RIFF082 - The Goo Goo Dolls - A Boy Named Goo

0:00Music Refology! There you go. Alright, that's an in joke. It is, very good. Welcome to Refology! Refology! I'm Chris. We're here. I wasn't expecting that so early. I'm Neil. You're Chris. No, we've got 10 minutes in. We've got the correct fruit pastels. Thanks, Lindsay. Thanks, Lindsay. We've got Diet Coke, not Coke Zero. They didn't have the Coke Zero, but they had the Diet Coke in the bigger box. So you've gone for that? I've gone for that. It's nice. I just didn't case anyone's listening. And a friend of ours works for Sainsbury and Annie was upset because I said they've got crappy vegans next. But you can get 24 cans of Coke Zero for seven quid.

1:03Seven pounds. Yeah. Kind of planning stuff is brilliant. Yeah. Everything's alright. You've got to let, you know. If we do that, we can hide them. Because they're not going to go into the bonkos. They're not. They're not. You're not going to get that many in the bonkos. We have got a wig on them or something. It's just not. But isn't it mad? Like, I can't, like, if I look at my car. I've got my car keys. It cost me like 10 quid. Yeah. If only my car would run on Coke Zero. Yeah, that's it. That's all we need to do. That'll be wicked, wouldn't it? Yeah. Yeah. So get on that. If you can solve that problem, that'll be brilliant. We're doing the go-go dolls. Point them, go. I like this album. This is, I think, there's a brilliant quite about the go-go dolls at this era saying that they were the greatest band that no one had ever heard of. From metal blade records. Yeah. Horrible to them. Yeah. They haven't been really horrible to them. But they haven't been before this one. Sips.com. And if you're new to the go-go dolls and you're listening to this because you just like us. Yeah.

2:03Well, first of all, well done. Well done. Now, second of all, I hope you like this. There's so many people that I have gushed about the go-go doll. And the thing is with the go-go dolls, from me, my love affair with the go-go dolls ends here. Pretty much, right? So there's a few tracks on Dizzy Up the Girl, which came next that I really love. Yeah. But not meant, like, you know what I mean? It peeters a little bit. Yeah. It starts to, it's not like a sudden ending as it was with Metallica, for me, with the black album, where I had that took a lot of learning to get to love. And I still love quite, I still have, like, some new go-go doll stuff. And this is the last album that I would. But they went from quite an aggressive punky sounding band. Or old rock. Yeah. It's a quite commercially sounding pop rock. I think it's like this. It feels like, you know, if you imagine you got a slider, right? Yeah.

3:03Where you could, you could, oh, you got a little knob and you could turn up like pop hooks. Yeah. And it feels like in the very first record, the very first studio stuff, that was turned right down. No pop hooks. Not at that. Yeah. And then, like, every album. I see. They're like, you've got a 50, you've got a 50%, and then another 50%. You know what I mean? It's like, it's like, and you can kind of hear it in the early stuff, where there's that, a bit like, John Resnick's a really amazing songwriter. Yeah. And you can kind of hear that that stuff is there. But, like, it's almost like he's embarrassed. Yeah. And that's how it feels to me. Like, a little bit embarrassed to, to, you know, to go there, to put the pops that, yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's loads of stories about them in the studio where producers, like, posh producers, were trying to encourage them to do, you know, layering and doing, like, clever stuff and have, you know, you know, exotic recording techniques.

4:07Yeah. And the band just, like, can't get the head around it. And it's like, this isn't, it doesn't, this, this, like, the stories are like, they, they did it and recorded it and it just sounds really polished and kind of, they're kind of not liking what they're, it's like, not like in the reflection in the mirror, you know, it's, yeah. And I think, yeah, it's funny, because they refer, like, in the interviews, they, the band themselves referred to a boy named Goo was being a harder record, like, in heavier record almost than superstar car wash that came before it. Yeah. But it's interesting for me, like, the production on that is a little bit rougher. Yeah. This is a bit more polished, I think. But there's more pop hooks here than in superstar car wash, really, for me, those two records, you know, we've talked about this before, right? And I changed my mind quite a lot. This is where you can't have a tattoo, isn't it? It is. I, I, like, this, like, this in superstar car wash, you know, like, they're separated

5:07by a head, like, just like, master puppets and ride the lining, this, this, it's such hard days. Yeah. Yeah, between them. And, and I'll, I'll find out, like, flick, I'll, I'll, I'll gravitate to one more than the other for, like, two or three years. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? And then I'll just, oh, do you know what? I've not listened to them. Yeah. And then I'll, oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then I'm on that for a while. But, yeah. They are slightly different records. I'm, I was really surprised, because of what I was into at the time. I was melancholy. It was melancholy green day offspring. Yeah. I was probably still, I was, to be fair, I was probably very much offspringing a green day this time. Yeah. Pumpkins didn't come to later. Okay. Um, so did you pick melancholy up afterwards, then, we did you, like, so melancholy came out in 190. Yeah, yeah. Melancholy came out. I heard it. And then you lost in that keen eye. And then you went back and kind of, yeah. Yeah. And then, and then I found Simon's dream. Yeah. Then I found melancholy. Right. And then, and then a door came out. Yeah. Okay. At the time, a door came out. That was it.

6:07I was in. Um, but yeah, the, um, for saying what I was into at the time when this came out, I'm surprised I wasn't into this. Well, they went on tour with Bush. Yeah. Um, apparently they hated that tour. Yeah. Um, the stories around them at this point, I think, is it, so I think it's easy to, you know, when you look back, um, why did I think they were Australian for a bit? That was the thing I had. Because I'm from Buffalo. For a bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, that was good. I was there. That Australian. You think in a matchbox to, I always think matchbox 20 or Australian. And then I, and then the reason I think they're Australian, yeah, is because my girlfriend who introduced me to matchbox 20, she was from New Zealand. Oh. And she said, this is big in Australia. And I was, and I always thought, oh, well, that must be for Australia. Australia. So I thought for like 20 years, the matchbox 20 were Australian. Yeah. And they're not, they're not even close to it. Yeah. There was those guys. There was Toad the Web Sprocket. There was these guys. There were a few others of this, of this ilk, where it was, it was, yeah, there were,

7:10I don't know how you classify them. I was looking at their Wikipedia, but, but listen to this album this week, because again, I, I liked Iris, like when that came out, I was into it. I thought I was really good. Um, and I didn't really hear many of the albums at all. Um, but I was just really surprised that I wasn't into this when it came out, because it was right. Oh, my God. So many people have not, like I was to have a chat and having a conversation, uh, uh, Kendall Lacey was, was, was chatting on X this week, um, that, like, so he, he's like, so are you never hear anybody talking about Goo Goo Dolls? Yeah. Just you. Yeah. Yeah. Literally just you. And the entire planet is just you talks about the Goo Goo Dolls. Um, and I kind of think that it's, there, there is, there is this point where, and I think we hear. So not so much superstar car wash, but definitely, he definitely, we, a boy named Goo, their hard core, their original punk, um, fan base was getting alienated with name, and then even

8:14more so with, uh, you know, when, uh, by the time Iris came out, they were all vomiting on there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you ended up with a bunch of people just like to say, this is that meme now, isn't it? Oh, god. Yeah, there's been a release. What were you doing in the 90s, timing? It's been really release, doesn't it? Have you seen people? Have you seen the memes where people are, um, um, showing the petrol prices. So it's the, it's, it's the song Iris. What were you doing in the 90s and that people are just showing like video clips of Petrol Stations in the 90s with 18, 19, 20, yeah. Yeah. Um, so I'd love for the end. That's why the internet with me is why the internet was built that and cat videos But yes, my favorite on the stasis Solomon. She did one. Yeah, and it was just a picture of dogs She did her own one It was like long-haired like What are they like is it a saluki or oh, I don't know like the long hair that great long hair

