Will Catholics Build the Third Temple? - Ep. 7422

0:00Earlier this month, we asked if Muslims could help make the third temple possible. Now Catholics are entering the conversation. A new Vatican-associated initiative is bringing Jews, Christians, and Muslims together around the future of Jerusalem. Could religious cooperation eventually make the third temple possible? Let's talk about it. Welcome to the End Time Show, Vince Steegal here with Doug Norvel. We're so happy you've joined us today. Go ahead and hit the share button right now. It helps us out so much when you do that. So share. Sometimes you listen to this on a podcast while you're going to sleep at night. If that's you, go ahead and hit share and send the link to somebody, a friend, a family

1:00member that needs to hear about this show. Of course. Who may be going to sleep at this moment? They may be going to sleep as well. Yes. Doug, will Catholics build the third temple? Somebody listening to the podcast right now are watching on one of the social media sites. They probably have a Catholic friend. Oh, I would imagine so. And maybe their Catholic friend needs to hear this show. And see what the Catholics are up to. Now this isn't every Catholic in the world. This is specifically a Catholic organization associated with Catholics, obviously, that's helping the conversation to advance this. And so there's a lot of Catholics that probably don't even know this is happening. Yeah. There's probably a lot of people in general that don't know this app. True. There's stories that kind of got swept under the rug because it came out earlier this month. And so we're just now talking about it.

2:00But the reason why I mean, my radar was up, I saw it when it first came out. And I kept thinking, oh man, we got to talk about this at some point. And so I looked into it a little bit to kind of understand it a little bit more. And there's not a lot being said about it right now. But it's important because it is this is a Catholic initiative to push a inner faithism within Jerusalem on the temple mount. That's what makes it so important. So it's not just the Catholics. Right. So there are religions too. But if you have a Catholic friend specifically, we're going to be highlighting some of that. So make sure you share it with a Catholic friend. We're not bashing the Catholics. We're just telling you what's going on and what that could be leading to according to Bible prophecy. So share it with a Catholic friend right now. And of course share it in general. And then be engaging in the chat. Give us a thumbs up. Give us a heart. It helps so much. Thank you so much for helping us out in that way right now. Before we get into the day show, I want to thank our partner, True Gold Republic.

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4:04All right, Doug. Let's figure out what's going on in Jerusalem. I saw pizza balla in the article and it made me think of pizza, of course. Yeah. And so that got my attention. Have you ever had a pizza ball? I think so. In Chicago, it seems like. Yeah. Because in Chicago, one time in that. Well, with, I've seen a lot of recipes for them too, with me being on Carnivore, you know, you don't eat bread. And so a pizza ball, like what I'm talking about, now they make with just cheese and it looks pretty good. But this is that guy's name. So it's interesting. But yeah. Is he in Jerusalem? He is the patriarch of Jerusalem. So yes, he is literally or he's stated to be. What does that mean? I think he literally is. It's cardinal. I don't need. Like in the Catholic. I say it. Pererabasta pizza balla. Pizza balla. I feel like I need to be there. Peer Batista. Peer Batista. There you go. That's quite an incredible. Cardinal Pierre Batista pizza balla.

5:06The Latin patriarch of Jerusalem. Okay. So he's the Latin patriarch, I guess, in the Vatican. Yeah. The Vatican organization. Right. Okay. Two Jerusalem. And he launched this, and it says this is the kind of a key. And like I said, it's almost like this has been swept under the rug a little bit. Or people hadn't really been paying attention. But because of a study in prophecy and knowing what's coming, we study this stuff and that caught my attention that he launched a permanent interfaith forum in partnership with Notre Dame called within your gates. So think about that because we're talking about Jerusalem. And it's kind of a city without gates, you know, but it's interesting that they say within your gates. The Vatican news says that the objective includes developing alternative narratives. They share them among different religious traditions, Vince, concerning Jerusalem's universal

6:07mission. So the church is saying that they have a universal mission that will include all faiths and not just the Jewish faith. Hmm. Well, I know we do have some Catholic viewers. I'm wondering what Catholics think about that idea in general. When you say the church, you're obviously talking about the Catholic church and the statement is that they, what's I'm trying to find out here, that they believe they're the mission. Is that what the word you used? Where is that at? In that first paragraph there, up there in that very first paragraph it talks about, they're saying that right where your cursor is, concerning Jerusalem's universal mission. Yeah. So that's what the church's job is. So is that what Catholics feel, like just because Cardinal Pierre Batista, Pizza Balla says that and his group, like Pizza Ball.

