9-30-26 Sloan with Adam Aaro

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1:01Do you want to be an American idiot? Scott Sloan's Health, this is 700-WRW. Jump right into it on this midweek morning and no surprise, Caleb Flynn, a story that has captivated the state, as well as the rest of the country, found guilty on every count. The former Worship pastor, American Idol contestant was seeing crying, he was misting up. I would imagine so because sentencing happens Monday and it ain't looking good if you're Caleb Flynn. Jerry and Tip City took two hours to convict him of murdering his wife. He is datein 24-7 now, datein now 24-7 news, rather an ABC 22, Adam Aero on the show on 700 WLW to a recap once again, everything that went on in the case. Adam, welcome back. I've been very good. Thanks, guys. I appreciate you. I know you guys are super busy. I appreciate you taking time out. The jury heard this and they came back rather quick. I thought for sure, I'd be like, all right, and here's your jury instructions. You can go and deliberate in the jury room and the foreman or four woman probably was that, no, I think we're good right now. You guys, you got

2:05good. We don't have to go back. I thought they would just go, yeah, we don't really have to go anywhere. Guilty. I'm surprised it took two hours, but nonetheless, I don't think that speed surprised anybody, including yourself. No, I don't think it didn't. If you read a lot of the comments, I think people felt kind of the same way. The defense would argue throughout the case that the prosecution, the faith case was all sort of confidential because they didn't have the weapon. They were just connecting dots that weren't there as they put it, meeting with doctors as they put it, that they all they were doing was basically convincing them of having an affair, but not of the murder itself. When you go on the faith side, the amount of circumstantial evidence was overwhelming. I think to anyone who watched that trial, and when they did closing arguments, I thought the prosecution, especially prosecutor-watched, but the end who closed, put it quite simply, it's common sense based on everything that we know about what happened that night and the evidence

3:05that was presented. Yeah, I found guilty on all the counts, sentencing is on money, we'll get to that. What was that moment like in the court, you saw that when the verdict was actually right, I'd imagine tremendous relief for the families, but what was the general feel? Well, it was silent. The judge had warned not to have any outbursts. There was a great deal of family, obviously, of unashely side that was there. I can only imagine the overwhelming emotion that they felt in that moment, but it was very quiet. You could hear a pin drop, I think is what some had commented, but they walked out. There was no hoot and hollering. It was quiet. You could see him Caleb weeping, and the family was let out. They didn't speak to the media, which I completely respect and understand. They did release statement, essentially saying they want Ashley to be not remembered for how she died, but how she lived. Yeah. I thought that was on

4:07their part that was absolutely inspiring saying, Hey, listen, we're not going to let this guy define Ashley. We're not going to let her define our lives. We're going to move forward in her honor, and our remembrance and what she did while she was here for that true period of time. We're not going to let this hang over our heads the rest of our lives because that would give Caleb Flynn some satisfaction. I thought that was an incredible thing to say in that statement. I'll pivot back to the defense's closing argument. In some said, it felt like an insult to the jury relative to botan or that would be the mistress or testimony that it felt like that they were badgering the jurors at the end. Maybe a strategy of desperation, I guess. Well, I think a lot of people were commenting that they were surprised. The defense didn't call any witnesses. Obviously Caleb did not testify. His lead defense lawyer mentioned that the reason why was because he had been interviewed by police. The jury had watched all those interviews with police. He thought that that was the fight and they didn't need to go down that path again.

5:10That's central. That's central. Right. But yeah, if you read the comments on our live streams and any live stream they could see, I think the general consensus was the method in which the closing happened was a bit aggressive. I mean, it was a bit. I don't want to say kind of sending, but I think it was a bit. I'm trying to figure the right words, guys. I think you know where I'm going with this. Yeah, yeah, that was the general. I think that was the general consensus from viewers. It's not for me to say, you know, I'm not a lawyer. Sure, sure. It was sort of a abrasive towards the jury. I guess it'd be the way to. Yeah, I think that was the consensus in the comment section. I think it maybe it was just here. Okay, well, we, he's pretty much dead to rights. What else do we have? If you believe essentially the paraphrase was if you believe her or the mistress, then you're out of your mind, which, you know, she gave really thoughtful testimony. I thought, plus, I mean, there was something else that we didn't know in this that the prosecutors lead really hard on Caleb Flynn's

6:13Apple Watch data. What was on her? Yeah. So that was big because he had told police that he had been sleeping. He'd been battling. He'd hold and I, you know, he would on the couch, etc., etc., but that watch showed multiple moments of him taking steps and moving around in, you know, whatever he was doing in those moments during that timeline that that fits right around the time that they think she was shot. So it seemed to contradict what he told police that that Apple Watch data. You know, the other things got that struck me personally as I listened to it was they did have cameras in that house and they had cameras in that entryway that he claimed the intruder broke in through. Those were taken down by him 20 days before the murder. So, you know, that just adds to that circumstantial evidence of what the prosecution argued of this was planned. This was intentional

