Why ___ Lost Survivor 51 Ep 2

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1:00Instagram teen accounts come with automatic protections that limit who can contact teens, the content they can see, and the time they spend on the app. Learn more about teen accounts and Instagram's ongoing work to protect teens online at Instagram.com slash teen accounts. Don't miss the two episode premiere of Marvel Television's Vision Quest. Welcome back to the Survivor Edition of Wiblenklaust. I'm David Bloomberg, and while I always encourage players to study my rules,

2:03apparently some players don't even bother to read the official rules of the game. But I know my poor host Jessica Lewis went through everything with a fine tooth comb before heading out to play. He did, and this is what I find so insanely shocking about this entire episode. I feel like we went into a world that never has really existed where people played this game appearing to have no clue what it actually consists of. Rather shocking, because they will say they lay all of these rules out in a very, very, very long document for you to understand entirely what you are getting yourself into. So I'm shocked. I'm shocked. I'm just shocked. Yes, and we will of course have some things to say about Rob in a moment. But of course this podcast is primarily about Anna, which means we'll be talking about popcorn. Oh, wait, sorry, no. We'll compare her gameplay to a set of guiding rules for winning.

3:06I originally wrote way back after season one and have been updating ever since. We'll use all the non-spoiler information available to us from what we saw on TV, interviews, social media and secret scenes. The newest published version of the rules can be found by going to rob his website.com slash yxlossfeed and clicking on the link above or bubble for the survivor rules. But as I said, we have to address Rob first. Maybe we'll call this section why Rob attempted to lose. Oh, it's so bad. It's so bad. And I'm wearing this shirt. Now I realize audio people can't see at all. Obviously video people can only see the arrow. So let me just move my camera a little bit so you understand it says why you lost and it points upwards. And this is the shirt that both Anna and Rob should get. So now Rob didn't lose yet, but we could pencil in almost no matter time on that one.

4:14Yeah, right. So I want to lay it all out because I know from comments on social media some people are still confused as to what he was actually doing. We of course saw that he was in an emotional tailspin after they lost the challenge. He was missing his wife and kids and so on. So he mentioned something about writing his own name down in a confessional. Now when I first watched it, I either missed it or I shrugged it off as a metaphor because obviously he can't do that. But no, he was he was being literal and I'm happy the producer didn't stop him then in that confessional. I'm glad they let him attempt it because it was much more ridiculous this way. Yeah, but I'm also rather surprised that they didn't correct him in the confessional because if there is one thing that happens in the confessionals is there is a lot of back and forth that you don't see. You only see the individual actually talking, but there are questions being posed.

5:14There are things being said about other players. There are not necessarily suggestions, but ideas of things like have you considered this? Have you thought about that? And there are times that I can remember in confessional. So I had where they might have said things to me that maybe they shouldn't have in regards to what can and cannot be happening in the game. And they weren't anything that was part of the rules. It was something that was like, well, I was posing a question like, well, Jeff wouldn't let that happen. Jeff wouldn't do that. And I was being corrected by production that, oh no, he would. And I was like, but you're not supposed to tell me those things. Like that. So like the fact that they didn't say, food, you can't write your own name down. Like is that really what you're thinking about doing? Like you can't do like that's literally against the rules. And I'm very surprised considering how structured the game is and how significant the rules are

6:17that they didn't correct him there. It's not structured anymore. It's the open era. You can do anything. Anything can happen. Yeah, except right. Yeah, except that it's okay. You have great rules. So I do wonder if the producer was like, well, he's obviously not going to do it. So I'm not going to bother saying anything or if they just shrugged it off and went, eh, it'll be a funny moment. So I was stunned as it was happening. Like I knew he had said that, but then it was like he was standing there like explaining it. And then proceeded to make a very big R and I was like, what is happening right now? Like this is not no. You've survived before? I mean, I like because here's the thing in his pregame press. He talked about how he was a survivor fan that he had considered applying when he was much younger, but he's like, but now the more mature me, the older guy, I understand

7:19things better. I'm going to do better and more controlled. So it's not like he is not, I wouldn't say he's a scholar of the game, but he's clearly watched it. He clearly has been a fan for quite some time. And everyone who is a fan of survivor remembers the Christian Hubicki debacle, right? That's all of a sudden CBS was like, oh, hey, Christian, you have to vote for yourself. Well, they went, according to the timeline, he went to scene that unless, really? Unless, yes, unless they were shown the rest of the season in pregame, Ponderosa. Oh, that's fascinating. Thank you for clarifying that. Yeah, they they were out there recording when that happened. Okay. By my theory, my own personal theory, which I have unfortunately not been able to confirm is that they were shown it because otherwise, like, how did they know about the coin flip?

8:19Well, right. That's a very valid point. Show. So I think, I think that the likelihood is in order to hype them up for playing that they showed production showed them the end of 50 that they weren't able to see yet. Again, interesting. I have no confirmation of this. But that is a very interesting way to consider they must have because, yes, they knew exactly what the coin flip was all about. Interesting. Well, all of this is really just incredible to me. It's absolutely incredible to me. And I know that we're still talking about it. And you were going to go through it and I'm not trying to cut you off. So I will let you continue your going through it and I'll continue my commentary. Okay. So, yeah, basically, the rest of what he was thinking was that the vote was going to be unanimous against Eric. So he wanted Eric to play his shot in the dark. And if that didn't hint, give Eric his idol.

9:20And then when all the votes were canceled, Rob's vote against himself would be the only one left and he'd be voted out. At least that's what he was trying to do. But there are so many things wrong with this plan. I mean, forget about what we already mentioned that it's not allowed. Right. He deemed to imagine that if he was voted out, he'd be headed back to his family. Thank you. No. Yeah. Because no, you'd gone to Ponderosa. So I guess, I guess if he didn't read the rule about not voting for himself, he obviously didn't read the one about what happens when you get voted out. Mm-hmm. But again, this is something in all of the years of Survivor. And I wouldn't call myself a scholar of Survivor, but I have watched every season. And I know that there was only one time for a survivor. Oh, you're a scholar of Survivor. You're on this podcast. Well, I couldn't name all the winners from start to finish. I'll say like as some people have trivia. That's trivia. That's okay. All right. Yeah. But I do believe that Jenna was the only player that was ever allowed to go home.

