The Patrick Madrid Show: October 05, 2026 - Hour 1

0:00nationwide coverage of the Patrick Madrid show made possible in part by charity mobile. Compelling insights, unpredictable conversations, encouragement for your day, is the Patrick Madrid show on relevant radio. All right, longer, let's do it. All right, yeah, let's do it. Good morning and welcome back to the Patrick Madrid show. Hope you enjoyed your 21 hour break and we are back at it. This road show is back on the road again. My number is 888-914-9149. You may say, what kind of radio program is this? Well, it's hard to really define it. It's I like to think of it as a full service show. Don't have interviews. Don't do, don't have guests rather. Don't do interviews. It's just you and me. And whatever you want to talk about, it's informational. That's true. And unlike some other programs that only allow you to ask a question, you're more than welcome to make a

1:03comment too, if you wish. And I'll be happy to comment on your comment. You can count on that. So please let fly the number again, 888-914-9149. And of course, you can send me emails. Those go to Patrick at relevantradio.com. We'll do plenty of those yet today as well. Let's start off with Nick Indibute Iowa. Good morning, Nick. Welcome. Very Patrick. So I have a great devotion to Mary. I'm just trying to start the world of Pazelita, Afadaba. It's my parish doing the rosary twice or three times a day. I'm doing the same Michael Lens. It's very devoted. And I was very happy about it. And then all of a sudden, my spiritual director came up with a question that kind of floored me a little bit. It was how has devotion to Mary got you closer to Jesus? And it's just, and something I've been thinking about for a while in a certain way, I couldn't really come up with an answer to be honest.

2:06Tell me a little bit about the spiritual direction you're getting. What is the setting and how often do you meet the spiritual director? I knew with him once a month and tried, and the direction is basically just like, am I going in the right direction? I guess you can say, what am I doing as right? Am I doing everything not just group velocity, trying to what more can I do? When is it to my stuff like that? Sure. And I understand what spiritual direction is. What I mean is, is this, well, I guess you kind of explained it. And then your status, again, you are student? No, I'm a 35-year-old man. Okay. And I don't mean to be nosy, but this will help me understand how to answer your question. Mary, sure. I am very interested. Okay. That's what I need to know.

3:12Okay. So you're married three kids. Okay. All right. That helps me formulate an idea here. So I'm going to try to offer you what I might say if I were asked in your situation, how does Mary help me get closer to Jesus? Would that be a fair way to put it? Well, I mean, I just, I've read the books of Saint Louis the mom for it. And I know basically, he basically quotes that you can't love Mary more than you love Jesus. And that's kind of what I was kind of going for, really. But it's just, it's just kind of a confusing, it's just kind of way of just, back and spin, back in my brain a little bit. That's usually what comes to mind. Yeah. So when you responded to his question or when you, when you plan to, what do you have in mind to say? I am, that's why me and it's just like, I don't know really, I don't really know to be honest. It's like, it's not really something I've thought about. Okay. Well, then let's walk through

4:13this together. A few things that come to my mind would be the first person to ever know Jesus is Mary. Mary was his mother. He lived inside her body for nine months before he was born. She taught him how to walk and talk. She watched him grow. He lived at home with her. So if there's somebody we can take a cue from in the Bible as to who of all people would possibly know Jesus the best, it would be Mary. So if we want to know Jesus, then we should follow her example. And certainly, of course, her example is we see in scripture. She was the first Christian. I wanted to draw closer to Jesus because I want to be a good Christian, a follower of Jesus. Well, shouldn't we emulate those who came before us and who did a great job of that? I think so. So one superlative for Mary is that she was the first Christian. She heard the word of God from

5:15the angel Gabriel and said yes to it. She literally asked Jesus to become part of her life by conceiving him in her womb. She's the first Christian. I would say she's the first example of a Christian as we're told in Luke's Gospel to tell other people about Jesus. So after the annunciation, what does she do? She gets up and haste. We're told instead of saying that, she gets up and hasten goes to bring Jesus to somebody else, her cousin Elizabeth. So those are the kind of things that for me are very important. I would want to emulate the bless of Virgin Mary and the fact that she knew Jesus so well better than anybody else. And she gives us a model or a paradigm of what it means to be faithful to Jesus, faithful to the end. She brings me closer to Jesus in her example, up to an including standing at the foot of the cross watching her son die from my sins. So those are some of the things that I would talk about