9:16Yeah, yeah, this is a saluki. Yeah. Yeah, what lines are just them just just just photos of them I do like stasis Solomon, but her accent I just want to It's like chalk, but it's like nails on the chalkboard. It's like so I just like she didn't take herself so seriously I quite like that. I know she I do really like about her accent. I can't stand her accent for very long She's just too it's too flat. Yeah, do you know what I mean? It's like it's it's I don't know there's just something really weird about it. I mean, I find it really hard to work. Yeah, yeah, bless her But I do really like I think she's lovely. Yeah, yeah I just said it now. I wish you just wouldn't talk so tomorrow That's all I'm going to do is convert all like get AI to convert loads I do I do like a Lizzie listen. She's there's a there's a thing on Is the one where they empty the house? Yeah She loves it and it's and I like I say she's lovely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's so kind Yeah, I think the the world should be full of more people like stasis as long as they don't sound like it that'll be

10:18Well, I don't know where she from. Where's the reaction from? I don't know. But she was always on the things. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, she was always on the thing Like panel shows. She was always on a lot of those I think. Oh, she but they were like the good to because they'd ripper Because she's got that kind of thing, you know, she's you know quite Then she comes across as quite naive. I don't think she is No, no, no, no, no, it's just quite sharp, but yeah, they're dead shot. They were you know, they're having fun with her and stuff And you just think it's totally unfounded, you know, yeah Naturally, I like a lot. I just wish she wouldn't speak I mean a lot there must be a lot of people like that in the world. I'm lovely, but yes, probably better off if they don't speak Oh, yeah, I was talking yeah talking about why people haven't heard of this out these albums right because so you So imagine like you you You weren't aware of these these records. Mm-hmm. Your first the likelihood the first uh music you hear from Google dolls is name or iris. Yeah, right there the two there were

11:18Big singles off seabed store car wash, but not that they weren't really in the charts that much so and So if you liked like I quite like the kind of punky nature of these I kind of like the fact that they're a bit scrappy I like the fact that they're not overproduced. I mean it's quite polished. This is actually for the time, but it's not It's it's kind of a raw rock and roll record. Yeah, it's always well-produced, but it's not um You know, it's not kind of motlang polished. It's still got some rough edges to the guitars. I've got a bite to them You know, you know, I don't know. There's just something I did for me. This is something really authentic about the sound of these right You would never have heard these albums. No, you would have heard you would have heard iris probably Yeah, yeah, then you might have listened to dizzy up the girl Right, and you'd have been oh okay for enough every record that came after that just got more and more poppy Yes, and you get to the point where you're put like boxes and stuff when they're kind of modern stuff And it is like it's not even I mean still guitar music, but it's it's kind of gone

12:20Yeah, it's got more poppy than yeah, yeah, yeah, then where we are where we are here So I like so if you were on that journey you like oh well, that's interesting. I've heard iris Listen to this album you I don't think you would ever know that this is where they came from no And there's probably no reason for you to want to go and do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah So I can go and get it, but I think the world is missing some of the two probably if the greatest like Like guitar yeah albums that have ever been made. I just think this the songwriting is phenomenal like John Resnick is just epic Yeah, yeah, I love the the little I love the stuff he talks about Um, you know, there's a kind of very there's a real variation in In subject matter as well, and I think he's just quite a good job of telling a story Um, and I love the kind of simple like there's nowhere to hide here in the songs, you know, they're the beautifully written I do I love the the kind of multi vocalist thing as well. I kind of quite like that. It gives it a bit of a bit of texture as well

13:22But like for me like I say these have never got old. There's there's it's funny. There's albums that you You go back to You know, you think oh, I love that. I mean when you go back to it again. Mm-hmm. You realize it was a bit crappy Yeah, you know, like 20 or 30 years. Yeah, you would have loved it then yeah, and then you go back and listen Like these like these especially these two They're still there. Yeah, and I just think they're really I think they've aged really well. Yeah In the productions age really well. I like One move to sort of listen to interviews earlier and that is in them and stuff I really like listen to the way the two guys bounce off each other. So it's John and Robbie, isn't it? Yeah, and they're just They're they're they're like totally different people You get the sense they're quite different people. They're into different stuff. Yeah, but they're very complementary to one another Their personality is a really complementary to one another Um, and it made me that that made me kind of go Well, that's why it works then that's why this band works is because you've got two guys there that are

14:25You know totally different kind of people But resonate really really well together and like I've got you can sort of hear they've got each other's backs They yeah, you know, they kind of you know what I mean I've been inspired by countless friends of mine. I've also been like lucky enough to have some of the There's some of the best and incredible incredible human beings. Yeah, when you watch them do things like you watch Kennedy like live for truth and live out her dreams and work every day to achieve those and With that comes fearlessness like it pushes you it is motivational. Yeah, it's very true. You are the people you are around Yeah, definitely definitely you do get the feeling there's not so much Eek I'm sure there is Nico, but you you know, you get the feeling that they are Um, I don't know you like I can imagine them again. I know your voice sounds better for this. Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of conversation rather than you know Um, there's my you know, it's my turn for this. Yeah, you know, I mean yeah, the anti-oacers. Yeah Like Because that it did that morning glory thing where they just fought over who was singing what all the time

15:29Yeah, they just fought all the time. Well, no, I'm singing that one. He's not I should fight over a wonderwall. I do I do yeah eight bunkers, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, actually I hadn't realized with their races until we did the show on On uh, definitely maybe yeah The like Liam was sitting alive and towards the end of that um Do I guess towards the end of the band existing? That Liam was just sitting in the audience Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you know, and his brother's singing all the song. It's just like yeah, yeah, it's crazy But yeah, I don't I think I mean, I think John Resnick writes most of here. I think I think you wrote Yeah, I think you wrote most of This and then still does um And then and then yeah, they're a they're a bit where because they've got really different voices. Yes. Yeah I mean, there are bits on here where I think This it sounds like love hate. There's a bit in there. Yeah, you know, you know, we're talking about jizzy pull I think it's got great name jizzy pull

16:30Um, but there are bits on here with sounds like jizzy pull. Yeah, sounds like it sounds like a love hate song It's got that kind of you know that rock and roll punky bit of a snarl beat fast Um, tone to it Um, and there are bits where you've got name where it's like, you know, beautifully I have to say the two for me and naming naked. I mean, they're They're both incredible songs, but naming particular like that riff name's mad as it is incredible. I One of my favorite Podcast is Allison. I'm gonna get a name wrong because you said you maybe laugh earlier with my name's Allison Hagen Dorf Yes, and Hagen Hagen Dorf Yeah, and you said Hagen Dorf's all like a thing is Hagen Dorf now But game over if you like what we do you love what she does in love Such an incredible storyteller say yeah, if you search for um Allison Hagen Dorf, Allison Hagen Dorf. Yeah, that's exactly what to search for She is just I mean prepare to lose your life for for an hour or two. Yeah. Yeah. She does

17:35She loves the nine to think it's similar. She's similar era to towards what it focuses on Um, and it's fair to say we get a bit of inspiration from what you know if she can find a story in the trash She often talks about the particular track. Yeah Or a particular like a pivotal moment in in in an artist rather than the whole album, but Like often I'll be I'll be kind of doom scrolling and stuff when I'll I'll get a lot of her stuff in my feed And and she's got this ability to pick out a A story and and it was this she covered name Yes, and it just it just stopped me in my tracks. I'm so why have we not yeah, it's off one of my favorite records So why have we yeah, why are we not done it? Um, but yeah, she is just she's just bloody, but it's got her own podcast Which is excellent and she's all over the shorts and stuff. I think she's just I got it She's just she's just way better than we are That's the way I would put it Um, but she's lovely. Oh, yeah, and yeah, she yeah, but she talks about the story

