Alien Contact Research

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2:00Yes, it's Angus Maximus. This partner has one part of a pound of hot. Suzy cooked to order Angus Speed. It's more expensive than a quarter pounder. The battle of clothes! And for only $5.99, even regular juice can afford it. Like that guy! You need that BMO, Bergen. Yes! He holds Angus Maximus. Only $5.99 is whole senior. A bill for a limited time of participating restaurants, tax on included, not valid for use within a combo or in combination with any other offer or discount. This is an Alien UFO podcast classic episode, and I'm your host Simon Bound. There are a number of UFO episodes that I released on the podcast a few years ago that are full of great information. And I thought it would be a good idea to share them for listeners who may have missed them the first time around. And this week I'm talking to Leslie Mitchell Clark about her book, Intersections, a true story of extraterrestrial contact that she wrote with Wes Roberts.

3:03Leslie is a board-certified clinical master hypnotherapist, regressionist, who specialises in a number of modalities, including working with individuals who feel that they've had contact experiences with extraterrestrial and ultra-terrestrial beings. She also works in metaphysical therapies such as past life and interlife regression. I, Leslie, thanks a lot for coming on the podcast. Simon, I am so pleased to be here and I've been looking forward to chatting with you for some time, so thank you for welcoming me. It's great for me to have you here, and I can ask about your book, which you wrote with Wes Roberts, it's called Intersections, a true story of extraterrestrial contact. First of all, how did you get into this thing of working with hypnosis and people who've had ET contact? Well, I think much like yourself, I would just imagine this. I was a very sensitive person

4:04always growing up. I had visual phenomena occur around me all the time, or quite frequently, especially when I was younger. Most of my career, or a big chunk of my life, really has been involvement in the entertainment business. Either as an actor or a singer, dancer, and I also was a music industry publicist for a long time. After a certain, well, I suppose you could call it a midlife crisis, although I did not buy a red sports car and divorce my husband. There's nothing like that. But I reached a point where my work was incredibly unfulfilling. I knew that there was, I felt like, well, if I've been given all these sensitivities, why am I working in areas that demand no sensitivity? So what happened as my dear husband bought me a past life regression with a, I hit the therapist, not one of the more well-known ones,

5:10but a perfectly competent practitioner. And I had a past life regression. Now that was of course fascinating and illuminating. But the main thing that I took away is I can do this kind of work. I believe that I've done it for six thousand years or longer. I really felt that it was my calling. And I can't explain it anymore truthfully than that. It was that much of an alarm bell that went off. So pretty immediately after that, I registered at the Center for Hypnosis, which was run by the wonderful Dr. Georgina Cannon, who was certainly one of the most foremost living experts on past life regression. She studied with Michael Newton. She's the author of many, many books. So I was very blessed to train under her. And so I got my basic hypnosis credential, which

6:15doesn't take off the long here in Canada, at least in Toronto. It takes maybe about three months, something like that. So after a while, after working in the trenches for a while, I was offered a consultancy position at Georgina's clinic, and I accepted it readily. And about once a month there, we would get a call for somebody who either believed they had extra-trestural contact for some reason. Maybe they had partially recovered memories. Perhaps they had missing time. You know, any one of the, any one or many of the symptoms that can easily occur when one is had contact. So none of the other practitioners wanted to touch this with a 10-foot pole or a 30-foot pole. I mean, any pole. So, but for myself, I said absolutely. But I didn't work with any experiences until I had been fully accredited in what here in Canada we call metaphysical hypnosis,

7:23which includes past life regression, the Newtonian interlife regression, and something that they call entity release. I don't really do this very often. I call it energy release, and I really, rarely do it. But definitely, I was pretty fast-ciled in regression techniques in general. So, in order to work with these, I find fascinating individuals, I simply adapted, you know, what you and I both do. I didn't reinvent the wheel. I would never mean to put out that impression. I simply adapted, tried and true regression techniques that had been around for a long time, and adapted them for use with experiences. And there it began. And you know, Simon, it was almost, it was almost as if the law of attraction was, you know, resonating because from that point forward,

8:25I have had a real influx of individuals who want to talk about these experiences, both in my, you know, primarily in my own treatment space, which is light work hypnosis. So, it's been, this work is a blessing. It is, well, it carries a lot of responsibility, and it really carries a lot of self-discipline because as much as I believe in except what these individuals are telling me, in the use of regression techniques, we have to stay completely vanilla. As you will know, we can't lead the client because the client always wants to please, we have to be completely a blank slate, and yet through skilled dialogue with the subconscious mind, allow this person to recapture, recover, what has been suppressed either by themselves or some type of outside entity.

