Serial Killer Documentary - John Wayne Gacy： A Real Life Nightmare

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2:04that they dug, they found human remains. The man they had in custody, 36-year-old John Wayne Gacy was a popular socialite who spent his weekends dressed as a clown entertaining children. At one point, chillingly, he says to the detectives, you know clowns can get away with murder. Well, never was a true word said. In total, Gacy the killer clown had tortured and killed 33 young men over a five-year period. 27 of the bodies were buried right beneath his own home. Using other human beings, you know, inflicting pain and suffering and torture on another helpless human being, to me is the essence of evil. The remorseless John Wayne Gacy had proved himself to be one of the world's most evil killers.

3:05Over the course of six years, John Wayne Gacy kidnapped, tortured and brutally murdered 33 young men and boys in and around Chicago, Illinois. It was one of the most shocking sets of crimes in American history. The bodies of 27 of Gacy's victims were buried directly below the house he lived in. But this killer story starts almost 40 years before. John Wayne Gacy was born in Chicago, Illinois on the 17th of March 1942. The second of three children, Gacy had a difficult upbringing. His father was an alcoholic who was reportedly both mentally and physically abusive to his

4:10children and their mother. His father spent apparently all of Gacy's childhood demeaning him and physically punishing him and telling him how stupid and worthless and effeminate he was. His childhood friend Barry Bacheli remembers the physical abuse he suffered at the hands of his father. If Johnny was two minutes late, no food. So that's Johnny ate at our house and stayed at our house overnight. He used to take Johnny when he was sitting at the kitchen table and he would take his fist and hit Johnny in the face. Your father is a very significant figure in the genesis of Gacy's terrible deeds. To my mind Gacy was always trying to satisfy his father, whom he never could. He was beaten repeatedly by his father with belts with brooms at one stage he was knocked

5:13out by him. These people grow up with such a malignant view of the world and of human relationships and feeling that human relationships are not based on love and trust and respect. You know, if they're all based on exploitation and cruelty and inflicting pain. Gacy was a sickly child. He suffered from a heart condition limiting his involvement in sports activities and consequently alienating him from his peers. H. 11, an accident in a playground led to his teenage years being blighted by blackouts and hospital visits. At that time, the swings were wooden-based swings. What heavy chains coming down. Johnny went to grab it and the swing clipped and right across the forehead and knocked him to the ground. By 1966, 24-year-old Gacy was married and had relocated to the city of Waterloo, 300 miles west of Chicago in the neighboring state of Iowa.

6:17Well, Gacy got married and life from the outside appeared to be relatively normal. He had quite a good job. His wife had two children. So they appeared to be the typical serial box American nuclear family. When Gacy wasn't just a regular family man, he was also quite active in the local chamber of commerce and he played quite an active role. He was a real figure in the local community. Gacy had started to build the perfect life for himself, but he was concealing a dark secret. He developed an unhealthy sexual interest in young boys. There was a son of a fellow Gacy member who he lew back to his home and he sexually assaulted. So he's abusing power. He's getting into these positions of trust and he's taking advantage and that's a theme that's going to continue for him. And then when the kid revealed this to his father and Gacy was arrested for it, Gacy hired

7:19another teenager to intimidate this kid, to lure this kid into some remote place and spray mason as eyes and beat him up and warrant him against testifying in Gacy's case. Despite Gacy's efforts, his victim still testified, but there wasn't conclusive proof of an attack. Therefore, police were only able to charge him with sodomy of the 15-year-old boy. He pleaded guilty to one count of sodomy thinking he would get a very, very minimal sentence about the judge through the book at him and he was sentenced to 10 years in prison. On the 3rd of December 1968, Gacy was sent to Anamosa State Penitentiary. Whilst in jail, Gacy's wife divorced him. A further blow was dealt when his father died and he was denied permission to attend the funeral. Given the perfect nature of Gacy's ability to groom whom every came into contact with,

8:22within a matter of months, Gacy had become head cook at the prison, had convinced the staff that he was an absolutely ideal person. What's more than convinced the parole board that he was no danger to anybody and so served barely 18 months of the 10 years of his original sentence. In June 1917, now age 28, John Wayne Gacy was released from prison and returned home to Chicago. His friends, family and neighbors were entirely unaware of what had taken place while he'd been living over 300 miles away in Iowa. His background was not looked into in any way, I think, partly because he didn't go into any line of work in which any kind of background check would have been necessary. You know, he began his own business. I mean, none of his acquaintance was even remotely aware of his criminal background.