10:24Besides the one other individual, the snake fight. Didn't he get to go? Did he get to go back or something? Because the baby has been born. I have been a few. So he's not common. But it usually is related to something else. Like there's a baby being born. There's someone is actually potentially dying. You know, there's an emergency. Like I know Adam was told by production. Like if you get voted out, we will send you home so that way you can see your mom. So like those things do exist. But just because you're missing your family and you're sad. No. No. You continue to miss them for the entirety of the seven weeks. And it's not seven weeks anymore. Time that you're out there because you can't go home. Anyway. I think, yeah, I don't know what they do with the pre-gamer. But for a while, they were flying them home when the jury came into Ponderosa. I don't know not the pre-gamer, the pre-jurors. I, the pre-gamer was last season. The, the, I don't know if they send them on a trip or if they just send them all home

11:25now. I don't think they send them home because then that spoils everything, right? It would. It would if you knew. But the idea is you're not, you know, their names aren't supposed to be out there yet. So yeah, I don't know. I'm not, I'm not sure. And there have been a few non-emergency situations usually with returning players who like either pre-negotiated it or through such a fit. Oh, yeah. That's true. That, that production was like fine, whatever will just send you home. So but yeah, it's not going to be for this first time guy who voted himself out there. Right. Who's sad because he misses his family, which I understand you, Mr. Family. But this is what you signed up for. Yeah. Right. Now, the thing is this all would have been easy to do for him if he had just like confided in someone like Eric. If you want to go just tell people to vote you out. Instead he came up with this cock-a-mama compilated idea.

12:26I'm, I'm still not sure why he originally told Eric he needed Eric's shot in the dark or the plan to work when he was still out in the jungle. He was like, you give me your shot in the dark and then I'll give it back to you when we get to try to counsel. And Eric's like, what? Because I had nothing to do with anything. I still don't know what that was about. Yeah. And I'm curious if that was one of those, those ideas where all you're going to show me that you're loyal and that you're going to hand me what you have. So I know that you're going to listen to me when I tell you to do these things. Yeah, but he made no sense. No, it's not that I'm not trying to listen. I'm trying to work through this too because like none of this made any sense. And also to think for a second, the Eric would be like, oh, okay, so you're not going to tell me the plan, but I have to have full trust and faith in you and I have to listen to you and everything you're telling me at the time in tribal council. When it's happening, no, thank you. Yeah. Like, just like, no, don't do that in survivor either. They don't just like go, sure, I'll just completely trust you and blindly walk into

13:30something I don't understand what's going on. No, it was also no point. Even when they got to tribal council and he told Eric, well, you play your shot in the dark. And if that doesn't work, then, oh, wait, no, I do know why he did that. Never mind. Okay, I was going to say there was no point in having him play his shot in the dark. And literally, it just occurred to me now. The reason is that way Eric doesn't get a vote. If Eric plays his shot in the dark, then there's no other vote. So the only vote that's left is Rob's vote for himself. Right. And that makes sense. But I think the reason why he just occurred to me right now. And I did have a question about that too, though, because, and this is one of those rules that if you play your shot in the dark and it doesn't hit, you still can have an idle played for you or play an idle. There's no, that doesn't stop. It's just your vote that's effective. See, rules, rules matter. Exactly. But again, okay, so he just overcomplicated it.

14:33He could have just told him vote for me, and I'll give you an idle. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But of course, Eric wasn't going to believe him because it was so weird. It sounded ridiculous. It was ridiculous. And the other main reason was that Rob was completely out of the loop with the real plan that was happening. And Eric's allies needed his vote to make it happen. So of course, he wasn't going to do that. Right. Now, all of this was just a fascinating representation of someone who is completely clueless as to how the game of survivor is actually played. And I'm stunned that, you know, here we are season 51 and that someone would be so clueless. And that to me is just what doesn't make any sense. I can understand players being confused early on when the game was new and things were just being developed and they were figuring things out. But now, I just, I don't know.

15:36Yeah. I don't know how you don't know that you can't do those things. I don't know. Just stunning. Now, I mentioned last week in our preview portion or our prediction portion that the CBS press release indicated a player would try something that's never been done before to save an ally. And I scoffed it. I said, really come on. They're overblowing something silly. Everything's been tried. But no, he really did try something that's never been done before because there's a reason it's never been done. Right. Can't do that. Can't know. Crazyness. So one other thing I want to mention before we get to Anna and the rules is that I love how survivor is showing players like jelly celebrating when she found an idol and didn't have to deal with the stupid crap survivor put into the game previously with the new ArabiWare advantages. It's like they're telling us, look what we did. Look how happy she is. We did that. And it's like, no, she's happy that you undid thing.

16:38Yes. Yes. And Rob said the same thing. He was very happy that there was no aware on his idol when he found it. She was like, I was reading for looking for fine print to make sure that this was actually just a legitimate idol. So yes, all of those things like, thank you for giving us that back. That was lovely. Just have regular idols back in the game. That was great. Yes. I just think it's funny that survivor is like, panning themselves on the back. Yeah. Taking away something that they never should have added. Oh, no, I agree. They do that often. They do. Now, the other way, well, before we get, like I said, to Anna, I know that you had something else you wanted to mention as well. Well, I'm really in a very interesting place right now with this entire cast. And it is because I don't know if we have just been inundated these past, I don't have so many seasons at this point where there are like super duper survivor fans, right?

17:38And we are hearing about the super duper fandom and we're hearing about their knowledge of the game and they're openly sharing it with their tribe mates and talking about what this advantage might mean or where we are in the game. And I mean, we've seen it on like this reoccurring thing. There's been like this a lot of super duper fans. And I feel like this season, there's probably only two that really like jumped out at me as people that are like hardcore like I am and you're running pick. And the girl that has and Kristen, thank you. The girl has a broken foot now. Like, I think I think there are probably a few other ones there. It's where you have the dividing line of what a, you know, super duper fan is. But yeah, I agree. Go ahead. Yeah. So I just, but I feel like so maybe there might be more, right? But for some reason, we aren't seeing even the super duper fans this season are not thrusting that upon everybody. They're not making it appears if they are.

18:39They're not talking about it openly. It's almost like they, they've determined or figured out that that's not really beneficial. If I act like I know everything about survivor, we heard one comment about Eric and someone did say well, Eric's a big fan and he wants to have a move. And so I'm curious if perhaps the players are starting to recognize that openly acknowledging that you are a huge fan of survivor and that you know all of these things about survivor and you know all the people who won and you know all of these, they're realizing that it's not a benefit. And so I just thought that that was an interesting little like side note because this cast just seems kind of all over the place. Like it's very, I like, I was just, I was watching this going like you've got some of the people that are screaming all the time. They're cutting their sums off. They're like, they're, no one's voting together, but they're like, but we're still together. Even though we're not voting, we don't have to vote together to be together. And I'm just, you can't do a one and a half right now. You can't get your full thumbs up that.

