UPGRADE: Alabama Offensive Line Shines as Jackson Lloyd and Michael Carroll DOMINATE Early Season

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2:04But one thing that I thought was interesting, there was a guy who is a former Penn State offensive lineman. His name is, is it Landon Tingwill? I think that's right or close enough. But yeah. Well, he gives a break. I know of him. He gives a break now. Film study. Everybody's got podcasts these days. And he gives a film study on Alabama's offensive line. And he's like, hey, these dudes are making it happen. And okay, I understand that some people are upset, including me about things like early in the game when E.J. Krawel gets tackled behind a lot of scrimmage. But it was really more about one little tiny thing. And that could have been a huge play. And what you see things like that. And once you can, you know, accept the fact that, hey, these guys are going to still make mistakes.

3:08All of a sudden, you feel a lot better about where this whole thing is right now. Yeah, the units really improved. And, or we should say through three games, they're improved. But you don't really know until you play some elite teams. And Alabama's played a couple of good teams. Kentucky's pretty good. Florida State's got some guys. But it's about to get much tougher. But so far, so good. And the way I look, I know some people are going to just focus on the coaching upgrade. And I don't deny that. I mean, I'm very impressed with Adrian Klem and have been since he arrived. Based on everything I've heard from inside the program to what we're seeing on the field. I think Adrian Klem deserves a ton of credit. We deserve a lot of credit to board us for hiring him. And then Klem for producing. So yeah, I do believe we've upgraded there at offensive line coach. But I'm more about the the Jimmy's in the Joe's than the X's and O's. And I think look at Jackson Lloyd at left tackle.

4:08He's not the physical presence that Kaden Proctor was. But per pro football focus, he's like the third highest graded left tackle in the country. So he's grading out really similar to how Kaden Proctor graded out playing the position. Center, that was a huge loss for us Parker Brailsford went to the NFL. But you know, he wasn't so much a physical presence. He was really more of a experienced technician. That's why he was a fifth round pick. And we've replaced him with what an experienced technician sure not experienced at the FBS level. But racing dogaties a red shirt junior played quite a bit of football has played I think 1200 snaps before he ever got to Alabama. He's he's adjusting pretty well. I think the revelation has been a right tackle. Javin James. Pro football focus has him graded out as the second best right tackle the college football. And this is a guy who at last year Mississippi State playing a left tackle. He struggled quite a bit.

5:08It wasn't always great. There was a lot of questions about how good he was so far. He's been great. Just an excellent example of the coaching he's getting at Alabama. The work in the weight room with David blue and his crew have really improved that kid. Now to say nothing of fact, you have an all American candidate guard. In Michael Carroll. Literally in all American candidate. Last year at guard, Alabama featured mostly due to injury. Two red shirt seniors who neither of whom were drafted. Michael Carroll will be a first round pick when it comes his time. And he's at one guard spot. The other guard spots being taken by William Sanders, who's coming back from injury. He's the one that's got to I think improve. And he will as he knocks off this rust from missing so much time. He missed the entirety of the spring. Much of the summer coming back from surgery. So he wasn't able to work out with this team. What and able to practice all that time missed all that time.

6:10So he's still knocking off the rust. But there's a reason he's out there not even at 100% because that's how good they think he is. So I look at the personnel. The personnel is better than expected. And they're getting a lot better coaching. Well speaking of golf is one and not for nothing. Chris Booker no longer with the team. It debor left it rather open ended and definitive at the same time. It doesn't feel like he's going to be back. I mean, yes, if this happens and that happens and then this and that happen. But it doesn't feel good about his potential return to the team. I would call it I mean, de boarded use these words. But I would call it indefinite suspension. And what that means is he's not forever removed. But he's gone for an unspecified period of time. And my experience this probably means he's going to end up somewhere else. And that's fine.

7:10As a matter of fact, I mean, I appreciate that even though this is a talented true freshman. I appreciate that de board set rules and these are the rules. And when they're not followed, you can't be here. And that's the sort of thing that fixes locker rooms. And by the way, I'm understanding this is still a good kid. He didn't do anything, anything against the law. Just typical violations of team rules. Okay, well, I do hate it because I was excited about him. But you know, I at the same time, I love what de board is doing. Shout out to Ron Fowler, who has a radio show in Tuscaloosa. He does a great job. I listen to it when I can. I'm much more of a shouldn't for a guy. So I listen to a show out of Auburn, especially now when they lose a game. Because I enjoy listening to the callers call in. But in the summer more specifically, I listen to Ron Fowler and his crew out of Tuscaloosa.

