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3:04Who has it better than we do? Nobody. All righty. Good morning. If you're watching the program NBC Sports Now or peacock, download the app if you haven't done so. We say good morning to our radio affiliates around the country. Perhaps around the world. Stad of the day brought you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the program. Play the day poll questions. Stad of the day. All of that forthcoming operator title sitting by. You'll take your phone calls. A 773 DP show. Email address dpadampatric.com Twitter handle a DP show. I almost forgot the phone number. Did I get the phone number right? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Yeah, Paul. It does happen. Sometimes something so obvious. Yes. I have a garage door code. Like you punch it in. Eight years been there. I forgot it two days ago. Is that on me? Yeah. Do you remember your phone number as a kid? Yeah. Yeah. You can't give it up. No, I'd probably because who knows who has that now?

4:06Yes, Dylan. That happens to me with the spelling of words. I was trying to think of how to spell through like going through something. And I was like, I completely blanked. I was like, does a G. I don't know. Oh, you G. Yes, Todd. I did that with my home alarm. And also recently I was at the gas station a few weeks ago. And I forgot what my debit card password was. And it wasn't working. I tried three different things. And I'm panicking because I was very low on gas. And the guy can't help me. I didn't have cash on me. So I'm like, what the hell? I finally figured it out. Sometimes they ask for your zip code when you're at the pump. Oh, they help retrieve it or let it make it work. No, don't make sure it's you. Oh, to make sure it's you. Yeah. Like that's an extra security step. That was a very troubling moment for me. The senior moment. I need gas. What the fuck up? I had to ask somebody what is our area code or zip code? Like they're on the other side of the pump. And I go, what's the zip code around here? And they go. And then they go, oh, yeah, deal. I swear I didn't steal this credit card.

5:06What's the zip code here locally? Yeah, Paul. Should we talk to somebody? Should we have like a neurologist or something come in? Something. I tried to spell the word who's the other day. And I started with an H. That's not a good sign. Who's? Yes, Todd. The worst thing when like you could be holding your phone or your keys and looking for them at the same time. That's frightening. You're holding, where's my sunglasses? It's attached to your neck there and you're sure. Welcome to the program already in progress. How Michael's joins us later on. Joey Votto and Lone from NBC Sports, part of their baseball coverage, the raise over the Guardians tying the series. Shohei Otani expected to start for the Dodgers game three coming up tonight. Here is the question to Dodger manager Dave Roberts. Hey, Dave. Have you talked to Shohei today? And you don't feel be in there tomorrow? I did. Talk to Shohei had a great conversation. He's adamant. He feels good enough to be in there. He's close to finding something with his swing.

6:07And I feel great about it. And so yeah, he wants to be in there and help us win a ball game and win a championship. So great conversation. And I'm excited about having him in there. I don't know how he ensured he is or did the injuries lead to the slump? Is he at least the thought of putting him on the bench? Was that due to performance or his health? How that conversation go where your Dave Roberts? Hey, you want to play in game three? Because really it comes down to Otani if he wants to play. But if you're Milwaukee, if you don't take the Dodgers down now, you're probably never taking them down. L.A. has already lost games started by Terrick Scooble and Yamamoto. You got Otani three for 20 in the postseason. Will Smith is one for 23. Through six postseason games, the Dodgers have only one player record a hit with runners in scoring position.

7:07And then you throw in Milwaukee's bullpen. They've been lights out. They have a ERA of 0.31 in almost 29 innings. They've allowed one earned run. If you don't get them, you're never going to get them. And I think that's... It's not like the pressure is on Milwaukee. But boy, it does feel like there's more pressure on them, even though they're up two games to none. Because if you let the Dodgers back in this, you know the pitching's going to be great. You got snow, then you got glass now, two former Tampa Bay rays. And then you'll go back with Scooble again and Yamamoto. Got to take him down. Because if it doesn't happen now, I can't imagine this scenario or the window being this wide open. You have your bullpen. You have a different approach to just getting the ball in play, not everybody swinging for home runs. And you don't be... You don't appear to be afraid of the Dodgers. And afraid is too strong of a word for professionals.

