State pension triple lock over by 2030

0:00This is a global production. This is LVC from global leading Britain's conversation with Nick Ferrari at breakfast. Good morning to you four minutes after seven Wednesday September 30 in a wide ranging interview with Prime Minister Andy Berner. A minute after he gave that speech up in Liverpool we covered the economy. We talked a little bit about growth, we talked about the national care service and of course we talked about the recent loss of his father. But I also put this question to him about the conflict in Gaza. Has it been a genocide in Gaza? Well we carefully consider these matters. So when the courts have been in it. The courts have made a determination. Never waited for a court decision before Prime Minister. And we'll pick up on that conversation later in the show. In other news. I've asked details coming out about exactly what happened to Arya Fairford. I'm Heather Cartwrights with the latest for LBC.

1:00For footy fans and there are many of you this is arguably one of the most cherished particularly if you're a petitions the city for. Cherished moment of commentary. Sergio Aguero final minute goal for Queen's Pafford Manchester City against QPR which clinched them the Premier League title back in 2012. Palateli Aguero. I swear you'll never see anything like this ever again. We are definitely going to play that again. Even though I don't like Manchester City. You just have to smile don't you on that. Off to the countryside and the rural pub, Idle of warm ale and a black Labrador is a far right fantasy says the Labour Minister. If you're listening out there in rural areas out there in the country I want to pick up on that and the idea that there could be negligent landlords could have their rented properties ultimately seized by the government. Sounds a bit like Nors Carey, isn't it? Slation the show. Nick Barariot breakfast call 03456060973.

2:02Text 84850. Nick Barariot breakfast on LBC. We're going to give you of course everything that the Prime Minister said that we have to say is in all the newspapers about triple block and the National Care Service and the economy and all the other issues. But one thing that struck out to me speaking in Liverpool was that the Prime Minister didn't mention the prophecy of the third runway at Heathrow. Now the team have done some research. That was initially mooted. Get ready for this. In 1946 then there was a hell of a political row in the 1980s. It was actually approved again back in 2009 to 2009 Gordon Brown gave it the Greenlight 2018 to Theresa May, gave it the Greenlight and yet still it doesn't happen. Now coming back to all his promises and how they'll be paid for, the Prime Minister focused on growth in the North West referencing the Mersey Fairy. The mayor of the Liverpool City Region should not have had to fight Whitehall as hard

3:06as he did to get a new fairy built on the banks of the River Mersey. And what a job he is doing. Liverpool growing faster than the UK economy. How often have we been able to say that in our lifetimes? Well that's great for Liverpool but what about the whole of the country? And that fight for the Mersey Fairy took years and has been successful. The fight for a third runway has taken decades and hasn't happened. So this idea of hoping every heart, growth in every postcode, well that postcode is L3, 0BN if that's important to you. But what about Tw6? He threw a report on the surrounding area. Why the delay on that Prime Minister? There's been a consultation and it's really important given it's such a decision of importance for the whole country to take time to see the outcome of the consultation. Obviously he threw a report, it's a huge economic driver for the country.

4:09But there are concerns and those concerns need to be considered alongside that. It's 100,000 jobs, a 40 billion pound injection into the economy. 60% of which is to be felt outside London and the southeast. What's not to light Prime Minister? Well ask some of the members of Parliament in London, the Mayor of London. There are other voices who don't have more sway than you Prime Minister. Well no, but it's a very important voice that I want to... How if we have growth if we haven't got a third runway? Skiphole, out of the six, Paris four, London two. I'm not saying that I've taken a position, right? You know it's important that where there is a consultation... Are you mind-itentially a planning application? I need to handle that, Kevin. Are you minded to do it? Well I'm on the record as saying that Heathrow could be a good idea. I have said that in the past. In my past role as Mayor of Greater Manchester though, I looked at the second runway at Manchester and it has capacity. So I think we do need to have a wider discussion about

5:12what is the right airport configuration for the country in the long run and where airports have got capacity should that be used first before we allow further airport expansion. But I am on this one having to say that I am listening to both sides of the argument. There is a strong case for it, but we do need to hear... You see it's a key for growth. Certainly, of course, yeah. Here's a key for growth. Let's bring in Sir Rinda Arora, who's businessmen found on Chairman of the Aurora Group and of course is leading a consortium people with experience in developing airports and an attempt to move the conversation on the development Heathrow. Sir Rinda joins me now. You've just heard what the Prime Minister said, Sir Rinda, morning to you, Sir. What do you take from those comments up in Liverpool? Morning. Good morning, Nick. Well, I was really encouraged that the Prime Minister at least was saying no to the expansion of Heathrow. I think you made the point very well in your earlier statements where we have been talking about this for decades and we are the laughing stock for the rest of the world.

6:13How many Prime Ministers has gone through? How many Parliament? And really, if we are serious for growth, agenda, jobs, then this is something we need to do and we need to do it now. We cannot keep on just kicking into long grass. And we have a credible plan. We have now been working with our Heathrow West plan on building the runway in two stages, the shorter runway, which will sit between the M25 and the M4. We have always said that will be complete disaster to even start digging and sinking the M25 under the runway. And the airlines are very much behind it. So we've been working up the scheme for the shorter runway with the airlines. And hopefully the government would look at this seriously. Look at this as a credible plan. And we have the expertise, the team members. For instance, we've got no expertise. I have all my team, including Bactel, including Chang-Yee airport, Singapore, the world's best airport

7:17in the world. So I think it's something that really now we need to get on with it rather than to keep talking about it. So Rinda, you mentioned other countries around the world. As you heard me say, I remind of the Prime Minister. So Amsterdam has six runways. Paris has four. I note that in New Delhi, they designed, built, and already now operating in four and a half years. Why is there this, what would seem to be extraordinary long delays in this country? And if it goes the gets the go ahead, what's the best timeline you and your consortium could deliver? Well, we've actually said, I mean, Heathrow came out over the weekend towards end of last week saying we can't deliver the runway, the new expansion, till 2039. We'd been telling the government for the last two years that when Heathrow were telling them that they can deliver the expansion by 2035, it was not humanly possible. We've said all along that the earliest you can deliver this is 2040 or early 2040. With our scheme of the short sort of runway phase one,

8:19we can deliver the runway and the expansion and the growth by 2035, by meeting the government's time scale. So that's something that we've been talking about and we're saying we're there, we can deliver it, and we have a scheme that works. Currently, Heathrow, some people will challenge and say, why are you building a short sort of runway? Well, if you look at other airports around the world, they don't just have long runways, they also have mix of runways, and the current mixed business makes a Heathrow, 60% of narrow-bodied aircraft, and 40% of long-haul the wide-bodied aircraft. So it's something that works, not just for us, it's works for the airline, it's deliverable, it's affordable, and that's what the customer, the consumer wants. Surrender, grateful for your time, has ever served a roar of businessmen, found a chairman of the aurora group, and of course, as mentioned, leading that consortium rival consortium to develop Heathrow. Now, if you're wondering why I talked about that, so many things the Prime Minister talked about, not least the national care system, which is a very exciting process, it has to be paid for, and it's paid for through growth,

9:20and while I celebrate the new Liverpool ferry, that is not going to bring people into the country, businessmen and women in the same way that a third runway might. Let's get to your calls at 13 after 7. Harjit's in Southall, very close to Heathrow, for those, no, Harjit, hello, Harjit, you're actually Heathrow. Hello. Please give me a little bit of time, you get this businessmen a lot of time I heard him before as well. What is the priorities? The speech he asked that it was brilliant, what Mr. Wormam is going to do for us, for social care, and for NHS, he's going to support the NHS as well, and for housing, that's the priorities. I worked at Heathrow, I put my first job, I was 23 years old. All my life I worked there, I worked in the catering, then I worked up into the security. Now I left when I was about 55 years old. I know it inside out. Harjit, it's too big, it's too big.

10:23It's too big. Might I just briefly interrupt you? You quite rightly talked about the National Health Service, and you talked about housing and the care service. How's that going to be paid for? Well, the priority is what he's promising about social care. I appreciate that, Harjit. How is that? Oh, go ahead, sorry. He's cutting down on the pensions, so that the social care is supported that way. And if social care is supported, then NHS will free up beds as well. Harjit, I love your optimism, and I respect your close to Heathrow, that I've worked both physically and close to me because you've worked there. But Harjit, everything you said, even taking some of the money of the so-called triple law, it's not going to pay for all those ambitions. You pay for those, Harjit, by moving the country on, by getting growth. I hear, I hear, as we see all day, people can't afford holidays.

11:24No, so that's, don't you see? That's why we have to get growth into the country, Harjit. Yes. You don't, please believe me, you are not going to move the United Kingdom on by watching amps to dam have more runways, almost three times as many runways. In fact, it is three times as many runways as we have in London, and Paris twice. And then... And then... What about NHS and housing? But that, Harjit, absolutely. And that is what, as I think, I'd probably have not, I'm sure, as I'm done a good job of it, that's why I'm saying the funding is for. Harjit, thank you so much for your input. I'm grateful I have to get a move on because I'm really late to the news. Always enjoy speaking with you. Have yourself a safe day. And in Southall, coming up after the news. I'm LBC's Chris Chambers on Keyball Drive in Aintree, back where Andy Burnham grew up, finding out what people made of a speech. It's in a very moving and understanding being always is with party leaders and prime ministers. So that matter, we heard a little bit about his roots and Chris Chambers' chambers investigating those. And in other news, the concern about anti-Semitism, Gideon Falter is for the campaign against anti-Semitism,

12:24speaking about the problem in schools across the country. We've had schools where Jewish parents have withdrawn their children because they fear for the way that their children are being treated. Nick Ferrari at breakfast called 0356060973. 20 minutes after seven coming to Morrie, a call's about Heathrow Airport. Quick look at, I went to all the front pages and unsurprising they are divided pretty much on party lines, very powerful front page for the daily mirror, very much a labor supporting paper. And a picture of Andy Burm. I will build a Britain, excuse me, I will build a Britain my dad would be proud of. Seen picked up by the Guardian as well. Today we draw a line on a decade of division. Other papers, not so supportive, Burnham's triple shock is the daily male. The son, the lucky horror show as in triple lock. And the daily express, it's a crying shame for our nation. They unsurprisingly taking up the case, of course, for the pensioners. And we are going to be looking at in full detail

13:26and if you're wondering why we started, everything you need to know about the triple lock and the economy and whatever else it might be, even the price of diesel, we put that to him with our fuel fact checkers. If we're going to pay for all these noble intention such as the NHS House Building Programme, like the Council House Building, National Care Service, there's no money in the till, so you've got to generate it. And it is that line by the way that leads on the LBC at Burnham, Touts a strong case for Heathrow's third revolution. It will be interesting to hear from the editor and she'll put City AM, Christian May is going to join me later. On the front page of his paper, there's just what they call a tease for his column, why the PM's speech left me cold? You'll hear from Christian on that later. But let's pick up on the Heathrow theme again. I'm not this is because I am a London, I was born in London, but just outside. But if we're going to pay for the gross the United Kingdom, it will have to be driven. Let's be honest, by London, this is where we generate most of the money. This is where the main airport is. I'm not a crying Manchester, I've flown in and out of it. I'm not crying all the other regional airports,

14:27but it is absurd that we look to skip all in Amsterdam. They've got six just across the channel. They've got four in Paris and London. We're stuck on two and we first started talking about a third runway in the faulty's Roseminds in Lourish and hello Rosemind. Your view good morning. Hello Nick, you and I normally get on so well. You're so wrong about this. I really need to thank you for a coffee and show you the real day for. You are completely and utterly wrong about this. Rosemind, remind the listeners why this is so crucial to you. I was behind the U-Lays being introduced in London because my late, the most horrendous leads will air pollution. And you live very close to the South Circular in Southeast Sweden. I'm glad. You're new, can we be left to have a coffee on this? I will happily pay for coffee for your catford Broadway. I would happily buy you a coffee and if you even have it, I'd buy you a glass of wine. But do you not see? I have looked at the data. Regarding the health outcomes, it is appalling, noise, light.

15:31Every time you get someone on, that's that screaming. He is completely and I have had, he's going to generate a hundred. So, into the door, Nick. This is because it's not the strongest line Rosemind. And a couple of key words. And remember the delicate issue we're discussing about your lovely daughter. I think I'm going to see if we can get you on a better line because I'm missing some of the, I don't want to say in the appropriate. It's obviously feel so passionately because you lost your daughter. And I remember in the inquest, I remember covering the story. So, can we try and get her on the line? That's just not the way to proceed on it. I don't think. 723, John in Oxford. Let's hope that's a better line. John, you're on the radio. Hello. What do you enter on me? Yeah, I was born in 1966. Okay. When we won the World Cup. Yeah, but you don't remember it, Sport. I do. I remember sitting with my brothers and mum and dad. You certainly don't remember watching. They think it's all over it is now. I don't know what to do, but all you have, John. So obviously now I'm 60. I've got roughly 20 years to go. Oh, yes. Well, that's what we say. You know, you tend to live to you about 80s or whatever. Yeah.