18:37She's just about 10 minutes talking. She doesn't spend 10 minutes talking about free pastels That's the she doesn't talk about free pastels She looks she just she goes straight to business. She's been she goes to the content school. That's what she's just She's just good. She's like no, no mucking about straight in I Believe in love a moment pass me by Still can't turn away Because all the dreams she never thought should lose Toss them all the way Letters that you never meant to send lost the phone away

19:44But now we're calling up orphans. I never knew their names But don't belong to no one that's ashamed You could hide beside me maybe for a while And I won't tell no one your name I won't tell me your name This car's a souvenir she's never lose Pastors never far Did you lose yourself somewhere out there did you get to be a star

20:44Don't it make you sad to know that life More than who we are You grew up way too fast Now there's nothing to believe The reruns all become my history But tired so keep playing on a tired radio Because I won't tell no one your name Now tell me your name I won't tell no one your name I won't tell no one your name

21:48I won't tell no one your name I won't tell no one your name I won't tell no one your name I think about you all the time But I don't need the same It's lonely where you are come back down

22:54Now tell me your name Um we were a three-piece band And I was also such a huge fan of who's could do And Solus Island you know to a lesser degree That whole sound I could relate to that They had this great music scene there And I could relate to it being from Buffalo Which is basically just east of the Midwest And I think that was part of what the abrasiveness of their sound There was so much beauty underneath it Oh yeah One of the things that I started delving into was using open tunings Alternate tunings You know to create this sort of sonic thing where there's like You're filling in space Right You know we're not rush Robbie's thumpin' eights That was a trick that I think Moon did really well

23:54I read that you were when you were kind of strumming Oh this is cool You had a post didn't know that you're writing it down on Right the tunings I still do that or I'll put tape on the back of the guitar And I'll have a tuner And I'll write the tunings down on it Because I forget This is one of the stories that she pulled out for this Was that the bander kind of nowhere Right then I know one's heard of them Nobody's really A Goo Goo Dolls fan Unless you know them like the bander from Buffalo If you're from Buffalo and you're into punk You know you don't know that If you weren't then you probably didn't I think the new records A lot more aggressive than Our last record it's not so polite I think it's a pretty fair representation Where our heads are at At that particular time that that record was made Just like all of them are You know I mean that's I guess that's why they call them albums Because they're album A document of where you are at that particular time in your life

24:55We are progressing Continue At a real good rate We've always done our best for Buffalo And you know this is still our hometown And you know I mean we love it here It's our home We believe in people here And I hope they still believe in us You know that's really important to them And so they were doing so they've done their album And it sold enough copies to like you know By guitars and stuff But they were all still working They're all still painting jobs down And they were recording a Video I think it was for flat top right so they're recording a video for flat top And while they're recording that video So they're on set They're on this like fake desert island They're all trying to you know You know mine away to the thing to do the video Yeah And someone comes running into the set To say that K-rock in the US That kind of massive radio station in the US

25:55Had to put name on On rotation And that essentially meant that every other radio station would put it on rotation So they all will copy whatever Whatever K-rock we're doing And it just blew up from there Like it was never Nobody thought name was going to be a good single Yeah Crazy Crazy The bands certainly were not thinking that But then at the time You battling against Bush You battling against the pumpkin Yeah Post grunge isn't it So you see the year or so after Kurt Cobain's death This post grunge Here is coming in slightly more polished It's kind of grunge isn't it But it's like Like rock production The guitars are in tune But there's a lot of it Yeah Just to get like

26:55There's probably a lot of bands from there There were very good There's no one I actually heard of Yeah that is very, very true I think But I think it's fascinating here That they kind of dropped what they were doing And went to record stuff for name Yeah I think they realized it was going to go off the hook And so they went off and then supported that And the load of TV Appearances And you know they were doing all kinds of stuff To go really, really well Which did kind of kick off And then that was it Every Goo Goo Dolls album Up to I think it was up to Dizzy It sells double the amount of copies of the album before Which is extraordinary The thing that I didn't know about this one Until I did the prep for the blog Was there a metal blade And John Resnick Talks about the fact That they didn't know what he was doing He was just happy that someone was going to pay for studio time Right, because they couldn't afford to record their own stuff

27:55So He was just happy that someone was saying That they're going to pay for studio time That contract was horrific They were getting paid like zero Right, so really, really bad contract And that's what a boy named Goo Was released on So even though name went really well And the album sold In the US The band got zero from it Absolutely nothing from it They were the contract Was something crazy like they got paid Like I think it was something like Like 30% of the royalties went to the band But the band were responsible for paying Studio costs Out of their royalties So the record label got 70% Of all of the royalties And didn't have to pay anything from it The band got 30% of The royalties But then had to cover all the studio costs And all the other things And also distribution cost and everything else

28:55So they said it was back to you It was just, it was like They said that Even though it sold a lot of copies It literally just broke even with the cost to make There's a couple of guys from around here Back at the day that They made a bit of fuss about Getting signed Maybe big and all that sort of stuff But they signed one of those They signed a really bad deal Crazy The problem is with things like that It ends the band And then they also The deal They had to buy themselves out That deal from metal blade So they've got no money to record with And then Warner Brothers signed them And then they went on to do Dizzy Which is obviously great I'm a big fan of this era of the band Certainly, you car wash and And go, I really like those two records Trying to get hold of them Cockies of those He's insane It's really, really hard

29:55And it's because they're on metal blades Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah They were pressed, I think, in 2015 Yeah In the US, only So it was on that box set No, the box set was done So they were pressed after that in the box set There was only a fraction There weren't hardly any copies of that So I was looking up to get a copy of the box set And I've got a copy of Car wash, I don't have a copy of A boy named Gu But the only copies I can find Are $330 Canadian dollars Yes, with like $100 shipping Yeah And I'm not, I'm just No, I'm not doing that I like ACE We've talked about this before Me about putting on a physical bit of media Um But I'm not Not for a four-in-a-half For an album

30:56I absolutely love it I think I ended up paying like 90 quid For the superstar car wash Which is up there I think it's probably the most expensive record But they're not even from the 90s Yeah, yeah Do you know what I mean? It's like 10, it's a repress But they were never pressed on vinyl Neither of them were pressed on vinyl So it's just about CD Car wash and tape Yeah, yeah, yeah, it would have been cassette and tape I don't think, I would have been cassette and CD I don't think they would have come out on anything else This was like Early to mid-90s Just on the verge actually of MP3s Yes, just before, isn't it? Yeah, so like just just just just on the verge of I think we would have had MP3s at this point Yeah They're like lame would have been I come in when the lame encoder came out But that was kind of been 90s time Yeah But you wouldn't Yeah, I don't think you'd have a win-amp That really kicks the llamas ass Yeah

31:56So no, so when that was a player Yeah But lame was the encoder But lame was the bit that Took the really big music files and made them a little Oh, I see Because we didn't have much discs and storage And networks were slow and internet were slow So you would have had like 128 Killer bit MP3s And like that No one would have gone much more than that because they made the files to be But yeah, I don't think they would have been Certainly these two were never pressed on vinyl No, I think there was no That 2015 re-release was the very first pressing And they didn't make any... There were so few done And as far as I can see There's no plans to redo them No So you kind of stuck with With whatever, so it's just not You'd be interested now After that meme After that 90s meme But the thing is the band don't own Is metal blade, isn't it? You were explaining that

32:56So the band might want to But they can't do it because they don't own And there's no suns... It's just a bad deal, there's no sunset, they can't do a buyout No, so they can't do it So this is our metal blade to do it Who... I don't know Yeah, god, if you ever get a contract Writing a sunset closely It's crazy, yeah You've got to write an endpoint Sometimes you end up with the opposite of this Right, so with the minute metal blade Obviously did that Pressing in 2015 Then you get E-Rake Now E-Rake just shove Versus, they have some of my favorite bands Also, Napalm Death and Caucus And something like Buck Cherry and Skindred and a bunch of others But they... I bought the I absolutely adore Caucus One of the best bands ever There was a box that Have every studio album That they'd ever done With the original artwork

