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0:00They want to try to attack the assets that they essentially can't control. The positive externality to all of this is that we have more people who are incentivized to really learn to use Bitcoin. They're running out of tricks. The occurrences are dying all over the world. It's not just the dollar. I've lived this nightmare. That worthless piece of paper that title with your name on it means absolutely nothing when a bunch of armed thugs show up at your door. He wants you to think he's a man of the people, but when it comes to the economy, he's lives trusts with a Bitcoin account. I don't know much about UK politics, but I do know that I've never heard anyone talk about a Bitcoin account. The Netherlands is back in the news this time making their anti-bitcoin agenda more clear than ever. Unrealize capital gains if you hold an asset they don't like. Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of Bitcoin Banner. I have Tony and guest Adam Simeca with me today. Before we jump in, be sure to smash that like button,

1:00subscribe to the channel and stick around to the end for our donkey of the week. Okay guys, so quick summary of what's going on. We've talked about this thing in the Netherlands with the unrealized capital gains. It's kind of come and gone. An amendment has now been made, so this has not been formally passed, but has been proposed. That basically if you want to own things like stocks, for example, you're going to be exempt from any unrealized capital gains taxes, but then they've shown their cards. You're not allowed to possess a physical gold, silver, Bitcoin or other crypto in self-custody. You can technically, but you'll pay 36% unrealized capital gains on a yearly basis. They want all of the control. They don't want you to own anything. Tony, take it away. What is your take on this new proposal? Desperate times, desperate measures, man. This is again another sign of a desperate failed state that is petrified of the bleeding that is going on and that is going to continue to accelerate. So of course they exempt all the stuff that they assume no one's going to want, because it's all founded on that worthless piece of paper, which eventually, even the most

2:03coolest thing being is going to realize that is a waste of time. They want to try to attack the assets that they essentially cannot control, which makes this whole story a bit of a joke. But again, this is an exploitation of the current mass ignorance of the citizens. And I suspect that this is going to start to change, hopefully faster rather than slower, but they cannot stop this. And if this passes, this can only actually be applied to on ramps that they control. And if those get choked out and people avoid them, well, they're going to incentivize folks to use Bitcoin in the way that it was intended originally, which is peer to peer. So people will find ways to earn it themselves to get it with via no KYC rails. And then none of these rules will be applicable because they'll effectively be under their radar. And there's nothing they can do about this if the people hold their keys and their Bitcoin in full self-custody.

3:07So this is just a headache. It's just noise. They're annoying noise. But it's, you know, provides a lot of fear to those who don't know what we know. And these guys are petrified of the day where that knowledge becomes, you know, something that the everyday person also believes in and understands really, really well. I don't know how this plays out. I don't even know if it's actually going to go through. It's pretty dumb because all the smart money is either aware of this and is ignoring it or is just packing up and moving to better jurisdictions. We've had an increase in demand to our plan B service from folks from the Netherlands in light of this recurring headline. So time will tell what will happen. But again, these are not good signs. If you're living in the Netherlands or the EU in general, these are the things we should really pay attention to and make and like put together a plan to protect yourself from all of it. I completely agree. And actually, I think that the positive externality to all of this is that we have more people who are incentivized

4:10to really learn to use Bitcoin to run a node, to take self-custody, to exchange peer-to-peer, to purchase Bitcoin, peer-to-peer, and opt out of the fiat system because they know that this is only going to increase in scope over time. And it's not just going to be limited to the Netherlands. We're going to talk about some crazy stuff going on in other places in Europe as well. Adam, what's your take when you look at this news? I actually fully agree with basically everything Tony said. It is a joke. It's very dumb. They're imposing this on something that they can't control, which means it's really not going to work out. It appears to be mostly performative. But I would also add that this is really just another flavor of the same game that we have everywhere in the world. And that is this perpetual propping up of the Kantion Ponzi scheme. We call it different things in the West, at least in the United States. It happens all over the world, though.

5:13And this is just probably the most unpopular way to do it, which is why I don't think this will pass. But if you just look at other examples, we have our own stock market that is propped up by the central banking empire. We have our fixed income retirement accounts, which are essentially scams in my opinion anyway. And we've got things like the Trump accounts. And this is really just all different flavors of putting the taxpayers value into the things that they need to keep propping up in order to fund the disbursements with new money. So again, I think this is just a really abrasive way of presenting this idea of controlling money and moving it into where the government wants it to be. I think there are better, more popular ways to do this that tend to get more votes. So this specifically probably won't pass, but who knows, it could happen.

