Air Force (Ret.) Colonel Cluck Explains Terrorist Flight Miracle, Odds of Landing "Less than 10%", Lezak Makes Winter Call, Mickelson Enters Rehab

0:00Roberts Robinson Chevrolet Buick GMC presents Kevin Keatsman has issues online at Roberts Robinson dot com. We begin this podcast today with something that I don't know that I've ever said here, but I'm going to go ahead and say it this time. I'm really proud of this podcast and I hope you enjoy it and share it with your friends because our guest coming up in just a few minutes is Colonel John Clark. You know him. We've had him on a time or two before he's retired air force flies for Southwest now and he's a max eight pilot, which is exactly the type of Boeing aircraft that fly Dubai was using in this unbelievable story that happened on Wednesday. This is one of the craziest things. I'll jump to the end of what Colonel Clark tells me just to give you the big lead here. We're going to go through everything that happened in the sequence of events. And at the end, I asked Colonel Clark what the chances were when this began, when one copat when the copilot starts stabbing the pilot, what are the, with the intent of crashing

1:02the aircraft? What are the chances of this outcome that this plane is on the ground and everybody lives, although at the time of the recording of this, the pilots and the main pilot, the captains in pretty bad shape, but I understand we think he's going to live. What are the chances that this actually happened and he's going to tell us less than 10%. It took, well, it took a miracle among other things. The miracles were the actual aircraft itself and he's going to explain all that to us how this thing easily could have just fallen apart because it was pushed up to roughly about 700 miles an hour or the speed of sound, which a max eight is not built for. The rudder came off. The rudder came off. It did a free fall from 33,000 feet to 15,400 in about a minute. It was an absolute nightmare and according to Colonel Clark, he's going to tell you that there's not a lot of airplanes would have survived this, that they would have fallen apart

2:02in the air and apparently the copilot knew this. You probably know the details. If you don't, here's what happened. A plane full of Israelis basically takes off. All right. It's about 180 people on board total with crew and everything else from Dubai to Tel Aviv. It's almost all Israelis. The copilot is from Oman. They're close to their tight with Iran. It's not been good. There are so many things we don't understand about the Middle East and I'm not going to try to pawn myself up as some sort of an expert. I just did the 30,000 foot view of what's going on over there. This plane would eventually land in Saudi Arabia at a place where Colonel Clark was stationed during a rocky freedom into book Saudi Arabia. So he knows the airport. He knows the area. He knows all this. It's near the Israel border. That was during a rocky freedom. He knows the entire area. He knows everything that transpires. This is an unbelievable interview, folks. I'm not building this up to too much. You're going to love this.

3:03This is remarkable. So they're flying this plane. It's filled with Israelis and the copilot from Oman has been cleared by fly Dubai to be a pilot. He's been with them less than a year. And two hours into the flight, getting closer to Israel because they're on their way to Tel Aviv. He has something and start stabbing the captain and incapacitates the captain knocks him down on the ground, bleeding everywhere. Somehow there's a struggle. Somehow this captain is able to unlock the door according to reports with his foot or the plane's going to cry. It's over. There's no chance. Nobody on the airplane can get into the cockpit. That door is unlocked. It's impenetrable unless you had some sort of a massive weapon. If you had that, you wouldn't be on the airplane. So it's just not possible. That's miracle. Number one, he got the thing open. Some dudes come crashing in. Then they get the copilot and get him to the grounds of do him and tie his hands up with

4:05apparently I currently will tell us. I guess maybe like the intercom phone cable or something. We're not really sure. They hold him down. There's two other pilots on the plane that are being transported to Tel Aviv to pilot another flight for fly Dubai when they get there. They just happen to be there. They can come in now, lock the door back up and land the plane. Still not easy to land. This thing's a disaster. This plane's a nightmare at this point. It is damaged. It is done a free fall. It has gone way too fast. The rudder is gone. They probably don't know the rudder has gone. This is an incredible story. You cannot wait until you hear what Colonel Clark has to say about how improbable all of this was. The Israelis, the men in Israel, I said this on a patron podcast Wednesday. America was built on greatness, individual strength, individual achievement. I'm not afraid to say it. Macho tough guy stuff.