6:16if I were in your situation. Now that may or may not apply to you. I hope it does, but I mean, those are things that are important to me. And so because she's a powerful intercessor and for the reasons I just mentioned, I want to have a Mary and piety that would point me toward Jesus. I think all those things do. Any thoughts? Yeah. And I can understand. I guess it's just really like because I even asked, I said, I could like, really, first I didn't understand it, but that's just really something I had to think about where I just, I said to myself, I was like, how is he, how has Mary through Mary to Jesus changed your heart instead of your mind? And it's just something, you know, I just really, it's just a question that, you know, like you understand, like that you go, you get to Jesus through Mary, but it's just like, is there more

7:19to it than basically just like married through Jesus? Is that like, like, have you loved Jesus as well? But yes, and it's like, but how? It's like, and you explained it, but it's just like, is there more to it? And I've been trying to, and I've been trying to say off of lectures, I've been trying to meditate through this and silence and everything like that. I've been trying to pray for this, trying to come up with an answer. And there's just something that I've been really bracken my brain with is that I just feel like there's a bigger question into this than to, like the Mary analogy of it. So yeah, I don't think, I mean, this is just my perspective, and maybe you and I look at it differently, I don't think there can be anything bigger than loving Jesus more. There's nothing beyond that. There's nothing bigger or better than that. So, right. But if that's the path you're on, if you're in the direction of seeking to love God

8:25more and more, expanding your heart, following our ladies example is always going to be a good, a good way to do that and asking her, her maternal, her maternal intercession, praying the rosary. So, I don't know that I can give you an answer. Those are my answers, but I would encourage you to just keep pondering and formulating. Okay. Well, I say, thank you very much, Patrick. You've helped me. I've called a couple of times before and you've helped me out through those times. So I thank you. I'm happy to hear that. Thank you. And let's pray for each other, shall we? I will do that. Thank you, Patrick. Yeah. Thank you, Nick. Appreciate that phone call in a shout out to our KCRD family in Dubuque, Iowa. They are the local Catholic community, the coitus communications, by the way. So what do we have? We have Dubuque. We have Plattville. We have Piosta. We have Dyersville. Our Lady of Good Success Network shout out to all of you. Thank you so

9:31much for listening to relevant radio. We're grateful. 88, 914, 9149. Let's go to Molly now and Koon Rapids, Minnesota. Are there raccoons everywhere over there, Molly? Or have they all gone extinct in Koon Rapids? There's a few whirlwind around you, you'll look hard now. But I wouldn't say that there as those rapids as the name would suggest. Got it. I figure like thousands of raccoons going over the rapids at any given time, swimming, but it's not like that anymore. Oh, yeah. It's like the Midwest Niagara Falls. There you go. There you go. Okay. I don't know that I've ever been to Koon Rapids. That'll have to go on my list. Yeah, I would recommend it. It's a nice and fairie. Thank you so much for taking my call by the way, Patrick. I really appreciate it. You're welcome. So I have a question. My one of a priest who I take a gentle from time to time. I heard him say that Jesus had Joseph's DNA as well as Mary's, so he was born. I guess I don't

10:38understand how that's possible because I understand that Joseph was obviously his earthly stepfather, but how would his DNA have ended up? Yeah, it didn't. So that's the short answer. He has no genetic connection with Jesus. The proof in the Bible is sufficient to make that point, because after all, when St. Joseph became aware that our lady was expecting a baby, he knew that it wasn't his baby. And he was in awe of God's plan and he didn't know what to do. So he thought, well, maybe I can send her away quietly to avoid any shame. And it's not that he doubted her. He didn't doubt her virtue. He didn't doubt that she was pure and chased, etc. He just didn't understand it. How can this be? What's going on here? And so the angel came and explained it to him. This child that she is going to bear is of the most high, giving him a glimpse into the miraculous nature of his conception. So it would be physically speaking, it would be impossible for St. Joseph

11:39to have a genetic connection with the baby Jesus who had already been conceived in his mother's womb. So even just the biblical evidence, and that's sufficient unto itself, to show that this notion is not true. So would he have only had married St. Joseph technically? Yeah, I guess I don't. Okay. Yeah, that's right. So Arlay, and what there's an interesting detail here worth considering. And that is the prophecy in Isaiah chapter 7 where a wayward king is being offered an opportunity to ask God for a sign of divine things. And he demures, but the sign is told in him anyway, that a a virgin, the word there in the Hebrew is Alma, meaning a young woman, but the connotation is specifically a virginal young woman, a virgin shall bear a child. And that is a miraculous thing because virgins don't have children. It requires, you know, who

