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Test some Adale. Let's see, two, four, six, eight, nine lines down at the new Mishnah. I underline the term Khamayra and two lines later, underline Shreya Khamayra. So here we go. Khamayra, if you have a female donkey, call this Roman rule one. Shall I be sure that I did not have any offspring yet? The yaldas Shneesachar and then gave birth to two males, Nason Flach, how the kaying. So one sheep goes to the coin because only one of them came out first. And that's the first born and doesn't know which one, but one will accomplish everyone it is. Khamas al-Kwanay Kava. Let's say the twins that this female donkey had one male, one female. Also, we're not sure which one came out first. If the female came out first, then the male that came right afterwards is not the first born. Therefore, Maafresh Fleh on the possibility that it was the male that came out first, a sheep does have to be separated

out, a khad, but doesn't have to give it to the coin because maybe the female came out first, Le Attsmai. Period. Shne Khamayra. Let's say two female monkeys and the issue here is we're going to be we don't know the little babies. I'm not sure why we don't see which one they follow. Maybe that's not an absolute rule. But we're not going to we're not sure exactly which one they came from. So both of these female donkeys, we're going to have A, I put an A over here and struggled it. And four lines later, middle lines is Ah-Ha, I said, put a B over that and struggled that. So the A possibilities is if neither Shalai Bichru, neither had had Oscar before, Vialdu, and now they both read at the same time a birth, a little A, little B, a little C, little A, Shne Khamayra. So two males obviously each one had a male. Therefore, no, he's in Shne Khamayra. So the person will give two sheep, one sheep for each one of the first born donkeys,

look o into the coin, comma B. Let's say Zahar Nakeva. Let's say one of them had a male, one of them had a female, or Shne Kham in Nakeva. And one of them had two, excuse me, that between the two of them together, there were two males and a female. And they don't know which came first. And therefore, maybe the Nakeva came first in one of them. Maybe it didn't. So noisane, ehrad-le-kaihen would give one sheep to the coin, because like one for sure the male was first instead of the bachouwina, which one, but that'll cover it. And the other one is basically a suffix. Maybe the female came first, maybe the male. So like we had said already, previous in the mission, separated another sheep, but that one the owner keeps. See, Shne Kham-le-kaihen, Vizahar, two little females in a male, or Shne Kham-le-kaihen, or two males

and two females. Well, we don't know that any of those donkeys had the male come out first. And therefore, Ainkan-le-kaihen, the coin doesn't get anything. You might have to separate out another sheep or two and keep it for yourself, but nothing to the coin. Kama, and LDB cases. Let's say there's two female donkeys, but one of them had already given birth, acha, spech-ra, bacha, shlay-bichou, one of them had never had a baby donkey before. The yaldash-ne-zachar, and then two males are born to baby, males, you don't know which gave birth to which, but we know that definitely one of them who hadn't had any babies before gave birth to one, and therefore no since lach-ra-kaihen, one sheep to the coin. Kama, let's say the baby donkeys that came were Zachar, one of them had a male, one female, now did the male come from the mommy donkeys that had never had babies or the one that already had? And therefore, Maafish-tlach-ra-kaihen,

one sheep gets separated out, but doesn't go to the coin because maybe it doesn't go on to the coin there for lots of money, you can keep it. Semikolin, Shne-mar, there is a poster now, the reason for the Semikolin because he's going back on the earlier part of the mission, it says, Opetr-hamur-tifte-basset, what do you do with the first born donkey, you redeem it using a set, and a set is made of cosmic anything it could be from sheep or it could be from goats. Zachar, a cable could be male, it could be female, but if we had to do a big it could be a small tomem, obalmom it could be either blemishry or with blemishers. Kama, here's an interesting Allah, wo pleide blem-hamim harbe, so let's say we deem a first born donkey onto the sheep, give it to the colon and the colon says you know what, we later decide to give it back to that same guy, so okay, now he's got it back and it's totally fine as once the donkeys redeemed onto it, he can then pleide blem-hamim harbe, if he's got another first born donkey, you can also redeem it onto that same sheep. Kama also