8:11But he put a video up on his Facebook page. And you should go follow it. And it was post game Florida State. And it showed de board hanging around talking to some of the FSU guys. And then not walking straight back to the locker room to get ready to give his post game. Whatever he is standing about the 20 maybe 15 yard line. But given high fives and slapping buttocks is you know, in a nice way, a regulatory way of the players and coaches and saying good job. And you know, I watched that. And I thought to myself, self, we got a good one. I mean, it's not the biggest gesture in the world. It's not like he donated $10 million to children's hospital. Don't get me wrong. I'm just saying. DeBoer is just a good dude.

9:11And he can be a really good dude and and and be a good coach. He can be a really good dude. And maybe not try not to be a great coach. But I think he's going to be a really good coach for any criticism that I have given DeBoer over the last several years. And I have given some. I 100% believe in this man. I believe he is a good coach. I believe he will bring a national championship down by my heart. Wholeheartedly. I'm I'm bought in. It doesn't mean you can't ever say, hey, that wasn't right. But it is nice to see that he's also a very good person. And as if we didn't already know that, but it was just. I watched it and I thought, man, that's he's just he's just he's a good dude. He's already not. Yeah, he's a good man. I agreed no matter what happens at Alabama. He's a good football coach. Now, does that mean it's going to work out at Alabama the way we want it to work out as Alabama fans and supporters? I don't know. I don't know. The jury is still out.

10:11I don't know. But I do know this as a football guy. He's a good football coach period. He's good. And if it doesn't work here, it's like it's likely to work out somewhere else. And I said the same thing more controversially. I said the same thing. The day Anthony Grant left the basketball program. They didn't work out here. And that's okay. He's a good basketball coach. He proved it before he got here. And he proved it again after he left. He's a good coach. Was it a good fitted Alabama? No, no. So. He did bring us young bull Colin Sexton. And that's not nothing. Because Colin Sexton was a dude and gave us some incredible moments. I mean, we're going to be able to get a good guy. And he gave us some incredible moments. I mean, we almost beat a team playing three on five. And we were essentially playing one on five. And Colin Sexton gave us the Texas A&M SEC tournament win. I mean, he gave us the SEC tournament win over Auburn where he had the incredible pass

11:13to Dante Hall for a huge dunk. And he was always so excited. And Colin Sexton is still on the league. So I mean, it's so hard to separate the in the moment. Criticism from what they truly are sometimes. And look, nobody was matter about losing a Vandy when we were number one. Nobody was matter about losing, you know, getting blown out by Oklahoma when they stoned. Yeah. All that stuff sucked. And there's no doubt. And it deserves to be. That he's handed critics. I can say all the time. He's handed critics. A lot of red beat. And he seemed to be well because he's a good person. And he knows who he is. And he's confident in his approach. And he's confident in his confidence. That's why I think all of the criticism whether it comes from our show or somewhere else. And usually somewhere else. He handles it so well because he's he's a good person. A good man. He knows this. And he knows he's a good coach. My advice to. Kalen DeBoer would be. Hey, put this podcast on a loop. And listen to it. And if you lose the South Carolina,

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15:18If you get any higher net, you start getting into some of the insane fringe and. We won't just regular sane people. So welcome back my super cast.com and join us. Are we saying people are we saying. We are we are saying by college football standards. Look. It's good. I mean this in all sincerity. If you're a college football fan, you can. You can be a casual fan and you're like, OK, I know Alabama and yeah, isn't a brass and still good. What an army good, you know, you can do that kind of thing. Or you can be a college football fan and like you know your stuff. But you take everything like with so much passion that you can never ever come down or. You say things like you say things like Jeremiah Cobb's better than Jaden ball. You say things like Jeremiah Cobb's better than Jaden ball. That is that literally may be one of the top five dumbest things anybody's done on Twitter this year. I'm not going to answer that. Now, I wonder what my top five dumbest things I've ever said since I became you know, prominent in Alabama sports media.

