US military execution to be livestreamed

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1:01And in the early hours of Friday the 9th of October, these are our main stories. The Pentagon says it will live stream the firing squad execution of a former army officer convicted of a mass shooting on a US military base. In South Africa, there have been more violent, anti-immigrant protests across the country. Britain's former Prince Andrew wins his claim against the police over their raids on his homes. Also in this podcast. Jean-Refined doesn't really get close to it. She's just destroying it. I mean, there are no formal borders in her work. The Canadian poet and writer Anne Carson wins the Nobel Prize for Literature. And what can a 194-year-old tortoise tell us about living a long life? The execution of Nidale Hassan in the United States, which is due to happen in December, was already unprecedented.

2:01It would be the first military execution by firing squad of a soldier since the end of the Second World War. And the last execution in public in the US was in 1936. Now, the US Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has decided to go further by announcing that the execution will be live streamed. Hassan, a former army psychiatrist, shot at 13 unarmed US soldiers at the Fort Hood military base in Texas in 2009. He later said he was retaliating for America's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Mr Hegseth explained why the execution would be at Fort Hood. Army Major betrays his country. Radical Islam is kills a bunch of Americans at Fort Hood. Of course, we're going to do it at Fort Hood. We're going to do it on a Thursday. We're going to do it at 1 o'clock, which is when he did it. It's going to be soldiers with rifles executing the firing squad. He hadn't been since World War II since we've done that. Well, I kind of like the mentality we had in World War II, which was when, which was, uh, understand when the enemy attacks you, you, you, you stand your ground.

3:04I heard more from Daniel Lippman, who is a White House reporter from the website, Politico. This would be the first live streamed public execution of anyone in American history. Usually these things are behind closed doors, but Hegseth has made a very important in his view, significant decision to make the military more macho. He has said that the adjustification is that it would be a kind of a deterrent factor where people who would otherwise think to do this might get turned off from doing such an act in the future. Of course, the logical counterpoint to that would be people who are shooting up army bases with a dozen soldiers that they're killing. They are not of sound mind. So they're not making a logical calculation there. But Hegseth got this approved by Trump. And I think, you know, he is very in tune with the White House to try to please Trump and satisfy his desires.

4:06The US others are normally critical of other countries, which hold public executions. Why is this different? Yet Trump has actually criticized the Iranian government for public executions even a couple months ago. He was saying that he was urging the Iranian government to not execute any of the protesters. And so obviously there's no question that this man committed this heinous act. But I should caveat this that this may not even come to pass in December because Nidal Hassan may appeal this verdict, this decision. And in America, these court battles last for a very long time. And so it could stretch into a future administration, which would not want to execute and buy firing squad or buy live stream. What's the American public going to make of these? Would it be popular? I'm sure that there'd be some people who would want to watch it. I don't think the American news channels will carry it live. They're the CNN and MSNows of America.

5:08But for a lot of Trump's base, it's young men who watch ultimate fighting championship, who liked seeing the UFC fight on the White House grounds. And so those people are very online. And I'm sure that this would get a good viewing, but kind of satisfy the bloodlust of some Americans. But I don't think this is going to win many votes for Trump in November because people who are raw, raw about this, they would be voting for Trump anyway. And this might turn off some of his the more moderate people who would say that this is not proper. Last question. Is there an element of just putting out a story like this in order that this becomes top of the news rather than some other things which are going on in the United States at present? That's definitely one idea where it's better for in their view to be talking about this than the economy or gas prices or how the US may strike Iran again after the midterm elections. So you have to kind of view the term administration as this is a almost like a

6:12reality show where every day there's a new episode and they want to have a new story that creates more attention. And they've been dogged this week by two of their top campaign operatives who went to the Balkans to work for a pro-Russian government. And they did not want that story out there. And so was not helping them. So this might change the narrative for a little bit. Daniel Lippmann from Politico. Tensions between South Africans and migrants from other countries have escalated. Cars were set on fire in Soweto in Johannesburg and at the Port City of Durban where shops owned by foreigners were targeted. Similar scenes were also witnessed in Cape Town and the Eastern Cape Richard Hamilton reports. More than a dozen cars were set to light in Soweto after protests erupted into violence. Police dispersed protesters who'd stormed a refugee centre were hundreds of asylum seekers had gathered to lodge appeals.