6:15Yeah, you honestly at this point, you never know. But for our listeners, if you want to take self-custody, if you're planning a boating accident in which you lose all of your keys, you can click the link below. Schedule some time with our team to learn how we can help you take proper self-custody, do it the right way the first time as well as Estonia alluded to. Take a look at our plan B, residency option, lots of people all over the world in various jurisdictions trying to get out, where at least have the option to do so when the time comes, as I always say, better five years early than one day late. Okay, guys, Illinois, a big, populated state in the US for our listeners abroad. They've just signed the most aggressive Bitcoin tax in the US, starting in January of 2027. The state will impose a .2% tax on the gross value of digital assets exchange transferred its stored for customers. No profit required, no capital gain, just moving digital assets, triggers the tax. The big takeaway here is if you think about how incredibly unfair this is, moving a million dollars through a bank wire ACH or brokerage, Illinois takes nothing, move that same million as a digital asset, such as Bitcoin, and the state

7:20takes $2,000. Adam, I'll actually take this one first. This is a little bit closer to home for both of us. My state borders Illinois, fortunately, we're less insane than those across the river. But what do you think when you see this? Two words, jurisdictional arbitrage. Obviously, this is a state piece of regulation or legislation I should say. And really, all you got to do, if you don't like this, is you can move to a state that's not so stupid. I'm not a fan of the politics in this particular state, but it is nice that you can just kind of get up and go. It also works on a national or international level as well, which I know the Bitcoin way is the program for that. If this happens on a country level, there are options for that as well. It's just a little bit more involved. But a simple solution to this is just don't live in stupid states with stupid politics.

8:22It's probably been said enough, but in case you haven't heard, Bitcoin holds in self-custody properly, cannot be taken from you. And even further than that, if it is held properly, it is also private. And nobody knows that you have it, no one can come after it. So do some research, reach out to the Bitcoin way. If you don't know how to hold Bitcoin properly or privately, they can help you with that. Well, as my friend Daniel White likes to say, it's Bitcoin is the first non-sovereign right of exclusion. It's the only asset that they can't come and take from you because they can't prove that you have it to begin with. Tony, what do you think about Illinois? Man, I thought the extortion was illegal in the United States. Oh, no, it's highly legal if you're the right person. But it seems to be okay at the state level. Yeah, this is extortion. There's no other way to put it. I mean, these guys, of course, it's a failed state. Otherwise, they wouldn't be resorting to such moronic tactics, but they are desperate and they are pissed because now they understand that there is an exit that they can do nothing about. And it's just not isolated to Illinois. Eventually,

9:26you'll probably start seeing other states who are in desperate need of money and are going to resort to anything under the sun to try to get it. Whether it's a good way or a bad way like this one, they will still try. But at the end of the day, if enough people understand that there is a way to properly protect themselves, all of these measures will fail. This is just like the interim nightmare that transition from the failing system into a new one that a lot of people are going to have to go through. So if you're living in Illinois and you're affected by this, the easiest thing, like you guys mentioned earlier, pack up your stuff and leave. Move at the very least, move to a neighboring state that is not doing this nonsense. Or if you want to move to a completely brand new jurisdiction, which offers way more benefits than just avoiding this stupid idea, well, you know, then there are places that will welcome you, you know, trying to, and like to rule by coercion, rarely works. Just read any history book and you'll very quickly see how every single one of them

10:27end. And it's usually in a very bad way. Yeah, I completely agree with that. The other thing I would add to all of this is, you know, I think at different levels of government, different levels of power, you have varying degrees of understanding. And so I think a lot of times what happens at the state level, what I think is very likely is they don't see Bitcoin as a threat because Illinois is not the central bank, right? This isn't like the federal government. They just see that there's a relatively small group of people who they can extract more value from. Illinois is basically broke. So they want to extract value from people who they're not going to totally piss off when it comes to election season. And this is like an easy way of doing it. I think when you look at the federal level, when you look in nation states who are attacking Bitcoin like the Netherlands, they get it. They see the threat. They don't want people outside of the system. And that's why they do that sort of thing. Speaking of people owning Bitcoin, according to recent estimates, Bitcoin is owned globally by more people than hold in video. So about 4% of the world is projected, assumed to own some amount of

