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1:00Your path to pharmacy can be closer than you think. West Coast University's hybrid doctor of pharmacy program can be completed in as little as 33 months and no bachelor's degree is required to apply. If you've started pharmacy coursework elsewhere, WCU may accept eligible transfer credits to help students keep moving forward. Learn online, train hands-on at our Center for Graduate Studies in Los Angeles, and prepare for real-world pharmacy practice. West Coast University, as real as it gets, visit westcoastuniversity.edu. WCU cannot guarantee employment. Today on the Grave Talks, part two of the Dark Explore, a conversation with John John Montolongo. And it seems to me too that with what you do, I don't know if you have a name exactly for what you do, but it seems like people would go, oh, then you believe in all this evil stuff. When really, you're the guy going in and fighting the evil stuff. So you're the guy who goes in with faith on his side and God on his side.

2:03Yeah. There's like a Facebook profile out there right now who literally talks nothing but mess about us. Like, just page is called me like a devil worshipper. I'm a cult leader. I fake everything. I think the weirdest thing that he ever did, that thing that page has ever posted saying that I pumped poison gas into the city lines, making everybody a hallucinate, and they want to call me for investigations. Well, geez, you're much smarter than I gave you credit for if you could do that. Like, isn't this something that Ghostbusters said in the first one? Yeah, that's insane. Like, yeah, this one, I mean, like I said, I mean, we've had our fair shares of just people not understanding where we come from. And they think where they're like, oh, they're just going to come in with their stuff and try to cause more harm. And I'm like, and believe it or not, it's like you said earlier, I mean, it's mostly come from like people who say that they're Christians, people who say this, people who say that.

3:08And calling us and going into your home and then you're finding out different, you're like, oh, well, okay, this is totally different than what I thought. You know, you guys are way different than what I thought. And that's like I say, our reputation is something that is important to me because it helps out other families who are really needing help. And then they go on, they go on our Facebook page and they'll see all the reviews. They'll see everybody who's talking about us saying how much we hook them and all this other stuff and hey, you know, they are faith-based and all this other stuff. So this is the people that you really need. Yeah. If you are actually needing trouble, if you aren't in trouble, so to speak. You know, so. And I think that so often comments I try not to read them. So for all the people who might have said something negative about me, I'm sorry, I don't read it because I can't. That just then that's all you hear in your head. And really with what you're doing, it's not about if you've got an asked a comment for me, I really don't care because I really need to help that person and that family.

4:12And if I help them, that's what I do. It's not about you and your thoughts. Yeah. You can keep that to yourself. And I think anymore everybody sits behind a keyboard and they don't think other people care and have feelings, I guess. They can just be horribly cruel sometimes. But. Yeah, the keyboard warriors. Yeah, exactly. And with what you do, I find it interesting too because I've talked to other people about this. Yeah. Yeah. With this sort of situation, it could also be a mental health problem because there are people and I have known people that are schizophrenic and they're seeing things that aren't there. And despite the fact that you're telling them, that's not happening. There's no infiltration. There's no men outside your house in the trees. You know, that's not happening. You can't help those people. They need professional help in a different way. How are you able to kind of decipher the difference between somebody having a mental health crisis versus somebody who needs help with a demonic entity?

5:24Well, I can't really say what we do as far as our little tricks of the trade, but I can tell you like we have some techniques. Yeah, I do. So like whenever we get a call and say this person, this person, this person has like a, I believe I have something demonic in my house. All this other stuff. Okay, cool. Go in there and I have like little things that I have either in my hand and my pockets inside my hat, whatever it may be. And if they do not react to me, then I know that that's not something that's gone. That's possibly going on. Now, I've had cases to where I've literally had something in my pocket, you know, and I know that if if something truly is demonic or something evil or darker energy that is in there, they write away. Just feel that energy coming from wherever I have the object that or whatever it may be.