16:31And I reckon there's two things that are not going to happen in that, in that span. England, they're not going to win another World Cup. And we are still not going to build the third runway at each road. But what you haven't set up should, should both those things happen? Should England win another World Cup? And should they build runway three? What's your view? That would be brilliant. I mean, it's a laughing stock. I work in construction. I'm a quantity supplier. Yeah. And I worked on a construction, the terminal four and terminal five and other airport projects. And it's just a laughing stock. Do you work overseas at all? John, do you work overseas or all in UK? I have worked in Germany and Norway. What's their view than all regions or the Germans? What's their view of building and projects and project management in the UK? Um... I'm sorry. I haven't really come across their view on it, to be honest. I haven't heard anything from... I can't comment on that one, really.

17:32And do you like me, believe? And I sense in your tone you do. If we move away from the Englander football game back to the Idols of Runway, if we're going to pay for anything like a National Cup, we need growth, which means we need more runways. Yeah, I mean, if someone's spending 40 billion to build an airport, that's going to create a lot of growth in itself. It's going to create 100,000 construction jobs that will be spending money and paying tax. Absolutely. And that's just the building of the airport. That's before people start coming in. Good luck with your work today. I can tell you're in a car. Let's talk in 21 years' time. Somehow I said, doubt it. But John, look how it's yourself be safe. Just those numbers again, and a lot of you have been... And I understand that. Why do you worry? I'm concerned about an airport in London. 100,000 jobs, 40 billion pound injection, 60% of which will be outside London and the southeast, 60% of that 40 billion pounds. And you don't want that in your region? We'll pick up more calls on that in a moment.

18:337-2-1, 7-26 actually. And of course there is full coverage and full reaction to that speech yesterday. And if you're listening to us, you know I was in Liverpool and readiness for that. And I was picked up on how much it made it a personal statement as well, hearing the background of the Prime Minister. Chris Chambers, ABC's Northwest Correspondent, is on a road in entry. Liverpool and Chambers will explain why. Morning Chris, what do you got? Morning, Nicky. I'm on Keyball Drive, the place where Andy Berning was born and despite having been a labour heartland for so long, people in this part of the world had disconnected from the party in a big way, started to lose faith. Sir Keir Starmer was deeply unpopular and unrelatable, but Andy Burnham has a without doubt made big strides already and getting that fire burning again. So much of his speech yesterday was centered around his family and his own experiences growing up. Our journey starts where I started in the old Rome, not far from here, with housing a home. That home on Keyball Drive unlocked the aspiration in my mum and dad

19:38for a better life for us all. And has taken us to places we could never have imagined. With a good home, everything is possible. Without one, it feels like nothing is. Family was very much at the heart of the speech yesterday, wasn't it? The raw emotion of just having lost his dad as well and he talked a lot about the importance of having a proper home and how it was essential for children to have a good start in life. But there are, of course, big issues which he talked about, social care, the tweaking of the triple lock as well. And the people I spoke to here seem open to the idea and understand the need for something to change. Money doesn't come from any way. There's not a part there, it's that you can just pick out and just go and treat. Obviously, it's got to come from somewhere, so you've got to hit something, it's not in it, who are you going to hit? The DNA's yes, it's got to wear. You can't get a dentist, I have things going on down, you can't like a medical, you have to be paying school. It's saying a lot of sense, and I am actually a conservative, but I do quite like him.

20:43And I support him over what he's got to do with older people and care homes. Andy Burnham clearly resonating with people in his old backyard, but the emotion and authenticity will only get him so far, Nick, the good vibes will only last so long if people don't start to feel like things are improving. Chris James is reporting there from the people streetwear at all, but the people driving so sorry, people driving in entrywear at all began Chris, thanks to that 728, let's come back to her calls to drive growth, to stimulate the economy, to get the money in, build that third runway, JagdEEP is in South, which isn't that far from Heathrow. JagdEEP, you're on the radio, your view. Good morning. Good morning, Nick. I just don't feel that we have the infrastructure in place to take on a project like Heathrow. You don't, we don't, we don't, we don't, we don't, we don't. If you look at a HS2 project, you can see how that ended up. And if you look at Heathrow, where would they expand? Where would they go? I mean, I'll fly out of Heathrow very often, and I mean, I look over, it's like, I know years ago, there was a town across the, where the hotels were,

21:44that were being bought for the expansion, but that never happened. Yes, I'm afraid people sadly will have to move, because the area will have to be unfortunately, homes will have to be leveled. Yes, you're right. And then this is the thing, Nick, when that happens, are the people locally going to be able to put up with decades of road works and the works that are going to be carried out, that's going to cause a massive destruction, and a lot of chaos locally. Yeah, but I don't see that we haven't got a choice. Yeah, I agree. I agree with you. I don't think it will happen in our lifetime. This is in the hour list together, but give it up. Jack, your point about HS2 is very well made. Your health is so good day. Let's just finish some of the coming in that are on the emails. Anne, Schrupple Airport has six runways, as you say, but it already carries only 80% of passengers of those carried by Heathrow, which is the seventh busiest airport in the world. Anne, Anne, when I started traveling, business traveling for newspapers,

22:45I can see in my mind that I post as you got to Heathrow, the number one airport in the world. Heathrow was the number one. Now, then I remember Dubai taking them. If you're right, that it's the seventh, I thought we were a bit higher up. You cannot be... You're not going to move the country on by having the seventh busiest airport when you once had the busiest. Let's be honest about it. This comes in from Glenn and Ronford. We have six airports in London, but in fact, we only have one, which is London City, and that has one runway. Glenn, there's no room to develop... Well, as you have spent a lot of money, and there is room, and that is why I... And there's all the infrastructure waiting over in what was it? Tw6 or whatever the postcode was, hoping every heart, growth, and every postcode. We'll come back to that conversation. It is 730 coming up after the news. Here's a major one of the police commissioner, Sam Mark, really speaking with LBC about the increase in anti-semitism in the country since, October the 7th. We have seen since the events of 18 months ago, and the terrorist attack in Israel, and the Israeli military action that's followed, we have seen a surge in anti-semitism.

23:47Plus jingle-tills for... This is my series. Are you glad that I'll let you come on? Oh, here we go. Let's get over it. This house is everything you have dreamed of. The only problem is we've got to share it with our four boys. Guys, I love Liverpool as much as the next person. And I've enjoyed that. It was Liverpool accents over the last day or so. But do I need some again? I've just got back here from London. That is, of course, Colleen Rooney, the trailer for the real Roon is that from Disney Plus. You wait till you hear how I'm just Rooney's earnings have increased. You'll be pretty envious of that. Nick Ferrari and Breakfast on LBC call 034560673. 735, Matt, you're called Spendymore on that conversation with the Prime Minister, come by the way, many, many other errors we touch. I'm not least very much the personal side of it. I'm asked him how he thought his dad. Of course, he lost just two weeks ago. How is dad watching from above? I'm sure would react to that. You'll hear that later in the show. Pissing Mayor Zed in sheep at City AM.

24:47When I was viewing the newspapers, I mentioned what's on his front page today. He wasn't particularly moved. His speech left him cold. He'll tell us why in just a moment before that, Christian, if I could. We know there's some fairly important things about the economy. Remind the listeners what they've heard. And of course, as ever, the importance of them. Christian, good morning. Good morning to you, Nick. Yes. A little bit of encouraging news this morning on latest revised figures from the Office for National Statistics on how the economy fared in the second quarter of the year. That's the month of April to June. And they revised up their estimate for grace in that period to 0.5%. They had thought it would be 0.4%. So there's quite a bit of resilience there. They did also look back at GDP grace for 2025 as a whole and concluded that the economy grew by 1.2%, which is 0.1% lower than the previous estimate. But it's the focus on the first half of this year suggests that there was resilience in the UK economy. If you consider what's been thrown at it, not just domestically in terms of additional business costs,

25:49tax increases, regulation, but also, of course, from international events. The economy has weathered a fairly great-esque set of conditions and has done so reasonably well. Holding up growth in those conditions is quite an achievement. And does rather beg the question or invite us to consider how the economy may have fared had it not had to endure any of those conditions. But we live in the world we're in and we can't spend all our time looking backwards. So we look forward. The question now is whether the resilience demonstrated by the UK economy can endure through the second half of this year. And the question marks around that, of course, very much linked to inflation, possible trajectory of interest rates, and of course, increasing fuel prices and further global political uncertainty. If the first half of the year is anything to go by, we'll probably just about sweep through. But there are concerns in the city among some economists I've been speaking to that the modest wind in our sales and the first half of this year is likely to disappear in the second half.

26:52But we shall see. Right, it left you cold. Liverpool's speech. Why? Christian. Well, on the whole it did, Nick. I should certainly say that there were elements that did not leave me cold. I mean, certainly his extraordinary defence of the union and his rejection of the nationalism taking hold in Scotland and Wales. I thought was extremely effective as was, of course, the sections where he spoke of his own personal story, not least of his late father. So there were elements of the speech which I thought were extremely effective. In fact, overall, I would concede and this appears to be the consensus that it was an extremely good speech. Certainly, if you like your prime ministers to believe in things, if you like them to make an argument, if you like them to say, come with me, this is where we're going. Then I thought it was a very good speech. If you like your prime ministers to talk about growth and wealth creation and job creation and the importance of businesses and the importance of the private sector and generating all the revenue that's going to help you achieve these expensive ambitions,

27:53then I think, like me, you would have been a bit disappointed. He mentioned business only twice, once to point out that businesses also use water. I think once again, to refer to the fact that he thinks his theory of growth based on public control of utilities creates conditions for business to grow. Andy Burnham says he has a theory on growth. He has a theory on growth in the way that I have a theory on quantum computing, which is that I can give you a paragraph on it, but don't expect me to build you a machine. So no, I don't think on the whole I can get too excited about this speech. I understand if I was part of his labor family, I would have thought it was magnificent and visionary. But my question is, and it's already beginning to be asked by others this morning, is quite what this means for the economy, for tax rises in the future. And of course, he gave us a vision of a country in 2040, which he said he'll be able to start building if he wins in 2030. Well, what about the next three years, assuming there's no election between now and then, nothing on defense, the word defense was mentioned once in his speech. Well, fair, simply he said there wouldn't be any crude cuts. So I think he sort of sacrificed the here and now for a big picture vision, which I can understand is very compelling to a lot of people, but it didn't quite move me.

29:02Coming up at eight, I asked the prime minister directly why he didn't mention defense. So thanks for the tease ahead for that briefly. Can you do it quite quickly? Somebody's economy is in pretty good shape is Colleen Rooney Christian. Yeah, quite the entrepreneur. Colleen Rooney saw her earnings quadruple to two and a half million quid last year. This is her career on the tele and indeed her fashion range for primark has been taking off. She has a company CWR 2021 showed that in 2024 she had about 600 grand in the bank. Now it's 2.4 million. So very effective speculation. She's now the principal bread winner in the Rooney household, although of course, has been Wayne is doing a lot more in the world of punditry as well. So if you're really that interested, Nick, you can of course catch up on all the episodes of their flowering award documentary. I'm sure that you'll weekend set. Well, I'll probably sit with Fowder and other offerings if that's OK Christian mayor's editor chief at city AM checkout his column in today's edition 741 Anastasia says we have to have a national care system. It's important. Taxes have to go up social care is very important to me. I have severe cerebral palsy. I think we spoken about that haven't we. Good luck with the Craig and Chelmsford 1000 needs to be paid for NHS needs to be paid for stagnant growth will not pay for it.

30:13This is the round about Heathrow Simon's in midter Simon. You're on the radio, which way should it go? Good morning. Hi Nick, first time caller. Good to have you answer. Thank you so much. What I quite don't quite understand is the guy earlier is talking about dates 2040 to finish. Why why why do the Chinese be able to build things in months? Because if you want to gather out to the contract, so it out to the Johnny one of the reasons is they don't have the planning laws that we have. In the United Kingdom, so if they want to take your house this afternoon and knock it down, they will. And if you object too much, you'll probably go to jail, whereas we we allow for local people to say, look, we don't particularly want you to demolish the village or the church. Whatever I be, so we have to allow for that. But I point you to India where it's not quite so draconian for and a half years from the Americans say from soup to nuts from the first foundation to their first plane taking of four and a half years. I just think we could do a lot better. Not just agree with your sign and thanks that sign has made and call from it has.

31:14I always admit her like midsummer murders is me for me to see we be like Simon get it off your chest. Get it on the radio and give me a call on that number 742 more coming out from the prime minister. Christian may making the point defense. Why didn't he or not about that? Did we and I asked him directly why stay tuned for his answer that's after eight. So other stories and one you've already had mentioned on the ABC bulletins that number of anti-Semitic incidents at British universities is significantly higher than before the Hamas attacks on Israel coming up to three years ago. CST community security trust charity and for fall disclosure. I said on one of the boards of that said it received 83 reports of incidents affecting Jewish students academics staff or campus organizations. For the first time in a long time. I think we have a lot of time to talk about the graphically on his president of the union of Jewish students and joins me now. Mr. Dayon how bad is it for you and your colleagues on the campuses around our universities. Good morning. Good morning and thank you for having me on the show. I think I have two main messages. One is that Jewish students feel defined. Jewish students will refuse to be intimidated by the challenges that they face on campus.