Nikmas-ledir-lisa-ser, it goes into the Koral with all the new sheep for the year and it gets tithe, fein, mace, nannin-baya, and if it died you can certainly get benefit from it. Okay, says the Gamara-man-tana, who is the author of the Mishna that says when you have a female donkey that are never given birth and there's two male babies that are born and you basically get away with one sheep, who is that? Well, Amarabiyar-mya, I circular-biyar-mya, that's about a number one in the margin, this is the first lushion of the discussion about six lines later, first one line is lame-hype, number two in the margin, circle-do, that's going to be our second version. So Amarabiyar-mya, we encircled him, de-lo-krabil-sik-lu-li, one thing we know it's not the time to be a sick-lu-li, why? Do you abuse a glu-li? Ha-amar, he's the one who holds in general in all sort of life situations, Eftro-lit-sum-tane, Eftro-lit-sum-tane is the concept that you could actually have two things that

exactly the same time, which means the two male baby donkeys could have come out of the birthing canal at exactly the same time, so they're both the hores, and they're from the Shrek-an-pil-likam, because the bish-shed-de-gat-away-with-giving-one sheep, and they're both the hores, it has to, I guess, have two sheep. Amarabiyar, I circular-biyar-mya, abayar-mya, disagrees with-re-biyar-mya, abayar-s is a few-let-tane-re-biyar-sirk-li-li, no, you can even say that our Mishnah is really-sirk-li-li. Why? Well, shiny-hussam, it's a little bit different when you have, let's say, a sheep that had not yet given birth, and it has a first one, as opposed to the donkey. Dixiev, because it says, there, ha-zakharem-lahashem, that implies two, according to just that it has a-zakharem-lahashem, once it's a-zakharem-plural. Okay, why don't you just press it and say, everywhere, the ligh-marmine, eh? Well, because over there, when it comes to

first one sheep, as opposed to we're talking about first-born donkeys, ha-mi-e-dra-ch-mana, the puzzle says very clearly, ha-zakharem-li-zakharem-lahashem, that's not including, in other words, that would be the mew-dai-double-underlying-the-hay-kamma. That's the first-lush-shed-de-s-d-d-es-d-es-shem, Ramiya and Abayya. Ika, down-ree. I don't think Abayya actually is speaking to her, maybe it doesn't say Amr-lai, but these two opinions. Ika, down-ree. Lema, in the second version, coming off the mission, we would start the discussion by saying, should we say that our mission is to low-curveo-sake-lyli. As opposed to Ramiya, one who definitively was not, now we ask, why would it not be the Ramiya-guile? I'm not a ramiya-guile, if it was him, ha-marr, he's one who says, let's say, Amr-lai, and Alina-baye. No, a few of the tame-rabbi-o-sake-lyli could even be that our mission is going according to him. Shiny. Ha-sum is different over there, but I did the first-mortuary because it says, Zahar-rin, plural-ush-en, las-en. Okay, period. Now we have the two versions, version one and version

two, and we have Rabir-mi-la-baye in each one. Bishlam, I've vectored the term, Bishlam, and two lines later in the middle of the line, I vectored the term Ella. So let's see the question. Bishlam, I'll be your m-ya, de-lo-muki-la-curveo-s-e-ha-guile. He's one who says, our mission is not Rabir-mi-la-baye-o-sake-lyli. Well, high-new Delicatani, then it kind of makes sense that our mission was not presented as follows. I put a phrasemark in round the following four words, Yatsush, Ne-Rosh-e-hen, K-h-h-h-d, and both of the heads of these little newborns came out at the same time. And it would make sense because 100-year-m-ya that he says, actually, something, well, if that happened, it could be the book of mine at the same time. Kama, Ella, however, according to the Baye approach, we vectored the term Ella, and let's see the Rashi-Rashi is six lines from the bottom of the Rashi's. I have another du-ras-la-baye. De-ef-sure, let's say, ve-t-e-m-mi-sh-um-mu-t, and the reason is because it says, ha-z-ch-r-im, listen-y, why would the