6:24And it's like they cannot keep their eyes off of it. And it's like they watch it and move it with it. And no matter what I do or no matter where I go, they will keep their, they can pick and literally talk to Jordan, talking to her about their eyes would be on me, movie around and see what I'm doing. So that's how that's one of the things that we look out for. The other thing is too, like some, I mean, I can always say this too. I mean, I will sometimes like put only water in my palm, my hand. And when I go in and shake their hand, you know, I just see what their reaction is. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. And, you know, if they don't, I've had somebody go out. And I'm like, okay, well, I didn't do anything. And then I've had some people who just don't react at all. That's interesting. That's what's one thing we, we, as a, there's a couple of things that we do all the time, you know, but a lot of the times to, um, because I can, I can pretty much estimate on the age range of our cases that people who are filling that they are needing extremely help because of something demonic or something that's going on their home.

7:29As people who are like in their age group of like 40 years old to 50 years old. And simply because how taboo paranormal was to speak about back in their younger days, they didn't know how to deal with that because everybody has some type of ability. You know, there's not one person who doesn't have something. They either, it depends on it's either zero or it's all the way up to 10 or it's in the middle. You know, so depending on how other abilities are sort of speak. In some cases, people who are at a 10 and have been like that all throughout their life, but had no one to speak to. Has it really gets to the point of where they turn to like heavy drugs. They turn to alcohol to some to quiet it. Yeah, quiet down. But then they don't have anyone still to talk to you. So when we get called to a particular case like that, it is something that's mentally going on that's up there. But at the same time, it's like, I need to talk to this person one on one and let them know like, hey, I'm here with you.

8:30I've been through this before. I've been to the point where hey, you can't talk to this talk about this, you know, because people will think you're crazy. But I'm here right now and still let you know like, hey, I believe you 100%. You know, so and most of the time that's all they really need is somebody there just to talk with about, hey, I'm not crazy, right? You know, you're not crazy. You know, I've done through this. I've been through this. I've lived through this. You know, I know what you're feeling and let's just talk about it and having that sit down, whatever may be two or three hours, whatever may be. I mean, you can just tell by them getting that off their chest does. It just changes their life and how they look at things and even how they you can just kind of see like the glow back in their face already. Because it's like, oh, finally, somebody who cares. Somebody who cares, you know, and most of the time it's just like that. You know, and then we don't leave, you know, just to leave it like that.

9:31Okay, we're gone. But we'll sit there and talk with them. We sit there and give them like, okay, this is what you need to do from now on. So that way you're able to quiet down these voices. You're able to quiet down all these things. You're able to decide decipher what's actually coming into your home. What's trying to cause you harm. What's actually just around because they notice your light and they want to talk to you. But at the same time, you don't know how to deal with that. So you need to learn to say no, I can't help you. You know, so we try to give them a whole lot of things before we leave. And then we keep their numbers and all these other stuff. So any time that they run into trouble or they just can't deal with it for some reason on or they just had a bad day at work and they get their emotions and everything is so wide open and easy. And then they just don't know what to do. Because they're so overwhelmed. Hey, give me a call. We'll talk through it. We'll message you whatever through it. I mean, we're there for you. You know, so that is just one thing that we do. But a lot of it. I mean, it has to do with mental illness. But even though I'm saying mental illness, it doesn't really mean that it's mental illness.

10:34It's just they just didn't know how to deal with it anymore. And it led them to like a weird path in the life where you know, they just look like, Hey, I don't know what to do anymore. I'm emotionally broke down and all this other stuff. And I don't know who to talk to. There's been a couple of cases where it's literally been, you know, somebody who has a genuinely, genuinely mental illness who had been to like the doctors who have been to the silums and stuff like that. And, you know, and I tend to think that sometimes because of their on that, their on that spectrum that they are so open that they allow things to come into the house. And even though that is happening that even though that they are experiencing that through the multi illness, they can still bring something into the home. You know, they can still bring attachments, a stuff like that into the home, any weird energies into the home because of how they are already. It can allow things to come in, you know, so we do our due diligence and we still pray over the house. We still blends the house. We still cleanse the home. We still do all the other stuff.