9:25In June 1972, Gacy got married for a second time and he and his new bride set up home in the Chicago suburbs at 82-13 West Somadale Avenue. A house that would eventually become one of the most infamous addresses in America. I like things my way, my coffee, my schedule and my treatment. So I talked to my doctor about self-injecting with the VivGuard Hydrilo-Prefilled Surrench, which contains F-Guardiga Manalpha and Hyaluronides QVFC. It's injected under your skin subcutaneously. It means I can inject in my space on my time. It's my treatment my way. Did VivGuardMyWay.com? That's v-y-v-g-a-r-t-myway.com and talk to your doctor about VivGuard Hydrilo brought to you by Argenics. Hey guys, this is Joe, it's Nick and Kevin Jonas from Hey Jonas, sponsored by Edible Arrangements, which by the way is our go-to for birthdays, especially when someone totally

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11:3115-year-old Des Plains resident Rob Peast was reported missing by his mother. Detective Mike Olbrecht and Dave Hackmeister began to investigate the teen's disappearance. Rob Peast was like a stellar kid. I mean, he was the kind of kid that anyone would want as a son. Never been in trouble. Never had any inclination to run away. He was a good student. Very, very much out of character. He would turn up missing. So that caught her attention, obviously. At that time in the late 70s, there was a lot of stuff going on with hippie, all that kind of stuff. But he made a determination very quickly that this was not a normal, quote unquote, runaway. Did having to girlfriend problems was not involved in drugs or anything like that. It was just an all-American good kid. At the time of his disappearance, Peast was working at a pharmacy in Des Plains. So he had told an employee and actually his mother that he was going to go talk to a contractor about a job.

12:34And he then went out the back door and he wasn't seen any time thereafter. Rob Peast seemed to have just vanished off the face of the earth. The two detectives desperately needed to track down the contractor who was probably the last person to see him. Their search would lead them to the door of a 36-year-old man by the name of John Wayne Gacy. He divorced his second wife two years previously and was now running a successful business called PDM Contractors. Gacy would often employ young men, one of whom was Tony Antonucci. At the time when I met him, I was about 16 years old. And of course, like a lot of 16-year-olds, I wanted to get a job so I could afford to have my car. My first impressions were that he was basically a likable guy, kind of jovial, like to joke around. You know, appeared very normal. Gacy seemed in many ways like the perfect boss.

13:36Sometimes at three o'clock in the afternoon, you know, John would say, hey, it's a nice day out. Let's knock off early and, you know, have some fun or do something. And all normal stuff, you know, just kind of like you didn't expect to, you know, your boss to, you know, be the one that wanted to knock off early. Another young man who'd come looking for a job was 15-year-old Rob Peast, but he hadn't been seen since meeting with Gacy at the pharmacy where he worked. Detectives, Dave Hackmeister and Mike Olbrecht were investigating. We ran a records check on him and as it turns out, he had a fairly lengthy background. He had spent some time in Iowa for saturday. And so it was sexual crimes basically against children. Concerned by Gacy's criminal record, the police obtained a warrant to search his home. The warrant consisted of three facts.

14:37The first fact is that John Wayne Gacy in fact was at the pharmacy. The night Rob Peast went missing. And fact two that Rob Peast had told people that he was going to see a contractor regarding a job. And fact three is criminal background. So on those three facts, they were able to obtain a search warrant. On the 13th of December 1978, police conducted their first search of Gacy's home, finding a number of suspicious items. They recovered various items of pornography. They recovered some books that were titled Pretty Boys Must Die. They also recovered driver's licenses of other young people. When they did a check on those driver's licenses, it was determined that those kids were also reported missing. Initially, we're hoping to find Rob Peast alive someplace. And it didn't take long to realize that probably was not going to happen. Another item recovered was a high school ring which had belonged to missing 19-year-old John

