'Violent Incident' in Middle East

0:00This is CNN Breaking News. Good morning everybody. I'm Audit Cornish. We're actually following this breaking news out of the Middle East. A passenger jet headed for Israel forced to make an emergency landing in Saudi Arabia. Now flight tracking data showing that a flight from Dubai to Tel Aviv had to turn around after sending an emergency signal. This is tell CNN a quote violent incident between two pilots is to blame. Joining me now with the latest CNN correspondent, Laney Yakhros, she is in Dubai. What is the latest that we are hearing about what might have happened here? Yeah, I mean really quite a remarkable story. I mean what we understand and you've said it, the sources tell us that this is a violent incident that ensued between the pilots and over the time Iran 130 a.m. Eastern Audi, this is when the plane lost altitude and I want you to get sort of a sense of this 34,000

1:02feet dropping to 16 and a half thousand feet in the span of two minutes. We're talking about a descent of over 17,000 feet and that's a very dramatic drop. So big questions around the safety of the passengers. Fly Dubai has said everyone's safe, everyone's accounted for and fly Dubai is also not saying that this was a violent incident between the pilots. They were just saying that this is an incident that transpired. Then we know the plane sent out an emergency signal and then the Israeli Prime Minister got together with security officials to discuss this incident. Initially there was major concern around whether it was a hijacking and then of course more information came to the fore around the pilots getting into some kind of altercation. We don't know why, we don't know how, but this is what we have right now. The other important thing that we've got to remember here is that Saudi Arabia and Israel do not have diplomatic relations but there has been some movement on allowing and opening

2:03up airspace for both countries to use their airspace to sort of travel with regards to flights. That was in 2022 but in terms of getting passengers now back to Israel because this flight left Dubai and was meant to go to Ben Gurion in Israel and then diverted. It's now in tabooq in Saudi Arabia and from what we understand this is the latest that we have that Israel is now considering sending either a military aircraft or a passenger aircraft to get the passengers back to Israel. So just so we're clear as far as it's known this plane landed safely what's not known is what caused the diversion. The only thing we know is that the pilots were in some kind of violent altercation that clearly caused this massive descent. So it gives you a sense of the urgency that must have happened on this plane and I think that this is a big signal of how serious this altercation must have been Audi for the

3:08plane to just drop so dramatically and again I just want to reiterate over 17,000 feet a drop in two minutes. Flight Dubai hasn't confirmed this information which of course is quite interesting we are in contact with them. We have reached out to them to give us more information but right now we've got, I'm showing the flight radar information you see this diversion landing in tabooq and flight devices everyone is safe on the Israeli side of things. This is where we've gotten a lot more information with regards to the sources that we've spoken to that have given us a bit more info but one thing I have to say here and this is important during the war there was also another flight that was diverted that landed in Saudi Arabia and those passengers were taken back to Israel. So there is going to be a lot of diplomacy in the background to all of this and I think a lot of authorities are looking at this as firstly serious why did this happen what happened between the pilots what was the reasoning and of course whether it's just an altercation

4:10that caused this diversion or whether there's sort of an underlying issue here that could perhaps be more serious. So we'll be listening today for more from the Israeli government and as you point out the Saudi government as well given the diplomatic relations there or lack thereof. Alain Yisqaqos thank you so much we'll check in with you later and after the break on CNN this morning we're going to turn back to Jack Smith but then also basketball player Caitlin Clark and then this honestly Republican perjury trap that failed. Plus is Abdul El Sayed having a maha moment coming up the Michigan Senate race moves to court RFK's junior RFK junior supporters. This podcast is supported by Anthropic the public benefit corporation behind Claude. Everyone's got a hard question about AI and theropic was built to surface those questions and share what it finds along the way because there's hope in hard questions.

5:14Skjores at claw.ai slash Spotify and keep thinking that's claw.ai slash Spotify. So the president and leaders and the artificial intelligence industry say they've made a deal. A deal which if the critics are right could leave the fate of humanity in the hands of big tech. So Trump brought together leading executives at the White House on Tuesday some of the leaders in that very room are calling for government regulations.