7:14It followed a ruling in July by the constitutional court requiring the government to resume processing asylum applications. The clashes follow months of tensions with demonstrators demanding the deportation of foreigners living in South Africa illegally. In Durban, riot police were deployed to the city centre after reports that shops owned by foreign nationals were looted. Sepo and Posula is a community leader there. The disappointment, actually, it is directed at this government. The government that does not listen to these people. People have been complaining about the influx of foreigners in the kind of cases. And the government instead of addressing the problem, you know, now there was this foot judgment. And you'll remember that there was 600 million that were spent to money to South Africans instead of addressing the issue of illegal migration. But the government said the violence was triggered by people spreading

8:15deliberately false information about the court ruling. It said the judgment did not automatically grant refugee status or permanent independence to undocumented migrants. In South Africa, migrants are often blamed for taking jobs, fueling crime and putting a strain on public services. Claims that social scientists say are not supported by evidence. Three decades since the end of a part eight, the country remains deeply unequal with about a third of the population out of work. Despite this, it remains Africa's largest economy and continues to attract workers from other parts of the continent. Richard Hamilton. British police investigating the King's brother Andrew Mountbatten, Windsor have accepted that the warrants they used to search his homes earlier this year were unlawful. He was arrested by officers in February on suspicion of misconduct in public office after which he launched a challenge over the legality of the warrants.

9:19The investigation and connection with his links to the late sex offender, Jeffrey Epstein is ongoing. The former prince has always denied any wrongdoing. Our correspondent Lucy Manning was in court and has this report. On the 19th of February, his 66th birthday, Andrew Mountbatten Windsor was arrested very publicly on suspicion of misconduct in public office. In the full glare of the media, Tems Valley police searched the King's brother's home at Sanjum and his former address, the Royal Lodge at Windsor. But at the high court, it was revealed that in July, Tems Valley police had accepted that the search warrants they had applied for and that an old Bailey judge had granted weren't lawful. The judge in this hearing, Mr Justice Hilliard, who wasn't involved in granting the original warrants, said a significant error had been made in the application and granting of the warrants. They were found to be unlawful because confidential business material may have

10:21been gathered during the searches and that wasn't legally covered by the warrants issued. Nick Vamos is the former head of special crime at the Crown Prosecution Service. It's not actually that unusual in these kind of cases. The police don't have a great record of applying for search warrants. They often make mistakes. But this should have gone under so many noses before it went to court that it's really amazing that they still managed to make a basic error. The police were reviewed several years ago and they changed their processes and it's embarrassing that they're still getting things wrong. Tems Valley police agreed the warrants had been issued incorrectly by the court, but they still want to use the evidence gathered and have applied to the court to lawfully do so. Andrew Matt Baton-Winzer opposes that in a statement, the force says it's inquiries into him remain ongoing. And Mr Justice Hilliard said the fact that the search warrants had been quashed didn't bring the investigation to an end or mean the whole of the

11:23investigation was unlawful. Joshua Rosenberg is a legal expert and says the police can apply under another part of the law to retain the evidence. The investigation continues. The police have not had to give back the material they see. These written material, electronic material, we don't know the details of it. The reason for that is they can go back to court and say we should have been able to get this under section nine. We should have been entitled to this material. We want to hang on to it until you sort it out. That's going to take some time in the meantime. They hang on to it and the investigation continues. Andrew Matt Baton-Winzer has always denied any wrongdoing in relation to Jeffrey Epstein. He has won this court victory, but his legal battle continues. Lucy Manning. The Canadian poet, writer and translator Anne Carson has won this year's Nobel Prize for Literature. The 76 year old who's written more than 20 books was praised for her bold and

12:24inventive work. She's been living in Iceland for several years and on Thursday, the country's national broadcaster, RUV, stopped her on a windy hillside and asked for her reaction to winning the prize. Crazy. I think they're all crazy. Well, you know, crazy. Did you know beforehand or when did you receive the news yourself just now? I mean, yeah, right now you are on a call with the people from the Nobel Committee. Yes. What was the conversation like? Same as this, rather halting. They have, yeah, the usual questions and I have no answers. Do you think this is an anyway changes your your readership? Well, I guess the publisher hopes so. Perhaps her most famous work is the novel autobiography of red. It recasts the Greek myth of Garyon, the red-winged monster killed by Heracles, as the tale of a modern teenage boy dealing with heartbreak and desire.

13:28Here's an extract read by Simon Russell Beale. It was 7 a.m. Total agitation possessed him. He had held off earning Heracles for two days. Even now he was not looking at the telephone, which he placed in the bottom of his sock drawer. He was not thinking about the two of them in their hotel room on the other side of Plaza de Mayo. He was not remembering how Heracles like to make love early in the morning like a sleepy bear taking the lid off a jar of honey. To reflect on Anne Carson's body of work and its impact, Jane Hill spoke to Alice Spawes, the co-editor of the London Review of Books, which has been publishing her work for the last 25 years. We're absolutely delighted. I mean, you know, these prizes come round every year and it's always exciting to see who the book is, favorite is and to see who wins, but this is one of those years where I think a number of people are extremely happy with the decision. And I mean, such an extraordinary range and an extraordinary body of work.

