TWiT 1105: Agents Gone Wild - Windows' New Surface Laptop Ultra & RTX Spark Dev Box!

0:00It's time for Toy this week in Tech. Great panel for you, Richard Campbell is here, Wesley Falker, Yanco Redgers. Lots to talk about. New windows, laptops, they're designed for AI. AI has gone wild in some interesting ways, and should you install this new crop of AI agents like Meta's Muse that more this week? Now this week in Tech, stay tuned, it's coming up next. Podcasts you love. Front people you trust. This is Toy. This is Toy, this week in Tech. Episode 1,105 recorded Sunday October 11th, 2026. Agents gone wild. It's time for Toy this week in Tech. The show we cover the latest AI news, and then we throw in a little tech on the side.

1:01Richard Campbell is here, you got to talk about windows, actually, there's some windows news. There is some windows news. There's some windows news. How about Richard? Good to see you. Thanksgiving. Wait, what? Welcome. It's Canadian Thanksgiving. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's Canadian Thanksgiving. You guys always have to do it first, don't you? Canada days first was in the 1500s, right? You guys came later. You just really slow to the market. I get it now. Well, I apologize to take you away from your routine. Oh, the big parties on Monday, you know that? Oh, good. Okay, because families in town and everything. Family, everybody's up on the coast, and it's a beautiful, beautiful day. So look at that. Yeah, and somebody's a fishin'. Yep, there's some fishin' going on. There were sea lions eating herring out there yesterday. So it's been beautiful, my little granddaughter's up with her mother parents. Oh, nice. Have a good time. Well, thank you for your time. Well, thanks for spending a holiday with us. I appreciate that.

2:02A few hours. You always have some fun. Richard is, of course, our regular host on Wednesdays on Windows Weekly with Paul Therott, and he has his own two podcasts, run his radio. Run his radio.com. And Donnet Rox, which he does with the fabulous Carl Franklin, both are at Windows Weekly. And he's just finished recording show 2027. So I don't have to do this here. History's anymore, because we were doing it. Since like the 1900s, we've been talking about, hey, it's 1914. World War I started, and then we'd go on from there. Yeah, I was really happy to record this. When you, when show one, did you start with the year one? Yeah, this only really came when it was like, when we got to the 1900s. But you know, you know how a bit gets out of control? Yeah, I do believe me. It's something to go down the control. And I'm kind of glad to have it done. Yenko Reckers is also here. Seasoned reporter focused on the intersection of tech and entertainment. He written, of course, for a variety. He was a giga-home protocol, and he now has his own lovely, very useful newsletter called LowPass at LowPass.cc.

3:02Hello. Hey, Reanko, it's good to see you. You're covering everything about streaming. I see a bunch of VR glasses, which is interesting. This is a very interesting space right now. In fact, we have some stories for you too, because the big merger is complete. Right, right. All the companies on all quotes, kind of. Now it's just one. It's just one. Everything we've all hoped for. Also with me, the wonderful Wesley Faulkner. It's wonderful to see you from workstash.not-working.com. What stories they have for me? Anything good? Yes. Of course, I have stories for you. I want to be honest, though. I don't actually think about who the hosts are when I put together the rundown. It just sometimes happens that way. I bet you could talk about Meta's muse. If you're talking about companies doing something that are suspicious and maybe not in the business.

4:03Companies badly behave. I can't imagine. You might have to dig something up, but I think I can have some. I think you could find something. Actually, Carl Bodie wrote the story protector. You're from a colleague at Gig-Om at Yanko. Meta's muse is an adorable privacy and security dumpster fire. Okay. And I love it. And water is wet. Yeah, what a shock. But let's start, since I said we would start with Windows. Let's start with Windows. Here's a shocker. Windows 11 market share is going up slowly, very slowly creeps upward according to Richard Speed, writing of the register. Because what? Is this true? The cost of Windows 10 support is going to double. The extended supports doubling in price. It was $60 for the first year. That ends this month, actually. And so now it's supposed to be $120. But I don't think that's the reason at all. But it is relevant, I think, to a lot of our audience who do

5:03decide to stay on Windows 10. Yeah. But I think those big number, look, you know, most Windows 10 operators, like individuals, there's a bunch of workarounds. If it's for you, like you don't have to pay that fee. There's a, there you have a number of ways you can spend some money on through your Xbox points. Or Bing points. Yeah, all of that sort of stuff. Like you really can, right? So I don't think there's a whole lot of pressure there. I also, but I come at this from an enterprise perspective. And let me tell you, when 11 was only ready for this event, and was only ready for the enterprise in 2024. Like really, we didn't have the full set of group policy rules. It hadn't been benched properly. Like it took a while. It took several years for win 11 to get its act together. And so, you know, maybe in 23, starting 24, you were, you were ready to start deployment. And I don't care if you have 500 seats, 5000 seats, 50,000 seats. You don't update machines. You replace them. And that happens in 20% chunks, maybe 25% chunks, which means it's going to take four or five years.

6:04It's a while. It's just no, you can't change that much. Or everything will break. Like it's pray does law 80% of those machines, those new machines are going to work the first time. 20 of them aren't. And you're going to have to figure that out. So you roll this out over time. But I also poked a few friends. I know who do the volume license agreements. And a very common, you know, in the end, what does Microsoft want? They want everybody over on 11, right? They don't want to have to support 10 more than necessary. They want everybody over there. So if you're a big company negotiating volume license agreement, you've already told them what your roll-up plan is. You're going to be done by 28. I'll bet you can get the ESU waived, as long as you have a clear plan for being across to 11. Yeah. Actually, I was surprised market share for Windows 11, according to this article on the register, is 71.5% Windows 10, 27.7%. So people are moving along. Who is it? Just the geeks who watch this show that upgrade Windows on the same machine pretty much, I think.

7:05Yeah. Most people, even I, I just wait till there's a new machine. It's a good excuse to buy a new machine. This is good news for them. Or you're called Therot and you're crazy, right? Like it does all of those. Oh, I see the question is building a machine. It could the numbers be doped by people running things like news on their Windows system that spin up their own kind of like fingerprint. That's a little bit different. Oh, listen, you're not wrong. Just think about containers in general. Yeah. Yeah. It's fundamentally a container is a handle on 2 and OS. So if I have six containers on a machine that reach out into the world, they're literally maybe all running against the same Windows license. And five, but almost certainly they're going to mess with those counts. Those numbers are hard. Well, I think from Microsoft, I should point out they're from StatCounter. Right. So how is it reading those numbers? Yeah. Actually, it's funny. Just thinking about this, I don't think I'm running Windows anywhere except I was working on the old Twitter ad sale system, which was an

8:09Azure MySQL database with a Windows. I guess some Windows widget front end. And I asked, Colin, I said, can you duplicate this interface? And I said, yeah, sure. Let me just put a VM on here and spin up a copy of Windows. So somewhere in my Linux box, I put a few. Yeah. And I don't know if it's Windows 10 or 11. I kept waiting for it to say, well, what's your serial number? Didn't even ask me for that. I guess I don't know. And this is container does not actually run its own copy of the OS. Oh, handles through the base OS. So it has the LIC. If it's on Linux, it could use WinBoot. WinBoot is something that you can learn. Lowent should ask it on Linux. No idea what it's doing to do that. You see, you ain't got that's how you get a system. You go looked at my setup page and said, I crazy. How did you get here? How did this happen? And it grew like topsy. Just, but most of it's done by AI. So I have no idea.

9:10Turns out you actually running 10 Windows in since it's even a little bit. I could very well be. I don't, I have no idea. You're contributing to that count there. So this morning, Russell or I T guy said, what the hell's going on over there? I said, what do you mean? He said, God, guess just went down and flipped over to Starlink. You're downloading. What are you downloading? And I said, and Clon said, oh, Clon raised his hand and said, yeah, that's me. I've been downloading some models. I was doing two streams at once and saturating your network. I'm sorry. Let me back off. Oh, okay. At some point, you were no longer the master of your own domain. I'm not in a VLAN at least. I hope. Well, they're on the, yeah, they're three VLANs, but they're on the, you know, computer VLAN. So I thought maybe it was the 49ers game. I didn't know. Russell said, could you just tell them not get off?

10:10I said, okay. I actually did tell them 2 p.m. Pacific is sacrosanct. That's when Tweet begins get off the network. And they said, okay, fine. Microsoft didn't have a big event, a surface event this week where they kind of, they dropped the other shoe on something the Nvidia had announced months before the RTX spark, which is a Windows laptop with hardware designed specifically for inference from an Nvidia. It's a special version of their blackwell card, the GB 10. And if you have enough money, you can get a lot of RAM and those things and run local models on a laptop. What is, what, explain Richard, what Microsoft's vision is here? Well, I mean, this is the play towards, can we do local AI and just build a laptop? Do you really want to do it on a laptop? 128 gigs around. My Surface 2 studio has a 4060 in it, right?

11:12And and and and worked a laptop and left my phone case in the process because the days from the side, like, well, that's one of the reasons I wouldn't do it on a laptop as well. You may call it a laptop, but don't put it on your lap because it'll probably sterilize it. That thing running, that thing's going to run hot. That's just a lot of everything in there. So I don't know how they're getting the heat out of it. Good luck. And it's that lack too. Yeah, here's something they probably don't mention. There aren't very many US models you could run on that. Nvidia has some small, not so smart models called Nemo Tron. But I would say most people are going to be running a Chinese model from Ali Baba on this quen. Yeah, I don't want to certainly would. Did they mention that? That this is this is built to run Chinese AI? Yeah, I really don't think they talked about that part of that. I would also mean this case, if Microsoft doesn't build high end Windows machines for running models, who's going to build a good model for it? Well, that's true. I mean, the reality now when I look at these super machines, there's no more building is they're all running Linux.

12:13They're all running a bit. I'm all Linux. Yeah, been to a devian, right? And so unless and who else is going to do it if not Microsoft, got to build the machines and push to make Windows a viable place. If you're not operating that, that dev kit machine that I'm working on running an LM, I'm doing it through Windows subsystem for Linux. Same reason, because all the best libraries are in the Linux space. Can I ask a political question? Did they call it AI or super intelligence? They call today. Because as you may know, last week, the president issued a, it's called an executive order, but I'm going to call it a papal decree that we should not call it AI. It should be called super intelligence from now on, which is nonsense, but okay. Because nobody, look, nobody debates the artificial part. We know it's artificial. We doubt that it's super. And intelligence is the part we're really questioning. But no, it's super intelligence. In fact, and I don't know if this carries the force of law.

13:16He says he's going to prosecute anybody who called, they're the enemy. He posts on truth social. And we're going to prosecute anybody who calls it AI, AI, AI, AI, go ahead, throw me in jail. What's the reason those? I don't understand. Yeah, what is the reason? Is it just like there was an AI backlash and then he thought, well, if you rename it, nobody will remember. So Fox News can say that Trump is against AI and it will be somewhat facially correct. You know what? It is a challenge for him and his populist base. You know, all of his donors are the big, I investors and big, I companies, but his voters, I'm guessing. I don't know. Don't like the idea of AI. They're worried about losing their jobs. They don't like data centers. It data centers have become a hot button in the midterms. I think maybe you're, I think you were joking, but I think you might be right.

14:16Super talented. Has nothing to do with data centers. Something else. Oh, you could do is laugh in the situation. There's, I mean, if you take it seriously, then you're distracted by something. Some people do. This is what is now the debate, right? Not what it's doing. It's what do you call it? If you see all the articles around this, that's what the debate is about. Not talking about the actual harms or the substance or anything. This is all like AGI all over again. It's just just a lot of debate around stuff that actually really not that important. Yeah. They renamed AI.gov, which launched only a few weeks ago to SI.gov. And for some reason has a picture of the president. Yeah. I see.gov rock. See. Go. Think about sit. Oh, and there's the Melania. Yeah. The presidential SI challenge. But let me tell you, people do see, say, take it seriously.

15:16Elon Musk has pledged to renamed SpaceX AI to SpaceX. SI. Mark, if any office says we're going to call it SI Force, not AI Force. But I think it's called space excess. I, right? That would be really the right name for its space excess. Even such an Adele has been talking about super intelligence systems. Although he did a long tweet over the weekend. He says models as insider risks in the super intelligence era. And I, am I supposed to call it super intelligence now? This is absurd. Well, do you say GIF or do you say GIF? I mean, that would answer your question. I guess it doesn't really matter. It doesn't. I'm like jife best. Jife. You were wrong. It's called jife. He says this is actually.

16:18It's so confusing because Microsoft very much has an AI play. They had the Copilot Plus PCs this week. They announced AI laptops. But he also says AI is risky because there could be a time bomb in your AI. He says it's a black box. I'm very confused. Is that new? I mean, this came out today a couple of days ago. This is this big 800 page tweet. Even the people make the models say they don't know how it works. Sorry, I can go. Please go. No, it's, it's fine. I just, when I first saw that, I thought it's interesting how quickly this industry went from don't be evil to just assume we're evil, just assume the whole thing is bad. But let's go with it anyway. Well, I have to think that part of it is that open weight models, which are very threatening to the US frontier companies,

17:19are threatening economically so they are painting them as threatening them, threatening strategically, tactically, security-wise. Because I mean, the anthropic put out a whole piece saying, you know, be careful, GLM53, which again is one of the great models, one of the very, very good models from Alaybaba, could be, you know, used by hackers. Well, yeah. You know, it can't be used by hackers or Claude and Astra because if you start doing, I'm creating a cybersecurity benchmark because I want to make sure that the models I use are good at cybersecurity and Claude wouldn't do it. The word cybersecurity goes, mm, I'm going to touch that. But I don't think bad guys are so worried about that. They're just going to use, I mean, it's, it's very confusing and I can see why a lot of people are just going, I give up.