16:25I'm sure that would look ridiculous. I don't even know what would top the list. I hope it's not that bad. It probably is. And I'm sure maybe I'll even get reminded in the comments of some. And hey, I got more dumb stuff coming. But. Cool. That one's off the reservation. All right. So Jimmy USC. We played them this weekend if y'all are. You are just one of those casual fans. You a sea east. And the their writers took a look at Alabama. And I'm trying to find where. Here it goes. I was trying to find some of the things they wanted to say about it. And they're like, they call it a quick look at Alabama to start out the week or whatever. And you wrote this. This is a big by the Big Spur on three Harrison Lutheran. Oh, sounds like a big spark. So this is the South Carolina on three site. South Carolina on three site.

17:26Here's something that they put that. If you just look at the stats. You'll think one thing. But if you know ball, you'll know another. And you'll know one thing. And then you'll probably find it. And we'll see. Listen to this. Alabama defense of outlook. Said Alabama has given up three, 683 total pass yards, which average is out to about two and a 28 pass yards per game. True. But here's the problem. We just gave up 377. Yeah. So. My take is that's the outlier. That's the 377 is going to be the outlier to this year. Why ashed and Daniels was able to go off. I don't know the same reason Steve and Garcia. That tells out over the we're able to go off. I don't know. It's nobody can explain it Nobody has an answer for it. It's though Aurora, Borealis. Nobody knows what the hell's going on So I think they know what that is I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I know But you know and you don't know what it is, but I think the science people know what that is

18:27I'm gonna pretend like they don't for this It makes sense. It's this analogy Nobody knows what's happening. It's the Boreita triangle. Okay. It's gravity hill on highway 280 You know what gravity hill is on highway 280. No, no, no, that's a Birmingham thing. No, okay Between Alex Hidian Birmingham somewhere around Silicaga. There is a side street off of 280 and it goes slightly uphill slightly just ever so slightly but if if if you parked your car Going towards 280 It will roll uphill now. It is 1,000 percent an optical illusion of some description which I can't understand Because if it weren't Elon Musk would have bought the place and figured out a way to capitalize on But this is the Aurora Silicaga. Yes, is That's good All right, thank you. No gravity hill on 280 if y'all ever want me to take you there. I'll take you so I'm

19:29I'm So I just thought it was interesting that That was his take on that and what it it's so funny because It's like the if you just look at those numbers. That's what you think you think okay I was giving about 250 yards passing No, I don't think so at all. I think that last week was is crazy outlier now We have three games of the sample size. I still believe that. I'm not crazy, right? No, no you're you're exactly right and as a matter of fact if South Carolina reads that and takes it too seriously I would urge them hey Why don't you throw the ball on every snap and never run it with the Nora sellers Never hand it to to the back who's been pretty productive over there by the way You know through two or three games Just throw it on every single down. I would invite them to do that Because I just don't believe that's gonna truly be a weakness for Alabama now. I do think Alabama approved that they can be

20:31You can you can get Alabama in the air, but I think it part I think I should be mixed with the strong thread of the run And the only offenses that are gonna have a lot of success against Alabama beat Alabama are offenses that show quite a bit of balance That can run the ball and it opens up things in the past game I'm with you Luke. I Would guess that during the regular season no one's gonna top that 377 number that Ash and Daniels put up on Alabama My guess would be that's going to be a season high Why agree if it's not we're in deep poop Yes poop storm is Jimmy like to say Occasionally and by the way, I mean, I don't want people to think I'm dumb Of course, I knew that the northern lights Aurora, Borealis are caused by electrically charged Particles from the Sun colliding with gases in earth of upper atmosphere of course. I mean that You didn't

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22:35They got one in Oxford. I bet you that Oxford location was hop in Last week. I bet it was high because man everybody that was in the stands. They kept showing the stands about all the pants gone All the pants gone all the pants are totally gone. I'm talking about They were definitely gone after the game And I mean literally walked right into the home. Yeah, I did But I found a better way to say that Pants store just got it going on there in downtown tea town you want to go check them out You want to look good shout out to the Ole Miss people they all look like they went to the pants store and got dressed before the game They all look great standing under their chandeliers Um, so you want to look good too, you know, you do go to the pants store check them out Michael G's got you a hook up over there and he's gonna have some beer and white claws and what was the other of some Mimosas Mimosas out there and on Friday and I think on Saturday too Friday and Saturday Are you going Saturday? Not Saturday Saturday is a tough for me on game to possibly Friday