15:43Shek last seen in January 1977. Further investigation discovered that two of Gacy's employees had been reported missing. 17-year-old John Bootkovich last seen in July 1975. And Gregory Godzick, also 17 years old, missing since December 1976. It was an evolution as we went along. I think it was after that search warrant. We're pretty confident there is at least five or six victims that were associated with Gacy that haven't been seen. But with no evidence or bodies, the police could not make an arrest. They decided to begin surveillance on Gacy. We just said, where were you going? If Gacy went into a public place, we were going to follow him and see what he was up to. Throughout this overt surveillance, we became fairly friendly with John Wayne Gacy. He knew we were following him. He tried to be cordial with us. In fact, he initiated conversations

16:47with us. He played games with the police. He grew up to their car and say, hi, do you guys want some marijuana? Or do something stupid like that? He goes in a mousse lodge and Mike and I, my partner and I, he said, we're going to go in right along with Gacy, but we'll sit at a different table. Paul, the sudden the waitress comes over with a couple of beers and places a beer's in front of us and says it's on that gentleman over there. We look over at John and John gives us the high sign and we wave back. Very confident, cocky. Kept on bragging about all property and how much of a business money was and how well connected he was. John Wayne Gacy had a psychopathic personality. So he really does seek out power and he seeks that control and he likes playing with people. He's a bit of a puppet master and I think that was driving his behaviour. Everyone that we talk to just loved John Wayne Gacy, his neighbours, his co-workers, all of his associates, they loved the

17:47guy and we could see that. I mean the way he was interacting with us was basically the same and my partner and I would have to many occasions remind one another, hey listen, you know, this guy is dangerous. Gacy was considered an upstanding key member of his small community. He was popular and involved in politics. At weekends he would even dress as a clown and perform for children at parties and at local hospitals. The fact that Gacy, have this other person as Pogo the clown, professional clowns usually, you know, will paint their smiles, you know, with sort of gentle circular things around their lips. Gacy's smile looks like bat wings. There's just something horrifically sinister and monstrous about this figure of Pogo. Just an element that raises Gacy to the level of a kind of mythic American monster.

18:48At one point, chillingly, he says that the detectives, you know, clowns can get away with murder. Well, never was a true word said. But it took some time for those detectives to fully comprehend that he was a man who was capable of murder and more than one. As Mike and Dave continued with their surveillance, detectives back at the station were trying to get another warrant to search Gacy's house. They'd received some disturbing new evidence while questioning his colleagues. They're young kids, you know, 17, 18, 19 years old. And at times, Gacy had ordered these young kids to go down into his crawl space of his home and dig trenches. And he had told them that there was a sewage issue and that he needed the trenches dug so he could alleviate that situation. But they said that it happened several times and that there was an odor down there that was just unbelievable. So now we're starting to believe he is a possible,

19:51I know it sounds crazy, but is it possible he could have buried someone in a crawl space. He gets other people unwittingly involved in his offending and they don't know anything of what's going on. And I think that's what gets him gratification, the fact that he has such power over the people that they're not joining the dots together and that he's able to hide in plain sight. Mike and Dave continued to follow the popular contractor, but they had a plan to force Gacy's hand. We were on the surveillance for about seven days and as the surveillance progressed, what we found out was that he had this huge core support of friends and family and co-workers and the such and that that is really what was the barrier between us and Gacy. So we developed a plan for the investigators to put some pressure on all these people that were supporting him and slowly they started peeling back from Gacy and we were feeding Gacy information that there's possibly looking

20:58to execute a second search warrant. He became more and more desperate and the last day it was about midnight or one in the morning, he contacted his attorneys and met his attorneys in their office in Park Ridge. At that point Mike and I are outside and we see the attorneys waving us into the building. It was very uncharacteristic of the attorneys to do this. The first thing they were telling us though is the parking cars in front of Gacy's and don't let them on if he tries to move shoot his tires out. You know what's going on here. It was very obvious to us that the attorneys were absolutely scared to death, petrified, they're pacing up and down, they won't take their eyes off of Gacy and that pretty much solidified the fact to us that he had confessed to his attorneys about at least a couple of three murders. Dave and Mike knew that Gacy was beginning to buckle, they continued to trail him as he left his attorneys office. So we follow Gacy and Gacy is driving like a madman and he drives to the shell gas station where he