19:39You can't do a full thumbs up. Like when I heard them say that, like we don't have to vote together to be together. I was like, what is going on? Like, and no one is upset that like that person didn't vote with them, but they're still like, we could still play together. Like, I know we voted differently, but we're still going to play together. And I'm going to tell you about my idol, even though we voted differently. I was just like, what is going on? Like it just seems so unprecedented. I guess as far as like this idea of, and maybe this is new era, I don't know, but I just feel like people are open, open era, open era, excuse me, open era. And they really are. That's the excuse for everything. That's the excuse for everything now. I mean, Devon said that to Brady too. Devon said, uh, said it's the open era. We could do this. No, no, no, no, no, it's like I don't care what Jeff names the era doesn't change how alliances work. Now, yes, they were on opposite ends of the first vote. They still seem to think they want to work together.

20:40I'm just waiting because that's obviously going to give us something. Yeah. You know, either it will either give us that, okay, it's true. They did stick together after that. It's great for them or it'll give us that no, they're going to keep bumping up against each other. Something is going to happen. I feel like it's going to be that it's that. Yeah, it's me too. Because you have very strong personalities that are coming at the game from completely different perspectives and ways. And I don't know how that's going to necessarily mesh. So I just thought that that was a fascinating idea that this is just seems to be just such a just an. I know we're going to talk about Anna, but like just the things that are happening. Oh my gosh, I have to mention this too. Like this to me is a steric like when Carter was talking about the crabs and it's like they're on to us. Oh, we'll get to that.

21:40We'll get to that. Yes. That was a horrible. I believe I have that in appendix A because I think we're all supposed to put it. Sorry. Good. I love that you've included that. Oh, yes. Yeah, I can't do it without the crabs. But the the the part that you mentioned about people not acknowledging that they're super fans. I don't know if we know that or not. I mean, they could be talking about it. We just aren't hearing it. Maybe. And that's very, that's very possible for sure. You know, I used to have in the rules in rule two, something that said don't tell people you're a super fan. But over recent years, I changed it because nobody cared. Everybody was super fan of some type or another. So it will be interesting to see if the open era swings back the other direction. We'll have to keep an eye on that. We will.

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23:41Instagram teen accounts come with automatic protections that limit who can contact teens. The content they can see and the time they spend on the app. Learn more about teen accounts and Instagram's ongoing work to protect teens online at Instagram.com slash teen accounts. So the next segment that we would normally do here is the Jeff Probe says wrong about blank. But I didn't see anything of note for that. In part because Jeff isn't doing his podcast anymore. So it just kind of quietly disappeared. You know, for 50, he was like, oh, we don't need it for 50. And then nothing was set about 51. But there were, of course, other things going on and I'll be posting some of it on TikTok and YouTube at David Bloomberg TV. I do want to mention before we get to Anna that the rules were about to discuss, come in a shorter and much more colorful version and poster form.

24:42Go to robhiswebsite.com slash yxloss feeds, scroll down to the poster and click on it. In addition to the poster, you can also get the poster on a t-shirt. Or you can get the checklist on a t-shirt, which I believe you're wearing. I am. That's my number. And today. Yes. So again, go to robhiswebsite.com slash yxloss feed for all of your rules needs. There's barely some people need it. Yes, rob. I don't say I don't include that in my rules because it seems so obvious. Unfortunately, you can't get the why you lost t-shirt. That is a Jessica original. So which was based off of a cartoon version of me that was made for a RHAP product. It was a hard-caster wrestling match.

25:42Which is incredible. You were great. Yeah. Yeah. It was deep in the lore. Deep in the lore. It was very deep. But also you might have ended up with a wrestling doll as well. Yes, I do have. I should have taken that out. Where is that? Ah, I could have held that up instead of. Yes, you could show everyone your wrestling doll. Yes, I have to find it. I know I still have it. I just don't know where. All right. Well, in her final words Anna tried to do her own mini version of this podcast saying things like I definitely played a little too hard too quickly and I will always be causing chaos and mischief. And she even yelled at herself earlier for throwing out names. All those things were true, of course. But do they encompass everything that happened? And is she even thinking about the right places where she played too hard or talked about names? Let's get into it because at our JP we know survivor and we know why Anna lost.

26:45Now the first and most important rule is of course the skim and plot and I think Anna certainly knew this. We know she was at a title alliance with Carter and Rob. What we didn't know until she told Mike Bloom was that she actually had a lot of alliances due to so many people coming up to her. She was also approached by Kristen and Charanda by Lenea and Alexis and so on. She said, I felt like I had ins everywhere, which is why I felt so comfortable. Now in her preseason interview, she said, who doesn't want to lie and deceive in a setting where it's totally acceptable to do so. She even said she'd play like Richard Hatch. I don't think she quite managed that. But she it seems like she might have enjoyed the idea of lying in the ceiling and she wasn't very good at it. Like I'm pretty sure Richard Hatch went to just yell popcorn when busted having a conversation about someone.

27:45I'll have more to say about the result of Alexis walking in on that discussion. In survivor, you need to be prepared to immediately change a subject when someone else walks in, especially since the way their campus setup. It seems like anyone sitting in the shelter can easily be taken by surprise. Oh, yes, because it's like, yes, right. It's very centered for sure. And I think we saw a really good example of this when Chandra was talking on the beach and they were talking about Charanda. I'm still learning names. This is terrible. I have my I do have a cheat sheet here with names because I can't remember anybody's names at this point. And you just combined you did you did a ship name. Charanda and Lenea, you know, you just put them together. It's not Charanda. Yeah, it is. It is. Okay. So now you're confusing me. Anyway, so when when Charanda was on the beach talking and they were talking about Anna and then all of a sudden Anna was coming over.

28:45And then she quickly was like Anna's coming and then it's just started talking about Eric and it was like it was a very smooth transition. There wasn't anything like weird and they were more like, you know, Anna come over. So it is one of those ideas that you have to always be ready to like shift gears immediately and not make it seem weird. And also don't talk about popcorn, which has nothing to do with anything. But yes, I think you know, it's one of those those circumstances where like you have to be ready to come up with a cover story immediately because all you're going to do is. Do exactly what Anna did and make some spidey senses go up when you mentioned popcorn. Yes. Now Anna said in interviews that while Eric was annoying people quite a bit, she didn't actively want him out. She just wasn't willing to fight to keep him in. It was in the words of Ori seemingly a layup to just go along with everyone. And I would agree that it made sense from her point of view, especially since she went around to different people to ensure everyone was on the same page and people weren't mad at her.

29:47And they all assured her that they were still with her. Yeah, of course. We're all with you. It's fine. Everything's fine. I'm not sure what she expected them to say. Like no, we hate you. We want you out. But I think that this is this is one of those circumstances and I don't know whether or not this is true. I mean, she's indicating that she had relationships with a lot of people and that she felt like she was in good with a lot of people. That might be also a combination of a bad read. Like you're just you're not aware of when people are potentially just blowing smoke in your direction to like make you feel better. But then she also might have just been like over playing right because it's this idea of talking to too many people not that you shouldn't have conversations. But if everyone sees you talking to everyone, your conversations are going to have less meaning to the person that like you might want to actually have a meaningful conversation with.

