The Road Worlds Preview

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2:01Who should we start with? Ronan McLaughlin. Welcome back. You're welcome back. I have been to Canada before. When a flight was diverted and I got here all intensely for about 12 or 24 hours account member. You need long time now. I'm still going to count this as my first time. Yes. Welcome to Montreal. Welcome to Canada. Welcome to Canada. Jack Duncan. Joining me on my right. Welcome. Thanks for having me. Good to be here. And none other than Joshua Robinson of the Wall Street Journal across the way. Welcome back, Josh. Wow. Feels great to be back. Haven't seen you since the show is the least day. Ah, it's been a little while. It's been a little while. We're going to talk all about worlds. This is the previous preview episode, essentially. There's also a fair amount elsewhere floating around in the cycling ether at this point in time. But before we get to that, Jack, could you set the scene for me here in this beautiful part of Montreal? We are in Montreal. We are in the, we are on the terrace of a restaurant.

3:03Brouhé called Ciboire. And we are amidst the chaos of setup for our pub quiz, which is impending. We have 55 minutes. Don't let pub quiz start, which means we will be wrapping up this podcast in less than that. Yes. It's going to be good fun. We have, I mean, we ran into already, what, 15, 20 members on the road today who said they were coming tonight. It's already starting to fill up. It's going to be a really good time. If you're not here, I apologize for the phone. No, but it's going to be really good. Let's, before we dive into this weekend, actually, there's some other news stories from this week. Tata Pagotcha was on the entry list for the European Championships right race. It's in Slovenia on Sunday the 4th. He's been spotted walking around wearing a Lendice moti shirt, which is, which is good fun. But arm is still in a sling. UAE says he's not racing.

4:04The internet disagrees. Realistically, guys, this is just an old start list, right? Like they just didn't update it. I mean, it has to be, right? It's 10 days away. It's, unless he's going from a sling to a bike race in 10 days, I think it's a little bit crazy. Would that stop him from winning? No, he could win one handed. I mean, with it being in Slovenia, I think that raises, if it was anywhere else, you would just say, oh, it's just an old ender list. It was a being a home championship for him. That sort of maybe just adds to it all here. But typically, these start lists aren't final until the night before the event. Team managers not can still change their entry at the managers meeting if I understand cracker, which usually happens a night before an event like that. So it's more like we just said, an outdated one that hasn't, they haven't found a replacement yet. So the organ, let me read you the quote from the organizers.

5:05We all want him. And I've said, this championship was also organized with Tadeh Pagacher in mind. Who will be among the eight is for the coach to decide whether he makes the team, but don't make the wrong choice. Of course, we would all like Tadeh, but I think the right thing is listen first to the experts and the doctors, so I would rather not speculate. But I think we know where the organizers start job to speculate. So here we go. Do you remember maybe three or four years ago? It was the year that Tadeh had crashed before the tour and he was in this race to get back and time for the tour. Do you not have the image seared into your mind of Tadeh on the turbo with his arm in a cast? Oh, yeah. This is this is the thing that could be happening right now somewhere in a pain cave in Monaco. They have said he's doing indoor training. You have said that. It was on Instagram. We've seen Instagram of him of him doing the indoor training. Also, the European championships probably not that high as list. Let's let's. But if he doesn't win, he has to wear his regular trade team jersey next year.

6:09Is that allowed? That's totally unacceptable. Also, let's spare a thought for Jonas Vingorgord who whatever he does, Tadeh is there to mess with him. Is he doing the Europeans? He said he was ending his season, didn't he? He's done. I thought it was then coming back. Initially, it was planning to come back, but then I think he changed his mind. Probably wise. Not to be outdone. Definitely any of the line light taken away from worlds this week. Remco Venapol and Felipe Pugana have been having put these spat with each other. Well, the spat is maybe not even the right word. It's real because after the time trial, before the podium, they were quite buddy-buddy. Yeah, I think that's the thing. This may be sort of a Belgian media blowing things out of proportion slightly. They wouldn't do that. They would never. They would never. But there is just this general discussion around like Conn is time trial numbers and whether