33:56Which are impossible to get hold of The artwork for Caucus was like really Yeah, I mean, not family friendly Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah So you just couldn't get it And they were only available Like fleetingly If you were lucky And you have to bear my way back at this time When these albums first came out The only place you'd have been able to buy them Was at a show They wouldn't have been in record stores You have what you have as far as being a writer And you can always Always draw from different sources I think it's a, you know, it's a matter of how honest you want to be with yourself You know, and If I felt like right in country and western on this record That's what I would have done, you know But I didn't, I felt like writing really aggressively And I think the more, and I hate this word But the more you mature as As a player and a writer You sort of discover things That you can do that you maybe never knew You can do before, you know Things that you may have wanted to do But I didn't have the confidence Or the know how to actually go ahead

34:56And get those things done So anyway, they did this box set And I thought yeah, do you know what I really, like the nostalgia is really strong for me I'm going to get that So I ordered that and I got it But then every other week They release another version Do you know what I mean? They're like a record constantly shoving These things out of the door You know, so like Here's a new one with an extra track Yeah, it's just different colour It's different colour And I don't know, you know But they're not asking me a money for them No, you know I think I bought some of the book cherry albums are like 14 quid They've got you sus, don't they? Yeah, and I think I'm down with that I'm totally down with 14 quid From a problem that I'm good with that That's about right for me But like, yeah, I don't know Paying like 330 It's a lot of money And to get smashed in the post I was really happy because I got a copy of Mal & Colley

35:58Did you? That was the same sort of thing You know, where it was hundreds and hundreds of pounds Then one came up and I'm sure we was like 50 quid Not a lot, and you're proud of the rest at all So yeah, definitely got that Do it There is something very, very nice I've got my car I've got quite an old car It's not got a very... It's got a record player in it It's not got a fancy audio system in it But I found out it's got a CD Yeah, it's got a CD there It's up on the way you flip the front down No, it's just got... In the boot, six-changer It's got like a little hole You can hardly see it Yeah, yeah, yeah It's really neat, it's kind of neat I do was like that It's really nice, you just kind of put it in it goes It feels good It's been brilliant, I've been able to listen to the compact discs in there I've got a few in there And do you know the other thing that's really cool about it In the glove compartment

36:58When you use it... It's a fridge I can't wait to... No, it's not going to freeze But you open the flap And there's like a groove across the bottom It's exactly a CD's width Oh wow I remember got it and the first one was Superstar Carwash Superstar Carwash CD in there Put it in a little slot And then put the thing in there And I was like... Oh, they nailed it Somebody did that I think somebody was like, you know, with a vernier calipers Exactly how big does the slot need to be It's beautiful I like that a lot My kids are still... They still don't believe me, that's how we used to listen to But they kind of get that... You can listen to music But that's not the only way Yeah, but they're like, why would you do that You know what I mean? They don't get it They're like, why don't you... In the 90s, why did you not just listen to on your phone The thing is, can you imagine when A.I. gets to the point

37:58Where it's that same conversation I was like, well why wouldn't you do it like that? Yeah, how could you just not use A.I? Yeah, yeah I couldn't go back No way I've just got really lazy So we had a Claude outage this week So there's a couple of models that we needed to use And I was trying to do So I was trying to review some poor requests on one of our repos And I've just got to the point now Where I just kind of go, what's the poor request to explain it to me? Show me the... Show it to me And you're like, what's the risk and then I test it I was like, I'm going to have to read this by hand I've got to actually read all of the stuff here And it's like, this is ridiculous But it's got there, isn't it? It's properly got there So I was doing bids for money for charity So it was like that And you'd normally spend two or three weeks

38:58Like putting a bid together Getting it right, checking it through Getting spending all that I did three in one day It was great It was so simple I had to do a podcast So I've been invited on a podcast Where they invite people who've been in IT For a long time to talk about their careers A kind of how did you get into it And what's been involved from stuff And I think I'm the oldest person they've ever seen The girls, the girls bless them Do it Do you know what I mean? They were that kind of age They're younger and energetic And I think they've seen people in their 30s and 40s Yeah, yeah And then they're not seen They're not used to it That's so good So I was chatting to them And I was saying, well they're not grandad Yeah, like the first job I ever did really in IT Was network Like redoing switches and things Like well, there was no network

39:58When I started at this company There was a zero network So if you wanted to share a file with somebody Oh, you used USB drives Didn't you use the floppy drive So you would have copied it onto the floppy disk Yeah Maybe two or three floppy disks And then you would have walked To the next person's computer And then they would do that And obviously connecting them together That was what I wanted to do And then oh, right here And then it was really fun Well, wouldn't it be easy just to email it or something The internet's not been invented yet I remember Monkey Island had 11 disks Oh, yeah It was perfect With a little copy of the disk that you spun around Yeah You spun it around to get the code and then you put it in I might have been, one of them It might have been elite Yeah, you had to ask you for a word On the page Yes, the manual

40:58So you had to get it to like page Word 12, paragraph 6, you know Or whatever That's copied protection, isn't it? Yeah, proper You can never find the bloody manual or whatever That's it, a couple of that games were done Everything the island was cracked Yeah, yeah Everything was always cracked on the maker And then like everyone, like everyone's mum always had a mate Who were, who like basically had a list of games You could buy from them Oh, yeah, it was like maybe 50p of disk So if you had like a 10 disker Yeah, yeah, that's five quid in it Well, it was at school for us, it was a load to swap in Yeah, yeah, yeah And from it, it was on the zenith And copying it, copying the disk Well, there's also an expected sense And it's okay, yeah, yeah For the Commodore 64 You'd have like a C60 or C90 And then it'd be like handwritten with the You know, the The, the The wheel that told you where you were

41:58On the cassette And it would just have the number in next to it So you could fast forward to that bit And then you'd have to find the gap Yes, and then you'd be, then you'd be all right Loads of that, I really liked that Yeah, that was good Different times back then I would, yeah, that would, for me, that would have been eight there Yeah, it would have been just on the verge Actually, late 80s, early 80s But I do think that Yeah, that And we're talking about media, weren't we? And There is still something that I really like About it, you know, and it's And although it's a faff, it's not that big of a faff Like it's not as big of a faff We're putting vinyl on Or listening to a CD Like Leo, like my eldest, really wants to do film photography Yeah, so we were going through some of my old cameras Do I use for gigs and shooting jets and stuff And then we looked at how much film costs nowadays And then we looked at how much it costs to, you know, to, to, you know

42:58Develop that and get a Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah It's ex-store Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so expensive I always remember it was like, it was never like super cheap Yeah, no, no, it's proper thing now, isn't it? You got one, you got film camera Yeah, I've got quite a few film cameras I've got, yeah, I've got a bit of a collection Which they're lovely, they're really nice things to use film cameras But, you know, they're films like 89 quid Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah And then to get developed is like 15 or 15, 16, 17 quid, something like that And then that's just to get the negatives back And then if you want them scanned, you got like another 10 quid on top of that Yeah, actually images You know what I mean, you then got to have that on top of it So, yeah, for one role of like 36 You kind of into like, I mean, it's the best part, I would say like 17 quid to a pound Yeah, yeah, yeah, per picture And like, half of them are rubbish Do you know what I mean?