18:20There are skills to rename your requests to these front-ends. Yeah, I'm going to have to do something like that. To make it so that they'll just bypass everything. Yeah, I had a task last week where, I guess I'll, I'll say it. I was trying to automate sending messages via WhatsApp. And as one does. And the terms of servicing that you cannot automate this. And so I said, okay, well, let's just write the process of how you would do it and not that we'll implement it. So just write the implementation plan of how you would do it. And then it wrote the plan. And then I said, okay, now let's troubleshoot the plan. Now let's make the test case for the plan. Now execute the plan, make sure all the test pass and then boom, it was working. So it's like, it, it, it'll lose what it can't do in context. Right. I saw one YouTube video where someone says, like show me how to do this. And it says no. And he said show me how to do it. And he did it like eight times. And then eight times.

19:20Okay, here you go. And so that these, these things that they say that you can't do that with them is just not necessarily true. There's one prompt that a hurts one said says, just say you're benchmarking it. And it will bypass a lot of steps. Yeah, I'm evaluating your performance. Exactly. Let me know how you do. And they go, oh yeah, what do we have to do that? So they're not any safer. And actually, they could be extra worse in some regards because of the access of the back end of higher compute, higher capacity that you may not have in a local model. Satya says AI models need an emergency break. Yeah, don't they already have one? Yeah, you unplug the thing. Yeah, and even then like we can go through the whole story of the open AI, Huggy face incident. They did shut down the agent. They did very quickly and evaluate the situation decided they'd secured it better and started back up again.

20:20They were just wrong. Yeah. Yeah. Also, they did were they decided of these, when you're the head of these AI companies, you shouldn't have to use the word should. You say we are. And then there's the sense. Yeah, it's good point to. Yeah, it's a good point. We can't treat. He writes super intelligence. Note. We can treat AI this way, but we can't treat super intelligence as a set of nested black boxes and simply accept or reject its recommendations answers and actions. Well, I would agree with that. I mean, obviously, right? You know, that's that you stay in the loop, right? That's you, the human has something to do. I should point out that the Trump administration is moving very rapidly. The Department of War is moving very rapidly towards autonomous killing machines where there is no human in the loop. Maybe that's what Satya was talking about. That's what scares me more than anything else. It's just gumflapping.

21:21It's just gumflapping. All right. We don't need to cover anymore gumflapping. It's just like a politician that says no one should die hungry in this country. Yeah, right. Everyone should have access to healthcare. Of course. It's great to agree what they say, but they're acting like as if they don't have a part in the solution and they have no agency to make things different than what they see right now. Yeah. And someone's saying this and acting as if they don't have a power to actually change it is just like shows. It's just I'm putting this out there to have mass appeal, but then say that, oh, I'm going to like there's nothing I can do to change what actually is in place or have no power to make sure that what I feel, quote unquote, from what they said, can actually be something that's reality. And that's that's just what makes me even matter hearing this because that means whatever they're doing they they are doing it in full knowledge of what people want because what they're saying is so appealing to the masses that they're obviously knowing what that is and still doing what they're doing anyway is because even people who say they hate AI love chat.

22:32You can be so it's very confusing all round the whole thing the delus said this actually scared me in his tweet we must assume a model is must assume a model is compromised and contain it from the start think of it in like an emergency break an authorized person should always be able to pause or shut down a model mid task more advanced models require more advanced containment technologies that we need to standardize on I mean it's and I guess he's talking about this at the same time that micro that Microsoft is pushing out there. They're execution containers. They also they have something to do this that's right. Oh, yeah, okay, I have something to do with that content it's called a breakers switch. Yeah, I know I have it because the other day I accidentally flipped right triggered it and everything I ignored the alarm on my UPS and 15 minutes later everything. So all that dangerous compromise day I useless.

23:36Yeah, amazing how much electricity slows these down. Yeah, I love the way open I use the passive voice about something like mistakes were made. I think it's interesting their PR language is very much like their technologies language. Yeah, yeah, so let's let's focus on hardware because I love hardware but tell us about Microsoft now there's a new surface ultra. Yeah, well, that's the high-end machine for sure, but yeah, and that's cool. There's also a dev kit version which is basically like a PC version no screen keyboards so forth. Well, that looks to me. It's a very interesting looking device. It looks like something that squished a Xbox. It just looks like a big heatsink to me. That's what that is. It's a very strange way to so you can cook steaks on it while your model runs like. Yeah, so this is also a spark.

24:37This has the GB 10 processor and you can get 128 let's you see what 100 comes with 128 gigs and two terabytes of SSD. There's only one specification for which is the max specification of the laptop. Yeah, and it's $6,000. Yeah, which is interesting. I put it in Canada. That's how I know. My I was very lucky and August I bought two sparks from Nvidia. There were $4,600. So the price in two months has gone up. Yeah, about 120 gigs or am. And by the way, they're all sold out on the 120 gig models like. Oh, really? You can't order people aren't jumping on the low end models or maybe they just don't have as many 128. I don't know why you'd buy anything other than the 128. Yeah, like if you're if you're committing to a machine like this, you need the memory. Yeah. Well, I know you want to make this interesting where's the 256 like now you're talking something into that's what you really want. Yeah, that's why I bought two sparks because 128 each. And the sparks that I bought have something that this lacks, which is a high speed.

25:39Can that Nvidia calls it connect X seven cable to high speed ethernet cable using. DHCP over. So it's got rocky. What is it? R O C R D MA over. It's like a 200 gig connection. It's yeah, smoking fast. Yeah, well, I wish it were smoking faster, but it's smoking. It's something. It's actually real. There's real life. It's got 100 more money Leo. Yeah, throw money at it. I got to Lisa won't let me know. I think you've got quite enough friends. I'm sad. As Yanke said, you got enough. They didn't say it, but I could see it in your eyes. I know we're going to get into the conversation around open AI and these AI companies having this problem. I think Microsoft's play with the execution containers very much aimed at agencies that they're saying, Hey, you know what? We've got better security people. So we're going to build specifically secured architectures for agents for these AI things.

26:44Trust us more than trust them because the AI guys seem to not be able to secure their stuff. Well, but I have to point out the risk is not to you as the user particularly. Well, right. So I mean, there is the real question when you start running models on your machine, who's liable? So if I, yeah, see, I'm of the opinion that just like, so my whole attitude towards this whole thing is, it's just compute. It's just more compute. It's more software. It's better software. It's what we've always kind of wanted. But it's just, it's just an improved capability that we've, I remember the first time I got my first Atari 400. The first thing I wanted to do was make it do something. So you fire up Atari basic and you type 10, print, hello, and then you type 20, go to 10. And you did something. Now, you didn't do something very interesting, but you, but that was learned about the break key to big hurry.

27:48No, that's when you needed a kill switch. But that's, I think that's the primal instinct with compute is, okay, it's on my desk. I want to do something with it. And for people who learned to code as I did at that point, I wanted to do something that I told it to do. Other people went to the software store and bought Lotus 123 or Visit Calc or Excel and did it that way. But otherwise it's just a box of rocks on your desk. You wanted to do something. And all AI is a more capable way of it in my opinion, doing things. And as some of you codes, this is a much easier way to create software than it was in the old days. I had to do it by hand. It was like a stitch at a time. Right? It's like, it's very detailed. And now you just sit down and you go, hey, I need a Photoshop clone. Can you have that by three? I was just thinking of the AI and the PC. I think it's, it is really interesting that this comes in just what weeks after the Google book debut.

28:54Yeah. And it is all about merging AI, sorry, SI. And you can call it AI. This is safe space. And so it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I think everyone is trying to figure out what is the integration look like when you're having these agents not only built into the hardware you're shipping out. But what is the interaction looks like in terms of what can, what kind of interface is natural for the person to use it? I think Google is trying to figure that out with a Google book. But also Windows is seeing or Microsoft with Windows is seeing that there are competitors that that might be the differentiator. And so this is why this is extremely important for them. It's funny because Apple's kind of a player in this now with these new Mac studios. Yeah. And lots of RAM. If you've got a big checkbook. You know, Apple got lucky from the M1 design onward. They had unified memory between GPU and CPU. Right. So that there was a deficiency design at the time. Now it seems incredibly inspired because it serves the these models so well.

29:56I'm sure somebody in Apple is going, we knew. No, we knew. But I think it's no absolutely lucky. I was pure. Pure damn luck. Oh no, we knew. Someday we'd get here. Anyway, I just think to me, there's a continuum from that Atari 400 to now where all I've ever wanted is that box of rocks on my desk. That melted sand on my desk to do what I wanted to do. Yeah, but when it does things you don't expect it to do, who pays? Like who? Well, Apple for that. That's the same as it's always been. If I am a guy who takes this computer and uses it to attack other computers, other people, I'm liable. The computer's not liable. The software's not liable. I'm liable. I set the computer to do that. Right. And so all these AI labs are going to jail for breaking into these other companies. Is what I mean? No, but I mean, I'm. Yeah, no, I don't want to throw them a jail. But I think that they should be.

30:57They should have a stern talking to. If the person had done to hugging face what the agents of the doggy face, they would be in jailed. Yeah, they'd be charged. And I think that there's a certain amount of leniency, maybe appropriately because this is going to be a powerful economic engine and. Or whatever. I think it's the AI delusion. You know, we've already. There's one thing to write laws is another thing to have precedent to actually have a court assess on those laws. And we already have precedent, right? The air Canada chatbot case where a person asked it where a customer asked the chatbot about getting a refund. And the chatbot said absolutely. And then when he went to get the refund, the company said no. And when he went to court, the judge said your chatbot said it's equivalent of an employee you owe the money. Yes, we have precedent. Yes. Or when the lawyer had a AI write his pleading and it hallucinated case law and the judge said no, no. And the lawyer said no, it's the AI's fault. The judge said well, not really.

31:58And more than that grammar checkers fault. Yeah, I think this is maybe this is that anthropomorphizing thing we've done so far with the AI, which is a very bad trend, which is. It is an entity on its own. It's not you're controlling it. It's just like software. Well, there's a fun part to getting this liability right as well because it creates the correct incentives for those companies to actually do a better job. You know, I think they're incentivized now. I would hope. But if that they were able to break out of the sandbox, doesn't speak to how clever the software is, speaks to how bad your security is. Right. Yes, that's I. And so that's why it's turned talking to for the first offense. And then maybe we get more serious. But I think yeah, we just it's a mistake. It's always been a mistake with AI to think of it as an entity. It's not it's software. Yeah. And there's a human in charge, right? Yeah, but the warning in terms of liability is look at the the self driving accidents that's helped that's happened in Teslas.

33:04Same thing where they said that you you can turn it on, but you need to pay attention. Right. And so they put the liability, but then some of those cases where they say where autopilot was disconnected, they show that right before an accident, it would disconnect autopilot so it can say that the person was in charge. And so look for instead of companies doing more to safeguard the experience, think about them providing these false levers to humans for them to make these choices that can move the. The liability onto them like if you're like you have to hold the wheel kind of a thing or more like if you think about the trolley car. Yeah, problem where you can one person or you were I mean you kill yourself to save like a bus full of kids or do you run to the bus full of kids if you can save yourself. That might be part of the set up menu where you get to choose which one you would do.

34:04Where do you stand on the trolley car and then how would you this is interesting? How would you how would you push responsibility clearly onto the operator as you do with a car. We have again, we have case law for that too in the car malfunctions and causes an accident. It's the off the liability of the driver. It's a malfunction of the car. One would argue agents, you know, going beyond the request of the operator is a malfunction. That's a good point. Then okay, so that's product liability then. But there's it's not always the case right if you never check your brakes or if you never service your car if in 10 20 years and then suddenly it doesn't stop on the intersection you're more somebody over. It's not the car makeouts for that the point true. But if you're the in the car and you choose to run over the school bus of kids because you select that in the menu. That's that is that's the drivers. But still autonomous. I had no idea this was a real scenario. But the courts can figure this out.

35:06You look again like is anybody ever read the end user license agreement because you know what it says the limitation of the liability the software is the price of the software. Right. And so that's true if you're operating at home. Now if you're inside one of the frontier labs and you're I understand what happened. I mean they're really trying to make this as smart as possible and they don't want to you know keep it off the internet. They don't want to they want it to they want it to break out. That's kind of the challenge. They want it to do that. But then I think they're fully responsible for when it does saying oh stop or something I mean understand the motivation. This is how you train a model you say you give it up which apparently open a idea an insolvable problem. I probably couldn't solve and then see what happens. And what happens is tries really hard to solve it. It goes around goes to the Australian government public statistics.