7:10Well, I didn't say the rest that way. So I didn't want to fully commit. I love saying that. That's just fun to say it like that. I just wonder what a typical Catholic in Dallas, Texas or in Des Moines, Iowa or anywhere the Catholics are here or anywhere around the world. If you're a Catholic, is that the type of thing you're thinking or is this just, you know, because sometimes government officials, if you switch over to politics, you're going to hear a government official say something and you're going, no, Americans don't want that. Right. So is this what Catholics believe, generally speaking? So if you are a Catholic, let us know in the chat what you're thinking there. I'm just curious to know what Catholics generally think about that statement. Yeah. And by the way, this happened on September 7th, is that right? That's correct. The very next day, you and I on September 8th, did a show, Will Muslims build the Third Temple. We highlighted what's going on. And I mentioned that earlier in the show that we did that episode, Will Muslims build

8:16the Third Temple. And now we're doing, will Catholics build the Third Temple? Interesting how these things, we didn't talk about it earlier this month with the Catholics. But we're talking about it now. And it's tied together so closely on the calendar. I just found that interesting. So if you didn't watch that episode, go back and do that. Let's see how the Muslims and the Catholics might work together. What else do we need to know about Cardinal Pierre Batista Pizabala? Well, there's so much to understand in this, Vincent. This is what people need to really concentrate on because when you see stories like this, unless you're in prophecy, this may be nothing to you. You might just see something like that and go, oh, wouldn't that nice? But when we look at it from a deeper prophetic lens, we've got to understand what all this has to do with Vincent. And so it's a bigger picture than maybe a lot of people understand. But this initiative called Within Your Gates, it's a form of the universal vocation of Jerusalem. And it's developed with the University of Notre Dame's Academic Center in Jerusalem.

9:20So it's focused there is in Jerusalem itself. And it brings together scholars, participants from different religious traditions to discuss Jerusalem in religious significance, reconciliation, and peace in its future. So why is that important? Because of the fact that when we look at an initiative like this, let's just think back to what? In 2016, President Trump's first term when he was there and he initiated the Abraham Peace Accord, but it was called Peace for Prosperity at that point. So you can go back, you can search the archives, you can look at WhiteHouse.com or whatever the address is there. Go up. Go up, there you go. And when you go there and you check that out and you look at this document, if you want to look at the Peace for Prosperity, one of the things President Trump said is that when it comes to the Temple Mount, he believed that all religions should be able to worship

10:23there with respect to all the other religions. So that was something that he said in the initial peace plan. Well now we've got the church there, the Catholic Church that's represented for Jerusalem, saying, with inter gates, we have this opportunity for inner faithism to make the Temple Mount for everyone, not just Muslims, not just Jews, not just Muslims and Jews, but for anyone that would like to come up. So that is something that is, this is a huge thing because that's very prophetic and what Scripture says. Well yeah, and of course we're highlighting that and some people are watching going, what's wrong with that? That sounds wonderful. Right. And I guess in a sense, it's wonderful that the idea that everyone could get along, like that would be nice, can't we all just get along? However, we know that there's deeper prophetic meaning and it's not just this simple.

11:25Right. And so that's what we're going to highlight today. This news story comes directly from VaticanNews.va. You can go there and read it for yourself. Like we say around here a lot, don't just trust us, go read it for yourself. The title of the article is within your gates, Jerusalem, pizza, bale, forum, vocation, peace. So what do we need to know about that story? So the interesting thing that I want everybody to understand too is that this is something that's been done in the past. So when you go back and you look at the Council in NICO, we don't talk about it a whole lot here, but if people know their Bible history and they know what happened at those councils, it wasn't just the Council of NICO. There were many councils that Constantine started these councils. And one of the things Vince that Constantine did was he brought in faith leaders from different religions in that area of Rome at the time because what he was doing was he realized that Rome was being, there were religious beliefs that were being disputed and it

12:31was causing a divide or a shift within the empire. And he wanted to bring Christians, pagans, philosophers, and everybody together to talk about how they can move forward in peace and how they could all kind of coincide and be there with one another. And so that is kind of what this remind me of as it says that they're going, this is the University of Notre Dame. I'll read this again, the Academic Center for Jerusalem. And it brings together scholars, participants from different religious traditions to discuss Jerusalem and its religious significance, reconciliation, and peace of its future. Now, that reminds me of something that Paul said in Colossians 2. When you look back in Colossians 2, and I don't have that in the notes, so I'm just going to kind of, I'll live it here or say it the way I remember it, Vince is not going to read it because I don't have the scripture in the notes. But it reminds me of Colossians 2.