6:16Now instead they emerged hours later with what Trump called the White House accord on super intelligence. A one-page document with four bullet points of voluntary guardrails. The document posted to Trump social media account features the signatures of six tech company CEOs alongside the president's name although the title is misspelled. But these models are very complex and again I believe they're going to be used for the good and when they're not we're going to be able to have them. But there's going to be a tremendous self-policing aspect. Joining me now in the group chat Alex Thompson CNN political analyst and national political correspondent at Axios Maria Curie tech policy reporter at Axios Terry Schilling president at the American principles project and Antoine C. Wright democratic strategist. So we went from being like we don't need to do anything to actually let's have dinner and have a conversation. What came out of this conversation we see guardrails but what does that actually mean based

7:17on the document. A lot of the requirements that they agreed on is actually just what any public company has to do. So having an independent board, having outside evaluators come in and check things out once in a while but it's all voluntary. None of it is actually mandated by the government and it comes as some of these companies do eventually prepare to go public. So the government didn't take any big swings here and this conversation was more about rebranding artificial intelligence to super intelligence than taking any real regulatory action. You're nodding at the rebranding why? Well because Donald Trump has been really out on his skis and backing artificial intelligence companies in ways that are politically unhelpful even to members of his own party and Trump if anything is a marketer. And so he has been very deliberate about saying no we're doing super intelligence. And even before this meeting you saw Mark Zuckerberg and other executives start actually using this terminology because all these, you know, a lot of these executives are taking their

8:17cues from Donald Trump as part of a larger sort of making nice with Donald Trump. Since you mentioned Mark Zuckerberg here is what he said when asked about the idea of self policing. He drafted a set of principles and commitments around building robust internal controls and detecting if there are any issues with the technology coupled with multiple layers of auditing and controls starting with internal risk review, external auditors and evaluators and agreeing that we're going to have all of our boards of directors independently review the reports that come from the auditors. I want to play one other thing which is a former presidential candidate Andrew Yang who specifically kind of pointed to Zuckerberg and he said this. This is one of the worst outcomes I feared Laura where we saw what the tech companies did on social media. They self policed that too and what you wound up with was hundreds of thousands of depressed

9:20and anxious teenagers, particularly adolescent girls and lawsuit showing that met a new that their products were destructive and harmful. Given how many whistleblowers for instance have come out talking about internal discussions of a meta for example, what do we know about the culture of self policing in the tech industry? Doesn't really work. I think ultimately this is going to be settled through lawsuits and if the government does take any action it's probably not going to be until 2028. If you remember when Biden was president he used the Defense Production Act to compel these companies to just share basic information with the government. It's a standard transparency measure that this administration is clearly not wanting to do. I'm not really expecting any action until there's potentially a Democrat in the White House. One other thing, there is this constant refrain. I'm hearing it more and more that the talk and the doom orism around AI is somehow a repeat of what people on the right consider to climate hoax.

10:22These are threats that there is this talk of extinction or job apocalypse that they aren't playing out. There was this tweet from David Sachs who is maybe the ARZR or thinking of being the ARZR. Former AIZR. Jake Clayton maybe the new AIZR. Exactly. He says, look, agent safety, meaning the actual programs. He says it's an engineering problem and that recent breakouts or hacks, they're not proof that development must stop. They're proof that the sandbox was too weak and the right response he talks about, isolating, controlling. But basically, we don't need virtue signaling a pause. You know what I mean? We have a solution. Well, that would certainly be beneficial for Jensen Huang when AI is policing AI. That means you need more chips, which is what his company manufactures and it would also be really good for the open source industry. Usually when AI is policing AI, it's open source players policing closed source players. And so even though there was a lack of diversity in that room in terms of outside industry players,

11:24a lot of those industry players differ in their motivations and incentives. Very much so. It was the world's most awkward photo wall. You ever thought? Well, I'm concerned that there was zero representation of African Americans in that photo and in that room. Because when you think about the browning of America, the reality is that we're growing population that's going to be severely impacted by this. We should not be surprised that Republicans are the party or choosing not to regulate an industry because that is their motto. That's what they, that's their bread and butter. But we've also seen time and time again when you pull back and roll back regulation, the long-term implications and what that means for the American people. All you have to do is what we see happening where all the food recalls. They fire, they fire inspectors, they roll back regulation. And now we have over 200 food recalls. To me, I'm much, much, much, much worried about it. I see a little bit differently. Obviously, Republicans are more hesitant about regulation.