32:17They are asked to live and lead proud Jewish lives while they are at university and we will support them in all we can to do that at the union of Jewish students. I think it's a come to the report Nick. It is a sobering report and I think the message that I take away from it is that we can't be complacent. We can't be complacent that campus anti-Semitism has gone away or that the issue has been solved and there's got three key things on the report that show that as you mentioned. We have a strong year increase in anti-Semitism between recent academic year and year before and to a level that 79% higher than that baseline of before October 7th. We are seeing an increase in severity of the instance of extreme violence recorded for the first time ever which might suggest a higher threshold at which students feel it is needed to report. We are seeing an increase in the level of under-reporting and thirdly these findings are broadly in line with the findings of our own time for change report in the campus anti-Semitism in March of this year.

33:17I think all those together point picture that anti-Semitism is normalized on campus and that is not a reality that we or Jewish students can't will accept. Let me ask you a question entirely up to you whether you choose to name your university. I'm not going to but the university that I understand you attended because you just finished. Did you choose it because you felt you would be safe as a Jewish man? How much is that part of the selection process when typically teenagers or considering Jewish teenagers? Shall I go to university? How secure is it Rafi? That is absolutely a question that's on the mind of Jewish students and parents when they're thinking about what university is going to make that decision. We want to step in to support Jewish students at that point in time to say look there's actually thriving Jewish societies on campuses up and down the country around the country that we support. They have different, you know, some are larger than others and they have different characteristics and we want to encourage Jewish students to choose universities based on the course that they like, the kind of city they want to live in and know that we are behind them to build them to build with them a thriving Jewish student life and to tech them fantasies and wherever they go to university.

34:25Did you experience anything lastly Rafi over your time at that university? Yes, I had challenges during my time at university and it speaks to challenges that other students have faced. And I think for me, the challenges we speak to Jewish students off some report, they have reported instance of antisemitism to us and we would encourage any students listening. If they do, they experience any antisemitism on campus to report it to us and to CST and we'll be able to support and provide welfare support for you. In Jada Conversely, what are you going to do now professionally Rafi? Am I going to do professionally while I work as the president of the Union of Georgia? Oh, you're going to start a full time job. That's your, I see, oh right, okay. Well, well done. That's a full time job in there. Good luck with what you're doing. Rafi Leon, thank you, your president of the Union of Jewish students, recently graduated from eight university. And we might pick up on that, but coming up after the news, it's up in the air. What happened at RAF Fairford? Here's the farmer who reported the men on the weekend. It's really hard. It is such a flash moment of seeing them but there was definitely more than five. We think maybe between eights and ten of them, a lot of them had their faces covered.

35:28Now it would appear that the accelerant in the van, so there's nothing more than petrol or diesel. But if it was the case, they were nicking fuel. Why were residents not allowed home for nearly two days? Why 500 meter exclusion zone? Why did one of the five reportedly call it into the police if they were just nicking diesel? It doesn't add up, does it? We'll try and look at that in more detail, and just because it's such a funny clip. Palatale Aguero! I swear you'll never see anything like this ever again! Sergio Aguero's final minute goal for Manchester City against QPR. It's effectively founded the Manchester City dynasty, but is the dynasty founded on lies? Nick Fawari at breakfast. Call 0356060973. Nine minutes before eight is the time. Now let's talk about the Premier League Champions, or should that be Premier League Champions?

36:29After it was reported a 900 million pound sham revealed by Premier League using fake sponsorship deals to boost income. It's a blistering statement or verdict, but his Manchester City CEO Feran Sariano responding to the charges and a video has been sent to internal star and players at the club. The whole Premier League case against us is based on a single false accusation. That the owner's personal money was somehow and secretly put into the club via some sponsors from Abu Dhabi. This is just not true. Let's bring Henry Winter, a award-winning football writer, author and broadcaster. Henry, this seems to be going on since the dawn of time. How long has this investigation taken and what happens now? Morning, Henry. Morning, Nick. You only have me on when there's a crisis in football. It's either in Fantino or two full substitutions. I mean, this is the enormity of this and the true sense of the word is just colossal.

37:30To your question, it dates back particularly in the review which came out yesterday, the 40-page, a concise version of the three KC's judges report. It focuses on the period 2009 to 2018. What happens now, Henry? How are they still playing in the Premier League? Well, that's totally relevant and probably the most pertinent question of many questions which are being thrown at Manchester City at the moment. Because, basically, obviously, the season's on hold while the international break, it's probably not coincidence that this has dropped now. So there are no club press conferences that may and my colleagues can go and sort of ask me, Reska, these questions. We need Nick, you in there in the front row just sort of whipping in. I'll leave it to you. I'll leave it to you. I'll play midfield. You can play up front. No, while we need you coming in from the Pavilion at top speed. Absolutely. They have questions to answer.

38:31And, irony of irony, their first game back is Anfield where Liverpool fans will absolutely... They'll run into a storm of scorn, I think it's been called. And, you know, from the moment they step from the bus. And that is something that the owners, Abu Dhabi, really have to consider. They have a duty of care to their players and their coach, Reska and to their fans. Now, you might not have much sympathy for those three parties at the moment, but they are still going into difficult conditions. And the fact that they're still going to appeal. So coming back to your point is that there is a delay, deny, appeal strategy, drag it on, which doesn't help anyone. It doesn't help Manchester City's reputation. It certainly doesn't help the Premier League this season and for seasons to come. Next time we're talking about England, Lyft and Trophy. Let's agree on that. Henry Winter, thank you. Always good having you on sport. Henry Winter, award winning football, writer, author and broadcaster. More of my interview coming up with Andy Berman, particularly as regards the situation in the Middle East.

39:35But we started with all these great ideas, national care schemes, what our service. We need to get the money and so don't we need to develop Heathrow guys and Cleesops to build or not to build? That is the question. What is the answer, Guy? Hi, good morning. Well, the answer to me is yes, we need to build. But my strong recommendation will be just to get on with it and take the smart choice from Surrender Aurora. I've heard it before. He's a very impressive character. He's done his metrics on the playing size and mix and it will be quicker and cheaper. So the other reference I'd put is HS2 became a gratification and legacy project for someone. And it was massively overspoken. They spent a huge on cost trying to get the train to go 10 mile an hour faster than it was already spacked out. And you know, you've got the things right, the million pound backed on it. I mean, we don't want to go back there. I mean, the legacy of HS2 is how we don't build things.

40:36I would go with the smart option. Go with the Surrender Aurora or the Aurora Group. There's a lot of people who might agree with that. Thank you for that. Grateful for your impact. I have a good day coming up on three minutes before eight. Now, before we give you a full news update, let's take a story of heard on the LBC bulletins, which is that alleged bomb lock down at the RAF base in Gloucestershire was foiled. We understand now when one of the suspects rang the police himself. Here with more details, LBC Southwest reporter Heather Cartwright, who's been following the story. Heather, good morning. Well, yes, Nick, fresh information coming out about what happened at RAF Fairford. It has emerged that it was one of the suspects arrested early Sunday morning who called 999 himself a whole hour before any member of the public contacted the police about seeing anything suspicious at the air base. Another big development in this story, we have learned that the bomb squad found no explosives in the back of the three vans at the centre of this incident.

41:36Instead, they discovered a large amount of petrol. Lawrence Taylor is head of UK anti-terror policing. Members of the public will want to know every detail of this investigation. I'm afraid it is simply not possible for me to go into detail and this isn't unusual for the type of investigation. Fresh comments too from Donald Trump, he said that he was disappointed to hear the British authorities. It released those five men on bail. We were involved in it, but as you know, you're in fellow country and they let them go. They put them out on bail. I assume they have a white sloth. These were serious people, seriously bad people and they should not have done that. Meanwhile, search is at the London homes of those five men have been completed by police. And cordons are expected to be lifted fully today in the roads around RAF Fairford and those people whose houses were evacuated and are now back home.

42:37It will take some time though. I imagine to get back to normal in these usually quiet bluster sheer communities around the base. I suspect too that we might get even more details about exactly what happened at RAF Fairford coming out in the coming days, Nick. The car right reporting for LBC. So this is extra. Let's just pick up what you're saying here. Leigh, perhaps the five men were checking the joint out before a future attack. James mask blend turn up in vans in the middle of the night near US base with loads of petrol. How can that earth can that all be innocent there? As I said, and it's not the car rights. Well, there are more questions that there are answers here because. So one of the five makes a call an hour before the pharmacy is it. It still takes the local police 15 minutes to get there. There's then an exclusion zone that set up for two days and one night. 85 homes they bang on doors to drip tape people out and put them in a leisure center. A 500 meter exclusion zone. And they were just nicking diesel just nicking fuel out of tractors.

43:39It something doesn't add up there. All right, we might return to that. But coming up after news, we return to my interview in Liverpool yesterday with Prime Minister Andy Burnham. And I moved on to a conversation about the guards of conflict. Has it been a genocide in Gaza? Well, we carefully consider these matters. So the courts have been, hasn't it, hasn't the courts have made a determination? Never waited for a court decision before Prime Minister. And in other news. The late politician who says the rural part of the middle of warm air and black labor doors is far right. The warning to negligent landlords, the government could seize your properties if they're not rented out. All a bit draconian, isn't it? Those stories and more follow the eight o'clock news on LBC. This is LBC from Global leading Britain's conversation with Nick Ferraria breakfast.

44:45Good morning, four minutes after eight on Wednesday, September the 30th, the Prime Minister, while admitting they didn't move quickly enough about the crisis in the Middle East. What happens when I asked him, I say, actually a genocide taking place in Gaza, stationed for that part of the exclusive interview. In other news, you might have clocked as I did. He talked about working-class aspiration on three occasions. So I asked him, Britain is full of working-class aspirations, don't they, Prime Minister? Yeah, of course they do. You know, the people who, for whom life is hardest, haven't been set up to achieve. So if you are from the working classes and I still don't really know how to determine that, but you've had that aspiration through you or your dad or your mum and Mr. Burnham rightly and proudly talking about his parents and grandparents, what's the story that you can tell me? Staying with other matters of that speech reforms Nigel Ferraria says misleading these misleading people on the triple lock. The thought that cussing pensions would leave enough money free for a national care service, both sums don't add up or make sense at all. And again, with political matters, his nature minister Labour's Jenny Riddle Carpenter speaking in leaked audio about what she perceives as the far rights vision of the UK.

45:54I'll be a vision and a sound vision of vision that never really exists, but with that warm veil of that love and joy of being in a car that doesn't exist. Nick Ferraria breakfast call 0356060973 text 84850 Nick Ferraria breakfast on LBC. One aspect that we have to look at broadly is defence and for many commentators yesterday it was surprising that there wasn't much mention of that in the Prime Minister's speech quite rightly. He talked about his visions of a national care system, he talked about the idea of improving the NHS, he talked about house building programs. But what about the defence as well? It was mentioned but fairly briefly shortly, here is outlining the UK's commitment to NATO. A country which invests in people's success rather than abandoning them and paying for failure. A country like that will be much more resilient to the shops we will undoubtedly face in the rest of this century and more able to meet its NATO obligations on defence.

46:59This leadership we are showing at home will be matched on the international stage. I will be steadfast in my support for Ukraine and stand up to threats wherever they come from, whether Russia, Iran or anywhere. And conference, we will be principled in our leadership in securing a two-state solution between Israel and Palestine as Ed Miliband has shown. So it was a speech that lasted one hour and six minutes, that's all he had to say on defence and then he got into the issue of the Middle East. So I put it on the defence aspect with days on from what could have been a terrorist incident in Fairford, although we have learnt more over night, a terrorist incident in Fairford and precious little national security, premise of why nothing more on defence.

48:00I did speak about defence to the left. Very briefly, I mentioned that NATO obligations. I've talked a lot about defence next since coming into this job. I've made a commitment to fully fund the defence investment plan and that will happen. I was within two weeks of taking office and was in Ukraine supporting President Zelensky. I was at the UN last week talking about issues related to defence and our national security. It has taken actually more of my time probably since I became Prime Minister. Why didn't we hear it just now? You did hear it after the same level. Well, obviously the commitment is only so much you can put on the table in a conference speech. There were big themes that I put on the table. I would say a prospectus that the British public haven't been offered in a long time. I did it with honesty, I did it with clarity and I've set out a 10 year plan for Britain in which I've demonstrated how we can meet our defence commitments by reforming welfare, building more council homes so we can reduce housing benefit.

49:04Taking a different approach getting young people into work so we can reduce the amount we spend on out of work benefits. And that is the route then to meet our NATO commitments. You did speak about honesty. You also talked about principle and principle as a guard Israel and Palestine. Your senior colleague Ed Miliband has talked about the ethnic cleansing that's gone on in Gaza. Has it been a genocide in Gaza? Well, we carefully consider these matters and that word was not used in Ed Miliband's statement to the House of Commons because always the approach of the British government is to take the lead from the courts. So when the courts have made a determination. They never waited for a court decision before Prime Minister, you've been a fairer. On something that is serious as that Nick, I think that is the case. So how would you say that? The issue is still under consideration, isn't it, from the international... You mentioned the London Mayor, Lord Khan. He says there has been a genocide.