11:28Bitcoin. I'm assuming this is going to be, I bought some Bitcoin on Coinbase. It's on the exchange. I have some self-custody. I think a lot of people don't really own Bitcoin, but they have exposure to it in some capacity. To me, at the very least, though, this is bullish. We talk all the time about how early we are. And I'm glad that we're early, but we seem to be making a lot of progress. Tony, you excited about this? Yeah, very much so, man. I mean, these are the metrics that I like to focus on because it tells me that Bitcoin adoption is growing and growing very quickly. Now, it doesn't really, it's not that important that not all of these folks are in full self-custody, but there's always a first step that people take. You want them to get the attention. A Bitcoin is grabbing a lot more attention. And so whether it's for initially price exposure, at least the foot is in the door. And usually what happens when you spend enough time in the Bitcoin circles, you eventually find your way to understanding that leaving your money on an exchange or with another institution is a terrible idea. And that the real win here is to own your

12:32private keys. So hopefully a lot of these guys that are perhaps going in for the number go up initially, figure out that that is the last thing they want to be holding. And that you know, they'll actually take the proper measures to hold that asset themselves because that UTXO is going to become one of the most valuable things that mankind has ever been able to hold. We've never seen this before. It's never going to exist again after Bitcoin. And so the window of time to really get this right, I don't think it's going to last very long. It's in light, what's going on globally. And all of these signs that are happening, whether it's at the state level or country level with these unrealized capital gains rules and taxes and these complete moronic ideas to extract wealth, these are all the alarm bells that should, everyone should be paying attention to and like really running towards understanding why these things are happening. And that the real cause behind them all is that there's a threat now that exists that they cannot

13:34control that is going to take over their power over money. Whether they like it or not, it doesn't really matter. This is one of these ideas that once it's in, it never leaves. It just spreads. And you're just going to have to adapt to this new world. So good news as far as I'm concerned, but Bitcoin adoption is definitely about skills passed forward, but you need to get someone's attention the first place. And these charts definitely represent this going in the right way. Amen to all of that. Adam, first of all, I'd be curious, do you think 4% does that feel about right to you or do you think I think it feels a little bit optimistic, but maybe I'm wrong? No, I think 4% globally is probably accurate from the day that I've seen. It's much higher in the United States, but globally 4% does feel about right. That number is going to keep growing. It may be, I mean, it's probably between 2 and 4, right? It might be a little bit lower. I would say it's definitely over 2, but I wouldn't argue against 4%. But I think the point here is that

14:43that number is going to keep going up. And we talked a little bit earlier about an unpopular piece of legislation from some governments and politicians. And there is going to be a point where fighting Bitcoin will no longer be worth it, right? The reward from the institutionalized system is not going to be worth throwing away, in this case, 4% of global votes in voting countries. Obviously, in the US, we've seen this firsthand. We saw a president come out very pro Bitcoin, at least verbally. That was a really good political strategy because of how many people support Bitcoin, right? So it's really not a good idea if you want these voters to come out against Bitcoin, because it's automatically going to be unpopular. And like I said, this number is just going to keep going up. There are going to be more Bitcoin voters every year, more people that hold

15:45in or expose to Bitcoin. And by the way, I was playing with some AI just a, I don't know, probably a few weeks ago, just to break down some of the data around the demographics of who holds Bitcoin. I don't have any of that data prepared today, but I will say if you're interested in that, it is a very fun experiment to see, for example, how many people in your city potentially own Bitcoin, the results to me were absolutely staggering. Yeah, that's what we were talking about that last week, I think, with the likelihood of someone within a small area, being a Bitcoiner who attends your church or shops at a particular place or anything like that. So yeah, that is exciting. And the other thing, the one thing I will say that I agree with you on Adam is that even though, I tend to believe that the voting block of Bitcoiners is relatively smaller and candidly, a lot of us probably aren't the type to vote. But it is a very passionate group and there are very few people on the other side who hate Bitcoin. Right? I mean, there's like the peterships of the world,

16:48but he's not voting for a politician based on them talking bad about Bitcoin. Right? So yeah, I think what we're only going to see this number go up and I'm excited for that. Okay, guys, do me a huge favor. I know you're not just watching this video because it's three incredibly attractive guys. You're having some fun, you're learning some things. You like the pure signal, make sure you smash that like button. Be sure you subscribe to the channel. A lot of people who watch aren't. So we want to make sure that you get notifications and are subscribed. We've got Germany issuing, it's guys, Europe is just struggling. Germany has issued orders to 18 year old men to undergo a mandatory medical examination for military service. So protests, of course, have erupted across the country because people don't want to go fight stupid bankers wars. More than 45,000 students are taking to the streets in over 100 locations. Tony, you've sort of called this for a while and we talked about this in our live stream the other day. What do you think? Yeah, man, this is bad news and very, very dangerous signs, like someone who survived civil war for over 30 years.