13:33When he said, listen, there's going to come a time where people are going to come in with the traditions of man, the rudiments of the world, and philosophies. And he said, they're going to try to take you away from the beliefs that we've left you with. But you're rooted in Jesus Christ, who is the fullness of the Godhead in bodily form. So he tells you, there's people coming in, they're going to try to tear away your beliefs with their traditions, with their philosophies, with the rudiments of the world, and not really based on the biblical teachings that the apostles taught us. Now we believe that that is what calls the falling away that the Bible talks about. But we're kind of in that same place again. And it looks like, you know, when you look through history, Vince, the devil tries the same thing over and over and over. When you look at what Babylon did with Israel during the captivity of Israel, they took the Jewish people into Babylon. They made this statue. And every time you heard the music, you were supposed to bow down the statue, but they refused to do it because they knew their God and they knew that wasn't their God.

14:36And so that's the same thing. When you look in Revelation 13, there's going to be an image of the beast. And if you don't worship the beast, it says they're going to cause you to be killed because you don't worship the beast or the image of the beast. And so the devil's got no new game. He keeps coming up with this stuff over and over. And to me, when I read that, I'm like, Bingo, that's the same thing they tried to do before. They're trying to consolidate all these religions under one thing and say, can't we all just get along? And like you said, on the surface, that might sound pretty good. But if you know Bible prophecy, then you know this is where we're headed. And the Bible says this is where we're heading. It's going to lead to the market of the beast. It's going to lead to worshiping the beast and his image. So just to tease that a little bit, there's going to be a religious system that works hand in hand with that world government system. And this is not going to be a positive thing. Although it's going to come across as positive to a lot of people. It's going to be like, oh, this is a great thing. Of course, we should strive to do this.

15:37But Scripture says that this system is going to be thriving, I guess you could say, just before the second coming of Jesus. And so when we see stories like these that are pushing the world towards that moment, we're going, oh, Scripture says this is coming and that system will be here just before the second coming of Jesus. And if we can show you that system is existing, we can also show you that the end time is not coming, the end time is now. And so you need to be ready. And so we'll dive off into more details about this. Obviously we have several minutes still to go here in this show. We'll be able to highlight and help prove what I just said a little bit more. But we do spend a lot of time on this program asking questions about what's happening in the world as we're doing today. But one question that you can ask today that's a little closer to home is do you actually know what's in the water your family drinks every day? We've covered enough stories about our public water system here in the United States and

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17:41It came out in, I think it's the Jerusalem post. I think I can't remember where that one is. It's the University of Notre Dame. Oh, okay. But the Jerusalem. So there's apparently a Jerusalem location. That is where I got this part of it. And so this is what I wanted to throw out from that particular article, what really caught my eyes. I began to research this and look into it. What he said in that. Can I just clarify real quick, sorry. This is the University of Notre Dame as we say from Indiana. This is the one in South Bend. But they're Jerusalem locations specifically. So apparently they have a campus in Jerusalem or it's part of their not the fighting Irish. No, it is. Yeah, but not that fighting Irish. They don't have a football team in Jerusalem. No, no, but it is that university. But apparently they have a outreach and engagement section specifically in Jerusalem.

18:43They call it Notre Dame Jerusalem. So that's where this story comes from. I just wanted to highlight the connection to maybe if they did have a football team, we could put the Jerusalem Proficy College football team together and play them. Well, I don't know how that would go. I don't need it because most of our college, I want to win, but I'm not sure who would win that. Most of our college participants are probably not up to a game of football. Anyway, we'll move on. So the thing that caught my eye with that particular article was what is quoted here as a pizza by La Sainte. He said he wanted this image to be the image and mirror of the heavenly Jerusalem and a sign of universal reconciliation and peace for humanity. Now remember what he's saying. Now I'm not saying that other religious beliefs can't be saved. I'm not saying that at all because they can if they come to the understanding of who