50:04What would you say to Lord Khan? In my position, I think it's right that I wait and I base what I say on those who've studied the evidence and the legal position. And it's something that I think is important given the feeling around these issues. I did agree with Ed Miliband to talk about the illegal occupation and the war crimes that we believe have been committed. So we did call it where we have evidence. So you don't know where we believe it's clear. We have said that. I'm not saying that it isn't at this point in time. That hasn't yet been determined, but we will take our lead from the courts. How comfortable were you, again in a related conversation? A woman of 94 and some others were arrested here on the weekend for wearing a t-shirt that said, stop the genocide in Gaza. I support Palestine action. Is that terrorist activity? Well, obviously they are currently a prescribed organisation.

51:05And I have in the past considered how do we have a situation where the most extreme elements of that organisation, which have carried out attacks at military installations, there's quite a spectrum there, isn't there, in terms of what you've described in the other end of all year-old grandmother. I understand the point that you're making. And I also, though, would say there's another end of the spectrum here. What does that mean? What I've just said, that there are parts of that organisation that have carried out attacks at military bases, and that's a different thing. To comment on that, I'm joined in the studio with Bihusam Zomlot, who's head of the Palestinian mission to the United Kingdom. And to be the Palestinian ambassador, the day factor ambassador to the UK. Thanks for coming in. How has the position of the United Kingdom towards the Palestinian people changed with a change of personnel with Andy Burnham and Ed Miliband?

52:08Good morning, Nick. No, I am officially formerly the Palestinian ambassador after the UK, and it is the embassy of the state of Palestine. Let's celebrate that moment. The mission was there for many years, and it was upgraded recently after the historic recognition of the state of Palestine by the UK government. Yeah, I've just heard that conversation with the Prime Minister, it was good to see you on train. Yes, I know, it's bizarre when I said, I saw you last night. I hate such a thing. We were on the same train. That's why I'm about to say. Yes, so what you heard from Mr. Burnham about the position of the British government, about the idea of genocide, were you disappointed in what the Prime Minister said? Well, my view is very clear. It is genocide. Israel has committed genocide, and I'm not alone with me. The commission of inquiry with us, all the human rights organizations, including your own, amnesty, international with us,

53:08is the international association of genocide, scholars, and with us is the world's highest court. The international court of justice already has, early as January 2024, saying that the crime of genocide is plausible by Israel in Gaza, and has placed Israel on trial. So the question is, why the, why the composition? This whole composition is a genocide or not? Why did the Prime Minister say so? I ask again. This is genocide or not. But Mrs. De Poin that you have 94% of the population in Gaza right now are in desperate need for shelters, and these shelter materials are sitting in Jordan waiting for Israel to remove its blocking of these life-saving materials. So I have to Gaza. So the conversation is about terminology. So the conversation is, Israel did not kill enough people to call it by its name. But I'm asking for your Mr. Burnham here, Ambassador. Yes. Exactly. And I think Mr. Burnham should just say that we accept the international courts, and we accept the UN, and we accept the experts on their verdict about this period.

54:20And obviously the answer to this question, Ambassador, is ask him. But why do you imagine he won't do that? Because you know, accepting international definition of this as a genocide would require action. And this is the whole conversation. And the convention on the prevention of genocide is very clear. Once you actually accept it as genocide, states have to act immediately. And immediate protection of the people and the population that are being genocide. The action taken by the Foreign Secretary of the Miliband, quite recently imposed, is further than any other British government has gone. Yes. I imagine you welcome that. So what measures, other measures, as I said from sanctions, what other measures do you think the British government should be looking at? Well, what he said, but what he said needs to be implemented, and it needs to be implemented immediately, comprehensively, without any hesitation, for too long neck.

55:23For too long Israel has been getting the wrong message. The wrong message is they have full impunity. They are above the law. We need to make sure that every illegality is marked, that the sanctioned regime would literally end all this. We need to discuss how to end the occupation rather than how to begin another process of talking. So we are expecting a full arms embargo, complete. Anything that would help or assess the occupation is illegal. As the entire occupation is illegal. We need to see serious implementation of the ban on trade with settlements. We need to see serious sanctioning of any company, any institution, that finance, help facilitate, promote these illegal settlements. So the service part is very important. And we need to see the entire ecosystem sanctioned, meaning neck, the settlements are the crime, but Israel is the criminal.

56:29So we want to make sure that the Israeli institutions, the state institutions and organizations that are supporting these settlements are also sanctioned. You rightly point out the people who say there is genocide. I have to put you Mr. Ambassador. People such as the judge advocate general of the armed forces, Jeffrey Blackett says the charge of genocide against Israel is absolute nonsense. It doesn't accord with the law. There is a school of thought that it's not genocide, Ambassador. Well, again, for me, as a Palestinian, this genocide has not been happening only for the last three years. It's been happening for eight years. Genocide has been happening for eight years. When two thirds of my people, including my parents, were ethnically cleansed from their homes. And by the way, Gaza has 80% population of those who were ethnically cleansed from their homes in 1948. When in fact, Britain was in mandate of Palestine. So, you know, for a long time, Palestinian voices were not heard. We've been saying, this is ethnic cleansing. This is state sponsored terrorism. We are subjected to a relentless campaign of oppression. And today, I think it's about time that Palestinian voices are heard.

57:37The British voices and the British people, the great British people who have been always sliding with fairness, not just for Palestine. Remember for South Africa and the anti-apar type movement that were led by your grannies, led by your veckers. And the same thing they're doing again, that the Prime Minister is not hearing you when you said, why are you arresting these people? Why are you criminalizing these people? So today, it's about people. It's about hearing people. Your message to them, I have to move on, finally, about your message to the Prime Minister, that he wouldn't accept that there was genocide. He doesn't know whether there is or whether there isn't. He didn't really comment about 94-year-old women being arrested. Your message to him. My message is not to be worked out about definitions, is to stop the genocide, to stop the unlawful and end the unlawful occupation, to really, really push once and for all for the equal application of international laws. We celebrate the two states' solution, espouse, and together in that state of Palestine, we will see the fruits for all people of the region.

58:39Appreciate your time this morning. Thank you very much, Ambassador Husam Zomelov, coming in to LBC. Nick Ferrarian Breakfast, on LBC, call 03456060973 022 is the time. How are you going to be the first call on my conversation with the Ambassador there? But news breaking at this time, it is related possibly. A suspected security incident was reported aboard a fly Dubai aircraft on route from Dubai to Tel Aviv. The aircraft was due to land in Saudi Arabia. It's impossible now to know whether 100% certainty what happens is what a news agency is reporting. The aircraft activated an emergency code linked with attempted hijackings, transmitting a distress signal. The incident is ongoing. Efforts are being made to undermine what is happening inside the aircraft. Once the aircraft lands, the cargo hold will be searched and the crew questioned how we have crew. We need to find out whether it doesn't say whether it passes, we get a bit more details.

59:39It's afraid flight or there are persons onboard. There may be a potential hijacking going on on a fly Dubai aircraft on Dubai to Tel Aviv, which might now land somewhere in Saudi Arabia. But obviously it is what is left to be up in the air. If we get more, we'll bring it to you. Okay, that's breaking news. Let's come to Howard in Louten. Should the Prime Minister have gone further as regards saying whether it is or it is not genocide. Good morning. Good morning, Nick. I find a lot of what the politicians are saying very, very disingenuous. I apologize. I call the tail end of that interview. We'll come to it later, but the reason I texted him was the very last thing that the ambassador said, which was about well, the Palestinians welcoming a two-state solution. And the confusion here is, first of all, we don't really know who the Palestinian leadership is. And the other thing that is not really the same as the other one is the V8. And both Palestinian leaderships, whoever they are, have made it abundantly clear several times.

1:00:43They do not accept a two-state solution. We keep saying two-state solution. They don't want it. So first of all, the ambassador's last sentence is completely disingenuous because that's not what the leadership, either one of them, has said on more than one occasion. We are saying to these people, you are going to have a two-state solution. And now we don't want one. We're not willing to know. So we don't want one. So for many, many, many years, whoever is in charge of the Palestinian people has made it clear they don't want. And ever since October the 7th, the appetite for a two-state solution in Israel has fallen through the floor. Because why would they want to suggest a two-state solution with people after what they did on October the 7th? And now the idea of a two-state solution at the moment is dead in the water. But we keep saying it. But the people we're trying to impose it on on either side have said, we don't want that. So how have you broken a week to force that onto them? I don't think we can possibly account for what Hamas might want or might not want because we're dealing with them.

1:01:48But do you not, if we look at the Palestinian authority, do you not think that a two-state solution would be welcome by senior representatives of that organization? They've said that it's not. We still saw it. I just think that you say... I say that it is, though, Howard. So what do we take from that? I think we take the official policy of the people in charge. So the ambassador might say things. But let's look at what the PA actually say and do. But this can't go on forever like this. It can't, but it can't. What do you think will happen if we force it? All this going to happen is we're going to create a Tinder box and it will be worse than you can possibly imagine. Howard, thank you for calling in. It's an interesting point you make. There's no way that we can know, but I would imagine if the people involved were told, would you like a solution that means that the military and military actions will stop, that medication will come in,

1:02:52that we will start to be able to rebuild your homes and return to your homes? I would have thought, and I don't know how to not be a glib to your try at all, I would have thought most people would go for it. And if it's not a two-state solution, then I'm defied to think, well, it can be. Howard, thank you. A lot of calls coming on that, but there are other matters and we'll come back to other matters from the Liverpool Labour Party Conference, because here's one of them. It's not necessarily a household name, nature minister. Obviously, Labour MP, Jenny Ridell Carpenter, speaking in some leaked audio about what she sees as the far right's vision of the United Kingdom. I do believe that the next election is going to be fought on a backline with nature and more affairs, and that we, the far right, deciding and turning what that looks like, and it will be a vision, and a standard vision of Britain, a standard vision of Britain that never really existed, that we, that warm ale about lavering to a biofeed, and a pub that doesn't exist, and it will be a variant that will be with similism, the fox hunting all around them, and it will be a very far right, a standard vision of Britain, that we don't want to have, never really existed.

1:03:55We don't want it, never really existed, and it's far right. Let's bring in the conversation, a senior conservative politician, a conservative party chairman Kevin Holland-Racon. I'm a fairly eagle-eyed journalist, I've been doing this for more than a couple years. I think someone's joining you on this video link, Chairman. Good morning. Who is it? Would you like to introduce him or her? Good morning, Nick. This is Zuzu. She's a female black lab. She's two years old. And I'm going to say, it's not a nostalgic vision of North Yorkshire. This is what daily life is like in North Yorkshire, Nick. She looks beautiful, and she's absolutely adorable. I can imagine when you're always going to welcome Zuzu when you get home. Let's broaden it to the political arena, your view on her view. It's ludicrous. This is daily life in North Yorkshire. I'm a proud lifetime resident of North Yorkshire, the rural pub, the black lab. The warm part of ale is what people love around here, and we want to preserve. The conservative party, the closing of the name, we want to conserve.

1:04:59We want to conserve those wonderful things we have in places like North Yorkshire. And indeed many of the parts of the country, Zuzu comes with me to London. She enjoys going to the pub in London as well. So this clearly, Chairman. You've got lovely Zuzu there. You like to go to the pub, you're in the country. So you're far right. You're a danger there, Nick. Clearly, Chairman. Well, apparently so. I've got the rest of the people in my local pub must be as well, because they have a similar view of life. And we're still looking to live in North Yorkshire. And the reason you do this job is you want to make sure everybody is as lucky as we are. And I know there's lots of problems up and down the country that we need to come front. But I think somehow condemning life in places like North Yorkshire, other rural areas is completely wrong. What would you want to tell that particular MP? Because it is an often carried out view, isn't it? Or often peddled view of people in pubs with their dogs or whatever it might. Does it show that they're out of touch in your view? I'm a master of that. I'm a master of that. I invite Jenny, he comes to North Yorkshire and meet the people, really decent people, work hard. Get out of bed in the morning. Very low unemployment around here. Very few people on benefits.

1:06:03We really contribute to society. This is the life we lead and I'm proud of it. So I just don't get the socialists really. They seem to really be envious somehow with the life we have in rural areas. When really we should recognize it and we should value it. It's just simply wrong. Before I let you go, and of course you will be preparing for your own party conference. I have to just get a word from you on one aspect of the Prime Minister's speech yesterday up in Liverpool as chairman of the Conservative Party. Your party still committed to the triple lock. We are. Absolutely. And I mean, the reality is what Andy Burns announced yesterday. He takes 15 billion pounds at some point in the future, probably another 10 years time. 15 billion pounds a year out of pensioners pockets. That's a reality. We think that's the wrong way to reshape the welfare system. You can do that by changing the way we do. We work a year's benefit. That serves as about 25 billion pounds a year, reinstating the two child capital benefits.