12:42requires a human father to be get children. So that was fulfilled in Luke's gospel when the blessed virgin Mary was visited by the angel Gabriel and he told her this is going to happen. Now, fast forward for a second to Revelation chapter 11 where you see the ark of the covenant at the very end of Revelation chapter 11 where St. John says, then I saw the ark of the covenant in the sanctuary of heaven talks about thunder and lightning and hail and an earthquake. And then the very next sentence is chapter 12 verse 1. And then I beheld a great sign in the sky, a woman clothed with the sun and honor had a crown of stars standing on the moon. And she was wailing aloud in birth to give birth rather to this male child of hers who is destined to rule the nation. So the male child, as you see this unfold, is Jesus. And the woman can mean a few different things simultaneously. One of them literally at least is the mother of Jesus. That's Mary. Well, then go to verse 17. Read

13:48the whole drama of what happens. And then you see in verse 17 where the story sort of concludes there. And it says then the dragon went off to make war against the woman and the rest of her offspring. Here again, we see an unusual construction because seed is the the word that choose there. And women physiologically at least don't have seed. And yet it's referring to her in that way that you would typically see the the male referred to. And so that's that's another one of those subtle illusions here that demonstrates that Mary indeed is that virgin who conceived and gave birth to a child, baby Jesus. You see. So the DNA question simply, it simply means that her physical contribution to the Lord's physiology, his body, his genetic makeup, etc. All came from her.

14:49And the conception was miraculous, but there was no human father involved. Ergo, no DNA connection between St Joseph and baby Jesus. Okay, that makes sense. I really I really appreciate you answering that and just thank you so much for your show. It's been a huge part of my journey back to the church. My my mom recommended your show to me and I listened to it for a little over a year now. And it's been hugely helpful in my journey back to the church. So thank you so much. It makes me very happy to hear that Molly. Thank you for that. Please tell your mother. I say thank you as well because we're it not for her. Perhaps you never would have found relevant radio. So thank you to her and to you as well. I appreciate that. 888 914 9149. I have a question here that I'll probably wait until we get to the next segment. It has to do with bearing St Joseph statues in the backyard, the front yard, the side yard to sell a home. And a question came in. This is from Andrea. She wants to know what I

15:53think about this and I'll be happy to share my thought, but it'll take a little bit longer than the time that we have right now. So we'll defer that for a few moments and we'll get back to that question momentarily. Have you ever done that? Have you ever tried a sell house? Do you ever bury a statue? What do you think about that? Some people swear by it. They love it. They even sell kits with the St. Joseph statue and Catholic bookstores. So I'll talk about that when we come back from this quick time out. With flexible premium life insurance by sponsor Catholic Order of Foresters, a 40-year-old can get a million dollar coverage for under $19 a month. Go to relevantradio.com slash forester. That's relevantradio.com slash forester in Illinois Life Insurance Company not available in all states.

16:53Keeping it relevant. It's the Patrick Madrid show on relevant radio. Join the conversation at 888-914-9149. That's 888-914-9149. All right. Here's the question. St. Joseph, we talked about him a minute ago as the foster father of Jesus. But what about the idea of burying a statue to sell a house? I mean, that's a common thing nowadays. So here's the note. This is from Andrea. Thank you, Andrea, for writing to me. She's down Tennessee way. She says, I love your show and that's in cap. So thank you, especially for that. I listen every day. I've learned so much and I tell everyone I know about relevant radio. You and all the staff of relevant radio stay in my prayers. You're a big part of my life. Thank you, Andrea. We really appreciate that. So here's the core of her email.

17:54I'm a local realtor in middle Tennessee and I recently listed my brother's home for sale. My brother had asked me a couple of times about burying a St. Joseph statue and where could he get one? They're sold at our local St. Mary's bookstore and believe it or not, even at our local MLS real tracks office. So I understand that to mean you're a real estate office or a real estate office. This morning, I received a call from an agent who had shown a property yesterday. The agent said the buyers were planning to submit an offer. So I immediately called my brother to share the good news. So that's his property. As soon as he answered, I told him about the offer. He then told me he had just buried St. Joseph and was finishing the prayer when I called. When he saw my call coming in, he had prayed, oh Lord, don't let her hang up before I finished my prayer to St. Joseph. And that was in the end of it. We received a second offer that was even better than the first. And that is the one they accepted. Our family has discussed this tradition

