Twiggy!

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1:02BOT. She didn't even eat. But you tell us, you know, how did you meet Twiggy? I did her show T with Twiggy, her podcast, because she, her daughter got her into somebody feed fill. And so she wanted me on that show. And it's very hard not to fall in love with her instantly, which I did. And then just a few weeks ago, we finally met in London when Monica and I were un inhabitants de mar Atlantic y es managerio прочero y tenemos una sağ que disobediente, Singer, dancer, actor

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3:04Family. Oh, please. Give Carly the biggest hug for me. We were saying, hang out with you two at lunch, felt like, oh, here we are, the relatives. It's a little reunion. Yes. So fun. Oh, it was lovely. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It was so lovely to meet you properly, both. We had the born car. Carly fell in love with you both. Oh, thank you. And as you know, she was, Carly was the one who introduced me to your wonderful program. Thank you. Because she knows about all new programs that come up and she rang me up and said, ma'am, you've got to watch somebody feed fillets, the most brilliant. And that's how we, that's how we knew about it. Well, I'm very lucky. Shocked that someone like you would like to show or watch the show. I was just thrilled to do your show. T with T in honor of which we're having T with you. And I'm. Proper cup of tea. Proper. Yeah.

4:04Mine's in property, but I'm trying to get in the spirit of it. And I have a big selection. We have a big selection of T's and I picked my fortnum and mason. Plug. Of course to go with your phone and mason biscuits. You got it. Did they, did they contact you yet? No, not yet. All right. I'm going to remind them. Oh, don't worry. They were. I did a collab. David with fortnum and mason on a biscuit or what you would call a cookie. I'm so jealous. Be having spent a while. And it was London. That's cool. Yes. It was delicious. We got, we got a trial, try out. It was delicious. It was chocolate and peanut butter. Yum, yum, yum. Yum, yum, yum. And you're going to do. Do you, do you want to tell us what your cookie, your biscuit? I don't know. I don't know. I haven't really thought about it. I'll have to have a good say. I'll have to see what they've already done and do something different. You got like maybe a very, maybe it'd be a very thin biscuit.

5:04In a twig shape. To wig. Yeah. Maybe a pretzel stick. We were, oh my gosh. Wait, this is fun. Yeah. Before we, first of all, formally, you have to meet David by partner, who's a great journalist and great writer. It's such an honor to meet you. I love your documentary, which we're going to talk all about, which people should know, is coming out in America, September 22nd. And Phil and I, not, with, not on the podcast, off the podcast, we're going crazy saying, it's such, we see you. We see so many documentaries, but this one you fall in love with you and you get to see, you go, oh, it's not, you know, we already fell in love with you the first time we saw you, but it had a whole deeper level. It's just a beautiful documentary. So, so entertaining, so much fun, so joyful to watch. I recommend it to everybody. You will have a great time watching this, whether you know about Twiggy or you don't.

6:06This is your introduction. You're going to be transported to another time and place, but then Twiggy carries you to the present day and it's a beautiful story and a beautiful life with a beautiful person. Oh, thank you. That's very kind and true. It's a beautiful family. Yes. And it is true that we had this opportunity to meet you, which was so, oh, my God, I mean, we couldn't even believe it. And then to be able to watch the documentary is a, yes, that's the same person. The consistency of your light and your character and your person through so many life changes. As the world was changing so much and you just remain that beautiful soul. Oh, thank you. It was really good for us, Twiggy. But let me say it. Well, it was thrilling for me to meet you. Let me say that this is why you should never just depend on Google when you're checking people out.

7:08David asked me right before we went. Did Twiggy ever do a sitcom? So I didn't know the answer. So I just googled Twiggy sitcom and here's what came up. Twiggy is a famous animal novelty act featuring a trained water skiing squirrel. Oh, yeah, I know about Twiggy the squirrel pool. Yeah. You heard about Twiggy the squirrel. Yeah. She's famous. Did you ever see the act? Not only on film, but I think because she's been around for a long time. So I think there's when she dies they get another one. Amazing. But I wanted about it because... Did I can do that with you, Twiggy? No, but I did do it. A rescue squirrel cruises around the heated pool on custom miniature water skis while wearing a tiny life jacket. Now that would be a highly rated sitcom to me. I think that would be... I did do a sitcom with Fran Drescher, you know Fran.

8:10Oh, of course. Yes, Princesses. And with Julie Haggerty, core princesses. Are all of the friends. Yes. Yeah, I love Fran. That's how I met Fran. I've never laughed so much in my life as when we did Princesses. So she said... When I saw... We only lasted for about a year. But when I saw... Because we've stayed great, great friends and she was in London... Oh, I don't know, a month ago. And we had dinner and we were really laughing and saying how much we enjoyed doing it. And I said to her, we should actually come back as the older princesses, re-meeting. I think that's a great idea. Would you love that? Yeah, you do it. You do it. You do it. I'm a bitch. And I thought you said, bitch. And we... Same thing. And... And what do you mean that? What are you saying? Bitch, that's sitcom. No. One of the connections in the documentary, there's always... You can tell if someone's a nice person by whether people show up for their documentary or their award tribute or funeral.