1:07:08Those are the right ways to reform welfare. Thanks for your time. Give my best to Zuzu. I hope to meet her one day to smashing the king dog Kevin Holland-Rakers, Conservative Party chairman. Yorkshire MP and the owner of a black lab retriever called Zuzu. Thanks for your time. Steve says, I live in a village. There's an old local pub which serves warm ale. There are plenty of labs and other breeds of dog around. There's also one. Oh, that sounds lovely. One thousand year old well, a church and a duck pond. I absolutely love it. Am I far right? Am I one of the baddies? Well, in the view of one of the Labour politicians or indeed a Labour Minister, actually, you probably are. We'll have more on that. But also, coming up after the news, we've taken away the flame of working class aspiration from too many families. That's me noting the primaries to use that expression not once, not twice, but three times working class aspiration. I asked him to try and define it. Nick Ferrari at breakfast called 035-6060-973. 835, let's return to our conversation at that interview with the Prime Minister up in Liverpool on the conversation we had.

1:08:12Concerning the use of the word genocide, Derek and Ejewis have been hanging on the line for some time. Derek, thanks for holding on. The point you want to make. So, good morning. Good morning to you. I find it interesting that you have the ambassador of Palestine and Palestine doesn't exist. When you talk about, when you talk about something that exists maybe on paper, it only really goes forward when you actually construct something that, you know, the, the, the, the gardens in Palestine, there really been more interested in the deconstruction of Israel. But the point of election like to make is that first, the number one is well accepted at two states' solution in 1948. Right? They accepted a slither of the land that they had. And the animal rejected the level of the conversation I had with the Prime Minister if we could. Should he have gone further or was he right to use the words he did, Derek? No, of course, there are absolutely libelous words, which of course the natural broad classes in this country, regularly allow to to, to, to, to, to spew such hate and they become the absolute norm.

1:09:13So, shouldn't he have said it's not genocide that does? Israel, Israel is in a part dead state. Israel is a colonial empire. No, no, no, no. I know. So, shouldn't the Prime Minister have taken that opportunity to say it is not genocide, Nick? Shouldn't he have said that to me? Say that again. Shouldn't the Prime Minister have taken that opportunity when asked on more than one occasion to say Nick, it is not genocide? No, he's not going to do that because he's paying to the Muslim vote in this country. So, it's completely understandable why he doesn't do that. He's got no moral authority in that respect. He's purely playing politics. And the idea that you know, he's, they're trying to embrace the British values of the young, the dog and so forth, is absolute nonsense. It is purely political. There's absolutely no moral courage, no moral spine, and standing up for what is actually right. Derek, thank you. One man's right is another man's wrong. We'll have more calls on that in just a minute. I must end there 837 news break at this time when we seem to have a resolution. Now this is from Reuters News Agency, that flight that I mentioned, bound for Israel from Dubai, diverting to Saudi Arabia after transmitting emergency signals.

1:10:17This was due to a fight between the pilots rather than a high, what a physical fight? Rather than a hijacking, this is coming from Israeli news agency. Dubai, sorry, Dubai flight, FZ 1073, if that's important, diverted over Jordanian airspace towards Saudi Arabia transmitting a general emergency signal, transmitting another emergency signal indicating a possible unlawful interference. The plane again transmitted the general emergency signal before landing, and airport in North Western Saudi Arabia. Everyone is on the ground, everyone appears to be safe, and that's about it. That was because there was a disagreement between the pilots. Anyway, everyone's on the ground, so let's move on. More calls on my conversation with a lot of calls coming. Let's go to another aspect. Some of you that I'm sure many of you picked up on when he spoke yesterday afternoon about this working class aspiration. We are a country full of working class aspiration, and we will be the government that unlocks it. Hours is the same story of so many families, British families of my generation, a story of working class aspiration.

1:11:24We gave Britain hope again. We made working class aspiration feel real. Yes, not once, not twice, but three times working class aspiration. When I sat with them after the speech, I asked Andy Burnham, how to define working class aspiration? It is the desire of people from, if you say humble beginnings, to get on in life. That was my grandmother, my grandfather, who drove a lorry alongside the docks where we are sitting right now. They wouldn't have been able to take in the fact that their grandson was on this stage today. My grandmother brought her home by walking across fields from the city and put a deposit down on it. She was full of working class aspiration. She was determined that the life of her daughter, my mum, will be better than hers. My mum was determined that my life will be better. You can't just picture how you want that for Britain today. I do. I think Britain is full of working class aspiration. They don't have aspirations, don't they? Prime Minister?

1:12:24Yes, of course they do. But I was talking about my story today. I was trying to let the public and the country know who I am and where I have come from and to tell the country how I feel about things. That was what I was saying today. Often the people who, for whom life is hard, has not been set up to achieve. What I was saying in my speech is that the loss of the ability to have a council home, the school system that is focused so much now on the university route and doesn't offer technical pathways. I think we've taken away the flame of working class aspiration from too many families. And lastly, you talked about a cost of living government. Can you give my listeners a promise that the projected fuel duty height next year will be halted? That will be delayed. For the budget, Nick. I can't give you those details. Now, well, what I can give you, or... But you're not. Prime Minister, diesel is north. Oh, I know. Don't worry. I know. And I'm watching that very closely. So I can assure your listeners of that.

1:13:25But what I can also say to them is, VAT will come off their electricity bills on Thursday. And that was because of the decision I took as I entered Downing Street. So I'm not going to say that is everything. It's not. But I hope it does communicate to your listeners. Many of them that I've got my eye on what's going on. I'm doing what I can to help them. And that won't change. To OBC's political editor Natasha Clarke, who joins me from the OBC stand or mini studio at the conference in Liverpool. Riding the Prime Minister there at Natasha, they were the cost of living government. But he's got a lot of pressures on his hands with these fuel prices, doesn't it? Morning to you. Good morning, Nick. Yes. And I thought he did lean in a little bit on your question about fuel. He said, I'm so aware of what is going on at the pumps. And it does mirror with what I've been hearing within government, Nick. We know that 5P cut to fuel duty. The government have extended it till the end of the year. I don't see any way they're not going to be able to extend it further, given the rises in petrol that you've been covering with your fuel tracker. And you see every day we get calls on every day. People are really feeling it. And that is going to feed through, of course, to inflation and other areas.

1:14:32So the Prime Minister giving you a really clear hint there that that is going to be a really key part of his budget in just a few weeks time. As you know, I had to leave last night so that I'm physically in London to present the show. You obviously stayed and you'd have been speaking with MPs and ministers and delegates. For me, the brief bit I did bear, people seemed pretty positive about the messages that Andy Burnham gave out yesterday afternoon. How did it trickle through the evening and into the night the reaction? Yeah, that's right, Nick. I think overall people were very happy with Andy Burnham speech. They were delighted to hear from their new leader, from their new Prime Minister. This was always going to be a victory lap conference, Nick. You know that. This is Andy Burnham doing the rounds, getting the pressing the flesh, going to meet all these members that he's not met before and getting his homecoming in his city. So I don't think it was going to be anything other than that. But people were happy to hear from him. They thought the speech was positive. They thought it was great that he delivered it without notes. They thought the tone was wonderful. I think it was great to be able to talk about the things that I like to the stuff on social care. They even welcomed the triple lot. Most of the MPs I was speaking to do think it is time to end the triple locks and that went down well. But Nick, there were some holes in it.

1:15:40There are concerns within the Labour Party and people I've been speaking to over the last 24 hours are worried about the Brexit debate opening up. That was Andy Burnham sort of swung some finisher at the conference in his speech yesterday. I think that's going to be a big risk. And on electoral reform as well, that's something Andy Burnham is being banging on about for years. He believes that some of the problems with the state are about how it is wise and he wants to rip up the system with a new voting system to start again. But there are concerns from people I was speaking to that this isn't the right way to do it. That actually it is not really a priority for the voters. There was also like you did in your interview, Nick, some concerns that he didn't address some of the other major things going on in the world. There was a big hole, I think, on the economy in his speech, Nick didn't hear quite as much as I would want to hear from him on that. And of course, defense and like I say, we will be hearing from him more on the budget in just a few weeks time. But yes, overall a very positive welcome for Andy Burnham. It's his first conference. It was never going to be derailed, wasn't it? What was it? Derailed have a safe trip back on the trains Natasha Clarke, OVC's political editor, reporting on Liverpool. Thank you for that.

1:16:44So what is working class aspiration as you said, David Singh Goff, so what's your story David? Good morning. Yes, good morning, Nick. Nice to speak to you again. Good to have you. Your story. Are you with mum and dad with mum and dad working class? Yes, my father was a milkman, my mother really clean them all shopper, and whatever she could do to a money. I left school with 16 thousand employment, doing all manner of jobs, just for something to do. I wasn't particularly under the secondary model, helicopter, O-levels, but not enough to get me anywhere really. So I've always worked in 16, never been unemployed. I'm 74, still working. Still paying tax, always pay back, always pay national insurance. I didn't have to pay anymore. So I've paid him for a long time. David Stormch, Labour supporters, my parents, my family. Yeah. I just don't really understand what's going on because that's all I've got to call. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right.

1:17:44That's talking about some depends on those could have been means tested or it's not going to be means tested. So there's always going on. The National Insurance Act of Oblivious National 48 introduced the system of healthcare and pensions for everyone that paid into it. That's been extended over the years, the people that haven't paid into it and what have you. Okay, fair enough. But I'm so annoyed with what's happened to the Labour Party and the Burn and the never-earned spiritual election of the last parliament. He left Parliament because he couldn't get on with Jeremy Corbyn when he became leader of the Labour Party. Well, some would see that as a matter of principle, of course, but do they all have calls? Yeah. But he wasn't on politics. As I say, never stood at the last parliament and he's been parachuted in by what it means, it was disparate in different ways. What is it? What is it you heard yesterday that disappointed you or I think made you angry, Mr. Burnham? I think it is attacking the working class system that has been developed by a year in bed because those guns have found mean testing pensions.

1:18:49I have a small garage of pension as well. And it's just take, take, take is all that I see. We have won over the year. That's all we can afford. And I don't see it getting any better. I have children all grown up now. I have grandchildren. And I'm encouraging them to leave this country. Lastly, where do you think they should go, David? I think they need to go back to the early socialist. No, no, I'm so sorry. Where should your children go geographically? Oh, geographically, I think Canada will be a good option to all of them. It's not America at the moment. Canada has so much to offer. OK, I know that it does. Anyway, best wishes to your children, David. Thank you. And well done for your working class aspiration. We'll continue those stories. Also, coming up after the news, here's Andy Burnham. This is making front-page news, of course, talking about that triple lock. This is the deal, a state pension that rises every year. No care charges and a high quality national care service to give peace of mind in later life.

1:19:57Nick Ferrari at breakfast called 0356060973. How does nine minutes before nine come? Coming more of your reaction in moment, let's get some more political reaction, those will be heard from the prime minister, particularly concerning the triple lock. Join in the studio now by reform UK and P and a deputy leader of reform. Richard Tyson. Thanks for coming by the studio, Mr. Tyson. Good to see you. I've just heard from the Conservative Party chairman that the triple lock is safe with the conservatives, reforms position on what we heard from the PM. We think that the prime minister wants to punish pensioners, punish savers at such a critical time of people's lives. And it's completely wrong. We're committed to the triple lock. We think it's the right thing to do for people who've worked, who've strived, who've saved. And instead know what the prime minister wants to do is to punish pensioners. And instead he wants to suck up to bungling bureaucrats in Brussels. It's completely the wrong way around. Why would you want to do that? Well, if you talk about Brussels, he is fair to say he dropped the strongest hint yet that a possible return to the EU could be an option.

1:20:59My listeners were already saying this from someone who wasn't even elected as an MP last time out. Your reaction is on that. The last thing we want to do is hijack ourselves and handcuffs ourselves to a failing economic EU model. And let's just remind everybody since Brexit, Germany and France have actually grown even slower than the slow growth United Kingdom. What we need to be doing is be sovereign, be independent, have cheap energy by drill Britain drill, allowing the licenses in Jack Dull, in Rosebank, elsewhere in the North Sea, onshore, the folk and allions, the more energy of oil and gas that we have, the more growth, the more supply of cheap energy, that creates jobs, that creates money, that creates wealth and prosperity. And that's how you bring the bills down instead of forecast out this morning Nick, 20% increase in bills plus or minus in January. And his pensioners living in a suffer the most. Let's talk a little bit about growth. I opened the show with a conversation that because he talked and he lauded the work in getting another ferry across the mercy, which is great for the folk of Liverpool.

1:22:02But we've been trying for the last 30 years to get another runway down here in London. You talk about growth, you're a businessman, you're boots. Don't we need a third runway for going to get growth? We're going to pay for all these aspirations. Look, we do need growth, we need investment, we need infrastructure at the right cost and actually a third runway he throw, but a shortened one for narrow-body jets is the smart way to do it. The the surrender of a raw plan, I think is a very interesting plan, which can be done faster, cheaper, quicker. And that's what we need, we need growth everywhere. And in fairness to the prime minister, he's right, we want growth across the whole of the UK. But the way you do that is smart regulation, not draft regulation from Brussels. The last thing we need to do is to tie ourselves up in ever more regulation from a slerotic failing Brussels. And if you just look at the growth figures, right, there's been no GDP growth per person disposable income this year. And from the beginning of 2025, it's actually down per person on disposable income. And that's before the increase in energy prices, taxes and by the way, we expect this prime minister will introduce some form of death tax as part of his assault on pensioners.