5:07I got this. That's who these Israelis are. They look a lot like Americans when they travel. One of the dudes was wearing a sketchers t-shirt. There was a lady on the plane with a gap shirt on. They don't dress up. They fly around kind of dirty like Americans do. It was full of that. But boy, I'll tell you what, we can use a lot of, well, we have a lot because we're so much bigger country. We have them. They're in seal team six. They're in our military. We got bad asses among us in this country. We got plenty of bad asses, okay? But in Israel, when you're a young man, and I think when you turn 18, whatever the year is, you got to go serve your country for a year or two, maybe. So everybody has that in it. There are reports that the first guy in was a cook in the Israeli military. So he wasn't really like a soldier. Did not fly a plane. Didn't know combat. Did anything like that? He's a chef. So he's like, he's going into the military. What do you want to do? I want to cook. I want to learn this.

6:07I want to be in communications. I'm pod boy. I want to be in communications, whatever it may be. Dude, you don't mess with these Israelis. I'm just telling you. And when you hear this on the story unfold, it sounds like the jihadist, the radicalized pilot for an airline that clearly sat at home on the internet and began hating and hating and hating Jews and Israel's leader, Nanyahu and Trump and probably the whole deal more and more and more as he radicalized, planned this, was doing it. It's just pretty obvious when these things happen. These people aren't as smart or as tough as the dudes in Israel. I'm just saying. And this was proof positive to that. This is an incredible story. Now, what I mean, I already can't wait for the movie. I want to see it. You'll know the outcome, but I want to see it. I mean, we watched the the Sully Sullenberger movie. That was great. That was just a pilot. It was a strike happen and he's going to land on a river.

7:07I mean, that story's like a couple minutes long and yes, it was terrifying and scary, but they couldn't really make the movie just about that. It had to be so much more leading up to that and you know, and afterwards and all these other things. This one, I can't even the things that happen. The stories they can tell about the personal lives of the people boarding that day before they got on, what equipped them to do that. Jokes probably being told by the pilots that were sitting back in coach because they're going to Tel Aviv to fly another flight and all these other things. This is just incredible. I can't wait to see it. I hope somehow Tom Cruise is involved in producing the movie because it'll be great. And it may not be it may be a while before it happens because you got to pick sides, right? You're picking a side here. The Israelis are waving flags and celebrating tonight like something you've never seen. A G hottest came to kill 180 Jews didn't succeed. They have him arrested alive.

8:08And the thought is what he really wanted to do was stab the pilot in capacity. Him and just tell control tower or air traffic control. My pilot's had a heart attack. He's on the ground. I'm flying solo here. I need emergency clearance landing. I'm coming to Tel Aviv. That's what he wanted to do. And then when they just thought everything was normal and nothing had happened and he's just got the pilot out. Dude was going to fly it into a building or a military base or something. He wouldn't go into the Tel Aviv airport. He was going to get close to that airport and pick another target. And there would have been no stopping him once he got that close. That clearly was his plan and wow did he screw that up. There was even a way for the pilot at one point to have an extra security, the co pilot, the stabber, the terrorist. There was another security protocol he could have gone through to attempt to lock that door and keep people from getting in. Even if the pilot were able to get his foot on the regular latch to open the door, just

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10:09Call advantage termite and pest control at 913 7 6 8 89 89 online and advantage TPC.com. Donald John clock. I have known for many, many years since he was with the Missouri Air National Guard in St. Joseph. We used to go up there and do radio remotes. I got to know him. He's incredible. He has served his country bravely and was in charge of the entire air wing up there. And he's just a super nice guy. He's retired completely enough in the Air Force flies for Southwest. He was stationed in taboox, Saudi Arabia where this plane landed where it all happened. It's very near the Israeli border. I don't know, maybe 50 100 miles, something like that. He was stationed there during Iraqi freedom and flew in and out of that airport dozens and dozens of times. This is really, really good stuff. Colonel John clock, a great American. So honored to have him right now on KKHI to walk us through exactly what this looks like, what this looked like and how they were able to land this plane on KKHI in it.

11:15Kevin Keatsman has issues conversation is presented by advanced medical imaging online at MedImageKS.com. Colonel clock joins us now, retired Air Force and now a pilot, very familiar with the Max 8 airplane after just an incredible story we've all been following to kind of walk us through how incredible this was that it happened. John, how you doing buddy, everything good in your world? I'm doing great Kevin. Thank you. I hope you are as well. Thank you. I know you're between flights right now. This is amazing what happened. So the co-pilot stabs the pilot. The pilot becomes incapacitated and somehow he opens the door while bleeding and knocked to the ground, struggling with his other pilots, still trying to fly the plane and sends out a distress signal of some sort. Walk me through what you think the pilot did when he got stabbed in order to let them know something was wrong and get the door open. So the distress signal is basically the ISF squawk. So every aircraft gets an individual four digit code when they fly.

