Remembering September 11th- h1

0:00Good afternoon, St. Louis DGS 1041 FM KMO X few minutes past one PM. So here we are. 25th anniversary commemoration of the 9-11 attacks before we start start. Let me just give you a little preview. So this is my 25th of these 24th, I guess. And there's no winning doing a radio broadcast on 9-11. Because some people will want you to talk about it for four hours. Some people will want you to talk about it for four minutes. And so what we're going to do is dedicate the first hour, you know, maybe 90 minutes to 9-11 and talking about it and sharing our stories and doing some interviews.

1:01And then somewhere in the 220 to 230 range, we will try to pivot the best we can. The most respectfully we can to a regular show, Bernie McClure's Alvin Reed, that kind of stuff. We'll come back to it. We'll be talking about it throughout the show, but it will be a four hour wall to wall. I just think that's that's the best way to do it. So rage and I started our day this morning doing about the first four four or five miles of the March to the arch started out of Mike Duffy's in town in country. They're walking right now. They will finish up at the arch at about 5 30 pm. It's 21 miles. I'm bad at estimating how many people there were, but I know talking to Bo who started this whole thing that it was about double what they've ever had. So that was great. It was pretty amazing just being there with the people, lots of military people, dozens of firefighters in full gear doing the 21 mile hike, unbelievable.

2:10And rage and I had the idea as we were walking, well, we have a phone, we have all these people. Why don't we just interview some of them? So we interviewed several gentlemen and we're going to play those for you here in the first half hour, so the show. Before we start, anyone have anything they want to say anything they want to start out with? I just want to say it was an honor to do a small part of the March to the arch today. And I kept kind of going back and forth between feeling very sad and emotional and then also kind of like overwhelmed with joy at moments too because of just seeing people make the decision to be there and seeing people pull over on the side of the road and wave and yeah. People pulled over for us like it was a funeral. Yeah, they did, they never, not one person passed us. And as we went over like an overpass, people were honking. Oh, cool. Yeah, so it was nice. And it's nice to be able to experience something like that here in St. Louis and know and hopefully

3:14people who are affected by it will see things like this happening all over the country and be moved by that. I also want to bring up the flags of valor on Art Hill is so incredible too. There's just so many ways that the city shows that we're still hurting too and we will not forget. So it's just very nice. Yeah, we'd love to hear from you as well, especially the people on the stream. I don't know how many characters you have to type, but let us know, you know, where were you in 9-11? What's your biggest memory? Things like that. Also today at the March for the Arch, they had these lanyards of people who lost their life in 9-11 and that's who you walked for. And so James T. Redmond was a firefighter who lost his life on 9-11 and that's who I was walking for. Ray Chad, firefighter as well. So again, wonderful, wonderful event. I plan to do the whole 21 next year. I'll take the day off the show and hopefully you guys can

4:17join me. Okay. So the first couple of gentlemen we spoke to and this is while we're walking down Clayton Road in Town of Country, we're Joe and Jim. They were both air traffic controllers on 9-11. All right guys, we are here on the March to the Arch commemorating 9-11. Here are a couple of my friends who were air traffic controllers at the time. So guys, I'm just going to hand you the phone, introduce yourselves and then we'll start with Joe and just tell me your 9-11 story. My name is Joe Burke. I worked in the Traycon back in 2001. St. Louis. Very hectic day. I had a lot of planes coming in. Too many planes actually for the airport to handle. It was just crazy. It's like we've never seen before. Trying to watch some of this stuff on the TV. We had the opportunity to do it. See what was going on. It was just something else. Long day, hectic day.

5:20Word about your family at home. We had to stay at work until the planes were all down. Eventually all the planes, remember this guy had the land and then it was all quiet for three days afterwards. It was eerie. Something I would never live through. Again, it was a crazy day. You were telling me that there were so many planes that came into St. Louis that weren't scheduled to come into St. Louis that you were the first to fall from Ohio. So you guys had tons of planes coming in that you weren't prepared for. Oh yeah, I mean, it was just, I mean we were, in fact, in Lambert was busy. We worked a lot of planes but in this was way more than we've ever had to work before. It was just planes were all over the place and you know, we never had that many and Stutt got still had to follow the rules and get them down and keep them separated. But it was just just lasted for a couple hours, Jimmy. It was nonstop. One after the other after the other.

6:22It was so weird for the rest of us to see no planes in the sky for several days. How weird was it for you guys? It was strange because we were used to, we were used to be in busy every day we worked and it was nothing for three days. And some helicopters, some military planes. And then once they started flying again like four days later, it was slow. It wasn't like it was before. All sorts of different rules we had to go by and planes were further apart coming out. But yeah it was it was it was it was your for sure if you'd using that same word but did it change the way you guys did your job every day after that? We had they had different procedures for hijack airplanes. We had to learn new stuff on that. I mean, I don't know every experience at hijack airplane before. And they lose that on thing. But after that they didn't know what was going to happen again. So we had to learn different procedures in case somebody was hijacked. The pilot didn't respond.