1:23:16Almost at the end of the conference season, how has it been for reform UK? You're not enjoying that lead that you had for, I think Nigel Farais used to quit 500 days. It's no longer there, why Richard Ties? Well, the competition's a good thing, we're not afraid of it. And we mustn't be in any way doubting that we've got to roll a sleeves up, we've got to work hard, we've got to convince the great British people that our policies are best. And that the country's in serious financial trouble, we face bankruptcy and blackouts. That's literally where we're heading this winter, unless we change course. Blackout Britain could be Burnham's legacy if we carry on with this absurd dash to net zero. And because of, you know, is it too much reliance on solar? Yes, it's too much reliance on wind turbines and solar farms, which have low inertia in the electricity. That's why they had a problem in Spain. That's the last thing we need here. Lastly, quick word, a national commission on electoral reform towards the end of the prime minister's one hour six minute speech. Where would reform UK be on any reform in our voting system?

1:24:19Well, the first thing to do to reform in the voting system is to stop the mass postal voting system, which leads to the great risk of fraud to stop family voting. Well, no, there are there are there are plenty of examples of it. We see it and hear it is very, very concerning. It's so hard to do it because I actually led one, so I know about it's very, very hard. So that's the first reform and we've got such a financial crisis at the moment and such an energy crisis. What we need is a big reform majority to turn this country down and create some growth for our pensioners for our voters and for our strivers and our workers and our entrepreneurs. Thanks for coming out of the studio. I would say it's a rich, a deputy leader of reform, eight fifty six. Let's come back to our stores working class aspiration we heard from the prime minister. Mary and brain tree. What does it mean to you? Mary, good morning. I'm really because I'm so angry at the press coverage. Well, because are you talking about pensioners is this where all poor and we all have the same view, which we really don't know. I say that as a pensioner, but also why do you picked on this? There was an hour and six minutes as you just said of all sorts of stuff. Yes.

1:25:26I think it's really I had yesterday was thinking somebody was going to finally deal with social care. Right. And we can't do that if we keep us is putting around this whole thing is not cutting the triple lock. It was much more complicated than that. He was changing it. And actually also said he would say God, but do you recognize a lot of people rely and I'm delighted to hear you don't marry, but a lot of people do rely on that. And he said he would make sure those who rely most on it. But if you take away, if you take away the inflation link. So I'm sorry to go if you take away the link with inflation. Let's say God forbid inflation is running at 8% and you're getting 2% on your pension. That's going to make life really, really tough for you. It's going to make it tough, but it's also we're not that we're not the poorest group families are poor. And actually we would be getting the same as anybody who's working. But the idea surely Mary that people who are getting 240 pound a week are bankrupting the country.

1:26:32That's nonsense. No, they're bankrupting the country. You know you have a private pension, but not everyone does. It's not a private pension. It's a work. I'm so sorry. Apologies. I miss her. And when you get an increase in your state pension, your tax on the work pension goes up. So it's a very complicated system and everybody all the media going out picking on this. What about the other stuff he said? It's very, very nice. And one of the things I would like to see in this country is a media that actually has a bit of more balance and actually a bit of common sense. I'm grateful for your input. Mary, thank you. And I'm pleased that you have those pension provisions. Let's get one. Thank you Mary. One call briefly working class aspiration. Sean in that field. I think this is the Sean. I know we've touched on this before morning Sean. Yeah, good morning. The controller is this. Well, I'm working class to the books. I was born in Michael's food in a slump by 95% military. I grew an enterprise in Bromley from nothing to five and a quid. And I'm not in power. I'm a stock. And I've a lot of profit in that by the way. The return of the vanity figure. I did that because a given opportunity and the enterprise allowance given a job major.

1:27:41I'm trying to buy Tony Blair. But it doesn't talk like this at all. He's a good believe in aspiration for the working class. You please keep this in the box on a state pension. Robin, grow your own company and provide for yourself with a private pension. And that's where you're going wrong. He's not for his country. He is a product of the working class. Isn't he? If you heard a story of his grandparents and indeed his parents for that matter. I get bored of that blind. Yeah, what's he done with it? He's been a lot more in the state sector. Angela Rainer, registered members interest ladies and gentlemen, she made £185,000 this year outside, outside work. She presented. She created it into the employment of anybody. The socially slight big money in it on the back of the people. I will leave it there. Sean, thank you. I've heard that. And I don't mean that it's wibbly. It's so impressive what you achieve. And again, I know a lot of it. You put down to your military service that you come from as you your words, the slums of Mackelsfield Sean take care of yourself. Thank you. Having come back from Liverpool, the big, the bigger word up there, a big slogan was hope again. Andy Burnett mentioned the word hope 11 times in his conference speech.

1:28:42I'm LBC's Henry Riley finding out what his supporters think that four letter word actually means. And back at the conference, the darling of many housing, Pacific Angela Rainer speaking. Unlicensed and unregulated agents are taking thousands from their clients with no transparency or accountability. About housing reforms, which should ultimately allow them, it would appear to seize properties. But on what circumstances, more on that and other stories after the 9 o'clock news on LBC. This is LBC from global leading Britain's conversation with Nick Ferrari at breakfast. Why don't you four minutes after 9 on Wednesday, September the 30th coming up in this hour. Very much the theme, of course. If you remember the prime minister's speech open with belief again and with hope again, wherever you went. At the conference center in Liverpool, you saw that slogan hope again. I'll be asking, hope again. What does that mean for you? If you're a nurse, if you're a mum trying to get your kids out to school.

1:29:52If you're a mum with SCND send pupils, if you're without getting Mary angry again, listen, if you're a pensioner, what does hope again mean to you? Plus to the field of housing, housing secretary Angela Rainer speaking about those proposed reforms. Conference, we will legislate for an independent regulation to rain these cowboys in. And coming back to the PM, you'd have needed a heart of stone, not to have been moved. And credit to him, he lost his dad two weeks ago. And yet he referenced him in some detail in that speech. So I asked him looking down from above, what would dad have made of how he pointed. That's a hard question. I struggled a little. That's what his funeral is on Friday in a certain way.

1:30:52Let's pause and reflect on that for a moment. He's not even buried his dad. Ten weeks in the job, two weeks since he lost his dad, clearly a tremendously close relationship between father and son. Professional as well, I would imagine a lot of the Prime Minister's political beliefs driven by his dad Roy. He's not even buried him. And he did what he did yesterday. All right, there was a moment, I've never seen anything like it in a speech, by the way, never seen anything like it where he stalked. And you thought, is he going to start and there would have been search support if he had started crying, but we're all grown up now, it's 2020, 26, it's not the 1950s. You're allowed to cry when you lose your dad. God knows I did. But is he actually going to be in front of everybody? And he's somebody pulled it back. That was the most personal part of my conversation with the Prime Minister from yesterday. And that comes up later. Because as you wade your way around the conference and the hotel and very fortunate, I'm very fortunate in the hotel that ABC put me in is actually within the centre which well actually it's unfortunate to wait because all you ever do is if you never actually get out among real people in Liverpool, but everywhere you turn, you just saw this slogan, hope or hope again all over Liverpool.

1:32:05But what does it actually mean, particularly on Labour Party, ABC's Henry Riley reports. Hope in every heart. We gave Britain hope again, people with hope again. Hope. Hope comes from honesty and we will have hope again. Today I say to them, we are bringing back the hope, a younger generation without hope by giving young people hope again. Rediscover a sense of hope. All together now, we can do it. We will believe again. We will hope again. Thank you, conference. In 11 times that four letter word was used during the Prime Minister's speech. What are those who are in the room listening to Andy Burnham think hope actually means?

1:33:11I'm Ethan. I'm just a regular old university student. What does hope mean to you? I'm Bishop. Growth. When I wake up in the morning, I don't have to fear, shall I be bill us today? Will I be left with money today? My name is Pat. I was in education for 45 years. Hope means a better world. That can mean locally, internationally, internationally. The party has been doing everything it possibly can to help everyone to have a decent life. I'm an activist. I'm also a coach. What does hope look like in one sentence? I'm a lot of people. What means that you can have something to look forward to for your next generation? That's what we have. I'm Meg. I'm a nurse. That speech was awesome. I think it was the aspirations for our younger generation. That was a bit that gave me hope. Peace of the days. I used to play 40. Well, hope was getting a country together. I think there's too many factions who, hey, listen, I'm not going to agree with everybody. But you'll be care to yourself about it. And not, let's say, defies of politics.

1:34:15And that's what I want in this country. And we've got a Labour government. We've got a new leader. And we've got a support. We don't have to agree with all the policies, as we know. But as it comes to, we've got to get together. Because it's hard, well dealt there. Yes, that was the Peter Reed, who said, I'm Peter Reed. I played footy. Peter Reed, Everton, an England former manager, Henry Riley Catcher. And of course, good friend of Andy Burnham. Mr Burnham is no stranger to Everton football club. Right. Let's talk a little bit about hope now. So John Curtis is political scientist and professor of politics at the University of Stathquine. The man from Hope, Hope Arkham sought that work for Bill Clinton. It didn't do Barack Obama any problems either, any problems either. What about Andy Burnham? What do you make of that slogan? Professor, good morning. Well, I think what Andy Burnham was doing was, in a sense, to indicate that his government was going to have a very different style from that.

1:35:18It was predecessor, secure, starma and be set up a set of a long term policy directions that aren't going to deliver anything in the immediate future. But he's hoping by getting people to focus on that, they will put up with what is already acknowledged will still be short term economic difficulty. But in the hope and the belief that this government will create a country that is better. So that's some of his ideas to be controversial. So let's go through those two things. So there were two fundamental criticisms of secure starma. One was that people didn't have any sense of what he stood for, what kind of country he wanted to create, and he tended to adopt to pessimistic a tone. Well, people will agree or disagree about Andy Burnham speech. But and most of these conference speeches get forgotten. One suspects this one will not be forgotten if only because it's set up a set of ambitions that may perhaps at the end of the day not be fulfilled. But he certainly set up a clear sense of direction. It's a sense of direction that touches some very traditional labor zones.

1:36:23It's looking back, not necessarily the nationalization of industry, but more control over our specs of utilities, social care on the grounds that it becomes an extension of the NHS, something labor values. Council housing, not just social housing, local authorities building council houses once again, an old labor, an Austrian, and even the plans for education were sold as a revival of comprehensive education. Now, of course, what's true about all those let alone the possibility of changing our relationship with the opinion, why once again or indeed changing the electoral system. These are all frankly things that are if some of them will get implemented in this parliament, but the dividends of all of them in many cases, the implementation is going to be beyond the next election is going to be a 10 year plan. So what he's got to hope is that in the meantime, that certainly the economy improves enough between now and the election, that the health service improves enough between now and the election. That people are willing to come back to the Labour Party because it's still only 27% in the polls, and that there is at least the beginning of the promise of the counterpoint to hope, which of course is fulfilment, that it will enable them to keep voters with him.

1:37:37So John, as the nation's leading Sephologist, has is it risk of losing the pension of vote with this triple lot policy? Well, I think the rail policy answer to you, Nick, is thought the Labour Party is not that dependent on the pension of vote. Older voters vote primarily for the Conservatives and for reform. Labour's problem recently has been the loss of younger voters to the Greens, something that they've begun to react. And in truth, one could argue that the fact that Labour are promising, frankly, to spend what will be more money on social care if his plans are fulfilled, then what would be saved on the triple lock, at least in the short term. It says it's quite remarkable that the Labour government, given the demography of its support, is willing to pay so much attention to that. I guess his argument will be, apart from the moral argument, and much of his argument is not couched in clear, a suffological calculation. It's couched in terms of what I believe. But I guess he's thinking that, you know, it's today's middle age, if I could have an offense, I have to deal with the problems that are created when an older parent has to deal with dementia, has to end with dementia, etc, etc.

1:38:46At the end of the day, I think this is, I mean, he's going to have to sell it, piling from you, go up to this morning, coming out very quickly, yes, they suggest maybe it's sellable. But one of the things he's basically taking on is he's accepting that in providing leadership, he's going to have to persuade, and he's going to have to persuade people of the merits of the arguments for what he's trying to do. Okay, and finally, the opposition are already saying, and all of their brothers true, he doesn't have a mandate. He wasn't even an MP when the last elections came through, he's been sort of parachuted in. How much of an obstacle is that going to be, or can he bat that away, Sir John? Well, I think the honest truth is, I mean, one of my feelings about the speech yesterday is that indeed it is because he's not been an MP for 10 years and has been parachuted in that he has been able to adopt the tone and the relatively bold stance that he has taken. This is somebody who's wanted to be prime minister in need of his party for years, he's finally got there, he's not been part of the Westminster bubble, he hasn't been trying to work out how to win a general election.