12:17Could be anything from one, two, three, four to any combination of four digits. What it sounds like he did is he got it turned to 7700 which is an universal emergency signal. So that's basically telling the air traffic control radar folks, hey there's something wrong with my aircraft or outlining an emergency right now. So I don't know how he got that done. That would have been very hard with a fight going on inside the cockpit but it's doable. And it sounds like he got him on the ground and as he's bleeding he figured out a way to get the cockpit door open. There's just a switch. It's kind of high off the ground but once that switches flip and you can push the door open which fortunately he got that done to get the people into helping. I've been told or what I heard from the news reports was that the people in the front of the aircraft could hear him screaming up there for help. So it was probably a great people came rushing. Yeah he's bleeding in great pain. So let's go back to the numbers again. Is this something that is sort of manual or is it like the code on my iPhone? It's a touch screen where you punch in the 7700.

13:20There's little dials you turn them. So it's sort of manual. And the only good thing is it only goes up to 7 so you can turn them all the way to the right. You get 7 on the first tune and turn them all the way to the left. You get zeros on the other tune. You'd be fine. The thing that he had the wherewithal to do that's pretty impressive. Is that the reason it's 7700? Maybe. You don't know. That's a good question. I know that when he switched it to 7500 that is the universal, hey I'm being hijacked code. And it's sort of there so that if something like that happens you can get that out and hopefully the hijacker's not seeing you do it so you can sort of send a message. At this point if the hijack if that hijacker sees him it doesn't really matter because he's stabbing him and going after him anyway. So it can't get really any worse. Do you ever change that number during a flight? Like if he just got his hand on it and moved the numbers would they have thought, uh-oh something's weird? Occasionally do but if that's directed by the aircraft control folks, you know, occasionally you'll be handed off from one center to another and they'll say, hey change your squawk.

14:23And then when you do that that'll flash on their screens so they can see you a little bit better. It wouldn't have been, it would have been unlikely to do it but you know with the situation he was in clearly the other guy knew what he would be doing and was watching you know because he's a pilot as well. Okay, you were stationed during a raki freedom near where this was in tabooksaadi arabia which is not far from the Israeli border. I got just before we get back into exactly what happened there and what you think. I've got a very simple question that I think almost any passenger would ask when you're flying in that part of the world, how many languages are there? Like how is the communication normal in the air between all these different airlines? Well, fortunately all air traffic control worldwide speaks English. That's fine. That's better than others clearly but that is the predominant language throughout all air traffic. Every country in the world is on board with that? Yeah. Even like China. I mean you could fly anywhere into China and air traffic control speaks English. They have to know how to speak English now if they try.

15:25And with the Chinese pilot, you know, the other aircraft centers, they will convert to other languages but they have to be able to speak English. Okay. So that's more for a question for you. We don't know enough about this crew. We assume this crew was probably not speaking English. I'm guessing. Although I don't know what it would have been. I think the co-pilot was from Oman and clearly somehow became radicalized. I don't think anybody questions what this was. I mean this was a terrorist attack. So he goes after the pilot. Sure looks at work. Yeah. He's bleeding everywhere. And by the way, as we're recording this, he's not doing great. I guess it's gotten a little bit worse for him today after he got after they got him on the ground in Saudi Arabia. He's getting medical treatment. But I think he's going to be okay, but it's not going great for him. So he got he got stabbed up pretty good. Can you get a knife onto the plane or do we think this co-pilot improvised with something? Well, I don't know their security procedures clearly on ours. You couldn't unless you found some way of, you know, we all go through the same screenings as pastures do. So clearly people figure out ways to do it.

16:28But I think that as far as all the planes going into Israel are usually pretty well screened. So I would assume that he used something to be improvised with. I don't know what that could have been. There's a, you know, they could have been something that he's some instrument in the cockpit, but there isn't much there you could use for that. Is there anything that would have parts that he could have had like in his bag and then assembled while he's on the plane? Yeah, I mean, it'd be through speculation. There's not much in aircraft. I mean, there's a logbook and things like that. But, you know, most of that's pretty benign stuff. I don't really think he'd build cause the damage. It sounds like he caused to this other pilot. Okay. He did some damage. The pilot's down and you're telling me that the door latch to open the cockpit door, which would you agree if he had not gotten that open, this plane would have crashed? Yeah. 100%. Yeah. Nobody would have got in. They say he got it up with his foot, but it's four feet in the air up to that latch. It's just high on me.