mission have taught itself in the context of, like, an even a radar case, ve-yats-ure-sh-e-hen-k-h-h-h-d, both heads come out at the exact same time. De-sh-y-min-ya-bou-sou-b-e-ven-ya-baye-o-k-d-sh, Ella-baye-listen-y, what Sh-d-e-s-e-s-e-h-d-sh-n-k-h-h-h-d. Ve-o-y-d-tani-ya, and even further, we have a prisa, and the prisa-g-e-bou-sou-b-e-p-re-de-clear, the prisa-g-e-bou-sou-b-e-for-one-word, and two-and-a-half-lines, starts here. Ch-m-a-v-sh-le-b-ch-ra, ve-f-e-me-y-l-on-ky, never-doin-birth-be-for, the other sh-days-a-ch-r-im, and had two male-um, uh, little ones, the Yatsush-Nir-Rashan-Ka-Had, and what do you know? It's actually does say this one that had both of the heads of the two little ones came at the same time, Kam-Rabyo said, li-li-li-hu-y-underland-i-mar, he said, and couldn't be more clear than this. Sh-ne-ya-ma-kayan, they both go to the K-ane, sh-ne-ya-mar, the Pazok-s-s-s, uh, quote, two words, ha-z-ch-r-im-la-sh-s-em, the male-z-plur-o, go to the Lord. That's the end of the tank, source-connector,

from Haki-k-s-ee-f-hi. Now, or talking about over here, in that Pazok-a-z-ch-r-im-la-shem, we introduced it as being in the Bryce-a-a-fee-wild-onky, but the Pazok is talking about sheep, the K-dush-s-a-goof-who-dix-c-v, it's written by K-dush-s-a-goof-by-by-beh-hem-at-sah-h-ra. Question mark, exclamation point, comic-connector-a-lo, Mishum-sh-ne-mar-a must be the Pazok-s-s-s-h-h-z-ch-r-im-la-shem, by the first born of a-be-hem-at-sah-h-ra, that could be with some same, and therefore, like, same thing would probably say-be-at-sah-h-h-m-or, comma-t-y-o-t-a-by-h-t-o-t-is-indeed-wood-in-refute-the-a-by-a-approach. Period. Okay, well then, if we're going to go like the Rabana-vrabana-kama, should we then say-lemak-sah-rabana-miks-s-rach-em? Makt-ish? Doesn't it the entire Rechaum-t-sah-ra-nd-at-the-an-t-a-b-e-n-t-a-sah-ra-nd-a-one-m-m-smork-t-is-you have two coming out exactly the same time,

neither of them is going to have the birthing canal totally around it to eat clear Rechaum-makt-ish. If it's only the first one's got their holiness is going through the entire birthing canal, well, no, he de-es-shell, it's something true that, you know, you can't have it exact the same time, however, hasi-sami-a-i-ka. If you have the two born at the same time, but you can't really have the same time, but still, you know, each one will not have come into contact with the entire 360 degrees of the birthing canal. So, Amar-rav, well, yeah, that's assuming though that one would act as a khat-s-sa, a intervening substance or intervening thing in between the other one and the birthing canal. However, we know, Mindem-mini-e-ain-ai-kha-t-s-is. If you have one thing, another thing, and basically, both being born at the same time, they both grew up, you know, both grew in the womb at the same time, that's the same type of thing. Mindem-mini-e-ain-ai-kha-t-s-is. There is no khat-s-sa. The birthing continues, I put right angles in and said, Zok-un-khay-v-mah-f-r-sh-t-le, and asked it more now. The case where he has to separate out a sheeping of the sheep to the co-un fine,

but to separate out a sheep and put the wholeness of the first born donkey onto the sheep and then just like keep the sheep, why are you doing it? The cave-end of the lats-mah-hu since the sheep's going to the owner anyway, l'amalini-fru-shay-d'am, what's the whole procedure going on? You have the first born hamor, and then you take the hamor and you put it onto the sheep and this was a suffering and you keep the sheep anyway, so like what are you accomplishing? Oh, you're accomplishing something significant. Laf-kui-li-sure-mini-e. Because otherwise there's a isser that exists and you don't want to have something that is usher floating around. Alma, the implication of this is then Kolkama Delight-Mafka. It's like you haven't redeemed the first born hamor. Asurbhanno, apparently, would be forbidden to get any benefit from it. Okay, well then who is the author of our mission? Which snake opinion says that? Mustnese and Mane question markama, who's our mission going according to? Rebih-hu-di-hi-dis-sanya. If the fallen braids which introduces us to two approaches, Rebih-hu-da and Rips-shimin.