1:39:51This is somebody he finds himself in office, he has beliefs, and he's frankly sounds like somebody who's decided to go for it. Yes, of course, the opposition will claim he doesn't have a mandate, but the truth is the majority of post-war prime ministers have first come into office as a result of a change of leadership, not because of a general election. And in most of those instances they have not subsequently gone to the country. The truth is we always have this argument about changes of prime ministers doing little parliament, but it always somewhat ignores the realities of constitutional history. Always enjoy time together, thanks as ever, John. Sir John Curtis, political scientist and professor of politics at the University of Strathclyde, gosh, you're a lucky student if you studied under him, wouldn't you? All right, coming in, Kerry and Bill, your story is about what does hope mean to you? Plus in the field of housing, new housing, so to say, Angela Rainer has speech yesterday. Unlicensed and unregulated agents are taking thousands from their clients with no transparency or accountability.

1:40:52And back to the prime minister on a personal note, his father died two weeks ago, he's not even buried him, he's speaking yesterday. The United Kingdom, my dad represented as the one I believe in, a union of nations. How did he pull out the fumer's on Friday? He did really well to get that across to me. Nick Ferrarian Breakfast, on LBC, call 03456060973. Hope again, but what does it mean to you? Kerry and Shetland, what's it mean to you, Kerry? Hello? Good morning, Nick. Thanks for having me on. Not at all. At my age, I haven't got a lot of hope, but to be honest, 878. But hope is an emotional state focused on a positive future outcome. If a government was going to stay in power for so many years, it wouldn't be a problem. But governments change, people change, and this country has got a long way to go before we can actually hope. Now, just give you one example, if I might.

1:41:53Please. I'm going to try to go into the trip. We go into the triple lock, which means simply as a pension, I mean the hell of a lot. I paid 768 pounds in income taxes here, and I'm not happy about that. I'm on a minimum income as well. But for instance, in Scotland, we get free personal care, free nursing care. In Wales, they get a weekly cap on non-residential home care. In England, they don't ever need a back. But he wants to cut out the triple lock, which means that people in Scotland and Wales are going to have to benefit the people in England and all that are lose the triple lock. That is not hope. That is despair. You will of course continue. It's just it won't, or I certainly won't be linked to inflation. That will be the thing that will change. That is correct. He's stopping your... I have to say, he's not freezing your pension. He's not stopping your pension either. No, I realise that. But we're having to dispel with the dispense with the triple lock, which is the expense of people in England in England, getting free accommodation and free personal care for the elderly. So we're paying the price of that in Scotland and Wales. I'm sorry. That's not hope.

1:42:53Lastly then, if I were to ask you, there is no metric. There's no measure for this, Kerry. But you weren't left particularly hopeful after the hour plus hour, and I think it was eight minutes, even from the Prime Minister. I don't think so, because he reminds me of Kirstaama with a northern accent, with a personality. Kirstaama with a personality in an northern accent. Kerry, thank you. An hour and six minutes. Sorry, that's how long the Prime Minister is talking. Bill's in Croydon. What does hope mean to you this morning? Good morning. Nicky doesn't mean a lot to me. Every year, I hope my football team will win the Premier League. Unfortunately, without me giving them £500 million, it's not going to happen. No, that's right. But tell us me, he wants everybody to wake up in the morning, believing in hope, because this government has got no players to change things, all the things. I have to say, I don't agree with all of this, but I mean, the National Care Services has changed rebuilding of council houses is a change that's an indeed possible, a led for reform. They're all changes, aren't they? Bill, do you think? Well, you say that, Nick. What about you, you?

1:43:55Do you use changing, Nick? In a year's time, that might be a different place to what it is at the moment. You know, it initially, you've got a centre-right pie, running it now. Germany goes to the polls in January next year. AST. AST. Do it very well in a tip to take over in Germany. In April next year, friars go to the polls. Marie Le Pen is on favourites to clear up there. So the EU might be a totally different place to what it is now, Nick. And also, I'd like to mention the triple-lock, Nick. Because, initially, the triple-lock was worth 2.9% to pensioners, very nice, not complaining like that. But people sitting on their backside, Nick, doing nothing, not paying tax, not paying national insurance, got a 6% increase. How about that? And there wasn't a lot of conversation yesterday about defence or about welfare reform. Bill, you're right to pick up those figures you can't query them. Bill, thank you, look, what is your team, by the way?

1:44:55Crystal Palace. Of course it is, Nick. The Eagles will fly high. I don't think they'll quite match the foxes who once won the Premier League, but down the Division 3. But look after yourself. Thanks a really well-points-well-made, and I'm grateful for your time. We are coming to the end of our conference coverage in a sense. But one else, the other person who was there, of course, was Angela Return, Angela Reiner, returning to the Labour Conference. The housing secretary told delegates she had unfinished business after her fall and grace over that row concerning stamp duty. She also said Labour must be more radical and under-and-earnum. Mr Burnham said authorities would be allowed to take over poor quality rental properties if absentee landlords refused to improve them. And this intervention came after Ms Reiner, outlawed plan select council's used domestic properties that had laid empty for six months or more. Critics are saying it's a land grab. Nye Jones, head of campaigns at Generation Rent, joins me now to discuss. Well, this is either policies to obviously free up housing for those in need, or it is, as I'll say, a land grab. How do you see it? Good morning.

1:45:57Morning, Nick. Where we see it is, you know, homes and the foundations of our lives. And there's obviously two different policies here, but in terms of landlords renting out poor quality homes, we really feel that homes shouldn't harm people's health. But at the moment, more than the fifth of private rented homes, four below minimum standards, and over three and a half million renters are living with damp and mould in England. So when landlords don't listen to warnings, I think it's right that councils should have the power to make sure homes provide the foundation families need as a prime minister announced yesterday. And I think this is both these policy about seeing homes as somewhat a living and for families to put down foundations rather than investments that people can sit on. No, there's no regulation. You give me a figure of under 20%. That allows people to let out houses that have got mould or damp or whatever it might be. We don't have regulations in place now. So the statistic I cited was the decent home standard. So the renters write that will bring the decent home standard into the private rented sector.

1:47:00But I'm not a landlord. I'm not a landlord. I say again, but I can't let a house if I if there's damp or rot or mould. Can I assure you I'm going to get done? At the moment, you absolutely can. Many because renters simply don't have options and especially for renters on low incomes, it's often a choice between living in a really, really poor quality home with issues like severe damp or mould or sleeping on the streets because the private rental market is just so unaffordable for renters. And what we've seen is councils have been very stressed and then therefore have been very poor and forcing existing standards. So what I hope from the Prime Minister's speech yesterday is we'll see some more funding for councils and their ability to hold landlords to account whether renting out homes or harming people's health. Ultimately, I assume generation rents goal is to get as many focus they can out of rental and into hopefully buying their own property. How close do you think what Mr Burnham, so what Ms. Rainer said, gets to that goal, Nigh?

1:48:04I think we're a long way off that. I think our goal overall is to make renting a secure and good quality as possible. We also saw announcements yesterday about kind of new ways for people to buy their first home with an equity loan, etc. But the problem for renters is the huge cost of renting is what traps them in renting. Private renters spend over 36% of their income on average of renters and that raises up to well over 40% in major cities. So what we need is further intervention on the cost of rent to help bring down renters and give people the opportunity to save and plan for the future. Muscley, grateful for your time. Thanks, Nigh. Nigh Jones, your head of campaigns at Generation Rent. Let's pick up that conversation with Guy and Sothek Guy. And Ann Lord, are you renting what's short, if you don't mind, asking what's your position? Good morning. Good morning, Max. So I'm in landlord and I want to speak in the context of hope about you. I'm in landlord's way. Okay, go ahead. Any minute.

1:49:04Yeah, go ahead. You want to talk about hope as well as being in landlord. Tell me what you took from yesterday. That actually have no hope. I'm expecting to have in the next year or so. I'm in landlord that both under they helped to buy skin. Like many others, we were promised a brand new flat in development. We put our best money up front. Some of us had the minimum 5% some of us had a little bit more. And surprise, surprise instead of buying a more, let's say, an old property that can provide more yield. We caught ourselves in a situation where we can't get released from a service charge company. All the management companies and the lease hold kind of a framework that is existing in the UK is just not built for schemes like the new one that Andy Burner and Angela is trying to promote. There was a big topic of moving from lease hold to common hold. Yeah. Last year and behold, there's quite. It's got pushed to the second and third world.

1:50:04We are in a situation where we're paying from a free bedroom flat in all west London that worth less than 500K today. By the way, it lost over 100K of value in just the past two, three years because the social is so high. We're paying 600 pounds a month, Nick. And we try to move away from our management companies and the regulation is just not there. We have majority of the lease holders signatures. We have everything that you might need. We had lawyers working on it. And there's just no foundation alone to support lease holders to control who managers the property. And then we can sell our property. So it's all words effective you heard yesterday guy to sum up briefly. Yes. It's just words is what you say. Thank you, Joe. You're going to be talking about property and I want to hear as well. We're also of course asking hope again or hope I think Henry Riley said 11 or 12 times he heard that from the prime minister. But what does hope mean to you and are you more hopeful? Less hopeful or exactly where you were before that speech. And of course the most emotional part of the speech was when he talked about his dad who I remind you.

1:51:09He died two weeks ago and the prime minister told me looking down from above. What would dad have made of Harry Boy did or that's a hard question. I struggle the little and that's very funeral is on Friday. And it's so sorry. Funeral is on Friday. When you know that which no one knew until he told me we'll go back to when he I think it's fed us in nearly lost it. I think it's quite incredibly got it back on track. We'll play you that clip as it's called as well. Let's pick up on that conversation about property a land grab is what some critics are saying others are so. Of course, freeing up probably no one's currently using Joseph once with Joe. You're on the radio. Your point. Good morning. Good morning. I hope that all of this legislation and this so called land grab also includes councils and housing associations who in the may are the bigger landlords in the country and very often.

1:52:10Next property fall into the most calling. Disrepair. I mean the reason why that mold and damp. Law is it our web floor they called it. I think it is after the little one that was a housing association property. I was. It's not. It's not one of many many many many many examples. I know somebody who lives in a flat in North London. I won't mention the council. I'm not going to mention the council. I'm not going to mention the council. And her property is freezing in the winter and absolutely baking in the summer. The plumbing is all shot and people that are drug addict regularly come into the common parts of the block and use it as a toilet. Nobody does anything. What's a good point. I forgot about I have a law. A. To be honest. That is making your own people comfortable. There is a了吧. There's over 40 or less of everyone knows by free which is. And there are many many many manylaw maybe you should that's the filming you should be having because they always think you want to lay this.

1:53:17The need to be granted leave. In the name. Government Cossettes of governments have failed to build in a housing for the people that have already here. And the people that they let come into the country. and housing associations are by far, do you think it's providers of housing? Did you hear that clicking sound? No. That was a light bulb going on in my head. You have put it in that I won't forget. The next time I discuss it, whether it's with government ministers, local authority, council housing, whatever it might be, council housing executives, I will remember that idea. That's a really important point you made, Joe. Grateful to you. Thank you. Have yourself a good day. You too. Thanks, Joe. Rob, spoke to you about property in a moment. But sitting watching with my colleague, the speech yesterday by Andy Burnham, we are committing, obviously, our courage. We noticed how Andy Burnham did fight back tears while, absolutely, understandably, speaking about his father, he just lost two weeks ago his father, Roy. The United Kingdom, my dad represented

1:54:19as the one I believe in, a union of nations that gave trade unions and the cooperative movement to the world, the national health service, a country that stood up to fascism, a country of solidarity, not separation, that's the prison that my dad represented. Now, if you're watching, and there's no reason that you should, that's my job, if you're watching, that rally came after he almost lost it, and there was a very lengthy pause, and understanding that this is in no way, please don't think this has been critical. You have to go and get a sip of water from the podium. So as I closed my interview with Prime Minister Andy Burnham, obviously, after the speech, I asked him this. Looking down from above, what would dad have made of Harry Boyd did? Or, that's a hard question. I struggled a little, and that's just funeral is on Friday, and it's so, so, so. Thank you, now I appreciate that.

1:55:19I would not have walked a similar path, it's not easy. I wasn't doing it to seek sympathy, because I had a choice to make with the speech. Do I just compartmentalise all of that away? Or do I talk about him? He was a son of this city. Indeed. You know, a very proud one, and he brought us up a certain way. And in the end, I know that it was right to talk about him, and particularly in the context of the statement from the First Minister that I might be the last Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. I didn't quote that to criticise him. No, you said he'd come on that point. And it just gave me that theme that I wanted to talk about, about the patriotism, the quiet patriotism that my dad had, the Britain that he believed in, and the Britain that was of trade unions, a union of countries, a country that fought fascism in the last century, he instilled in us all of that history, and that idea that people do more when they work together. And it just gave me that moment to say, that is me, that's the Britain I believe in, it's the Britain I will fight for, and that's what I will carry on doing as Prime Minister.