19:44Jesus Christ is and they go through what he means born again and get baptized to Bible way and understand all that and they're saved like that. It's for everybody. It's for anybody that is no matter what your ethnicity is. And so I'm not saying that what I'm saying is they've said we're going to bring scholars from all these other religions that's to inner faithism that they're bringing together and they want that to image heaven to be a mirror of heaven in Jerusalem. Well heaven is going to be full of all diverse people but they're all going to have one thing in common events. They're going to be children of God. They're going to be reconciled to God through the blood and the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. You're not going to get there through Muhammad and other people and I'm sorry if there's people that think that. Excuse me but that's not going to happen. You have to be washed in the blood of the Lamb in order to go into heaven, what an Italian academic unless a man is born again in water and spirit.

20:47He shall not see the kingdom of God. And so unless you've done that we're not going to have a mirror image in Jerusalem. We can't say well the Muslims worship Jesus and the Jews worship Jesus and the Christians worship Jesus because not all of us worship Jesus. So just want to throw that out that this is a Catholic patriarch over the college there that is saying that this is what they're striving toward. Now when we say that he says also in the same article that the Holy Land is for everyone. So let's think about that for just the second vince. Right now on that temple mount it is starting to open up or loosen up for the Jews to go up there and worship. We're watching that. We'll talk about that a little bit more here in the program but forever since 1967 war especially but even before that only Muslims could go up there because as the Dome of

21:48the Rock has the al-Azqimahs. So for I don't know how many years and if I said it would be wrong so I'm not going to say how many years how many hundreds or thousand years it's been set up that way but right now we know because we've gone up there and we couldn't even pray as Christians you weren't supposed to even though most of us would pray anyway because we can pray without moving our lips and pray to God. And so we can do those things but now it's become almost the status quo is gone because the Jews are allowed to go up there they're allowed to take prayer books they're allowed to blow the trumpet just this past rasha shana they blew the shofar as well as a silver trumpeting trumpet for the temple mount. So these things are loosening up and we're seeing more that happen and like I said we'll talk about that a little bit more but we're watching Revelation 11 really come to life here and in this move toward this and it looks like now the Catholic Church has representative

22:51there that is this is going to be something that they continue it said it was going to be continuing over and over until they get this established so that's what they're looking for. So that's what caught me you know really got my attention in those articles there and so there was a third article that talked about it as well and I went into there and read in there and there were some things that caught my eye there and I think we just need to slow down think about that for a second. Okay what about specifically. So this Catholic leadership it's not just talking about Jews and Christians and Muslims okay being developing this sharing and understanding of what Jerusalem is supposed to be and it's a city for everybody they're they're talking about Jerusalem having a universal mission in this last article and they're talking about a reconciliation between all these religions. Now they're talking about the holy lamb being for every person every single religion out

23:52there now the the thing about that is we've talked about in especially like Pastor talked about it they've talked about it in our understanding the end time about the book parastoric that Michele Gorbachev wrote and how though the new world order was thinking that they would have to get rid of religious inclusiveness or exclusiveness and make it inclusive so that everybody was welcome into the religious realm and it wasn't exclusive to where you could say only my religion gets into heaven even though Jesus said I am the way the truth in the life no man comes before the Father except through me so Jesus himself was exclusive and said this is the only way you get there I just quoted what he said in in John chapter three to Nicodemus that unless you are born again in water and spirit you cannot see the kingdom of God so there were very specific things that our Lord and Savior said in the Bible but man has even taken this into even Christian churches or believing now that everybody can get to have

24:58I mean it doesn't matter if you're practicing homosexual it doesn't matter if you're practicing adulterer of practicing drug addict of practicing alcoholic you can still make it into heaven well they're going to say that his grace is sufficient yeah that there's nothing I can do to earn right his grace and he's freely giving that so how do we reconcile that where I actually just watch the real or I don't remember if it's real I guess a long form video but it was a Catholics arguing with a Protestant that you know they can't earn it but the Protestant asked them well if you get to heaven and Jesus is there and says why should you get into heaven what would you say and the Catholics in this video started to tell them about how they do the rosary they go to mass every week they do all these things and so he said well you're saying that's why you should get