7:13and it was staged to look like a break. Yeah. The defense ever explained the circumstances surrounding him removing those cameras? Not that I recall. I don't want to speak out of turn, but not that I recall. You know, there was so much testimony. It's got obviously, I mean, we're talking six, seven hours a day. Yeah. That was a part that I may have missed. So, a part of the investigation. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, I don't recall. I don't recall that aspect of it. Yeah. Yeah. We're all one man bands in this business anyway. He's Adam Arrow. We're in many, many hats these days as it is. Adam Arrow at Dayton 24, seven now in ABC 22 news and the Caleb Flynn verdict coming in as predicted as everyone predicted that he was going to be found guilty sentence. He comes up on Monday. Leah botnar's her. She had some credibility problems on the stand though. Relative to lost devices and lying to the FBI. Did that didn't seem to hurt the prosecution's case at all? No, I didn't. You know, I think there was a lot of there's a lot

8:17of comment in the chat on the live streams about, you know, why wasn't she questioned more as far as, you know, potential involvement in the case. What did she know? What did she not know? And obviously, the coincidence for her losing her laptop and her phone right or, you know, right around time of this was was pretty interesting. But you know, there are credits she got up there and she, you know, read those messages, which I can only imagine how difficult that was to hear from the family, especially with how she and Caleb referred to Ashley in those messages. Yeah. Could you tell the, did she get a deal with prosecutors for immunity on this? Where she's are implicated? How that got not no, not the world where there was never any there was never any indication that she got any kind of she came right she she came right at once and said, yeah, he did it. Here's the thing that the jury hung up on is the one text out of what 100,000 texts. I choose you. I am free. That's pretty damning. I mean, if I'm in the jury box, I'm thinking

9:18he just admitted what happened and so coincided with her death. Well, yeah, I mean him saying actions will come tomorrow. We're not scared to do this. You know, the month away, you know, obviously there was a toxicity in that relationship that went beyond the pale of what anyone could have wanted or expected. And that relationship seems to me, based on, you know, testimony is what, you know, led them down that path to be in that situation to begin with. You know, it's tough to imagine that you would rather go down the road of murder than divorce. It's tough to comprehend. It really is something. It really is something. No murder weapon ever found. That didn't seem to be a difficult hurdle for prosecutors to jump over. No, it didn't. You know, and and Alia testified that he had shown her that that gun in his truck that he kept in the middle console there. And when investigators look in that truck, he was open. There was nothing in there. So whatever happened at murder weapon, I don't think

10:22will ever know. But well, maybe maybe at some point, but not in the near future. But yeah, again, the circumstantial evidence, I think, was so overwhelming that it didn't even matter. It does make a more difficult proof in a case like this, but in any murder case, but I think in this particular one, with how much circumstantial evidence there was pointing to him. And the fact that there was less than there was no evidence of anyone else in the house, but him. Well, the, you know, the camera, he took the cameras down 20 days prior as the prosecutor said the abokins argued the garage door damage occurred while the door is already open and said, what kind of intruder damage is the door after they're already inside? That's a great way to frame it. Well, it is. And in the way that, you know, the, the, the FBI investigators put it to that, you know, they had never seen any kind of intrusion that looked like that. It did not look like that in the, in the air opinion, they could date. So, yeah, it all up. And it showed you why it only

11:24took about two hours for the jury to come to the final stage in on all that. Well, they say most criminals are really, really dumb. This would certainly back that claim up based on all the things that even wearing the Apple watch for crying out loud. I mean, not, not very well thought out, even though he was thinking about doing this over a period of, it seemed like mons, right? Well, in prosecutors, they used the leading apps in the hours before or deleting, you know, messages. You know, there, there was a lot going on, you know, like prior, including that message of saying that it will be free. So, yeah, to your point, I think if you look at it from the outside, yeah, it was not, it was not a smart, not a smart, smart guy. The defense of the jury pulled individually any sense? There was any jury that has a tape in on us? Not, not to my knowledge. No, I will say that the defense spoke to reporters afterwards and just say that they're looking to appeal. I'm sure they don't need to pay attention to. Yeah. Did they mention on what grounds? Yeah, they said it's basically on, oh gosh, it was on design and shoot. You know, I'm lacking.

12:30Yeah, that's fine. It was what they're, it was essentially what their argument was in court that they, you know, that you don't have the murder weapon. You don't have, you know, you don't, you can't place the gun in his hand. Right. Right. So, you know, they're going to try to go after that. Yeah, I mean, she was obviously shot to death and if he didn't do it, he hired someone to do it. So, we're back in different trial, I guess, but I'm not sure that that appeal is going to, going to work. But, you know, in most people misunderstand that, I know you don't. And in some people listening, but, you know, they don't appeal and go, wow, they got it wrong. We'll do it again. No, it's based on the grounds of, you know, generalists, it's procedural in nature. That's what they'll fight it and very rarely does that work. Looking back over the past eight days, if there's in your mind, Adam Arrow, what is the biggest single piece of evidence or testimony you think jurors couldn't get past it really? Because that's you would have come down to in cases like this. There's all this information coming at you and there's overwhelming evidence that he did it clearly. This is a pretty easy one, but usually there's one or two things that jurors here and it just, it just hangs in their mind the entire time. Well, I think the, I think that I think prosecutor Wacken did a masterful job