17:50These are the things that you have to really pay attention to because they tend to escalate very quickly. No one should be complying with this and that's really the only way to peacefully put an end to it because these are, remember, like these are the same same criminals that are trying now to take your loved ones and put them at the front lines of a war that nobody created other than them. No one's responsible for the economic collapse of European families other than these same people now who want to send them off to get killed. If they're so keen on running a war with Russia, then, you know, they're more than welcome to go to the front lines themselves and put their own kids up there and then, you know, tell the rest of the world how that is progressing. So I don't think anyone should be complying with any of this stuff and if anyone's in a position to leave before things really get worse, they should seriously consider it because what I worry about is that at one point, if they close the exits, like for example, shut down the airports or forbid people

18:51from leaving, you know, that becomes a serious problem because now you are literally a hostage in, excuse me, in your own country. If you don't think that can happen, just think back to the pandemic. Nobody thought that movie would ever materialize and yet it did for a very long time. So keep an eye out on these things. There's no reason to, you know, imminently panic, but it's definitely not something to say it'll just, you know, go away on its own. Nothing goes away on its own. We are living in very desperate times. Money's failing, economies are failing. No one's able to afford anything and wars are usually the number one distraction to keep you, you know, to keep your focus away from the root cause of this and that's the failing money, which they are trying to somehow fix and keep themselves relevant and encroached in that system. Opt out, the only votes that matter are that your money, Bitcoin and self-custody, something they cannot touch and your feet leave. If you have the means and possibility to do so. Adam, you are a veteran. So I imagine this is a sort of

19:55discussion that gets near and dear to your heart. What do you think? Tony, you touched on exactly what I wanted to talk about and that is that as far back as we've been recording history, conflict and war is directly correlated with failing sovereign currencies, money. And I don't think that, you know, this time is any different. It is my personal belief that the dollar is on life support. I think that the dollar is in its last days. I don't know if that means that it's, you know, 12 months away from being completely wiped out or if it's going to, you know, go on struggling for another 50 years. I don't know. But I don't see the dollar strengthening, you know, relative to its position where we are right now or where it has been in the past. I think we'll continue to see monetary debatement. And the result of that monetary debatement, I think will be conflict in one way or another depending on how you look at it. I think that it is a good point. And I certainly put a lot of stock and

20:55the way Tony framed it. And that is that, you know, this is potentially a distraction from failing currency. And I don't know historically how much weight can be attributed to that. But from what I can see right now in my own life and my own society, I can definitely see a very strong probability or at least incentive for that distraction. So I think that, you know, as, you know, the United States, or I should say the dollar loses, potentially loses its world reserve currency status or just loses its value over time. I think we're going to continue to see more and more conflict, whether it's failing in broken systems or if it is, you know, intentionally distracting people for political reasons. So unfortunately, I think that headlines like this will continue to be more popular, not less.

21:55There are certainly a lot of countries who already have mandatory military conscriptions. Basically, you just reach a certain age and yet that's serving the military a certain amount of time. You know, that's that that already exists. But this is new to Germany. And you know, we've we've had this in the United States as well in the past. Do I think that it could come back? I definitely think that it could. You know, desperate times call for desperate measures. And the other thing the other part of this is I am seeing this trend of people kind of going back to it is a different a different perspective. But in terms of support of what our military leaders are doing, I think is at a local low. I think I see a lot of people not necessarily agreeing with the politics and the global policy of our leaders. And it kind of reminds me a little bit of like the Vietnam era. And again, totally different reasons. But there have been periods that I, you know, when I was