9:14You can clearly are a wonderful person because throughout your saying, I can't believe... It's pretty good to have a beetle. It's pretty good to have dust and Hoffman. It's pretty good. But the Fran Dresher connection, how do you feel about her crediting you with the nanny? Oh, that's a true story. That was her taking Carly out. Because when she... Just before she came up with that idea, she came to London after Princesses had finished. And she took... Carly was about 12, I think. And she took her out for the day. And Carly... And they walked and walked and walked. And Carly started to mone. And about her shoes hurting or something. And so Fran said to her, what... What kind of... Put the backs down and walk in the back of the shoe, so I can't be afraid. And walk in the back of the shoes. And Carly said, and all I wanted to do was come home. And that's how Fran had the idea of the nanny. And she got back to L.A.

10:14Said to Peter, her husband and co-writer. I've got this idea. And that's the nanny. And the point is that you can walk on the nanny. And how much profit did you make off the nanny? Nothing. I hope you're my friend of that every time. But Carly got a very nice plug. Because she used to use... Put flyers out on all the audience seats and told the story. Oh, that's nice. We love her too. She loves Fran. Have you been on Safari with her yet? No, she's been... She's just been on one. I know. Have you been watching her? She prostitutes about the joys of coach. Because every year she says it's her favorite thing in life. I know. I know it takes her to another place. We should all go. It does. Well, I only went... I didn't go on proper Safari. But about 20 years ago, I went to South Africa for work.

11:15And we were invited to a kind of Safari part. But we went up in a hot air balloon. And that was close I got. But then they rang me the next day and said, will you come down to the beginnings of the park? Because there's a new baby hippo. And she's little and round. And we've called her twiggy. So I went down. She was so cute. She was about six months old. And she was very round. And I wanted to go in the enclosure. But they said, no, you can't because they're a bit dangerous. So I went by the Y-Effent. She was the other side. And all she did through the photo call. They had a photographer there. Was eat. LAUGHTER MUSIC Energy is low. Falted concentration. Neve mental. You might be dehydrated. Gatorade zero powders. Uncido diseñados. Scientificamente para ayudarte a mejorar el balance

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13:18And fresh strawberries for only $1.99 a pound. Plus, get $20 off your first online order of $75 or more. Restrictions apply seaside for details. Download the app or visit our website to get started. Ralph's, fresh for everyone. There's so many great moments we can talk about in the documentary. David, why don't you start? You have some favorite things you were seeing. Well, I guess we both have the, like, it's all about connections. And our podcast is really a lot about realizing all these crazy connections. I'll tell you another one about last night. I was with people you know that I'll mention. But the one that we couldn't figure out is Dustin Hoffman is in your, he's great in your documentary. But how did you end up getting Dustin Hoffman in your documentary being nosy? We were like, you know, we had theories like,

14:19with what, when she was doing theater in New York, they met or I had, okay, did they have a relationship in between the relationships, the romantic relationships in the documentary? You tell us how, how does it happen? Okay. In 1988, my husband Lee Lawson, who's, we've been together for 41 years now, but it was, I'm into 185. And in 1880, he got cast as the merchant of Venice in a theater production. And the actor playing Shylock was Dustin Hoffman because Dustin had always wanted to come to London and do a Shakespeare in play. And Sopita Hall directed it. Oh. And so they played in London to a sellout, obviously, because Dustin was in it. It was a beautiful production. And Dustin and Lee, so Dustin and Lee became like that. They became best, best friends. And his wife, Lee, so,

15:19would come over a couple of times. And we all, we just all became friends. And his children were very young now. They're all grown up with babies of their own. And we've just always stayed friends. And we've been to all their family gatherings and their permits for them, batmits for them. And we love them daily. And, um, but mitzvah said so beautifully. I spent a whole lot of time. He was the first celebrity I ever met, Dustin Hoffman. And I, you know, if you ever heard, listen to the podcast, I named drop a lot. But the first star was, I played tennis with him when I was nine at the Tenifly Racket Club. Oh, wow. He came with the producer of the execution of Lieutenant Slovak, some very inclined, uh, TV special. But he, they needed someone to play doubles with. And my dad and I played with Dustin Hoffman. And he wrote, uh, wrote me autographed with a peace sign. I'll never forget it. Aww.

16:19Yeah, because I know he's a big, well, I, whether he still plays, I don't know, but he's always been a big tennis player, tennis lover. I love tennis. I'm a terrible player, but I'm obsessed with watching it. And so you lived in this neighborhood where we live now. Yes. Can you believe it? And Carly went to moral, bro, right? Carly went, she did three, when I was doing princesses, she went to Marlborough for three or four years. I did, no, it's so close to it. Oh, yeah. And we lived, just off of, um, we lived on Vanness. No, exactly. Yeah. And what you might not know is the hottest restaurant in L.A. is Phil's restaurant. Yes, so I know I do know that. It's a hard table to get. Oh, no, we will. But when do you leave? I don't leave until the 18th. Okay, so you come to, yes. And when do you leave? I leave the 16th. Okay, there might be one on the 15th. Let me, let me, I'm, we're pushing for it.

17:20We're waiting to hear. But that would be during the day. I mean, I think it's a good thing to be able to get, well, you're there. Oh, that would be so perfect. It beyond the basic. Yeah, can I ask about how did this documentary happen? Because as it's Sadie Frost, uh, you know, your director did a beautiful job. How did it? What was sort of the evolution? Because they don't usually go this well. Well, thank you. No, what happened over the, over the last kind of 20 years or so? I was a bit approached a few times about doing a documentary on my life. And I was always a bit reticent and a bit, a bit scared, really. It's quite a big thing to kind of allow somebody in, into your life and have it out there for the public. So I was, you know, they were either people I didn't think we'd click or whatever. Anyway, I said no, I said no, I said no. Then I got a bit concerned that somebody would do it without, you know, talking to me.