17:28So it's hard to say, but yeah, it's up there a little bit. You know, it's hard to say how he did it. But once that's flipped open, then clearly he could open up the door and get some help. All right. So you were in the Air Force and you would know all these protocols. This is exactly what you would have done, but how many pilots would not know this? I mean, is it, were they lucky that this was the pilot, the captain that absolutely knew what to do and was able to do it? Was this guy Rambo or something? Or is it something that most pilots would know exactly what to at least try to do? Well, I think most people would know, hey, I'm in trouble and I've got to get some help up here. He would have known that he had the dead hitting crew members in the back. So he would have known he had adequate help behind him if he could just get the door open. So I would think that everybody would think about that. I mean, I sort of go through a safety check myself whenever I get in the plane and things to think about. I would hope that he would, but you know, once again, he's got a fair amount of rambo and he may have just to survive the attack. Right. Is there anything that the terrorists, the co-pilot could have done to prevent that door

18:33from being open? Is there a secondary lock? Is there anything he can do? Like, like, if somebody, if there was somebody pounding or beating on the door of that aircraft, trying to get in, even though you know the door is secure, is there something secondarily that's like, okay, this is extra safety? Is there anything that the co-pilot could have done and maybe didn't do? Yeah, there's another set of locks you can turn basically look like a deadbolt that would have kept him from getting the door open as well. Fortunately, he didn't get a chance to do that. Wow. So once the switch was flipped up in the door, it could open and the people could come in. This is starting to sound like the captain was much better in the situation than the terrorist. Yeah, that's a good point. Thankfully, thank God. I know kidding. I mean, unbelievable. Okay, so the door gets open and some men come up and apparently they subdue him. And one of the men said that Nihahu met him when he got back to Tel Aviv, he's like, hugging the guy and there's blood on him because they were with the pilot and, you know, all this other stuff. And in the told reporters, you know, I watched these shows on TV.

19:35I know how to subdue somebody and I got him down. And then another guy apparently tied his hands or tied him up with some sort of either cables or like phone line. Is that from like the microphone, the intercom? Are there things in there that they could time up with? Because the passengers wouldn't have that on them. No, there's things. It was probably the microphone. We have a handheld microphone. It's got just a, looks like a old school telephone cord. I'm sure he pulled something like that out and used that to time up. Plus then once the door got open and the other thing got in control, then they have, you know, sort of hand cuff type things in the back. I'm sure they could have used later. But for the initial one, it sounds like it was the cord. Well, and this is pure conjecture on my part. But I can't imagine getting that to position, getting into that position and whatever that man was using to stab the pilot, not using that to stab to subdue this co-pilot. I mean, I don't know if he has injuries or not. They haven't really said. I, I mean, I'm just thinking if I were one of the two or three dudes up in there, I'd be like, Hey, let's jab this guy. We got a land this plane and we don't need him getting up or breaking this cord or whatever.

20:35I don't know whether it would have done that or not. Maybe they just sat on the guy for the last 40 minutes or whatever it took to land the plane. But I mean, does that sound like something they would think they'd just like sat on him? Is there room in there for all these people? How do you fit everybody in there and do this? Well, I'm sure they pulled him out of the cockpit. There's not much room in that cockpit at all of a 737. It's, that's why in the original fight, I'm sure that it was quite a scuffle. And, but you know, I'm sure they got him out of the cockpit and by then I'm sure they had more than enough passers that were willing to help dogpiling basically and holding down. Yeah. And if he didn't have the weapon and the new pilots were then in the cockpit, they probably re-lock the door at that point. I would assume so, yes. I don't know, but you would never know if there's round two going on in the back. So the cockpit, I'm sure once the other pilots got inside it went on lockdown, which means they secure the door and they don't open it for any reason at all till they're safely landed. So I just think of weird things here, John. I'm thinking, all right, if I'm one of the dudes that's got this guy subdued and here