11:35We still pray over everybody if they allow us to pray over them. Even the person, even the client, even though he may be suffering from a multi illness, just praying over him and her and allowing them to know like, okay, you know, he prayed over me so I should be good. I'm okay. You know, and getting them to that stage is something that they just need. You know, so we do all that. You know, we try to take care of every single body, even the dogs and cats. You know, we do everything. I listened to some EVPs that you sent. I wanted to talk about a couple of them. I'm going to pull these up and you can kind of set this scene. It was a crematorium where you hear, help me. So I'm going to play a little bit of this and sometimes in the EVP, so if someone's listening, you might have to put on headphones to hear it. Might have to be someplace quiet and turn it up. Because if you're out mowing your yard with your earbuds in, you might not be able to hear it. But tell me a little about the crematorium and set this one up before we play it.

12:40Okay. Crematorium. So that is a mini, I don't want to say mini-matchin. It's called the Watson House. Pretty much it's known for just, it was a mansion that turned into a, what's it called, a funeral home and all those other stuff. And there's been a lot of like crazy shadow figures in the place. There's been a lot of EVPs. But the thing with the EVPs though, the owner has told me that they are very quiet. And they only want to talk to people who want to, I guess, who they want to communicate with. So like the entire time that we were there, I mean, we were running EVP recours all night long. We really didn't catch anything. But when we were doing this phone-to-phone method, which, you know, we call each other's cell phones and we put one cell phone in the target area and the other phone is in this kind of, or we're going to be at.

13:40So upon doing this, you know, we were doing this session just like that. And we really didn't get any very much. But this last part, when we went to go retrieve the other cell phone from the crematorium, is when we got the EVP help me. And that was like the only one that we had, like legitimately all night long. And it was just right in the mix of how everything is like, we're all talking and all those other stuff. And me listening, because it's all a bunch of guys out there, it was myself and Jordan was already a, she was already in bed. And then it was two other investigators and they have distinct voices already. So like when I went down there and I was listening to the EVP again, I was like, wait a minute. You know, there's no woman down there. You know, and just listening to it again and again. And I was like, okay, that is a straight-up EVP that says, help me. And I don't know if it was like something that was a person who I passed by or I may not pass by, but a person who has passed away or whatever it may be.

14:40But the odd thing about it is in that area of the other of the mansion, that was like the area of where they say that the darker energy is at. So. Oh. I don't know. I don't know if it was like something darker that was just trying to communicate and just trying to be a put up a front or is actually something that legitimately needed help. So I'm going to play the part leading up to where you hear help me. Here you go. That's where you hear it right there. And so I made it a little bit louder. That helped me. Like that's pretty incredible. Just listening to the voice it literally does sound like that person, that thing, whatever maybe the spirit is actually needing help.

15:40You can just tell in the tone. Yeah, and it's it's just help me. And it's high. And if Jordan was only woman there and she wasn't even there. Yeah, she was we were already so this this is a three story house and it's probably like about 10 12 rooms or something like that. And we were already outside and we're literally way outside the creamie torium is like outside and all the way down maybe another flight of stairs off on the yard on the property yard. So it's like and then it's in covered in concrete like it's all concrete. If Jordan was even saying anything, I mean, she would have the strongest lungs ever. No, in the highest voice ever to even hear anything like that. So yeah, it was it was not her. No way. So there's another one where I'm not exactly sure where you were. But here I very strongly hear secrets.

16:43Yeah. And tell me a little about that that investigation. So that location is in mineral wells at the Nazareth. Let me interrupt you real quick about mineral wells, Texas. That is one haunted city, isn't it? Yes, it is. Oh my gosh, they've got like the Baker hotel there. There's a house all of a sudden I can't think of the name of it. Very haunted house there. I've heard so many stories about this city. Yeah, so we were in the Nazareth hospital in mineral wells. Now, around this time I was I'm a full time photographer. So I got hired to do some photos there for the hot that was coming up for them for the season. And I didn't have really equipment at all. I think I just had a recorder and they have of course they have like little security cameras. And that's about it. And I only had my regular camera, which it's not anything for paranormal. It's just you know, photography. So it was storming on that day and stuff like that. And then the owner was just like, hey, you just want to do like a random investigation.