1:56:20And you can watch my full interview with Andy Bernmour on the LBC app, or the LBC YouTube channel, all the aspects that we've covered. But let's talk about carers and caring, and again, what we heard from the Prime Minister. And as regard carers, he said to the job that they had done for his dad, he said, I see you and I hear you. If you're in the caring industry, if you're a carer, did that resonate? Jackie, Jackie Hilton is a full-time, unpaid carer for her mum, and joins me now. Again, you probably won't watch it, because you didn't need to. I was watching it for you, but when you hear that message, does that resonate? Does it give you hope, Jackie? Good morning. OK, good morning. I actually did watch it, and it's quite interesting to what you say, because I heard him apologize to the NHS staff. I heard him apologize to the paid care workers, but I did not hear him say any apology to the unpaid care workers.

1:57:22Oh, look after their parents, friends, relatives. And I didn't hear any apology for social workers either. So as regards, do you mind my asking, you're caring for mum now, are you? Yes. How long have you been doing that? OK, so I'll just step back a little bit. I am a qualified midwife. I've worked in the NHS for over 30 years. I've been now caring for my mum for, it'll be two years in October. When you gave up work, did you say? Yes, I gave up work just to care for my mum. What was it you were doing? I was a midwife. How tough a decision was it? It was an extremely tough, because I love my job. It's a career that I'm proud of, and it was hard for me to start, but however, it would have been harder for me not looking after my mum.

1:58:23Yeah, of course. So what should the prime, and you make a very good point, the apologies, and we're listening to carers and the only, what should you have said about folks such as you, Jackie? Well, it would have been nice for him to give us some insight of what he thought we would get in the future. Is he going to help with respite without a system will crash? But there was nothing said in relation to us at all. So it was my disappointment. I mean, do you qualify for carers allowance to you? Yes, I qualify to get carers allowance, so I get 86 pounds 45 a week. Okay, I don't mean financially, what more should he, and I don't mean financially, what more did you want to hear? Okay, so for example, respite care. I'll just put you back into my scenario, Sarah. If I wanted to go back to work, I would need someone decent to look after my parent,

1:59:24my mum, to look after mum, of course you would. Yeah, yeah. Now midwifery, if I'm going back to midwifery, is a 24-7 occupation. So I would need facilities to be able to look after her during those hours. But that's not just the 9 to 4 as the day centre. She attends accommodates. That's asking for like almost 24-7 cover yet. That's not never going to be possible, is it? No, I'm not saying that would be co-operated, but they could extend it. So if day centres were open till 7pm or 6pm, it's different from closing. I had to pick my mum up at 3.30, 3 o'clock, sorry. Right, right. And it starts at 9. So no shift, maternity shift, apart from if you're doing a clinic, would accommodate those hours. Finally, hope again, or hope was the main theme. I sense it didn't give you a lot of hope

2:00:25as regards you and your mum. I'm encouraged by what you said, because I'm not convinced that it will be able to be happening. Best wishes to mum, obviously, and Jackie. Jackie Hilton, thanks for all your time going through the stories. Hope you have a good one with mum today. I haven't done enough of the emails in text, so let's put that right. Aiden says, I spoke to my mum, who's 71 this morning, and she cried about Endless Speech. She said it reminded her of principles and politics and when she was younger, ideas she thought were dead. For me, I think the bar has been so low lately, it felt like a real moment and a starting point of something big. Similar theme here, this comes in from, oh no, you haven't signed it, do please, I'm not signed it, that's Hillary has. Regardless of the content of Burnham's Speech, his presentation was brilliant, especially after Stammer. Can you confirm he didn't use an auto cue though? It looked very natural. I think there might have been some prompts around there. Whether there's full script, I honestly don't know, but if you notice, he looked down occasionally, but an hour and six was it?

2:01:25Yeah, an hour and six minutes. You're going to have to have some prompts even if it's just a paragraph headings. Other subjects we covered, the growth of Heathrow Airport, Craig says, I'm a taxi driver, I've just dropped off at Heathrow, and the infrastructure to get to him from the airport is gridlocked. Another runway would make it worse. I need to say that they would, by the way, build more roads. But I'll go on. Craig says, the London mayor has closed down on narrowed most of the roads, made it harder within central London to get around. London has been turned into a tourist destination. It is hard to work, isn't it? On the subject of the triple lock Graham Firth says, I don't agree with changing the triple lock to a double lock, unless and until the new social care scheme is actually implemented and fully available. And I do like this one from Mike and Crawley, regarding the idea of warm beer and pubs and a labrador. Mike says, I like a nice pub and a warm beer, but I prefer it German, Shepherd. Does that make me ultra right wing? That is quite funny. That is clever. Let's talk properly Robin Maidstone. Robin Maidstone. Rob, a land grab is what Sam is saying. Good morning.

2:02:25Good morning Nick. I'm a little bit confused. I'm permanently confused. Yeah, because all she actually spoke about was building on policies that have all been put into legislation by Tory government. Well, there are nothing else for the no-pounding. For the town in country planning act, the regeneration act in 2023, they're the ones who put all those things in place. So I'm a bit confused when they say that there is a labrador. And that's a land grab. But where are the houses? Why have they not materialised? Well, partially because there was no funding for councils to go through the legal processes, which was part of what they wanted to sort out. And you know how Michael Gove was striving to try and sort out the lethal problem? Yes, I think. And you have to be on the book for a long, long time. And I was interested, that lady who's found just now, and said about housing associations in council. That was a close try. And the reason I know this Nick is I've spent this year training and by staff around housing associations. Right. And since they waived law, the regulator had been coming down on council to housing associations.

2:03:25I've had a ton of bricks. So if you know, make complaints, they are six much quicker. And yes, there are still problems in the system. But they are being held to a much higher standard than private land law go. Good point, you make rock. I've got to get headlines. I'll go to carry on chatting with you. Look after yourself, talk again soon. Andy says, why is everyone kicking off now about Andy Burnham? Just wait and scrutinise his budget. Well, he'll also rise the budget. The idea of working class aspirations, Simon and Hertfordshire, we're not a working class aspiration nation. We're a nation of people whose aspirations are claiming benefits and pips. And at 57, I've had enough of paying for these people. I'm retiring and I'm leaving the country. Also, I care about Starmel, Burnham's fathers or families. But I suppose that makes me far right. I don't think that does. I think you have to have a lab with all two of us. Nick Ferrari and breakfast on LBC. Call 0345-6060-973. As we begin to close down our coverage of that speech at the Labour Party Conference, although I'm sure some of my colleagues will take an answer to the course of the day,

2:04:26quite rightly here on LBC. Let's come back to the main thing, exceptional theme that jumped out at you. Almost the minute. Well, certainly the minute you got to the conference hotel, not quite when you got off the train, which is hope again. Well, let's stick with the first part of that. Hope. What hope did you take from yesterday's 1 hour and 6 minutes? Louise is in shots. Well, Louise, tell me. Good morning. Good morning, Nick. Thank you for taking my call. Just at the point I've been speaking to your colleague about it, is the fact that at least I was able to vote the speech from start to finish. Do you normally... And I don't blame you. Do you normally tune out? No, well, I normally say, like, if it was... And forgive me for saying this, but if it was Kear Starmer given the speech, I would have died of boredom within 60 seconds and turned off. So the fact that I actually stuck with it from start to finish, and if someone who's not, you could probably describe as not an actual labour supporter. Okay. You know, I'm guessing that they might take that as a win. Yeah, no, they will.

2:05:26He can speak. He's in touch with the common man or woman, isn't he? He's got it. Whatever it is, he's got it. Well, he's got something different, which I think is the blame. So put it this way, politics is usually wasn't working. And he's kind of broken, or at least he's trying to break the cycle of that. You know, I'm saying, I'm standing here just now, like, with one eyebrow raised, because I don't know if it's going to work. I'm Roger Moore. He was always raising one eyebrow. Exactly. But, like your previous contributors say that really, I'm kind of holding out, because the speech is one thing, or words are one thing, actions are another. Absolutely. So let's see what the budget brings next month. Hope is not a strategy. That was the one, well, no, there are many criticisms. But ultimately, if you asked me to sum it up, and we're all about snappy words now, hope again, hope is not a strategy. It won't butter the parsnips. That's the reality, Louise. It won't butter the parsnips.

2:06:28But I think we need to do something to break this end with a cycle of doom and gloom, because if there's no hope on the horizon, then understandably, people will give up. They'll be the Jake, because they'll be like, well, what's the point? Let me ask you this finally. And there's no reason for you to answer this question, because I'm being nosy. Could you ever see yourself voting for Labour under Andrew? You know, ultimately, it all comes down to what happens in the budget. Now, if I can just make reference to the past two budgets, you know, for the government that came in, promising to not put tack to them working people, the previous chance for raised taxes, I think, by about £60 billion per year. And then claims to have stabilized the economy, being able to still borrow £18 billion in August. What, where's the money going? Let that eyebrow come back to its natural resting position. Louise, enjoy speaking with you. Thanks for hanging on the line. I really loved your input on all of that.

2:07:29Nigel's in Temple Fortune. What hope do you have, Nigel, if you watched or you picked up on the highlights of it? Good morning. Well, I hope they'll go away. But I want... Go on. Why? You can mudge in the old sow and sow. What's the matter with you? It's filled everyone's hearts with hope. Well, I really... He's really going to galvanise the nation of giving everyone a £2.000 bus there, isn't he? I think to me, the thing that he hasn't discussed. He didn't discuss crime. He didn't discuss the legal. Oh, he did. That's a good point. I think to read, I said. Yep, gone. He didn't discuss illegal immigration. He did reference Shabbana Mahmoud instead of the great job she's doing. He didn't say illegal immigration. I don't even think so. He didn't... He's now going to alienate all the old age pensions in this country. But over the triple stroke double law. Not his voters as much as the Conquerters pointed out. Well, they're... They're going to vote for him in the future, are they? And when he said he wants to give people a better stand of living and a more in their pocket. Raising fuel to his, he's not really going to help because he's going to affect businesses.

2:08:30It's going to affect you and me. Everyone who drives the most of the car or relies on deliveries and services. And I think the other thing for me as well, which is really important, is this. I don't think whether it's labour or whether it's Tory. They don't understand business to galvanise the country. Governments don't make business. Businesses strike business. I want to answer a rain that talks about council houses. What about the 1.5 million homeless that haven't built? But people work in those businesses. And a lot of people would say that was a speech and possibly, if you will, a manifesto for the working people. It's what others would say, Nigel. And they're the ones... You're right. Governments taxing doesn't be a business. But those people have to work and that's where businesses grow. No, I see a point of view. But if businesses are going to have a more explicit cost-based, I fueled you to going up. Business rates not coming down. And their cost of energy is not really going to fund or develop the interest of business to grow.

2:09:31And why would you be a foreign investor coming here to start a huge business if you've got huge costs? No, you wouldn't, unfortunately. And for that, you just have to look at what they call the bond markets or the guilds and the yields. Of course. And that... And they didn't really respond. One of my colleagues was keeping watch on that as part of our coverage and they ran it to a degree. But it wasn't like... By the way, they didn't fall off a cliff either. They just pretty much stay flat. Nigel, thank you. One of the reasons, of course, could be this national care service. Nick in Wabrich says, this is madness. Social care. It'll be another money pit like the NHS has become. Means tested. So that Ethel with the £800,000 home will have to pay. The long game is just another huge welfare pit that a long clock Britain will end up paying for. A lot of it, so that... This is another point here. This comes in from where you'll know. You do remember, so you know, who we are. John says, all I hope is that Andy Burnham clears off as soon as possible. I changed one of the words to that message. Martin's in Barnesley. Martin, we're going to talk about property with you. And we heard from Angela Rainer. And indeed, the Prime Minister, you're take on that.

2:10:31Good morning to you. Well, number one is a landlord. I've got two properties, Nick. And bother there, my pension. Yeah. So next year, the government has decided that it's 65 pounds per property per year. I think that works out roughly at £380 million. Right. I was at by, and if you don't go by inflation, that's roughly £3.8 billion. All of the things come actually pay that fee. What do you see as the reality here, then, Martin? The reality is I work in construction on the building side and working on. The farm in his 45th. The joiner is 51. I'm the electrician. Oh, 54. The two ground workers will drive the drum pistols. Vast experience. He's 66 and he's made 67. So are you going to build these 1.5 billion arms? Because it's becoming in construction, and it's a bit like Dad's army. We're all past the cell by day. Why? We've got million and 50,000 kids not in education employment or training. Why don't they go and learn to be a carpenter or a bricklayer?

2:11:31I mean, this is a skill deal. You're never going to have AI bricklaying. Well, I shouldn't say I doubt you'll have AI. I'm not going to say that, but the issue is this guy that's going to see it when the fire is cold. They've got all the qualifications. But when it comes to picking a sawdust by the hammered up, they cannot do it because they'll never talk to woodwork or that. And it's these backwards. Well, what we're about pension, we keep on about pensions, don't we? I'll give some quick figures. If you can. The nurse gets 24% public sector pensioner, T to get 30%. But nobody wants to talk about that. You just did. And I have to make it the last word, of course. Martin, I'm grateful. Thank you. You've had your say here on LBC. Well, I'm almost done for another day. Just to tell you that James O'Brien is waiting the other side of the news here on LBC. And I'll be back with you tomorrow morning from 7th May. Stay safe. This has been a global production.