7:28It was it was all new to us. What was the hate to even ask this? But what was the vibe, the energy in the tower on that day? Well, I was Jimmy here was in the tower. I was downstairs but I'm sure it was it was pretty hectic. I don't even know. Was that the new tower? Jimmy or the old tower? So my name is Jim Hovek. I was working in the tower on September 11th. And when the fall call first came in, you know, it was like anything within 150 miles of Lambert's coming to your house get ready type of thing. And this came all the way down from the White House and through Norrad and direct calls. So you know, you don't usually expect those calls. But when they happen, it's like all hands on deck. Here we go. Something big is happening. And even though from downstairs we knew planes ran into the twin towers and stuff like that. We knew stuff was real. You didn't really know what the next hit was going to be. Was it you? Was it downtown St. Louis, the transworld dorm or whatever. So

8:29everybody was like kind of scared relatively so. So anyway, all the planes started coming in, Drake got started, Becker and into the tower. And I distinctly remembering and getting to be so full all the gates filled up. We closed taxiways. We closed the runways to park planes. No, it's the tail. People, people, yeah, people waited, which people don't realize, up to five hours to get off a plane because there wasn't that many gates or stairs to move things around just the logistics. And I distinctly remember they held a 747 air china plane that was on the way to Chicago and they diverted in the St. Louis and it's like, where do you want me to put a 747? We are full. So he literally landed 30 left and turned off and turned shut his engines off and run away 2-4. And that was it. It was like, we are full. We are completely packed. So we just watched it and now go now. It's like all the planes are on the ground, but where do we go from here? You see what I'm saying?

9:33So like Joe was saying, for the next three days, it was very eerie. You know, they had the guard on standby here. I remember Joe and they had people in the scrambled in the overhead fighter traffic. Everything was just grounded. Well, you know, they figured out what was going on. And for an air traffic controller, that was extremely scary because our whole careers were moving planes. Yeah, the first time it's ever happened, you don't really prepare for that. And then you never want to see it again because it was a vivid, vivid memory for all of us that were in the tower. So anyway. So what are the dreams about it? No, no. It wasn't traumatic in the fact that it kept you awake at night. Well, maybe the, maybe the first few days, but not now a bit. I'm just saying, it was such an oddity that you couldn't believe that really happened. You see what I'm saying? I'm like, yeah. Did somebody really, yeah, always like, you know, now with AI and stuff, you can see how people can manipulate it. But back then, way before that, it's like,

10:34did I really just see what I just saw on TV? Is this a joke? You know, so anyway, that anyway. That's my story of vivid memory. So that's why we're out here kind of walking and kind of remembering those days and telling stories. So I'll give it back to you. Thank you, Jimmy. Appreciate it. So Joe and Jim, who are air traffic controllers in 9-11, and when we come back, we'll play Mike and Eric, who are military guys. The, the younger of the two was a high school senior, I think, on 9-11, and then joined the army and did several tours. And so we'll hear from them. And then we'll talk to John, who is a firefighter in St. Louis City, who was walking with his full gear and air tanks in the whole bit. Look back, guys, DGS on KMO X on 9-11. So the next, this segment here at 4-4-3-130, we're going to have

11:35Fred Bodemer on, who is on KMO X on 9-11. I think it was on KMO X in 18-11. But he's going to tell us his story. Rachel and I did the first little leg of the March to the arch today. Great honor for the two of us. And we decided to use our time productively. And we started recording interviews with some of our fellow walkers. This is Mike and Eric, who were clearly military guys walking with a big, heavy, rough sax on. And we talked to them as well. So my guy there to retire, starting first class army. So all this opportunity, and we ended up having the time off this week. And don't think I'll ever miss it again. 9-11, I was picking my girlfriend up from high school. And don't think we went to school that day. But it made sense and came from a background of military vets and followed suit. And now I'm retired and get to do awesome stuff like this with awesome veterans.

12:37What does it mean to you as a veteran? And was that why you joined after 9-11? That's what caused you to. There's a combination of that and my grandpa had served and been through much worse. And I wasn't going to be the soft one that didn't follow suit with. What does it mean to you looking back 25 years now? How much life he's lived? That's a hell of a question. Been on four different continents, been in few different deployments. And the life I've lived has been insane and been lucky enough to have my amazing wife Rachel follow me through a decade of those adventures. And yeah, kind of crazy to look back on and thinking about how it started and where we're at now. Thank you. Yes, Eric. Thanks for your service. Thanks for your service. Thanks for coming. Did you do the same thing? Yeah, my name's Eric Meyer on 9-11. I was in the shop at Transworld Airlines at St. Louis at the International Airport in Lambert. I was in the MD-80,