7:12they were where they were supposed to be and why he ended up losing to Remco Venapol by as much as he did. He's going back and forth in like head last news, etc. Obviously, Conn was disappointed. Remco says, quote, he says that every time whether he wins or not, if that were really the case, I think he would have finished much closer to me. Basically saying that like, because Conn had said that his numbers were as good as ever and that he was expecting to be closer, basically. And Remco says, well, clearly not because I beat you by a minute. But okay. Numbers aren't speed. Yeah. This sort of gets into an article I've been working on for the last couple of days. I tried to write it on the plane over here, but it was more like that plane right was more like a bouncy castle right than with that much turbulence. But there was an escape collect a member, you have a hand or yeah, sorry, Hannah's, Shank. Sorry if I'm must printing his name, but he's done some analysis.

8:12They granted Hannah's file wasn't in this. But Shank had looked at, because Bruno Amarai was so dismissed as well, or so muffed by his 26th place. And the fact that he did big par, how can I be that far behind? Maybe not Remco because I don't think he was expecting to be Remco, but how can he be that far behind the other writers? How can be that far as at top 10? And Hannah's downloaded 11 writers files from Strava, including Remco's and including Amarai's. Five of them had par, unfortunately, Remco's didn't, but long story short, Remco was an absolute demon in the corners. An absolute demon in the corners. The only writer who was faster through the corners than Remco, or through the apex of the corners than Remco was Sodorquist, who was much faster until all of a sudden he really was not faster because he was on the ground. Yes. So of the writers who stayed up right for the entire course, Remco was by far the fastest and actually put four minutes into Amarai, just in the corner sections that Hannah

9:15said split out of the files. So I mean, Ghana is, we've all thought of him as being like an expert bike handler and really good fast through corners on a time trial bike, but perhaps Remco, it just like worked on that so much that maybe there's no like 20 seconds to maybe took 20 seconds out of Ghana in the corners of what's the word 23 in that course. And then if Ghana was only 35, 40 seconds behind Remco, maybe he's thinking, oh, that makes more sense, but the fact was a minute. He's maybe like, I don't quite understand. Well, I mean, this is what's underpinning all of this is basically writers who weren't to Remco saying, I had a really good bike race. I shouldn't have lost by that much and trying to figure out why, right? And then Remco coming back and saying, well, like, no, I just also had a really good bike race. You're saying, maybe it's not captured in the power. Well, the whole theme of my article is measurements that we have, blinding us to measurements that we don't have, but might be equally important.

10:16The Mac tomorrow fall asleep, so to speak. And yeah, like, Amara is just shocked because he's on a par PB and he's finished worse than ever. But actually, when you, and you have to read the article, you get the whole story, but when you dig into it, that, that, that sort of blinding effect that par has on cyclists as, as a group these days, yeah, I think it is something I've been trying to write about for a couple of years, never quite had the hook. And I think this was a good hook is, is Ghana really an expert bike handler, though? The only, I mean, the only data point I have is over the top in San Ramos that on the descent there, he usually seems if he's in the front, he seems like he's getting gapped in the corners and having the close gaps. I mean, I just, we all have that picture of Ghana on a time trail bike fully banked into a corner. He looks good. Yeah. And so I don't know if he's good, batter and different, but I just didn't want to say something too contentious there. I was trying to give him the benefit of the time. Sure. He's also much taller, heavier, lighter than Remko.

11:17And so on those technical corners through the study center on a time trail bike, that's going to have an effect as well versus someone who's tiny, maybe lower standard gravity. Oh, they just, there are differences there that I think are won't show you alone, but I say when Hannes that has analysis, it was quite obvious. Like, it's not perfect analysis. Again, get into the story, but the, the trends are pretty undeniable. And obviously I don't want to give away your article here at all. Like, I'm excited to see it. What's looking at like the entry, middle and exit of the corners and the speed through them in the difference between all these riders. And you know what it's found? It found that Remko was the fastest everywhere. Be it the straights, be it the corners, be it the corner entry corner exit, whatever. He was fast. Again, sort of question was faster through the apex. Yeah. Put it ended up on the ground. Yeah, yeah.