26:01into heaven so it's highlighting that so yeah how do we reconcile that because like who's gonna who's gonna be sin free forever yeah exactly so the whole thing is based on what Christ did for us on on Calvary what he did when he came and lived a perfect life had perfect blood to spill because he never sinned in the devil killed him anyway and broke his own law of sin and death and so when that happened that opened the door for us to have that righteousness be made right with God again and unless you've done that unless you've you know most people Vince they don't even know what the gospel is and when you know Paul stands up there in 1 Corinthians 15 and says here's the gospel that saves you the gospel where you now stand unless you listen to me and vain when I was talking to you that Christ died for our sins that he was buried and that he rose again so he talks about the death the burial and the resurrection and that's the only way we can be saved if by obeying the gospel of Jesus Christ and a lot of the world don't understand that so

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32:28the Vatican cardinal pizza bala is proclaiming that they're going to build the third temple that is not what's happening yeah i don't even think they mentioned the third temple um they're not talking about a peace treaty that'll start the final seven years yeah none of that is happening so what is happening though is some things that obviously we've been talking about that push us that way whether they are coming out and saying it maybe they don't even know it they're just setting the stage we often say pre cursors around here it's a pre-cursor to what is to come and so that's the stages being set they're not proclaiming it specifically but they're helping point the world in that direction this is true yeah yeah we're not making any of those claims what it does appear like they're trying to do though is have this forum to bring peace

33:29to Jerusalem and remember in Zagariah Vince the Lord profside and let us know that he was going to make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all nations and that anybody that burdened themselves with it would dash their foot upon it and so we are beginning to see that become more and more of a thing as we watch anti-Semitism happening all over the world which we've talked about forever about there would be another Jewish Holocaust we're beginning to see that but it's also that's pushing those Jewish people home to Israel lots of Jewish people are making Aliah now and so we're seeing that happen but what this is really what this Vatican move is really about here is they're wanting to bring these face together to establish some type of peace and so that brings us to another prophecy that we know of and which Daniel talks about that we believe that it will begin

34:32the final seven weeks or I mean final seven years but the Bible calls it weeks but weeks or years there in scripture and we believe it's going to start that final seven years so that is a scripture maybe if someone's new they may have never heard before and so if you'll read that scripture for us that's Daniel 927 and he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and ablation to cease and for the over spreading of abominations he shall make it desolate even until the consummation and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate and so this is what we believe that covenant being the peace agreement that covenant being Israel's right to exist in the land goes all the way back to Genesis we've talked about that many times about how God promised the land to Abraham so this is confirming that the Antichrist will confirm that for a seven year period in the middle of that he's going to break

35:34the agreement he is going to cause the sacrifice to stop he's going to set up the abomination desolation now I saw a podcaster say the other day that there doesn't have to be a temple built on the temple mount in order for that scripture to be fulfilled he said there just has to be sacrifice going on and so I wanted to kind of disprove that and show that the Bible says the opposite of that because remember how the book of revelations written in Revelation chapter 1 I believe it's verse 18 or 19 there the Lord tells John to write the things that thou has seen that's chapter 1 write the things which are the chapters 2 and 3 the churches in Asia Minor those churches that the seven letters that John writes to the seven churches and then chapter 4 a lot of people think is the rapture occurs when it says that John was called up in the spirit but he was called up in the spirit because he was about to see heavenly things and he was told to write the things which

36:35thou which must happen hereafter so the things which must take place hereafter is from Revelation chapter 4 to the end of the book and so in Revelation 11 we find out that there will be a temple standing on the temple mount during the end time and if you can read that for us Vince Revelation 11 1 and 2 says and there was given me a read like into a rod and the angel stood saying rise and measure the temple of God and the altar and them that worship therein but the court which is without the temple leave out and measure it not for it is given unto the Gentiles in the holy city shall date tread under foot 40 and two months so this is how we can see and we can understand that there is going to be a functioning temple there it's going to be a building John was told to measure it to measure the the temple the altar the worshipers therein so those that worship

37:38therein they're going to have to be within the temple and so this is letting us know there's going to be a physical temple on the temple mount but they're going to leave out the outer court which is about where the dome of the rock stands according to where they're saying they could build the Jewish temple there on the temple mount if you look at a map of the temple mount maybe a aerial view of it you'll see the dome of the rock and just to the north of the dome of the rock there is a platform there big enough to put the temple and have the temple there leaving the dome of the rock alone so that they would be able to have them side by side and who knows Vince there may be an area up there for a Catholic church to be built to and it will be something similar to the Abraham house that they have in the UAE who knows what what we're looking at but John describes that there will be a temple that there will be worshipers there there will be sacrifices going on and the city will be trought and underfoot for 42 months so it's letting us know that when that Antichrist confirms this covenant says Israel has a right to do this that they're going to be