17:45I was like, I guess so. I mean, I only got like my recorder and I got nothing to do today. So, okay, let's do it. So upstairs and went straight to the fifth floor. Now the fifth floor in the Nazareth hospital is like the most active floor. Now there's some something that's super dark in there. I don't know what it is, but man, it's really, really dark. Let, let up what led up to that EVP that you're going to be talking about was. I started from the back end and you go actually to the YouTube channel. I kind of you, it's like one EVP two, three and four. So like it's literally in order. So I start going into the fifth floor to the left hand side. And on the left hand side, there's like a puddle of water there. And I'm actually just standing in the middle of the hall. And I'm talking out loud to this thing. I'm like, hey, if you are here, I want you to come up close to me. Stand next to me. Do whatever you want and all those other stuff. Just calling it to me. And then next thing you know, I hear what sounds like a barefoot hitting water. And the water splashed on my ankle. And I was like, what?

18:45So I literally said, hey, dude, I felt like a splash on my ankle. And it sounded like a barefoot. Like you get out of the shower and you hit your foot on the floor on a, on a pigment or whatever. You know, when you're going swimming and you're running through the concrete, you literally sounded like that. And I was like, it was like right here. And he was like, okay, let's go ahead and do more. So what I did after that one was I left my recorder in the middle of the hallway. And then we took off to the back end of the, of the, of the hall of the office. So at that point, I was still calling it over to me. And then on this particular EVP, you could hear them say, we go, yes, let's go. And then they were actually approaching us. And you can hear that conversation between those two things, whatever was going on. But they were intelligent enough to say, hey, just have a plan. Let's go over there to them. And then as soon as we get there, you can hear them say, John has secrets. And I'm like, okay.

19:45But I don't know what's going on. But if you actually, there's another video that I have there. But towards the end of it, we're all just standing there. And then we're hearing things walking around us. So then the owner was like filling weird water on her head. And this room had no leaks in the roof. And the ceiling, I mean, and she was like, there's water on me. And I was like, see, there's no water in there's no leaks in there. This room is dry. No, she, I have water leaking on me. And I'm like, okay, well, let's try on a flashlight. Turn on the flashlight. There's literally water droplets on her head. And then we were going to go to the back end of the room. And then we looked down. And then there are these big feet that look like claws all over the floor. And they're like size probably like size 20, size 18s. I mean, and then they had like some weird looking claws that were long fingernails. And the toes were twisted everywhere. Oh. It was weird. And I'll send you that one. But so you can actually look at it.

20:47That was all in one take, like within an hour, a timeframe, an hour, all those EVPs and all that happened within that timeframe. And here's the John has secrets. And I should say you'll hear some talking and stuff in the background first. And then I took that part of the audio. And I denoised it a little bit, made it a little bit louder. Like you very much hear secrets right there for sure. You hear like has secrets.

21:47John has secrets. Now the only thing that's important to you is you actually did a minor right in that building as well. There was a friend of the owners who needed help. But the odd thing about it is like I never met this person. And I just literally saw him and passing or whatever maybe. And like when I saw him, I was like, oh, there's something attached to him. And I never knew his name or anything like that. I just knew. But then four months later, I get a call from the owner. I was like, hey, my friend needs help. And we think that there's something like truly on him. And we need him. We need you over here. So I was like, okay, cool. Went all the way over there to Miner Wells. And it took my own. I took my spooky bag. So to speak and went over there and literally had a minor right in that building. And he was growling and everything like that too. So whatever was in that building and whatever was on him did not like me at all.

22:48And I get why? You're probably threatening. Oh, yeah. And they're trying to intimidate you. I mean, that would make sense. And there's another one that you sent that I'm not playing the audio. Because I did find it disturbing. So just imagine in the exorcist when Reagan is screaming demonically and say, that's what it feels like when she's screaming out. And so you just hear a lot of pain in this woman's voice. And it kind of triggered me. And I thought this could trigger other people. It might not be something they want to hear. So certainly go to your YouTube channel and listen. And. But you were giving a client a blessing blessing. Yeah. So I can give you the story on this one. So like with this particular case, she was already, she already had two exorcisms performed on her with actual priests. And for some reason, it wasn't, it wasn't working. It wasn't doing what it was supposed to do.

