Whistleblower allegations up and down the State of California

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1:01You think when Santa comes to deliver the gifts, he partakes? Maybe a couple of the elves too. 800-222-5222 is cell phone number 1-800-222-5222. Well, we know that the response that we saw from the city of LA, the county of LA, the city of California, to the fires that destroyed Southern California, portions of Southern California last year were abysmal. And some might say they were sleeping on the job. But Randy, it may actually be more than just a metaphor. A whistleblower complaint has emerged at the County of Los Angeles alleging that an employee in the office of emergency management during the Eden fire was literally sleeping on the job. I wonder if Bill Cosby was his barista and a feeling that was coming. For more, here's ABC7, eyewitness news. Now at five, a whistleblower inside LA County's office of emergency management comes forward.

2:05He says a former colleague who had a crucial role in the emergency operation center as the Eden fire raised in Altenina was at times a sleep on the job. eyewitness news investigative reporter Kevin Olsen. You know, that's a great job for someone with narcolepsy. I wonder why they didn't hire him to be an airline pilot. eyewitness news investigative reporter Kevin Olsenbeck here with that story, Kevin. Mark and Michelle, the man behind this whistleblower complaint is Nick Vicaro, who's currently an associate director with the Office of Emergency Management. And he now wants to go public with what he says. He experienced as he came into work as homes were still burning on the morning of January 8th. You're supposed to be the one that's kind of keeping an eye on the whole operational picture. That's how Nick Vicaro describes the role of the emergency operation center director. It's a lead by the way, this guy actually putting his name out there. That's a dangerous game in retaliatory LA County, but good for him. Oh, yeah, they are definitely coming after him full force.

3:05That's how Nick Vicaro describes the role of the emergency operation center director. It's a leading position here inside the county's EOC when it's activated. So you essentially oversee everyone in that room. Yes, sir. And you make sure things are moving properly. That's correct. On January 7th, 2025 at 7 p.m. So shortly after the Eden fire sparked, Vicaro says now retired OEM employee Steve Lieberman started his 12-hour shift in the EOC director role at 5.30 a.m. The caro says he came into replacement. So as I'm walking in, Steve walks out of his office and as loud as he could for the entire emergency operation center to hear he yells, I don't know why we're even activated. Nothing's happening. What? What's everyone getting all excited about? Why in the world would you say that in front of other people?

4:06I don't know why we're even activated. Nothing's happening. County employee. Boy, when they know they're bulletproof, man, are they bulletproof? To which I obviously got very angry and screamed at him to look at the TVs. Well, the mayor didn't know it was going to be windy, even though it was on every weather cast in Southern California. This guy didn't understand why people were getting so worked up over the fires that, you know, destroyed large portions of Southern California. And by the way, this was the fire in LA County where LA County screwed up the emergency alert system and did not send evacuation alerts to a whole bunch of people in Altadena. And then the next day sent a erroneous evacuation alert to the entire county for a small fire in Woodland Hills. And we wonder why they come off as being clueless. So you speak to staff who worked the overnight shift. What did they tell you? They told me that he was sleeping.

5:09Well that explains it. Three people who were inside the EOC during all or part of that overnight shift tell seven on your side investigates off camera that they either saw Lieberman sleeping during parts of his shift or did not see him in the EOC for good portions of his shift. And this guy is the boss. Keep in mind when they tell you if you don't vote for a tax increase that your life is going to be on the line because they're not going to have the personnel to deal with fires and disasters and those sorts of things. They want more money for this guy. So if you were to take it in terms of the military, it would be like having the commanding officer be AWOL during a major battle. You're not making the calls on evacuations that's done by law and fire, but you are overseeing the unit that's pushing the button to send out the alerts. And there was a lot of problems with that button. And keep in mind this guy works for the County of Los Angeles. He works for the board of supervisors.