23:02in the military, you know, quite a while ago, I don't think that I saw this as much. It seemed like more people were, you know, cheering on what we were doing in the Middle East. And a lot of people were buying into this, you know, the idea of of of what we were doing globally. But I do see that waning. And so I think as that wanes, at least in the United States, from what I can see, this is my, you know, my perspective, remember. But I think as that wanes, unless people are, you know, jumping to get into the service, I think that, you know, there's going to, I'm certain these talks are being had at our capital. You know, there, this is always on the table, mandatory conscription in the military. So do I think this is coming back? I think it is very likely in the United States and in other countries around the world, military conscription will be more popular. Yeah, I used to think that draft Dodgers learning about the Vietnam era were immoral cowards. And then you read a book

24:07like Wars a Racket and your mind has completely changed. A guy predicting World War II years before it happened because of what he had seen in his experience in World War I. Okay, guys, we, uh, we've got a member of parliament in the UK saying, I said it in 2020, I'll say it again, if you leave a home empty long term in the middle of a housing crisis, it should be seized. And this is, she says, today's announcement is good news. And it's basically them saying, yeah, this is what we're, what we're going to do. Uh, more property rights being violated, go figure. I don't think this really surprises anyone. But this, this is, this reminds me of like the Australia empty bedroom tax that they've floated, uh, Tony, uh, what's your advice to anyone in the UK right now? Besides, don't leave your home empty very long. What have I been saying for over three years, man, I've lived this nightmare. That worthless piece of paper that title with your name on it means absolutely nothing when, uh, in a bunch of armed thugs show up at your door. Um, you can either leave, you know, or they're

25:08going to carry you out, except in this case, these armed thugs, because that's really all they are, are coming from the government level. So you can just see, um, who it is that you're voting for, who it is that is actually, you know, serving your best interests. This is bad, bad news. And I hope I pray it opens the eyes of way more citizens to what is actually going on so that they actually take proper measures to put an end to it because this is not going to stop. It's going to continue escalating because at the end of the day, this is all about money or the lack of, or the lack of it because it's failing. There is, there is nothing else to, uh, to do with it other than steel and, you know, gather up as much of it as possible while you still can. So no rules will be applied. Chaos will, will be come popular. And, you know, at the end of the day, it might reach a point where it's every man for himself. And that is a horror show that most people in these

26:11countries have never imagined or even fathomed they could actually, you know, be contemplating living in such a reality. So, but, you know, the headlines speak for themselves. So please don't think that this only happens in crazy countries like Lebanon. I can assure you every country in the world is going to have its Lebanon moment in some way, shape or form. It's not going to be an exact copy paste, but you will taste what it feels like when the system collapses. Absolutely. I wanted to quickly share that. So this actually goes hand in hand because in Spain, their socialist prime minister has enacted nationwide rent control. They're banning evictions and their forcing apartment owners to continue renting their property under, you know, an economic circumstances. So Adam, I'll let you chime in on kind of both of these at once. Yeah, I mean, capital controls aren't new. You know, this is existed for hundreds or thousands of years where central planners will just

27:12make up their minds on how they want to control, you know, their economy. And it never ends up working out. I mean, it's absolutely crazy. It's like they have, you know, this strategy has a worst track track record out of all of them, you know, absolute communism being at the top. And so, you know, it's really, it's really the running out of the running out of tricks, you know, in my opinion, like I said, fiat currencies are dying all over the world. It's not just the dollar, but as fiat currencies die, you know, they have to pull every, every lever that they can. And right now we have bonds reaching, you know, all 24 year highs in the United States with the dollar treasury bonds. And that's a direct, that's a direct reflection of the failing trust in our economy, right? And so they're going to do everything they can. And really the only thing that they can do, every measure they take is only going to push more people into Bitcoin. You know, we talked about in the last one, you know, as far as, you know, renters and properties,

28:18you know, laws and regulations that are restricting what owners can do with their own properties. I mean, the question is, do you really own it? How do you know, like Tony said, if it's on a piece of paper, is that enough? Can someone come take it? Can someone tell you what to do with it? You know, with Bitcoin, you don't have that question. With Bitcoin, you can absolutely own it, as long as you hold it properly. You have to hold it in self-custody. You have to hold your own keys. But if that's the case, you know, you do truly own that. No one can take that from you. No one can force you to do anything with it. You know, everything is going to be, you know, with your consent. If you hold your own keys, sure they could come and hold a gun to your head and make you do it that way, but they still need your consent to do it. You know, with every other form of investment or any other type of wealth that you hold, it's all subject to somebody else's permission, even at, even if it's just the government at the top. Yeah, I, you know, I was seeing some posts from a friend on X over the last week about some horror stories they're getting from a tenant