38:39able to build a temple on the temple mount and then when he stands there and he stops the animal sacrifices this starts the great tribulation so we we understand all that we understand there's a temple there's an altar and there's worshiping going on and that specifically the outer part of it is given to the Gentiles that's what the Catholic Church is talking about here they're talking about a sharing arrangement of all that area similar to what we talked about before Vince when we talked about the Peace for Prosperity plan that all religions would be able to worship on the temple mount as long as they had respect for the other religious holidays going on there and so somehow or another we're going to arrive to that whether or not this is part of it I can't tell you for sure I don't know if this is part of it but one of the interesting things Vince that we know is that at some point the Antichrist is going to stand there and so we know that there's going to be

39:41Gentile people there around that area just like the Bible says we believe that whoever the false prophet is at the time will be the Pope because the Bible says in Revelation 13 that he looks like a lamb but he speaks like a dragon the Bible says he pulls fire down from the sky in the sight of man if he can do miracles like that he can surely point to a person that they can say this is your Messiah who will be the Antichrist and all that is going to happen probably on that temple mount and so when we look at that this is a big deal it's a bigger deal than what I think a lot of people understand and for the Catholic Church to be so involved in it and say this going be an ongoing process that's a major turning point I believe in prophecy and especially in our understanding of what's going to take place there in Jerusalem. So you said maybe there would be room for a Catholic Church. When I think about the temple mount

40:43I'm going where would that be? Could it be that they would just have a dome? You know some of the some of the stops you would go to there might be a little dome and then a little little bowl in there for you to put change in when you visit there's nobody even there. Could it be something like the dome of spirits is there? Could that be maybe a little monument or something instead of a whole building? Could be. I mean it could be anything. I mean we don't know for sure what that if that will even happen. The only reason why I bring it up is I feel like they modeled that Abrahamic house like that. They've got in the United Arab Emirates they have the Abraham house and they have a mosque they have a synagogue and they have a Catholic church all right there together and they're not huge it's not like some big cathedral type of thing but even if they had some type of church there which they have churches close to the temple mount

41:51but to have one there you know we've talked about that space that's over in front of the eastern gate. There is a space there that they've even said before they've talked about putting a synagogue there. In the past they've had those discussions. Well what if the Catholic church said hey build your temple here and then allow us to build a Catholic church here so that all faiths can come up because we're here more and more talk like that even from Jewish political leaders who are in the Knesset saying you know the temple mount should be a sharing place for all nations to come into and so who knows Vince I mean we don't have scripture for that to say they'll even be a Catholic church up there but with the Catholic church being so involved in this peace initiative I mean it would make sense if they did something like that so interesting where we are right now in this particular story talking about this because it's bringing those faiths together and it's an attempt to not leave the temple mount in any one person's control.

43:01Their view on this is going to be the temple mount should be for the world and it should be under a sharing arrangement. We already know that the Vatican is pushing for a two-state solution where they believe the Palestinians should have Easter-Islam and have the West Bank and all that area in there with Judea Samaria and so Catholic church is pushing for those the tops of things and it looks like now they are going to be pushing for a sharing arrangement on the temple mount which is huge because that's what Revelation says and that's what we've been preaching for a long time and that's what we're moving toward apparently in this article. What should the typical Catholic out there do in response to this information? A lot of times when there's a political thing we'll tell someone to call their senator or call their state rep or whatever it may be. If a Catholic's watching right now what do we tell them to them? Well Vince I mean the thing is I revelation 18

44:03force has come out of her people and so we believe that that's talking about the Vatican in Rome and just the Vatican in Rome or well let's talk about the Harle and her many daughters so there's a lot she has a lot of daughters so she has a lot of Protestant churches too but the thing is is that we we're not going to stop this it's prophetic information this is prophecy this is going to come to pass but we don't have to be involved in we don't have to be in those organizations that are pushing for this inner faithism. Interfaithism even as good as that might sound that is not true Christianity I mean true Christianity is believing that there is one God in that you know unless you are born again you're not going to be in the kingdom without one God and so I'm trying to tiptoe around some things without just you know pouring cold water on a cat right now Vince but there I mean that that's a deeper discussion that we need for another time probably but we we do want