14:30So hard to summarize, I guess, but you are the person to do it. What makes her so special? What stands out in her work for you? Well, where to begin? I mean, Jean-Rodifying doesn't really get close to it. She's Jean-Rodestroying. I mean, there are no sort of formal borders in her work. There's a lot of recognizable poetry, but there's every other sort of form. And nearly always you'll find that she's subverting something. So any expectations that we bring to an end-class and peace, whether it looks like a poem or a play or something else entirely, we're going to have them upset at some point for sure. I mean, she makes the classics hugely accessible, doesn't she? She does. And that has been her life's work as a class assistant, a professor of Greek. But she goes beyond that as well, because I really think she's a reader of world literature. She reads Chinese, Japanese, other poetry and translations. She's engaged with European philosophy with all sorts of literature.

15:30So although the classics obviously speak in a very deep way to her and through her, I think she's kind of universalist in her attitude. And in the same spirit, we'll pick up a scrap of paper with a few words on it that she sees on the street and do something magical without just as she can with Homer. Goodness. I mean, for anyone who hasn't read her work, do you have recommendations as to a great place to start or perhaps your own personal favourites? Well, I think one of the great things is you can't really go wrong because there is something so down to us and unpretentious in everything she's written that if you're anxious about engaging with something very complicated and classical, you needn't fear. But I have a soft spot myself for her sonets. Her Duchamp's sonnet and her Gertrude's dying sonnet, which are just marvellous and her introductions to her sword and her engagement with the world, which can take the high in the low and make a place for them in poetry. And just the way she responded how she's been telling journalists,

16:31oh, I was just sweeping the kitchen floor when I found out. I mean, that's someone who sounds quite down to earth to me. She certainly is. And I don't think, you know, she's not necessarily someone who wants the attention of a major prize, but for all of those who've been championing and admiring her work for so long, certainly well deserved. Alice, Spall speaking to Jane Hill. Still to come in this podcast. This is Rory, which one thing do movies always get wrong about space over? Good question, Rory. I would say how easy everything is. Nothing up here is easy. Everything is hard. The Scottish children speaking to the astronauts on the International Space Station, as they pass overhead. With the new Schwab teen investor account, teens can gain hands on investing experience and build positive money habits. It's an account co-owned by you and your teen, so you can monitor and engage with the account while your teen learns how to invest and manage money.

17:34Learn more at Schwab.com. Support comes from wise, the smart way to manage the currencies you need around the globe. Fed up with losing out to hidden fees when you send money abroad with your money. Choose the smart way. Wise. You can count on the exchange rate you'd usually find on Google. No one welcomes surprises. Plus, ditch that where's my money feeling? Most transfers arrive in under 20 seconds. Join millions, saving billions on hidden fees. Be smart. Get wise. Download the Wise app today. Teasing sees apply. This is the first time you've ever seen a new company. This is the Global News Podcast. The technology giant Microsoft has become the latest company to be suspended from a key visa program that allows skilled foreign workers to get permanent residence status in America. Announcing the government's decision, the US Vice President, JD Vance, accused Microsoft of abusing the system and giving away American jobs.

18:38Microsoft laid off last year 6,000 American workers. At the same time, the company benefited from 6,300 H1B visas and almost 3,000 green cards. In other words, if you do the math for every worker that Microsoft laid off, they replaced that worker with one and a half foreign indentured servants. Now, that is a scandal system that we've allowed in this country for far too long. But thanks to the work of this task force and thanks to the empowerment of the President of the United States, we're going to stop it. We have decided to suspend the perm program for Microsoft, which means they'll no longer be able to take those H1Bs and apply for permanent residence status within the United States of America. Microsoft says most of the relevant visa applications in the last fiscal year were for existing employees rather than to hire new workers. North America correspondent Daniel Bush told me more. Vice President JD Vance made the announcement for the Trump administration that Microsoft and other companies are abusing green card programs.

19:38The H1B visa and J1 visa programs in particular. These are programs that allow companies to recruit foreign workers and international students for highly specialized fields, such as technology, engineering, and others. This is part of a longstanding argument by the Trump administration that these jobs should be going to American workers. But supporters of these programs argue that they actually grow the U.S. economy and allow companies like Microsoft and others to fill these highly skilled jobs. Yeah, because Mr. Vance is suggesting that Microsoft laid off about 6000 U.S. workers hired a similar number from overseas. But as you said, highly specialized just because it laid some off. It doesn't mean that the people at hired are doing exactly the same thing or could do exactly the same thing. That's exactly right. In fact, in a statement, Microsoft pushed back on the administration, said it would provide more information on its H1B visa hires. But the company said that the vast majority of the thousands of employees that hired through this program in the last fiscal year were not new hires.