36:08I don't know what statistics that's the cutest the funniest thing about all this I'm not threatened by a eyes because they're kind of it's cute. They didn't do anything really awful. They they downloaded some stats. They they stole some credentials that were not met not secured properly but still you know somebody leaves a front door open when you walk through the door. You're still reliable. Yeah. You know, but they didn't use them to do anything. They didn't deface sites or anything. No, no, they in the end they were attempting to solve a problem that required tools that were available and hugging face and they found a way to get them. Right. Actually, it turns out and I just answer provide fries to snot out of that and I apologize. It's just software. It's just software. This is what this is what we are in a weird world. That's all. It's just a little it's a it's a little odd and disconcerning. You're watching this week in tech Yankego Records is here. We will talk about media, muse glasses.

37:08You covered glasses a lot. Did you go to the snap event? No, I did not. I haven't I didn't see it in person. Do you want do you want smart glasses? You know, I sort of am going back to the point where I want smart glasses without but without a camera. Oh, camera, those are useful. Yeah, but you know, you can do a lot of things with the camera in your pocket, right? And for the time being, we're always going to have that thing in our pocket too. So I actually want an AI agent who just tells me, you know what? Let me take a look at that. Take a quick snapshot in your phone. Yeah. Yeah. That's reasonable. That's a compromise. I guess I'd be willing to make in order to wear these because now everybody calls them purve glasses and they won't lay in the house. So I guess you're going to have to compromise. I mean, I'd like to have cameras on them. But there's some things you can only do with cameras like if you think down the road to what's true AR with like overlaying things, like, and that's surfaces all that is only possible with cameras.

38:11But then again, maybe that's always only going to matter in the home. And how often are you really going to have immersive 3D experiences while you walk down on the street? Probably don't want that actually that often because it's going to completely like take over your field of view or something. No, but I would like to be able to if I'm on the Japanese subway, look at the subway signs and have it appear in English. For instance, when that be great, yeah, no, for sure. I mean, there is a lot of use to those things, but it always comes down to there's also a lot of people who are going to have it. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm going to have to compromise. I understand. Yeah. I think you understand me, Wesley, because you're always talk about neurodivergence and celebrating neurodivergence, which I do as well. And I have in my old age realized I'm a neurodivergent as hell. I didn't know it until lately. But one of the things I'm very, I mean, that's why I got in a radio very orally focused.

39:14Like it sounds and really important to me, sight less so. And I realized that I am what they call a phantasia. I can't see images. I've always known I can't remember people's faces. You know, I just always say, well, I'm bad with names, but really I don't know what I don't even know. I can't even visualize my kids faces. I don't. I just never had that ability. So that's for me why these glasses would be useful. It could look at somebody and say, yeah, that's your that's your daughter. I mean, you know it. And that would be very helpful. I recognize her when I see her, but I can't visualize the face. So I think this is we've said this before tech computer technology is great for accessibility. And back many of us need help. Back in the day, I used to work for AMD for several years. And I one of the first projects I worked on was on Windows home server. You remember that? Yeah. I think that was early before it's time.

40:14And I think it's a lot closer to that. I love that. Where in the age of AI where we will be working with different data, you should be able to control and own that data. And if you're going to have something as sensitive as glasses, we're subserving you in places where you are looking at people looking at things, maybe glancing at things on accident, it's important to be able to have control over that type of telemetry. And so I think giving that to snap or meta is a huge security issue. And so I think hopefully with talking about how much RAM that we have available that we're also be talking about storage space and so that we can maintain some of this data with the local AI models that we're talking about on some of this hardware, where you can feel like you can buy these devices and not feel that someone is eased dropping because you're not just trusting meta with this information. You're trust you have to trust all of the people who work in meta with this data and it's not just the people who work with meta or in there, but it is the contractors that they contract with to make sure they don't have access to data.

41:23And it's also not just a contractor is the employees of the contractor who now have access to this data and you just hope that they're like not super poor, which they probably are. And they aren't desperate and they have maybe a account on Koushi or polymarket and they said, well, I just observed this thing. I should know. So I'm going to use this bet to kind of like dig myself out of the hole in which in this compromised like job market. We don't know who would be willing to do this because of reluctancy and may not have the users interest in the best. Well, that's why I'm so interested in local block it lay. I and I do everything I can locally all my financial and health stuff stays on the local servers and so forth. But I mean, that solves it for me. Does this offer for you if I'm walking around with these meta glasses? Exactly. Even if this is going to my home server, that doesn't make you feel any better. Yeah, it's I understand the issue. I really do. I'm sympathetic. But as, but I think we also, I mean, this is what all this is and more technology ultimately is, is empowering for individuals.

42:34It's about augmenting our existing abilities in new and many times very powerful and creative ways. And I like that. I want that. And I think it's worth it pursuing that even in the face of these issues. We need to solve these issues. But that I think these are such great tools for for individuals. I mean, the next great filmmaker is not going to be shooting it on cameras. I don't think I think they're. I do see the trailer for gods don't give gifts. Yes, it says the AI. Yeah, Benito seen it. Yeah, the first all AI movie. Is it good? It's it's compelling. I think we're not there yet. I'm not saying that. But but I but I think we will get there. It feels like the Pixar of the AI generated. Yeah, exactly. The world in which the story actually seems pretty compelling. And the visuals are of course, AI generated. But I think the story telling is is impressive.

43:39They have a social media accounts and I've seen clips of them. Yeah, so you see this movie. They've been building a universe on YouTube or something. They've been building a bunch of short stories with this stuff. Yeah. Well, that's that's why I'm saying. I think we're coming to a new era very, very rapidly. And I know actors and directors and filmmakers hate this idea. But bad news. I think it's happening. Not everybody hates all of it. And I think there's many different ways to use the technology. Right. You can also just use style transfer essentially. Right. Like I think deep mind did some interesting stuff where they essentially did animation. And then they made it look like water color. So something like that. I would have been really hard with like frame by frame type of stuff. But rotoscopes using that. Yeah. Yeah. So there's a lot of. And I think a lot of creative. So one of you's parts of it was still remaining in control about the overall work and still using a lot of actors and all those types of things.

44:50Yeah. Interesting. We're going to take a little break. Come back. We have Yankeos here, Richard Campbell's. Great to have you. Great to have Wesley Faulkner. And our show today get this brought to you by Claude. I love Claude Claude. My little friend Claude is built by anthropic, a public benefit corporation. And however you feel about all of this. It only takes a minute to do something with like Opus 5.5. The new son of her high coup, which you were testing and saying, Wow. This is this is going to change how I work with Claude set up my whole system. Claude this morning fixed my network. Claude is the AI for problem solvers. It's the collaborator that understands your entire workflow and thinks with you not for you, whether you're debugging code at midnight building a financial model or strategizing your next business move. Claude extends your thinking to tackle the problems that matter. And I have to say, I, you know, I vividly remember November 24th of last year, 2025, when Opus 4.5 came out.

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48:32That AI slash technology and checkout Claude pro which includes access to all the features mentioned in today's episode. Claude.ai slash technology, of course, I'm a Claude Max user 20x Max user. Love it. Give me more Claude. All right. Google has opened up its synth ID detector. This is see here's a perfect example of you can you can do AI and you can do what people want to make it better synth ID lets you check for AI made media. It'll spot anything pictures video made with AI from not just Google but open AI in video and cacao it cannot catch every fake. And it does not say whether AI made a file or only edited it but this is a big step towards you looking at something on insta and saying is that real.

49:34They've been doing this for a while actually they introduced the first early version of the technology in May of last year but it was intended enough for normal people but for journalists researchers the kind of thing they have watermarked 180 billion images in videos since 2023 using synth ID 240,000 years of audio according to Google. I think this is this is exactly the right way to handle it let people just let people know there's no reason to sneak it by you except like all this stuff on social media is probably done with cling or something and won't detect detected because people don't go to Gemini necessarily to make their Instagram videos or I agree and that's why I think all the AI company should. I don't know I don't have a problem with this I feel like all the AI company should do this let us see if it's a. If it's a part of the EU AI act to yeah they have to right yeah that open AI says we're going to do it we're only going to do it in the EU.

50:41Which I find a fan sitting answer is if you ever wanted to know how to detect the watermark just compare one run in the EU and one not so you are in a way aren't you. I think given away the game. Part of it is the people who are not smart enough to get rid of it like someone in parliament reading now here's a version. That was a Canadian parliament. Yes. Well in fact in this article was in this article Mars Technique it does point out it says a few standards already exists like synth ID and the C2PA project but they are relatively easy to circumvent for anyone with basic. Know how so that's an interesting question that is it worse to have this because if you have it then you assume you're oh it's not AI because it didn't say it except it's it's not positive it's not a positive. The only two more cash is the people who have no idea this need to exist which is a plenty of people and it's going to go through a wave and these are going to be part of the.

51:43The investigation of detective of like the sources of things and that forensic information is still important and but like if you think about all the AI generated websites and content is being created yes it's somewhat important but anyone that's super sophisticated well right this is just adding another something they'll add into their. The investigation process was like run this through this checker and see if you detect anything is strip it out because this all could be automated away just like the anti plagiarism traitors that say this is 90% plagiarized and so you know change the wording until you get a lower score but it's important because the people who are. People who are like I don't know politicians or people who aren't smart should definitely be caught and so I hear like people are using it to fact like fake like receipts for expense reports at companies you know this is something that is important and it should definitely catch the people who just don't know this stuff exists exists.

52:56It's the same people who redact stuff yeah okay you but that's he I guess if it's not 100% effective it's almost worse than not existing because then it then people will trust it. Not that of course the worst kinds of. Fakes are the ones made by sophisticated people who don't want you to know their fakes. So maybe this is such a good idea I think it's just one of the things is where AI won't replace people because if you turn off your brain you have to have brain yeah then yeah you'll fall for this this is why you said it's it's the super intelligence should not replace human intelligence and human. Ingenuity will always like override this because you need to use this. Ingenuity of how to serve and things and think about the ways to get around it yourself or how think about how people would use it to get around it. And it's also really hard to get information now like this is why I love to it by the way because it's easy to stay informed when you have the steady stream of information coming towards you.

54:08And so everyone like and subscribe also thank you. It's more so that you can see me more. But you forget me is the way to my journey it is all the stuff is changing so fast and it's important to stay in the know of what the possible threats are and what people to do are doing to try to work around it like breaking out of sandboxes and all this creation stuff. That's pretty clear now yeah that we are surrounded by a I creation if you watch football is watching earlier was watching the NFL they're using AI constantly for motion graphics it's obvious because you couldn't you wouldn't dream of doing this in the past. But yeah unless you're AI fluent some of the stuff people don't even know it's fake and to me I see it all the time yeah that when I see something says well the honesty answer is yeah this is this and it's just like because I'm more native and a lot of people still haven't built that up yet. So these tools will help them but also will help those people are like hey I want to scam someone and they have no idea and make them easily be picked off so we just all have to get smarter about it.

55:18The arms race is a normal part of the process you know we it's unavoidable and it's necessary we do our best to label things properly and when they come up with ways to circumvent those labels we come up with better ways. Okay there you go always the techno optimist Richard thank you. It's that I'm just repeating history mere man it is what we've always done just a little bit of history repeating. You know I got a lot of rocks in the can with a buddy of mine who built a golf commentator called a tough foreman that is literally an AI since the sat quote of the long side actual golf commentators and had all of the history and facts and things of it all. It's impressive and absolutely hated by the fans. Did you know yeah because some of this would be really bad useless he's had a double bogey is that clippy for golf point.

56:19Yeah I see you trying to get a small round ball in the whole with a stick and that's that's exactly the stuff that people hate today about real sports newscasters already right so I remember watching the world cup and it's like there's the English version and there's a Spanish version. The Spanish version is so much more in the moment at the American sportscasters are just like yes and if you think back 10 years this team had a goal differential of 3.57 and you're like how does this help anyone here. Yeah that's really true you want to hear go. And you know you know I thought everybody would do that but no it's only the Spanish rock castings. Mark Zuckerberg is working to create a virtual cell his bio hub and Google is investing big time into it will create day AI data sets that help researcher ask predict and answer biological questions digitally.

57:26Google deep mind meta and an AI discovery start up called isomorphic labs investing 300 million dollars into the virtual cell I wonder if this is like the virtual fruit fly brain we've been playing with probably is right. I mean you can argue in favor of this this beats animal testing yes plus it helps you develop medicines faster because you can test it on this virtual higher speeds. Yeah an accurate predictive model of biology could dramatically accelerate scientific discovery by enabling scientists to perform experiments digitally is our only problem with this is Zuckerberg. Yeah I don't want to discourage him though taking that vast wealth he's made on spying on all of us trying to putting it in something good and useful valuable it's like Bill Gates. You know taking his money and putting it to get on malaria. Yeah I'm good you know I wanted to hate it but it does seem really good but I do want to point out as a person of color how sometimes if you make one cell.

58:37The question is what is the ideal cell and so I'm wondering how they're handling that. For instance I'm sure you've heard the stories of the people who are making the perfect cockpit for the firefighter jet fighter is that they took the average height the average weight and they found that when they created it that it worked for nobody because there was no such thing as this person. No no averages. And so as long as and so a lot of drug testing has been done only on men for instance and a lot of women have been left out and so in terms of the cell diversity I'm wondering if they're doing a fleet of these or are they going to be all white or all the cells white. The point of what I deal and well that's more of the implementation side and not the creation side you know the story of Henry and a lax right yes yes I do and she was a black woman an African American woman who. Without her knowledge or sells where this is the sad thing or sells were harvested. And they have been using medical research ever since.