45:07people to get in the Word of God and begin to look and search for yourself and see and ask God you know leading guide me Lord if I'm in a false religion or if I'm in something that's leading me astray and doing things against the will of God then help me to see that and get out of that you know and that's what you know we want to do but this whole thing being led by a a Catholic representative right now and this is an initiative he's saying he's not going to stop they're going to continue to do this this is this plays right into prophecy plays right into revelation 11 right into revelation 13 and so I don't think we're ever going to be able to stop it but search the scriptures you know because I mean the Bible tells you do that search the scriptures because in them you think you have salvation but they are those that testify of me the Lord says so test the scripture search the scriptures and ask God to help you if you're in something that you need to get out of anything that pertains to anything not just the religious organization you're involved in but

46:12if you're involved in anything else ask God hey if this is making me wrong then get me right you know that's the whole thing man you dropped a little land mine in there reference but referring to the Roman Catholic Church as the harlot yeah and I just wanted to add real quick that might have been really shocking for someone that was the cold water on the cow well let me bring it back up uh... that's not one of the re I wanted to re highlight that Doug simply to say that I actually have a Catholic Bible yeah uh this isn't uh uh wherever you know it's not a Christian Bible it's a Catholic Bible uh with Catholic commentary and in that Catholic Bible their own commentary identifies the Catholic Church as that harlot yeah and so that might have been I think we've read that before on you showed it yeah we have should have brought it this morning but uh one thing that uh I guess I'm just wanting to highlight there is that what you said might have been someone's first time hearing

47:12that we've got a lot more to say about that we don't have time to unpack all that today but just know there is Roman Catholic commentary out there that identifies the Roman Catholic Church itself yeah as that uh mother church the mother the mother harlot mother of harlot yes so just wanted to add that little tidbit in yeah and you're absolutely right and and you know I mean this is and a lot of people Vince they want to say America's mystery Babylon but we don't fit any of those clues and if you're really searching with an open heart and an open mind I think you begin to see the truth of that and like you said their own Bible uh identifies them as the harlot church and so in Revelation 17 5 if you'll read that this is where it says this and it's we're not going to get into all of it like you said but just to give everybody a reference of where that's at in in Revelation 17 5 it tells us a little bit about the great harlot and upon her forehead was a name written mystery

48:13Babylon the great the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth yeah and so that is describing this powerful religious organization and she's a mother so that means she has daughters well we know who the daughters of the Catholic Church is I think it was Pope Benedict who said that we are not a sister church of the Protestant Church as we are the mother church and you are the daughters so he that language came out of Pope Benedict's mouth and an article that he wrote one of their um can you remember what they're called now I can and cyclical thank you Sam from the production studio yes and cyclical thank you Sam sometimes when you're on the air and you're talking about stuff things just leave your head so I appreciate that I can hear it but it wouldn't make its way out of my mouth right you knew it was there it's word um well I think another thing he threw in there was if I remember correctly if it wasn't in that it was in another statement that he

49:18made was the thing that makes them a daughter church church is how they baptize yeah that's absolutely correct so he's going if you baptize like we do in the Catholic Church now is he talking about sprinkling no no no no he was talking about other things yeah he's talking about if you baptize like us in the name of the Father the Son of the Holy Spirit you're a daughter church yeah we established that if you do it that way you're a daughter church so that's what the Pope said yes this isn't duck convinced for a client is the Pope said if you baptize in the name of the Father Son of the Holy Spirit you're a daughter church of the Catholic Church yeah and it's time to come home yeah that's my very uh loose version of what he said you know obviously didn't say that word for word but it was really close yeah really close because he was he was there during the time when they were celebrating the 500th anniversary of the Protestant churches breaking away from the Catholic Church and they were calling those daughters home that's what part of that article was

50:22about was calling those daughters back to the Catholic Church and many of those churches events if you remember they went and I can't remember if it was in it might have been in verms where they did this but they planted trees I think there were 500 trees planted representing different daughter churches that came and they they planted these trees together as a way to say we're coming home to the to the Catholic Church and I can't remember exactly where that was it escapes my mind right now if if the production guides know y'all can holler it in our ear and let us know but anyway there is more to that and and we've done studies about that you know who who is mystery Babylon and those types of things that you can go and you can read those articles um is that one that pastor uh Brian's been working on uh probably I don't know well if if he hasn't he probably will