18:55several times and I couldn't wait to call my 82 year old mother, who by the way still has all her faculties to tell her what happened. She poo-poozed the ritual however and told me a borders on superstition and that it is wrong to believe in it. I don't believe the statute itself is magical, but I truly believe in the power of prayer and that St. Joseph interceded for us. Whether the offers were miraculous or providential, the timing was remarkable, not one offer, but two. I would love to hear your thoughts on the St. Joseph tradition and where the lines between sincere devotion and superstition are. And that's from Andrea. Thank you, Andrea. I appreciate it. I haven't talked about this topic in some time, maybe quite some time. So I will say the following. Number one, in the Catholic Church, there is of course a long standing pious custom and it's a good one of things like burying a miraculous metal. Now the miraculous metal did not appear on the scene until the middle part of the 19th century. So it hasn't been with us very long,

19:56but that's something that I'm thinking about. Oh, let's say a diocese wanting to buy a certain tract of land where it can build a new parish church and the owner doesn't want to sell it. Well, maybe bless it with holy water. Dry by someday and nobody's around and you bless it with holy water. The priest or the bishop might do that. Burying a miraculous metal. I've seen miracles take place. I shouldn't say I've seen them, but I've certainly heard a bonafide miracles take place where suddenly the sale goes through. Bless salt, for example. So the idea, the pious custom and the idea of having these kinds of these sacraments present is not untoward. It's not superstitious. It's part of the, you might say, the economy of these sacraments. Sacraments are not

20:57sacraments. They don't give grace, but they nudge us in the direction of their external graces. In other words, and these external graces that God sends nudge you in the right direction if you're willing to be nudged. So the Holy Bible is a sacramental, rosary beads, blessed candles, making the sign of the cross, sacred images, our sacramentals, genuflecting is a sacramental and so on. So these are good and appropriate and holy for God's people to make use of. So that leaves me now to the question, well, what about this particular practice of bearing a Saint Joseph statue? So I'm going to say the following. It can be a benign practice, and I certainly can't argue with the people who have told me many times to bury a Saint Joseph statue and that it really works for them. Your example is just the most recent one, but I've heard many times over the people swear by this and they

21:58do it. Okay, fair enough, I'm not here to argue with the results. Sometimes the results are seemingly miraculous. But I personally am wary of this because it has become for most people, you know, by virtue of the fact that you, as you said, it's these kits with the Saint Joseph statue and the prayer are now sold in secular venues like this real estate MLS office. I've seen them. I've been in Catholic bookstores and you see the little package Saint Joseph in the prayers and here's that. I saw your house and all that. To me, that definitely smacks of superstition because for most people, they're approaching it in a superstitious way. They're not approaching it with devout faith in the Lord. They just want to sell a house. And if this funny, weird little trick, this one weird trick will sell the house for them, then they'll do it. You know, they'll spend the 20 bucks. I don't know how much those things cause, but somebody's making money on it. Man, I'm going to tell you my

22:59story now. I have a Saint Joseph statue story. I'm going to tell you now what happened to Nancy and me and then you can draw your own conclusion. So we owned a home. It was the first home we ever bought, but we outgrow it because we had a ton of kids. So there's a little 1165 square foot ranch style house. It was perfect for us when we bought it in early 1985, Southern California. And it was great for a while, but we had three children. And by the time we moved from this house, and let's see, so we moved in early 1985, we had to move out of it in the summer of 1994. So nine years later, we had seven children and baby eight was on the way. Nancy was out to hear with baby eight. So we couldn't stay there anymore because there's no more room for us. There hadn't been room for us in it for a while, but we made it work. In any case, we decided that we would rent it because we couldn't sell it. We could not sell this house. We tried, we tried, we tried, we would be on the

24:04market for six months or a year. We'd do price reductions. Then we'd take it off the market and wait a few months and put it back on the market. And we were poor. We didn't have any money for tidying up like painting and curb appeal in a new roof. We didn't have any money to do any of that. So the house was always clean and tidy, but we couldn't like do any upgrades. It was just what you see is what you get. And we were pretty much like at the end of our rope. I mean, we just can't sell this place. So what happened was one day, Nancy, and this is the first time I'd ever heard of this. Nancy said, Hey, I was talking to this lady in the grocery store or wherever. And she said, because I was telling her we tried for a long time to sell the house and it could never sell it. She said, try bearing a St. Joseph statue. She said, it really works. You bury a St. Joseph statue upside down in your yard, preferably the backyard. I said, why the backyard? Well, that's what she told me. Why upside down? Well, that's what she told me. And she said, if you bury the St. Joseph statue upside down in your backyard, you will sell your house guaranteed.

