued and in doubt with government secrets and we don't we don't want them being able to be accessed frankly by people who might pose a threat and what happened was really quite extraordinary there was late one night at Sullivan's home.

38:22If you accept the official story some guy who was on a bender walked straight into Sullivan's home the front door was unlocked and about three in the morning he literally just walked in through the front door Sullivan was upstairs and the secret service who should have been at the front of the house and should have been monitoring this didn't intercept this person Jake Sullivan heard the front door open went downstairs to investigate and discovered a stranger in his life. There was no violent confrontation to his great credit Jake kept as cool there was no forced entry but incredibly whoever this bloke was he wasn't apprehended by the dopey burgers from the secret service who was supposed to be protecting the national security adviser. There was one male intruder and I think the official explanation has been that he was just drunk and he walked into the wrong house and walked out again but what does it say that he was able to evade the secret service and that the national security adviser himself had to actually deal with him in his home.

39:29And what does this say about failures by the secret service and frankly why aren't the rest of the media asking more aggressive questions about not just the failures of the secret service in that regard but also this is something I've been thinking about having a look at for reality check the quite extraordinary failures at Butler when somebody was able to actually shoot at the president and Nick is ill over an incredible series of circumstances frankly I find it. Utterly implausible that the secret service that I've had to deal with myself as a journalist would possibly have allowed that kind of a grigorous security failure what the hell is going on and it does appear that in the last few years there have been serious failings and the secret service and I do think we should all be asking far more requested aggressive questions about why there there hasn't been more aggressive investigative journalism into having a really close look at those cases.

40:29I personally would love to do something on the various attempts against the president's life it's quite extraordinary that you've had I think three assassination attempts against Trump and why haven't there been more if this I suspect if it was a Democrat president there would have been more aggressive investigations I find it quite extraordinary that there haven't been massive investigations into the these attempts and I do find it interesting that some of the more interesting investigative journalism is being done online media online podcasts why aren't the New York Times or the Washington Post or the LA Times devoting their considerable investigative resources into going into the detail of the alleged failures for example at Butler. Ray, I will help you produce that any day back to the inbox high Ross and Megan greetings from India I'm a regular viewer every alley check and as a growing audience here following the global UAP discussion and Ross's work on disclosure given India's nuclear capability military scale radar networks and increasingly ambitious space program what do we actually know about its UAP encounters investigations or government interests have Ross's sources ever prepared for this.

41:52Point of information within India's military intelligence or scientific establishment and do governments quietly compare notes on this subject I really enjoy the thoughtfulness and curiosity you will bring to a topic that is otherwise easily sensationalized thank you Rishabha. I love this question because I want to come to India I love India I spent I when I was a probably about 18 year old boy I hitchhiked all around India and I had such a good time and I've been back to India for work a few times and I have been following a number of really interesting cases in India and talking to journalists and investigators in India with a view to its some stage persuading my bosses at New York. I want to tell you guys to fly me to India to come and tell a story particularly one that I want to tell about a group of Indian government scientists who are in the Himalayas who and this is a very very well reported incident were in the middle of nowhere in the Himalayas looked across a valley and saw a robotic humanoid being moving across a landscape and they took photographs and there are multiple

43:08scientific witnesses to this incident and I really haven't seen outside of India I've seen a few Indian stories and I've tried to translate them on AI I really haven't seen an exhaustive investigation into that whole story. There are some great Indian stories I've been talking to people including one person I spoke to at a senior level in the Indian military who contacted me to tell me that there were a anomalous objects being seen over Indian nuclear weapons installations and the person that contacted me was very sensitive about talking publicly because of course these are highly protected weapons and one doesn't want to reveal their locations but they also told me that the Pakistanis who are at times adversaries of the Indians have been up in the Hindu cushion watched the Indian Army throw shells at the Pakistanis and the Pakistanis throw shells back at the Indian and it was all very gentlemanly and polite but it was kind of a control violence that was a little bit scary but the interesting thing is that we do focus a lot of our energy and time in the world on conflicts in the Middle East and Europe, Ukraine but there is an ongoing cold war if you like between India and Pakistan and both of them are nuclear powers and the thing that fascinates me is that there is UAP and India.

44:34It is UAP and Cursion reporting happening in India over sensitive sites I've spoken to government scientists I've spoken to Indian military I've also spoken to one person in Pakistan but there are a little less forthcoming. If there's anyone in India that wants to share information with reality check please get in touch because Megan and I would love a trip to India. Absolutely. All right, Rasa, that's it for today. Thank you so much. Thank you so much Megan and of course if any of you have any questions that you'd like to send us here at reality check you can send your questions to reality check at newsnationnow.com and please don't forget of course you should always watch us on YouTube but if you do want to listen to us while you're in the shower or in the car you can listen to us on all good audio platforms including audible and Spotify. Thank you so much listeners and thank you so much Megan. Thanks Rasa.

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