21:38comes these other two people saying their pilots, why do I believe him? And why do I believe if they are pilots? And I've got one pilot on the ground that tried to kill the other. If I surrender the cockpit to these people, I guess it's your only chance at this point that things free falling and we can get into that in a moment. But would they have ever hesitated and thought, well, I'm not sure I can trust these two guys to come in and fly this plane? No, I don't think so. I think that they would have, because once again, they were dead hating crew members going for the, to fly the plane after they landed. So the uniform, so they didn't use the form. More than likely any uniform, yes. Fly the tennis everybody else would have known who they were. They would have checked in with the, and you never know, even though the captain was hurt, he could have easily said, yes, these guys are good. Let them, let them do it. Okay. Let's talk about what these new pilots had to do now. And we don't know the time frame. How long this all took, but it sounds like it was really fast because that plane went from 33,000 to 15 for in under two minutes, maybe under 90 seconds, maybe around a minute. Tell me how fast this was going. What was happening on board with the people that were on?

22:40What were they feeling and what happened to this airplane while it was doing this? Well, so for starters, the aircraft was, the max aircraft speed was exceeded. They're saying they got up around Mach 1.0, which is the speed of sound. They would have had to have held the control column full forward, because the plane does not want to do that. The Boeing has built a, the 737 max is an incredible aircraft. It wants to fly. It doesn't want to crash. So they were forced, would have been forcing it down. When the new pilots got in there and got in the seat, I assume the first thing they were doing is recovering it, which is coming out of the dive. And where you'll see that it looks like they climbed 10,000 feet there for just a little bit. Well, they didn't really climb the 10,000. That was just the rate of climb they got into. And I'm sure a lot of that was to just kill the speed because they were going so fast that they were worried about parts of the aircraft coming apart, which clearly it did because they lost their rudder in the whole process. So fortunately, the rudder on a 737 is probably the best control surface to lose, but you

23:45don't want to lose any of them. So it literally blew off. And there'll be more come out about that once Boeing analyzes the plane and does some things like that. But it's a testament to the structural stability of the aircraft. In fact, it survived that type of a decent. What other damage would have it incurred and what other difficulties would they have had flying this thing? It's shaken around. Is it rattling? Is it moving right and left? Is it going up and down? How hard is it control doing this? Well, coming out of that heap of a dive, I'm sure the G forces that they pulled to get it leveled off. It will surprise me if the plane ever flies again. It can bend surfaces. It certainly can bend control surfaces, things of this nature. I'm once again, it would have been very loud. The plane has an alarm at 0.8. It goes off for a little while. It makes a noise and it says, hey, you're overspeed. What's 0.8? That's around, depending on altitude, that's around 500 miles an hour. They went up closer to 700 miles an hour.

24:46I'm sure the wind noise and things like that inside the airplane are very high. There's all kinds of, I'm sure it was shaking very bad. I'm sure there was a lot of wind noise things in that nature. It would be really interesting to see what damage was done to the aircraft. So a plane not as well built, what would have been the biggest probability, like a side of the plane shears off and that's it. You can't control it. It's over. What would be the most likely thing to just fall apart under this condition and that's the end of it? I would think in this condition would have been the horizontal stabilizer because that's the force that caused them to come out of the dive to level off and even climb there for a little bit. It's basically at the tail of the aircraft with the rudder. It's the force that's saying, hey, stop the dot, stop the dot, come back. It held together, thank God. That's the one that will really be damaged on that. Okay. So the piece that the rudder that came off is right next to the piece that saved them. True state, yes. It's the vertical part of that and the horizontal part of it is the elevator.

25:50So that's the part that did a lot of the work. I mean, this is just getting crazier as we go. I can't even imagine. I mean, that's the part where the force was and the rudder's gone and then the stabilizer survives and they pull this thing out of there. What about the actual landing when they get to Saudi Arabia, they're going to land this airplane. How much more difficult is this than just a normal landing trying to do this? Well, without any rudder, you typically don't need a ton of it. So they were probably fine there. I'm sure just the shock in the adrenaline that was going to them probably kept them pretty well jazzed up the whole time. So I sure it was very intense, but I expect the runway's there into Boca long. I'm sure that they did a nice long straight in approach. Just did everything they could possibly do. Maybe did some sort of control ability check just to see what kind of maneuverability the aircraft had. I probably would have probably just picked a spot of the desert and went out and say, okay, can I turn left? Can I turn right? That type of thing just to make sure the aircraft is still on piece.