25:09So I still have a memory of Nancy and me sitting at the kitchen table with the kids all around us, kind of looking at each other like, come on. Would we really do that? And you know, we reached the conclusion, no, we're not going to do that. That that would be superstitious. So we thought, well, nothing else has worked. So let's make a novena to St. Joseph. And we made we started in a novena that very day. And we didn't really think much of it because we had just gotten so used to the disappointment of rarely getting a nibble, no bites, but we get a nibble here or there and that would always fall through. You know, might be interested. We never had gotten really any offers or anything. So we said, no, we're not going to bury a statue of St. Joseph. If not going to put them upside down or anything like that, we're just going to ask in Joseph to pray for us and help us. So we started in avena. And this is where it all comes together. On the last day of the novena, the realtor called and said, guess what? I've got an offer for your house. And Nancy and I said, what? Yeah, there's an offer.

26:15They like to come over, take another look at it. And there and then that same day, the last day of the novena, we had an offer. We accepted it. We sold a house. So could St. Joseph have been interceding for us? I think so personally. And I wondered ever since then, I've asked St. Joseph a time or two. Did you act so quickly and help us out the way you did because you were happy that we didn't bury your statue in the backyard? We pleased that we didn't do something that we deemed to be superstitious. Or would you have helped us sell the house if we had done that? So that's my story. We didn't do it. We didn't want to do it. We wanted to sell our house, but we didn't want to succumb to what we felt to be a superstition. Now I'm going to finish my comment this way. For you in faith, if you love Jesus and Mary in Joseph and you as a devout Catholic, understand the role of sacramentals. And you wish to in a reverent way,

27:21invoke the intercession of St. Joseph, I'm not here to knock that. I'm not here to judge that. All I'm saying is, and this is my theory, that the vast majority of people are not approaching it that way. You might be. I don't think the realtor who's maybe not even Catholic. I'm not talking about the lady who wrote me the email. Just, you know, the people down at that MLS office, I'm pretty confident that they're not approaching it as a matter of faith and intercession of the saints and all that kind of thing. For them is just like, hey, we don't know why this works, but it seems to work. So we're going to do it. We're going to sell these stash of the St. Joseph. That's where I personally draw the line. Now I don't know how that squares with what your mom had to say on the topic, I'm guessing she might be sort of meet me halfway on that one. But that's my take on this, Andrew. I don't encourage it. I don't recommend it. Would I recommend would be better than bearing a St. Joseph statue upside down or sideways or whatever?

28:24Would be to start in a venous St. Joseph and say, hey, the Madrid's tried this and you help them out. Can you help us out? I bet you think Joseph will say, oh, yeah, of course I can. So try that. 88, 914, 9149. That's the number to call to be on the air. Let's go to Doug in Texas. Good morning, Doug. Hi Patrick. Good to talk to you again. Thank you. I was calling. I want to call you all the time, but I like to save my questions for things. You can't really look up. So this is some advice I was trying to gather from you. How would you go about saying goodbye to somebody for the last time, specifically somebody on hospice? I guess, yes, it's a big drama. And I know it's going to be my last time, seen her after drive far away to see her. And I've had to do this once before and I really wish

29:30I could get it do over because I didn't really think about it going into it. And now that I think about it, I just don't know what to, I can't think of anything good. And I just thought you are probably somebody who's been in this position and and has any words of wisdom. I would appreciate. Well, I'll be happy to offer a few thoughts on that. As it happens, Doug, I've only had to go through this a couple of times in my life, which is weird in a way because I come from a really big family, a lot of people, a lot of moving parts. And only a couple times was I ever in the position that you're in now. So I don't have a lot of experience, but I'll offer you a few thoughts if you want. Is your grandma lucid? Is she awake? Yeah, so that's the thing is she all has to shout. She can she can barely hear. And apparently she's not speaking very well, but from what I can

30:30gather, yeah, like her eyes and her brain are working fine. Okay. Well, a couple thoughts. One would be if you want to express those feelings of goodbye to her and I love you and thank you and all the all the sentiments on your heart that you want to express to her. If she's not able to hear you very well, one thing is you could write it out in big letters. Thank you. I love you. You know, there are things you could do. So she's still able to read. That could be very powerful for her. You know, if she's not able to hear you, but yet you can still convey those thoughts to her holding her hand, you know, kissing her forehead, showing her with your demeanor, your physical touch. How much you love her. That'd be very powerful, I think. For her and for you, I would think. Another thing that comes to my mind would be to let her know that you're praying for her and that you want to see her again and you hope to see her again.