13:38in his closing argument of walking the jury, the jury step by step in very easy to understand language of what happened, how this was planned out, how this was staged, what he was doing, how it conflicted with the technology information that they have at the Apple Watch, the fact he removed the cameras, the text messages, etc., etc. But if I were to guess, I would think that the messages that he sent to Alia the day of or the hours beforehand expressing that things are going to change on the 16th, you're going to be free. Now, it doesn't say he's going to kill her in the message, but the coincidence is pretty overwhelming on top of everything else. I would imagine that that was a pretty big push point. Outside of that, I think just the circumstantial evidence of moving the cameras, the Apple Watch, and also the forensic pathologist who testified regarding

14:43the autopsy and how he couldn't tell that she was shot in the head or that it was bullet, you know, and totally shaved the head based on pictures. And then Caleb was able to figure that out right away in the 911 call. There's definitely a conflict there. And just that there's no there's no other explanation. Yeah, it's not like the defense offered an alternate theory, right? I mean, OJ Simpson like, is it okay? So who then just did this? You're right. There's no evidence of anyone else there. One of the other things they talked about was that, you know, the Nate, because this is a cul-de-sac with a family member. And all the other, you know, ring and other cameras that were on people's houses didn't pick up on intruders, but they picked up on police coming in. So if there wasn't intruder, you would think that there would be some camera evidence of someone else coming in there. I think that was also difficult to overcome as well. Right. Yes, some random, I don't know, nancy-guthary type of intrusion at the exact moment. You have an affair and getting, you know, saying that the problem's going to be over

15:45tomorrow, it just doesn't play out. It violates common sense. So coming up on Monday, we'll have sentencing. That's rather quick too. What kind of time is he looking at? 30 to life. Yeah. I think that's what we're going to be getting on this with the amount of charges between camera and evidence. You know, Flonies was sold, obviously, to aggravated murder as the largest one. So yeah, I think that's where we're headed on this. And then we'll see what happens with the appeal. What the defense decides to do as far as filing an appeal. But, you know, again, it, you know, going back to just Ashley's family, you got your heart goes out to him having this through all that and experiencing that. You know, the strength that they showed throughout the entire process is truly admirable and you know, heart goes out to them. The tips of the city is a small community, obviously, North of Dayton. Adam, you know it very, very well. I have a friend I went to school with that I heard yesterday that he knows the family

16:47very well. It's a very tight knit and that church is very tight knit as well. What do you think the lasting impact is on the community there in tips? Well, I think the hope from the family is that, you know, again, that it's not the murder that's remembered as a person. You know, they sent a video last night just showing clips of Ashley at the church working with children. You know, it's tough not to, you know, get a little bit emotional watching it because you see just the kind of personality that she had in the, you know, the loving sense of self and the giving nature that seems to be who she was. So I think that's kind of the general, the general sense that you heard about. You heard the same thing from the city and from, you know, tip city police and the prosecuting attorney is, you know, just remembering her as a person and not remembering and thinking about the way that she died. Yeah. So when you have a tight knit community like that, I think it's I think they circle the way and we'll take it that way, you know, right? Right. And watch

17:51out for that family and support them as much as they can. Yeah, I imagine, Amelia Botner, the, and she's probably going to have to move somewhere and start a new life from from all of this nonsense that she took part in and had a hand in for sure. Although she's not going to spend time behind bars, Caleb Flynn, most likely will die behind bars as he should for what transpired between he and his life, divorces, it may cost you, but it's a lot cheaper with your life than then what we're talking about here, it's a more sane option. This is absolutely insane. Adam Arrow, he's at date in 24 7 now and ABC 22 news covering this story in depth. Thanks so much for jumping on this morning, buddy. I appreciate it. Kelly, my pleasure. Scott, thanks for the way. Appreciate you. Yeah, just it makes no sense. Just dumb. This is prisons are full of stupid people. Caleb Ferguson, Caleb Flynn, rather, maybe add or near the top of the list is where stupidity goes. Sloane, 712. Dave Roberts here. There you are surrounded by fans, sharing wings, sharing drinks, high-fiving random strangers. Everybody remembers the game. Nobody remembers the guy coughing behind you until a few

18:54days later at 2 a.m. You wake up with a fever and your throats on fire. Now what, urgent care, clothes, ER, slam, telehealth, maybe, but the pharmacies close. You needed a medical emergency kit. These aren't first aid kits. They contain essential prescriptions used for over 30 common conditions, sinus and ear infection, UTI, stomach bug, travelers diarrhea and more. On hand before you need them, use your doctor-developed guidebook to select the right prescription or call their telemedicine doctor standing by. It's like an urgent care and drugstore at home. When you're sick, traveling or stranded, you'll wish you ordered a medical emergency kit. Order online in minutes and it's shipped to your door and say $45 with my promo code blue at urgentcarekit.com slash blue. That's promo code blue at urgentcarekit.com slash blue.