9:27And have you had your own paranormal experiences? Have you seen a UFO? Well, I must tell you, I had white a series of experiences when I was about 16 years old, and I do talk about it in quite a bit of detail in the book, but just, you know, the short, the Cliff Snowden's version, as we, well, they don't even say that here in Canada. They've got even another term, but you know what I have the compressed version here. When I was about 16, I was already finished with high school. I was in an accelerated program, and I won a scholarship and also a job at, you know, at what we call here a summer stock theater. That's a theater that is professional, but it only runs in the summertime for tourists. And this theater was located in a Rushmore State Park, where the, you know, where the big heads of all the, you know, slave owners are posted, you know, on Native American land yet.

10:30Anyway, that's Rushmore State Park, and I was, that's where I was in this camp that had a beautiful theater, but the accommodations were quite rustic. It was an old workers camp for the World War II era. So, so that was the setting. Now, one of the gals that was in the company, and it was a company of about 300 plus people, because we, in Repertory, we did Fiber's X shows. So this wonderful gal was at the time I thought incredibly older than me, and I now think that maybe she was 30, but at that time she seemed like a venerable, you know, Duena. You know, anyway, she had a whole other job where she had worked in Las Vegas and Reno for many years as a, with her, with her singing performances, worked in all the casinos, and she also raised Mustang horses, so she was an interesting person. And she had a car, and I couldn't even drive. So there you go. So one, one day off, we were driving on down to the

11:32small western town of Custard, South Dakota. I mean, this is real, this is real movie stuff, you know, real. So we're in, we're driving through the winding hills, and I noticed that there was a light following us, and it looks like a spotlight. I mean, it's, but it keeps sort of changing shape, and morphing, and changing colors. And finally, I can't hold myself back. And I say, I said, let's call her Debbie. I said, Debbie, what is that? Look at that. She said, oh, it's just, you know, it's just some of the, the ETs, they're, they're, they're following me. They always do. So of course, there was a long silence of my part, but eventually, she began to come forth with a remarkable story that she, in fact, was highly psychic and worked for the United States government in a special department dealing with, what's telepathic extraterrestrial communication. I would put it. So every so often, or whenever there was a work phase coming on, you know, she'd go out to

12:38the, you know, plane wrap airport in Vegas and get on a plane wrap airplane. And they take her out to, you know, Dreamland or Area 51 of the Dolcee Bayes or any one of those places where they were operating all of this, all of these programs. And at a certain point, after doing this for some years, she wanted out because she felt it was invasive. And, you know, the ETs, God bless them. They don't have a linear timeline like we do. Some of them don't even have sleep phases. So they would always bug her to communicate. And it wasn't, it wasn't negative. It was just more like a, like a bugging. And she just couldn't take it anymore. And she didn't like, messing about with the military either. I don't think so. So her escape, you know, she quit her job. And she had come to this, the Black Hills playhouse for this summer to just be an actor and be in the company and do her thing. Well, they were not leaving her alone. And every time we went into town

13:40to the pub or whatever. And I'm saying that was often we were followed by one to three to five raft of the same type of description in that they didn't really get close enough for me to see physical shape. But they were essentially circular and essentially, you know, what we would consider flying saucer shape, but they were sort of bioluminescent. And it seemed to glow. And then morph into a bigger shape and then change colors. So I saw this all summer. Now near the end of the season. I remember that I was, it's the middle of the afternoon. And oddly, in a company of like 350 people, including like, you know, people that worked in the kitchen and blah, blah, blah, there was absolutely no one around. Pily bizarre. And I was lounging on the a porch of the snack bar, something I was very good at. And I saw this, you know, American mid century car,

14:45like your classic kind of men and like some kind of Lincoln continental maybe from the early sixties. Anyway, this this car sped in, you know, taking up thrust and stones. And the cars stopped right in front of my friend Debbie's living quarters. And and then I watched as two, I'm going to say beings got out of that that Lincoln town car and they were awfully tall. And and it looked like their skin was plastic. You know, they looked humanoid, but the skin looked very unusual. And and also they were wearing, you know, what I could only call, you know, like mobster clothes from the from the forties, you know, they were the shoulder pads and a fedora. They looked like they should have been in guys and dolls, you know. And the other unusual thing was