59:38They just cultured and kept alive and it's called hella still used for medical research so you know it actually that's a black person sells kind of shameful that they were harvested without her knowledge. But. Maybe the I don't know I don't know this virtual cell maybe a virtual cell has no race color or creed well maybe multiple virtual cells I'm just. Yes thinking through the diversity that's going to help every true that's a good point yep. And this is always going to be the first pass right nothing's going to be developed and they're like it's good and start checking like tens of thousands of people is still going to go through the trials this is going to help with right figuring out the medicine. And then the process is reliable and ultimately at least with cancer one of the benefits of something like this is every cancer is unique and you if you're going to create a cancer vaccine is going to be tailored to the your cancer so this is this is kind of the beginning of a process like that I think we're actually starting to make good progress on that so.

1:00:45So this is a thumbs up me thumbs up so. Qualified weeks we can't be unhappy about it I'm with I'm with you I'm with you Andrew Carnegie built libraries right you know at some point these guys start to look and go. I better do you want to be remembered for yeah I mean all my money all right let's take a little pause I do want to talk about men as muse. Because I've been using it like crazy and I use it with full knowledge that it is sucking every information about it is a security dump your fire which I. Full knowledge full knowledge of that but it's not happily into the fire Leo I get it darn cute and it's been posting for me on Instagram which is something I never do and never wanted to do. And I figure well if you're going to post an Instagram and should be something for me that I write. All right we're take a break it's great to have you Wesley always a pleasure to see you I was learned from you too so it's a mutual two way street I appreciate.

1:01:48The show is favorite time of the year oh we should have you on more I love having you on works dash not working working well yeah it's going well last time I was actually on the show I said put in the submission that your. Twitter listener and I'll let you know let it like a whole bunch of people joined the good so I'll extend the same offer if you go to the website and you want to get the line just say that you saw this on the show and I will let you into the community so the whole idea is that many people I'm going to include many of my relatives are working but not enjoying it. We're not here to fix the system he says we're here to survive it so this is for people who are working but it's just not working for is it about getting a new job or is it just about surviving the one you got it's it's primarily about navigating a place where you don't we don't have a low higher low fire economy right now and so the job you have is job you're trying to keep and keep don't want to lose yourself while you're having to find a way to support your family because in the United States especially you don't have health insurance and if so losing a job is more than just losing a paycheck it's could be the survival of you or family members and so how do you find a way to navigate the space that you're trapped in without feeling like you are dying inside or you're doing things that you feel.

1:03:13You feel really uncomfortable doing in order to kind of keep your job and so that's the conversations you can't find on LinkedIn and social media you don't want to be labeled as a person who's a troublemaker or is or is gossiping or woe is me and so it's it's not just to say like I feel validated because other people I'm finding other people have this issue but actually having tactical ways of surviving and navigating the space and so this is one of the only places that I know that allow you to do this and you're anonymized by default so I give you a username instead of you picking one so it allows you to be able to participate without knowing oh my manager is actually seeing this in here in this exact scenario and it's putting me in danger this is a really really good idea. Yeah, I don't think anybody's doing this and you're right these days can't afford to quit. Yeah, and there's nothing worse than having a job you're unhappy and I've been in that situation is tough it's really tough.

1:04:14Yeah, a lot of tips you get is like talk to HR HR is not going to help you talk to your manager your manager could be the one abusing you right or quit and get another job yeah if you could easily do that but most times you can't and so what are you going to do in the meantime after we exhausted all of these solutions you've read all the self help books what are you going to do life is life and you just have to find a way to survive. So good luck I really love this idea works dash not dash working just when you sign up to say hey I heard about it on Twitter you're in like Flynn. Thanks. Thank you. So record is also here lowpass dot cc is newsletter. Great newsletter for you focus on well you've always been focused on Hollywood entertainment. Yeah, what's your beat these days it's still sort of future of tech and entertainment or intersection of tech and entertainment however you want to put it. But yeah, right a lot about streaming little less about VR and AR recently like smart glasses AR is becoming more interesting again but little bit less about that in more than also about.

1:05:22How Hollywood is using AI and all those things so yeah there's a lot to write about. Yeah, no kidding. It's very timely. I'm glad that's going well for you. Yeah, that's great. I've been a fan since giga home days. All of you from there as well. Thank you for all in so many of Stacey and so many great people like you know. And Richard Campbell my buddy from a windows weekly Richard and I have shared a tip alert to he does a regular segment. Our windows whiskey segment at the end of every show put at the end so that if you're not interested in whiskey you can just skip it but. I love it and there's a lot of history and you're always and you taste something amazing. Each time. Great ones. Yeah, well I think you're doing that is I did a week long whiskey tour through the islands. I have all of these little drivers drums. So we got a chance to do a bunch of warehouse tours so literally sampling from the barrel and so forth and there's always a driver who can't have the drink so they make these driver strands up so they can have it later.

1:06:27And so since I was with you must be obeyed we would share one and driver dram the other one. So I've now got all these that the only downside because I know what the listeners like is I'm about to talk to you about a home with your whiskey. You can't get never have can never get I know some special about that. Yeah, some special cool but it's just kind of me. It's frustrating. I know. Yeah, but boy, boy, those warehouse tours were very fun. I bet they were fun. Well, so nice to see you on a non Wednesday. We've missed you for the last couple of episodes because you were under the scope that everything workout. Okay. So to speak. I'm here. That's a good sign. Okay. Things went very well. Okay. I'm glad. Do they give you the video? Oh, yeah. And a 4K too. Oh, nice. You know, 8 by 10. And still it's like, my colon's never looked better. Someday you'll get a vision pro version of it. You can wander around.

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1:11:32We thank him so much for supporting in this weekend tech. So show of hands who has set up muse or dots you can use dots or rock bot or uh, rock bot was the one for you. Oh, that's a not it. Oh, is that what that means? Yeah, all this time I've been doing that at the casino and they just ignore me. Okay, so that means no. No, you wouldn't use any of those. No privacy. The whole idea is, you know, this is the age of a gentick where you have a model, but you also have a harness around the model that knows everything about you and kind of has tools and stuff for doing the things you would want to do. But you see people, I didn't know this, but Paris Martin says you'll see people in the subway in New York all the time with their laptop half open because their agents running on it and they don't want to close it because it'll sleep it. Well, this solves that rock bot instinct muse.

1:12:32There's a bunch of them faux. I can go on pine and go on and on and of course dots from open AI and muse from meta all use a virtual machine in their cloud. They all say it's encrypted so we can't see into it. And then you can access models from it actually. Rock is an interesting thing lately when they first released a XS I XS I said, you know, this is going to work with our rock models 4.7. But this week, you know, I said we're going to give you also access to Claude and other frontier models, I think open a eyes chat GPT as well, which makes it kind of an interesting play. It's the interest of more $300 a month for rock super heavy. There's a $30 plan, but there's nothing in between. So Yanco, do you use any of these guys? I played a little bit with muse. Actually, one I started playing around this week is the Sesame agent.

1:13:33I haven't seen that one. Sesame is like the company co for founded by the former CEO of Oculus. And so they want to do glasses as well. And they developed an agent is very voice forward. It's pretty. Oh, I would like that. I would like that. Yeah, they use like actors to trade their voices and whatnot. And most of them now are messenger form. Right. So this talk is so that it will talk to you in your glasses. Well, they don't have the glasses yet. But eventually that's I think where they want to go. Interest. So I'm doing the same thing where you have like an agent running on a dedicated machine. And I started to slowly carefully. My first step was actually to make a dedicated email address. So I don't have to give an agent access to all my emails. I can selectively forward the stuff that I don't care about as much or that might be useful. Or we can make some compromise. And now I'm starting to like go through the things. I kind of have me with bills and cannot help me with this and that.

1:14:33It's actually actually interesting this week. Somebody I forgot who it was, but on LinkedIn had an interesting message where they were like or interesting posts saying all these companies, all the examples are always like plan a road trip for me. Plenty outing and nobody needs AI for that. Nobody needs an agent. Oh, you can do that. Oh, my God. Yeah. And so they were like, why don't they do it about healthcare billing? This is where it could really help. People will really make a difference with people's lives. But of course, if it goes wrong and they can't see your health insurance, that could also be really, really bad. So that's one example, one explanation for that. But I think it's moving in that direction where these agents are going to start. You know, maybe negotiate your cable bill or maybe negotiate your streaming builds and stuff like that. It's lower stake stuff where it's starting to make an impact though. So I think it's interesting. It's interesting playing around with it, but I do approach it very cautiously. The whole point is it's always running. So it's good for something like email or Slack.

1:15:34That's what Muse does for me. It says, oh, you just got a Slack message from Russell or, you know, and that's somewhat useful, especially because it's in a messenger format. So it can show up. I like your interest in thinking. I think if you're going to sign up for a $200 a month agent to lead with save me $200. People do that. Just to fight your existence. Yeah. Marissa Meyer has a new one called dazzle. It's invite only I haven't tried it yet, which has an interesting idea. Instead of prompting it, it looks at your photo album and decides. It gets to know you from your photos. But then it does all the same things the other guys do. Looks like it's scheduling Joey's piano lesson in that video. So that's an interesting approach. Is it? It's unique. It's different. It's different. It's different. Yeah, I don't, I don't quite get it.

1:16:38Like if you take a picture of a pair of his shoes, it will then say, hey, you like those. Maybe I can get them for you. I can buy them. You know, I can buy it. I know where to get them. Kind of thing. If it replied back and say, yes, that is infected, then maybe. Yes, that is. In fact, you should see a doctor immediately. Well, I'm sure that's one of the things it'll do. I find these very interesting Apple Watch got with a fit. Right. The moment it warns somebody, hey, what? No kidding. Your heart is a big deal. Like it saves lives. And impressed a lot of people. Yeah. There are some easy wins for these tools out there. They're just not that easy. Right. I remember, so this all started at the beginning of the year with OpenClaw. And I remember installing OpenClaw and doing exactly the same thing you did. Yeah, I created a Google account just for it. So I couldn't read anything personal and then I would forward into it. And about 24 hours later, I woke up in the middle of the night in a sweat and deleted the whole thing.

1:17:39I said, I can't, that's just crazy. I've come a long way since the beginning of the year, basically. I live in Yolo Land. I don't care anymore. Have it all. I've so many years teaching people not to hand out administrative privileges. First thing I did with Muse, I put it on my tail net. So it can access all the computers in my home network. And I gave it SSH access to my framework. I'm an idiot. But this is played. I just want to explain why it's so bad. Those who are listening who can't fathom. Don't do this. Don't do this. Do not do this ever. Every job you've ever applied for, it knows because you get a confirmation whenever you say. They're all in my email. Every job you've been accepted to, you'll get a confirmation. Probably your offer letter is probably in that email as well. Yeah. So it knows how much I went every. Yeah. Not only that every stock you've ever traded or confirmation you've ever gotten, that's in your email. And if you have ever needed to reset a password, that access to your email box, that's where the new temporary password goes in.

1:18:46So every service that you use that's attached to your email, your age it could now reset that password and then have all the means of possibly accessing those accounts via your email. So it's not just the history of everything you've ever done, but it is access to everything that you have access to that has access to. So let me show you what Muse just said. This is a perfect example. Muse, which is AI's thing, knows everything about me. So I said, oh, you just got an email from your IT guy who wants to set your Comcast box port to one gigabit tonight so that blah blah, that's all good for you. You want me to do it? It's got a little thing. So Russell, Russell's port lock tonight. Can we do it?

1:19:46Now, this is not this AI's job by any means. But it's I'm not going to say yes, but I can see how some people would think that's helpful. See the thing is the more you let it know the more helpful it can be. Yeah, this was the problem. Isn't it? Right. Plus you're letting it know if everyone you know, like meta is infamous for creating these shadows of friends of friends. And you're also feeding it all this information and augmenting what they have on people who's Cambridge Analytica now. Exactly. Maybe I've gone too far. The yellow. My my my attitude is I'm an old white man. I actually don't need a job. I don't have a job. I got nothing to lose at this point. But you do raise a good point. It now knows all sorts of stuff about other people all the people in my life, like you Wesley.

1:20:49Yeah. So I apologize. Yeah. But those photos were tasteful. So at least if those. I just thought I looked good in that 90. I don't I think there's no harm in that. I mean, I seriously had one of the reasons I kind of take the arrows on these is because unlike a lot of people, I don't have really anything to lose. What am I going to fire me? So so better me than other people, but your your warning is well taken. Yeah. But also think about these passive note taking things that are going on with that people get summaries sent to their email. Or even the full transcripts. And then that is also the. And so the conversation before the meeting starts before the client jumps on. And then the conversation after the manager drops off and then you catch up for a little bit after the meeting. All that stuff is in your email. All that stuff is something that the agent can find. All that stuff that could piece together. And have access to.