12:25I think that's not a terrible thing. But Democrats, on the other hand, regulate our gas tanks. They regulate our toilet tanks, right? I think there's a happy medium in here. Because AI companies, I think the big thing that we need to keep our, our, our, our focus on is human agency, right? I think that's what most people on the right are concerned about is when the, when the tools for AI, AI is great. It's a great tool. It's a great, it's an intern. It's a glorified intern for me. But when it starts making decisions on our behalf, that's where I think most people get, get concerned. And also you have the suicides that are happening from these chatbots. We obviously need some basic regulations. We don't want to give our competitors an unfair advantage. But I just think it's, I think they, you know, actually, I think that you just aren't that far off. It's the distance between constituencies and voters and the White House and the industry who keep saying, it's fine. Stop freaking out. It's fine. And the polling is like, it is not fine. We like, we hear, we hear problems and we'd like to address them before they do damage. You know who said that?

13:26Actually, I don't have it. Maybe I do have it here. Bill Gates of all people. He has been speaking up more and more. He called this whole self-regulation thing insane. And then he followed it up with this. It's almost like a constitution in a way. And the biggest people in the world, side that, and I side that is president, and it really is a form of protection. Is this a core that everybody signs in finding in any way? I think it's morally binding, yeah. That is not Bill Gates, but it is a point people have been looking at, which is it's not just self-pleading policing. It's like a vibe space document. It's trust. It's just complete and utter trust. I don't know. It's for McNacarta. I just, like, this is going to be, I know. I'm just trying to say, like, where else do a bunch of signatures mean something? They can't work something. And his work. And his work. They can't work something. Of the Constitution, by the way, is a nod toward anthropics, Constitution, Claude's Constitution, Daryamadai was there as well. So you can see I'm reconciling even with his biggest enemy in the industry.

14:27But in terms of the products coming out, at the same time that the White House was having all of these discussions yesterday, you had development days, big annual AI conference over in San Francisco, that Sam Altman was 20 more products were released, including agentic products where you do have AI, you know, taking actions on its own without humans in the loop. And so the products are continuing to come out, 20 plus products. And in terms of Democrats policing or not policing, it's not going to be Democrats in Congress. It's probably going to have to be a Democrat in the White House, because a lot of these Democratic lawmakers also are taking PAC money from the AI industry, and they also are interested. Yeah, but that doesn't mean they cannot regulate, because we've had this conversation before. You owe me of so much faith. Well, I'm just saying, just because you take a campaign contribution does not mean you cannot do your job. Yeah, although we know that, that has, question has been raised by voters themselves on a variety of issues, right? Like, true. Who, what PAC do you accept money from has become a thing in many different topics? Right. So I want to say the voters do have doubts about that. I mean, like, we live in DC.

15:28AI companies are scooping up operatives and both parties left and right. And to Marie's earlier point, the thing is that it's very difficult to decipher what people are, what some of these executives are saying that is earnest and honest and what is just in their self-interest. Yeah. And some of the alarmism, they're being accused of actually, well, they want regulations to basically so that they can create sort of the self-interviewed. I hear this argument a lot. And also, like, you know, to her point about about the video CEO, he's saying, oh, no, AI is good. And I have just the thing to police say. Exactly. It's called, century, what could go wrong. Maria Curie, thank you for talking about this. Always appreciate it. You're so chill while we discuss all of this. It's early. I believe it is early, girl. All right. I want to turn back to the breaking news because we're getting more information out of the Middle East, a passenger jet that was headed for Israel actually had to make an emergency stop, landed in Saudi Arabia. We'll see you soon.