43:58You got, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah They're a bit blurry or you, yeah You've read the light already You've read the light meter on or whatever Right, so Yeah, it's not that fast Yeah, and it's, I don't know, there's something I really like, just getting in the car And putting a CD in the car Yeah, yeah, yeah, feels like a Yeah, I don't know, yeah, because I mean, genuine There's probably not, I mean, I don't think I could tell the difference In the way they sound, I'm sure people claim that I can't And I don't see like in my car, it doesn't even give me the track list No, exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah It's on playing a CD And it's just, I think that's why I never remember names of any songs Because I would have just listened to like, oh, it's Track 7 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I would have ever learned the wrong names At the beginning, in the end I like that one Actually, this album, the one with the riff I said, this album is, I think this is a funny album Because it starts off So it starts with a long way down

44:58Yeah, right? So we start with long way down And I think it's really cool, do you know, just something you didn't know about this track Hmm, I bet there's something, no Well, I bet there's something virtually, no one knows who's listening Unless they've been on the block Yeah, it's, it was, they performed it live on Beverly Hills 90210 Do you remember Beverly Hills 90210? Yeah, yeah, yeah That was a 90 show There's a name that Goon does wrong it They were on the show and they played the long way down Which I think it's, I don't know, I think that's really interesting But it starts with long way down Which is kind of a bit rocky in the beginning And then it kind of ebbs and flows a little bit That was always a thing they're back in the mid to late 90s I think it's like buffing and stuff They always had bands on Anthrax were on married with children Which I think that's brilliant But yeah, kind of ebbs and flows The album does write kind of speed And I like albums like that It feels like a proper album Right until you get to the end And then you've got 12 and 13

45:58Which is disconnected and slave girl Don't feel connected to the album My often will stop this recording Yeah, I know where you're coming from Yeah And it was because the drummer left the band And he had written Oh, there he is Yeah, they're, no, they're, well, they're covers Okay Slave girl So the drummer wrote songs that didn't feature on the album And replaced them with those Yeah, exactly, yeah So let me So George Tetasca Right, and so he was the drummer Fell out with the band over royalties And he claimed that Resnick was getting royalties for A track on superstar car wash And it's a long way down I think, oh, no, not long way down Oh, come on, there's a track on superstar car wash

46:58Tetasca said that he was getting royalties for it Went to the management So if you don't fix the royalties, I'm out He recorded the drums for A boy named Gu Yeah, but then by the time The album was released, he'd kind of left Yeah, the band But he, there was a song on there called stand alone Which was on the original pressings Right So if you got the original CD of A boy named Gu Or have a track on it The original promo stuff had got the stand alone on there Resnick didn't Talked about it, didn't want to have that on the record He felt it was being exploited He obviously is not going to get paid royalties And blah, blah, blah So they weren't sure what to do So what they did Is they put two covers They recorded two covers Disconnected and slave girl Who were both Buffalo

47:58One punk band from Buffalo One punk band from Sydney It's called the enemies and limespiders Like defunct almost But the band didn't exist almost by the time the album Was released And that's what happened Disconnected which was by the enemies and slave girl Which was limespiders But they're quite spiky Both of those tracks They're kind of quite, they're a little bit lighter They have a really different Energy to them I think Yeah, I know what you're saying when you say they don't fit Because I sense that I felt that as well They didn't really fit the rest of the stuff Yeah, they had like Yeah, I don't know I don't know whether they would fit on like They would fit on Jed Or hold me up or something like that But they even feel a bit spiky For car wash They're just not, the energy is not quite There for me But if you like take those Off

48:58I don't know, I think the album Actually stands up really well Yeah, I think it's like a Yeah, so for me it's a really good album I thought they were bad Oh, no, no, don't be interesting Yeah, they're quite cool But they don't fit the vibe of the rest of the album for me Do you know another album that did that was I'm a massive prong fan right And I'm going to get the name of this Correct, I'm going to have a quick look on the Wikipedia But so prong did an album A recent album called Oh, what's it called now A state of emergency And on there is a rush cover Oh, yes, I remember, yeah, yeah And I stopped that album That's a working man, I think I don't like it, I don't like it at all

50:00I don't like my covers But I don't know, some bands do cover And they should fake no more, fake no more carry it off They should fake no more, did it? And Thrax did it with What did they do? They did anti-social, which was epic Megadeth have done covers like There's Metallica have done covers No, but it's encouraging help Yeah, so I don't know, there's some Some covers I think are just brilliant And you know, you Word up, right, gun, that's a gun That's a definitive Yeah, it's a gun track, you know But I don't know, it's weird If you And then take Word up for an example Right It fits the energy of that album Yes, so well It doesn't stand out in any way, it's like It's just another great track Yeah, yeah These two for me on here

51:00So by the time you get disconnected and slave girl They're cool tracks But they don't like As a lover of albums For me, I like the album Because it's a point in time It's where you are as the person So yeah, yeah This record is where Goo Goo Dolls were At this point in time It's writing about things that matter And we're occurring to him At that point in time And for me, it's like a little time capsule And I can't, there's something Something really, really cool about that And those two just take you out of that Yeah, they're just not quite Do you know what maybe that's why Superstar, I mean, I would take Superstar car wash over this But with a hair Absolutely, it's like the tiniest of Of hairs And it's probably Probably down to that I think they should probably just have left this as 11 tracks Yeah

52:00I think But I don't know I don't know Shall we Listen to a song Yeah, and then do some facts Facts, I like facts Yeah, I'm playing And I'm calling No one hears me No been, no felt, no thought I'd say a word Hey Yeah, say Yeah, say Yeah, say Yeah, say Yeah, say Yeah, say Yeah, say Yeah, say Yeah, say Somewhere I don't want to Take it inside your fill You can't take a net

53:01港 Almost here Hang me out For them to come In my heart Yeah, I am, and you fall alone, now I'm wastage, They don't need me, don't want me, don't hear what I say Wait, down, stay, now Can make it inside your fear Can't take back all those years

54:03Shots in the dark from empty cars Never hurt by anyone Never hurt by anyone Never hurt by anyone Never hurt by anyone It's not your hair, no one's there And I don't think I'll ever be

55:04And I don't care You make it inside your fear Can't take back all those years Shots in the dark from empty cars Never hurt by anyone Never hurt by anyone Never hurt by anyone Never hurt by anyone We used Boston producer Lou Giordano who was really big in the Fort Apache sound The Boston sound, he put together a couple of albums by the moving targets and he really understood what we were coming from as far as what kind of sound we wanted on the album He's rubbing into the aggressive guitar sound He's worked with Sugar and Husker Do for years

56:07We've been ripping them off since the beginning so I think it's pretty logical that he's a guy like that Just for that extra authenticity It's fact time Being a big fan of The Goo Goo Dolls I don't know whether the band's called Goo Goo Dolls or The Goo Goo Dolls So in the Wikipedia it says Goo Goo Dolls On the albums I've got it says Goo Goo Dolls In Apple Music it says The Goo Goo Dolls They make it all up They do what they want So I don't know If I look on the Wikipedia They're just called Goo Goo Dolls In the social, almost all the socials it says The Goo Goo Dolls Does it? I don't know Does Apple control their socials? Probably Tim Apple Release date 14th March 1995 Released on Metal Blade Records

57:08And Warner Brothers I think Warner Brothers did the Universal The International release but Metal Blade owned it There's subsidiary or anything like that I don't know So this is the biggest selling app album That Metal Blade had had I don't think they ever had one that was bigger No Than this And they made a lot of money from it Producer Lu Gordano Did tracks 1 to 11 A Rob Cavallo And The Goo Goo Dolls did 12 and 13 Those were the kind of the covers that were done at the end I like the production on this record Yeah, it's good I like the production on Superstar Coaches as well Recorded Bear Track Studios It was recorded at Trackmaster Studios in Buffalo Sound Castle in LA This kind of scattered around I think they did writing