15:46that the pants they were wearing were like what we call here like high waters. They were really high. And the shoes looked like they were orthopedic. I now think I will I now have wondered if perhaps they were weighted in some way because these these guys were walking very strangely and very deliberately. Anyway, they entered, you know, Debbie's room just walked in and I'm there across, you know, with the staff bar and I told myself, well, I'm really worried. I don't know what's going on. I wouldn't let myself believe that these were in fact, ETs, but I knew something was not good. And I was just about ready to, you know, bus through the door. I mean, what would I have done as 16 year old, you know, assaulted them with my tuna sandwich? What would I have done? Not, you know, but at any rate, just before I was about to make my move, these individuals came out of her, you know, out of her room, got in their Lincoln town car from 1962. And this would have been 1973,

16:52by the way, or 72, I'm sorry, 72. So they peeled out of this driveway. And, you know, I was kind of in shock, but I also felt as if I was an altered state. And at that time, I was just a kid, I never smoked a joint or anything like that. I mean, I really felt that I was in an altered state, but I went over to a room and said, you know, what the bloop was that? And she said, well, it was just, you know, members of the team tried to convince me to come back to work. And that was all she would ever say. So these experiences happened at about that age 16. And then I later, the Eric Vandonekins, you know, little super eight film that changed everything, Jerry To the Gods, I saw that. And I was off to the races. So even though I suppose I had a quiet interest in all of this, I've always had a very deep and profound interest in

17:53enuapology. And I might mention that finally, at a wonderful point, after all this training and all these years of doing it, I was also one of the members of the research team for the lovely Kathleen Martin's experience research project, which happened under the Moofon umbrella. And also the experience with the rather the research project that was conducted under the umbrella of free, which was Dr. The Late Doctor Edgar Mitchell's organization. So I've been blessed to have many, many people, you know, seeking, you know, seeking my help in some way, even if it's just comfort, even if they just talk to me, you know, sometimes I can help make them feel better and not so alone. Chevy is called the heartbeat of America for a reason, with SUVs made to move with your rhythm. The versatile equinox tackles your entire day. The spacious traverse fits your crew and your

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21:01ahead and- So sorry. The BMO Angel City FC debit mastercard. Tap into the game. A counselor's effect to approval in a provided in the United States by BMO Bank and Act. Remember FDIC. BMO! Yes, it's Angus Maximus. This partner has one part of a pound of hot. Suzy cooked to honor Angus Speed. It's more expensive than a quarter pounder. The battle of clothes! And for only $5.99, even regular juice can afford it. Like that guy! Give me that big old man! Yeah! The whole Angus Maximus only $5.99 is cold senior. A bill for a limited time of participating restaurants. Tax not included. Not valid for use within a combo or in combination with any other offer or discount. So how did you make Wes? Well, Wes was one of these people that just gravitated towards me very early on in my hypnosis career. We were referred by a colleague of mine

22:01with whom I had studied pediatric hypnosis. He was a friend of hers and she said, well, you know, Wes, I don't do this kind of work, but I know who does. And so Wes was referred to me very early on and it was one of those situations where I was able to facilitate many, many sessions. And I'm sure you know that as from your own experience that you know, we don't often get the chance to really explore someone's past and you know, they may come one time, two times, three times, once a year if we're doing regression work. But I believe that I conducted more than 42 sessions with Wes Roberts and all of them were recorded. And then transcribed by a professional transcriber. So that is the key of our book. There are a lot of, you know, completely accurate transcriptions because I wanted to draw the reader into the

23:05experience of what a regression session is like and a big part of that to dispel fear. And it's a thing in the book, we see what you might call high strangeness with the weird things happening because it's not just that what you might call a classic scenario where somebody's just laid out on a table and there's some grays and they do some kind of medical thing. Yeah. Well, I wanted to ask you about this thing where he says he's at an airport and then there's an airplane crash. That's part of that high strangeness, isn't that? Yes. And Wes experienced an awful lot of what we would call screen memories. In other words, you know, these things that he recalls, particularly in that experience at the airport, which sort of defines a whole lot of other stuff. He may have been simply what we, well, not simply, but what we would call astroprojecting. So I think within Wes's case, there are many incidents where where it's his physical body is