8:09I don't think you're bothered by the Dodgers. I think you feel like you're the best team in baseball. At least you better think that way. Yeah, Marvin. And I think with the Brewers, they were in the NLCS this time last year and got swept. So they know what it takes to get back here. And I'm sure they're like, it's a whole lot of work to get back here. And we're up two O. So we have to take advantage of this now because you saw this with the Blue J's last year with Vide Guerrero Jr. You're sitting in the dugout. I always remember that like, you know, harder to what's to get here. I don't know if we'll be back. Yes, Dylan. And is the comfort of being up to nothing bridal a little bit by the ability to blow that lead to like the comfort that you have being up also gives you opportunity to kind of come crashing all the way back down. Wow. Got dark philosophical. Did you bring out bridal? Bridal, yeah. Okay. Okay, we're yes, Todd. And it's also the whole the series doesn't start until like the home team loses kind of things. There's just so you got that.

9:09It's floating around you. Okay, you won the first two games. You were supposed to do that. On your home field. Yeah, I think the series doesn't start until the road team wins. Yeah, I think you said it a little better than I think. Thank you. It's basically the same idea. Yes. Technically, I checked. It did start with game one this series. There that was the official start was. Yeah, thank you, Todd. First hour brought to you by chat GPT work. Give it a goal help turn scattered materials into finished work. It started at chat GPT dot com selecting work mode available on plus and pro plants. Phone calls always welcome 877 3DP show. Would you have poll question wise hour one, Dylan? Well, then, even though they're up two games to nothing is tonight a must win game for the brewers. Yes or no? Now, in hockey, to nothing, most dangerous lead. I'm not going to say it's must, but it does feel that way. Like it feels like this is more important. You can't say more important because the Dodgers can't go down three.

10:09But it I think there's pressure on the brewers. Let's win this game. Let's load up to win this game because then it gets desperation time. Yes, Todd. Also, because I don't think much of the American league teams that are still left, but I'm going to say the winner of game three tonight is winning the whole thing. I heard it here first. Whoever wins tonight's game will be World Series champions. Now, crazy is that with just four teams left. I know I'm really going on in a limb here. Anybody want to bet Todd that the winner of tonight game three wins the world. The national league is going to win the whole thing and the brewers are going to win. If they go up three, oh, they will not lose for a row. That's my whole premise. I understood your premise and the Dodgers, if they cut it to two, one, they will ultimately win the series. And then one of those teams will beat the race. And then the winner will go with the guardians. That's basically one thing. Yes, Dylan. I mean, I'll take the other side of that. I don't think whoever wins tonight is necessarily going to win the World Series.

11:11We'll back row. That doesn't seem that strong. You said necessarily. What was that supposed to mean? He had to do your bets. Leaving the room for error. Anything's possible, but I don't really think necessarily that's going to happen. All right. Any other poll questions here? First hour. If I was the Dodgers, I would play O'Tani or give him the night off. I got to have the threat of O'Tani in the lineup. He doesn't look comfortable at all. But I still have to have that. It's almost like Kurt Gibson. You know, Gibby was there on the roster. And it was one pitch. It changed the entire complexion of that World Series. I know it's not the same. Because they didn't expect Gibby to be able to play it all swing about. And Tommy puts him in and he homers off. But O'Tani, can you hide him in the lineup a little bit there? Like you can't have him lead off or clean up. Do you have him seventh in the lineup?

12:11I'm waiting for Teosker, Hernandez, to home tonight. I think his odds are about the same as Shohei O'Tani to home tonight. Yeah, Paulie. Would you consider that strategy sitting O'Tani for the first few innings, but having that in the chamber ready for later innings? No, because then I'm putting even more pressure on him. When he's there in the fifth or sixth inning, as opposed to go up there, see how you feel and get a swing in here. And maybe you measure. You're able to measure the pitches a little bit better. But who's pitching tonight for the Brewers? Is it Gasser? I think so. That's a great pitching name. Yeah. Not a great name for sitting on a guy across, you know, on a flight across country. Hey, Steve Fastball is our pitcher. Hey, Jimmy Gasser. Oh, no. Yeah.

13:11Tommy, Tommy Fastball. Yeah, so Gasser, it's going tonight. 8773DP show, email address, dpadampatric.com, Twitter handle, dpshow, there. I think I got it all done. I got the merchandise store, dpadampatric.com's and great new gear there. Fun for the entire family. Yeah, Paul. Robert Gasser versus Blake Snell. Based off names, you'd have to bet on the brewers. Yeah. Yeah, Blake Snell. He's pitch great in the last month or so. But this is, you know, when you think about everything that's fallen in line in place for you, now you won the games in Milwaukee. It's not like they gave you those games. You have guys who were struggling, runners in scoring position. Oh, Tommy, your bullpen's been unbelievable. And you got an opportunity now that a lot of people probably didn't think was going to happen. It leads me up to go going into this game tonight.