30:48It's good to know what's happening. But at the same time, if you think that you are in good with everyone to the point that you are fully trusting them so much so you're like, oh, just make me the decoy. It's fine. Now don't let's you can't put that much faith into a group of people you've spent like five days with. Yeah, and that takes us to the second rule, which says not the scheme and plot too much and to keep your scheming secret. And yeah, we have a problem here. It's not necessarily the problem and a thought when she was voted out some of it was because you know she of course said in her final words. I definitely played a little too hard too quickly and like I said, I will always be causing chaos and mischief did those things hurt her. Hell yes. And we'll talk about those in a moment, but she also said I think I made a lot of promises early on in the game and things caught up to me. Now, this is I think related to what you were just talking about the different alliances that she thought she had.

31:49Yeah. I don't it's hard to say if that played a specific particular role. It wasn't the fact that she was in these alliances that caused the problem. It's that some of the people in those alliances found out she'd been talking about them like the people that I named. And that's that's part of the issue. Yes. When you are when you're claiming I'm with you like you're like you and I are close and we're going to play this game together. And then you turn around and you're talking about that person and you're overheard talking about that person and then when that person comes into the fold and you talk about popcorn. You are immediately going to make that person thing. Oh no, I guess I'm not as close to her as I thought it was. So it's you have to like almost it's like a hierarchy right like if you want to have those conversations with other people that other half needs to know like listen. I'm going to go talk to these guys over here like I want to figure out what's going on with them.

32:51So there's an understanding that you aren't just running around plotting with everyone about everyone that you're supposed to be close to like what she should have been doing in that moment. She was really close with her name is going to be escaping me. Not Linnea the other one Alexis Alexis. Thank you. I saw an A in my head. Like then then that should be like a moment where you're not discussing Alexis in that way. It should be a different world but but Alexis is fine. Like when she brought up Alexis right and then Carter was like yeah, I don't really trust Alexis. Why are you even bringing up Alexis? I know Carter from what we've seen is was her number one. But then have that conversation with Carter off you know on the trail somewhere away from everybody to be like I am checking in with you about other people that we can bring into the full. It's just it's messy. It's too messy and you're putting yourself in a situation that you then have to try to dig yourself out of which is exactly what was I in a do. Yeah, I don't think she expected that from Carter. I think she was just informing him but you're right because a lot of the stuff that related to her mentioning those players was blown up a bit more than she actually pointed this out in interviews.

34:08Yeah, she did not bring up Shuranda's name Alexis did and Anna just said oh she's really smart. And then she said Lanayah was strategic when Alexis asked for Anna's opinion about her and you know so she was defending herself in interviews by pointing that out. However, there was also a confessional that I did not see her bring up in interviews where she said to be honest it wasn't exactly a plan to target Shuranda and Lanayah. I just I wanted to just have other names out there just to start causing a little bit of a rift in our tribe and cause little chaos. Yeah, and also the face that she made too when she was having that conversation about Shuranda where she was like but mm hmm. Yeah, that's not you're not just putting out feelers. You're giving a suggestion at that point. Right. And like I said, I understand she was defending herself and saying well I didn't bring it up I didn't bring it up. But you did later in your own confessional said you were purposely putting their names out there so I can't be both ways I'm sorry.

35:17Right. Right. And then you know so then she went to Carter and had that conversation. And again, I can't give her a pass because clearly it was more to those conversations or she said things that encouraged Alexis to believe that. Yes. And so yeah, and then like I said, which he was talking to Carter and Christian about that Alexis conversation. Obviously, we know Alexis walked up to them and busted them talking about her. Or at least that's what it was from Alexis's point of view. Anna told my boom the same thing that we were just talking about. I did not throw Alexis under the bus Carter throws her under the bus Carter is the one that says I don't trust her I want her gone. She doesn't know how to play the game. She walks in after Carter says that Carter goes quiet. I'm looking at Carter. I'm looking Christian. They're not talking. Alexis is looking at me. So I just say popcorn. Like we discussed in rule one, you need to be better prepared.

36:20Because Alexis clearly either overheard part of the conversation. Or presumed Anna was the guilty one because of her terrible reaction. Sure. One way or the other. It really looked bad. So again, Anna's defending herself in interviews saying I didn't say Alexis's name. Yeah, that doesn't matter. Right. Especially when you're playing this type of game because everyone is going to be paranoid and nervous and worried. And if they hear their name, it makes it that much worse. And you start questioning everything. And not that I necessarily want to give Rob a whole lot of credit. But he did mention in tribal council how when you see two people walk off together. How you start to feel and you become a little bit paranoid because you're noticing these things. Your brain works differently when you're out there. And you have to always be prepared for those moments where you might actually get busted. Which is again, why I say if you want to have conversations about other people, you can't do it in the middle or the center of space where everyone can like walk up behind you and hear everything you're saying.

37:28Yes, the whole tribe clearly needs to learn that because we'll talk more about that later. Like when it comes to friends. But the other thing is the other thing is Anna could have tried to fix the situation. Like she knew she was busted. She knew what she had done was an incredibly poor cover. She should have gone to Alexis and said, look, I mean, she might have needed to blame Carter. Okay, you just say, look, sorry about that. I mentioned to Carter that I've been talking to you and he was sharing his thoughts. Honestly, he isn't sure about you, but I want to work with both of you. So we need to find a way to show him that you should be in our alliance. Like turn it into something where you were fighting for her. Yeah, you really want to work with her. Mm-hmm. But as far as we know, she never tried that. Yeah. Yeah. And that is the other half of I think what Anna did wrong was scheming too much, but then also not trying to clean up when she did.

38:35Right. And that's the second half of what you need to do when you are busted. You better be ready to come up with a cover story of some sort to fix it. Because she did claim she was talking to everybody and trying to fix it with everybody. But I don't know what she actually did to try to fix it with everybody. I think she just talked to them. I mean, because what happened after that was Alexis ran with it. Yeah. And it really reminded me quite a bit of what happened last week with Jenna. Mm-hmm. Because Jenna also didn't have much to go on, but she had enough to turn it into a big deal for the person, or in this case, people whose names were mentioned. I said last week, I'm already quoting myself from just a week ago. Look at you. I said gave, gave Jenna plenty to bring to him. As Alia put it, she took a very minute comment that I said not even thinking twice about it in my ignorance that she turned the tides in my favor. And I noted that Alia had given Jenna that quote my new comment to use as a seat.