23:49And who knows what was going on. Now she called us now that now why not she called me, but this case was given to me by a preacher. So he was like, OK, it's your turn. So to speak, go ahead and try to see what's going on. I'm like, all right, let's do it. Went all the way over there. Now I met this person that this person was probably about five foot tall. Maybe something like that. And maybe about 200 pounds. You know, so just set in the stage. We get there. And of course, I did my trick that I usually do and right away. She was noticing. And it was not just me. It was in a particular hand. And she was just watching that hand. And I noticed it right away. And I was like, OK, well, all right, this is going to go down. So I got myself prepared on this other stuff. So I asked her, you know, I really, we don't do anything without permission. So that includes prayer. You know, so they have to visit. They had to actually say, yes, I want you to pray over me.

24:51And I give you permission. So as soon as she does that, we get ready. And we start praying over her. Now at first, it was me now. I'm about five, five, seven, five, eight. And I'm like 240 right now. But I'm not fat, but I'm built. And so it's not like, you know, something can just bring me down and all this other stuff. I start praying on her and then I put my hand on her forehead. And the moment that I put my hand on her forehead, I have this medallion in my head. And I put it on her forehead and she did not like that or that thing did not like that. And right away, she starts fighting with me. Now put that in perspective. I'm five, eight, 240. My brother who was with me at that time, he's about five, ten. He's probably about 220. The other guy that was with me, he's about six, two. About another two, 60 and then her husband is probably like around five, six, five, five. And he's a good, you know, 200 pounds to get literally took all of us to hold her down.

25:55And then she was still standing up. Oh, wow. Like she wasn't grabbing onto the couch. She was literally, because um, Daniel had one hand and then her husband had the other hand. And my brother had her, her leg. And I was, I pinned down my, my body weight on her other leg. And it was like she was almost like doing squats and she just stood up like that. And the growls that were, and the voices that were coming out of her, it literally sounded like there was three different people in there. You did. And three growls and all these other stuff. And yeah, like I, like you said, it may be triggering for some people because hearing that type of stuff, I mean, it's, it's actually, you know, it's not something like, oh, we're gonna fake this. And I have the video too, but I'm not gonna post that because of my, you know, private, the privacy stuff that I believe that I have a, that I have a from a client. But if anybody wants to hear the audio, I mean, just go check out the, the YouTube page and you can see it for yourself. And it's, it's dark explores EVP sessions number two,

26:58Mansfield, Texas. Yeah. So go ahead and look that up. And you can hear it for yourself. It bothered me. It, think of the exorcist in that way, Regan would scream, I was kind of like that. And it just, it just, I found it unsettling. But one thing I do worry about with people like you is that, are you able, you know, we all need to leave work. We need a work life balance. You need to be able to go out and have some fun. How do you have a work life balance? I mean, you actually have a job. And you do other things. But how hard is that to leave it behind when you leave a house like that one in Mansfield? And you just dealt with her. Do you just go, Hey, I'm hungry. Let's go get some breakfast. I mean, how are you able to separate it? Most of the time I'm like, I like, it doesn't really face me that much. Okay. But it does drain the body. Oh, yeah. So literally, you know, I don't feel the effect, but my body feels like it's run a marathon

28:01or whatever it may be. And, you know, we're literally the next day is just, we're just crushed out, you know. And it feels like you have, you know, I will call it like a spiritual hangover, so to speak. So your whole body just fills it, you know, and we take our time. We order food. We go out to the garden. We go to the back and just kind of soak in the sun and do whatever it may be. I mean, pretty much that's what we do. But, you know, other than that, you know, we always try to spend the evening. We always try to spend, me and Jordan spend time with each other and just, you know, do what we want to do. We work on our office, you know, because we're renovating the house too. So we're just doing little things here and there just to keep our minds out stuff and, you know, let it just go on that way. But, you know, we do say prayers in our house and pray over each other that way. So, you know, anything that is trying to attach to ourselves or whatever it may be, we're just cleansing our house, you know, cleansing each other. You know, nothing stays around. But, I mean, nothing you do, I mean, it always takes its toll, no matter what you do.