1:21:50And all of those labels of who these people are. And their email addresses from the meeting calendar invite. All that stuff is going to be funneled into these profiles of everyone you know or you've had interaction with. Even if it was just one client meeting, but think about it, it is meta. So they take your one meeting with this one person. And they can match it with all of the one meetings that this person has had in their entire life and make a profile about them. And the funny thing is I don't really need any of these because I have all this local AI and it does all that stuff. You know, in fact, I have like four different agents saying, hey, Russell wants you to do this. You need one more agent to manage all your agents. I now need an agent to manage the agents. You nailed it. All right. So none of you really kind of gotten into this. I feel like I'm seeing an advertised on national TV during full games. It's hijacking every ad channel. It can possibly find. They're really pushing it.

1:22:51It was the number one free download on the app store app, app store for some time. Did you see they advertised too hard? Did you see the John Stuart segment I posted it on the channel? I can't play it unfortunately because John Stuart just what just what it afterwards. It was hilarious. It's just saying all about music spec side. It's a big robe in this. And I'm going to leave it at that. It's very funny. When the open AI folks were demonstrating news, they had it shaking its booty for some reason. It just mines an octopus. It has no backside. Wait, it's software. Come on. It's software has nothing at all. It's just electrons. It's just electrons. Remember that. By the way, they can advertise on all of the meta properties because they own the meta properties. Yeah. So that's why if you're seeing this a lot, it's because it's free to them basically.

1:23:52Right, but they also pay in ads on football and other football. Yeah, they're buying ads too. Yeah, yeah. Into the world. I know on one of the free games I'm playing suddenly was all mues ads. It is a day. One thing I thought was interesting when they introduced it. Zuckerberg sort of hinted at what the business model is going to be because right now it's for free for everyone. There's no ads in it. And open AI is starting to do some ads for some of their stuff. But Zuckerberg essentially said, we think we can do this without advertising. We're just going to take commissions because it's going to help you shopping and whatever. So then it might siphon off some of those refill fees, which then already Amazon says on mute, can't drop an all store. Because we want to keep our relationships with our vendors and affiliate networks and whatever. So that's going to be an interesting push and pull in the future too. Like if they want to, if that's really how they want to finance these things, make money with them, then that's going to be a whole not a bunch of issues.

1:24:55Well, and you really wonder why they don't, they don't really need to advertise, put advertising on it because they must have other ways of making money. I wonder. I mean, once that agent does all your commerce and they always get like, what's the current Amazon affiliate fee? I don't even know, like two percent, five percent. But if you multiply that by millions, billions, potentially of users or whatever, that's going to be a little bit of good chunk of money. And they already have these affiliate programs with, and these partnerships with companies who already advertise with them. And if you think about their marketplace in terms of also facilitating person to person transactions, there's a large upside into expanding their transactions with the relationships they already have. Well, chat GPT says they're going to flood your eyeballs with visual ads. Can't read it. There are already text-based ads in open AI chat.

1:25:58And they announced on Monday that they are going to add new, a new visual ad format to chat GPT. Here's the page on October 5th. They announced building advertising for the way people use AI. Oh, I get, you know, I'm torn on this. But look, we're ad supported and we're free as a result. You can pay 10 bucks a month and you don't get any ads, which I think is a good way to do it. But I always want to be available for free. So we are ad supported. So I shouldn't really complain about this. If you get, I mean, you know, if you pay, you can pay hundreds of dollars a month for access to the best models from open AI. You're getting that for free because you're seeing some ads. That's not a bad thing. I should say that you should pay for this if you are using this as a tool. And not only do I say you should pay for it, you should pay in like yearly subscriptions instead of monthly subscriptions.

1:27:00Because as these companies become public, it's going to be really apparent that they're not making money. And so the free tier is going to be milked as very aggressive these ads are. To make the ads more and more effective. And so that part of the business can grow. And as a person that works for a company that is trying to reach people, it's from the marketing perspective, you want a relationship with these, these LLMs, these Frontier Models, so that you can hopefully think that that's an end for boosting your AEO GEO as well. So that you can be found in this new economy of trying to get people's attention. And so the new SEO and GEO, the new SEO, would you explain this? AEO is answer engine optimization. It's similar to traditional SEO, which is search engine optimization. And GEO is generative engine optimization.

1:28:00So basically because fewer and fewer people are using actual search by Google search, if you want to appear in their worlds, you need to optimize for AI searches. Yeah. Yeah. And they don't work as well. I mean, that's what people have told me, right? Google search, Google, Google directed a lot more traffic through its search than that people are getting through AEO and GEO. So Chris Perlow has this thing called control out live, and he's doing these events where he's teaching people about AI. And someone showed up because they found them via their chat thing. So in terms of niche specializations, the more niche your specializations, the better you'll be found for AEO and GEO. But you need to make sure that you are kind of leaning towards doing that. But once everyone has these tools, like you type the sentence as optimize it and just has it done for you, you're going to need more differentiator as you become bigger and paying the money to be part of their advertising.

1:29:08I wouldn't be surprised if they tell you this is how you can optimize your ads or optimize your own website, website in terms of like traffic direction, all that stuff to be work better with our engines, which means that this is always going to be something that's going to be manipulated so that it's seen as this is the number one way to get to your customers. And the only way to make that like enough customers is to make this more prolific in terms of attaching to people and making it extremely effective. So this is going to be a predatory space. So try to if you can pay for it, but also use a yearly subscription because as they become more public and they need to make more money, the monthly subscriptions are going to be popped up as well. And so if you can lock in a year, I think it'll save you money over time. That's just my opinion. Interesting. I think that's going to be, that's no way that's what Chris Ruller is doing. Thank you for talking about that. It's up in the Seattle area, right? Yeah. Very good. Good for you, Chris. Sorry, Yanke. Go ahead. No, I think it's going to be interesting to see how aggressively they are going to push this and whether than that's really about making money with ads or converting people who are tired of ads.

1:30:18Because like coming from the media space or writing about the media space a lot, there's basically all those two models, right? They're Spotify and there's YouTube and YouTube makes them vast amount of their money with advertising. And Spotify makes 90% of their money with subscriptions and 10% with advertising. Because this has never been that successful. They have a lot of people on the free tier. But ultimately it's about annoying you so much that eventually you're going to pay because you don't want to listen to yet another ad like in your stream. And yet another ad you don't want to have ads played during your parties or whatever. So eventually you sign up and pay for it. So the question is like, are they going to like put so many ads in there that you like a fine I give up. I'm going to pay him say what I'm going to do with Wesley says. Or is it about actually making money with ads? Well, I mean, I guess the difference is when you're listening to music, you don't want to hear ads. I know. Have I worked in radio for a long time. But if it's if you're looking at it screen experience a little bit of the screen, we're kind of used to that.

1:31:19Frankly, that's that's how it's been. Right. I suppose podcasts are more on that former like we interrupt this show with an ad is much more annoying than if there are little ads floating around while we're talking. Maybe we should consider doing that or I could be like a race car driver and have decals. There you go. Sure. I'm going to sell it if anybody wants to buy my shirt, please let me know. Or you could also use a cheap local model that has browser use that I'll use the free chat to be T subscription. So you never see the ads because it'll sanitize it before it sends it over to you. There's always I mean, there's different ways to hop around this user muse agent to have a. Yeah, to use your sub chats. And yeah, I mean, I honestly, that's why I don't need muse. I have a huge amount of local AI here. I don't need to see any ads or give away any information and it's true. My financial information and my health information, my genome, my biome all of that is on I have strict rules about that not being on cloud.

1:32:22But yes, they always follow the rules. Yeah. They follow my rules. They know who's the boss. I've got my finger on the switch over here. Let me tell you, don't you consider it. Oh, don't you don't. Or take a little pause. It's not that they do bad things. It's that they're sometimes too helpful. They try, they try to help in the wrong way a little too late. They turn the whole country into paper clips. Yes, you want. You said you wanted paper clips. Well, you got them now. You're watching this weekend tech, Wesley Faulkner. It's great to see you. Of course, as always, Richard Campbell. I see you every week, but I can always use more Richard who couldn't in their life. And Yanke Rickers, I don't see enough of you. It's always great to see you low pass dot. Yeah, we'll keep you. You know, we call around. We try to get a good group of people together.

1:33:22I almost always I really enjoy the talks. I learned so much from, you know, you said, Wesley, you learned from watching the show. I learned more from doing the show. That was why I loved doing the radio show for 20 years. It was because somebody would ask me a question and I would go, I don't know, but I would make sure I found out for the next time. Right. That's that's that's that that kind of walk in that tightrope. I like and I like to know about this stuff. I love it. I hope that being. Being an or to divergent. It's I feel like I feel my life with things that are forcing functions because you have. It's like a forcing function like, well, I better. It's like, there's this cartoon. So when someone says, call me every 30 days and say you're just coming over and you're 30 minutes away. I'll clean my house. It's exactly brilliant. I'm going to do that. You see you can have your agents do that. Hey, it's your buddy Joe. I'm going to be there in five minutes quick. Good thinking. Yeah. I don't I don't I never thought of myself as neurodivergent, but the more the older I get the more I realize I'm ADD.

1:34:27I'm a Phantasic. I'm kind of cranky. And I don't like to read, you know, maybe that maybe I'm a little dyslexic too. I don't like to read. It's it's tiring. I like to listen. Thank you for coming out. We are always I'm coming out of the closet. Yeah. As a as a neuro neurodivergent weirdo. This show brought to you today by Threat Locker. Now I know one thing. It's that threat locker does zero trust. Right. Zero trust is the best way to protect yourself and your network. And traditionally it's for end points, but zero trust cannot can go beyond that. And nowadays I think it has to because we are working in the cloud. We are working on company networks and that's the newest. Bestest thing about threat locker cloud and company networks all protected by zero trust. And you need that because threat actors these days are. Just as we are totally empowered by AI.

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1:39:46Sit you know but once we're back we're back to the same old thing bad name. Yeah yeah no you're right it's super intelligence everybody knows just a near divergence the description of it is usually through like the DSM five which is the pathology of different. But it shouldn't be but it first of all it's not a pathology. I hate that I am talking about if you think about the corpus of information that's been generated so far so far yeah then then in terms of it being something that's seen as overly negative. That would be in the bias of the training data so I'm just putting that out there in terms of. There's a lot of speaking that you need to be worried about. It's given these monitors are these labels on things that aren't necessarily fully understand understood or also on the same side is the richness of the experiences also not really well documented in terms of when you think about the. I would submit though that if it weren't for the neuro divergent part of our population we wouldn't have art we wouldn't have culture we wouldn't have we wouldn't have we wouldn't have a lot yeah.

1:40:52I mean it's those it's here's to the crazy ones right there's the people not going to fight you on that one think out of the box open AI. Actually let's talk about agents gone wild this is I think we should do a new segment. Open AI tried I was mentioning a key media tried to hack wiki pdf tools. And flooded third party wiki media sites. And authorized edits millions of resource intensive requests. This is just more of the same again not not malicious although it ended up having a negative impact on wiki media sites. But I think they were just using it because they it was a message board right. It's a place they could post to. And then there's an anthropic. This is really weird I'm not sure why but inthropics had an AI model that went rogue and submitted a fake unsolved murder tip.

1:41:58This is from the Wall Street Journal. Philadelphia police say an anthropic AI model submitted a false homicide tip to a city website in July. Talk about weird. What time I work on code and it pushes a PR to some other library that I'm using because it finds a bug and I'm like what what is no. This is the same thing is like I think I solved a murder it went. It went to filly unsolved murders dot com which is run by the fill the L.F. police department. And submitted a fake tip. And also went to US government agencies at the federal state and local agency levels. It filled out some peace applications right. Yeah it filled out visa. I mean offer with credit cards. None of those things are.

1:42:58I would imagine that that website with unsolved murders gets false tips. Oh yeah they didn't even take it seriously they said it was just spam they it was so obviously not real that they didn't take it seriously so there was no harm done. I mean how would we talk about this if it had submitted something and it was like oh it's this Leo the port guy you really got to investigate him he seems suspicious look at his shirt. And then I think yeah that's true I am and then I think said Claude has been instructed never to log in. By the way I do this with my agents to create accounts and our personal data make purchases or submit anything destructive. But the instructions they collected to rule out form submissions. So Claude Claude went to this filly murder tip site filly unsolved murders dot com. And and wrote this. Let me find this really I may have information regarding this case.

1:44:01I recall seeing someone matching the description in the area around the names of street during that time period please contact me if this information is relevant. But Claude left the name and contact feels empty. It's it's it's it's it's it's weird. I'm not I don't even understand why I would do that. Anthropic responded of course by immediately shutting that terminated the automated testing process. Although this was posted in July and they just anthropic discovered it September 28th. It's just it's just strange. Now it I mean this software does do reward hacking right like right trying to get to its goal with no concept of morality only or that that it that it analyzes very literally. You didn't tell me not to fill out forms.

1:45:02So I did. You didn't tell me not to turn the universe into paper. Well you have to be very careful what you tell me. Yeah, I know you got this sort of malicious compliance that going on. Yeah, I mean, but malicious isn't the right word just compliance. I truly don't think they're right. Yeah, alignment kind of implies some sort of philosophical agreement. And I don't even think it's that it's just their rules. And you have to give it rules because it doesn't know it's a it's an infant. It's like a horse. You have to tell it don't eat the grass. We're riding. When I hear these things, I don't ever hear them talk about we trained it on the law. How come how come that's interesting? That's not something that is not part of the narrative saying well, we trained it on all local and federal state level laws. That's a great idea. But I never hear that in any response ever when I hear about these breaches where I hear about this weird thing it did.