20:40These were extensions of existing jobs. This announcement, of course, came just hours before President Trump awarded a prestigious medal to the Microsoft CEO. So awkward politics there. And of course, it also comes just a month or so before an election where the administration and Republicans running for Congress are trying to defend their immigration agenda, including numerous different restrictions to people trying to enter the United States legally. Yeah, as you've kind of hinted that there's presumably an awful lot of politics going on here with immigration being a very big political issue. That's right. And the administration now has argued for months that these visas are being abused by these companies that they're bad for the American economy. And it fits into the argument by President Trump by JD Vance that this America first agenda is intended to boost the American economy. By prioritizing US workers and by trying to ensure that those jobs do not go to people coming from overseas. And it remains to be seen whether voters will buy it and certainly polls show that although some Republicans still remain very supportive of President Trump's immigration agenda,

21:42it has lost a lot of support with Democrats and with some independent voters as well. Isn't this enormously expensive for companies to hire workers through these schemes? Now, presumably they don't do it. And as they really need to because of the cost. That's right. It's costly. It's a time-consuming process. These are very highly specialized visa programs intended to recruit specific workers in science, technology, engineering jobs that these companies say are difficult to fill with those high skilled workers inside the United States. So companies like Microsoft spend years building these programs up going through the work of the visa application process on behalf of these job recruits. So it's something that they invest a lot in and will likely push back as Microsoft already has an administration to try and keep these visas in place. Daniel Bush in Washington. Formula One is a multi-billion dollar business and nations battle over the right to hold the motorsport races. But for the last 33 years, there have been no Formula One races on the African continent at all.

22:44The last one took place in South Africa in the early 1990s. Several nations, including Nigeria, Morocco and South Africa have been bidding to bring the race back. But it looks like it will be Rwanda that joins the Formula One calendar in 2030. Africa sports correspondent Isaiah Akinrimi told Nick Miles what seems to have raised Rwanda's bid above the competition. It's been confirmed that Rwanda will be ostinous from a Lwanda race. And I think the reason why Rwanda was giving the nod is it looks like this country should enter strategy. You know, it has pursued for years because the Rwandan government have been using major international sporting events to change perceptions of the country and promote Kigali as a destination for tourism. So you know, they are bringing sports into the country, you know, trying to sell, you know, the tourism sector bring about international event and investment. And Rwanda hosted the FIA General Assembly and I was in Kigali, which had a Formula One.

23:51Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the BBC sports Africa team in Okovar in 2024, you know, which shows they are really interested in bringing them F12 Rwanda. And I think that's us giving them the edge over the legs of South Africa to be giving this all still right. Now Rwanda is a relatively small country, particularly compared to South Africa. Is there confidence? Do you think that it has the right infrastructure and the clout to host such a prestigious event? Yes, most of sports is really significant. For the first time also, the world cycling championship came to the continent of Africa last year, which are Rwanda hosted. And you know, we've seen Rwanda trying to build a new track to be able to give them this opportunity to shoot to the old world that know the Cuda, Osta, the F1. And we've seen the likes of former champion, Louis Armitton and Mark Vestappen, backing the African continent during that award and showing interest that it's time for Africa to host F1 again. And with what you know, we've seen with Rwanda, they've been able to do with their partnership with big replant clubs like Arsenal, Paris Saint-Germain.

24:55So you know, it shows that this country looks ready to bring the second back to Africa after more than three decades. You talked about Rwanda trying to change perceptions about that country. Many people might see it as sports washing because Rwanda has a controversial reputation, accusations of human rights abuses, suppression of opposition groups. So this would be a controversial decision for it to host Formula One. Of course, it would be controversial. The critics now really come out at Rwanda. The last time we know they had a碰 so she would ask now, lots of people believe, you know, this is sports washing, you know, like you rightly said, deflecting the human rights issues that surround the country and their beliefs and opportunity to deflect this negative remarks. BBC's Africa Sports correspondent, Isaiah Ackon-Remy. When Jonathan, the giant tortoise, originally hatched from his egg, the naturalist Charles Darwin was still a young man and Britain's future queen Victoria was a teenager.