6:11He knows what the ethos are here. And he knows that they fully expect him to get away with behavior like that because that's just what happens here. L.A. County tells us Steve Lieberman had no responsibility for receiving or issuing evacuation alerts and warnings emergency alerts and warnings are issued based on decisions made by unified command in the field and relay directly to the office of emergency management alert and warning unit. It is unacceptable. Does this sound like a very complicated bureaucracy five ever heard one? It does. Changi. It is unacceptable for any OEM employee in the midst of an emergency response to fall asleep. Oh, the unions aren't going to like here and that, but they know the threat is hollow. They don't care. However, to be absolutely clear, Mr. Lieberman had no impact on the timing of alerts and warnings to all to Dina. As per County policy, we have forwarded all of Nick Vicaro's claims for investigation.

7:16Office of emergency. By the way, this is the same department that had to do an investigation as to why that emergency alert went out when the entire county did not need to be evacuated and they guide does the press conference and says, well, we didn't investigation and no human was actually responsible for it. So nobody's in trouble. So they can't even give a straight story. Yep. Office of emergency management director Kevin McGowan, that's the guy Kevin McGowan. He's the guy that said with a straight face, no one is to blame for firing off the wrong emergency alert. It was AI Office of emergency management director Kevin McGowan declined our interview request, but says neither I nor my deputy director observed Steve Lieberman sleeping during any emergency activation during the while we got three people that went on the road. The record to say he was, yeah, who's more relevant? The three people who were there that day or this guy and his buddies during the overnight

8:21operational period of January 7th. We were present in the emergency operation center and observed Mr. Lieberman awake and performing his responsibilities when we were there. Why are you speaking? Okay. Then why are these three people all saying the same thing in addition to the whistleblower? The whistleblower who is going on the record saying that this guy walked up and said, why does everyone get an all worked up about what's going on over here? Why are we even here right now? This is a world where Holly Mitchell's in charge. You think Holly Mitchell is going to demand excellence from county employees? I do not. We have to be mindful of that. Why are you speaking about this now? For me personally, it's really about wanting to protect my community. Vicaro says he believes the office of emergency management remains deeply understaffed. At the time of the fires, the OEM had a staff of 37. The office is requesting to boost its budget to add 44 more staff and says it's ready

9:25to respond to any emergency. The office of LA County Supervisor Catherine Barger confirmed to us that Nick Vicaro has filed an official whistleblower complaint to the supervisor. And that means with California protections, the county cannot retaliate against him. Oh, they will. They'll find ways of doing it. They're going to try to ruin this guy's life. Well, if they do that because of whistleblower protections, this guy will be able to sue the county for millions. How screwed up is it where at the county level, you have one person who's normal and the rest of them are freaks. The supervisor. You could rely on Catherine Barger to give a sober analysis of what's going on. And the rest of them have their foot on the gas pedal of the car as it's going off the cliff. I love the bus driver. We know. The supervisor says residents of Los Angeles County deserve absolute confidence in the integrity and readiness of our emergency management system.

10:28The allegations are serious and are being fully reviewed through the appropriate whistleblower and investigative processes. Now we did try to reach out to Steve Lieberman but a request for comment. Oh, yeah. So the guy that at the center of all this sleepy, he retired last year. So he's living on a nice fat pension, probably in another state. Now we did try to reach out to Steve Lieberman but a request for comment have not been returned. However, the outlet LAS reports that Lieberman did tell them he was not asleep during that overnight shift. Vescaz filed this whistleblower complaint back there. I love by the way how specific he was. I wasn't asleep on that specific day at that specific time. Vescaz filed this whistleblower. I was just resting my eyes for hours at a time. Vescaz filed this whistleblower complaint back in October of last year. Vescaz Lieberman was already retired at that time. Live in the studio, Kevin O's back, ABC7 I witness news.

11:28So there you go. The whistleblower complaint that a critical employee at the office of emergency management during the initial hours of the eaten fire was sleeping on the job. How is it that Catherine Barger is the only member of the board that's on the record on this subject? Frankly, shouldn't that in theory really upset the other members of the board and at least get them to publicly comment on it? But they just don't care. They've moved on. It's just wild to me. And again, we live in a one-party state, a one-party county, a one-party city. So unless it until it offends Democrats, none of this matters. And none of them seem to care either. Hey, we got a call from Althadena. Let's get a mark on Althadena, Mark, hello. Yeah, hey, another person who can't keep their story straight is Catherine Barger.