29:05It always takes it, you know, and you can be somebody, you know, who doesn't believe in whatever, maybe. But the type of energy that you deal with is something real, you know, and it can affect you in any way, shape or form. You know, it doesn't necessarily have to go after you. It's like we tell people it doesn't really, you don't have to say, I kind of believe in demons. That's cool with you, but you don't believe in them. But, you know, when it's trying to get to you, it doesn't go after you. It goes after your family members. It goes after the weakest people in your life, you know, either it be your kids, grandkids or somebody who's already kind of battling with health. You know, it goes after them first because it wants to break you down. And once it breaks you down, it knows that you will be vulnerable for it to come in. And then once that happens, that's when the game starts. We do all we can to protect ourselves and make sure that, you know, we are, our family is, is, you know, in good standings with everything. I mean, we pray for them, we pray for our clients, we pray for our friends because we know how these things work.

30:06But most importantly, we take time from each other and try to just move forward, you know, from it. Before Jordan, you know, the, the, what I would do is just like, yeah, go get food, go out and just take pictures of, you know, whatever's out there in the country or whatever may be I come across, you know, just traveling, whatever, but not only my thing, we're just work out a ton. Which by the way, you're an incredible photographer. John John had some great pictures of the eclipse. Great pictures. I was like, oh my god, I wish I could have seen that. What do you have any advice for someone who, how do you keep from being in this situation? How could somebody, I don't want anything demonic around me. I don't like, I don't want that energy around me. I'm a very positive person. But what can someone do to protect themselves? Basically, what we always say is just trying to have faith in something that you believe.

31:07You know, it doesn't, we don't really try to put Jesus in your face, Jesus in your face. But it's always like, hey, whatever you believe in, you got to hold heartily believe in it and not have like, I believe in, you know, a multiple of things because that really doesn't say like, my foundation is this. So we always say find something that you can just firmly believe in something. You know, it doesn't have to be God, but you know, yeah, it may be helpful because it had, you know, but star off my baby steps, you know, just have something that you can firmly believe in and then work from there. You know, and you'll you'll you'll actually graduate because young you'll start seeing more of like, okay, I need to learn lean towards this more early and learn towards that more. And you'll just find your path there on your own. So we're not going to be just like, hey, Jesus all the time. It doesn't work like that for some people. So we have to actually work with them, you know, so and sometimes that's not the case. And they just need to hear like, hey, no matter what you need to find a good foundation and start believing in that.

32:12Even though we can testify to it too as well, you know, just because you have a strong faith based on it doesn't mean that things will stop, you know, because things will test you always things will always test you no matter what. If you're doing good, there's something that's going to come along to like, okay, well, you're doing so good. We're just going to test you and see how you see how you really are. It's a struggle. And, you know, and like I said before, I mean, we've had we've had our broken hearts and we've had our bumps in the roads with with things like that that's coming to our life. And, you know, we've had our brows too. So I mean, it's weren't we're not. You know, separated or anything like single doubt because of what we do. And what's the best way for people to get information about you? I'm assuming you're on all the socials Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, all that. Yeah. Dark Explorers Paranormal team. Yeah. So if you really need to reach out like really reach out to us, Facebook would be the best way. And that is on dark. This floor is paranormal. We reply super fast. So whatever it may be, just send us a message and we'll get through that.

33:17But if you want to look at the evidence, it's on YouTube for dark. This floor is paranormal. If you want to look at the photos that I take, you know, and like I said, and you mentioned, you know, I'm a professional photographer or a tool. Great photos. Yeah. I have a lot of stuff on there. And that's John John's photos on Instagram. And also, I believe it's on TikTok as well. And there's some short clips on there as well. But yeah, have you wanted to call us and get us direct direct. That's a darkness. Or is paranormal Facebook. Well, I'm going to start following you on Instagram right now because I want to follow those photos. I want to see all of them because you're really good. You've got a great eye. I appreciate that. But thank you so much for taking the time to do this today. I so appreciate it. It was a great conversation. And I'm going to fully admit I'm glad we did this in the middle of the afternoon. And not right before bed. I don't think I did so well going to sleep. I see those even peace.

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