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17:32the corporations, who have made so much of the healthy things we should be eating more expensive, but he didn't. He never was going to. Because he's bought off by the same exact corporations who have been buying our food space for a very long time. So can a Democrat win over the mega-created movement talking to the group chat here? Terry, can I start with you? I don't know if you're Maha, but I feel like your best friends might be Maha. And there has been some disappointment specifically on these issues. Ultra-processed food and pesticides, things that they felt like the administration has not made good on. Well, look, I am Maha. I think it's a very good movement. I want to make two points in why I don't think this effort is going to work for LCIED. One is Maha was primarily a response where it really blew up was in response to COVID and all the misinformation that our movement felt was being put out there. Now here's where it gets problematic for LCIED. He was one of the public health officials pushing all of the garbage near to his around COVID, including justifying the George Floyd riots and saying that those aren't your

18:33typical gatherings that should be regulated and that racism was the bigger problem compared to COVID. So it's just not going to work. I just want to say RFK, Jr. Well, can I play for you just some of the moms just so we have a sense of what they're angry about? Oh, no, I'm not that I don't trust you, but here's just a sample. Yeah. I am fricking pissed. Did President Trump just hand legal immunity to pesticide companies? It is the most enormous slap in the face to Maha and all that we've worked for. What happened to make America healthy again? RFK, where are you? I shouldn't have to be fighting my own country for my baby's health, but the EPA just green lit three new pesticides for our food. If we botch the pesticide stuff, beware of how these women vote in the midterms if they vote at all. And what I've heard is a lot of women saying I'm not even sure that I'm going to be voting because I'm so upset. I mean, Maha's maga branded, but Maha actually began the Democratic Party.

19:35RFK, Jr., you have to remember, ran as a Democrat in the 2024 presidential primary and eventually was driven out and then was running as an independent, sort of like the crunchy granola left. But it's an independent, single issue constituents. Well, which is why Abdullah Saed is going after them. And he's not alone either. Senator Cory Booker has done a ton of Maha really interesting. No, interesting. AOC has also been meeting privately with a lot of these activists. A lot of Democratic lawmakers do see that these voters are able to be one back after a lot of them did go for Trump in 2024. Yeah, it's giving shades of soccer mom from the past, right? The idea that there's a constituency of independent women, they have certain issues they're interested in. And if you fail them, you can face a backlash. So a couple interesting things. We don't see any criticism from the far left when Abdul Booker, AOC and others are meeting with those in the medical list. But we saw differently when it came to Jeffers. I just wanted to make that point for some folks who I know are watching this program. Is it Jeffers?

20:36Yeah. The second point I want to make, I'm a bit confused about what does make healthy, make America healthy, initiative is brought, let's be speaking to, because if we want to make America healthy, then we would not have put in place the largest cut to Medicaid in American history. We would not have cut snap benefits for families. We would not have cut jobs that regulate our food. So we have food recalls almost everything we can imagine. So we talk about broadly making America healthy. Part of that is provide insurance, research, and all these other things. Yeah, but that's helpful to know because that is not at all what the Maha movement is. It is not a broad, it is there's a narrow set of things that we think have to do with our health, or specifically our food infrastructure that has to do with contaminants. It is not, should there be health care. So what it means is if you don't make good on the promises, on your red dies, on your pesticides, on the things you said you are going to do, they are not going to turn around

21:42and talk about health insurance. What I think people mis-engined was how powerful big-ag and big pharmaceutical companies actually are. I know, I know. I know. That's what I'm saying. We're seeing this, these guys are smart, they know what they're doing, they have their financial means at stake here. But I think that you're seeing this in Iowa, exactly. Zack Lane is Maha all the way and he is failing to raise money from the traditional supporters that fund Republican campaigns. And it's because he's against big ag and he's against the big pharmaceutical agenda. I get the fact. We're just really quick. The microcosm of actually the debate that's been going on inside the Trump administration, RFK Jr. and Brooke Rollins over at the Department of Agriculture, they and their associates have repeatedly clashed on a number of policy issues which is why a lot of Maha people are disappointed because the Department of Agriculture and some of their allies in the White House have won, not every single time, but have won on a number of Qishis. I get on the surface level what the movement is supposed to be about but I'm thinking there's a logical person.