24:12not necessarily involved, but his mental body, his aetheric body, perhaps his spirit itself is deeply involved. So in screen memories, it seems that ETs and I believe in an effort to protect us and make us less fearful. Through some type of psionic projection, are able to create environments for us that are not as disturbing as what's actually happening. And this is the case in many of Wes's experience, because the airport experience that you're talking about eventually turns into an experience where he enters some type of transporter or perhaps even something that bends space-time. You know, it's not for me to say, but he enters into this tube that activates his cells in such a way that he's brought to another place. So there are always

25:18snippets or bleed-throughs about maybe what actually happened. But so Wes has had a number of staging or screen memories. But what I will say is that it's much more common in my experience for young people, young children, age three plus, to have the more physical experience. And it seems to be that when we get to a certain point or not, we, I'm using the Royal Wee, it seems to me that when experiences get to a certain point in their evolution of whatever they are doing with the ET's or whatever kind of experiment or integration is involved, that the experiences then become much more psychophysical, much more like astral projection and the physical, but the dense physical body does not have to come along. In fact, in fact, I think Simon that there are

26:20many advanced species in our galaxy and elsewhere that no longer bother to travel physically. Because what is faster than the speed of thought and many of these advanced species, I believe, can create physical, can generate form, physical reality wherever they send their, their thought process. It's just the high strangeness, like I was saying, it's moving beyond that old idea of metal spaceships and biological aliens. You know, these, these very terrifying incidents of DNA harvesting with the grays are part of the old, a Truman Eisenhower agreement. And they really, in that sense do not occur at this point in time. There was a treaty that timed out. And so when

27:20someone does come to me with these very terrifying, and they are terrifying, you know, the grays is going about their business, that would have to be someone, you know, more my own age in the 60s, because I believe those experiments really stopped sometime in the late 80s. Something that happened in the book that made me think about reincarnation and the spirit and different lives was Wes talked about being in an apartment. And it was like it was his apartment, but it was a different person. Yes, he has had, you know, not all, only a small fraction of the material that we have from our sessions was actually included in that book. There's probably another two books worth, you know, ready to go, but we've been working on other projects. But yes, now, I'm sure you've heard the term star seat. Yeah. It's bandied about, but and maybe it means different

28:21things to different people. But what it means to me star seeds are souls beings who have lived in other planetary systems as other types of beings besides homo sapiens sapiens. And in fact, I believe that our soul group, our whole system that's involved in reincarnation embraces many beings that are our genome ancestors or cousins and that the universe is full of life. Most of it is quite hominid. You know, basically, you know, eyes, nose, mouth, you know, limbs, you know, this kind of thing seems to be a, it like the Viturvian man, a kind of a pattern of creation. But yet, even within this kind of pattern, many beings whose genome sends out of either reptilian beings or other types of

29:22beings becomes dominant. So, you know, as above so below, it is basically my premise. There are and indeed, when we pass out of the physical life, we enter in a vibrational domain that is populated not only by homo sapiens sapiens. And also, I think that there are beings that oscillate at such a rarefied vibration that they are able to, that maybe they're not densely physical anymore. And they are able to move between dimensions of space time, including those dimensions that we would call heaven. Reincarnation is something that star seeds appear to engage in these because West has many memories of living on another planet. In fact, he feels alien here, really. And in our, in our, in our interlife explorations, what we have found with

30:30experiences is these are souls that are intentionally incarnating into physicality as homo sapiens sapiens to assist with this next increase of vibration that we are about to experience or in the, are in the process of experiencing. So, so these star seeds are, I mean, they're kind of like missionaries. They're coming to our, you know, our barbaric planet that is unlike any other because we have such a vast spectrum of evolution going on here. And they have chosen to come here. And yet, they come in with a still, although they may not have all the memory firing, they come in still with the deep connection to their soul group from their previous planet. And reincarnation is being used really as a tool. Well, not entirely, of course, but in this instance, by our evolved siblings

31:31in the cosmos, reincarnation is really being used as a kind of a tool to bring in light and beings into physicality to help bring about the changes that we so desperately need if we are going to continue as a planet. Because there's a sentence in the book that you're reminding me of where it says, where's this desire to honor his life purpose agreement, which was crafted before he was physically born in his present lifetime. Yes, yes, that's what I'm talking and there is a session where he, you know, in an interlife regression, he goes to his counsel after coming out of his last life. And I mean, and there are many beings sitting on the council, not all of which are human. And he determines that it's time for him to come in again, you know, into the, into the deterrent to the situation because we are on the cost of enlightenment. And, you know, a term that