31:33One of the somebody asked me, I don't know, a couple of months ago, what's my favorite Psalm? And I remembered the Psalm, but I didn't remember the chapter in verse, but it's Psalm 27 verse 13. I love this. I've always loved this verse. I believe that I shall see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. I believe that I shall see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. And not only do I believe that for myself, with God's grace, of course, but I believe it for those who love Jesus and who are approaching eternal life. So perhaps if there's a Bible passage that you find particularly helpful or meaningful, share that with her. That's another thing that you could write on a large piece of paper and let her know, I hope and pray and expect and trust that I will see you again someday in the land of the living. And I'll be praying for you. And when you get there, please pray for me, Grandma. Those kind of messages are probably the most important of all

32:38in addition to the thank you. And I love you to let her know this is not the end. I'm maybe sure he knows all of this, but it'll be even better for her if she's a woman of faith to see her grandson being a man of faith. You know what I mean? Right. Yeah. So those are the thoughts. Yeah. That's the other kind of kicker is I am Catholic because of her. I will one of the reasons is because of her. And she probably doesn't even know that. And then to top it up, I'm not sure if she is anymore honestly. So why not ask her can I can I have a priest come and visit you? Yeah. Yeah. Have a priest come visit you. Maybe you can buy her about this by her a hand crucifix on your way there to visit her and have it blessed by a priest even and then give it to her so she can hold it. And that will bring her comfort. It will also bring to her mind if she's not able to

33:42hear and speak very well, but it'll bring Jesus to her mind. I mean, that could be very powerful in itself. Yeah. It's a good idea. Yeah. And if it's if she's willing, you say, you know, grandma, I'm a Catholic because of you. And I'm so grateful for that Catholic heritage that you handed down to me through my parents. You're going to be going into the next life soon. May I have a Catholic priest come and visit you and give you the sacraments. I wouldn't be surprised if she said yes, all of the things being equal. Yeah. What a great gift to her that would be from you. Yeah. What do you think? I think, yeah, those are all good. I guess sometimes the common sense answers are the best ones. I suppose I was overthinking it, but that all makes perfect sense. Yeah. I guess I was on a little in my head over the first time I got to do this. I just was all

34:43over the place and I'm hoping my father-in-law isn't having laughing at me for being such a mess when I tried to think about it, and I didn't want to have a repeat of that. So yeah, thanks. But just hearing that from you will calm me down. And I think I'll get through this now. So thank you, Patrick. Okay, you got it, Doug, and prayers for your grandmother and for you that this is the goodbye that you hope it will be, and I'm sure it will be. Thank you, Doug. Today we'd like to thank Mark, who's listening in Rhode Island for donating his 2019 BMW X3, built for the Autobahn, used for Walmart. You can join thousands of other listeners in donating old vehicles, trucks, boats, and RVs by visiting relevantradio.com slash car, that's relevant

35:48radio.com slash car. Compelling insights, unpredictable conversations, encouragement for your day, it's the patch of Madrid show, I'm no the radio. We married a daughter off last weekend, Cyrus. I think you knew about that, but it was great. And we had, you know, a Madrid family everywhere hanging from the rafters. It's a big group now. It's start off just Nancy and me, that's it. But you had mentioned you had camp grandma at your house for a couple of minutes. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, Nancy is, she's the best grandma. I mean, she's the best wife, but she's the best grandma and the best mom. Anyway, so I just posted a picture on X of the family in the sanctuary of the church where our daughter got married. And it's not even all of us. We had to use a white angle lens, but it's not even all of us. There are at least five of our grandchildren. Let me think. Yeah, five of our

36:49young adult grandchildren weren't able to be there. And I don't know if they make a white angle lens big enough. That's a great photo. Thank you. That wow. You must be so proud. I'm, you know, probably also maybe the most things grateful. Grateful to God. Grateful for his many blessings. And as Nancy and I now are, you know, we're not quite ready to write off into the sunset yet. That's hopefully a long way down the road. But we're getting down toward that end of our life. We're getting toward that phase of our life. So it really is a great, I just derive a great sense of gratitude to look to look now at all these smiling faces, all these people who 45 plus years ago didn't exist when Nancy and I got married. Yeah, and there are some inlaw kids in there as well, of course. But these people didn't exist. I mean, they, they're, but they were part of God's plan from all eternity. We just didn't know it. You know, it's just like anything else as life goes on,