14:12Once again, it was the raise over the Guardians of that series tied it one game apiece. Freddie Perolta looked great. His nickname is Fastball Freddie. He threw 99 pitches last night. 71 were fastballs. That's why they call him fastball Freddie. Just letting Todd know. Makes sense. Makes sense. Since the start of September, fastball Freddie has allowed four runs in 38 and two thirds innings. That is a 0.93 ERA. Stand up the day. Stand up the day. Stand up the day. Where did that come from? So our friend Cordell in Southern California sent that in. I was like, you know what? Tyler was like, Mark, come here. When he showed you something.

15:14Cordell. You upset it over? I was like, you know what? I like it. Yeah. You did. You did. Yes, Todd. I called him slash. Yeah. Okay. Cordell Stewart. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, Paul. You know, if you talk about pitchers, tipping their pitches, if your name is Fastball Freddie, you got to know what's coming if you're at the plate. I would think so. Yeah. Which this guy do? Now, he throws upwards, you know, 99 miles an hour. But if you know it's a fastball, or I'm going to guess it's a fastball, you're taking away, you know, whatever. I'm going to zero in on this. If he throws something else, okay, I'm not going to hit it. But if he throws his fastball, fastball Freddie, I got a chance to lock in on this. Yes, Paul. Split finger Johnson comes running out of the pan. I know what I'm, I ballin. Well, Phil Negro, if your name is Knuckles Negro, I know I'm getting a knuckleball. But even then, you could, you could tell the hitter that you're throwing a knuckleball and it wouldn't matter.

16:15Yes, Dylan. Are we hoping for a fastball Freddie V. Robert Gasser matchup in the World Series Gasser V. Fastball. I remember, you know, trying to learn how to throw a knuckleball. And I had a friend who could really throw it. The problem is I hated playing catch with him because that thing would explode. Like, it would just bounce all over the place. You'd take one in the chest, the arm, your knee. He didn't, he couldn't control it. And Bob Euker had the great line of knuckleball is really easy to catch. All you do is wait for it to stop rolling. Yes, Dylan. But when it doesn't properly knuckle, that's a nice 70 mile an hour meatball down the center of the play. It gone. Yes, yes, more guys kept jobs because they knew how to catch the knuckleball. Yeah. It was a Doug Meer belly. Yeah. He was Tim Wakefield's catcher. Yeah. Like, hey, he, he keeps a job. Yes. Hey, what do you do? I catch it.

17:15One pitch, a knuckleball. Yes, Dylan. And the catcher's meant it was always the size of like a manhole cover too. Yeah. For the knuckleball catcher. It was like a first baseman's glove. Yeah. And in large first baseman's glove. All right. Well, set a lot of poll question here. The Otani playing or sitting debate. I guess there's no debate now because Dave Roberts, I think you have to do it. I think you just have to have the threat of him in there that maybe, maybe he can do something with one pitch. All right. We'll come back to your phone calls. Joey Vato. Joey Vato will have some information on what would he do if he's Otani in this situation. Also we'll hear from Michael Parsons who's now giving out advice to, well, information to other teams. Go figure there. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show. 8 days at 9 a.m. Eastern 6 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in the I heart radio app. The real story isn't told on the field.

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24:29The game is so fast and it's daily that if you are not at 100% the game exposes you. I see a guy who can't more specifically handle left hand pitching and as a left handed hitter, if you can't handle left handed pitching, that says something about your quickness, your ability to read and snap. And that's probably the thing that stands out most. If I ask the brewers, be truthful, but anonymous, do you want to see Otoni in the lineup? What do you think the pitching staff would say? They say yes, which is the ultimate disrespect to the great player of our time, the true great player of our time. And the reason why is because there's a what's probably, I hate to say this because Otoni's so fabulous, a better option on the bench right now in a 21 year old named DiPalo. The young player had a fantastic minor league career, one of the top five prospects in the