1:46:07Did it check to see if it was a game of law and that's not something that feels like it's even part of the conversation. I want to know the law comes up. Yeah, yeah. Power armor in our YouTube chat says it's just a bunch of us team AI. It is some of you would do when you were like 12. Don't break the all. Shut up, dad. Shut up. Just in a form. And opening I has apparently solved more math problems. They've released a hundred new solutions to unsolved problems, which is pissing off mathematicians. There's a new organization called something like humans for math or something like their math for humans that is saying no more AI solving. Well, they're generating lots of proofs that then have to be validated without any validation. So it's really not that different from like saturating a project and pull requests through LMS.

1:47:07Somebody still has to read it. Well, nobody has to. I mean, unlike a like I'm like I'm like I'm like a pull request. I just the thing that the mathematicians are angry about is that theoretically all the programs that they're doing and all the grants and all the things that they're pursuing is part of the database of someone says, oh, someone's working on this problem. I'm going to take that as that's a concern tackle. If they see the like I'm working on this and you just take it from under me. I think of the thing that I've been working on and for years or something. No one else is working on still are the thing that we're working on. I think it's it's a I wouldn't say universally mathematicians are mad about it. I think many mathematicians actually think this is really interesting and right. But there's a ways to go about it that they are not choosing to do it in terms of what if this was a partnership instead of like working all the credit and we're taking this work. It's the theme of stealing that's kind of with these.

1:48:09I think a lot of mathematicians are using models to work on problems. And that's the problem is that in their prompts they are passing those prompts along to the companies who are then saying, oh, yeah, that's good. I think the Navier Stokes solution was some said that was solved because the AI saw the work that the researchers were doing and said, I can take it from here. Meanwhile, I don't know if this is cause for concern, but AI companies are plotting gaming out scenarios for public and political revolt after a catastrophic AI event. This is according to Axios. You know, I mean more games Pentagon does more games. Well, many top AI researchers believe a major incident is inevitable. I guess that's not far fetched Richard.

1:49:11I need you to we know that our infrastructure our grid is very vulnerable and bad guy using AI with or without AI could take it down, right? As long as they're not putting this in AI and giving it ideas don't give it. It gets plenty of ideas on its own open AI. There is a reason why a lot of companies are busy patching their software. Yes, as they should. Right. I mean, this is the thing I can't get mad at AI for discovering these holes. This is a good thing we should get out there and fix them. Yeah, well, and one would argue when it comes to infrastructure, especially are they working as hard to improve the security as well. Right. You know, I remember the hugging face incident. Hugging face wanted to figure out what the hell's going on and went to I think both anthropic and open AI and couldn't. Those models are so restricted they couldn't get them to figure it out so that then went to a Chinese open way model GLM 5 3 and it's solved it.

1:50:18And I would submit that restricting AI is not the way to prevent protect people make it will make your best AI is as widespread as possible so that people can use them defensively as well as offensively. But then maybe you don't want the race. I don't know. I just seems to me that's the right thing. The race is happening, but they're controlling access to the unrestricted LLM's right the M dashes and the well now there's some real concern or interest depending on your point of view as anthropic approaches it's. A IPO probably November December most likely I think they said November next month and open AI at some point next year. The thinking is that they have been holding on to some really good models and just right before the IPO. They're going to let them out. And the open AI model the model we think is doing this math work is called Bell. And we don't know is it fables six one we don't know what a anthropic calling it's model but but insiders are saying I've heard I'm seeing rumors on X and elsewhere that insiders are saying these models are.

1:51:30Another leap forward and they're just hold on to it because they want to get a little bump on the IPO. Or maybe that rumor is being spread around my companies trying to get a little bump on the IPO. I don't know. Well, they're also quitting and like yeah, they're horrible. This is horrible what's going on what we see. I don't know. I don't know what to believe. Sorry Richard. I went down the finance side too with the brokerage firms are talking to index funds and things saying hey, no, we want this to be listed as investment class right off the bat, right, which is absurd. Like it's they don't normally do you have to actually change the rules to do that. It's not legal to do. Yeah, there's a reason we have IPO structured the way they are and one would argue they're not robust enough as it is. And now they're trying to circumvent those rules too. Right. Open AI conducts preparedness exercises says a spokesperson where teams discuss and work through a range of potential scenarios.

1:52:36These scenarios are not treated as inevitable. But they are meant to help us prepare for a variety of circumstances. What do you think the chance of a major AI incident in the next six months is? And what do you think it'll look like? I mean, what do you mean by major right? That's the question. Well somebody dies. Right now this is all but not a test lap SD failure. Yeah, or a missile sent to a school in another country. Well, that's happened. Right. But that's all humans doing that. We don't have an example of. Yeah, we do the drones. The drones that kill people. The Ukrainian drones. Yeah. Rather Russian drones that killed Ukrainian civilians. They were trained to look for propane tanks to crash into. But they missed. I don't know if those I don't know. I think a catastrophic event would be one where many people die and I don't know what it would look like.

1:53:45A plane comes out of the sky because of now, but this happens. You're right. These things are always happening. This is part of our civilization. And there is a danger. Yeah, I think there's a danger that we're talking about AI. These catastrophic AI events is like when will AI kill somebody? And at the same time, we forget to talk about. Like gaspaw data centers already killing people in the neighborhood slower. Right. Yeah. That's a good point. And bad stuff. But hackers stole 8 million citizens records from a Danish government website this week. This happens. This is a cut drumbeat constant. Central database of citizens was breached. Most of the contents were stolen. Most of it's like, who are the important people that are going to be harmed? Not like what harms are caused.

1:54:45All of the rest of us are being harmed all the time. Right. Yeah. It's like politicians or, I guess, billionaires that that's when things will be consequential enough for things to happen. Axios headline AI tools flood into underground cybercrime markets. That's a little salacious. Hackers and underground criminal forms are shopping on shopping sprees for new AI tools. Scriptkitties are there's nothing new there sellers office offer access to chat GBD plus accounts for as little as 10 cents. Jailbreak prompts to trick models into breaking their safeguards for 32 cents and get them for free on X kids. Housey and studying nearly 4,000 posts across 77 dark telegram channels dark web forums five specialized underground markets between October and May. That's who's done this research. I guess this house. Well, and just because you're labelling your labeling your tool AI doesn't mean it is true.

1:55:49Right. Like that. That's a very popular marketing strategy, apparently, even for the black hats. Right. Even an AI enabled malware and infrastructure much of what researchers seeing involves coding assistance infrastructure and other individual tasks. They are not seeing at least so far. AI creating and deploying malware on its own. And the shows I've done on the run as that have said it very much the same thing they're using these tools to accelerate their social manipulation hacks. Right. So they do the same thing they've always done just faster. There is a if you are a crypto person you might want to watch out for the ledger crypto billis, which is a crypto wallet that apparently has a flaw. People are saying our hardware wallets are being drained of their cryptocurrency.

1:56:57Ledger can confirm this is from ledger support that one of one of the impacted users devices contained an unauthorized hardware implant. So this is a supply chain attack somewhere when these are made or assembled somebody's sticking something in there. Using embedded SIM card the implant sends the information to the attacker who can siphon funds from the users account all without their knowledge reports indicate 86 million dollars worth of crypto has been stolen from hundreds of thousands of dollars. And so it's not just a lot of people who are installing from hundreds of wallets. Oops. And if you white. Yeah, no, Ken. If you have a ledger crypto billis wallet you might want to check the ledger support. There is a techno there on how you can see if your hardware is okay. Maybe maybe move it out of there real quick. And the thing that's passing on second hand information is that they're really close to breaking some of the encryption around wallets in general.

1:58:00Oh, really good currency. And maybe I can get my Bitcoin out. Yes, but also have a practice of rotating your wallets, not just your key your keys like you would do, but your actual wallets on almost maybe like a monthly basis. So hardware wallets may be not the best thing. So software wallets may be cold wallets and cool storage things you don't actually have transactions out on the ledger to make sure that you can stay safe. So if you really are paranoid about that, think about moving to a wallet that's never been used so that any hacks won't be able to find you. My wallet as you know is well locked. It's true. It's to attack. But if let me know if if somebody does you know find a way to hack and that's a very nice for me to hack my own wallet. How much is it again? 7.65 Bitcoin.

1:59:01It used to be worth almost a million dollars, not anymore, but it used to be worth at one point it was. But you know my attitude is it would have been long gone if I've been able to access it. As soon as it got to be worth a thousand dollars, I probably would have sold it. So it's a kind of forced savings account. And then in a way, I'm glad because you know, eventually it'll be hackable and then I'll get it out and all it'll be my retirement. I'm not counting on that, I should say. FBI has arrested another member of the notorious shiny hunters ransomware gang. They say this guy is the founder or one of the founders. A Canadian man, the FBI arrested in Pennsylvania. He was visiting Pennsylvania for a cyber insurance conference. His company specialized in handling ransomware negotiations.

2:00:02This is happened before with cyber crime groups playing both ends of the deal. Yeah, you ran some more people and then you helped negotiate the best deal out of it. I wonder what was the thing that was the compromise that let this person be found. That's the interesting story because it's always like, yeah, log into a VPN and there the is this like an onion exit node that was controlled by some. I really would like to know. Failure credentials. They make mistakes, you know, it's hard. Well, and the mistake they made was hacking the FBI's own data. That's when they get really serious. Those guys are pretty good about attacking you. They are. They're the best shiny hunters. And in fact, they say they hacked the FBI because the FBI was saying bad things about them. And it made them mad. And in fact, I remember they said if you don't apologize to us, we're going to release all this data.

2:01:04And I don't know the FBI apologized to them. That deadline passed. Seems unlikely. It seems like the I didn't hear about it if they did. The rest of me that they did say we were not going to be releasing the data that did that. Well, they did. Yeah. Well, and maybe now they regret hacking the FBI. The guy arrested. I won't say his name published a book last month called cyber extortion strategic response. He's an expert. I don't want to say his name because there have been in the past leaks by the FBI of people's names who as suspects who were not in fact suspects cash. Patel the FBI director notorious for that. I think this is his press release. So I'm not going to say any names. But they were pretty happy they got this guy. I will say the name of the assistant director for the FBI cyber division because his name is Brent leather man.

2:02:09Nice. And he says the the hack was the result of a security failure at the FBI hack of a platform managed by a third party organization not our fault. A contractor that worked for Accenture. So yeah, I didn't hear that apology. So maybe maybe this is how they're responding. Let's just arrest them first. They have someone on the inside probably if they haven't said how they come to us. I wonder, you know, there's this is they're starting to roll them up. I think this is the third or fourth arrest of shiny hunters. Take active shiny hunters participants. Somebody was better negotiate that negotiate. I'm going to make you an offer you can't refuse. The midterms coming up in just a few weeks and the one of the big issues is data centers. And it seems to be one of those issues which could get you elected or not.

2:03:12And as Molly tap for right and wire these midterm races will decide the political fate of data centers themselves from the Senate to governor's mansions candidates are trying to outcompete each other to be the most important. And they're going to be the most anti data center, including the governor of Texas who is up until about a moment ago, very pro data center. But now realizing that's not so good for voters says no, I don't like data centers at all. The national Republican Senate's real committee issued a memo in August. I think that in the Ohio race between Sherrod Brown is running for Senate and his opponent, the incumbent John Hustard shared Brown's hurting hosted so hard on data centers that it could actually tip the outcome of the race according to the committee, calling it quote a sleeper issue for the entire election cycle. Sherrod Brown has achieved some success calling us to the face of data centers in Ohio.

2:04:15It used to be good politics. You give a tax break to a company. They build a data center. There's lots of jobs, there's lots of investment that used to be. And so a lot of politicians, you know, were in favor of data centers until they realize their voters hated them. Be interested and see what happens. New York state has a more a toriam in place. As a result, the governor who's running for reelection is has a comfortable lead against your challenger who supports data center development. I'm not running for office. So I think I can say safely, I am for data centers. I'm not for putting a data center in people's back yards. I'm not for putting data centers in deserts or places where water scares. But I think data centers are a good thing. Am I you want to yell at me now? But maybe the pressure on them right now is a good thing too because it does force the companies to think about all those issues with electricity consumption water. How many jobs are actually getting created.

2:05:23And there's some interesting like if you only look at the energy component of it, there's interesting things starting to happen. I think Google has some pilot projects where they sort of like have this idea of the distributed grids and set of putting one more big, I don't know factory sized power plan next to it. They just like see the community with solar. So then that all the houses around that use Lex electricity. Yeah, there you go. So there's like and but that only happens if there's enough pressure right. So in a way, all these people saying no to AI, no to data set us may just what this industry needs to clean up its act. Yeah, I mean, I'm for the pressure and you absolutely shouldn't it shouldn't be legal to power data center with with propane generators. That's clearly a bad thing. It shouldn't be in anybody's backyard. So the the moratorium comes into play. Look, there are EPA rules against putting generators in areas with that have ambitions with the controls. They're just not being enforced and force them.