22:05did all of his business. He goes in and we see a transaction happen in the gas station. It was very emotional shaking his hand almost outside, hugging that kind of thing and this is a lot of context for Gacy. So when Gacy comes back out, jumps in his car and takes off, I go back in the gas station and when I go in there, they throw a couple of bags of marijuana at me, the employees and they say, hey listen, we didn't buy this, we didn't ask for it. Gacy just gave it to us. As Gacy's behavior grew more and more erratic, the two detectives at least now had a reason to apprehend him. We make a decision at their point to arrest him for the drug transaction that happened at the shell gas station. So we cut off the car, pull Gacy out of the car and arrest him for the drug transaction. The divine in Milwaukee, this was Gacy's final location of freedom. That's it. It was never free from this

23:08point on. Grabbed him out of the car, he was all whining to us, why are you doing this to me and all that and that's where it ended. So technically he was arrested for marijuana, possession and delivery. And then we took him to the station. While in custody, Gacy told detectives who is experiencing chest pains, I was taken to a local hospital as a precaution, but he was just trying to buy some more time. I like things my way, my coffee, my schedule and my treatment. So I talked to my doctor about self-injecting with the Vivgard-Hitrilo-Prefilled syringe, which contains F-Gartega Medalfa and Highly-Ronidase QVFC. It's injected under your skin subcutaneously. It means I can inject in my space on my time. It's my treatment my way. Visit Vivgardmyway.com. That's v-y-v-g-a-r-t-myway.com and talk to your doctor about Vivgard-Hitrilo, brought to you by Argenics. Hey guys, this is Joe, this is Nick and Kevin Jonas from Hey Jonas, sponsored by Edible

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25:15The police had obtained the second warrant they'd been so desperate for. On the 21st of December 1978, they searched Gases Home on West Somadale Avenue for the second time. When they executed that search warrant, they went in the crawl space and the very first shovel that they dug, they found human remains. Police had finally unearthed the secrets that Gasey had thought would stay buried forever. So they immediately called me, let me know that there was human remains in a crawl space and at that time I arrested Jack Gasey for murder. Gasey says he wants to confess, but really he wants to confess to the surveillance team, both myself and my partner and the other team. And now all of a sudden he's got an audience again and he's on top of the world. And he knows he can't get out of it at this point and so he might as well just divulge everything

26:17that actually happened. Gasey told detectives he was willing to draw a map of the burial site beneath his home. I gave him a pen and you start right off, he squirted off and a thing and he started well this was a double and this was a triple and this was the first guy with a but an ex-sonant went around the whole crawl space with these places where the body was buried. I mean they were digging with spoons and everything but they obviously identified where all the bodies were and they did an overlay of where the bodies were actually found compared to that diagram that he made and was unbelievable, right on the money. In total 27 bodies were discovered in Gasey's crawl space. It wouldn't take long for news of this horrific discovery to filter out to the wider world. Then the arrests came down and that was the headline on the local papers everywhere, how many bodies they took out of Gasey's basement. Well you know when Gasey's crimes

27:18were uncovered he entered into the record books you know as some Americans most prolific serial murder. The notion that this you know Pudgey normal seeming decent regular ordinary guy was living in this horror house you know that was just suffused with the stench of death and that they were throttling bodies of 27 young men in this crawl space bringing home and torturing young boys right in the midst you know of all his neighbors and then going off to work the next day. When we booked him for murder we asked Gasey where he was born and Gasey looked at us and said I was born in the state of confusion and he smiled like that and we captured the photo. In total Gasey confessed to the murder of 33 young men and boys between 1972 and 1978.

28:22Gasey prayed on victims who he knew were not necessarily going to be missed by any family members rootless and homeless teenage boys who had no families that were going to miss them or care about their disappearance. At that time in the late 70s kids were running away all the time and a lot of these kids were reported missing but there was no follow-up. As it turns out he had buried 27 young kids in the crawl space he buried one of the young kids outside in his backyard and he didn't have any room left on his property so he threw five remaining victims in the display's river. One of the bodies found floating in the desplanes river in April 1979 was that of Rob Peast. The 15-year-old boy whose disappearance had ultimately led to Gasey's downfall. He was very descriptive of what he had done with Rob Peast. Rob Peast's mom was waiting for him in the front parking lot and Rob said to his mom hey I'm