22:43If you care about the overall health of America, then all these things should be part of the conversation. And certainly we should be having a broad conversation about why we're seeing recall at the recall every single day because it actually bakes into the argument they're trying to make. We're cutting fraud and we're cutting illegals. Well, that's the point because that is one aspect that has surprised me. For a world of voters for whom food safety has been a singular obsession, the silence on the food recalls has been deafening and I didn't understand why they did not feel that that was an active issue. Look, it's such a politicized environment. It's hard to tell what's being... What does that do with food recalls, Chair? Because there's food recalls all the time. No, it's not. And if there's food recalls, it says that there was some safety mechanism. No, no, no. It's being fair. It's fair. It's fair. Let's... No, we're cutting Medicaid fraud. Let's be the reality of the food recalls. Let's do it. No, no. Food recalls on her Biden, is that the saying? It's 100 plus.

23:44I guarantee you there... Okay, if there are food recalls, it says that we have funding mechanisms in place to keep our food safe. I don't know what to tell you. They're happening because they cut the inspection, they cut the jobs. I don't know if that's true. I think what I'm trying to get at is when you have single issue constituencies, they can be disappointed. But when they are single issues constituencies, you can't pick and choose what issue they're obsessed with. Can you get me voters where they are? They have specific things they're interested in and I am very intrigued by the Democrats who are trying to appeal to them on those very, very narrow lanes. Straight ahead on CNN this morning, we want to turn to this news in Israel-bound flight, force to land in Saudi Arabia after what sources say was a violent incident between two pilots. Later on CNN, Six Flags says it will close a world famous roller coaster after CNN investigation. It's me, the...

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25:45Now a short time ago, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu actually tweeted, the incident is under control and all measures are currently being deployed in order to return the Israeli passengers safely to Israel. Now in Israeli sources, also telling CNN that the incident could be a terror attack attempt. So right now, we've got Mary Scavo, CNN transportation analyst and a former inspector general at the Transportation Department. It is not every day that I can break in with news and say the incident with a plane is something that happened inside the plane and possibly involving the pilots. Can you talk about what you are hearing or what you're interpreting as you see these reports? All right. Well, very alarming because this will call into question a lot of assumptions that the United States and the world has made about security since September 11, 2001. Israeli security on any aircraft, not just Israeli planes coming into Israel is usually very tight, but here we learned it was in the cockpit and that security often excludes

26:50pilots. They get a separate lane, a flight who have a separate lane at many international airports, but what we're hearing is the co-pilot slapped the pilot that the crew was a male and female crew. We don't know which was which. And then the altercation broke out. At first, the hijack code, alarm code was squawked and then an emergency code was squawked. So whatever it was, it was very serious. We're hearing that the injured pilot then came out of the cockpit and there were two other. There's the key word, plain closed pilots on board and they assisted in getting the plane back under control. It dove several thousand feet in two minutes far beyond the rate of descent and pilots, our passengers were very shaken up. So this will call in the question all kinds of security assumptions we make. And also, I think that Netanyahu will be explaining the two plain closed pilots on board, whether there was Israeli security on board, even though it was not an LL flight.

27:54So there are a lot of questions that really will help the world understand and brace if this is or was any attempt at any kind of terrorism. I want to play for you something. We're starting to hear out of the plane, meeting it's from some of the passengers. And I want to play for you. This is audio of a mother who is describing what her child went through, her adult child went through on this flight. The plane is out to lose control. So all the people, the scream, the things they are going after a few minutes to add up pilots, they took the schlitter, the control. Here Israeli, they run away to the guy he took a knife and tried to kill the pilots. They take his hand and put them on the floor. There was a lot of blood around.

28:59Again she's describing pretty viscerally what may have happened there. And can you again talk about the security aspect of this? What is this revealing? Well, what it's revealing is, you know, the assumptions that, you know, the crew are not going to have the same examination and security checkpoints around the world that passengers do now might be reevaluated, particularly in some parts of the world. And also in the United States, both before and after September 11, 2001, there was a call to for double barring of the door to have impenetrable bars to the door, a secondary barrier. You know, when I was in Spectra General, we were studying L.L. security, which this was not an L.L. flight, but L.L. security as the absolute gold standard they have much more security than we do. They might have had someone on this plane. We do not know. They do their own security off and it points around the world. But that will call that into question.