25:30game. He's looked excellent during his loan played appearances. I think he's had two played appearances. He looks dangerous and at this point in time down to two runs, there's no question about it that I think a guy like him is the better option, the more threatening option for the Milwaukee brewers. And I'm wondering if you're Milwaukee, like I put all my efforts into winning this game. And if we don't win, I want it to have an impact on the Dodgers moving forward with maybe their pitching staff. But I got to go into their bullpen again. Your bullpen's been great. Everything is lining up for the brewers to win this series. How does Los Angeles turn this around? Well, they turn this around by benching Otoni. And then I think that possibly ends the era with Shohei Otoni and Los Angeles. I think it's the beginning of the end. It's an odd thing to say. I know I'm seeing so far into the future, but you think if you're that player and you're

26:31being told, we don't trust you. We're going to hand this off to somebody else if you have a stretch of time where you're not going well, even though you're fighting through an injury. You lose faith in the organization. You think back to all the efforts you put in, all the things that you earn. But down to nothing, if they do not win this game, quite obviously the series is over. I see the series going seven, but it's going to be dependent on Shohei Otoni's doing this thing and doing Shohei Otoni things. Okay, but you would bench him. No, I was a star player and I couldn't stand being benched. I had plenty of stretches where I wasn't unwell and I fought through things and I figured out ways to compete. And I think that's Shohei's responsibility now. He's standing in the batter's box as a former player. If you're in your uniform in the batter's box, you're healthy. You're telling us you are healthy. There's no excuses. There's no, I was this right, was that as long as you're in the roster in the lineup,

27:35you have an obligation to perform or to ask to come out. I play with a Hall of Fame player, Scott Rowling. He said, you either asked to come out or you shut up and play. Shohei's never going to complain. He's not one of those guys. But he's got clearly asked to perform more than this season. It's over for the Los Angeles Dodgers. The Brewers approach feels to be different. Now I know they've outhomored the Dodgers, but they're not, I don't think of them as a home run hitting team. What is their philosophy against this great pitching staff? They're doing the same thing they've done all year. They let the league in on base percentage. If you think about the compounding effect of everybody getting on base, of putting the ball in play, of running the base as well, this is a team that is going to beat you four to three, going to beat you three to two on a consistent basis. And in the playoffs, that's really what we're looking for. We're looking for those close games. We're looking to hand the ball off in the fifth inning, the fourth inning, the sixth inning,

28:37to the nasty, rebays, the McGills. And this team on the offensive side has the capacity to beat you with a bunch of singles on an occasional big moment double. So this is the Milwaukee Brewers in 2026. And I think them and the Tampa Bay Rares are what seem like a revolutionizing the game. Why haven't we gotten to the point where the lefty on lefty is such a big deal because righty on righty is not a big deal. But why is it left handed batters, haven't mastered or figured out left handed pitching? My understanding that 2026, there's been a real change to the performance of left versus left. And I would argue the reason why is because of the form of strike zone. The left handed strike zone was wider in the right handed batters box. There was wider away. The away pitch was called generally speaking a strike, even though it wasn't.

29:37And the left handed pitch was able to abuse that the down and away slider. Maybe the way it was. Why did that happen? Why did they expand the strike zone for a left handed batter? Empire tendencies. The game used to be more horizontal. It used to be more east to west. And now it's got between the ABS system and the tighter strike zone, major league baseball can really try to make the zone thinner. And this has benefited mostly the left handed hitter versus the left handed pitcher. Also, the third time we're talking to Joey Votto, I'm willing from NBC Sports. We talk about pitchers. They don't want them to go the third time around in the lineup. Is it that big of an advantage for a hitter, the third time around? For sure, you accumulate information. What people don't understand for a lot of major league batters, the first at bat, they do not feel like they're in rhythm with the game. They don't feel a snappy, they don't feel, it's almost like you're waking up out of bed

30:40that feeling of, just give me a few minutes. Let me move around a little bit to warm up my body. It's very similar for a lot of major league hitters to find that sort of quickness, that speed that I hate to use word timing. But you fall and sink with the abats and with each pitch, with each swing, with each take, you fall, you gain that sort of connection with the game. And by at bat two, at bat three, the connection with the game, in combination with getting a really good feel of what the pitcher throws by seeing it on repeat, you generally speaking you're in your best place, which is why teams don't want batters to face pitchers in the third time around. Give me the movement with a pitcher that bothered you as a hitter, whether it's dramatic pause or sidearm or whatever it might be. I really didn't like when I played getting balls thrown at my face or my head. Oh, you did that.