12:17We had the price. Not helpful. I mean, there's nothing slower than being stopped. Yeah. Well, the good news for Ghana is he could celebrate a victory in the mixed relay time trial on Tuesday, which is an event that we, I will spend no more additional time. Can I just say you should not be able to be world champion of an event that doesn't exist? What is it? You mean, we've not anyone to do it. We literally cannot be world champion for anywhere else through the year. When do you get to where the jersey? You don't, because there is no, there's no such thing. Yeah. What is even the point? Usually we've just had an old school. Upside down 13 cycling tips, T-shirt, rock up behind the camera over here, which is great. I love coming to these events. It's so good. Ronin, if you had to replace the mixed time trial with something, what would you replace it with? I mean, because they just try to fill the week empty space. How about a crit? Crit world champ? Yeah. Who would be the crit world champ? I know, Justin Williams thinks he would be.

13:18We saw him earlier today, actually. Yeah, yeah. He's wandering around here. No, it's just, who would be the crit world champ? Like Watvon Art is somebody. It's one of the Belgians, he's really good. No, it would be one of the Belgians with a good sprint. Why would it not be Merlea's profile? Well, because you can build a crit with a hill in it. Would Kav come out a retirement for it? Four and last job. Four and last job. Thirty five. All right, let's take a break. I mean, my actual answer would be Team Time Trails. Yeah, individual, like separate man's and women's Team Time Trails. Like within your nation, not within your year. Yeah, maybe within your nation. Because they did like, I know they did the trade team one and everybody thought it was a failure. But I mean, the teams were up for it. Yeah, well, but yeah, but the trade team one also isn't, that's not worlds. Like that was the problem. It was like, why are we one of these events just doing something else? Not to come back to my favorite topic of wearing the jersey. But think of a team time trial later in the year where they all get to wear the rainbow? It looked crazy. It would be sweet. Oh, it would be okay. Back in the trade team days, they didn't get to wear the world jersey.

14:19They got like a crest on their skin since they didn't get to rainbow jersey. But the reason to do a trade team time trial would be that you could wear it. But the season wears, if you did national teams which makes more sense of worlds, then you end up in this situation where like one rider on each of the world tour teams gets to wear a special world champ. But then people transfer teams. So does this say with the team? This is the problem. This is why I didn't really work. But that's off like the mix, the mix, the mix. Elimination crit. Eek. Yes. We solved it. He's solved it. A hill climb. Like just once for like three minutes up the hill. That would be great. Alright, let's take a quick break. When we come back, we're previewing this weekend's Elite Races. For the first time ever in the US, the best U23 wrestlers in the world descend on Las Vegas. For the 2026 galaxy U23 world wrestling championships at the UNLV Thomas and Mac center from October 12 to the 18th.

15:20Don't miss your opportunity to see team USA's wrestlers battle for gold on the world stage right here in the United States. Tickets are on sale at UNLV tickets.com. Get 20% off by using code team USA. Welcome back everybody. Ronin has his cycling weekly magazine. I brought some media in the airport. To figure out what that is. Yeah, cycling weekly. We have good friends at cycling weekly. Adam Beckett sent me a note the other night that was really nice. Thank you Adam if you listen to the pod. Let's get into the actual bike races this weekend. We're going to start with the men's in the hope that Abby Mickey shows up sometime in the next about half hour. She's not supposed to show up for about 45 minutes. It's not like she's late or anything, but she would just she would add a considerable amount of insight to that particular discussion. So we're going to leave that for a second. Let's start with the men's race.

16:21So it is a bunch of flat stuff from the start. And then lap upon lap upon lap upon lap of this Montreal circuit, which includes the climb up to Moriel. We walked the majority of that today. So we got kind of a firsthand view of of truly how steep it is, which I always find that what you can't really make a determination just based off profiles with these things. Like you have to go look at it and ideally ride it, but we walked up it. I think one of the big questions coming in was around Mathew Vanderpoll. And is it too hard for Mathew Vanderpoll? It's basically the fundamental question because if it's not too hard for him, all of a sudden for me, he's the big favorite, right? Because you have to get rid of him or he's probably going to beat you in the sprint because it's climb and then sort of like slightly lumpy loop around with the finish line. Relatively flat sprint at the finish.