Petr hamor, the first born of the donkey. Asurbhanno, is actually totally forbidden to get benefit from and I actually wrote in here. Should say, Divre-rebih-yah-hu-da. And I put a review to his name and Baal Shrubh-hu-da. Rips-shimin, we also bought some matzir. He says, no, it would be what they're the first born donkey. If it hadn't been redeemed, it's what's your banal. Okay, the Gamar-da-o is going to explain the reasoning behind each one of those two tonneye. So let's go to approaches to the explanation. Approached number one starts here. I put a big Roman numeral one in the margin here and about the third wide line, the middle of the line that says, e by his aim, I squeal under that with a big Roman numeral two and the margin across from that line. So let's do the first approach. My time uh, and I double in the word time. The reason I did that is because on the first wide line, else is my time and I double in the line that because we're going to ask what's the reason Rebih-hu-da and Rebih-shimin. And then we'll do the same thing when we get the first wide line there. So what's the reasoning of Rebih-hu-da? Who says that the first one donkey is usurbhanno,

to get benefit from? Well, Amar-hu-la and I don't know his name, he says, Yehish-l-hadovah shedsar-padi-hu-hut-r, is there anything like in all of Allah that you're familiar with that you have to redeem it yet before you redeem it, it's totally permissible. Let this make sense, it must be it's like forbidden and you redeem it and you take that forbidden issue off of it. Okay so the more it turns around and says really we don't have such a thing? The loi, Qash-yama, the haray, what about the bakharr? Adam, first born of a person of Easter, all shedsar-padi-hu-hut-r, you have to redeem the first born son. Umut-r in yet that you can't have the son do whatever work you want, it's not yet redeemed, not asurbhanno. Ella, so I squiggle underline the word Ella, we have to slightly refine the approach, Yehish-l-hadovah, what we need to say is like this, is there anything shehak-pida al-lah-tairab-a-sah that the tar was very predict-tular because like the way the hummish introduces this idea is you have to redeem it, you have to redeem it, you have to redeem it specifically for a sheep. Umut-r in that

thing before seeing for a sheep would be permissible. Okay, the horse is one second, really? Umihik-pida is the tar really particular, it can only be on a first born sheep-vaha, here's a famous maisav, one of the great derabis at the time. Rebn-e-Khemi-bred-ru-vye-sif-par-g-le-he had a first born dog and he redeemed it, Beshil-ke, Beshav-yav, used a bowl of vegetables that were at the same amount as the uh as it is the first born um donkey and uh you did it that way. So says Ula, back Beshav-yav like Kammar, no, not talking about when you want to redeem it with something that's worth the same amount, that you can always do, Kikammar, you know, when we said, what we said, Shloy Beshav-yav, that you have to redeem it with a sheep, with a sheep, with a sheep is worth much less than the first born dog, you have a hucky-comer, this is the way to understand it, call it, Yisul-Khadova, is there anything, Shloy Beshav-yav, Pida-alav-Tar, the deter was particular, Laf-Quel-i-Sure-i Beshav, to remove its isser, even if it's not worth as much

a thing you were giving it on to, and then it would be mutter before you did that. So the Gammar again says, well okay maybe using up, but what about Maisav-shayni? All right Maisav, what's Maisav-shayni, all the produce that you grow second-tie, three-searching years, is taking up to Roshan, Lyam, Sheikh Pida-alav-Tar, the Tura, there is also very particular in what you redeem it onto, Bekassav-Surei, minted coins, but yet, if it's none, we have a mission which clearly indicates the mission goes for five words, I box it off, Rabbi Huda-Imer, but Maisav-Kidash, if somebody took the Maisav-shayni and didn't yet redeem it, and then went and be trozed, was Makadish woman with it, maybe you shouldn't have done it, but still it works. So the Gammar answers, well the Petra-Khamar, Nami, truth is, if somebody used their firstborn of a donkey to be Makadish woman, not Mimakadshah, how would that work? Well, could there be a Lazar, a Domer of a Lazar, Isha Yudas, typical woman knows De'ane Maisav-shayni, Mishra-Lal Yada, that the fact that we got some Maisav-shayni, as the