31:42No, I didn't mind it. You had to build up a certain callus to it. But I either would get scared or angry. And sometimes I would get, I would take a bats where I didn't know the pitcher where it was going. And they didn't know where it was going. And those were the abats where I was genuinely, genuinely scared. Rarely did I feel that way. Now, if a guy threw it, threw it me on purpose to kind of prove a point, which we've seen quite a few times this playoff, I got angry. And then I got super competitive because I knew that they would get back into the strike zone. But to answer your question, it was either somebody throwing at me or somebody that had a sidearm motion from behind me as a left handed pitcher. Those were difficult because you don't get a really good look at the ball. But like Yamamoto pauses. Does that affect timing at all? Yeah, it can affect timing. But for me, it didn't bother me because I was the type of guy that really liked catching

32:43the ball with my bat. When I was a younger player, I listened to Barry Barnes describe hitting and he said, oh, you know, all Willie told me, all my dad, Bobby Barnes, told me was just, catch the ball. And I would watch him and I would try to replicate that. And over time, did I realize, oh, so that's how you catch the ball. Wansodo does it. Shohei does it. Aaron Judge is the best of the best at catching the ball. It's entering the strike zone. And with the barrel of the bat, you catch the ball. That's a very, very high level to get to. Are we underestimating the guardians and the raise? The series does not feel anywhere near as intriguing. But I think by the end of it, we may get seven full games from them. I think we definitely are. There's not a lot of star power. When you've got a storyline like Shohei Otani, question mark, is the injured question mark? What's the story of the series? I don't know. I haven't seen many storylines. The star of the series is Jose Ramirez, who's probably a future hall of favor.

34:01But that's not comparable to seeing the greatest of all time. Maybe one of the great pictures of all time go head to head. There's a lot of great storylines on the National League side. Do you do anything? Did you do anything better than Otani does at the play? Yeah, it was better in the strike zone. But his separating factor was how hard he hits the ball. I don't understand how little he moves along his bat is, how long his bat looks, how much flourish his bat has through the strike zone. And then how hard he hits the ball all over the field. It's difficult to describe as non-player. I think about this all the time. People that watch the game, they just do not understand because they did not play at that level. Now I'm not trying to gatekeep Major League Baseball. But we as players are all in awe of him because we cannot do what he does. I can't do a lot of things that he does.

35:03I was successful as a hitter, maybe the strike something, but that's basically all I have. That's okay. You did one thing better than Otani. Yeah. Yeah. I can hang your hat on that. Great to talk to you. Are you having fun with the baseball stuff? I thought that post-career I would write, I would be done with it. But the game, the game's beautiful right now. There's a lot of dissatisfaction with the game. I think from former players, I think they're making a mistake. I think the game is moving and changing right in front of our eyes. I think that's the ebb and flow of the game. I'm glad to be back. I'm glad to be speaking on it. I feel lucky to be invited on here to be able to chat with you. So thank you, Dan. But you think the game's in a good place. You don't have any problems with it. There's certainly some, there's always going to be demands. How good, how happy would you be about saying the game formally was great because we put

36:08the ball and play more and we saw less homeruns. But they were calling strikes a half a foot to a foot off the plate. Watch that old Marlins versus Braves. Highlight with the on-pire is calling pitches a full foot off the plate. But the on-pire didn't like you. Or if the on-pire felt a certain way, I would say 95 out of 100 of them were professional. But every now and then you'd get someone and I won't name names. Wow, they were intentionally difficult. They were trying to prove a point. I'll tell you a quick story before you have me. I was, I walked up to home plate and I would never say hello. I would never say hello. I would give a quick nod to both because I was in competition mode. The first pitch against a right handed pitcher is literally eight in eight inches off the plate. And the on-pire goes strike and I look back at him and he goes, that's for not saying hello. That was the game we had to deal with at times back before ABS, back before the strike

37:11zone. It was a silly, silly thing. Like I said, the vast majority of them are excellent. But every now and then you'd have a rogue trying to teach you a lesson. And to me, I think the game is better because we've got more accountability. But if you want a salary cap, people are rooting for the Brewers, Guardians or Tampa to win this because if the Dodgers win, then everybody's going to say the same thing. But if the Brewers win, then all of a sudden it's like, hey, everything's okay with baseball. But if the Dodgers win, that's when, you know, we're going to hear this in December, we got to have a salary cap. Yeah, I don't know. As a former player, I was in on all those meetings when we were going through our multiple CBAs and the fight was always, we're not going to allow them to implement a salary cap. We're always going to have a genuine free agency. And if it falls apart and they go that route, then it's like it, I don't recognize the