12:35She announced that rebuilding would be like for like. It is not. I am a partial burn. It's a big property by suburban Sanders, almost two acres. My main house did not burn the back properties burned, pull house, big garage, and so forth. But they're about 600 feet from the street. And of all the agencies that's holding up my plan, it went through planning, went through the building department. It's the county fire department that's, say, they're not going to release the plan. I have to change my house by 100-year-old house to meet their demand. These guys, they won't carry, they have new laws that are written for them. For example, they don't carry their fire hoses more than 200 feet. You can speak of these guys are like big barrel chests that do. They don't carry their fire hoses. And they set it out loud. And they said there's no chance we're going to build, let your plan that you have a 10-foot driveway. We want a 20-foot wide driveway. We want you to take a portion of your house down so you can get that 20-foot driveway.

13:40These guys are the LA County Fire Department. They're just another branch of big, stupid government. How do you feel you've been treated through this whole process? I like crap. They set this building up with all the departments in it. It's in Alton, Indiana. It's called One Stop. I've been there 35 times. My wife tells me to practice not being pissed off, it's easier for me to knock out my own front teeth. I'm a year plus into this thing and I got a start over. I got nothing. I had a meeting with Katherine Barger, face-to-face at this creature called One Stop. She happened to be in the building so I started pitching a bus. I want to talk to you and then she walked over with her entourage and started opening books and they said, they get back to me. That was a month ago. No one's got back to me. They all go in their vacations, they don't return emails and they give you handlers. They keep reassigning you to a handler and the handler starts from the bottom.

14:43Where do you live? What's your name? What's your number? All this stuff you start over and you start over. They treat you like garbage. Realistically, how long do you think it's going to take before your whole, before you're fully rebuilt? Well, I'm going to submit something substantially smaller than what my garage, for example, was almost 2,500 square feet, big collectibles and cars and all that. If I want that garage, I have to submit something no larger than 1,000 square feet because in the fire department doesn't get involved in any structure less than 1,000 square feet. That's what it's going to look like. I'm going to have this where I had these grand pool house, a garage, I'm going to have these little bitty houses and cabana as a replacement. I will never be whole to answer your question. It's awful that you have to rebuild something that's not what you had to make the fire department

15:45or at least to cut the fire department out of the process because they're being such a pain in the ass. Well, and Karen Barger should have kept quiet about that. She's going straight up against legislative law. She can't just walk and say, oh, you know, here's this 100-year-old house. They're applying to my 100-year-old house, current fire codes. I can't get there. It's insane. Have you talked to your neighbors about this? Yeah, you've got the same problem. So everyone's just dealing with a never-ending nightmare. Yeah, it's never going to end. I don't know. He hasn't, he's a little further behind that I am, but he has a different access. I'm kind of landlocked. He's got a side street, Raymond, but it's a fire department. These dudes, they're just big, stupid government. And when it finally came to a real fire, my wife has to share an office with them in

16:46her Irwin Delbs because our office amounted either burned or the ground. And I talked to the fire department and had an office there, so I talked to these guys up a little bit. And he tells me, hey, man, it was all really bad that night when things were out of control. And I told him to do that. I'm not interested when it was out of control. I could talk to 50 neighbors. I want to know how that would happen with them. What were you doing when there was no fire at all? What were you doing when there was a, when there was a small fire? And the answer, I kind of chuckled, well, not much. They were watching telepubby reruns. You know, who survived without a scratch is every single out to the inner fire station. They didn't have a dusty bumper, not a scratch. They saved themselves. All right. Thank you. Thank you for the call, sir. I appreciate it. I'm sorry. You're going through what you're going through, which is why if it were me, I think I would move to a different part of the state. I'm not saying that's the right decision. I'm saying for my own mental health, for my own sanity, I think I would have to do that.