26:51There's no rudder off-white. I don't think they knew they lost the rudder. Wow. Okay. So what types of things can they check? Let's say you were at 10,000 feet, would you be wondering, I hope the landing gear comes down. How do you know? Are there systems checks? Do you do these things in the air before you attempt to land it? Would they do something different than normal or just go through normal protocols? No, you can do a bunch of things. You could go ahead and configure for landing way earlier, 5,000 feet or something that way of the airplane acts differently when the gear down or you try to extend the flaps and do some of those type of things, then you can at least be prepared for it when it happens lower to the ground. So that's why I say when they did some sort of control ability check, I'm sure they took a part of airspace and just said, hey, we're going to do a little test run here to make sure it all works. Probably went ahead and configured. Probably went ahead and put some flaps out just to see what it was going to do and how the aircraft was going to react. So when they got low to the ground, they would know how to handle it. How many times did you fly in and out of to book?

27:55I'm sorry, what was that? How many times did you fly in and out of there? You were stationed there, right? I was stationed there for a couple months, so I don't know, probably, you know, 34 dozen would be my guess. I give a couple, two, three every day, four or five days a week, so yeah, I don't know. A lot. I feel like every time something happens, it's somewhere you've been and flown in and out of. Well, unfortunately, Kevin, I've been around a lot. That's all that air force, man. That's all that air force. Yeah, I think so. I think you're right. That's simply amazing. Okay, a couple of just kind of weird personal things here. First of all, if those pilots had not been on the plane and the regular, the captain was incapacitated and couldn't land the plane, could anybody else, anybody else have landed that plane? That plane could auto land. So it could have sort of done it itself, if somebody talked to somebody through it, assuming the captain was so incapacitated that he couldn't have got in the sea to do

28:57it, he could have probably talked somebody through the procedures to get it to do it. So, you know, yeah, it could have done, it could have taken care of. They're very capable aircraft. So that would be like by GPS or something? How does that work? That plane stopped when it's on the ground automatically. Well, that would have been a different thing entirely. Okay, that's what I'm getting at. Somebody was going to have to be in a seat, right? Somebody's going to have to get in a seat and fly the brakes. That's a true statement. And how hard is that? So it would break down two ways and it'll do a lot myself. But sooner or later, somebody's got to be able to drive it. But aren't there multiple actions? Don't you get it down and then have to do the reverse thrusters and the brake and the steer it and the whole thing? And aren't there multiple things to do? There are. And all those are correct. You like say you land, you pull off the reversers, you know, use the brakes or use the auto brakes that the aircraft has, which will get you slowed down pretty good, you know, about 50 or 60 mile an hour. But then somebody's got to put their hand on the wheel because now you're steering like

29:59a steering wheel and applying the brakes. So I think at that point, somebody, you know, anybody could have probably done it. Fortunately, with that other air crew there, they were fully qualified in the aircraft. So it was another thing. I know. I'm walking through this, you know, we're all, we're just civilian. We're just passengers had our kernel. We're just wondering, hey, what would this be like if they hadn't been there? Somebody was going to have to step up through it. How often? So I've done touch and goes. I've done a little bit. I love flying. But I'm not, yeah, 180 passengers. It's very unlikely that there wouldn't be some sort of a private pilot on there, right? Maybe somewhere had some experience almost always out of 180 people. Um, yeah, quite a bit. You'd be surprised. All people have a little general aviation knowledge and just the general public people. But even if we knew it, even if we knew a guy that had a piper or was a crop duster at Western Kansas, we'll take that in the cockpit, right? Right. I mean, it sounds like Independence Day now, you know, the movie where Randy Quaid goes

31:03in there and does what he does. But I'm just imagining these scenarios and how terrified these people were. Did they experience pain? You said it was really loud. What would happen with their ears and would they get headaches from the drop? Well, so the biggest thing on the ears would be the pressurization. So they went from cruise altitude to, you know, almost on the ground in a very rapid time. So the aircraft has to try to adjust for that. It can only do it so fast. So I'm sure everybody's ears popped. That's not even if they rupture in your drum. That's not the end of the world type of a thing. That's a physiological issue. I'm sure there was people in the back that were sick from it just to do the fact that some people get sick flying. Well, this would have been that times 10. So I'm sure there had some of those type of things. But fortunately, all that's recoverable. Okay. Final question because I know you're busy and you got to catch another flight here. You flew on this day with a co-pilot with you from Egypt and you guys had great discussions about what was going on.