39:36The same thing happened here. Anna had made a couple of minor comments about Shoranda and Lenea. And Alexis blew them up in the retelling, which is good getting play on her part. Sure. Absolutely. Every little seed. Yes. And plus, of course, Anna threw out other names in a much more public fashion when they were trying to figure out what to tell Eric in terms of the fake target to cover for him being the real one. Anna just started mentioning names. And we've talked about that this year before. Nobody, nobody ever wants to be the decoy vote name. Do not know anyone else. What's interesting too is that would she ended up mentioning. Oh, Kristen. Yes. She said she went and told Kristen that she had actually dropped her name. Well, Kristen understood she realized it was bad.

40:36But it's, but it's, yeah. In that situation, like, I wouldn't be too happy with someone who's supposed to be like working with me being like, oh, hey, just so you know, I dropped your name as a potential option that we could tell Eric. And she made it sound like Kristen was fine with it. I don't think I would be fine with it. Well, that's what I'm saying. I don't think Kristen really was fine with it. I think she was just like, oh, okay. Yeah, no, he's out and I'm telling this because she's all over the place. She's just dropping all of these names with different people, depending on who she's talking to. That's someone that can't really trust. Yeah, because Anna realized it as she was doing it. That's when she was like, why am I throwing out names? And that must have been when she ran to Kristen and whoever else she named. And the problem is the damage was done. She said in the behind the buff video. That's where yeah, that's where you must have seen that or unless it was in the case that she told Kristen, Kristen was okay with it. Yeah.

41:36And then, of course, we should also mention that she put forth her own name. Now, doing that, she was trying to cover. She was like, oh, look, I'll just put my own name. That's how little it means, aha, it really didn't have an impact. It's not like that was the reason anyone voted her out. The key was that she noticed the way people responded to it and tried to figure out what was happening. Because I think that's when she ran to Kristen actually was and to other people. Because people weren't like, oh, no, we wouldn't ever do that to you, Anna. They were just like, okay. And she was like, oh crap, I just screwed up here. Well, and I think even if that wasn't like the cause of her being voted out, I think you enable all of the people that you've just said that to to then go to other people and say, well, she said put her name down. So you just make it easier for people to make that determination if they're waffling in some way as to like, well, who should I vote for?

42:39Well, Anna actually said she would be the decoy. Like, she put her own name out there. So you don't have to worry about there being any like ramifications because you're like, oh, well, Anna said she was the decoy. So I put her name down because she was the decoy. And oh, my God, she got voted out. Isn't that crazy? But yes. So I, you know, I do think that that's you're just making it much easier for people to put your name down. Yes. All right. Well, the third rule tells players to be flexible. And on the one hand, I first thought was Anna was being flexible and trying to work with the various alliances we discussed in rule one. On the other hand, the idea of that type of flexibility is to give yourself options, not make all those people mad at you. Yeah. I mean, her flexibility stemmed from her need to try to like fix the problems that she had created. That's what that's not being flexible. Let's try and to fix your own mess. Yeah. Well, and it was her mess because like you had said earlier, she was allies with these people, but then also throwing their names out and then going back to them. And that.

43:45Yeah. I, the other thing about those alliances is that she acknowledged in interviews that while her alliance with Carter was supposed to be a secret one, it was anything, but they were together all the time and everybody knew it. So if I were one of the people who was supposedly aligned with her and my name was not Carter or Rob, I wouldn't have thought she was being flexible. I would have thought she was leading me on. Oh, well, there you go. That makes sense. So yeah, yeah, I don't know if you had anything else on her flexibility there. No, I think it was just more of a willingness to say anyone's name until it came back better in the ass kind of thing. Yeah. When you need to build up your team to handle the growing chaos at work, use indeed sponsor jobs. It gives your job post the boost it needs to be seen and helps reach people with the right skills, certifications and more.

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45:59All right, well then the fourth world tells players not to let their emotions control them. Did you see any issues with Anna here? Well, I feel like this is one of those times where perhaps yes, because she was responding to her own bad gameplay by then like, I don't know if it was like an emotional response or she was like, oh, I have to go fix things with this person over here that I just wreck things with because I told this person something about them over here. And if that wasn't because she even said to herself why at one point in one of the confessionals like, I'm a good player. What am I doing? Why am I doing this? And I just wonder if it wasn't more of this like knee jerk reaction of like having an emotional response like, oh, no, I really like Kristen. I wanted to play with her. Why am I saying her name? So I better go talk to Kristen. And so I don't know if it necessarily stemmed from an emotional response, but there was certainly something that I think was outside of the game that was affecting her ability to understand. That there were ramifications for what she was doing and then she was having to try to fix it, but she was fixing it in a way that you would fix it in like a high school when someone's been gossiping, you know, where you like run over to the person like, no, they were talking about you, but it wasn't me like I didn't do it, you know, kind of where it wasn't.

47:15It's not strategic. It's just more of like, I want to try to save our friendship. Kind of response. I don't know if that makes any sense, but that was kind of like the sense that I got from it that it was it wasn't from a game perspective. It was more of like, I need to fix the relationship I have with them. And I'm doing that because this is the way that I'm feeling in the moment about this situation. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. It's really hard to judge. We don't know if she did it for strategic reasons or emotional ones. I tend to lean with you that she did somewhat, you know, suddenly realize, oh, heck, things are going badly for me here. And then just run around more as an emotional response. But yeah, we can't say for sure. Sure. Well, the fifth rule reminds players they need to pretend to be nice and play the social game. How do you think she did here? I was feeling like she was doing well at first because she did seem to connect with people quickly.

48:18She said that she encartered connected very quickly. She connected with Alexis very quickly. There was something about her that did that people were responding to. So I do think that she was playing the social game, but I think she kind of let it get away from her because that's where we fall into that. Well, I was forming relationships and talking to so many people and trying to work with so many people that it was a social game, but it wasn't being played strategically correct. So I think she was certainly someone who I think was liked and was getting along with people well. But those relationships were affecting her ability to actually play strategically. Yeah, yeah. I do think she's the same as you. She seemed to be doing well socially. She was friendly with everyone. In contrast with poor Eric, who was really trying, is still trying.

49:18People didn't decide to come after her because they were annoyed with her or anything. Right. Right. I think I've annoyed with her for throwing names around sure, but not this, you know, for social types of reasons. Okay, so the sixth rule warrants against being too much of a threat. I don't think at this point in the game Anna was particularly seen as a huge threat in general. However, after Alexis spread all that information, it obviously made the people whose names were brought up. Feel like she was a direct threat to them in particular. Yes. As well. We happen. Yeah. You know, anyone who would go around throwing out names both publicly and privately as it appeared she had done. Could cause one of those names to catch on and nobody wants that. Right. Yeah. And then and what I think is this was almost like a game of telephone when you watched it because every time it got mentioned to the next person. There was a little bit more information that was added that wasn't there at the original like discussion when like Alexis told Linnea what had been said and then when Linnea went to Shabonda and told her what was said.