Qilukas of Keduci, and that does not like take its holiness away, and if what you're going to do with it, she'll save it, and next time she goes to Jerusalem, I don't know, next week, I love a Acha-Sayni, Be Rushalayim, and the Keduci, and then therefore was called on the benefit that she gets from eating it in Yushalayim, well then Hachanami, so to here by the firstborn donkey, Isha Yudas woman knows De'Petra Khammur, Isha Yudas is Bay, she knows okay, she got De'Petra Khammur to get Makadish to Bab, Uparka-Layb-sa, and therefore she'll redeem it onto a sheep, the sheep is worth much less, Umakadshah, and the Kess of K- will be Hale Bahakhtabani-Bani with the difference and the value between the Sa and the firstborn donkey. Okay, that's Rebuhudah, but Rebuh Shimon, in my time, we had double on with my time what's Rebuh Shimon's reasoning, he said it would be Mutr, why is it the Petra Khammur, is Mutr Bahana, I mean it's supposed to redeem it, but if whatever reason you didn't, it's Mutr Bahana, Amarullah, and Rulandullah, he says in an understanding of Rebuh Shimon,

Yashr Khadava, do you have anything like a precedent, Shepid-Yoy-Noy Mutr, the thing that you redeem it on two, let's say the sheep, where you give the sheep the cow and what can the cow do with it, whatever it wants, here, the barbecue, it's not like it's a carbon or something, the who, Asur, and like before you redeem it, the thing would be Asur, like that you redeem it onto the Sotlin Mutr. Okay, so the march on Shrana says really, we don't have such an example, the Qashmankama, Fahre, what about Shfi'is, seventh year produce grown in Israel, De-Pediyayna Mutr, at least at this point, we think that if you take it and you redeem it onto something, that's something that's totally permissible, the Yasura, and yet the item is definitely also, the Pera Shfi'is, it sounds as definitely asur before it's redeemed, well Shfi'is, Nami, the Gmura, I don't know what you're talking about, the Havani, the Gmura turns around, and this is even seventh year produce, Pera Shfi'iayna Asur, that which is redeemed onto, the thing was redeemed

onto is for Bidin, Damarmar, even if it's redeemed, let's say, onto wine, and then wine onto dates, and then dates onto oil, Haqqain Ahrain Asur, the original fruit disaster, and so to the last thing that was redeemed onto is Asur. Okay, that was all approach, Roman No. 1, the E-Bio-Same, my squiggle underline, the E-Bio-Same, alternatively, and this is going to be Roman No. 2, that Rebu-Huda and Reb-Shymin, that would be Petter Khammur, the Asurbanar Rebu-Huda says, yes, Rebu-Shymin says, no, not a problem, the Hayaqra coming for you, they're actually arguing and how to understand the following, Pazuk, that's brought in this rice of disanya, the rice goes for three and a half lines, it starts here, and quotes two parts of the Pazuk, the first part is Laise-Avoid de Chor-Shor-Ha, you can't do a word up with the first one of your ox, and Laise-Agoid is Bichor, so in a Khay you cannot shear the first one of your sheep. Okay, so let's see the tube looking, Laise-Avoid de Chor-Shor-Ha, okay, you can't work the first born of a shore that you

drew 100% of Alata, Aivan, you would be able to do work with Pe-Shahab-Shahab, and let's say you in Skeeter have an arrangement, Skeeter owns part of the shore, you know what the status of the first one would be, nothing has no holiness, the Bichor is only for the ownership is completely Jewish. That's phrase, four words quote, the Laise-Agoid is Bichor, so in Khay you cannot shear that Osham-A-Cheer the first one of the sheep, Aivan, Alata, glazes, you start to be able to shear if you share the ownership, Skeeter has a remu in Skeeter are partial owners, Diva-Rabuhuda, I and La-Rabuhuda, that's the remu-uda approach. Ripshimin, who underlined I mean he says quote, quote the same two phrases, Laise-Avoid Bichor, Shor-Kha, that you can't work first born of your ox, Avalata, Aivan, Bichor, Adam, if you have a first born son, like human being, you could work that one, and Laise-Agoid is