37:52you just see how God is moving in ways that you just cannot. I can't, anyway, I can't fathom it. I can't predict it. I see it in the rearview mirror. But it's just amazing. So that's our little little family picture there. This is not even everybody there. I'm zoomed in and I've gone through. I've looked at everyone. Everyone has their eyes open. How is this possible with a photo of 180 people that have every single person with their eyes, their eyes open and smiling at the camera? And you know, this is not Photoshopped. I've never had a, I've never taken a family photo with five people as successful as this. Yeah, that's true. It's, it is, yeah, I don't know what to say. It's just, I don't know if it's luck or not, but the photographer was taking a ton of pictures as photographers do. Anyway, just wanted to mention posted that picture. So if you want to see us as we are today, you'll find it there on X, my address there is at Patrick Madrid. Hey, I got to ask,

38:57is the third in the middle row from the left, the first guy with a mustache, dark hair, dark mustache. Son in law. That's your son in law. Son in law. Yeah. Wow. I would have thought that was one of your sons. You would think, I mean, he definitely hasn't a very good, strong, aggressive mustache. That's a good mustache. You have some competition tradition. Some mustache competition there. Mine is all gray now. I'm not in competition mode anymore. He retired from a mustache. Yeah, you did. You went out like Jordan. I hope so. We'll see. Yeah, but no, that's a son in law, much beloved son in law. So, yeah, thank you, Lord. That's all I can say. 88 914 914 and continuing. Let's go to Carolie now and Cleveland, Georgia. Good morning, Carolie. Good morning, Patrick. Congratulations on the wedding. Thank you. Thank you. We have two more. We have another son getting married in January. And then we're down to the very last Madrid

39:59child to get married. Although there's no wedding on the horizon for him, but all but one at that point. Oh, that's exciting. Thank you. This the question I have, a couple of questions. My husband, and I were talking about the daily readings today, the gospel reading from Matthew. And we were, I said, I'm going to call Patrick on this. So Jesus says in that in the reading, I think it's from Matthew 19. Let me look here. Matthew 19, three through 12. That's right. Yeah. So the the piece that we were talking about and wanted some clarification on is Jesus says some are incapable of marriage because they were born so thumb because they were made so by others. So the question is what like what types of people would those be that Jesus is talking about who would be born incapable of marriage? Why would God make them that way? If he says previous to that, he said in the beginning,

41:05you know, people were made humans were made male and female. And that would be, you know, for the purpose of marriage, I would think. And then also who would he be describing as those made so by others? Yeah. So I guess those two questions. Happy to happy to offer some thoughts on that. So the first group. So he gives, as you say, three, you've got the people who are born unable to be married. You have people who are made that way by others. And then you have those who have forsaken marriage for the sake of the kingdom. So looking at those. And yeah. So in order, the first group are those who are in here, we're talking about men. And that is that they are impotent and unable to consummate marriage. So this organic natural physiological problem or condition, if you want to put it that way, renders them incapable of procreation. That's what that's referring to. And that's a fairly rare thing. I mean, it's not at all common, but it does

42:07exist. So there's some people who are at least physiologically speaking and capable of marriage. The second group refers to castration. And when he says they've been made so by others, you could think of like unix who would stand guard over heroms of women in Muslim, you know, Sultanates, that kind of thing. And then the third group would be those who freely choose to devote their lives to a life of consecrated celibacy for the sake of the Lord and for his people. And that would track with the men who choose priestly celibacy as part of their vocation to the priesthood. And there Jesus says not everyone can receive this, but those to whom is offered should accept it. So it's an allusion to ALL allusion to this life of consecrated celibacy. So you're not incapable of marriage nor have you been castrated, but you are making yourself

43:10a unique as the translation may be more literally says the word unique is used there. And so a unique it can be by birth as I explained can be by castration or in a figurative and symbolic way. It can be a man who for sakes marriage for the kingdom. Is that clarified better? It does. I had made that comment to him that I think Jesus was referring to Unix and he said, he was, I don't know, I think there's more to it than that. And I don't know if it's because of our culture that we're in and the definitions of marriage being different and changed, especially legal marriage now that we have with same sex unions. So I just, I don't know if he, if my, and this is more for my husband, but I think he was thinking