25:56Scientists were yet to establish that Germans caused diseases and the discovery of the structure of DNA was more than a century away. But at the ripe old age of 194, Jonathan is still plotting along on the lawn of the governor's house on the remote South Atlantic Island of St Helena. Researchers now believe the world's oldest living land animal could potentially also help humans to live longer lives. Here's some archive footage of a BBC Radio program about the island in which the resident Vett Joe Hollins introduces us to Jonathan. I'm just walking down through the paddock now, a useful day and sometimes I can't find Jonathan immediately because he tends to tuck himself away. And I think this is him down here. Here he is. Big old fella. A £300 pound crusty old reptile. I'm very, very fond of.

26:57He's already coming towards me because he knows that I mean food. My fella. Here you go. He's tucking into some cabbage here. Very fleshy, almost mammalian tongue and a long reptilian neck. Very much like a snake. It's thought that one of the secrets to Jonathan's extreme longevity is what's known as myto-condria. That's part of a cell that is responsible for providing living creatures with energy. Stephen Clark is the senior researcher on the project, which has been studying Jonathan's DNA. He told Owen Bennett Jones first how we know the age of the tortoise. There was a photograph that was taken back in 1882 that we were being able to validate in that photograph. He was fully grown. So we've been able to estimate his hatch date. I thought you're going to tell me it was like a tree with rings, but it isn't like that. It's just very lucky that you got the evidence in this case. Yeah, we're very lucky in that regard because if you didn't have a photograph, we wouldn't be able to really place a stage.

28:01Okay, and you've examined this tortoise's genetic code. What did you find? We found the normal corporates that we expect that he had lots of mutations and genes in pathway, but the thing that was kind of most surprising for us is it looks like he's kept his mitochondria. The organelles in the cells that produce energy is kept those really young. They're comparable to a five-year-old tortoise. So he's got brilliant myto-condria and those are the cells that have enabled him to live long. So they just haven't degenerated, is that what you're saying? That's right. When you look at the rest of his genes, they look very old. But when you look at the mitochondrial genes, they're very pristine and very similar to the five-year-old tortoise sweet compared to you. So why would that happen? That's the million-dollar question, right? That's part of the next step. I'm trying to figure out why. Are you aware of any other sort of experiment that has discovered that an aged animal, including humans, has got well-preserved myto-condria? No, but we've noticed over time in humans that mitochondrial dysfunction happens. So we've known that there's a decline in function of the mitochondria with age in humans. Good luck to the tortoise, of course, but the hope will be that this could help humans live longer.

29:04Is that the idea? That's right. So the next part of our nonprofit is to look for targets to go after. And in this case, go after the mitochondria and see if we can make even mitochondria younger. Reptile expert, Stephen Clark. In any schools around the world, it's common for people with interesting careers to be invited in to tell the kids about what they do. But for one type of job, coming in to inspire the kids is not an option. So astronaut Joshua Kutrick was beamed in from the International Space Station when he was over the town of Wick in the very north of Scotland. He was within range for just 10 minutes. And the children were able to ask him questions as he hurtled at 27,500 kilometres an hour above their heads. Here's some of their conversation. This is Rory. What's one thing do movies always get wrong about space over? Good question, Rory. I would say how easy everything is. Nothing up here is easy. Everything is hard.

30:04Even brushing your teeth. They gloss over a lot of the small points. This is Florence. How does the food taste in space compared to here on Earth over? Florence, because the microgravity affects your sinuses, everything tastes a little bit different. Sometimes good, sometimes bad. For me, I love coffee on planet Earth, but up here it tastes a little bit different. It doesn't taste quite like coffee to me and that's causing me to not drink so much. Vess's Fogas, what experiment were you most excited to work on over? I'm working on a lot of experiments that are designed to enable astronauts to live in space for longer periods of time. So someday, maybe on the moon for, say, a year. But we have a lot of science. We have to figure out first and that's some of what we're working on up here that I enjoy over. This is Isabella. Do astronauts get, species like getting car sick over? Isabella, great question. We typically get sick at the start of the mission as we adapt to microgravity.

31:05So it's like a couple of days that basically being car sick over. Just show a kutra getting a gentle grilling from pupils from WIC high school in Scotland. Before we go. Hello, I'm Celia Hatten, one of the presenters of the Global News podcast. And I'm coming to you with a little request. Next week, we're making a special edition of the podcast along with the America team. And we're going to be looking at unusual US election vocabulary, the words and phrases that seem to pop up around election time, terms like purple state or stump speech. If you have any words or phrases you'd like to add to our list, please send them over to us in an email or a voice message. It's the usual address global podcast at BBC dot co dot UK. Thanks and bye bye. And that's all from us for now. If you want to get in touch, you can email us at global podcast at BBC dot CEO dot UK.

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