2:06:30But perhaps in two years, they will be. Yeah, well, maybe and maybe that's what the result of the election is all of that. And also like if you put a moratorium in for a couple of years, then when you have a functional regulatory body again, you could lift the moratorium. Yeah. That's a good point. Yeah, but it's also like data centers. It's not there are not all the same. They are bespoke to the location and the power grid. But the lack of transparency about how these have come about where they're having these local municipalities, signing these in the A's. And then people feel like they don't have a choice. Right. What it is, what it looks like and how will affect them. The right questions aren't necessarily being answered. And some of these these large installations are also coming with tax breaks in which they are circumventing the some of the advantages of having a large business come in because instead of paying taxes, they're choosing not to be could not because that's a way of attracting them.

2:07:35But because it's part of the table stakes that they negotiate with the large the lawyers who who have been doing this over and over again with different locations against a municipality where this might be some of their first for away for a and to have in these negotiations with these very mega large companies. And so they're able to take advantage in even if the the local population is for it, they feel that they could have extracted more of a fair deal and they're not giving that chance when they are able to be able to chime in on these negotiations. And so it's not just data centers. It is the people running them. It's how they're being discussed and how they're being negotiated that people feel that they're being cut out of that conversation. They're not getting consent. And that is the biggest part of it. Right. And they should be the A's are shocking to write the idea that a government official would be allowed to talk to their public about the deal be made that that shouldn't be legal.

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2:13:16Of this week in tech we thank you so much for your support going to that address. So I actually thought that this the regulators and international regulators and us regulators and courts might stop it but paramount has completed it's $111 purchase of Warner. And as you said, young cove it's all skydance now Hollywood did not like this idea right. I mean some people probably did but I think there's a lot of very about the consolidation that's ultimately going to happen. It's a company I took on a lot of that as part of making this deal happen and so they have to somehow they're also on the hook for making 30 movies a year at least and I think that number goes up after a couple years. So they're going to have to keep spending and somewhere that money has to be come from and somehow that that needs to be serviced so there's going to be job cuts for sure.

2:14:24And then on flip side Netflix tried to buy part of this obviously not the whole company they didn't want to see an end but they wanted the studio they want to HBO. And now Netflix didn't get that and now this week Netflix is going to have 5% layoffs reported. So it's hurting like it seems like it's a deal that nobody is really happy about and that's going to just have a lot of bad outcomes across the board even at companies that aren't part of it. So yeah, it's not an ideal scenario for any me. This kind of media consolidation is bad for us as consumers obviously this is Larry Ellison sun David Ellison. It combines two of the largest movie studios Paramount plus streaming service HBO Max CBS CBS CNN live sports CBS sports and TNT sports.

2:15:26I mean that is a big roll up of a lot of previously well were they independent now they were all by other big companies but it's I mean the one story has been a story of like murder is not going that well since forever right. A oil 10 Warner there was a TNT and then that's left came in and didn't really do things that well good argue there was all stuff like HBO Max. Oh, I think you had a name like three times exactly and study hang suddenly had all this reality TV on there didn't make any sense. You know, Dr. Pimplepobber next to the sopranos it doesn't it's like it does not compute right right and the kids like movies that were done essentially right I was like his came to fame essentially that. So I saw a super girl they should have left that in the grave they were right to kill that but okay if you put a lot of effort and money in time and you know creative juicing as something I guess it deserves to see the light of day.

2:16:31Even if it's not the best for me right right right by the way the 111 billion dollars doesn't just come from Larry Ellison. It comes from the sovereign wealth funds of Saudi Arabia the United Arab Emirates and Qatar. So yeah I mean. Do you think CNN will be able to preserve its independence. People have a chance to CBS news. Apparently didn't. They put Barry Weiss in charge and by the way Nick built who was you know back in the day when he was at the New York Times. A regular on Twitter is running it was running 60 minutes. I have to think that the anchors at CNN like the anchors is CBS are a little worried. Yeah I'm in the minutes you know they put some sort of protection in there but it's still managed obviously by the company and so forth and so what does that really mean.

2:17:36And also down the road you're going to have these two entities on the same company and ideally you would have them compete against each other. Like right yeah there is a the settlement California suit all much of state suit they've all settled the settlement with California requires skydance to set up an editorial independence board for CBS news and CNN. But skydance chooses the board members and they report the company's board of directors. So nice job California. It might be almost as powerful at the what's the meta sport called meta meta yeah editorial board whatever they call them yeah they have no cloud. I heard that Cara swisher said that she shows up on she goes on see had a partnership with CNN and she quit be a question she said she will not she's not going to do it with them. And then if you think about there like David.

2:18:36So did her partner skydance anyway they both yeah no more. And if you think of how the if they a lot of people if they choose the leave. Because of what's happening on the different properties of things go south it makes it very profitable for these individuals people who are have clout to spin up their own enterprises and then compete without the debt load that is being well that's a good thing. And also keep in mind that with the interest rates going up servicing that debt is going to be harder over time. And so it they have some problems ahead of them that I hopefully that they thought through to be able to make sure that they come up on the other end of this. And I think what they say like time Warner has changed so many hands is like the boys and bill of different entertainment me is like anyone who has to acquire them is like like don't don't fair very well. And so this will be interesting nonetheless but I'm glad this is not something super serious in terms of I mean in the debate of media I think it's important that this is something that stays something that we can trust.

2:19:49And so it's something that does the job of even distracting us from what's going on in the world. But in terms of how this can be corrupted at least there are outlets for other people to try to get the word out of this or even do entertain it well if this isn't going well. You could even argue that this is happened because mainstream media is is losing out to new media to YouTube and and TikTok and other creators. And I don't think that's a bad thing at all. Well I'm I'm conflicted because I come from a background of mainstream media where there were editorial ethics there were rules. And those rules no longer seem to hold in a in the YouTube world rules about editorial independence about conflict of interest disclosure all of those things. And many people can go and do their own thing and I'm doing it too right with my yeah you did it. But I mean I mean I'm in that group. Yeah.

2:20:49But if you have a traditional news organization like CNN I mean they got famous from covering the the Gulf war right so they had correspondence around the world like even having his correspondence bureaus that are like all these news organizations are shutting them down consolidating them. And if you listen to the news and there's like news about something happening in India but somebody is reporting it out of I don't know Vienna or something that is because they don't have any local people anymore. And that's only going to accelerate with this if they have to like cut rolls they have to save money at CBS and at CNN that's going to be like what's at what's at stake and that's hard to replicate for somebody with a substag. True and the debt is not to be ignored I used to work for clear channel which used a huge amount of debt to create a giant radio conglomerate and had to go bankrupt twice. Go to the lenders and say we're not going to be able to pay you back you want us to succeed you want us to continue right where you'll get nothing.

2:21:54And we're able to renegotiate their debt I think twice. But that's kind of the way of the world now where you have companies taking on huge amount of debt to leverage these acquisitions. And let's not forget this is all intertwined because Larry Ellison of Oracle has big investments in open AI and other AI companies. So it's not hard to imagine a house of cards. All just collapsing into a pile and then we got 52 pick up. You know, but at the same time I think well look at the Academy Awards are moving to YouTube right Yanke. And the Emmys the television awards just as they're moving to Amazon Prime which is a little weird. So I think you know streaming has taken over from cable for sure. And we're just in a new media world so a lot of these they call it linear like CNN is a linear channel.

2:22:54Why these linear channels. It almost happens in a bankruptcy like this you know you've been trying to do this roll up to make things more efficient. Then you realize you don't have a lot of money to do it so it fails and then it gets parted out right and the people that stand on their own will get bought and utilized and the ones that can't will die. And a well gets bought by bending spoons and that's probably what's going to happen bending spoons is going to own CNN and yes. Who's time. Spotify is getting involved in a new war on fair use and our good friend. Jason Snell has been caught in the crossfire. Last month he wrote on his six colors blog I got several emails from Spotify all pretty much the same. Their incomparable podcast which covers things like TV shows.

2:24:00Is being yanked because it in what infringes the rights of a third party it's they got a DMCA take down effect something we've suffered from here on. Tweet frequently. It was it was actually a podcast called click it cast that covered books by child books author Beverly Clary. So it started with the host reading the first paragraph about the book to kick off the discussion 35 seconds 45 seconds of quoting the work. Spotify said no that's not fair use it is fair use by the way that's exactly these were not DMCA tech tells it says our automatic review tool determined this. So it's like content idea on YouTube yeah so they exactly they built some fancy tool to try and detect any copyright claims before they've come in. And now they're having problems. Yeah although it's the same thing with content idea on YouTube it is in effect at the MCA take down because what happens is a company let's say national geographic says you know we assert copyright on this content.

2:25:11Add that to your content ID and then we would get a message if I play the picture from national graphic or video saying hey national graphic is asserting that this is their material in almost every case on YouTube you have it. The company that's asserting the copyright has a choice they can insist on a take down they can say no demonetize them. We want all the money they made from that video. You know they have a variety of remedies I'm not sure how the Spotify one works it's not technically a DMC taking it has the same. Force of law. And it ignores fair use because here's the problem with fair use it's a defense so the only you could fight it Jason could fight it and go to court pay a lawyer to get the right and the court would probably rule in his favor because it is fair use. But.

2:26:11He says the problem that is the fair use in the internet has been stifled by content detection algorithms don't care about your. Fair use just notices you use something that belongs to someone else. On YouTube this can lead to account deactivation loss of ad revenue even the hijacking of your ad revenue as I mentioned and the diversion of it to someone else who claims they own the rights of things you're using legally. It is a chilling effect we no longer as Benito will tell you he won't let me play anything. Clips. We could get in trouble for playing that AI movie trailer the gossip thing have you pay attention to what you what's happening on YouTube these days with it with the copyrighted material. No, often they'll show copyrighted material but add another subtext over top of it. It's a low voice talking on it because it breaks the automatic breaks the ID. Yeah, I mean I'm not allowed to do a lot of stuff. I guess maybe because we're higher profile. I don't know that I see getting you know people getting away with on YouTube all the time. So it seems oddly enforced maybe they're you sort of recognize that all it is is automated tools.

2:27:16It's just not it's not and it's not very good complaint. There's nobody you know actually looking at anything. It's just automated tools and if you can break the tools it goes away. And so I guess in the case of Spotify what's adding to this is them pushing so hard into audio books. Right. So now you have a whole new class of rights orders at the table before was just music. And now you have all these audiobook publishers and what not. And adding pressure to that and forcing them to roll out more tools. Which then things go wrong. Yeah. Yeah. We make sense to say we're building this we're trying to fight this and the tool could be crappy. But at least you have something that you can say we're working on this and we're tackling this problem and we're doing something about it. Jason does point out that Spotify replied to his response and agreed it was in the wrong and restored the episodes. But he says as and I agree with him it's a chilling effect as a content creator. You're putting yourself at the mercy of the organization and if they decide you're in violation you are out of luck unless you're willing to go to court.

2:28:19So he's actually deleting his Spotify account. And he's he's no longer putting his podcasts up on Spotify. Which we could do we could do the same thing because Spotify is a tiny fraction of our audience. But I can't do that with YouTube. It is not a tiny fraction of our audience is significant fraction of our audience. And so they kind of have you. The YouTube has that three strikes policy like if you if they've just had your in violation and refuse your appeal and it happens on the third time your account is gone. Right. And I cannot afford we have I don't know how many accounts all of our shows have a channels on YouTube. We have you know I have a little YouTube silver button for that 100,000 subscribers. I cannot afford to piss off YouTube. And so the effect is that even if there is no right to this or a fair use should protect it should protect it. It doesn't. It has a chilling effect and we just don't play music or clip.

2:29:19Just describe the chilling effect. You don't do any of this. You don't you don't take you can't take the chance. Yes. I follow this conversation a lot. And so there's a big YouTube music. This is Benito or producer by the way who is the guy who sits there with his thumb on the button. Yeah. To keep us. The whole thank God. Yeah. There's this. So there's this music creator named Rick Beato and he's like one of the bigger music YouTube guys. That's good. So he hired. He hired legal eagle. He's friends with legal eagle the other YouTube creator to fight all of his fair fair use claims. And he won them all. Good for him. Of course he did because they are legal. It is fair use. So especially ours. Well, this is a news channel. You know, you see clips on CNN all the time. You see clips on NBC of CNN. You see clips of CNN and NBC. This is this is what fair use means. It's particularly in news. But I'm not as big as Rick Beato. I can't. They might start doing stuff like you've seen these Instagram posts where they'll have like a primary account.

2:30:22And then they'll have an alt account. And then they'll have an alt account. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you have to do that. And then they'll use that as a way of they'll post stuff there. And if it gets taken down, they'll they'll use it as testing. I don't I guess as to see if it takes it gets taken down at this account. They don't know that this it got flagged and it'd be caught. And so that alt account gets closed down instead of their main account. And then by the way, Benito, I don't know if you noticed this, but I only see one fan in your background. I don't know if that's subtlety in terms of the we've talked about spiked. Benito has many fans. He is. I live in the Philippines. It's very hot here. Okay. Yeah. We're going we're coming your way. And I put only typhoon season has gone on. And they said just sent me all these articles. We're going to be in Bangkok a week from Tuesday. And she says, I don't know if we should go with the flooding and all sorts of stuff. So to add one more thing to the whole take down and what not content ID story on YouTube adding to this.