50:29It like they just kept adding like one more extra block like oh, she said you have to get voted out like she didn't say that, but it got added. You know, so this is the worst part of survivor, right, where you give somebody a little bit of information and depending on how they. Relay what you've said it they can add they can. Kind of focus on particular parts they can play. Koi well, I'm not really sure what she met by that, but she did say this and she said it in this particular way that that was a little strange. You know, it's like so you can you can certainly toy with people's words in a way that you. Can never actually do in real life because it's survivor and so they're not going to turn around and run back to her and say did you really say this because she's going to say off the site didn't right so you so it festers and so I do think that that's it's an interesting little. Thing that I was like the game of telephone that happened in this episode yes yeah. I rule seven covers idols and badges and game mechanics and I didn't have any dealings with idols or advantages the only thing is if she had realized where she stood she could have played her shot in the dark.

51:39But she kept asking for and getting reassurances so in her mind. Even though she says it wasn't a total surprise which should look like a total surprise on her face you know when it was happening but even if it wasn't. She would have had no reason to play her shot in the dark which is of course exactly why other players reassure you in this situation or. Where with you or do all of that because they don't want you playing your shot in the dark right they don't want you playing an idol if you have one so yeah that's why nobody's going to tell you oh yeah I know I'm pissed at you and I'm never talking to you again and I'm writing your name down. Right yeah. So all right we could go to appendix a which of course I know you have been waiting for it discusses players keeping their end goals in mind when voting we talk about voting out the week then the strong then the week then the strong now.

52:41Initially seems tough to pin down here I think she was fairly strong in terms of her alliances at least at first she didn't have a problem in the challenges that we saw she got along well with people and those are the usual reasons for being seen as week. However she weakened her own position through the situation that we've been talking about throwing around some names being perceived as doing it even more and that took many of those alliances she had made and. Talked about the window she no longer had their support because they were worried about her turning on. Yeah I think that all of those things that you've just said are very accurate and fair so yeah I'm nothing to add. So then something else happened causing a very interesting situation. Did the vote flip because of a misunderstood over her conversation.

53:41I put this discussion yeah I put the discussion here because it deals with how the other players handled this vote and whether it benefits them in the long run but the answer is at least in part yes. Because we saw Linnea overhearing Carter talking to ory about how quote they're on to us and she immediately leaped into action. Now even funnier than her changing everything that had been planned because of taking something out of context and getting it wrong. Is that shortly before this happened. Carter said almost those exact same words to Linnea on the beach when they were discussing crabs. Who did she forget those words in such a short time. Well because it's survivor right and so your your brain is is almost mush at that point because there's so much information coming out you have so many things to consider.

54:44Linnea it's feeling like she's on the outs because she's been she's been named she's been almost targeted right so she's very concerned. And Carter's walking on talking about crabs so you're just like whatever like I'm not interested in what this guy is talking about right now because. I'm thinking game like I have to be like I have to be on this guest talking about crabs so it was such a funny transition to then see that conversation be be spun and turned into something else which was literally just about. But yes I thought that was fantastic. And what you said is why I mentioned that the vote flip quote in part because of this it was or may have been probably was the trigger. Clearly the players involved were already worried like you just said she assumed Carter was talking to ori and Anna and others about a secret plan to turn on them because her mind was already primed.

55:47Or that to happen from the previous discussion with Alexa and Charanda and other ready and trust that group they figured that group would be coming for one of them sooner or later this just made it seem like it was sooner as in right now right now yeah. It is possible that the group would have decided to make this move now even without this out of context misunderstanding because like they needed error they needed air is vote here yeah and if they didn't make this move now they would have lost air yes. And so then it would have been you know that they wouldn't have been able to necessarily make the same move. And so it's just we don't know if they were you know until some people start coming out who were part of this plan we don't know if they were actually going to do it anyway.

56:47So the way it looked was this was what sparked it into action yeah it wasn't right to air put this information yeah right right and I mean it could have been something else if it wasn't this since they were already on their toes and just waiting for it could have been oh did you see when Carter looked at Anna that way. Even though it was triggered by this amusing occurrence it was still the right move for them to make to take control of the tribe away from that group yes and I love Carter he is my winner. Oh that's right he is he's just so like dopey I love it I love it because he's he is well and and I will say Anna was like that guy's winning she did indicate that as well let that be. Who she thinks is going to be the sole survivor and thinks that he's going to win because he's just so likeable and he's just so the mere fact that he wrote Eric's name with an a and this was a topic of discussion where they were they were like Eric with an a I know a lot of Erick's his fellow name with an a and then it comes out in tribal council Eric with an a which Eric responds to and you see Carter's like.

58:04This heavy nod like of course it's with an a because why wouldn't you be with an a he's just great I love him he's just awesome thank you Carter let's just say we have we have differing opinions on him at this point in time. We'll leave it at that for now I will still allow him to prove himself to me he's being very JT I'm just saying and very JT yeah that's that's not a compliment in my book. But JT one the first time he was the JT when he had a Steven he has Steven Carter was trying to have a Steven he thought Anna could be his Steven but that didn't work out you know he's fine someone he's in trouble yeah he's in trouble if Anna was his Steven then he's in serious trouble going forward because you know what he's got opportunities now to make a new Steven. She didn't have we will speak. Yes now what will be interesting to me is whether this group that voted out Anna will stay cohesive or if it was a one time thing and part of the problem is that is.

59:10I mean we don't know about all the alliances like half of the ones Anna mentioned we never saw if Anna hadn't mentioned them in interviews we never would have known about them yeah I know I know you have no familiarity with an entire alliance being hidden from the camera but. I suspect for example that it was fairly easy to get Kristen in on the vote because Anna had tried to use her name as the decoy vote first it's not exactly clear why others like Christian joined in. Again I still think it was the right move so they didn't set a precedent that Carter and Rob and by the way Rob is no Steven Carter and Rob. Rob is not a statement we're control no we're as you pick up your Rob has a podcast mug you know different Rob completely different Rob yes yes that guy doesn't even.

1:00:12Yeah well he has a Steven well he has his own Steven but he doesn't need a Steven that's true well yeah don't tell Steven that it'll make him upset okay he needs Steven for podcast purposes not for playing survivor yes that's the difference. So yeah I think it was the right move for all of them I just it'll be interesting to see if they stay together at this point yeah now this is I am fascinated by this idea of we don't have to vote together to be together to see if this is going to be a continuing concept this season I'm very intrigued by this. All right well it is about time to wrap things up for Anna I know this has been a quick one but I mean Anna had laid out a lot of it for us anyway and you know like I said why why why you lost but also when we are done with our conclusions stick around we do have a few listener questions that I had asked for on blue sky so we we have a few of those once we're done with our.