23:39Now look you can go online and that's great. Their own line is as good as it gets But you don't get them a most so I mean, you know Do you can do best dressed fan bases in the SEC in my opinion or Alabama and Ole Miss and those are the two towns where there's pants stores So the pants store in Oxford pants for instance that can't be a coincidence It can't be it's like Sun-charged particles hidden earth gases It's funny that you mentioned the Aurora Borealis because my favorite singer is Sarah Borealis Is she the one that sang about the dogs? That's McLaughlin to McLaughlin It's another singer Um Jimmy About Ryan Grobe versus the fans This is something that is gotten out of control and I have done it as my friend used to say a complete 190 I'm now on Ryan Grobe's side somehow

24:40Except I do wish he'd stop talking about stop talking Here's the deal This was a nothing burger. I was at the game Yes, there is no doubt there were Some booze it was a smattering it was a smattering of booze and it was not booze at the at the kids It was not booze at the players. It was booze at the play calling Which I just discussed in the first segment if you go look at the film it wasn't as bad as you think if just a Couple little hairline things were different. It's all about execution and it's execution. It's not the call. It's execution of the call So I think everybody just needs to take a step back while I have myself been upset with Ryan Grobe There's no doubt I still maintain he put Keeling Russell in a bad position It's a very beginning of the Kentucky game. I don't even talk about that anymore because that's that's old stuff Why do I want to bring up old stuff? So um, yeah, I was 11 days ago It damn near it

25:44So Ryan Grobe goes in the locker or I say you said this in the locker room and then he announces that he said it that hey I'm glad you guys didn't quit like the fans who were booing you Well then the fans were like well, we were booing you And then he like gives this Incredible lengthy apology. It was love that was unnecessary And so why don't we all just hey, it's cool. I mean, we're all cool. We're three and oh let's all cool by yobb I'm down with it. You're down with it. Let's move on Yeah, uh, I think it was a mistake. I was watching Grobe's press availability live when he said I knew the moment He said I'm like, oh that's gonna come back. That's yeah, that's not over that and and I think he lit I think he gave He breathed life into the booze because it wasn't that bad It wasn't that bad. It went like I was there. It wasn't it was a smattering. It wasn't a full-throated

26:45Whole stadium. It was a smattering. He shouldn't he shouldn't have addressed it and then when he did address it I didn't like the word choice So uh, you know, I'm glad that he apologized because there's a poor word choice and he shouldn't have breathed life You never should have said anything. You know, but that said I am with Ron grubb and I am anti-booming period. I'm just anti-booming. I mean, I I'm I'm for those that say they get paid. Yes, well, I know this sounds like I'm anti-booming it in a faux games Unlike booing athletes that fail while trying and if you think they're not trying I don't know what maybe there's maybe there's been instances of that in the history of humankind But most is to handle this. I mean when remember when a heckler came to him and then he went and heckled her in her office And then she ended up losing her pinky toe I mean, Toby her name was Toby. Her name was Toby. Yes, so um Yeah, look

27:46Let's hey grubb from from our lips to your ears We're all good man. Let's let's go let's go beat South Factor like it and I'll say this one other thing too um Oh, she Jim done away from the next round had a little thing today which It seems so obvious, but it's also very true when you think about it Hey, we keep talking about the NFLization of of the cost for well Well, we really are in the NFL era now And so it doesn't matter how much you win by we as fans they don't understand that It doesn't matter if you cover don't cover doesn't matter any of that stuff anymore Just win win the game because the helmets don't matter anymore NIL has sort of made things a little bit different just go win the game just go win the game and be done with now a couple other things you meet Conner talky SEC Special teams player of the week well deserve some more. Is he the best kicking the lead Well, he hasn't missed a so far. He's tied for the best I mean kicking is a little easier to distinguish than other positions because there's such a clear dividing line between

28:50You know who's just doing well and who's he hasn't missed a kick so he's certainly tied for first If he's not but it Connor talky story is Incredible from you know speaking of booze Uh To come from being booed in his home stadium To being potentially the best kicker after Alabama brings in an all conference kicker to compete with him or the story I'm with you on the don't boo But I'm also understanding why some people booed because right now it's a different So you're going to weigh Conner talker in a biggie way bigger way back when it happened because Conner talky remember you jumped on his He did and he shouldn't have done that that was a weird circumstance I think that he had Conner not yelled at the snapper the game before And then missed a kick That that's why he was booed that's a little different though than performance that was a move we don't care For your conduct which the kid by the way apologize for and it's it's past this all