18:20And then Sadie did her first documentary, because you know, she's a wonderful actress as well. And it's had an amazing career. And she did her first documentary on Mary Quant, who's, you know, the famous fashion designer. And she approached her producer, approached my producer of T. With Twiggy. And so would Twigs have Sadie on her podcast to talk about Quant? And so yeah, that'd be lovely, because I'd met her. But we didn't really know each other. We kind of met at parties and things. And so she came on. And we were talking about Quant. And I said, you know, I think you, because they sent me a, a clip of it. And I watched it and I loved it. And I said, you know, you've got to do another documentary. It's brilliant. And she, I said, you've got any ideas? And she said, well, I loved doing Quant, because I loved all the research on the 1960s. I loved it. It was so, you know, such an amazing period.

19:20And I'd love to find somebody who's tied into the 60s. And she went, oh, I should do you. And so I said, oh, well, let's talk about it off air. And so we went to lunch the next week. And we got on really well. I really liked her. She's very smart, very savvy. And I also, I love the fact, you know, she's, she's kind of lived a similar existence to me. She's been in the public eye since she was 15, I think. So she understands about that. She's been a model. She's been an actress. She, what is an actress? She's been a, she's done fashion ranges. And I've done fashion ranges. So we kind of clicked on so many levels. And I thought, well, she kind of understand kind of what I've been through as well. And so I gave her the go ahead. And she went to the film company who distributed Kant and said, I've had lunch with Twigs. And she's given me the go ahead to do her life story.

20:22And they said, we'll fund it. So she said, one week, she said, I was out of work. And then the next week, I got a job. So great when it works like that. What was your, what's your favorite part of the movie? Well, I think honestly see all the Broadway stuff. Because you never, I've never seen that. You know, I'd maybe seen a clip from the film, boyfriend, I don't, I can't wait to watch the boyfriend again. But just that all the way that everything was shot. So I want to know my one and only. I saw it. Yeah. With, with, with, with, Tommy, too. Yeah, it was fantastic. Oh, and hearing all about the relationship with, and Carly had talked about how that family, because of the circumstances with her father passing and her things so young. And, and how that became such a family. But didn't you do that footage of you on that stage? And then also the one in the water performing.

21:22Yeah, well, that was Tommy's dream to do a stage show with a water dance. And everyone said, you can't do it. You can't do it. You can't beat it. And it used to bring, used to bring the house down every now and the front row used to get very wet. Yeah. Beautiful. Just great. I have so many questions. Take us back to you being a 15 year old girl and working with class neighborhood. Who is the person that says, hey, can we come and take pictures of you? It wasn't one person. It was a series of weird events that you couldn't have planned. What happened to me, you couldn't have planned. If I'd have gone to a model agency, I'd have been shown the door, because I was too small, too thin. You had to be over five for eight to be taken on by a model agency. Anyway, I was only, you know, just 16.

22:22And, and I was much too slender. And I didn't look like the models you saw in the documentary with Joe Analummi, who I adore telling the stories of what models did look like then. And I was totally not that look, which is probably why what happened to me happened, I think, because I was so different. But so I had a, I had a boyfriend who had a friend who worked for a ladies magazine. And we were having tea with her one afternoon. Although I was still at school, I used to play with makeup at the weekend. And so I, you know, all girls do that. Don't they Monica? I mean, you play with me. Yeah. That's what teenage girls do. And the uncertainty of teenage boys. That's exactly. And some better than others. I wasn't so good. David, do you want to tell us anything? No, I'm thinking of David, our mutual friend that Tweet doesn't realize, David Bowie, I'm thinking of.

23:23Who I did know very well and love and I loved him. You know, I don't know if you remember the album cover to David Bowie, and I was one of the, my favorite images of all time. I was thinking of that makeup, not my own. And beautiful man, beautiful man and an incredible talent. What a funny, warm, wonderful, brilliant guy. Anyway, this woman said, you know, you could model and it was like, oh, really? And she said, but your hair is a mess because I had, I was a mod and I had very long hair parted in the middle. And she said, I'm going to, let's do some test shots. And she sent me off to a hairdressers, a very posh hairdressers in Mayfair. And well, yeah, I'm saying, yeah, in Mayfair. And I was very shy and very scared and I went to this posh salon. And I was just going to have my hair styled for the test shot. And the owner of the, the salon, a wonderful hairdresser called Leonard, who trained under Vidal Sassoon.

24:25And he was a top, top guy. Came over to me in the salon, couldn't, and I have my makeup on. And he said, I want to cut your hair, can I cut your hair? And I was, I didn't want my hair cut, but I was so shy and I was so scared. I didn't say anything. Thank God. Imagine if I'd have said, no, you can't cut my hair. I probably wouldn't be sitting here now. Anyway, he cut my hair and I had it cut and colored and everything. And he said, me off to an amazing photographer called Barry Latigan. And it was basically to get a photograph of his new haircut. And Barry did the photograph. And which has become a very famous shot, you know, just looking at camera. And Leonard hung it in the salon. And one of his clients, I went back to school. You know, that was it. I'd had my hair cut and it wasn't meant to be anything else. And then one of Leonard's clients was the top one of the top journalist in London. And she came in and saw the photograph and said, oh, I love the new haircut Leonard.