1:01:21Once we're done with our conclusions plus of course predictions but what are your final thoughts on Anna. So I think it's fascinating that when Anna introduced herself to the world she said that she wanted to trick people she wanted to be manipulative. And do it. Devious but no one would see it coming because I'm cute see was what she ended up saying and so I think it's really interesting that that's not what happened Anna like everybody saw it coming because you were talking to everybody about what you were doing and then you were going back to those same people to try to fix the things you just said about those same people to other people. Everybody saw it coming and so unfortunately Anna's idea of how she wanted to play this game didn't really come to fruition and I think we see that a lot when people come into this game with an idea of how they want to play and then they realize oh this is different than I expected and this is not what I expected and you don't know necessarily how to deal with what survivor deals you right and so I think Anna was really kind of.

1:02:28Into deep to quickly to soon because the last thing you want to do in a game like this is give anybody a reason to look at you to vote you out or to put your name on a piece of parchment and she gave everybody all of those reasons and unfortunately for Anna being the decoy turned into being the actual person voted out and it's you know sad that she kind of made her bed but she did and she couldn't fix it and so unfortunately Anna. She didn't work and everybody knew what you were doing and so yeah she found herself voted out because of it. When you need to build up your team to handle the growing chaos at work use indeed sponsor jobs it gives your job post the boost it needs to be seen and helps reach people with the right skills certifications and more spend less time searching and more time actually interviewing candidates who check all your boxes listeners of this show will get a $75 sponsor job credit and indeed.com slash podcast. Terms and conditions apply need a hiring hero this is a job for indeed sponsor jobs.

1:03:56Nothing bonds a family together quite like more or jeopardy streaming up to 14 only on Disney plus. Instagram teen accounts come with automatic protections that limit who can contact teens the content they can see and the time they spend on the app learn more about teen accounts and Instagram's ongoing work to protect teens online at Instagram.com slash teen accounts. Yeah we've discussed how Anna said some accurate things in her final words like I definitely played a little too hard to quickly and I will always be causing chaos and mischief. But of course that wasn't the whole story there are many ways to cause chaos there are many ways to play too hard and a chose some that would point directly to her as the cause. Growing out names when there's no need to is generally a bad idea talking about people to someone who you are then going to get taught busted talking about is a really really bad idea.

1:05:02I guess in voice acting you don't have to do improv so you aren't prepared for a situation when someone walks out up on you and you're talking about them. And look I know I understand Anna wasn't the one slamming Alexis that was Carter but she was the one who blatantly failed to cover it up and she also didn't do anything that we saw to try to fix the situation allowing Alexis free reign to run with it from there. Alexis turned a couple of popcorn kernels of truth about what Anna had said into a full bucket of salty goodness that she could feed to the rest of the tribe. Anna didn't say all those things that Alexis claimed but as we discussed last week with Jenna and Alia it doesn't matter. Alexis simply outplayed Anna she brought in the people whose names had been mentioned at one time or another by Anna from Eric to Lenea to Shoranda the Christian and turned it into a majority and that is why Anna lost.

1:06:09So yes I wish I could do funny voices like she does you know so I could have done parts of that in a voice but it went to been good it went to be. You could have wrapped it. No I couldn't have. She doesn't wrap anyways so. No but there was that one time. No it wasn't you can't prove it. I've had it erased from the internet. I don't think so it's on a podcast. Yeah you know it's probably gone. So before we get to our predictions we want to remind everyone that the rules we just discussed are of course as I mentioned. And in post your form and in post your on a t-shirt form and in checklist form go to rob his website.com slash yx lost feed and you can order away. Yes you should definitely order by it all good stuff.

1:07:10So where else can people find us Jessica? Oh yes of course you do this little transition and I forget about it all the time and I apologize. So I am at Jessica lose 89 on blue sky and what air or x whatever it is called now. I we post occasionally not as much I'm at Jessica lose 6789 on Instagram. I usually just steal the content from the guy that's sitting next to me because he posts an insane amount of material all over the place so much so that he has a link tree in order for you to find out. All of the social media platforms in which he does content and so David Bloomberg please speak to them about your link tree. Yes you could find it at link tree slash David Bloomberg you could find me directly on blue sky is at David Bloomberg and on the video sites YouTube tick tock an Instagram is at David Bloomberg TV. I've been posting generally two or three reality TV short videos every day with a mix of Big Brother 28 which just ended survivor 51 which of course we all know just began.

1:08:10The traders new blood and more so you could find all of that there speaking of the traders I've been podcasting about numerous versions of it over at the trade are it's TR a ID are the traders Ireland just finished up. I'll be well I was on the special Q&A episode earlier this week the traders US has also started we of course talked about the premier and episodes three and four and there will also be a lot of work. So be a special Q&A episode that posts right around when this one posts maybe a little bit later sometime early early Saturday morning. The traders Canada season four has also begun and so I talked about the second episode of that earlier this week plus of course shepella and I have been doing the Big Brother 28 version of why Blank lost all summer long we have exactly one podcast left which we will be recording in less than one hour.

1:09:10And so that should be posted sometime shortly after they may want to you know separate those but sometimes shortly after this one is available and you know will be will be talking about the winner and the second and third place there. All right we should talk about predictions and again like I said after the predictions we have a couple a few listener questions depending on how much we have time for. So next week the preview showed us at each tribe sent someone to visit the opposing tribe there is some dissension in the ranks at one tribe is kill be says Devon thinks she's in control while Devon tells us kill be as a liar and someone finds a note in a bag and runs around while we hear a scream of mutiny. Now I don't think it's that mute me twist I mean I suppose it could be this is the open era anything could come back. If it is that mute me twist anyone would be a fool to do it.

1:10:11But really at whole preview was just a confusing mess I have no idea how to use it to predict anything so. Instead I'm going to focus on what will happen at the tribe we just saw. And Rob obviously is not going to go back and tell his tribe what he attempted to do. I think it's going to give him a jolt of energy and he's going to attempt to stick around kind of like people have already been comparing it to how you sort of tried to quit in tribal council. But then decided he wanted to stay type of thing. However, if that tribe loses again he may be in trouble or I guess yet what he wants depending on how you look at it because yeah he's one of the strong guys but he's also been a pain in the ass with all his complaining about how they do it challenges and oh we didn't do this correctly there's a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking going on with him and you're muted.

1:11:17Go ahead the mutiny thing that was a mute any mutiny mutiny that was a purple players bag. So and they found something in the bag and he has something because he hasn't idle so I'm curious if it if it wasn't players deciding what the hell is up with Rob let's go through his bag and then they find. Since he doesn't know enough that he can't vote for himself he wouldn't know enough to hide the damn thing and just leave it in his bag for anyone to find. Anyway, that could be that could be. Yeah and plus on top of that I'm sure I mean and they may if you're right they may be looking in there because of his weird stunt to tribal council which they still don't understand and who knows what Eric said to them. Right you know and now he appears to be in the minority on that tribe so I'm going to predict that Rob gets his wish one one episode later.