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20:55People who were sentenced by a judge and jury and were supposed to be in prison for a good long time, but because the state of California has a bias and a law that says that elder inmates should be released early, that's exactly what the parole boards are doing. Well, guess what? We're now learning that when the state of California lets a lot of these bad dudes and perverts out, they're not even keeping an eye on them when they're in the community. And this is going all the way back to COVID where parole has really not meant a damn thing, because even though you're supposed to be checking in, there's not a whole lot of contact between CDCR and those parolees. For more on this, we go once again to KCRA 3, California politics 360, Ashley's Evola's Sunday show that you can now watch on Fox 11 in LA and KTVU, Fox two in the bay. Hey, that rhymed frustration growing with how the state releases criminals from

21:58prison and an apparent lack of supervision while they're on parole. This week, state Republican leaders called on the governor to replace the parole board. It comes after the board approved the release of violent sex offenders under the state's elder parole law. And there's been a lot more since David Allen Funston. There's been a lot more just in the last week. Oh, yeah, only the truly awful ones make the news. Public safety must always come first. And predators who admit that they're still attracted to children belong behind bars not back in our community. The call comes as Governor Newsom's administration is facing a potential lawsuit. The family of a 27 year old woman killed in 2020 blames the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation for not doing its job to keep tabs on a man on parole. He's now accused of killing their daughter and another woman while driving under the influence. Now a former CDCR employee is blowing the whistle. He says there's a toxic culture when it comes to people who are released from our state's

22:59prison system with potentially dangerous consequences. So we let him out early and we're not keeping tabs on them. What could possibly go wrong? And keep in mind, we pay a fortune to live here. We're supposed to have the best services in the entire union. We honestly had no idea what they were doing or how they were doing. You weren't tracking people who were on parole. I had GPS information and that's it. And who told you to not do that? My supervisors. Because like everything else in this state, if you ask too many questions and you obtain too much information, you're going to have to throw people back in prison because that's where they belong. But if you don't know anything, then you can't throw them back in prison. Disturbing allegations from a former state corrections parole officer. As a sex offender agent, I had GPS tracking information. So I could see pretty much where they were at any given time. But beyond that, what they were doing at those moments, I have no idea.

24:00Speaking to me under the agreement, we would conceal his identity. He talked about his six years with the parole unit based in San Francisco. He said the issue worsened during the pandemic when he says all work was done by phone. Yeah. How does that work when you're making sure that parolees are not reoffending? What's the honor system all work was done by phone. It was literally this is like in LA County, we decided to put everyone on ankle monitors. And then because of all the staffing crisis at juvenile halls, move all of the probation deputies to Juvie and no one's actually watching the ankle monitors. How's that working out for us? It's not. It was literally are you are you abiding by the law today? Yes. Fantastic. Can you imagine amongst themselves when all the perverts get together and they talk about their time in the pen and they talk about the state of California?

25:01How dumb they think we are. Whatever they told us is exactly what we would put in the system saying that that's they're okay. It's that policy that Heroko Abe says led to the death of her 27 year old daughter, Hanako. It's the scene she did, you know, Hanako was a very honest person and kind and thoughtful. Speaking to us from Japan through an interpreter, Abe talked about the driver charged with killing Hanako and another pedestrian in 2020. Prosecutors said Troy McAllister was speeding while under the influence of method alcohol when he ran a red light. This video from KTVU shows the scene. He was on parole with the criminal history that includes nine felony convictions, including drug offenses, attempted car jacking and robbery. These are the kind of people that we're letting out every single day and eventually it becomes deadly and that is why Hanako Abe is no longer alive.

26:01It sounds like we did a real good job rehabilitating this guy. He was on parole with the criminal history that includes nine felony convictions, including drug offenses, attempted car jacking and robbery. The Abe family is now filing a government claim, saying daily city police contacted CDCR two days before the crash. They wanted help finding McAllister to take him into custody for violating his parole. But the claim says the state refused. I'm getting real angry at this story. Well, this is what Gavin Newsom wants. He does not want quote unquote over incarceration. So if you just shut your eyes and put your hands over your ears, then you don't know what's going on around you. And surprise, oh, look, well, you can't protect them all. This one's going to slip through the cracks. That's the attitude that they have because they think that prison is violence, just like that freak running for the US Senate in Texas who said that in those exact words. They all believe it, but he was the only one dumb enough to say it.