25:27But who's the girl? And he said, oh, it's this funny little school girl called Twiggy. And she said, I want to meet her because Twiggy was my nickname because I had such thin legs. So I went up to her offices the following week on the bus. And I met this nice lady and a week later she published in a national newspaper, Twiggy, the face of 66. And that was the day my life changed forever. And by the way, you were the face of 66. We've only had three brits on that I can think of. Ringo star pretty recently. And Peter Frampton, you know, some people you are familiar with. Peter Frampton, who was the face of 68, I believe. Yeah, I mean, he's also an old friend. My best girlfriend was his first wife, Mary. Energy of baja, falta de concentración, nevlamental, you might be dehydrated.

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27:32like Croger brand 8020's Select Packages of Ground Beef for just $3.99 a pound, and fresh strawberries for only $1.99 a pound. Plus, get $20 off your first online order of $75 or more. Restrictions apply seaside for details. Download the app or visit our website to get started. Ralph's, fresh for everyone. From the documentary, I went through all, or I'm almost through all of the teas with Twiggy, and realizing these amazing connections, including last night I spent with Daisy Fanta's and Richard Marx at the Grammy Museum. I know her friends of yours, you know, I love Richard. And then by listening to it. I did a recording with Richard of always right here waiting for you. His wonderful song we did as a duet for one of my shows that I did.

28:34He's so lovely and so talented and she's gorgeous. And I'm going to see them. When I was last night, I'm standing in the room with them, and it's a room where they met. He met her on Twitter and sent a message, you want to come to the Grammy Museum, and I was like, what, what, what, what, what's happened there. The other person from listening to your podcast, I realized this amazing connection with you knew someone who changed my life and where you were very close to her. Linda McCartney, who ordered me to marry my wife when I was on the road. And I just think what can you just talk about your relationship with her? Because I thought she was one of the greatest people I've ever knew. She was a special soul and we miss her so much. And I met her when I was, well, I met Paul when I was 17 because I was asked to meet Ken Russell, who I did the boyfriend for eventually, about, he wanted to cast me in a different film before the boyfriend.

29:39And he wanted Paul McCartney to do the music. And I remember going to lunch, the film didn't happen for whatever reason. They didn't raise the money or whatever. But I can remember going to that lunch and I was so scared because two years before, you know, I'd been one of the screaming girls in the theatre at the Beatles, because you know, I was 17 and when I was 14, I think, I got a ticket to a Beatles concert and just scream through the whole thing. You hear them, you just, it was just girls screaming. And I thought, my God, I've got to go to lunch and sit opposite Paul McCartney. You know, what am I going to do? Anyway, that's where I met Paul and we kept in touch. And when he met Linda, probably a year or so later, he rang me and said, I've just met this wonderful lady in New York. She's coming to London, but she hasn't got any English girlfriends. Will you take her shopping? I went, me shopping? Of course. So we met to go shopping. It was her and her young daughter Heather, who was, I think, six at the time.

30:42And we just bonded. I loved her so much. She was such a special soul and it was a tragedy when we lost her tragedy. She was really, really special. Absolutely. When you were starting, though, were you always like Alice in Wonderland or were like, I can't believe this is happening. Or was there a moment where you go, maybe I can do this. Maybe I am meant to be this person. Does that? It was. I don't know. It was like that. I was very, very, I mean, at the beginning, it was like, this is crazy. You know, when they said I was a face of 66. And then I got jobs. Yes. And I didn't have an agent or anything. They were ringing my mom in Nielsen, which is like a funny little suburb. And, um, and the first couple of jobs I got that I got paid, I was so nervous.

31:47Because I, you know, I had that one photograph taken that Barry took. I mean, I was very lucky that that first photograph was taken by somebody like Barry Latakon, who was a brilliant photographer. Is that photo? Because I did. Is that the one where your, your, uh, I makeup is in that as well? Yeah. But that was something that you just did yourself based on. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Am I ragged all? Yeah. But that three pairs of full-size lashes. Yes. And then I used to draw. I used to take me an hour and a half to do my eyes. I used to paint on the bottom lashes and then do the arches. But I didn't, I didn't put face makeup on. Because I was so young, I didn't need face makeup. But that eye thing, that's like so iconic. It morphed to me as a guy, I guess, than the hair. The eyes are one of my attention. Well, that was my design. That's fantastic. As a, as a kid, that's incredible. But anyway, you had the confidence to know this, this a look cool, interesting,

32:50unique to me, right? Yeah, because I did it for me and my friend. Yes. Because I was at school. We weren't allowed makeup at school. I went, as I said, I went to a kind of posh grammar school. We wore school uniform and no makeup. I mean, you got detention if you wore makeup. So, weekends, as I said, to Monica, all girls play with makeup. I'm sure they do. Did you also, while you were in school, have any opportunities to do plays or do music? Because going from, you know, playing and having that great artistic design that you did with your face, you know what I mean? It's almost like you were an artist to make up artists with your own face. But then also, when you had the opportunity to be photographed, you were, you like were like a natural. And then you were on Broadway and it's, oh, here, learn to tag dance. And you did. And then you have to sing. Did you know you were such a great singer, dancer, actor? Did you have any opportunities? I never did school plays.