Bichor, Tsayn-Kha, you're not allowed to shear the first one of your sheep, Avalata, glazes, Peter, Hamor, you would be able to I guess cut the hairs off the first one of the donkey, that's the end of this snake source. Bichlama, I put a vector on this Bichlama, and two four, six lines later near the end of the line, this Bichlama, I put a vector on that, we're going to have two ways of looking at this snake source, they just brought the opinions of Rebuhuda and Rebuhushimin, here's the first, Bichlama, the Ripshimin, we understand Rebuhushimin, Hainu, Dixie, Tre, Kray, that's where there are two sookim that are written, why? Because according to Rebuhushimin, one is Bichor Adam, one is Tumai Bichor of Hamor, Elrabihuda, according to the first main Rebuhuda, Tre, Kray, Limuute, it basically seems like each one of the phrases coming to tell you

the same thing, that if you and Skirou and the animal and partnership, there's no Kadooshahs, Bichor of the first born, Limute, Shaha, Shaha, Khayrim, yours, and Khayrim, you're always means like not other Jewish partners, other non-Jewish partner, Lamaley, why would you tell me the same thing? Twice, Visu, and even further, Rebuhuda, Bichor Adam, Nami, named Madasser, according to Rebuhuda, we never excluded Bichor Adam, then the first born of a person should also be us, so we got to take a different approach to this, I squiggle underline the Allah, to Kule Al-Maf, everyone agrees that the first phrase of thou shalt not work the Bichor Shaha, your first born Ah, Shaha is the Mute, Bichor Adam Houdaahsah, both opinions agree, if that comes to exclude the people, people's not including this, keep pleading, the Hullmah, look at this, what do you do with the, or what a generation marks the Sain khah, your y'all sheep, call it, Rebuhuda, who I underlined here, and first word aligned, two lines, I just mentioned, and I'm doing that, Rebuhuda goes the Tameh, what's his

reason that we know from elsewhere, Tom, are you says, if you are a Jew and you have a partnership and an animal to go, actually should just have a kechavan, Khayyem is the Bichor Adam, that animal gives birth first time, that's still 1000, because there's a partial Jewish ownership, in which case if we need the possibility, or anything that is the mystery, Bigizavayda, to let us know that it would be permissible, if it was that say sheep to Shireedr, if it was that say a ox to work it, Kamah, Verabshimin, I know I know I know Shimin, Verabshimin, Savar, Shuchrasavikhah, then no no, a partnership with Skeeter, Petura Minhab-e Khayra is definitely off the Bichor Abh-e Khayra, Ule Indian, and as far as Giza, Verab-e Khayda, that you can't Shire it, you can't work it, Le Yastra-e Khra, you don't need the buster for that, that it's to a Krah rather, if you need the buster for anything, it's the Pet-e Khamur, tell you that the first Mordonky would actually be allowed to cut its hair off and use it. Kamah, another way of looking at it is that the Bryce that we quoted, not that it works well for

Shimin and the question of Yudra, rather Bichtulma-lerbiyah, Huda, put a vector under the Bichtulma, Hainu that's why it uses the term Sain-khayur Shib, because it just said Shib, what's the Yur Shib? Well, it needs to tell us the Shor-khah, Yur Shib, because that implies that it has to be YURS, right, and not just regular Sain, it can't be shared with Skeeter. The Shor-khah, then why does it say Yur-ox? Ah-too-tsay-khah, well that's to keep, I guess, the structural similarity to the positive, Yur Shib, also will give ox in the context of Yur-ox. Ella, L'Rbiyah Shimin, according to Shimin, though, Shor-khah, Vitsay-khah, L'ama, Lee, what do you need both of the terms in the possessive form? Well, Kasha, that indeed is a bit of a difficulty. Period, Ad-Kan.

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