27:03If you think that the prison system is racist and classist and violent and all of that, then you don't want to put anyone in there. And that's what the state is doing. They're bending over backwards so they don't fill up our prisons again. Even when the state is told by local law enforcement that someone violated their parole, they don't care. They wanted help finding McAllister to take him into custody for violating his parole. But the claim says the state refused. Nothing can bring back their daughter. So they just want to make sure this doesn't happen again. And that if the parole division is supposed to be supervising parole leaves, let's make sure that's happening. The claim includes this email reportedly from San Francisco parole supervisors telling agents not to assist other agencies. In writing, my guess is that it gives that impression that rehabilitation is working. When in fact the complete opposite was happening, they were running a muck.

28:07The whistleblower says, even though rules relaxed under COVID, arrest expectations never fully recovered saying it could continue to lead to problems statewide. OK, this is actually Zavala's great. She's the best journalist in the state. This has nothing to do with COVID. This was George Floyd. This was when they decided that prison was racist and we couldn't put anyone in prison. And that's why we just have to pretend like we don't know what's going on. It was a few things at the same time because it was also, oh, prisons a good, easy place to get COVID. We got to let everybody out. Yeah, but look at what happened in New York. They don't care about killing us from COVID. What they cared about was being branded a racist because the whole country lost its mind for about two years where everyone decided to go off the woke plank, including the state of California. And the problem is that many of the people that run the government internalized all of that insanity so they never moved on. The rest of us moved on, some of us like me never fell for it in the first place, but

29:11a lot of people did. And now if you go out and say the crazy stuff that people were saying back then and you hope to get elected to something, it's not going to happen. It's going to sink that guy in Texas that everyone thinks is going to get elected. You can't get elected if you think prisons are violence and we need a welcome at the southern border and there are six different genders. But back then that's what that crowd was saying and that's what this is a function of. This is a function of George Floyd. They're not being properly supervised. I believe that's purposeful in nature and unequivocally I will state that they are not safe. People are not safe at all. These prolies are left to rampage throughout the state and more issues will occur that are similar in nature to unfortunately the incident that occurred in San Francisco. We reached out to the governor's office and to CDCR for a comment at the time we taped we had not yet heard back from the governor's office.

30:13CDCR says it cannot comment on potential pending litigation, but the department's top priority is public safety. Sure it is. Boy, they just say it over and over and over again and then behind the scenes refused to help local police departments and finding these people. That is just a little taste of what really is going on in California's prisons. We're letting everybody out that we can and then we're not even tracking them when they're out on parole. Let's go to Brian and Sacramento, Brian, hello. Hey, yeah, guys, how you doing today? Good. Hey, I just want to tell you guys about an experience I had a year ago, this last November, I was in Solano County working and I got robbed and shot twice and they caught the perpetrator two hours later because I got the license number of her car, 32 year old woman and her sentence

31:17was two years of court diversion, basically probation. That seems a bit light. Yeah, yeah, think and then the assistant DA, when she was telling me about it and stuff, she was as jovial as can be about it. I was in this the greatest thing in the world and stuff, it was insane, I can't believe it. So too, it was a 177 caliber pellet gun, which did take a piece out of my thumb and did embed into my shoulder and because it was not a powder, actuated gun, it's not a firearm. And a lot of these DAs, I think they understand that the political pull in the state, the gravitational pull is to make sure that people don't go to jail, make sure certainly they don't go for a long time. And so they just have a defeatist sort of attitude and they're there to just process paperwork.

32:20Pretty much, yeah, that's about it and if she goes the two years without getting in any trouble, all charges are dropped and forgotten and never to be brought up again. And also, I understood from the PD that I reported it to you that when she did this, she was on parole. Well, and if they're not keeping track of what she's doing now, then what's the point of even putting her on parole again or probation or whatever it is that she's on? Well, that's what I'm saying. It's just a joke. It's a terrible joke. You guys, I mean, the criminals are the criminals of the victims nowadays. But I'm actually, honestly, I was thinking that they were going to press charges against me for something while I was waiting, you know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. Well, that's what they do here. They make right left, left, right, up, down, down, up, right, wrong, wrong, right. That's the way it works here now. Exactly. Well, hey, you guys, I really appreciate your show and I love listening to you guys.