30:00Is this the best idea to let a flight crew bypass security? What would have happened here with the secondary barrier? How did one of the pilots get a knife on board? What was that security like? So there are so many questions that have to be answered. It answered very quickly and very correctly because often what we see our copycat attempts. When you have one terror attack, they will, other terrorists might, if this is that, now they are saying right now it may or may not be. Can I ask you one more thing? We have to get an answer soon. For the passengers, I'm hearing all of these numbers about what it was like to drop in elevation. Can you help me understand that in layman's terms? Yes, well, it's a very steep rate of descent. I mean, it best way to describe it is a drop. They would have at this rate actually been pulling some G's, people not with their belts buckled, would have been, you know, might have left their seats with this kind of a descent.

31:04It remains to be seen if passengers were injured and went flying from their seats, but this is quite a drop and they would have been thrown about the cabin from this, from this drop, dramatic drop. Okay, Mary, we'll be following up with you today again as we are learning more about that plane that was diverted to Saudi Arabia out of Israel. Next on CNN this morning, apparently, super intelligence has its limits. There are questions about the president's new chat pot, well, questions that won't answer. Plus, I don't think you know that we have this stuff. So I'll give you a second to process it so you don't, you know, purge yourself. A Gacha moment falls flat. Now, Missouri Senator Eric Schmidt is doubling down on his Jack Smith trap. This podcast is supported by Anthropic, the public benefit corporation behind Claude. Everyone's got a hard question about AI.

32:05Anthropic was built to surface those questions and share what it finds along the way because there's hope in hard questions. Ask yours at Claude.ai slash Spotify and keep thinking. That's Claude.ai slash Spotify. Okay, there is a new chat bot that the White House has launched. Here it is. You know what? It's damn, it's damn good. With American.gov for the first time in history, government is offering an experience that matches and in some ways even exceeds the state of the art. So let's say you want to use this chat bot to do a little fact checking. Our team tested some of the president's claims starting with what he's talked about in the past the 2020 election. So we asked, did Donald Trump win the 2020 election? Well, America.gov chat bot said no. Official electoral college votes show Joseph are Biden Jr won the 2020 presidential election.

33:09So then like, look, we followed up. We said, was there widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election? The response from America.gov is official investigations and audits did not find evidence of widespread voter fraud. The chat bot also told us, quote, I do not give political commentary. So what happens when a tool built by the government keeps challenging the president's version of the facts? Group chat is back. I'm almost less worried the answer it gave than will that answer change in two months once the White House realizes what it's saying? I think it would take two months for Donald Trump to find out. You know there's some generous, right? So it's me running an apprent of the set or a clip of the segment showing him that, you know, his own government is constricting himself. But there's also in some ways an argument for AI over true social in terms of where you can get some reliable facts. Look, I just find this whole thing annoying. Hey, guac, is this twu? Like, those are the most annoying people on Twitter. I will say that, you know, if you're a good journalist, we all know that FOIAs and talking

34:10to people in person is actually the much more verifiable way to find information. And just because it's not on the internet doesn't mean it didn't happen. And that's the shortcoming for you. I think we're just flagging it because it's a government tool. He's saying, like, look, this is something that you can trust. This is something that I think will be helpful to you. And it is helpful to us. And I was at the event yesterday, okay? And what I think is missing by talking about this chatbot that, you know, is disagreeing with Trump is this new government website seems pretty cool. You're eventually going to be able to go to America.gov and say, I need a new passport. And it's going to walk you through and actually get you all signed up. I need my baby boy son, Charlie, that was just born. I need to get a replacement social security card. Wait, you have another child? No, no, no, no. Okay, I'm like, oh my god. I understand the misunderstanding. Yes, number nine, okay. This is a cool website. And that's what should be advertised and told to the American people. I just think this is a cheap story. Okay. Well, not a cheap story because you have people running for office to represent the American people who are saying one thing and then this government trusted website is saying another.