29:21in one of their properties that they rented. And I'm just like, man, you could have just like held Bitcoin and you wouldn't have to deal with all these issues. And yeah, I mean, just just by the point, that's the real property. It's the solution to many of life's problems. So if you, again, need help doing that the right way, taking self custody as Adam described, click the link below, schedule a free 30 minute introductory call with our team. We can walk you through how, how we help and as a former client, it's the best way of going about it. You're finally sovereign, not just safe. Okay, guys, finally, we've arrived at the end of our show. We have our donkey of the week. This is UK Chancellor John Healey speaking. Let's, let's play this one. Just look at who offers the opposite. It's not just the shadow of Chancellor, but the reform UK, dodgy donors, fantasy funding behind every plan, an idol Farage. He wants you to think he's a man of the people, but when it comes to the economy, he's Liz Trust with a Bitcoin account.

30:29Liz Trust with a Bitcoin account. Now I'm not defending Liz Trust. I don't know much about UK politics, but I do know that I've never heard anyone talk about a Bitcoin account. So I'm kind of wondering if John hasn't been made aware of the Bitcoin standard or some of the other fantastic resources he could read that would give him a clue. Tony, what do you think when you hear politicians talk about Bitcoin? And this guy is like the facts machine calling email dumb. He knows he's been living under a rock. God knows where he crawled out from. And he just has not accepted that the world has moved on. This fossil is so archaic in his ideas and his thoughts that no one with half a brain should be paying attention to him. First of all, there is no Bitcoin account unless you know, perhaps you can go to your local bank and ask them about that. Maybe they'll help you on that level. The level of ignorance and just mashed stupidity for public figures like this is entertainment that it's finest. So what do you want me to tell you, man? I mean, we are

31:35shifting transitioning to a new world and these coolest folks, no one gave them the memo. And so if you're sitting on our side of the fence, it really is pure entertainment. The problem is the majority of folks are still on the other side and are not always privy to these messages. But the works of these clowns is accelerating the marketing for these people to become aware because their life circumstances are decaying and deteriorating at a faster and faster rate every single day. And at some point, even the most resilient and stubborn human being is going to ask the right questions and come to the conclusions that we've been bubbling about for two or four years. So don't give the week. Congratulations, my fine sir. I think that's right. I would add to the collective donkey of the week, though, the crowd clapping like a bunch of sea lions after he made that joke clearly. None of them know anything about Bitcoin. Adam, why don't you have a little

32:40laugh? That was actually my favorite part and you pause it like the perfect moment. So if you're watching this on playback rewind just a few seconds and look at where Michael paused the image and just look at the faces of the people that are clapping. It's absolutely pathetic. I mean, they don't even buy it. Let's see if you can. Look at their faces, man. Amazing. Anyway, it's bored so I'm going to give some advice. I normally don't give good advice to politicians, but I'm making exception this time. And that is don't attack Bitcoin. It's just not going to be good. I mean, there's nothing to gain from it. You're going to lose voters. You're going to look like a moron. Don't attack Bitcoin. It's absolutely silly. I'll leave it at that. Yeah, I think do you remember when Trudeau was criticizing Oh, was his name? Pierre, who's the guy in? Paulie there. Paulie there. Yeah, he was making fun of him because Bitcoin was down in dollar terms. It was talking about how Canadians would have lost all their wealth if

33:40they'd listened to him. And then like, I don't know, six months later, we hit all-time highs, like $126,000. That's the thing though, is you're right. You're going to piss some people off at him at the same time. I mean, we've got like the collective memory of a house fly. And some people forget and move on. And only the people who are curious enough to dig in and understand that there's a solution to their problem are ever going to figure out Bitcoin. Or it's just going to take a long time as Tony described people asking the right questions. Guys, I think this is a good place to wrap up. It's been a blast. Adam, thank you for joining us again. Always fun having you, Tony. It's been a blast chat with you. We're going to be catching up again, I think next week. But if everyone who tuned in, again, click that link below. It's going to be free 30 minute call. Learn about how we help you with self-custom online privacy, privacy phones, our KlanBee residency program. And be sure you smash that like button, subscribe to the channel. We would really, really appreciate that. Jens, good chat and we'll be in touch again soon. See you next time, guys. Thanks, guys. Cheers.