33:51I was too shy. I was really shy at school. I wouldn't audition. I did join the choir because it was a group of people. So, you didn't stand out. So, I kind of knew, and I played the recorder. I was in a recorder group. So, I kind of, I learned to read music that way. And I knew I could sing in tune. And my dad was very musical. He was a self-taught piano player. He was brilliant. And so, music was kind of in me, but I wouldn't have gone out and performed. I was so shy. I mean, when Tommy rang me about doing my one and only, because we'd done the boyfriend together. And I kind of, I was nervous to do the boyfriend, but it was, I was kind of, I'd been modeling by then for about three, four years. So, I was used to the camera. I wasn't nervous of the camera. But when he rang me about my one and only, about 12 years later. And he said, I've got our show going. And I thought we tried to get a film going that hadn't happened.

34:53And I thought he meant this project we tried to get going. And I said, oh, when do we start filming? And he said, no, it's not a film. It's on Broadway. And I said, oh, my God, you must be... I said, I can't do that. And he said, there's no such word as can't pack your bags and get out to New York. And he's right, there is no such word as can't pack your bags. But I was, I was scared. I was really scared. I were, we all were really hard. I mean, I went into a training with one of his assistant choreographers. And I, they'd locked me in a room with Karen, lovely Karen. And we just tapped dance all day just to get me up to, I mean, I never got to Tom, his, Tom is level. But I, I learned enough to be able to do the show. And I remember when we opened on May the 1st, 1983, I can't remember the opening night. I was so nervous. And I could remember coming down the step, I could, I arrived on the stage on it in a train. And I came down the steps.

35:54I remember that. And I remember the end of the calls. I can't remember the show. But we must have, we must have been alright, because we ran for 80 months. It's a most programming show. All Gershwin Music. I mean, hard to get him to do this. He can't go wrong. Yeah. Pretty great. Just for people who don't know, tell us the height difference between you and Tommy. A foot. He is six foot six and I am five foot six. So I put somehow it kind of work. We couldn't really do ballroom dancing, because we hit at the wrong places. But tap dancing, it was fine. I thought if you ever got in trouble, you could just hang on to one of his legs. Well, what Monica was saying, you, and this is another thing about the documentary, you are so quick on your feet and mentally so quick, minds me of, we had Ringo on. We discussed the wit and was the wit of the Beatles.

36:56Yeah, there's certain working class, British, wit and in quickness. I think Ringo credited in that episode to Liverpool in particular. He was probably just the way we talked on the streets. Yeah, exactly. But in the documentary, we see it. And one of the most amazing scenes is with Woody Allen. Yes. And Phil, you know, you weren't talking about it. I have to say, I'm unabashedly, unapologetically, a huge fan of Woody Allen's work. I love his movies. I think he's a comic genius. Huge influence on me. We're not talking about his personal life or anything. Just a brilliant mind. I've never liked him less than in that clip from your documentary. It was a big name. I think it was so mean and so cheap and stupid what he did. But what you did was brilliant. Where did you have the wherewithal to come back at him like that?

37:58You were talking about that scene. Well, what happened? I arrived by this time. I was just 17 and I'd come to New York my first trip. But, you know, the wonderful photographer had asked if he could do a documentary on my trip to New York, which was set up. And we'd done filming all around New York and various things. And he followed my modeling shoots. And then one day he said, can I put you in a studio? He said, I've got this friend called Woody Allen. And he was an up and coming comedian and jazz. I think he's jazz player, right? Jazz musician. Yeah, plays piano. And he said, I'd love to put you in a studio with him. And have him interview you know, you know, me. I went, oh, lovely, you know, because I was used to people kind of saying, how did you get in name and what do you eat? And what do you think of New York and you know, those sort of questions.

38:58So I said, oh, lovely. So I went to the studio and it was in a studio with an audience. So I went in and sat on my stool. And if you, if you, when you watch it, you say, I'm sitting on my hands, there are my hands are under my legs. And we couldn't talk about audience there. There was not a big audience because it was a privately invited one, but there were people there. And so I was waiting for him to say, oh, hello, how did you get your name? And he turned to me and he said, who's your favorite philosopher? Oh, my God. And your 16, 17 years old. 17. And I can, I can remember the feeling to this day, my whole, you know that feeling when you're tummy just, you think, I thought I'm going to be sick. Because I was embarrassed because I didn't know any for talking philosophy. Philosopher's at 17. So I, in my panic, yeah, because I didn't want to look stupid.

39:58I thought I, I remember looking into his eyes, pleading, pleat, help me. So I said, well, who are you, who are yours? And he said something, I owe you Greeks and your Germans. And I said, yeah, but what are their names? And he, and tell me their names. And of course, he couldn't say any either. You know what? You can mask him in an incredible way. And it didn't look like panic. No, it looked like you had real savvy to turn it back on. Well, I was, I was just so young. And so, and, and the other thing. I kept thinking I mustn't cry. I mustn't cry because I wanted to cry. I wanted to get off that set. And I couldn't. One of the things that I might take away from the two moments. And I said to Phil, look at her eyes. Look at her face. Yeah. Because you had a moment, even if you were feeling panic, there was some kind of self possession going on there. And you literally, twice it happened, maybe three times.