17:23More so than loud. Yeah, but I try. I will get there. So is it too hard after walking that climb today? Is it too hard for Mathew Vanderpoll? So I'm going to say yes. It is too hard for Vanderpoll. But I think he has a chance when there's not a Tade Pagacea here. I think if it's Tade Pagacea here, maybe it helps Vanderpoll's chances of being on the podium as random as that might sound. But chances of winning are gone on this course with this climb, I think, all going well for Pagacea. Without Pagacea here, I think the race is entirely different from start to finish. I think on the climb, Vanderpoll maybe has a better chance of following each of those other riders who we will probably discuss those favorites now. Then he would have tried to follow Pagacea on that climb as we see it today. Thoughts, Jack? I mean, if Pagacea is here, it's too hard for literally everyone else.

18:25I mean, yeah. I realize I would take this at sign, but I do think it makes sense. Yeah, but so Vanderpoll's chance of winning is Del Toro or Pidcock or like any of the people that can climb better than him, just not blowing it up and distancing him. If he can stay in that front group, he has a really good chance of winning. And my point is with Pagacea here, it is for sure going to be blowing up. Right, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think it's going to be blowing up anyway. But they all know that. 273 kilometers and they go up that hill. My collegiate cycling coach just walked by. You're on video. Oh great, I'll see you later. We're going to be here for all night. Sorry about that. 273 kilometers. It's like it. We're going to talk what's the maximum group size at the finish line? Like four? Three? I mean, we're like at the top guys, right?

19:27Remco, Benapole, Ezeks, El Toro. Paul takes us. Vanart, maybe. Vanderpoll, you've got other sort of really good like Grand Toro races like feeling. It's all in whatever else. Lip-wits is here. Lawrence, Pity, there's other sort of names that could potentially be very close. But realistically, it's what? Pitcock, five? I think five is like the maximum we're going to see at the finish line sprinting together. And if that is the case, Vanderpoll is probably there and he probably wins. If they're all together, I see that being likely. I don't think all five of those are going to be together. I mean, we saw in Montreal, Remco missed it. It was two. I still think Remco is the clear favorite now. Really? Really? Explain yourself. Because I think... So if we take Pitcock, it's maybe another favorite. I don't think he has, I'm sure someone will prove me wrong here and point to some occasion when he has.

20:29But he's never really like when all the favorites are there, stepped up and delivered and won like an absolute monument like this. Or a World Championship outside of Mungaik and Cyclecross. Deltaro, same. Sexess, I'm not climbing. Sexess needs it to be about three times longer to be able to create a separation. And when the sprint happens, he's going to get time-gapped. Yes. So that... Well, his sprint is not going to be as bad as it was for the GP Montreal. Like, he explained that he was like looking for a sign or something like that. But his sign is Deltaro sprinting. Yeah, he missed. Why do you have any confidence then that it's going to be better? That's when that's the explanation. Because I'm on the hype train running and I refuse to get off. That makes sense. Yeah. So explain your Remco. Like fully explain what... What? Remco, time and time again, on the big occasion, he can deliver. Even when he's a favorite and he's marked out of it, he can still deliver the result.

21:32The climb isn't going to be an issue for him. The distance isn't going to be an issue for him. Clear days and exceptional form. I don't see how he isn't like a five-star favorite and everybody else is a four. I mean, the climb is not that different other than there's no cobbles relative to the Montmartre. Wow. They're not as hard as it is. It's longer but there's no cobbles. It's much steeper as well, isn't it? The bits of that Montmartre climber are quite steeper. That thing is just steeped from top to top. Well, so let's talk about what we like to say. We walked it today. Was that what you were expecting out of the Montmartre? Probably not, no. This climb has been in pro cycling for a long time. We should say, but I haven't covered this race in about eight years. I didn't remember. There is a key difference though. Yeah. What distance is Montréal, Gumprey? Two-hundred? Yeah. This is 270. Yeah, this is a... They said that is such a difference. This is an omelute versus flander situation. Yeah. Right? Like it's a totally different ballgame. Same climbs. Totally different ballgame. Just because it's an extra, you know, hour and forty minutes of racing.