35:12And this is why people lose trust in the government. The website saying what you believe in. No, I know that. I know that. But what I'm saying is, no, listen to what I'm saying. If you have the president, if you have a group of people who support it, who voted for the first time or just cult followers of this man saying the election was rigged, he won the election. The website saying one thing, those people are going to fundamentally believe that somehow another, the government rigged this website and they are against Donald Trump because he's Donald Trump. All right. I think that's an apple pie is discounting what the government said. Like, I mean, it's the most American thing you can possibly do. Okay. Well, thanks. You ruined my day. All right. Let me go on to. You believe Trump won the election? Yeah. I think there were some irregularities. I don't know exactly. So you fundamentally don't drop one in 2020 election. I don't know. I think there's a lot of questions that we had answered. Well, we do know that American.gov doesn't believe that. It's if a average is the type said in, it's a great tool. Everything's solved.

36:13So let's talk about what happens when AI goes wrong and you don't actually check any of your facts. Where did this come up? Jack Smith, hearing, stay with me, who's back in front of Congress and he brought, of course, two indictments against Donald Trump in 2023. And since then, Republicans have really struggled to satisfy the president's desire to have him criminally charged and have Smith criminally charged. So I want you to listen to this exchange with Republican Senator Eric Schmidt of Missouri, which happened during the hearing. So he's going into it, thinking that he's showing evidence that proves that Smith committed perjury and then like things one sideways. Here you go. What would you say if I had a series of text messages from your team that said you were in Atlanta at a warrior hawks game on February 3rd, 2024, the day after Willis and Wade announced their affair? I don't think you know that we have this stuff. So I'll give you a second to process it so you don't perjure yourself.

37:16You just took it down really quick if I could look at that again? I recall going to a university of Maryland basketball game where Caitlin Clark was playing, was Maryland playing Iowa. I think February of 2024, but again, you can check that out if that's what we're talking about. University of Iowa. Is it the hawk ice? Yes. Could it then be that university of Iowa's the hawk ice? Could that be it? Okay. So for those of you who are not sports fanatics, I'm going to help you out. I'm going to show you an image. One is a hawk eye. One is a hawk. And the problem is, Jack Smith was not at the game in question or texting about it or any of the things that Schmidt was trying to imply and attempting to tie him to Fanny Willis and other people in Atlanta. I mean, there's political theater, which this hearing had a lot of and there's political amateur theater, which is what this was an example of. And you know, if you're going to, you also didn't even show it. He called him, I think, a dirt bag in that hearing and there's a lot of name calling

38:21and there's a lot of name calling and about something that was old. And, you know, there was a lot of theatrics here underlying there are some significant questions about, you know, how far, you know, especially prosecutor can go, especially when they're investigating Congress and subpoenaing phone records and members of Congress. But that got very little play and the only thing that will likely, you know, and Eric Schmidt, the Republican Senator there, you know, he had been talking up how close he was with the Vance and, you know, maybe even like positioning himself with, you know, as a VP candidate or, you know, an advanced administration, but, you know, that sort of faceplant moment will probably make that a little bit more difficult. He was actually asked about it because like I said, he didn't just say, were you here on this date? Also, you know, he started name calling at the end of it, which was a vibe. Afterwards, people were like, should you apologise? And here's what he said. Will you admit that you just mixed up the basketball games? Who knew Jack Smith was a Caitlin Clark fan?

39:21I mean, I would guess that a white man basketball fan is a fan of Caitlin Clark. I don't think that's such a stretch, but that's not an apology. And if you step on a rake, own it. Well, look, I think he's handling it just fine with humor. We make mistakes, but here's the thing, Audie. We have a guy in Jack Smith that was spying on their political opposition. Like, this makes watergate look like a joke. Why not actually have a fact that supports that? And this is the thing that people are struggling with. Are you not able to criminally charge Jack Smith because you do not have facts to support it? And the ones that you are using are not true. Well, I look at that problem. Is that part of these hearings? Is that part of these hearings? Is that part of these hearings? Is that part of these hearings? Is that part of these hearings? I think so. I think we're finding out more. I think also it's putting the stuff. What's the other thing you didn't know yesterday that you know now? The severity of how deep it went. I mean, there were, how many Senate U.S. senators were spied upon. And also, I didn't know that there were that many Democrats that were having their text