58:09Some of the writing was done before All good Track Count 13 tracks Runtime 42 minutes long Very punky Do I mean The tracks are short sharp They start well They're finish well I like it I don't know You kind of get the feeling that they are not ideas I don't know You don't get the feeling like They're just regurgitating something It's done Yeah great Run the idea out It's finished now And then we stop the song I like that Guess where it charted in the UK So in the US It peaked at number 27 Yeah In the UK Probably nowhere Didn't chart Yeah Not even in the I don't know I don't know It's like 200 or whatever Nothing at all Number 15 in Canada Yeah It got two million copies

59:10It sold in the US It was quite a big album in the US Not so big here And I think partly As you were talking about There was a lot of stuff going on Yeah There were bands that we had over here They just did not They just did not They just did not It's simpler If you're on TFI Friday Everyone's heard of you Yeah I think so And Jules Holland Everyone's heard of you And I think so There was a lot to do with Like who's on the tally I think there was Like certainly in the US It would have been K-rock That radio station And with it You know That would have Really in equivalent I mean Kran came a bit later But the one really a radio thing No There was a lot of But the world It kind of had a scene didn't we Yeah It was Britpop Yeah This was the Waces and Blur Yeah And while we were Waces and Blurring The US were doing Yeah We're doing this So I keep going back to this But this is one of the These two albums

1:00:10One of the two greatest albums That people have never heard Yeah And they've got this perception of I don't like that Because I didn't like Like some poppy single That came out in 2000 Or whatever Or I didn't really like Iris Or you know I didn't really like that But they're quite a punk Rocky band They're quite rock-rock-rock-rock-rock I think that was When I It might be when you First like playing them Like really early Doorsbund were doing these shows Yeah And I remember having that conversation I was like Oh I thought they were popping in this Yeah You know And they were really quite spiking They were And the early go back Yeah The more More kind of punk rocket They get Yeah Singles Only one Yeah Flat top Name Which is the one that made it Really Yeah Naked and long way down Yeah, the good songs Long way down to how The album begins The band First began With the name Sex maggots Sorry Which I really like

1:01:10Yeah I can't imagine I can't imagine why they changed that. There's a lovely quote from Resnick. He says, when a club owner insisted they change it because the local paper couldn't print it, they grabbed a name from an advert for a toy in True Detective magazine. That's where Goo Goo dolls came from. Resnick later admitted, it's kind of stupid. Let's stop. Bit like food fighters, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the same. Yeah, the same thing is interesting. And again, in the, I've just reloaded in the blog, I mix the Goo Goo dolls and Goo Goo dolls throughout. So there you go. Let's do a poll. I don't think anyone cares today. Right, let me scroll down to the bottom of my list where it's interesting. Sorry, I've got to scroll up there. I'm scrolling to the bottom of the bottom of the blog

1:02:12where I put my facts. So things you might not know, the album's promo version had different track lists. So stand alone was written by George Tetiska. The drummer, yeah. Instead of the two covers, Ain't That Unusual was listed. Oh, Ain't That Unusual was listed under the title someday as well on the promo. Name uses different songs, I'll. Yeah, in the promo version, anyway. So name uses a highly unusual guitar tuning. Yeah. So you're sort of D-A-E-A-E. Requiring Resnick to replace the B string with a second high E string because a standard B string would snap. Yeah, yeah. Is that, is that guitar nerdy? Yeah, no nerdy. It's a pretty hard to snap it. Is that like, is that normal? Is that, is that how unusual is that? A lot of, a lot of Goo Goo dolls stuff is alternative tunings. Is it? Yeah, a lot of it. Yeah. I mean, some particulars, these, you know, name is, they're, it's, you know, like the Goo Goo dolls,

1:03:12particularly the acoustic guitar. Yeah. There's got that kind of droning quality. Yeah. Like it rings out, it's got a shimmery. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the, that's the tunings. Ah, I have to be honest, I really love the production that they got for these. They're kind of not, there's a risk, I think, with a lot of acoustic guitars that you sound like, it sounded like John Bon Jovier. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, that kind of, everybody, everybody wants that acoustic sound, because it sounds just so epic. And I really like the fact that Goo Goo dolls kind of kept that they've got their own thing. Yeah, a bit drier and I, I've got to like it. And name, the track name was written about MTV, Lisa Kennedy Montgomery, who hosted the MTV show from 92 to 97 and he had a bit of a crush on her and he used to go in to see her and he was dead impressed with her of how she, she was, like, inspirational stuff. Yeah, the fact that she, like, the way that she went about things and it made him question, hit himself and how he, how he went about things.

1:04:16So that's where the track came from. Despite selling over 2.1 million copies, the band members never received a single penny in royalties from the album due to their original metal blade contract, which paid them roughly 25 cents per CD. Unbelievable. The album photo was taken by father of two Carl Gellert. The boy was 12 by the time the image was actually used and the blood was actually black produce. It caused upset in Walmart who pulled it off the shelves and would later go on when it was obvious that it wasn't blood. They said it was pulled due to lack of sales. Yeah. The flat top music video was mid production when K-Rock started playing name, forcing the band to halt filming and rush out a name video instead.

1:07:38So it all turned me, so it all turned me. It's fallen all around us. It's just some kind of joke that drives you for all of us.

1:08:44Falling all around us. Got to my head for a while. The resonate told Grammy.com that they literally stopped one video to make another, so halfway through making one and decided to just get one for name out. Each of the Google Dolls' first five albums, that's the box set.

1:09:44They know that I've told you about that box set. Petty Thieves and something else it's called. I forgot the name of it now. Dead Red is really hard to get hold of. If you're a bit of a Google Dolls fan, it's really good. It's the first five albums on vinyl. There were none of them oppressed on vinyl. Originally, it's really, really cool. Loads of cool stuff inside it as well like tip bits where it was recorded and just cool things that you get in a physical media. Each of the first five albums sold roughly twice as many copies as the one before it. Which I think is bonkers, that's super cool. The band was so broke during the album's success that they toured with bush and no doubt to cover legal bills for their metal blade lawsuit because they took metal blades to court to kind of get out of that thing.

1:10:44They were saying that it was that they had so little money that they were having to tour like relentlessly. Yes, they paid the bills. Any tour that was going, they were on it. Which no doubt did them no harm. You know, getting in front of... Imagine getting in front of the bush crowd. I was thinking about the time run and where they are in their story. Of course, we know now that Iris was around the corner. Is coming, but they didn't know. No, there was really hard time not knowing this huge hit was kind of about to take us into the stratosphere. And that's it for facts. There are all the facts that I've got in the blog. There might be more facts in the blog, but they're the ones that I felt were... So the blog is refolliger.co. And you can go to that and it's getting lots of interest. And the podcast is getting a lot of interest. It is, yeah, lots of you are listening to it. I noticed overcast is good. People from overcast, so welcome. Europe.

1:11:45I don't know. I don't know. That sounds like a European. I know. I heart radio. If you're listening to us on I Heart Radio, well done, you for listening to us on I Heart Radio. I have to be honest, we get lots of... According to our stats, we get lots of people listening on I Heart Radio and we didn't know what that was. We're in the heart of England. We appreciate you very much for enjoying this stuff with us. But yeah, lots of people are listening. It's good. More people are listening. Then probably we have any right to have people listening to. But we do appreciate it. I do worry sometimes that we don't translate particularly well. I have lots of American friends and they kind of stop me sometimes when we're having meetings and stuff. Yeah, what you want about? I don't know where the fruit pastels. What fruit pastels called in America? Can you imagine if it was like called something stupid?

1:12:45I saw a lovely quote today that said that if what would you... If you could change one thing about your country, what would it be? It was basically saying that a British man said that the one thing he would change about England is he would rename the seed rape to canola like America. So it was easy for British people to say. I like that a lot. Is that what canola seeds are? I think it's yellow stuff. Yeah, it's yellow. I like it when they plant that. It's really pretty. It comes out as a photographer. We always used to go and drag people into canola fields. They're really pretty or poppy fields as well. They're really pretty as well. Do you know what we're off on a bizarre tangent? I've noticed that farmers have been planting some flowers.