32:34I always use and and you're one to Simon midwives of disclosure. That's going to be the title of my next book, but that's the beings like yourself who have these wonderful eye opening nonjudgmental programs that could never be presented on judgmental money making mainstream media, you know, people like yourselves are also star seeds and are here. You're here doing your part and your part is not only to do the work that we both do, that's a huge part of it, but also to allow people to safely explore and open their minds. And by doing that, start to vibrate even at a higher level. And it's interesting, Wes talks about what happens to him like at the airport, he's, he sees the air crash. And then the next thing he knows he's on the plane experiencing the crash.

33:37And it's like the ETs are giving him this these experiences, so much like they're testing him or something they want to see. I think so. I, you know, I have the ETs that he engaged, gauges with our by and large benevolent. But I agree that that some of these experiences are not that far from like the Skinner box, you know, they really seem to me to be some kind of behavioral testing. Maybe is it, you know, is he hooked up correctly? Does he have empathy? You know, who knows? And we've never really gotten to the bottom of that except that I must say that Wes is always receiving what I would have to call upgrades. And in other words, he will get a message from the ETs either in session or in some other way that, you know, that they're going to assist him to become more sensitive or more aware or, you know, more whatever, you know, and then

34:44he will often physically feel heat. As he tells me, he will often physically feel heat. Sometimes he feels like head light headed. But the ETs seem to be in a process of tuning him up. And this is not unusual Simon. Many, many of my experiences talk about they say, well, we're going to give you a gift. We're going to, you know, it's like step up transformers. I don't know any other way to describe it. But it seems that these star seeds, these beautiful souls, when they have agreed to come into our, you know, dimension of of dense physicality, they have had to leave some of their abilities behind. But our potential as homo sapiens sapiens has not even been touched. We can do unlimited things in the bodies we have now simply by engaging in disciplines, eliminating

35:52negative thought. You know, it's, it's a, I'm very tired of us thinking of ourselves as lesser than in fact, we are unique because we embody not only the physicality of whatever evolutionary process took place. But we also are, we also contain some very esoteric DNA, which most likely came from various various ancient astronaut interventions. We have a, we have DNA that can't be identified. There is no such thing as junk DNA is my premise. And I believe that we are in a period of time right now, Simon, where people's DNA is turning on even just by exposure to thought that challenges them, such as the kind of thought that would come from listing to one of your podcasts. Chevy is called the heartbeat of America for a reason, with SUVs made to move with your rhythm.

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40:15the benefit. But then I've been a meditator for 40 years. And there are a lot of, I do under Lili Yoga. There are a lot of things that I do to try to, you know, to try to be open and be better. One thing that used to happen every once in a while, well, we got to a point, first of I should say, we got to a point in our work together where Wes was really acting more like a channel. And I would simply induct him into a receptive state. And the being that he calls his twin, which is a being that he is very close to. And that system that he that they come from may even be a binary system in the sense that people are hooked up as as to I don't know. But at any rate, I saw on several occasions the being that he was communicating with overlay, birch overlay visually his form. I tried to photograph it once. And all that came out was,

41:25well, something came out. It was, it would look like fog or light. You know what I mean? There was no distinct, the distinct image that I saw, I was not able to capture in a digital photograph or with a digital camera. But I did capture a mist or what I would call maybe light anomalies. Yeah, yeah, I think I've seen those sorts of pictures before. And I think we've got one in the family. And that was taken with a film camera with some really weird light streak across it. Yeah, indeed. Yes, I wanted to ask you about the hypnosis though. And because, you know, hypnosis gets a lot of criticism about, oh, you can't retrieve memories with hypnosis. It's not reliable. But how do you feel on that? Well, you know, I should probably just put a little last risk in here and say that, you know, not not everybody who comes who who requests my help

42:26is an experiencer. There is is there are a percentage of these individuals who are having mental health issues. And it's my job to distinguish that. And because in in in in Canada, as a as a certified master clinical hypnotherapist, I'm not I'm barred from working with individuals who have been diagnosed with a mental illness. Now, I don't mean just depression or anxiety. I mean something like a disassociative disorder, borderline personality disorder, manic depressive disease, you know, you name it. So it's I have to be extremely careful that the people that I'm working with are are in fact, sane, largely functional people who have symptoms of X, Y and Z. So, so that's extremely important. That's the proviso. And I'm sorry, Simon, what did you ask me right before