38:12game. It's like all my peers during our time won't recognize the game. It's their game, of course, it's their fight. But that was the fight to get a rod, this ridiculous two times Kevin Garnett's contract, setting the precedent. We are different than every other sport. Wonsoto's $800 million deal, setting a precedent. Kevin Brown's deal, all these deals along the way. We were the person that said, we let people know we are capitalism, you know, personified. And if it's all the sudden, we're the NBA or the NFL, we're just different. Yeah, guys will make $60 million and $80 million, but they'll get a five year deal or whatever. I don't even know how it's going to work, but I'm not sure that the people in baseball, the core legal in baseball, the people that really represent the players really genuinely want that. I could see there being an ugly fight over this. Great to talk to you again. Thanks for sharing. Thanks for having me on, Dan. He's number 19 in your program.

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44:23So Dan, I don't know, it's horrible. Would you give up steak to be a scratch golfer? No, I would not. Because I would die if I didn't have steak. If somebody who is never, as you know, consumed a vegetable, I would die. So it wouldn't help me to give up steak and become a scratch golfer because I'd be in the deep divot at that point. Okay. Wait, your mom didn't force vegetables on you growing up. My mother was 18, so my mother had not even read Dr. Spock at that point. So if your mom had you at 18, that would be correct. Well, my father was 18. Right. What do they know? They know nothing, basically. So whatever I'm a kid growing up in Brooklyn in a one bed and real apartment, and whatever she would make for dinner, if it was a vegetable, I think I would just push it away.

45:24So she wasn't about to resist it. She thought that was parenting. You know, the kid, give the kid what he wants. So Dan, here I am. What can I tell you? You're still doing it. Yeah. Station chops, that's the key to life. Next thing you thought of when you heard that Mike did get past? I thought about what a special man he was. I think I had a chance to do a number of his games early on in my Monday Night Football career. And one of the best things in regard to Mike that I did, I did a halftime interview on Monday Night Football, and he was terrific. And I said, you know, your team looks to you as a father figure. And I said, what kind of a father were you to your children? He said not as good as my father was to me. So he was a guy who, he was so much fun. I mean, you've seen all the, I saw the football life the other day, which I thought was sensational on the NFL network.

46:25And he was great. And you know, he took no prisoners. He, Mike Dicke was a true, true legend. And a guy who was, everybody wants to say a one off and a way he was. And of course, you know, the Ricky, will you sing? And then when he, he decides to have a lot of fun and he get coming out there and go wedding dressing, all of that. But he was a good guy to be around. He was always something was always going to be memorable when you left Mike Dicke. And he didn't make any apologies that like he, this is who I am. No. Yeah. Deal with it or move on. Exactly. And you know, let's face it, he coached to one of the great teams in the history of the national football league. You know, buddy Ryan, of course, had that defense. And of course, I'm watching, you know, Mike had carried off the field and the defense is carrying buddy Ryan off the field that day. But he did a masterful job. And then you keep forgetting about how good of a player he was. And I'm old and if I saw him play it, they came into the conversation and played UCLA back in around 1960 or so.

47:28I mean, he was a terrific player, great coach, entrepreneur, you know, a vintner, a restaurant tour and just a lot of fun. As gruff and tough as he was, he was a lot of fun. When did we use the phrase small market? When did that kind of become part of lexicon in sports? I'm not sure, but it's been around for a lot of years. And you know, you talk about obviously like in baseball, the Yankees and the Dodgers and the Cubs and the big cities. And then, you know, you look at cities like Milwaukee and Kansas City and obviously they were smaller markets. And it's kind of, you know, it's gotten skewed through the years where obviously the bigger markets with more revenue can produce better teams over a course of a period of time. But once in a while, it's a great one, Kansas City won the World Series a few years ago. I thought that was fabulous. And look what Milwaukee's doing right now. And we don't use this though in other sports though, do we?

48:30No, you don't. And you don't use it in football because it's totally, it's all, you know, everybody gets the same amount of money. So green bay can make as much money as, you know, New York giants or the Los Angeles Rams. So that's because of the fact that it's all, there's a salary cap and the shared revenue. And that's why the NFL is different than the other leagues. You're turning 82. Thanks for the, like a whole, I call it octopus, octopus plus a douche. Okay. See if anybody can figure it out. Oh, God. Who will tell you or how will you find out that you're not going to do this anymore? Well, either the people that I work for will tell me or I'll know myself, you know, a combination. Let's put it this way. The folks at Amazon and Prime have been fantastic, fantastic to me. And I had a three year deal and then they said, you want to do it?