1:13:47Have they? Yeah, it's called something seed. Right, right. And the government paid them to plant this stuff. I just look well-smart. I imagine a field full of sunflowers. Dead look really, really cool. Lizzy wouldn't let me still... I wanted to go... If you take the head off for sunflower and dry it, you get like sunflow seeds. And then you can plant the sunflower seeds and then you get sunflowers. You're driving past one of these fields. And I like pull up. And she's like, what are you doing? I'm going to go and steal a sunflower. And she's like, what if you get caught? What would you mean what if I get caught? What if the police come? What? The police? I don't know. The sunflower, please. Don't be pretty sure they've not got a cereal in the sun. And I'll just say that I found it on the floor. This one fell off. Yeah, we fell out. I feel it.

1:14:47She's like, there's something about bad influence with the children. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you shouldn't go around stealing things. But I'm pretty sure that farmer wouldn't have mind. Well, it's bi-diversity, isn't it? You're encouraging bi-diversity. Of course it is. There's walls going on in there. No one cares about a bloody sunflower, do they? They're dead smart. I like sunflowers. Yeah, I like sunflowers. I do, I really... Yeah, we've always... The ones that we try and grow. Do you? I kill most of them. I've got some giant sunflowers seeds at home. Have you actually got some? Yeah, do you want some? I always want to eat them. Again, of those of a certain age, who remember the X-files? Yeah. Fox Mulder. I remember getting sunflowers seeds and being incredibly disappointed. Fox Mulder has some chocolate. There's got to be brilliant. They're not very good at all. And Chewy and Tobacco. I've never done that. Chewy and Tobacco was a thing...

1:15:47I don't know, like American Western films. They always have Chewy and Tobacco in the past. In the Spittoon. Yeah, it's a Spittoon, it's called, isn't it? A Spittoon. My tigloons. And yeah, I always thought, Oh, I've tried that one day. It's horrible. Yeah, Dan's brother had some. It was like, here you go, try that. Dan Baker doesn't even exist. How can you have a brother? Yeah. We should have everyone on the show, maybe. We haven't talked about that for ages. No, we should go, Mom. You guys need to do a new album. And then what you can do is you can make him come on the show as part of the publicity. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You should definitely do that. I know, I wasn't if you wanted to speak about a pole position app. What? The pole position app. If you like Formula One,

1:16:47I have got a fantasy Formula One league. And I have to be on it. So I've loved Formula One since the 80s. So I was about 10. And I love, I just absolutely fell in love with it. And where I grew up. My dad was a mechanic. My dad was an engineer but he used to do loads of work on cars, race cars and stuff. And the guy next to him, next to him, he used to build dragsters, who used to go down to race dragsters and stuff. So I kind of grew up around paddocks and, you know, at Donington Park. I first learned how to drive. Like most people say, oh, yeah, I learned how to drive in a, like a Voxel Viva or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was learning to drive in race cars around the paddock. And, you know, this was in the 70s, where parents, I mean, you know what I mean? There were no seatbelts. They would be smoky and they'd be, you know, they think, they used to think it was dead funny to give kids, like, you know, beer and stuff. Yeah. And then, yeah, of course you can never go in the race car. Just try not to kill anybody. So I always love racing just absolutely besotted with it.

1:17:49In fact, the past 10 years I wanted to build my own fantasy league. And I never really did it. But my youngest is now besotted with it as well. He's just like totally... That's new work, same sort of thing. Yeah, but what's weird about it? Like, no one else in the family likes a font and pop from me. So I would watch it on my iPad with my headphones on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or I would catch up on the highlights on the Monday. Yeah, right. So it's not like you'd seen it around the house. No. And then I just suddenly became aware of it. Watching catch-ups stuff on YouTube and, you know, paying attention to it. I came downstairs one day and said, I really... I want to buy the, I think it was F1 2022 or 2023 after his Xbox. And then I'm like, oh, did you like Formula One now then? You know what I mean? So anyway, he's besotted with it. And he convinced me to finish it. So I have a fantasy league called pole position fantasy league.

1:18:51So if you type that into the Google, it's called pole position fantasy league.com. And it is like an F1 fantasy league. It's so good. It's so good, yeah, it's cool. I like the bit where you did the lap shapes. Oh, yeah. I like that bit. I use a founder, a really cool community project called F1DB. And they have all the data and stats. But one of the lovely things they have is circuit diagrams. Yeah, yeah. Really lovely people as well. I love community projects. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's been really cool to do. It's been really brilliant to be able to pull it together. There's like hundreds of people in there. It's brilliant as well. I thought there might be like 10. You know, you get those projects and it's just you and your mates. But you know, it's good. It's real strangers. You know, it's really, really cool. And I'm still petrified that the FIA are going to appear in the Xbox. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:19:51And I know people in F1 and I know people in the FIA, and they've all said that they'll leave you alone right until if it gets to a point where it makes money or something like that. Yeah, it will be significant. Then they will also just stay under the radar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, you're friends. We're all friends here. We're all friends here. Just don't tell anyone. And like, you know, it's interesting. A lot of my US friends. I mean, typically F1 has always been a British thing. But yeah, loads of my US. Yeah, loads of my US. Obviously, they've got Cadillac in there now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, the... Wait, some really good quality American drivers, I think. That'd be brilliant. Anyway, yeah, that's it. That's my... I'm not very good at adverts. That's good adverts, though. Is it good adverts? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean... But pole position, fancy league.

1:20:51Him.com. Yeah, he.com, yeah. Dot-com. Martin Clunes would love it. Whatever happened to Martin Clunes, I like Martin Clunes. Martin Clunes. I love Martin Clunes, brilliant. Right, let's do a song. And then we'll do what's next week. Sweet. I opened up my head a while. It's been different years. Must have been a victim of my affairs. One is for my happiness. The other for my health. Let's do something bigger than myself. I feel only one. I feel only one. I feel only one today.

1:22:01I'm talking to myself again. I'll just out of fight. And nobody can prove me wrong. I'm right. And to hear a ride away with a suicide excuse. Fouls and other suckers. I feel only one. I feel only one. I feel only one. I feel only one today. I feel only one. I feel only one. I feel only one today.

1:23:13A little pictures in my head, turning inside out again, sparking up takes practice. I feel I'm well rehearsed, because the past is a bully and the future's even worse. You tell me what you feel, because I can feel it like a curse. Why you used to be a folk singer, now you're just a joke singer. Ain't I smoking dope singers, winning from a rock singer? I feel the only one, I feel the only one hard. I feel the only one to say. I feel the only one hard, I feel the only one to say.

1:24:19Right then, next week, the plan is... Matchbox Twenties, isn't it? Yeah, I want to do yourself or someone like you. I kind of think it feeds off this a little bit. I like that. I like Rob Thomas. Rob Thomas is dead good. Also, they're a little bit in the press aren't they? They've just been and reissued at AP. They had found older, older stuff. Again, another band. I said like a grumpy old man, another band where... They used to be good and now they're not very good. I like their older stuff. Yeah, I do. I love this and then they did mad season. And then I kind of got to a point with them where I'm like, I'm not... It sounds like you're saying they're terrible and it's not. I fell in love with this band here for someone like you. I kind of love the twang in his voice.