43:30that? I just just wanted to throw that out there. You asked me, um, yeah, it's what's your view on the idea that hypnosis is not reliable to get? Yes, yes, they're exactly. Well, one wonderful thing about living in the time, the era of the real time mapping of the brain is that through solid science, it has now been proven by wiring people's up, people's brains up and getting a regression is to come in and regress people. The areas of the brain that are firing in those circumstances are the deep memory centers, you know, the big deal, the deep memory centers. When if someone was fabricating, you would expect to see more of the executive frontal lobe firing and other parts of the brain that are involved with lying or creative thought or, you know, or fabrication, whatever. But it has been now proven that in circumstances where the regression

44:32process is being used properly, we can indeed recover suppressed memories. So, I am completely comfortable with the science of that, but it, you know, I always believed it and it's important to remember that hypnosis is well over 6,000 years old. And if you, in fact, accept the idea of previous evolved civilizations on this planet, I believe it's even older than that. So, um, it is a powerful technique because all we're doing is pushing the conscious mind out of the way so that we can speak directly to the subconscious mind, which carries all of the memories and experiences of an individual, although I actually believe that, you know, the Akash, I actually believe that these things are external to the hardware of the brain. But anyway, that's our hard drive.

45:32The brain is the hard drive. That's what we need to use to get to the, to get to the things that we need to see. And, um, you know, with that, with that in mind, um, I think it's also important to say that when people come to me for regression work, I never allow them to re-experience trauma. That is an old idea from the time of Freud. It's 100 years old. We, we do not need to have an individual, you know, very kinesthetically re-experienced trauma in order to release trauma. So, what I do, and I'm sure you probably do this, Simon, in the, in the, um, discipline of past life regression, if something disturbing starts to come up, the person starts to get upset, immediately I turn them in to an observer so that they can process the experience and tell me all about it without being attached to it emotionally and physically. So,

46:36there's no risk of re-experiencing trauma when you are seeing someone who is a properly trained regressionist. And, uh, you know, that, of course, is a, that's just, that's just a fact. And I want people to not have fear. Now, um, I did want to talk for just a moment about memory blocks or what you might perceive as memory suppression. Um, it is my belief that there is no form of so-called memory suppression, uh, that has been used by either ET's or our own Black Ops Secret Space programs, which are up to all kinds of stuff. Uh, they, these, these memory blocks do not last. And the ones that have been used by our own, um, programs with which the British are involved, by the way, um, uh, that will only last for 20 years, which is why I often begin seeing people

47:45in what I would call midlife because they have started to have what I would have to go bleed throughs of memories. That is often the thing that directs someone to come see me partially recalled memories that are starting to pop up. And also it's, it's important to say I suppose where's had consciously remembered some of these experiences. Otherwise, he wouldn't have come to in the first place. Exactly. He, he came with, I would have to say partially recalled memories. The thing that I think that was of such a huge surprise to him was how far back his experiences went. And, you know, it's my belief that by and large, there is no such thing as someone who's had one close encounter. So there was something that I noticed in the book where, uh, Wed says, um, I had awoken to another place and possibly another time. And this was the first indication that I

48:46was not dreaming or at the very least I was not having a dream. Well, there was another thing where it said was entered the construct or staging area that seemed to have been created specifically for him. And I've heard people who've had a near death experience say that's what their near death experience seemed to be that it was created specifically for them. And it was a staging area. It wasn't actually the afterlife. Mm hmm. I think it is very possible for benevolent beings to project a comforting environment to beings that either are, are not ready to cross over and are having an unplanned out of body experience and need to pretend to their bodies. Or if it's a, the star seed person who's a contactee and maybe isn't ready to face that fact or maybe will be is young. Um, so these, as I, again, I said, I, this kind of, um, psionic projection seems to be

49:56really firmly in the toolkit of many, many, um, evolved beings. And I wanted to ask you about this party that was that was like, it was 15 years old. But it, oh my, one of the things about it was it seemed like the ETs were trying to fool him into thinking was a party, but they just couldn't quite get it right. Oh, that, yeah. And it also reminds me of the, that kind of men in black thing that you saw where it's like the ETs were trying to appear to be normal men, but they just didn't get it right. They can't, sometimes they just can't get it white right. And even in these staging scenarios, there will be anachronistic things like old dial telephones from the 20s, you know, that are just there for no reason. So this is, yes, it's often not quite right now. There are, there are two party experiences that I, that I remember writing about. But what I think