22:32That's a significant amount of racing. Jack, make the case for me for a non-remko win. Because frankly, Remko, we would love a Remko win. He's very divisive. We ran into multiple people today. Who were like anybody Remko? Anybody Remko, right? Which is, I think it's fun. I think it's very fun. But still, make a case for me that it's going to be somebody other than Remko. Okay. Well, the heart case is that we have two other guys that the entire nation's cycling is resting on their shoulder. Of Del Toro in success. Mexican cycling and French cycling both would love to have the world champion. I mean, that doesn't mean it's going to happen. But I do think Del Toro is on the same level as Remko. I would put him as another five star favorite, both of them and then everyone else to star below. All right. I think he showed that he has the climbing level and he is punchier.

23:34I think if they come to the line, I'm probably picking Del Toro over Remko. Really? See, that would be tough for me. I don't know actually, I don't know which one would love those two, would win a sprint. Particularly at 273K, right? Sure. It does change the game considerably. Josh, I'm going to call on you. As our resident, not just Frank a file, but Frank a phone, who is beyond ecstatic to be back in a French speaking part of the world up here. I'm going to give that make the case for Paul Seixas for me. Make the case for Paul Seixas 19 year old world. Is he 20? He turns 20 in like a week today. I think it's today. Anyway, very, very soon. He's much less exciting in headlines than 19. Still, make the case for me. The case is that, you know, as a fellow Frank a phone, he is probably also giddy at being back in some sort of North American French hybrid situation, which I think has got to be worth at least 30 to 50 watts.

24:39I fully agree. And you're right, it's his birthday today. We're recording on Thursday. But then you have to say for. So you got to add some watts for that too. And then you get some watts for the birthday. It is, as you say, less exciting if he wins as a 20 year old than a 19 year old. That's a little bit unfortunate. So I, as you know, too old. He's washed up. Seixas washed. The case for him is the problem is that he'd have to get away from everybody. Yeah. Because in a sprint, he would be dead last. He would lose 20 places. Yeah. A sprint out of five riders. He's somehow going to be seventh. It's going to be amazing. Who do we have on the underdog list? Voight. Is he underdog? No. One roommate. Can you have a wife and an artist in the underdog for anything? But on this course. In 2026. Yeah. Underdogs maybe a bit strong, but he's. Second to your favorite. I think he's second to your favorite. Yeah.

25:39So, so you're going in this sort of like more classics rider kind of direction. Is Montreal hard enough? Is that climb hard enough that we start looking at all of the other sort of top riders on that list that have like done something at a grand tour? For example. And I'm not necessarily necessarily saying for a victory. But to put them in the sort of the same category as Paul Seixas, which is like they're unlikely to be dropped. Right. Like if I look down this list. Is it are your Felix Gaul's interesting name? Is Florian Lipowitz an interesting name? Is Julie Chconé an interesting name for Sunday? Well, I think we're what you said about Seixas there is interesting because Seixas may not win, but he could help choose the winner. Because he could get away with somebody. You know, if he and Remko somehow rode away. And this is Del Toro. Yeah. Same deal. Same deal. He suddenly got someone who can help him and who can help him stay away. And I know Paul Seixas could help choose the winner and then finish fourth.

26:42Yeah, because he's probably going to be among the strongest couple riders in the race in terms of on that climb. Who's going to be able to want to make a difference, but then he doesn't win the sprint. So in relation to Chconé, didn't didn't you see a band throwing the sunglasses celebration? Am I am I just not sure that that happened? I mean, they probably tried to. I don't remember. So the interesting thing is there's no way he could resist throwing his sunglasses if he were to win. Does that mean he's not winning? You get taken away. Would he then be disqualified? I mean, we all knew the answer, but it's a fun thought experiment. And interestingly, cycling weekly doesn't even have Remko listed within the contenders. Really? Yeah. Why? I don't know. Petcox, Seixas, Del Toro, Banderpoll and Von Arch. Highly suspect from cycling weekly. And yet they put him on the cover. Wait, he's on the cover? That's him on the cover yet. But he's not in the thing. He's got like a smallest piece in the cover. Well, Del Toro is smaller.