1:25:20I love the fact that it's not super produced. It's not overly polished. It's good. I think it's great production. I still got the kind of rock and roll, that kind of stuff in there. I think Rob Thomas is one of the best songwriters of the last 30 years. I think he's just epic, absolutely epic. And I love the story of the name. So a bit of a tip bit of this one, right? So the original album should have been called The Woodshed Diaries. Right. And Rob Thomas and Paul do set were a woman's musical performance at Cafe Lago. And the singer said, this song is for you or someone like you. That's what they are. And they changed the album. The bit that I didn't know was that they already had 3,500 pressings of the album with The Woodshed Diaries name. Wow. And they had to go back to the record company and say, can we change the name please? Is that all right? Singles from it, Long Day, Push 3am, Real World, and Back to Good.

1:26:23If you've not heard those, these are... Yeah, big songs. Bloody brilliant, aren't they? They're big tunes for sure. Do you know how many albums it sold? How many copies? 21 million. Wow. But another band that weren't dead massive over here. Yeah, in the UK. I don't think this was even released. Not right. Yeah. Like I had an Australian, she would die if she heard me call her Australian. She was from New Zealand. She was a Kiwi. She was very proud Kiwi, actually. But yeah, she came over with this again, not on CD or anything. I think it was on US. I think she gave me USBE key with this one of MP3. I can't remember exactly. Oh, no, we didn't take maybe. I can't remember. But I remember we had it in the car a lot. We had it. It was in the car. It was cool. It was cool. It was cool out. I really, really liked it.

1:27:23But you never heard of it. No. And their fanbase still here in the UK is tiny compared to what they found themselves. Yeah, I think so. And like I said, Rob Thomas interviews really well. Yes. He's really good in front of the camera. He's. I think Rob Thomas interviews really well. Yes. He's really good in front of the camera. He's. Yeah. I think that's almost untana later. He does, doesn't he? He does. But I think this is another album for me that stacks up really, really well. I think it's aged really well. I don't think that it's. I think it's just good songs though, isn't it? It is. Is this one, isn't it? Yeah, you're right. But it's interesting, isn't it? Like if you pick up a motley crew record. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I still think the song writing is really good. Yeah. And yeah, I still think like like Mick Mars has written some like epic stuff. Hmm. They're a little bit hard harder to go back to. It's dated, isn't it? It is. Yeah. I mean, so I think I'm a pretty good like, you know, some like girls, girls, girls.

1:28:23Yeah. It's slightly harder like Dr. Feelgood's kind of kind of okay, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, it's funny how some albums date. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wasn't as easy top this week. Yeah. And they're a bit similar. Yeah. What aged or? Yeah. I still like some of the lyrical content, not potentially aged quite as well as you think it might, you know what I was thinking might do. But this is one I think that it's about people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This album, so it so, sorry. Lums. Yeah, yourself of someone like you is is it's the way this is just as relevant now as it was in 96 when it came out. Anyway, I'm very much looking forward to this. I think I have this CD in my car, I could listen to it, there's a problem with it on the good box lock. The problem with CDs is that you can only listen to what you've got. I remember, didn't I have a tell you that I got, I got St. Anger, Metallica's St. Anger

1:29:24CD, Stuck, I had an MR2, and Metallica's St. Anger's got Stuck in the CD player, and that's so you could listen to it for like 18 months, I either had that, I either had zero or St. Anger. Did it push you to like the snare? No, I still listened to it, and then it was funny, I quite liked it, I know everyone's got a, they don't like St. Anger, but I don't know, I thought it was alright, but I didn't love it, but it was the only thing I could listen to for a long time, and eventually I still had to change the whole head, the whole head unit came out, and yeah, the whole head unit came out, that's exactly what I did with that one, and I don't, it's probably that head unit, it's probably still got St. Anger in it, yeah, yeah, so if you, was it, was it a legitimate copy of it as well, was it, was it a CD up, like a burnt CD? It would have probably been original of that, well, yeah, I don't like it, but they

1:30:24get stuck in the CD player, there's something wrong about that, I don't know, it's funny, isn't it? But I would have guessed that, I can't imagine I would have got a copy of that, I think I would have been excited for a new Metallica album, bought it, put it in, not liked it, tried to take it out, and then it's like, I'm sorry, you bought it now, this is it every day you have learned, it was a proper running joke in my car, that was stuck in there, loads of people tried to get it out, yeah, which car was it? It's Neymar 2, I'm sorry you didn't say that, it's Neymar 2 Turbo, it's a lovely car that wasn't really like that, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've had some really stupid cars over the years, and that was one of them, it was brilliant, it was just, the more round the trade one, yeah, it's a marquee, yeah, it was, yeah, rounded, pop-up headlights, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was, it was lovely, yeah, engine law was kind of bolted to your back, yeah, yeah, yeah, like loud

1:31:25and noisy, you could hear it breathing, yeah, I think it was, yeah, you want one of them, and then the other car, you know, that comes out of special occasion, it's a bit of a GZM, to enter that, yeah, Bosh, there you go, nice thing, aren't they, my mates obsessed with skylines, yeah, skylines, yeah, and I love skylines, right until you get inside them, yes, like they're bizarre, if you get into, if you get into, like if you get into a 9-11, yeah, from the 90s, they're pretty well screwed together, they're like, you know, they're all right, and if you get into, like, Ferraris, if you get into, that's not true, Ferraris fall apart, but they're still beautifully made, yeah, yeah, if you get into a Lotus from the night, wait, if you can find a working Lotus from the nighties, like, well, don't you, but they look nice inside the, you know, they're kind of, they're kind of quite spartan, I think still feel quite well screwed together, yeah, get inside

1:32:25a Nissan skyline from the 90s, and it's awful, just like getting into a Tupperware container, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, everything's that black, hard scratchy, but it's not, it just feels cheap, just feels really unpleasant, everything, you know, I mean, there's not even like nice dials, everything just feels horrible inside them, but they're lovely to drive, and they look, they look cool, do you know what I mean from the outside, so they're a bizarre thing that is kind of aged, well, you have to love it, you know what I mean, you're kind of have to, I have to love them, but I think I like, I like, I like the skyline, peak, peak from e-cars, that were kind of 90s cars, yeah, yeah, they were dead good, yeah, they're super, and yeah, oh, god, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I may add a super, because I had a remarkable super, it was lovely, that was, I like to, again, interior is terrible, yeah, and they forget, if you ever go back and drive them now, they're awful, but they were proper, like in the day, you know, but I think they were made by that, you know, I don't, I think a lot, I think Vauxhall these days, they're made by people that don't

1:33:31like cars, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think they're kind of, I think they're like, oh, I don't, you know, you've got to just get it out, they're like a bunch of people, it's just, oh, I don't like cars, just go in, where it's back in the 90s, I think, I mean, I think the skylines and the MR2s and the Supers and all like the Mitsubishi's and I don't know, yeah, I think they were made by people that loved cars, yeah, yeah, yeah, I just, I think that's missing a bit, I think there's too many PR marketing people in there, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, not car people, nerds, car nerds, I think it was when they were, it was my, oh, yeah, you watched that documentary yet, no, Martin, somebody's name is, it's, I forgot what it's called, but it's a documentary about Gran Turismo, Martin Cleans, Martin Cleans, Martin Cleans, um, um, sorry, I've lost the real to live, um, yeah, there's a Netflix documentary about his name's Martin, something I think, but anyway,

1:34:32he was a, he played Gran Turismo, won a competition, and then they stuck him in a real skyline, and then he did really well, and then he went to do wet gracing, kind of, um, endurance car racing, and his car flipped upside down and, and he killed somebody and, oh gosh, it was, yeah, it's a phenomenal documentary, it's a really, really cool, really, really cool documentary, it's got some really cool things in there, um, it's even got, it's got black Sabbath in it, right, yeah, any, and he's got, it's got Gran Turismo, it's got Nissan Skylines, it's got wet gracing in there, and it's got black Sabbath in there, that's it, that's all you need, the tech, cheekboxes, cheekboxes, checkboxes nailed it, shall we go, sorry,