50:58that you're referring to is, uh, a particular interest. So this is, this is, uh, what I believe, you know, happened to West. He, he again, many of these things when he was a teenager or young person seemed to happen in the afternoon after he got back from school and just went in his room to maybe take a nap. And then he was like gone. So this, this is one of those. So he, he was coming on from school and I guess lay down or lost consciousness and found himself in this, you know, this room, like the room of an old house, an old Toronto house, an old Victorian. And, uh, all of these children who were roughly his age were sitting in a circle. Um, and some of them appeared to be completely unconscious, just knocked out. Some of them were sort of semi conscious. Some of them were, were just talking to him and were, you know, completely conscious. And, um, the objective of this

52:04exercise seemed to be some kind of checkup, physical exam, but not with pain. So at a certain point in this make-believe party where nobody's in charge and half of the kids are unconscious, a being comes out of this little room that looks like a doctor's exam room from the 1950s. And the being is wearing a, you know, a regular, you know, doctor's kind of lab coat and is wearing a clown mask. Well, they didn't really do their research because onophobia is a big deal. Many people are afraid of clowns. So a lot of the kids got really scared of the clown mask. And then, uh, as I remember, West just got disgusted and stood up and like turned over a table or something and said, I'm getting out of here. And then bang zoom, he was dropped on his bed. Just like, like he was dropped

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56:17And for only 599, even regular juice can afford it. Like that guy! Give me that big open! Yeah! The whole Angus Maximus only 599 is cold senior. A bill for a limited time in participating restaurants, tax on included, not valid for use within a combo or in combination with any other offer or discount. I wonder why it is that people get so scared of clowns. Do you think it's could down to horror movies where they're always having a clowns the backly? I think that was later. I think that's an expression of a fear that already, you know what I think? I think it is just a fear of something different and that you can't trust. I think it goes way back probably. And it crosses all ethnicities, right? I mean, it's not just from Western culture, Western European culture, where we have clowns in the circus. It's people from all over the world experience this. You talk about the abduction experience and then you say that's a term that you love to use. Why

57:19do you learn that phrase? Abduction says to me, you know, being kidnapped against your will with, you know, violence or malintent. Whereas I would say 80% of the individuals that I work with are willing participants. They just can't always remember it until we reconnect with their life purpose and bring some of these contact experiences into a, into a zone where they can understand them and process them. And there's a weird thing about how he says, and I don't know how many other experiences talk about this. It's very rare that he actually sees the 80s face. It's like it's always out of focus or behind a mist or something. They, you know, they do that a lot when, I mean, they, they don't want to frighten us is a, is a big part of that. So there's a lot of

58:23obscuring of facial features, particularly in the childhood experiences. Like many children, even West has talked about that, but many, many children talk about the brown doctors. And from what I now have come to think, the brown doctors are possibly a type of reptilian humanoid that is benevolent or they could be a kind of tall gray, but with brown skin, not gray. Whatever they are, they are the genetic experts of our part of the galaxy. And they are often, often involved with any type of examination that is related to growth or development or, you know, what have you. And it is not uncommon for ET experiences to be walked through hallways, you know, benevolently, benevolently with a brown doctor on each side, but they don't want to

59:30frighten anyone. And so they don't want to show their faces. Now what I do with experiences who are adults is I'm able to, I suppose I'm able to allow a scenario where they are able to see these beings faces clearly. If you ever taken an experience, they're into one of these scenarios where they're with an ET and ask them to communicate with the ET while you are there in real time. We do that with Wes often. This is kind of what I'm going for, you know, because once the fear is cleared away, you know, there's an open channel of communication that enhances the person's life. I mean, there are, you know, releasing the fear and embracing your, you know, magnificent soul

1:00:30and your purpose are life affirming and joy generating things. So that's really what I'm after. I'm after clearing away the cobwebs, processing, looking at, releasing any negatives so that the individual can then engage with the wonderful kind of communication that is really possible. You took Wes through a life between live session. I did. And the impetus behind that is of course, like many experiences, Wes was very keen to connect with his purpose because really, you know, he had, he was compounded with feelings of, you know, not fitting in and why is this happening to me and, you know, all of those kinds of related feelings. So within a past life, excuse me, rather,

1:01:31within an interlife exercise as opposed to a past life progression and of course, as you well know, we only go to the most recent past life experienced. And that is simply so we can gain access to the interlife, which is of course, what we would call heaven or at least an aspect of heaven. It's the vibrational area where, where we go after we leave our physical body and the, the late great Michael Newton was the pioneer who explored interlife regression and discovered that as human beings, I'm going to expand that to include souls in our soul group, whatever format they, they come in. We experience certain commonalities when we pass out of the physical life. And one of those big commonalities, in fact, it's the one that sort of has to happen.