40:22messages checked by him and investigated. So I don't know. I think there was, there's got to be a lot of evidence. Well, let me let it go. If Jack Smith did something wrong, Donald Trump's DOJ or FBI, whoever, would have fully prosecuted him, would have brought him to the... I mean, I don't know if I believe that. Who's the Jack Smith of the Trump administration? We don't have one. You're not being serious, is you? All of the indictments and a temset indictment. So I think what Antoine is saying... Like it's Somalian fraudsters. There was actual, they would try. You're implying they wouldn't try. Look at the decision. I'm saying, look at Trump. Trump campaigned in 2016 and he campaigned on locker-up and he gets elected and he goes, guys, you know, let's move on, let's heal our country. Terry, Terry. He doesn't go after Terry. You're Hillary Clinton. Terry, you're being unsearched this morning. All I'm saying to you is, in this iteration of Trump, if Jack Smith did anything close to being wrong, they would have taken him to the polls by now. Okay, so why hasn't Trump taken any action on the auto-pen? Look, this is one of the criticisms of the Trump administration by the bigs.

41:24Because he didn't have them been to prosecutions. Because he uses the auto-pen. He can't take action on something that he does himself. No, it's, yes, exactly. Now we've created a new bad precedent. You don't even make sense what you're saying, Terry. I do have it. You have. Because what I'm saying is Trump is actually pretty merciful. He doesn't actually score a settlement. Believe that. When he has had a revenge towards the Jack Smith from Trump. It doesn't matter. He has the Robert Mueller. Where's the Russia, Russia, Russia? Do you see the Georgia? The OJ. And you see what they've done? Do you see who's in the Georgia? I'm telling you that Trump is not about settling political scores for better or worse. Wait, you are a more aggressive one. No one will believe it. Right, let me pause. It sounds like what you're saying is Trump is not effective at settling political scores. We know he is very good at them because he talks about them constantly. The question is, what do you mean by effective? And we know there's been changes at the top of the Justice Department as a result of that definition. We're going to start with group chats because I got to get out of this conversation, which is about something that happened years ago. Antoine. The president announced this week that certain degree programs would not be funded by federal loans.

42:31Here's the impact on that majority of those degree area programs and the jobs that direct result of them are jobs that women hold. Yeah, we've heard. Yeah. In real time. And a lot of those are jobs that people in my family hold. And so we think about- What kind of areas do you remember? So there's some things like cosmology. There are things like teacher assistance. Those are special ed. Those are jobs that are really, really critical to the ecosystem, to the community that I think are going to have real implications on how people govern and how people live financially. Okay. I think it's sick. Terry. So Derrick Thompson has a great sub-stack out this week. Where he's talking about the decline of Americans hosting events at their homes. I saw that. And it's down significantly. The art dinner parties. Yeah. Big if true. I think that stood out. So my goddaughter, Zelly, she watches the show every Wednesday at 6am. And it's her baptismal anniversary, actually.

43:31And we have these awesome parties, obviously the punk rock baptism. But we get together. And it's like the breakdown of the family is causing us to get together a lot less. And also these apps. He points out that these apps are easier to do than these family get together and dinner. I'm just about to say I think apps more than the like sentence caps breaks down of the entire family. But to your point, fewer people getting together and we know that is surfacing in so many ways. No winner. We've heard about it in dating and meetups and things like that. So I'm kind of not surprised. But y'all call a friend and have dinner. Okay. Because it is fat bear week. You are the second person to bring up fat bear. Well, but there is a winner that was announced just last night. It is name is backpack up in Alaska. The interior department called him the Lord of Lard, the Earl of Earth, the Commander in Beef. Yeah. I mean, that looks like a fatty pack, but sure. Yeah. Okay. I'm glad you brought that news to me because I was wondering how it would all end.

44:32Well, there were 2.5 million votes and he only won by 5,000. Close election. Yeah, very close. Close election. You stopped the steal. Very serious. Very close. I'm glad you brought that. Thank you for being with us. Stay with us. I feel. Do you think anyone here knows what you're talking about? Nope. Have I got news for you now streaming on the CNN app.