33:22You guys have a great day now, okay? All right. Thank you for the call, sir. All right. So many cities in California claim that they're doing everything that they can to bust up the homeless encampments. We know that in San Jose, Matt Mayhan has made that a top priority. However, when one part of the state zigs, you can always count on one city in California to Zag. And that city is Oakland, California because a homeless encampment that was displaced by CalTrans construction has been allowed to stay thanks to the city of Oakland. Because of course, allowing the encampments to stay up is the compassionate thing to do. For more on this, we got a cron for the unhoused residents who are forced to move from an encampment in Oakland three times in a week have now been allowed to stay at sixth and Webster. This is while crowd force slipped your dollars reporting, more permanent housing solutions are in the works. It's hard to live a regular life, whoa.

34:27That is definitely meth voice. That's meth and tobacco. It's hard to live a regular life. And I think a blood relation to Gary Bucey is hard to live a regular life, you know, a baby. He's so clean. Yeah. Look, there are certain people just hearing them speak makes your throat hurt. I think I need some more water with lemon. It's hard to live a regular life, you know, a baby. He's so clean, you know, porta-potties, you know, it's kind of hard to live a day-to-day life. A life complicated by tension and uncertainty. He's got no flush ready. Marcus is one of more than a dozen unhoused residents living in an encampment at sixth and Webster streets in Oakland. Last week, they were forced to pack up and move their things three times to make way for construction of CalTrans Oakland Alameda access project and have anticipated being swept the fourth time this week.

35:27You could go somewhere else. You don't live there. This guy should be in an institution somewhere. You can give him affordable housing or you can give him a cot and a shelter. It's not going to fix his problems. You can't get out anywhere. They come out, they take our names and then we don't see him again until the next week. The residents are no longer on private or CalTrans property for the past week. No, there weren't allowed to be on the private property. They're now not allowed to be on the CalTrans property because CalTrans is doing construction, so they'll be on city property. Because of course, Barbara Lee speaks for me. Pretty for the past week, they have been back on city sidewalks. The city says it has conducted outreach and will assist the residents with shelter and resources, but has not provided a deadline for the residents to clear the encampment. See that's a little different from how things are done in San Jose, which isn't perfect. But when Matt May had wanted to clear out Columbus Park, it was you got to be out by this

36:31date and you can either take the shelter or you can go somewhere else or if you want to stay here, you're going to jail. Yeah, here's the difference. San Jose doesn't have a 900 year old communist run in the city. Right now, CalTrans says the encampment is not obstructing its project and does not require any immediate removals, but that could change as the project progresses. Anxious and stressful. Everyone's in everyone interviewed in this story has math voice. But you know, they're there because of the high cost housing, Randy. I disagree in the past week, the faith community hosted a vigil in support of the unhoused residents. That makes me want to pull their tax exempt status and council member Charlene Wong stepped in no relation and stepped in taking part in in person and virtual meetings looking for a solution, which included state leaders. Probably they either give us a safe parking place somewhere that we can be that saves

37:32that we're not going to get kicked off of. CalTrans has offered us boy, we are bending over backwards to make sure a homeless encampment stays intact. It's unreal that these are the people they're trying to please instead of the people who live there and pay taxes there and own homes there and run small businesses there. Those people don't matter. Hopefully they either give us a safe parking place somewhere that we can be that saves that we're not going to get kicked off of. CalTrans has offered a similar suggestion to the city after acknowledging there are currently no available shelter options, find a central location for the residents to stay during construction and avoid the need for them to move anymore after that, especially since the construction project will continue through 2029. It's hard to deal with this every day, it's very stressful and it's supposed to be in Oakland. You can go somewhere else. Here's the thing, Elon's working on that neural link, have you read up on that?

38:37I have not. Okay. I think that's going to be the only thing that's going to save these people where you can use AI technology to essentially just delete everything on their hard drive and then put on the hard drive what you want them to know and you can fix them that way because right now we have no way to fix these people. Their brains are scrambled from drugs or severe mental illness. Once we can reprogram them, they can live among us. But until then, you can't allow this to happen and because we have no fix for the underlying problem, what cities and states have to do is just keep them moving. Don't let them stay too long. Keep them moving and wait until you find some location that's dumb enough to keep them and apparently that place is Oakland, California.