32:04You say he's a super guy. You know him in the whole deal. What was that like? What do pilots talk about when something like this happens? Well, clearly it's all over the news and everywhere you're at today. So it's hard to avoid it. So just the conversation on our different legs. You know, he's from that part of the world and he has a unique perspective compared to other people. He told me, you know, he knows the area and knows the type of industry and the climate over there and thought that, you know, like, say, fortunately, we have the guy that was causing the problems. And I'm sure they will get the truth out of him when we're another. And, you know, that was his opinion. They will get the truth out of him. Okay. And so this was, I mean, percentage chance this thing was going to land and everybody was going to live. When you heard the scenario, one pilot stabbing the other, he's out of his seat, he's laying on the floor bleeding. Are the chances this plane that they're going to, they're going to smash, he's going to hit in the ground or take it to tell him even to a building or whatever he can do? What are the chances of this outcome? What percentage chance is this outcome?

33:05I would say less than 10%. There, several years ago, there was one, I was, the flight was called German wings. I don't remember the flight number. But basically the copilot did sort of the same thing. He just waited for the captain to get up to go out and use the restroom. Loctim out. He locked him out and crashed the aircraft in the mountains. So what in that in the mountains or something? It was like any helps. Yeah. So, you know, that was 100%. The fact that this happened and the guy was still unable to defend himself to fighting off his best he could to get the help that he needed to get all that sort of stuff. Hardly, it's hard to believe how lucky we are that this wasn't more of an incident than it is. How often do pilots get mental health evaluations? Or do that? You know, not very often. Not very often. I mean, other than looking at your friend, looking across the cockpit of the guy sitting next you, but you don't go in for any professional counseling or anything. Wow. Wow. Colonel, I know you're busy, buddy.

34:05I can't thank you enough for your time. This was an amazing tutorial on what happened. We are all just fixated on this story and we're so happy that those people are healthy and alive and that plane is down. Thank you, sir, for all of your years of service and the great work you're doing at Southwest flying folks around and we really appreciate you, man. You're the best. Well, glad to help Kevin. Any time and I wish you the best of well. I'd like to say just I'm just thankful for the outcome that we got. That is my friend, Colonel John Clark. Simply amazing. I hope you enjoyed that as much as I enjoyed talking to you. I interviewed him after he'd flown to Chicago today and had a one hour layover before captaining a flight to Houston. He said, I got an hour in between flights. You want to do it? I'm like, yes. Yes, I want to do it. Yes. What a great American. What an awesome, awesome dude. Good stuff there. Colonel Clark. Tickets for less.com is a great sponsor. KKI. We appreciate everything they do. The chiefs are on fire. You want to see a college football game. We got college basketball getting ready to start up. Maybe you want to go see some major league postseason baseball or you want to go on the road

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37:11snow forecast for winter. He's got KUMU forecast for this weekend and he's going to give us a chief's prediction. Again, lezac is business the last few years has been weather 2020.com, but Jeff Penner, who was his cohort sidekick at KSHB recently, quote, retired. Well, I was like, wait, Jeff Penner is too young to retire. He didn't retire. He may have retired from TV. Lezac hired him to come work for him and they're starting a new venture called lezacweather.com. It's all the weather you ever need on one website. They're going to be developing an app to go along with it. They're going to do live weather. It's basically live Kansas City weather podcasting and when we have severe weather, they're just going to be on. Just go to the website and it's on. You can watch it on your phone while Monday night football is on so it doesn't interrupt the game. I mean, you can do it. Everything's on demand, just like KKH. So Lezac's doing the same thing. He's sort of copying the KKH. Playbook here, which I like. I'm very happy with him doing that and it's uniquely and distinctly Kansas City.

38:13So go, Gary, go. We are on your side and we love that. The big event that's like been causing our rain here, oddly enough, is from hurricanes that have been happening in the Pacific. It's sort of the beginning of a super El Nino year. And I asked Gary, how do we know it's a super El Nino year? He said it has to do with the temperature of the water and the Pacific. So there's only the third super El Nino in like 30 years. They don't happen very often. Typically it means more rain for the western part of the United States, but then more snow for us. We're getting more rain from this already and maybe more snow. So I thought I'd ask him about the super El Nino and how much California rain is coming and how much snow is coming in Kansas City. Which scenario will it be? Yeah, I lean towards it being wet in California and very well maybe. But let's see how the LRC said that I can confirm. All right. So for most of our listeners here in and around Kansas City to Peaca Columbia throughout Kansas, Missouri, what they want to know right now, my wife must have brought this up