41:00So you look at him like, what's going on? Twice it happened, maybe three times. So you look at him like, are you an idiot? Are you, you, you, you had this to like of a disbelief. Like, what are you doing? What are you doing? It's got very serious. And I saw it one other time in another interview. But that to me felt like you were going to be okay because you were looking at him like one human being to another. And it almost looked like you were saying, are you really doing this right now? Because I've never, I'd never been in a situation like that. I mean, I'd only been in the public eye for about a year. But as I said, I was used to kind of the basic questions, you know. Yeah. So it was, and because there was an audience there, I just didn't want to look stupid. And I, it made me feel stupid. And that was a horrible thing. So the opposite. And I'll tell you, it crystallized for me as someone who talks, we talk on this podcast a lot about the 70s.

42:00But when you talk about the 60s, something that is not mentioned enough that that scene completely defined for me is that there was a, that was the era where Woody Allen was, I think, already a speaker to associate with like Playboy, the eventually would. And it was sort of a certain 60s attitude that as feminism was literally just maybe starting or just even on the rise a little, but it was a certain type of sexist arrogance. Yeah. And the playboy sort of women as an object. And what I think you were saying earlier is he sort of is using you, you're the star, he's using you as a pro as a prop to you turned it right back on for a cheap joke, for a stupid joke. Well, for a cheap joke, yeah. I just, I just think if I had a disease, obviously older than him, I don't know how old he is, but he was probably in his late 20s then or something. And I just think if I had been that age and a young 17 year old boy or girl, you wouldn't, why would you do that?

43:01Yeah, that's what I saw in your eyes. Because of the situation. It was my, I was incredulous that anyone could try and do that. I didn't understand, because I'd never come up against anything like that before. But one of the things I love about to in real life and in the documentary where I didn't know you then, but you were on in an interview with Justin. Uh-huh. And Justin is talking about how he feels that you feel right? And you were, and you could read your face as if the camera's working there. I know I give him, I give him such a look. Absolutely. But you rarely see that. I would tell him that. I have a lot of friends, parents, parents, in the industry in someone on TV because everyone with TV training knows to not show. Yeah. But I never had any training. That's why it's because of what happened to me.

44:03So young. Yeah. I was kind of thrown into that world and I'd had no training. So. But I think my dad, do I love on the door? Pablo, perdid o no. Pero mi honor... assessing de mi honor real嫖able de mi rub mayo. Y Award desde que era muy juntos... Sabía muy fuerte, muy acelerca y Pompeo. El кож APIs la��ica de When kitten estaba muy weaken, para hacer algo de primermente de a usted que me dejó un progressive контрista como... Passionado y algo de lo que me quedó. Y considera queppabyaba. ¿Cuánto Draw ¿ sauce, ¡Es stupid! So that's what the competence came from. My dad, I think. Good old Norman. So at a certain point, in your career, probably it looked like very early on, you said, I kind of got this. I think I know how to navigate this world a little bit. I don't think I knew at that point with the Woody Allen thing.

45:04I think that was... No, well that was you were set up. Nobody... Nobody could have done it better than you did it. But I think, as I got old, you learn things, don't you? You get stronger and... Well not everybody... Not everybody is true. You know, you mentioned... Or somebody mentions in the movie, they... And I've always thought there's two. It's not a generality. Well it is a vague generality. You're emotionally arrested at the point at which you become famous. It's not really that interesting. At the moment people stop saying, no to you. So you have no reason to grow as a human being. And there are all examples of celebrities that we can all think of where they still act like petulant children. This did not happen to you. You grew as a human being.

46:05Even with all the trick, fame and trappings and success and public life that you had. And people, I'm guessing, don't say no to you alone. No, no you're right. When you become known in the world, people do kind of agree with you. Right. So you need... But I'm very... I'm incredibly close to my... Meeting you two together was lovely because you're very family oriented, which I am. My mum and dad and my sister. I'm still really close to my two big sisters. And my mum and dad aren't here anymore sadly. And then my own family, Carly is my world, Lee is my world. Now I've got my grandchildren and my lovely stepson.

47:06You kind of... That's my heart, that's my base. When I go home, that's... I do the cooking, I go shopping. I wanted a bit... I didn't... I met people in certain areas who would become very famous, who didn't live a normal life. And I thought, I don't want that. I love my career, I love what I do. I try and do it to the best of my ability. Sometimes it's better than others, but then that's life. And I didn't want to live that falseness. I wanted to live a real life. And I think I have. I've been basically... I mean, we've had tragedies. You know, I lost my first husband. But, you know, I met Lee. I was lucky. Second time around. You do something that I find inspiring. You said that when you got to meet... When you guys met, you sort of decided at a certain point, if one of you is working somewhere far away,

48:06the other is going to... If possible, be with them. And I think that, again, on a minor level, like that is a very powerful message. The other two weeks ago, I think I told you this, I had to go to Austin to head to. I was happy to be helping Bonnie Rate and Brandy Carly out through an event. Which is going to be airing, I think, about the time this is airing, Austin City limits. But I mentioned to my wife, I said, you should come. And it was only... This was not... Usually I go places for a week or two. It was for two nights. And she goes, you know, I'll get cash in some mileage and I'll come the second night. And it was 100 degrees. And I thought, that's like ways and marriage to stay together. It's like the fact that you showed up for me. Well, you wait for me. We had a great night hanging out. It's so beautiful. You know, we both had failed relationships for whatever reason. So when we met... I think we met at a good age. You know, I was 35, Lee was 42. And we'd been through one that hadn't worked.