51:22now and it will probably have a really cool graphic with it so uh anyway there is some information that we've done in the past and there's probably gonna be even more as we continue on and move closer to the return of Jesus one thing that really hit me I think for the first time Doug as you were talking and we're highlighting how the Pope said this is what makes you a daughter uh church I'm going hang on we're sons and daughters of the king right like why I wonder why would we want to be identified as a son or daughter of the Catholic church yeah the mother church why wouldn't we want to like combat that right and go no we're supposed to be his kids yeah he's my father right not so it's a great question this makes me think I'm like why would like why would he say that and people cheer about it it seems like when I'm I'm scratching my head

52:23going no yeah like I'm a child of the king right now maybe they're coming in saying we're the we're the queen maybe I don't know well they are saying that they do believe that that you know and so that is that's one of those verses two in Revelation 18 that says I said as a queen I'm no widow you know but it's a it's an in-depth study that is worth watching and worth reading that people could look at and so anyway I know that we're probably open in some cans that you know might upset some folks the can of worms I can't have worms very good I think they play on those trees on earth yeah I believe you're right during that 500th anniversary of the of the breaking away of the churches but one of the things that I want to hit before we run out of time because I know we're running out of time and I did want to just talk about this because what is getting ready it

53:25seems like what's getting ready to happen with what the Catholic Church is doing is that there are talks of that temple actually coming up Vince and so there were articles talking about recently about the influx of Jewish people coming and worshiping on the temple mount and the things that are happening there well that has sparked a lot of conversation and we've talked about it here about the temple being built so to say that okay the Vatican is talking about this as a peace agreement here but the Jews are talking about this revitalization of the Jewish worship on the temple mount and bringing that temple into fruition and so one of the things that they're talking about and this is the temple institutes talking about all this and they're they're even saying like I said before they blew one of the temple trumpets that they have in the temple institute the silver trumpets

54:26that have been redone and remade for when there's a temple built there they took that up on the temple mount this year along with the Schaffar and blew those two at the same time there so we've got if you remember the tabernacle out in the desert was the tabernacle plan was the way they follow God and they used a ram's horn for the trumpet there they used that show far once the temple the actual temple was constructed when Solomon built the temple they began to use those silver trumpets and there would be a trumpeting stone that's one of the things they found up there when they did the excavation in 1968 so after the 1967 war they went up there and on the area right there outside the temple they found what they call at these close to the Robinson's arch where they found it they found what they called the trumpeting stone and it is the actual stone that the trumpeter would stand on to call everybody to temple and and it even had the in inscription on

55:28there that that's what it was the trumpeting stone so that is in the museums there in Israel and they found that on the temple mount right about where they believe the temple was so even if you go there today you see the stones that were thrown down by Titus and the Romans when they destroyed the temple some of those stones are still laying out there in the courtyard and you can see some of those things but they found the trumpeting stone there so anyway things are moving toward that they've got the promise of the red heifer ashes that they can have for the ceremony that would cleanse the area of cleans the people working up there and the temple mount institute the temple institute has made all these replicas of everything that would need including a replica of the arc of the covenant and if you go there they say they actually know where the original arc is now whether or not that's true I don't know but they have a replica I've seen it with my own eyes and so all these things are being done and we're watching this move happen at the same time the Vatican's calling for peace of

56:33all nations it looks like the Vatican could be very involved in that day you know 927 they could be very much involved in that agreement that the antichrist makes for seven years so is there a quick answer to will Catholics build the third temple yes the the real quick answer I think is no I don't think that the Vatican or Rome or any Catholics are going to build the temple in and of themselves now whether organizations help fund the temple that's a different story I believe that it will be built by the Jewish people in a time when we're in that peace agreement and I think it it probably has to be in order for everything to be kosher to them but boy with the how the Catholics are so involved in Israel it seems like they're going to be heavily involved yeah and of course everything we've talked about today highlights how they're pointing us in that direction yeah I just think about all the different Catholic sites and of course orthodox sites there in Israel and how they are working hand in hand to get this peace the temporary peace that we will experience very very

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