29:26going to talk to a contractor about a job I'll be right back. He goes back in the pharmacy. Gasey is in the back parking lot the alleyway and has Gasey's leaving Rob follows them outside and says excuse me sir I understand that you hire young kids and I'm really interested in having a different job and Gasey says well jump in a car I'll have you fill out an application. So Gasey actually drives Peast willingly to Gasey's house. While there Gasey starts showing Peast some some little tricks of the trade of being a clown he shows a couple of card tricks and the last trick that he shows Peast is the handcuff trick. Gasey actually handcuffs himself and turns around and struggles with the handcuffs and then turns back and he holds the handcuffs up and Peast is pretty amazed at that and he says that's neat how'd you do that. So Gasey says well here you handcuff yourself and I'll show you how to do that.

30:30So Peast handcuffs himself and he struggles and he struggles and he struggles and he looks at Gasey and he says now what's a trick to this and Gasey reaches in his packet and pulls out a key to the handcuffs and he says the trick is you got to have this key. This handcuff trick was part of an horrific yet clinical MO. Gasey throughout all of the 33 killings had developed a method of killing these young kids. He would pick up these victims. Some were kids who worked from him but most were teenage runaways you know and bring them back to his house and giving them drinks. He would sort of trick them into handcuffing themselves or being handcuffed. Gasey would use chloroform to subdue his victims, chloroforms, an old fashioned anesthetic really so it gets into your lungs and it just renders you unconscious very effectively. He did what he called a rope trick and when he had

31:35these young kids incapacitated like that he would slip a rope over their neck and not had rope like a loop and then put the stick in the back like a turniket and he would slowly turn the turniket and he said he had it perfected so well that he knew exactly how the body would react to each half turn. Putting a ligature around the neck the first thing it's going to block is the blood vessels so it prevents blood getting to the brain, prevents it getting back to the body from the brain. It's going to be very uncomfortable and it can even rend you unconscious in a small number of seconds and he went into detail on how he would torture these young men and he in fact double and triple murders. He would incapacitate two or three people at a time and kill one person in front of the other victims and then continue to kill the other victims and he seemed to be pretty proud of that. We used that to our advantage to keep him talking and he described every killing to a T exactly how it happened all 33. As the news broke across the country one shocked

32:43viewer who'd unknowingly experienced Gases M.O. first hand was his ex-employee Tony Antonucci. Whilst working for PDM Tony had accidentally got a nail stuck in his foot. John took me and I got a tetanus shot and took me home and he came over later that evening to check on if I was okay or that was the theory but he also had some wine and we were drinking and he was kind of joking around as probably 10-1030 at night. I was a high school wrestler and he said oh you know you're a big wrestler guy and he started wrestling around with me. He got my left arm and he got it behind me and I felt him put a handcuff on it. I kept flailing my right hand around so that he couldn't get my right arm but eventually he did get a hold of my right arm and he knocked me down to the floor with my hands behind me. He left the room for a few minutes and I realized that if I pulled

33:51really hard on my right hand that I could pull my hand through the handcuff I could get it out. By pretending he was still handcuffed Tony was able to catch Gacy Unaware's when he returned and turned the situation to his advantage. I took the handcuff that I had gotten out of and I handcuffed him on one of his wrists and I reached into his pocket, got the key and a handcuff him behind his back laying face down. He goes you're the only one that not only got out of the handcuffs you got them on me. And I didn't know what that meant I thought that this was some type of test that he had performed before and I let him stay handcuffed for 10 or 15 minutes before I let him out of the handcuffs and you know he had previously agreed that when I let him up he would leave and he did. Tony had no idea just how close he'd come to being another victim of this deadly killer.