1:12:18I tend to agree with that because I do think that he's put himself in a terrible situation I do think that it's probably his bag that is being gone through and I think that he's his response to like what he's called out. He'll probably just be like you know what I want to go home and so I am not you know you can have my idol or whatever like I think he's just going to kind of roll over and be like I want to go home. I don't think it's going to give it like the toll that that that you were talking about I think it's going to just be like yeah no this what I want so. So the question is whether they believe him because if they know he has an idol he could be pretending so he can get all the votes on himself and then throw an idol in there sure. I mean you know it's easy to overthink that if you're in the other players position not knowing what the heck is going on in that head. Well all right we're both still predicting Rob yeah yeah. So on to list her questions we do have a few of them here and we we you know we knew this might be a slightly shorter podcast so Mike who had submitted a question to us last week.

1:13:31So another one if everything had worked out the way Rob wanted and his cockamami scheme got him sent home it's funny that Mike used the word cockamami because I used it to so I like that. How would that have fit into the rules. Jessica you want to take a shot at this or you want me to start it because it's about. I think we talked about it it's not it's against all of the rules like you can't you know you can't do this but okay so if his cockamami plan would have worked and he would have saved Eric and gotten himself voted out. It would have not had too much of an effect necessarily because we would still be losing someone who was on what now appears to be the minority right. Because we would be in my role my rules how it would have how we would have how it would have fit into my rules how we would have done. Period done. I mean I think rule two you know I'm trying to remember what we've done with other people who quit generally we just talk about their prior game to that point I mean this is actually too that's a little ridiculous.

1:14:39Yeah you know I mean we've had in the new era a couple of early quits I'm not going to call out anyone they know who they are so you know. Yes yes they know who they are and what they did but I think we could look back at those and if I had had more time I probably would have tried to find those so sorry about that Mike but. I think it would have mostly been rule two it would be planning and scheming too much because you're scheming your own demise yeah yeah so yeah so that would have been the main thing in all likelihood. Yeah alright little nori asked is the jelly and pat connection already a lethal weapon at this stage in the game so what do you think about those two I love these two together I was so happy that they came back together despite the fact that they voted separately right but I am very intrigued by pat and I'm curious does she ever find her pants because this poor girl doesn't have pants and not really that's a good thing.

1:15:47Really that's a that's a shitty thing to not have on that island that night you're cold you need your pants so pat I feel for you but I am yes I am very excited about the jelly and pat combo I do think that you have to very strong individuals who also are not over playing their hands like it's a jelly I love the one of her conventional she talked about how she was working with. I'm not a devon but she's like I got to be a little bit leery of devon because he's really playing kind of emotionally and so I love that she's kind of clocking people but she's not making it like overly obvious and pat is in the similar in the similar vein right she's she's present she's there but she's also not like making her it not like Devon like Devon is like everybody pay attention what I'm doing and Brody is the same way or Brady whatever his name is he called. He calls people Brody's it's confusing me your Brady why is a Brody's somebody explain that to me but anyway that's my thoughts on the jelly and pat thing I love it I love each of them also I'm a little worried at why I mean we mentioned you know jelly telling pat already about the idol.

1:17:11I but I'm okay with it here. I know when are we okay with it okay only I'm only okay with it because she realized when I say she jelly realized that she's now like in the minority and she's like I need to ingratiate myself with someone who is not in the minority and so she chose pat and so I can understand that moment because I had a very similar moment with Ken. When I told Ken about my legacy advantage I didn't want to tell anybody but I knew I needed somebody who was going to help me who is going to get me back in and so you choose that person at that moment to say okay I'm going to share this with you because I want you to know I'm with you and I'm loyal to you and we're going to play this game together so I'm okay with it in this particular circumstance because again she was reading the room she was seeing what was happening new shoes in the minority and needed to get back on track so I'm okay with it. Okay all right well there we have it all right and our final question comes from Sarah cupcakes who I finally got to meet at rehab con she's great and she asks a great question now I'm going to need you to put your thinking cap on for this one.

1:18:27Okay. Was the severed thumb technically the second boot. That's incredible. That's incredible. I would say don't think they saved it I mean they put it in a baggie but it certainly didn't get reattached. They showed it to Jeff Jeff said he saw it. Oh what when did he say that? It was in some interview he must have done an interview with with Dalton. Listen that was gross okay like. Oh yeah that was my whole timeline was why are you showing us that I know and my rewatch I walked away I'm like okay I know it's happening I don't need to see any of that. I fast forwarded I fast forwarded during it I was like I don't want to see parking. I don't know. No, no. Funny little aside when I was in I think junior high I had I was in technology class okay and we had a project that we were working on we were making something so we were using tools and

1:19:40the teacher that we had was this lovely gentleman he was great and in the middle of him helping one of the other students he actually cut off the tip of his thumb. And all he did was take some paper towel wrapped that shit up and walked around for the rest of class just holding it nobody knew except the girl that had been he'd been helping and she didn't say anything and then after he was done he went to the nurse and was like I just cut out the tip of my thumb and you got but nobody knew what had happened and then so for the rest of the year he had a very flat some because he had cut the tip off so I mean I guess it happens but oh God no I would not have had a coworker whose finger here ring finger I think it was his ring finger may have been his pointer was missing the top joint because he was a boy scout leader okay and he had a machete and he was teaching the kids safety with the machete and while teaching them safety with the machete he cut off top half of his joint of his finger yes I bet you they learned how to use a machete after that

1:20:57they learned how not to use a machete that's damn we don't do it like that guy oh my God that's awful. So I only knew him after I only I only really knew him after he had lost it so I just got the story about it. Accinately but you know listen I did look a lot of props a lot of props yeah I did look back at at someone who quit in the new era again I won't call him out I looked at my notes just now and I forgot now I did not do plotting and scheming too much it was don't let your emotions control them that is it because clearly I don't know why I didn't occur to me because Rob clearly got overly emotional and that's why he wanted to quit so that's a very fair point where the main the main chunk would have come from would have been would have been that say it's a good thing you have notes because you can go back and look that's right oh I could go back and look at all sorts of stuff so yes fascinating

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1:23:18good luck on your next podcast because that's going to be a long one it is it is yes thank you as always Jessica for being flexible and scheduling here and and everything else with my full thumbs you know that's right that's right for having given me this shirt so that I could wear a here in in honor of the two people who really should wear it so we will see everyone in a week I will see you guys we will see everyone in a week I will see all the big brother fans in potentially just a few hours after you see this depending on you can of course find us on social media in the meantime till then bye vision returns for the final chapter of the groundbreaking trilogy that family wasn't real you sure about that how about their cold vision how is this possible

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