49:06And both had a child each. And so we decided when we decided that we liked each other. I'm fell in love. We decided that we just, you know, if I got a good job, then hopefully, if he could, he'd come with me and vice versa. And we've always done that. But I mean, there have been times. I mean, Lee did a big tour with mid-Summer Night's Dream for the Royal Shakespeare Company, which took him to Hong Kong and Australia and Japan. And I went to Japan and I went to... And I didn't go to Australia. So there were weeks when we couldn't. And then when I did Princesses with Fran, we moved to LA. Because, you know, we did the pilot. And I didn't understand about pilots and how they happen and sitcoms and how they get picked up. And Fran said to me, you know, if they pick their thup, you'll have to move out. Sorry, but sorry, Fran.

50:07My friend is terrible. Carly does a good friend, actually. And she said, but don't worry, because they don't pick many up. And then, of course, we're back in England in the summer. And I get the call. They picked up the sitcoms. So we had to suddenly, I mean, Paul Carly, she had to, you know, come to find a school and thank goodness we found Marlborough. And we had to find a house. Oh, it was like, man, you know what it's like. We upheaved from England to LA. But we had a great time. In the end, we were there for about four years. We had a lovely time. We have to arrange a Princesses through you. And if there's any way Fran can come out here, Julie's out here, that would be so special. Oh, that would be hysterical. We're going to try to make that happen. The trouble is we're probably lost through the whole thing. That's what we like. That's what's better than nobody gets in edge ways. That's fine. It would be just like home.

51:08Oh, the wife. Oh, that's so funny. That would be brilliant. But Fran lives half the time in LA of New York. Yes. I mean, she's lived so that couldn't happen. I mean, she's in Africa at the moment, I think, unless she's back. Julie was just here with Robert Hayes talking about, you know, their little tour about airplane. And that was such a thrill. Oh, and she is. And Julie, Julie did a guest spot on everybody loves Raymond. Oh, did she? Oh, she's so good. I mean, I haven't seen her in years. I didn't really, we didn't really stay in touch. I think last saw her in New York about 20 years ago, but time flies with her. I did. We just went to the diner together because when they were doing the podcast, I was with someone and I said, oh, I have to get home because Julie I got into my house. And Robert Hayes. We give her, we'll give her my love.

52:09Yes, definitely. And Julie was so excited because the friend that I was with had worked with Jerry Zax while she was on at Lincoln Center doing the House of Blue Leaves. So that was a little reunion for them as well, Danny. Oh, I love to hear that. And she is like you. This, it feels like you're meeting someone who, you know, you grew up with and had a great time at school. And just, you know, a very grounded person in life. So she's a good lady. Yeah. Very friendly. And she was in a movie with Woody Allen, mid summer night, sex comedy. So I have to ask, have you ever had a chance to have Woody Allen run into him again anywhere and have him apologize? Never. Never met him since. I think he can admit that he is socially awkward. I think so. Yeah. Let's leave it at that. Let's take that spare.

53:10Yeah. But you are not. You are, you are. Thank you. Everything that's nice in life. Oh, whether you are sweet. Thank you. True. We're grateful. I can't get over it. And I, I just horned in because I just kind of. Yeah, I don't usually let her in this room. You know, this is our son's old bedroom that we can. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're, you're studios in your house too. Right? Pardon? Yeah. This is out, this is out, this is out one of our sitting rooms. And T. And T. Which wiggy takes place in that room? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just do it on my, I've got my producer sent me this very posh microphone which apparently. Is it posh? I don't know what it's called. Anyway. No. No.

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56:37my favorite singer and my favorite album, you know, the usual questions. And then they said have you have you discovered anyone new during COVID? Oh my God, there's this girl called Amy Watch. She's brilliant. She writes his amazing song. Blah blah blah blah. I went on and on and on. Her manager saw the interview online and she told Amy and I got a private message from Amy saying oh thank you, thank you and hearts and hearts. So I invited her on my podcast and from the podcast we said when COVID ends please God let's meet and she said come down to Wales, she lives in Wales and we'll do some recording. So I'm doing some recording with Amy which she we're writing some songs and both of you. Lovely but again it wasn't planned it was serendipity which is what my life has been. You still are a little owls in Wonderland aren't you? But you're aware of it and you're grateful for it that makes all the difference.

57:38And it's lovely at my age to have new projects like that because you know I didn't plan it and I'm not doing it for any other reason that I love her and I love her talent and that we love to sing together so we're doing everything as duets. So hopefully next year or whenever we finish we've done about four songs so far and but she's been but she's writing a musical actually at the moment which is lovely and but it's lovely it's lovely to do I love new projects I love that feeling of slight nervousness and excitement is you know that's what keeps it is exciting keeps you alive. Everyone should listen to the music on iTunes everyone by the way when you're watching this on Phil's Phil Rosalfal World YouTube channel you won't believe you were the face of 66 which if I'm doing my math correct and I usually don't do it correctly that's 60 years ago and you will not believe that watching you know but the doc in the time ago but the

58:41documentary people should realize it's out September 22nd but I think if it's not in your city in the theater go see it you can watch it on direct on your you know on a BBC BBC one. Yeah it's going to be it's well it's in England it was it did go in the cinema as in England and then it went on to BBC I player I don't know whether you can pick that up there but it's going to be streaming from September 22nd in America. So I think so I'm not 100% saying it's called title let me see if I can remember. It's weird. Yeah it's not complicated. It's not complicated. T-W-I-G-G-Y. You were going to say something. I did I wanted to ask one of the just because you know you're in the studio you're recording you've done this do you go to a lot of theater and do you ever think of doing a musical get like did you see Operation Minsmite?