27:44Any other, any other... I bought it for the pictures, so maybe if I do some reading. But they have some five contenders listed here and he's not warm. I like Tobias Hollen-Johanneson. Because he's been front-grouping a lot of things. And if there's a situation where, you know, let's say on the flat before the climb, there's a group of five and he gets away and they're all looking at each other. It's Remko looking at Del Toro and they're like, I don't want to pull him back. And they group to syndrome and he gets to go. He's been there late in some front-groups and races. I think the only way an outsider can win this race is to preemptus, to anticipate as the bells and so on. And to get out 80k to go. Being a group that attacks before the race, before the finale starts. With Pogaccio not here, there's a chance that the finale starts like in a more normal distance to go not 120k to go as Pogaccio would like to do. And so that opportunity has maybe opened up again without that happening for so long.

28:45Maybe it's an old tactic that comes back. Oh, and let's not forget that we're talking about teams of various sizes here. So some are eight riders and some are two or one and no radios. I'm plenty of strange allegiances. Yeah, you may be more aligned to a rider and a different jersey than your rider on your own team. Yeah. Well, we talked about this and the Tim Wellens not being here and it's instead getting yanked out. Yeah, genuine. You might see some weird things happen, like tactically, because that's what happens at Worlds. One, they don't have a clear picture of what's happening. They don't have somebody in their ear telling them what's going on. They don't know always how big the time gap is. They just have, you know, they have the board person, right? On the back of the moto. That's it. It's very old school. And so, yeah, I like we never really know what is going to sort of like what bit of information is going to be missing that ends up impacting the bike race.

29:47Yeah. Here's in that situation. A van R could be a favorite again. Yeah. So if he can anticipate the race, the rest of races can't chase him because they're bringing Renco back into contention or they're giving him a free ride in the contention. Is that a way for him to play the teammate card? Yeah. I mean, that like one of the reasons why I think both Renco and Wow are top favorites is because they got both of them. Right? The fact that you've got two options that will probably race and win differently. And you can essentially just pull that card depending on which way the race plays out. That's huge. That's absolutely huge for a race like this. That's going to be chaotic and difficult to control and all the rest that we just, we're just talking about. But that's the only way I see why I can win. And you can't be a top favorite if you're depending on anticipating the race. Yeah. And just the way I've read it. No. Matt Heyman was not a top favorite for the 21. Washing mouth out soap. He wasn't he wasn't incredible, but it wasn't the top favorite. And wouldn't it be as good as he had it being a top favorite. That's true.

30:47That's true. Let's pivot quickly over to the women's race. Abby not yet here. So I'm going to preface this with you need to go listen to Wheel Talk this week and get the full rundown and the deep analysis of this bicycle race that you are looking for. I will say that it's kind of hard to look past. Well, some of the same names, following Longo Burgini. I think that that if you are trying to make that delineation between who is good, Justin Grandtorz, who can be good on this particular climb. If you look at that, was it the ultimate stage of the Tour de France Femme with that little kicker? The fact that it was ballering in New Widoma over the top of that, but with Longo Burgini right there. I think that, yes, that was a much shorter climb. That sort of punch is what's going to be required on Saturday. I think that's a pretty good indicator of who's going to be an interesting, interesting set of names. Plus, Longo Burgini just won the mixed relay time trial.

31:49So clearly on good form. Longo Burgini, third on the podium in the World of Temptations in 2012. 14 years ago. Still, and still a favorite. Still going. Still going. Yeah. In that, was it the final stage of the Tour that Blossie was second to ballering? I think she also won Liezge this year. She's been on very good form all year. I think she'd be, Demi has to be, in my opinion, the number one favorite. But I'd put her, like, not too far behind. Last thing before we wrap up and we head to Golden Hour. Just a quick note that Derek G. West is out. So the local Canadian hope is out. The whole reason why Mike Woods came out of retirement to race his road bike again out of the race, which sucks. He had a pretty bad crash at GP Montreal and will not be in the men's race on Sunday. So let's take a quick break.

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