49:32The next day I said, yeah, we want you to do it. And then the next year, we want you to do it. That's this year. If they come to me and say, you know, it's time for us to move on. I'm going fine. You guys have been fantastic. You've been great. I've done the NFL for 41 years, which is half my life. Love it. But you know what? At a certain time, it's time. And if they feel it's time, great. And if I feel it's time, I'll know it. And I'll say, you know what? Thanks for the memories. What do you remember about your first NFL game? My first NFL game, believe it or not, was I was doing the Cincinnati Reds in 1971, the season ends. And NBC called me. They had regional football that year. And but they were also doing the baseball playoffs. So they had both the American and nationally playoffs. So Kurt Gaudy was the number one announcer. He was doing one set of playoffs. Jim Simpson was number two. So they moved Jay Randolph, who was number three up to number one. So they needed somebody to do the last game on that schedule in October. I think it's October 3rd, 1971. The last game, the least attractive was Buffalo, at Minnesota.

50:37They sent me to the game. I did it with Johnny Morris, who I just retired as the Bears, you know, leading receiver. And he's in their record book. It is a, it's, it's a point to point game. It's blacked out in those years at the homestead. So it doesn't go to Minneapolis. It goes to Buffalo, but Buffalo's NBC station wants to take baseball. So they promised, they promised to have to a UHF station. So Mars and I are doing a game. By the way, in that game, Bud Grant is coaching the Minnesota Vikings, Minnesota won the game. I think something like 19 to nothing. Among the players in that game for the Buffalo Bills were OJ Simpson and Al Cowell lings. Oh boy. On the Buffalo Bills in 19, so you can look it up. And two weeks later, I did Buffalo at the Jets with a guy named Dave Kassurik, who was a, why receiver for the Chargers at that point. And that was another one of those point to point. It wasn't on New York. And those were my first two NFL games going all the way back to 1971.

51:40What kind of relationship did you have with OJ? Well, we were friends, obviously, because we were in the neighborhood together. He lived about six blocks away. I played a ton of tennis with him. And he was a colleague. I mean, OJ and I did the, in the Olympics in 1984, we did all of the track and field. And so if you go, you know, on YouTube and you want to watch Carl Lewis when his four gold medals, it's OJ and me. I'm never talking to Carl Lewis about those Olympics. There was so much pressure on Carl Lewis that how many, how many gold, you know, and I think he accomplished everything he wanted to accomplish. But he said he went home and I keep, he wasn't fulfilled. And I'm paraphrasing now. But it was, you kind of do it. And there's so much pressure of doing it. That when it's done, you're like, is that it? You know, that's a very interesting thing that you would say, hold on once I got to get rid of this call. Thank you. You know, a lot of television.

52:42So they hold on a second. There we go. It reminds me very much of Eric Heiden in the 1980 Olympics, which of course, you know, is the hockey Olympics. But Eric was going to be the big star coming into those Olympics. He was going to win five gold medals and he did. And then he went on to become a successful doctor. God bless him. And that guy has had a phenomenal life. I never heard Carl talk about that when you just told me I'm a little surprised by it. But you know what it reminds me of? My partner in the 1980 Olympics for hockey was Ken Dryden and Ken retired at 31 years old at the apex of his career. Most Stanley Cups, multiple Vezon of trophies. He was phenomenal on the air, but Ken wanted to enjoy every other aspect of life. He moved his family to England. He studied at Oxford. And I'll never forget one day I said something to Kenny later on about, you know, why?

53:46I mean, tell me one real reason that you stepped away that early. And you know what he called it? Success fatigue. I thought it was a fascinating way to put it. Success fatigue. He had all of the success. But now maybe, you know, he did all of the things that he had hoped to do or maybe didn't even hope to do what had happened. And now he stepped away. But I think that's a fantastic phrase. Success fatigue. And maybe Bjorn Borg had that. Very possible. I don't know because you know, I don't follow tennis that closely. I didn't know him. It's possible. What you have, you get all of the things you want and then you go, is that all there is? I'm sure that that's happened to people. There's no doubt about that. But I wonder about that with Jordan, my out of that Michael. Okay, I've done everything. I got three peat and then he decides to go play baseball. Right. Maybe that's that's when he needed a sabbatical.