34:53I did not fear for my life and not fearing for my life and not panicking is probably what saved my life because I'm sure if when I got out of the handcuffs if I tried to run for the door or do something you know he was 33 years old and very strong and I was 16 or 17 I'm sure he could have overpowered me if if he knew he had to. Tony continued working for PDM for a few months after the attack and only reported the incident after Gacy's arrest. By the time the case went to trial police had managed to identify the remains of 22 of the victims. So with Gacy we have around 30 bodies different states of decomposition some of which have been there for many years forensically that sort of scene is a nightmare you've got so many different things to dig up it's a very complex procedure it's very hard work it will involve a lot of people in a lot of time seven of Gacy's victims have never been identified this close knit community on the outskirts of

36:00Chicago was baffled beyond belief that such a monster had lived amongst them for so long. One of the effects that learning about these crimes has on the public is that it sort of reduces you to a state of childlike awe and terror and wonder. You can imagine all these middle-americans suburbanites suddenly here are the authorities bringing out the decomposed remains of young men that have been stored in the crawl space of your neighbor's house. A horrified public were both shocked and outraged by the crimes Gacy had committed as the state prepared their case they were determined to ensure that the man who'd been held in such high esteem by his local community would pay for his crimes in full. I like things my way my coffee my schedule and my treatment so I talked to my doctor about self

37:03injecting with the Vivgard Hydrilo pre-filled syringe which contains effgartegamon alpha and hyaluronidase QVFC. It's injected under your skin subcutaneously it means I can inject in my space on my time. It's my treatment my way visit vivgardmyway.com that's v-y-v-g-a-r-t-myway.com and talk to your doctor about Vivgard Hydrilo brought to you by Argenics. Hey guys this is Joe, it's Nick and Kevin Jonas from Hey Jonas sponsored by Edible Arrangements which by the way is our go-to for birthdays especially when someone totally forgets to get a gift. I was gonna say needs a thoughtful last minute gift sure Edible always comes through with delivery today tomorrow in an hour if you need it now with fresh fruit and arrangements a goods chocolate covered treats also my birthday is coming up fast we know I'm not saying you forgot he's saying we forgot it was more credit gift I'm just saying Edible Arrangements is my perfect birthday gift order yours today at edible.com

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39:06different diagnoses which really goes towards this picture of this not intact human being this bits and pieces of person during the five week trial the prosecution were desperate to prove that Gacy was fully responsible for his actions there's a difference between psychopathy and mental illness psychopaths irrational they know what they're doing and they know what they do is wrong but they decide to do it anyway so he was pretty culpable for his crimes he was vicious he was evil he was not insane in any way he knew exactly what he was doing and he killed these people for self preservation because he was so well-liked politically and business-wise he couldn't have his public out that he was taking advantage of these kids one of the prosecution witnesses was Gacy's former employee Tony Antonucci who'd been attacked by the 37-year-old contractor I saw him in court and he was off to my left sitting at the at the table where the defense attorneys are and he just stared

40:13straight forward he was fairly far away I might have caught his eye on occasion in the courtroom but I was pretty nervous to be on a witness on a trial of that significance that even at that age and my early 20s on the 13th of March 1980 the jury had made their decision on the fate of John Wade Gacy it didn't take long for them to find him guilty I think it took maybe less than three hours which was amazing and then he was found guilty it was kind of amazing how fast everything went when you look at other trials that have gone on this trial went extremely fast in the final moments of the trial one of the prosecutors William Kunkel called him a ruthless sadistic killing machine and I think that's a pretty apt description judge Louis B. Garipo sent and Gacy to death he

41:15was immediately taken to the Menard Correctional Center Illinois where he would remain on death row for 14 years whilst in jail he took up painting selling his artwork for profit even when he was behind bars he continued to control and manipulate people he produced several paintings several works of art which he he sold and and he maintained a legacy even after his death through those paintings so so he was still in control when he was behind bars he still had power over other people and he was still able to to make choices and decisions the profits he gained from these paintings resulted in the government suing him for his earnings lawyer Karen Conti took on Gacy's case against the state Gacy liked to paint and he was a terrible terrible painter and he painted horrible things like skulls and clowns and creepy things like that but people bought them and they they paid $200 a shot for him to paint these ugly pictures so that's the first thing he wanted to talk to us about

42:19but we went down there knowing that what we wanted to do is represent him in the death penalty what was surprising was he looked enacted just like anybody else like your favorite uncle like your next door neighbor and if you think about it that's probably why he got away with killing so many boys and men because he didn't look evil you could not reconcile what he did with the man you were talking to Karen was a firm opponent of the death penalty and represented Gacy during his final appeals against the sentence over the years Gacy had numerous appeals and our system allows that appeals in the federal court appeals in the state court by the time that Gacy had his execution date set we were out of traditional appeals there are certain serial killers even staunch anti death penalty advocates would not protest against the execution of somebody like Gacy if he felt any twinge of feeling sorry it was only feeling sorry for himself you know these