1:02:35There's a lot of variety with the other events, but the thing that must occur is a visit with your counsel. Now, it's not disciplinary, you know, I think, you know, from the Christian ride, or even myself as a Catholic, you know, or being raised in that way, you know, we get used to the idea of punishment. And not to say that there aren't special horrific places for people like Hitler and Charles Manson, but in this, in this respect that we're talking about, people who have live full lives and are, you know, perhaps going to consider incarnating again or maybe not, they come before their counsel at some point. Now, I first begin to notice way before I began working with West that when I was doing interlife regressions, I first began to discover that there were beings present on the counsel who were not necessarily humanoid.

1:03:42You know, clients, patients would describe to me beings that had enlarged skulls, or perhaps they were blue in color. And, you know, other variances that were too crazy. I mean, they didn't say like, you know, there's there are beings in fluidic space, you know, huge. What is it? When the, what do they call, um, anyway, it doesn't matter. Nothing gets far out. These are, these are, these are, these are cephalopods. I was thinking things like that. These are basically humanoid beings that have either a genetic resemblance to us. I think they all do actually to tell you the truth. I really do. I think they all have a genetic relationship to us, whether it's through Pam Spermia or through intention, colonization, what have you. So when West, um, when I took West through his most recent life, which is a very

1:04:43humble life as a kind of a blacksmith, um, and he, you know, came out of that and went before his counsel. He was again made aware that he is a, a star seed that he has, in fact, lived many lifetimes as other beings and that he was embracing the human experience in order to help the human race move forward. So it was his counsel. He described to me, again, beings that you might consider classically Anunnaki, bearded-bearing, bearded beings with, with, with white or blonde hair, excessively blue eyes with elongated skulls. Um, I don't believe there were beings of reptilian origin, but there, there were some extremely tall, slender, uh, humanoids. And I believe that these

1:05:43are the beings that West relates to most strongly and, uh, from a planetary, uh, situation where he has lived. So it was a, it was a mashup of beings and the message that came through in, you know, various types of language was that West had again chosen to come into, you know, this unique experiment that we have here on Earth to help in any way he could to, um, you know, open up the minds of individuals that help with the transition as we accelerate to a, hopefully a higher-dimensional um, um, state of being. And I will say, you know, that, that West in his life, I, I don't know if you read this, but he's a, he's a college professor. So his whole life path, in addition to his, um, uvology experiences, his whole life path has been about education and opening people's minds

1:06:46and dealing with younger people. So not only, so I feel, you know, that he's been fulfilling his purpose, not only in a, you know, esoteric um, a uvology kind of way, but also in a mainstream way where he can reach an awful lot of people. We've been talking about the book, Intersections, a true story of extraterrestrial contact that you wrote with West Roberts. Yes. That's on Amazon and other places. So if somebody wanted to contact you to do a session or find out more about you, do you have a website? Absolutely. And you can always reach me through my website, through my email, which is Leslie L-E-L-E-Y at lightworkhipnosis.com. And that's all one word, lightworkhipnosis.com. And I will get back to you just as soon as I can. Even if you just want to talk and say, do you think something weird happened here? You know, my door is always open.

1:07:51This is my work. This is my, um, this is what I took on. I believe when I came into this physical life. And as I've said before, you know, I'm a midwife of disclosure. And so are you Simon Brown? And so is anyone who is working in the opening of people's minds so we can remember who we are. And what we're doing here and our goal of through love and positivity, increasing the vibration of the earth so that we can move to a new dimension of kindness and fairness and love. It's possible. Well, thanks a lot for coming on the podcast. It's been great talking to you. Simon, it has been my absolute pleasure. And I look forward to chatting with you again. Anytime you wish. Thank you. And that was an interview with Leslie Mitchell Clark about her book, Intersections, a true story of extraterrestrial contact that she wrote with Wes Roberts.

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