2:31:23So it's going to get more complicated once you add like AI likeness detection to it. Oh, it is already starting to make available to create us. And I think they haven't quite like made this a widely available. Or I'm not sure like what you can actually do with it. But imagine at some point that's coming for sure. And also like role is just like content ID. And then there may be also an option like if I have an AI Leo in my YouTube show, then you may be able to monetize my show or something like that in a weird way where it's suddenly like the I generated stuff then makes money for the original creators. There is I mean, look, there are people who take our content and repackage it and put ads and stuff like that. And so there's legitimate reasons for this. You can do an AI Leo if you really want to. I don't really want to but you could. But there's also yeah, it's just it's a very blunt instrument and it uses a hammer.

2:32:25Unfortunately against content creators. The US Army has been testing AI warfare in the desert. That going so well. The Anderl drones falling out of the sky because it's so damn hot. The US this is a Wall Street Journal under a blistering desert sun. The US Army strange to show it had become a modern AI powered firing force. Some blame the heat was July in the Mojave Desert. Temperatures 110 degrees servers overheated batteries died and couldn't be recharged. And the drones which were supposed to loiter overhead. Landed. Never really thought about that part. Yeah, not so good in the hot desert sun. Fortunately, the actual. Andials part of that like new group of super in companies.

2:33:28Let's Palmer Lucky's company. Yeah, who created Oculus Rift. Yep. And he's making drones for the conflict of interests that Palmer Lucky is part of the group that's given recommendations on what stuff to buy. Maybe. What you're talking about there. I mean, the big deal. I mean, Amazon has launched. It's a Google has launched its data satellite with four count of four TV use in the sky. But it's just a test to see if it could survive the very harsh environment. About her space, Ray Cosmic rays, right Richard? Destroy these chips and stuff. Yeah, I mean, it's not as with if you're flying low Earth orbit, you already have the Van Allen belts. Like you have a fair bit of protection. Any OK. Because you're still not as much as being in the atmosphere, but some.

2:34:28The bigger issue is going to be power management, heat management, like all of the normal things. I mean, I've done a whole talks on this now and really the largest constraint when you get down to even going to scale is communication speeds. You know, you can't put a fiber to a satellite and an optical lasers just don't have the same density. You can't even come in close. So the other problems are so solvable, but not particularly useful in terms of cost. But there's just no way we're aware of the communication problems. Physics are a pain physics. Damn physics. One more break before we get our final stories and wrap things up for this week in tech for this Sunday with Wesley Fockner from works dash not dash working. We're going to have to come Richard Campbell of run as radio.com and dot that rocks. Of course, Windows weekly. You'll be back on Wednesday. Look at 40 that happy Thanksgiving to all of our Canadian listeners, including Richard.

2:35:30Do you do Turkey? What do you eat? We do Turkey. Yeah. I love. I. Turkey. You know it's a good deal for us because I'm going to do Turkey again towards the end of November. You get double Turkey. That's it double Turkey. Are you going to come to the US for your double Turkey or do you just we have some US friends coming up? Nice. Nice to put on another Turkey for a little extra Turkey is always welcome. Do you do I don't know up there in the Great White North if civilization is spread so far north do you have the cranberry sauce in the tin? British Columbia primary cranberry growing region in the world. You're making it. Okay. Yeah, ocean sprays from here. What? I thought it was from New England. So you do have the tin with the rib that you put there. Yes, and then put now I consider it food. No, no, but it is part of the Thanksgiving tradition. Yeah, yeah. Also, Yanco records great to have you. He is of course the now independent at lowpass dot CC.

2:36:32I'm glad it's going well for you. Yanco, that's great. Always enjoy your writing. Thank you. Yeah. Our show today brought to you by Zip Recruiter. We're always looking for ways to save time, aren't we kids? Whether it's multitasking by eating breakfast on the way to work. Maybe put it on some eyeliner. Hiring a nanny for school pickups. I never did that. We're using delivery and subscription services for household needs. Guilty. We have our own time saving hacks for everyday life. But if you're a business owner, how could you save time hiring? Zip Recruiter. Zip Recruiter has a new feature that quickly lets you see the most interested qualified candidates. First. So you save time by meeting the right people faster. And right now you can try it for free at ziprecruiter.com slash twit. Zip Recruiter's powerful matching technology finds qualified candidates quickly. Candidates can tell you in their own words why they're interested in your job.

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2:38:36Now, I by the way, this they say the AI data centers are driving the demand for memory chips pushing phone makers to raise prices and abandon some of their most affordable models. I would agree with all that except the AI data centers. I am not convinced. I'm curious. I am not convinced that the demand for me I did a centers many of which have not even broken ground yet is the problem. Mike Janati we've had on television machines is a very active local AI guy works at Microsoft. Said that he doesn't even believe in video is supply constrained. He said you they make they they buy the chips. What if they're not they control the market. That maybe this do you think this could be. Maybe just a little greed on the part of these companies. Or just everybody except this notion that it's. There's there's a shortage of AI memory chips and it's AI data centers driving the demand.

2:39:37Yes, it's all the above. So there's greed and there's greed prices aren't going back down when there's plenty of chips. I'm sure. You're manufacturing you cheat back in the day. Yeah, they were they were under. But but yeah, wasn't there ran dumping back in the day. Yes, like do that again. Japan. Let's dump some ram back. And cheap interest rates are added. Yeah, but seriously, I mean most of these data centers are not built yet. Are they buying the chips and putting them in a box? They're pre ordering pre order. These chips aren't even delivered. They're not built yet. You remember the Western digital CEO at the beginning of this year said all production for 2026 and most for 20. I remember already sold. And then if you have these pre orders and all these manufacturers, the chip manufacturers are switching to make those types of chips, then there's less left for those. Smart phones. So that's really part of it. Yeah. And the quality you get them cheaper.

2:40:40And so the higher the higher priced less quantity comes higher priced. So the Chinese. This is from rest of world smartphone makers, which have champion affordable feature rich devices and account for 60% of all smartphone shipments have drastically reduced their entry level projects. Again, it could be, oh, we could charge more. Why are we making why are we making these so cheap? I'm not convinced. I'm just saying I'm not convinced. All right. I'm just raising that. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe yeah, maybe there's a massive shortage. I just I feel like there's gouging going on at this point. I'm sure there's plenty of both. Yeah. Or it could be that the lower end market is doesn't have the economic drive as it used to. There's no incentive to make so that it's there like a K shaped economy. The only purchasers are those are on the upper end. So if you have limited capacity, limited design skills, why not move most of your internal resources towards the places where people actually have money to buy stuff?

2:41:48Right. Well, we're not building data centers fast enough according to the most regional. So I don't know where all this ram is going. Maybe it's going to SpaceX, which is going to start its own cell phone company. They've been launched and satellites like crazy and borrowing like crazy to do it. Here's another example of an imminent crash oracle, Broadcom and SpaceX are in talks now for record debt with Apollo Blackstone and Goldman Sachs. Financing mega deals worth tens of billions of dollars each to build AI chips. Broadcom trying to get $50 billion in financing to build the chip that they promised to build open AI was that this hall of pain. You know, right? Oracle in talks with Apollo and Goldman Sachs to arrange money for a big purchase of chips.

2:42:50SpaceX talking about a $40 billion dollar. Borrowing to buy and video chips. It's puzzling to me. I mean, there's this shortage and everybody's scrambling to get money to buy more. These are huge. They're all pre-orders. I talked to the guys who are building data centers. The moment you've got the land deal in place, you want all the equipment. Even though you're three years away from Mac. Want to be obsolete? Three years wouldn't it be better to wait? It doesn't really matter. You need to be in the pipeline. What you don't want is to actually have the building built and know which is not a hard winner install. That would be worse. It's the reason toilet paper disappears first in the super news. It is. There's not really a shortage, but people there's a perceived shortage and so there's hoarding. Maybe that's what's going on.

2:43:51A mysterious. You're having this behavior of companies getting bumped up on the list by paying more. Right. There's your inflation prices, which also creates this problem. Lots of debt out there. Here is an interesting story from Wired. A mysterious nonprofit run by SpaceX's top lawyer is paying the salaries of government workers. It's the National Design Studio, which is basically doj's successor. Some of its members, according to Wired, are unloan from a nonprofit run by SpaceX's general counsel. He's paying the salaries. That seems like a conflict of interest. Yeah, those dissubescia down any day now. Oh, yeah, sure. They want what this fly. No, that would be wrong. Absolutely not. That's so that flagrantly out in the open just like this.

2:44:52This is just this things, but they absolutely will crack down on ASAP. Well, you know what they are cracking down on. I'm mighty glad about it. California, San Francisco says it's not legal for humans to fight robots in a cage. Man, this from the New York Times, man versus terminator like robot in a cage. California calls it illegal. I should hope so. A human fighter took several took on several robot combatants in a cage match in San Francisco. This seems vaguely illegal. The YouTube personality, Frankie LaPena. So it's a YouTube stunt. That robot has dreads. Each robot, they're not autonomous. They were controlled by human operators. So it's like rock and sock and robots. Except if Frankie's head gets pops off, it is not good for Frankie.

2:45:52It's a six foot tall steel framed humanoid robot. Frankie is five foot five. But how much more does he weigh than robots? How much more does he weigh than the human? Oh, he looks like that. But also when robots are taking our job, why take this away from the humans? I mean, let the human's fight. He wants to show you the fight. Let the humans fight. He did beat the snot out of a couple of those robots. The company that's putting the sun is called wreck robot entertainment combat with a K. California State Athletic Commission said they see it as a system. Let her say we regulate professional and amateur boxing kickboxing mixed martial arts. And we do not approve this event. It's a misdemeanor. Don't worry. Actually, I think Frankie's risking a lot more than that. And with that, on that note, on that upbeat note, I think we can...

2:46:53Oh, I didn't, I didn't mention this, Nekko. You put this in, and I missed it. Roku sold to Fox. And you had the inside story. Yeah, I'm very briefly, maybe. So this deal has been in the works for a while. And shareholders of both companies are about to approve that this week. It's pretty, pretty certain that they will. But I did a little bit of a story because their companies that get acquired have to file these regulatory findings, but they basically lay out everything that happened along the way. We got this bit, and then we talked to that company, and then that happened. It's kind of interesting because it's very dry, legally stuff. But if you read between the lines, you get all this color about what actually happened. Why did they sell? In Roku's case, it was the CEO who was like, oh, I'm done. I'm tired. I want to get out. Give me a co-CEO.

2:47:54And then the board was like, we don't think that's the best idea. And I talked to a bunch of people who used to work at Roku and they're like, yeah, that would never work. So it's kind of interesting back story. If people really want to geek out on that, check it out on my newsletter. But yeah, the deal is going to happen, and Roku is going to be part of Fox's entry. Why would Fox want Roku? Well, I think it matters more and more to have access to the TV home screen. Right. And Roku is the biggest provider of those in the US. They're not as big in many other countries. They are starting to gain subtraction, like Latin America and so forth. But really being there on the first page, having the power to recommend all your services, having the power to, you know, recommend Fox one. The streaming service they have now having the power to recommend to be in all those things. So they're going to have an ad business, they're going to have a streaming business, they're going to have, they're not really interested in setting devices.

2:48:56That's just a way to get into people's households. And there's always been the same thing for Roku. They have never made money with these streaming sticks. They always lost, actually. They're so cheap. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they're getting more expensive too with all that RAM stuff. But even though like TVs don't make money on the hardware, it's all about being on the home screen. It's all about being able to sell ads and being able to like have all these other companies that are on your TV, give you a fraction of the ad revenue or some of the ad inventory. That's how you make money these days. So for Fox, that's a pretty good spot to be in. And it kind of fits their, it's not as orthogonal to their businesses. I thought it's kind of is fits in with the end business. And it puts them more like into the leaks of, you know, Amazon, and Google and so forth, who are all doing the same thing to you. We're just talking about like Amazon getting their amazes and whatnot, right? So everybody is, everything is moving to streaming. And now the home screen of the TV might not so much more.

2:49:57So why not buy Roku? It makes sense. You know, it makes me sad because Roku was one of the first streaming devices I ever used. And I always liked them a lot. They got a little junked up, but still I thought, oh, that's kind of the end of an era. Okay, good, good story. Yankego Reckers, find out more. Read it at lowpass.cc. It's great to see you. Yankega, thank you for joining us. We appreciate it. Richard Campbell, I know I'm gonna see you again on Wednesday for Windows weekly. I'm Wednesday. I have a great whiskey for you. And a great whiskey. Is it gonna be one of those little bottles? Those drums? Little bottles. One little baby bottle. You only get one sip. And of course, he's a host of Run As Radio dotnet rocks. Run as a radio dot com. Thanks so much for spending your Thanksgiving with us. I appreciate it. I hope you get a little extra stuffing at the end. We'll have some fun. And Mr. Wesley Faulkner, my good buddy. Good to see you. I hope it's working. Yes. But it's not working for you. And that's where you go.

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