43:25people are possessed of this incredibly malignant narcissism the only thing that they're capable of feeling anything for is themselves in their own needs when you have a client who has committed these horrific acts 33 murders no court is going to want to let him out no court is going to want to change execution to life in prison because it's politically a disaster Gacy had to be executed and no matter what we alleged even if we had really really good arguments I don't think anyone would have listened because it was John Gacy in a CBS TV interview filmed in Menard Correctional Center in May 1992 Gacy recanted his confession and tried to deny that he was guilty of any of the murders he claimed that he was a victim of circumstances and clearly innocent now that was Baldrush he was guilty of sin but nevertheless he just proved what an extraordinary man he was and throughout

44:28the interview you can see the interviewer looking more and more astounded by Gacy's relaxation he didn't look nervous he looked absolutely composed relaxed if anything a little angry why am I being put through this it's not fair I was a pure accident I never did it we knew it was his last ditch effort you know everything else failed he thought he could get away with the you know insanity plea and that didn't work so it was last ditch effort to say that he wasn't involved or that others participated but it was very clear during his initial confession that he was the one who completed these crimes and completed them by himself Gacy never took responsibility for his actions and he would always blame others he would blame his victims and in some cases he blamed his victims parents he would turn around and say well it's not my fault I'm completely you know not responsible for any of this and that's it that's a key psychopathic trade the failure to take

45:31responsibility for their own actions despite numerous attempts to appeal his death sentence on the 10th of May 1994 John Wayne Gacy was executed by lethal injection at state-filled penitentiary in Illinois it was a circus we were in a room at some point and we saw a television screen and we saw thousands of people lined up at least a mile down the street at the prison with signs kill the clown kill Gacy with our names on it kill Karen Conti people beating drums people dancing people with clown makeup on it was a celebration Gacy's last words were kiss my ass those are the words were man who absolutely didn't mind what he'd done he was proud of himself I'm proud of that killing spree which makes him particularly chilling Gacy was unrepentant right up until his last moments he clearly felt no remorse for any of his 33 victims using other human beings you know

46:39in flicking pain and suffering and torture on another helpless human being to me is the essence of evil after the execution you think there'd be closure but there really isn't closure for something like that I mean you always think back to the victims family and the poor young boy was 15 years old and just a good kid so as much as you'd like to believe there was closure there really wasn't closure 40 years after being attacked Tony and Tannucci feels relieved he didn't become one of Gacy's many victims I do feel very lucky to be alive I don't know what to tribute that to you know maybe I you know lock it definitely the biggest component you know a little bit of help from above and basically my own ignorance of the fact that I was truly in danger and the fact that I didn't panic and just wanted to win the game if it was a game is probably what helped I

47:40also would have been one of the earlier victims so I'm sure his techniques became more honed after he was divorced and lived alone and had more freedom to act differently John Wayne Gacy remains one of the most infamous killers in American history his horrific murders continue to hold the nation to this day I still get weird emails I still get weird things where people lash out and and say terrible things to me about representing Gacy so is Gacy said to me you know your obituary will read Karen Conti represented serial killer John Gacy and although I won't be around to verify that I have no doubt that's what it will bring for kids monsters are real as you become an adult you realize well there are no real rebels there are no real vampires but then something like this happens and you know it's like well you know this monster is real you know there is this ogre it's transfixing it's riveting you know it's fascinating in the most horrifying way

48:46Gacy was the epitome of evil and he was the epitome of being a great guy which gave him the ability to be the most evil guy in the world Gacy's outward persona of a charming socialite helped to keep his crimes hidden for over five years but behind the mask of this friendly clown was a sadistic killer who cruelly and savagely ended the lives of 33 young men by torturing them in the most idiots of manners all for his own self is sexual gratification his lack of remorse for any of his victims all their loved ones right up until the day he was executed prove that he is without doubt one of the world's most evil killers hey guys this is Joe snake and Kevin Jonas from Hey Jonas sponsored by edible arrangements which by the way is our go-to for birthdays especially when someone totally forgets to get a gift I was gonna say needs a thoughtful last minute gift sure edible

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