39:13five times over the weekend with people. She's like, what are you going to call, Lee, Zach? What are you going to have on the show again? I need to know if it's going to be cold and snowy this winter because Gary, if you don't know this famously a couple of years ago, on my podcast in March predicted it was going to rain during the chief's opener in September and he was right. I mean, you've got this long forecast thing kind of down. So what does our winter look like here in Kansas City area? Well, we won't know for sure until the LRC sets up, but here's what's happened to other three super out of New New York in Kansas City in 1982, 83, 23 inches of snow. So above average, significantly above average snowfall that winter, 1997, 1998, 1998, 19 inches of snow. Okay, very good. But again, here we are, 2015, 2016, probably related to California being dry. We only had 5.9 inches of snow. So tell your wife 67% chance it's going to be snowier than normal, but there's that 33% probability of be less snowy.

40:14How I will make that call in November. So let's get in early December, early December is when we issue the winter forecast. We wait because we need to see what the LRC does. Awesome stuff. Well, Gary, congratulations to you and the new site is Lee'sacweather.com. You're a dear friend. Nobody loves weather more than you or is more dedicated to it. You've not just made a career on, you know, it's something you've never burned out on. Like a lot of people burn out in their careers for doing it for a long time. I feel like you love weather as much today as ever and you're starting new businesses. And I think this audience respects that in an enormous way. Lee'sacweather.com. We wish you the very best, buddy. Let's go get them and let's see if the G what about a chiefs raider score before I let you go first on. Thank you very much. By the way, if you want to know the Saturday for the college games, it's going to be a spectacular day in your 70 degrees and no chance of rain. But the chiefs, it's raider week. It's a rare week. And the chiefs play the raiders in Vegas and they need to win and get to 4-0. We got to stop the raiders.

41:14Got a score for me. Well, let's just go close. I hate to say this, but 20, 27, 24, I'll take it. I'll take any kind of win. Gary, thank you so much. I'll see you next time. I'll see you next time. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Gary Lee'sac. His new site is lezacweather.com. They're going to do live weather every morning and have all kinds of updates and follow events. And there you go. You love Gary Lee. Everybody loves Gary Lee'sac. You love Gary Lee'sac. Go to lezacweather.com. Okay. Coming up is the final final here at KKH. I brought to you by our friends at Buck disposal online at BuckDesposal.com. Got a great email from a gentleman who does a whole bunch of business with BuckDesposal. It's a long time listener. He's a patron of KKH. And he's just, it's just awesome. He was asking about window world. He's like, I got a window thing. Do you have a window company? I said, sure, windowscansacity.com window world. I gave him the phone number. I said, thank you very much, sir, for considering our sponsors who are all at one website, thekklist.com.

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44:27for Pete Schneider at Accumendek builder.com. Our final final is kind of a sad story. Reports indicate that Phil Mikkelson the pro golfer legendary pro golfer is in treatment for family trauma and addiction. Okay, this is going to be educated speculation, but why not? Most indications are his addiction is sports gambling. He's lost millions through the years. He's made millions. One of the reasons he went to live golf, which maybe ruined his life or changed his life as they paid him $200 and some million dollars guaranteed to just come do it. He had gambling debts. He's been involved in things. Not good. But then reports came out that he got kicked out of his club in California, basically a club that he started, they kicked him out because he had an incident with a cart girl that was sexual in nature. Another PGA tour pros X wife came forward and said he used to send me pictures of his stuff like stuff stuff like sick. I don't know.

45:28So maybe it's sports gambling and sex. I don't know, but we were always always Phil fans and we liked him and it clearly got to him. It happens with an awful lot of people with fame and fortune. It seems to happen a lot in golf, doesn't it? And it's the same stuff. It's the same stuff kind of a sad thing there. Phil Mickelson, hope he gets help. His wife is not wearing. She's been seen in public without a wedding ring. She's not wearing a wedding ring. So I don't know what they want their future to be, but we wish them the very best. I would love to see Phil healthy, well and playing golf again because he, at his height, he was so much fun to watch because he was a swashbum. He went for everything. For the all-time greats, Phil Mickelson, in treatment for family trauma and addiction. Our final final today at Kevin Kiezman has issued. Kevin Kiezman has issues, has been presented by Roberts Robinson Chevrolet GMC and is produced

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