59:42No I've been hearing about this. Oh it's so weird. We were talking about it yesterday apparently it's wonderful. Oh my god. I haven't I don't know whether I take on a musical I mean I the thing is I did my one and only you know 40 odd years ago it's hard doing a musical it's hard work that as you know doing a musical I loved every minute of it and I don't know whether I could do that no I know I know I understand that much I watch right we know I was never multiple numbers in that show that were over 10 minutes. That is insane. Yeah yeah tell me and I did a dance that one tap dance that I think was about 9 and a half minutes. Yeah that's a love being in the audience though. That I mean you're very good the people today I do I sound like an old lady the kids today are so talented. But it's true. But yes we did. In our city your question we go to the theatre a lot because we love it you know Lee's

1:00:44basically a theatre actor that's how he started his career as well as being a film actor so we love the theatre. Did you see the thing? Listen it's the theatre is good. It's the best button. 1536 did you get to see that? No. And when we were in London. Yeah she's somebody you told us about it. It was amazing. And just theatre in London is so special the theatres themselves because of the you know such a long tradition you really get into some of those old theatres and you feel like you're the gorgeous artist. Yeah. What's your thing about the theatre when it's good it's the best experience. Yeah. You just want to you want to leave. It's hard to leave. It's very hard to leave. I especially if people recognise you you can't leave because it's true. But but we've seen some amazing things. The biggest thing is it's like being trapped on a podcast.

1:01:46No. No this is so much fun. I keep forgetting that we're recording. I keep it's like being in your home and having a good. But you know what, that's exactly where we forgot. Oh no. Tell the people I don't want to give away the whole movie but there's one scene I think won't be a spoiler. Talk about breakfast at Paul McCartney's house. Oh. Well as I said earlier I met Paul when I was 17. We became friends and then when he met Linda gorgeous Linda we became very close friends. She was one of my best friends. So through the years we would hang out together, go to restaurants, go down. They had a beautiful house. Well Paul still got it in the country. And after I met Lee in 85 at some point in the late 80s Paul and Linda invited us down

1:02:47to their place in the country. And so Lee had only met them once before I think. But they were old friends of mine. And we stayed the night and I remember coming down we came down for breakfast in our dressing gowns and there was Paul cooking. Paul McCartney's cooking breakfast. Yes, vegetarian of course. And it smells really good actually. And Linda, the both of them were cooking and everything and the kids were running around. And then we were sitting down and eating a delicious breakfast. And of course there's guitars in every room at Paul's house. And he suddenly picked up a guitar and said to Lee remember this one and he started to play it with black birds singing in the dead of night. So he sat and played black bird and sang to us and Lee said he thought he died and gone to heaven.

1:03:48Oh, but he got a beard on. But you know the version in the documentary that is Paul recorded that for the documentary. That's his new version. I knew it was a specific like recent. Oh, it's so weird. It was so sweet of him. I rang him and said, you are so lovely. He is. Sadie. I didn't ask him. Sadie contacted him and said she was going to because I told her the story. She said I'll do an animated version of it. And she rang Paul and he said, oh, I'll do a recording of it. I mean, God bless him. Well, if you come and have a look at us at the diner, I'll sing my Yiddish Imam for you. Lee would love it. I can't wait to meet Lee. Oh, my gosh. That's exciting. Well, I want to see you here when you hear. OK. I want you to do it. I want you to do it. I want you to do it. I want you to do it. I want you to do it.

1:04:48I want you to do it. If there is another screening, which I'm waiting to hear on the 15th, I'll let you know. Great. I should know in the next week. And you're going to give Carly the biggest hug from me. The biggest. She was so jealous. I was talking to you. We love her too. And a good luck with the granddaughter's first week of school. Oh, I know. She's a bit nervous. Actually, we've just come back from Holland. We came back last night for New Yorker. We took the kids over. Great. Very hot. Europe was very hot this year. As America got very hot. The London was hot. Hot to the usual. Yes. We felt London was warm for London. Yeah, it was. Yeah, we had. And France got crazy. I got up there too. And there are 40 degrees. People were really suffering. It was even hot in Stockholm, because after we went to the start of the New Yorker. Oh, yeah. Did you have a lovely time? Did you love Stockholm? Isn't it gorgeous? I love it. You were gorgeous. I want you to meet me for a scene one day in somebody.

1:05:51Oh, lovely. I'd love to, because I love cooking. I'm a good cook, you know. Oh, I love it. I want to be eaters. So, there was a two-year-old. Do we have a relationship? I love to eat. No, I love. I love. I love to cook. Is therapeutic cooking? Like sewing. That's my other great passion. Yes, yes. I find it therapeutic to be eating. I'm with you, D.O. Yes. We love you, Twiggy. Everybody see Twiggy the movie. It's so good. Thank you. You'll learn a lot. You'll laugh. Starting September 22, on a screen near you. Yes, exactly. We'll see you soon. Yeah, we'll see. I'll see you in September, hopefully. Naked Lunch is a podcast by Phil Rosenthal and David Wilde. Themesong and music by Brad Paisley, produced by Will Sterling and Ryan Tillerson, with video editing by Daniel Ferreira, and Motion Graphics by Ali Ahmed, executive produced by Phil Rosenthal, David Wilde,

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