44:10and I hear this in conversation with people, especially when it comes to, and I don't want it to all go to the same sex union, but that seems to be the problem is that or I have heard people say, well, there's some people that just they don't have an attraction to the opposite sex and they could be married. So that Jesus wouldn't have been referring to somebody being incapable of marriage because of a psychological attraction or attraction. It could extend to that. I mean, it could, it could be understood in a broader sense, let's say a man who's mentally ill and he's incapable of marriage. But you'll notice that the context of the passage is the physical union between the husband and the wife and you know where Jesus says, this is why a man leaves his parents and clings to his wife and the two become one flesh. And so the context is talking about the physiological dimension of

45:15marriage that is ordered toward procreation. But more specifically though, I think for your discussion with your husband is that two words are used here in this passage. One is unix, so the plural for unix. And then the verb form is to make someone a unic which literally means castration. So the actual word for castration which is derivative of or derived from the word for unix is what's used there as the verb. So that's why I would say it's specifically referring to the physical dimension of this. It could be understood in a broader way, but most specifically it's physical. Yeah, so at that time period and in that context it would have been understood physically, not what we have now in culture. Yeah, and here's another dimension of getting to the question about same sex marriage. So the point of his discussion here is the physical union of the husband and the wife,

46:20the two become one flesh. And also the verse preceding that says that have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female. So here the Lord is giving us a paradigm for human sexuality. And there's no room. It's exclusionary of any other combination. It doesn't include two men or two women or some other combination. And that was pre supposed, it was understood by the crowd that I mean they weren't thinking well is it possible that two men could possibly get married because they would stone those people to death. What a horrible thing, but that was the punishment for homosexual activity under the mosaic law. I'm glad we don't have that anymore, but they certainly would have understood that as you know the penalty for homosexual activity. So there's no homosexual inference whatsoever present in the Lord's teaching here. Okay, okay. Yeah. And I guess he would stuck on it. Somebody who's incapable of marriage because

47:23they were born so. And it's just it's like well who are those people? So I think you explained that physicality and that. Right. And the in the word if he wants it, it's unicose from which we get the word unic. So EU and OUCHOS. Now here it's in the plural, but it is the literal meaning of this is a unique somebody who's incapable of getting children can also mean somebody who who gives it up as we see in the third verse. But that's the that's the word that choose there. Now the second word your husband's attention to at least or at least to consider is the verb where it talks about being made a unique and that is let me pronounce it correctly. You know, Chizo, it's the verb form were made unics and the literal definition according to Strong's concordances to castrate or to

48:25neuter a man thus making him a unique. So the literal meaning when he says those who have been made so by others refers to castration which means that the corollary in the first one which is they're incapable from birth means they're impotent and cannot cannot consummate marriage. Thus they can't procure. So that's right. So and we didn't have that translation. We just have incapable of marriage. So that was open to a lot of interpretation when we were discussing it. Absolutely. Makes sense to me. Okay. Well, thank you so much for your insights. You're welcome. I you know, it's not a not a topic we get to talk about very often but it's certainly worthy of consideration. Thank you for that, Carol. I appreciate it. Do we have time? Let's try Mary in Barry Vermont. Hello, Mary. We have about two minutes. Good morning. Good morning. Okay. I have a comment regarding the St. Joseph statue. We too about three years ago had a struggle selling our

49:28our house in New York. We were in the Hudson Valley area of New York. Just a lot of you know, a lot of people looking at it but nobody purchasing and we I did not very bestat you probably based on on relevant radio advice somewhere along the way. And but we did definitely have St. Joseph present in the house and and we ultimately have to go on St. Patrick's Day and the house the offer came in for the eventual sale on St. Joseph's day. Very nice. Yeah. Yeah. So I when you're seeing Joseph's trying to send a message like, Hey, well done. He didn't very statute but I interpreted it as and I furthermore, I was so pleased because it was a it was a fan was a nice young couple and I just felt like it was the it was a good thing. You know, and it ended up and they

50:31have a child now and you know, we go by the house and we know the house is in good hand. That's great. I'm that's a happy story. I'm glad to hear that Mary. St. Joseph pray for us absolutely. And if you're trying to sell a house, maybe do it in a vein in St. Joseph and step stand back and wait for a miracle. I've seen it.