29:51I hate even bring it up because it's past this and it's past him and it should be and it's all over but In telling the story you have to include it because it makes the story so much better his personal story and now I see comments Luke on social media. I don't know that there's a more popular player on the team with the fans He's a dude and are we sure by the way they weren't saying boo worms Another sense of draft Couple other things Bama Mississippi State as either going to be at 11 or 11 45 as now a Bama fan going on the road I'm for it as a college football fan. This is disgustingly stupid and the night games for October 4th weekend or so This is a revolve this fan. Let me boo the fans here When when we switch from CBS to ESPN one of the things we got excited about was ESPN was saying hey We're not going to do you like CBS. We're going to give you kickoff times this summer We're going to take this summer what the kickoff times are and we're like oh great now. We can plan ahead

30:54CBS wasn't given us enough notice Well, this is the tradeoff when you and now who knew Mississippi State would be what they are With Camario Taylor and that Alabama Mississippi State should probably be a prime time game But you didn't know that in July when these decisions were made so That's that's the problem and I'm I'm fine with kind of going back to the CBS style and me to not saying anything for two weeks Because you don't really know what the big games are until you're In it uh a and m is involved Arkansas at a and m That's Imagine what a and m loses tell us you I guess this is something you said night because it'll put everybody to sleep Yeah, that's a couple other couple other things who can sleep with the blinding aurora borealis lights aurora silicagus hovering above the condo here When we're gonna see this on the discord page what the hell do we even have a bama

31:58Every day or club for a year and go make me that shirt One other thing I got a two other things I got to break up. I got him here um First of all, I thought he was funny kind of funny um one of the Auburn Board moderators tweeted out hey Alex Gulley should a great point in his press conference today That Auburn only gave up five of their seven sacks, you know later in the game when they were trying to make a comeback And my point is oh so you're saying Auburn only gave up sacks when they were trying to pass that is Okay, forgivable now. Let's just give him the joe moron world. Let's say no at least I know how to avoid sacks in the future So and then one other thing that I found just So don't There are still people who think they're such an scc bias nationwide and Somebody said I can't believe you're going to tennessee texas when there's organ at us sitting right there Why would game day go to us? He's a man's don't go to usc and organ has already lost

32:59They've already lost Organ's already lost in a sort of a story for not being great and usc just beat Rutgers by seven Uh, I that's that would be insane. I'll tell you more I mean, I do think organ us is interesting I think michigan isa is interesting, but but Texas tenisee is an easy choice here That's the game of the weekend and period A thousand percent the number one team might lose On the road in a great environment that's got to be the game of the week It it doesn't mean there's a bias because this is the better game quit acting like this in the better game This archmannings never even been to tenisee which is crazy Yeah with his uncle You know is a stadium that his uncle helped build and uh Our paton's already said he's gonna pull for arch in the game and not tenisee Because family over uh family over college. So anyway, but uh, that's all interesting stuff No doubt that's the game of the weekend is Texas at tenisee and

34:03And if it wasn't the game the weekend guess what would be oh miss it florida I think it's a fantastic game and that's another one that should have been Uh, you know more of a prime time kickoff Uh, but again, you didn't know how the season will play out when these things are Or set in july but uh again, uh, that that's gonna be a fantastic football game No, I've been saying this might the third show in row that i'm saying florida's gonna be Ole Miss I'm starting to have some hesitation. You know what you know what? I'm starting to have some hesitation Trinidad Am i betting against Trinidad Shamlis and shout out to the state of Mississippi how about this and every hizeman pole right now every hizeman pole number one and two The quarterback from Ole Miss quarterback from Mississippi state one and two and now September is where hizeman's go to die But it is interesting that uh churned at Shamlis and kimori otaylor Top the straw poles after week three I wonder if anybody's gonna bring up the fact that

35:03Ole Miss is the team that gave florida the tim t-bow speech about you will never see a player's heart as i will and Without that they they don't i mean I still believe this if Ole Miss had beaten florida that day. Yeah, Alabama would have won the national championship in a way That's somebody's beaten florida. That's a great butterfly effect That's a great butterfly effect story, you know, everybody knows you know the butterfly effect thing is if t-bow speech t-bow speech uh probably uh prevent adalabame for winning a national championship as did Ole Miss's win Sayman said it the other day on on game to sayman talked about how Hey to win it all you sometimes need that loss the loss is what Gets the kids to believe we got a work to improve. Yeah, so when you're winning every week It's hard to convince the kids that they're not good enough Uh, but a loss does so i agree i agree with the general prince notion that florida would have at some point lost and probably

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