54:47And then maybe at that point when he's playing baseball and he realizes he's not going to be that good at baseball, good, you know, fine, but not the Jordanesque. And then maybe he just said to himself, okay, I got to get back to what I really love the most. And he did. But that's a one off. He's a one off. Are you seeing what these prices, his jerseys are going for during that? You see tonight, he's not yet. Are you seeing what the prices for franchises are going for? Yes. And this is insane. And the lake has just got sold for 12 and a half and Joshua Kushner and Bob Iger are out there talking about the fact that it's going to be worth 30 billion in a decade. Maybe it will. How do we know? It is crazy though right now. You think of the, I was saying to the Dallas Cowboys, Jerry Jones walked the team for 140 million in 1989. That team is worth minimally, minimally 15 billion.

55:49What is that rate of return? 107 times then 107 times. Has anybody lost money owning a team? Not in a long time. I think maybe have to go back to like the Philadelphia Eagles where when Leonard Toes owned the team and he was a crazy gambler. And he thought he lost the team at the Atlantic City Blackjack tables. But that was a long time ago. It's almost impossible to lose money when you want to franchise right now, unless you completely overpay and turn and send it into the ground. Wait, but Leonard Toes didn't say I'm all in and I'm including the Philadelphia Eagles when he was playing Blackjack. I don't know what he did, but I mean they had no money. But first of all, in those years, God knows what he bought the team for less than 100 million, I would think. When I was with the San Francisco Giants in 1976 and the team went bankrupt. Harvestonum had brought them from New York and he went bankrupt.

56:49That team was bought by a man named Bob Lury who needed a partner named Bud Herset. Dan, they want the team for $8 million, which is like an Otani battery, whatever it would be, $8 million to buy the San Francisco Giants. I think that would not work billions. I think Leonard Toes spent $16 million. Something like that. That's like 69, no, you're sure it is. Yeah, well look at Scydbrenner. We're just Scydbrenner by the Yankees for a tan or something like that. It's, you know, it's a completely different world right now, completely. That's breaking news by the way. When you did Yankees games, did George ever ask or demand to be on camera a certain number of times? Any owners ever asked for that? No, but there are whispers from time to time about wanting to be on camera. It normally goes through the producers or the network.

57:51Nobody's ever come to me and asked me for that. No. I'm Brenner. I was doing, you know, I did 14 years of Monday night baseball and I had the Yankees on a lot and a couple of times I asked George to come on and he wanted to do it. So, you know, he picked his spots. But when they showed Taylor Swift, this doesn't come up in the production meeting of how many times you're going to show her. Early on, I think it did. When all of a sudden she shows up, you know, it's the beginning of the romance and she's showing up at the Kansas City Games and I think one time I can't remember which of the networks that she was on like 30 times. So that's a little much for anybody. Right. So, you know, you had to pick your spots. You got to figure out how much is too much, how much is not enough. And you know, congratulations. You yelled and screamed at the NFL to give you a better schedule on Thursday night and look what happened. Well, I whispered. I whispered after the first year.

58:52But the first year you yelled, but after that you just whispered? Well, I kind of like, I don't yell in stream. You know, I'm one of those guys I'm not a yell or an screamer as you all know. But you go about it cordially, collegially, diplomatically. The league understood that we needed a better schedule to make streaming what they wanted to be. There's no secret here. They want streaming to be as successful as they can possibly be. That's where we're going. That's where, you know, that's where we're headed. We're headed. Well, but the league is right. The league has what, 85 to 90 percent of the games on over the air television. There's only a small amount of games that are on streaming. Well, it increased through the years, I suppose. It will be, that's the way the business is right now. But the league understood we needed a better schedule. And for instance, this week, this could have been the Super Bowl last year or Bowl next doesn't get hurt.

59:53Seattle against Denver. We got New England and Chicago next week. That's a great one. December 3rd, we have Kansas City at the Rams. You know, Minnesota at New England later on in, I think in early December. So the schedule has gotten much, much better. But you know, for the league, look, they have to deal with Fox and BC, CBS, Netflix. I mean, is YouTube in there? I can't remember who else is in there right now. So you know, it's, it's a tough to partial everything out and everybody get excited about it. Great to talk to you. John, as always, Dan, as always, Johnny Miller. Hold on a second. Johnny, how about how it? Trevino. No. How about Mark Kalkovekia? That'd be like that. That's Charles Markley swing. Brandon the shambles. Yeah. I'll forget about it, man. I'm taking a dominoes.

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