13:37overhaul facility. I just got done putting my cup of coffee and my job that I printed off on a zerox machine to go climb up on the airplane. And buddy of mine is retired here for us. He goes, hey, Eric, I just dropped a bomb between tires. I wasn't sure what that was. We all wanted to wake room, watch it on TV, about 10 to 12 minutes. And then I turned the corner, walked out, so I better get back to work. And as I glanced over to TV again, the second plane hit, and we got on the story short, about eight months later, I was in Rice Petty, water, and the Missouri Shoeepec Afghanistan. And I stayed in the Armory Reserve in under 16 years. We tied the Sarge Major at 40 years service all together as a long story, too long for this radio interview. But I'm a 67-year-old guy and flying to flag for the older guys and the older veterans. Thank you very much. Thank you, guys. Really appreciate it. That's great. Yeah. And we talked to them for quite a bit

14:40after we stopped taping them. And I was like, I wish I would have kept rolling. But then I felt bad like restarting it. But they were both so wonderful to talk to. And I'm so glad that you noticed them, Dave, because Dave just has a six sense. He's like, I bet they'd be good to talk to. And they definitely, definitely were. Yeah. John here, who is a firefighter in St. Louis City, I was easy to spot because he was in full gear the whole thing. Oh wow. And Rachel and I caught up to him. And he just hadn't he had an aura, didn't he? Yeah. He had an aura about him. So my name is John Fisher. I'm a member of the St. Louis Fire Department assigned truck 30. I was 16 years old when the planes flew into the World Trade Center. A lot of my friends joined the military because of what happened that day. A lot of those guys never made it home. I was medically ineligible for military service. I figured the fire service was going to be the

15:45next best thing. So I'm walking today to honor just not the first responders in the military, but all the civilians that lost their lives that day. And shout out to my fellow Aayu grad, Tom Ackerman. Love you, dude. There you go. Not just a firefighter, but an Ackerman friend. So you are in full gear as are many of your brothers and sisters. For the mere mortals out there, like me, what is this like to walk this far and this much gear? Well, it'll never compare to what those individuals had to do that day, but they just kept on going. And this is just a one way for us to kind of kind of pay similar tribute to that. So for someone like me who's never served, people like you are superhuman are the firefighters on 9-11 that day who went up instead of going down. Are they the same to people like you? Inspirations. Absolutely. And I'll share just one quick story.

16:49There was a captain of three truck, a gentleman by the name of Captain Patty Brown. And when they were ordered to evacuate the towers, he said that he blatantly refused that order. And he said it multiple times. And there's an audio of that available on YouTube internet. You name it. Thank you for talking to us. Thank you for your service. We appreciate it all. This is thanks to Lon. Yes. Well, what we can do for members of the media like you just continue to educate the generations behind us. There's a gentleman on my crew who is only three years old when this happened. And he doesn't quite have a complete understanding of what happened that day. So never forgetting means never forgetting. And if folks like you and the TV news and radio and all that good stuff can keep sharing the stories. I'll go a long way. Thank you. So great. Yeah. It is an interesting perspective to hearing about the younger, not just

17:53you are a firefighter, but people that were just little on that day that didn't get it versus people that I don't know what age you have to be to kind of understand it. 10, 11, 12 maybe and older. Because when you're younger, you just, you know, hard to see. But it's interesting that we still have to explain this to like that next generation of kids. Because to me, that's what JFK is to me. I didn't see it. I wasn't around. You were too little, you know, like you'd learn those things later. And I think it's interesting that you know, you've got full grown adults that really didn't experience that. 100 million Americans who weren't around. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be interesting for the next generations. Well, I hope you enjoyed that. Really glad we did that. It was, it was just I hope you can feel it because you're walking down the road with 200 and 250 other people. All these people carrying flags people in full firefighting gear and then to talk to the real heroes was just amazing. We're going to continue to do this for about 90 minutes and we'll kind of pivot into a more normal DGS show. Welcome back guys. DGS on KMO X.

19:01Thanks for being with us today on this 25th commemoration of the attacks on 9-11. We have Fred bottomer with us who was on KMO X on that day. And we're just kind of comparing notes because we were both on the air that day. So thanks for coming down. Appreciate it. Oh, you're welcome. Thanks for asking me and tell me whenever you want to tell me. So that day that morning, I mean, all of us will remember where we were. I was at home with my wife and two young boys who Shane is was four at the time and Noah was two at the time. And it was like around breakfast time. And I was watching television news. I guess it's just today's show or something like that when they broke in with the life coverage of it. And my son Shane was four. It was like right next to me watching it. It's like dad. What's you know. And right away my wife was like get him away from the TV. So we got him away from the TV. And I watched a little bit of it. And then I had to take him to preschool. So I drove him to Notre Dame preschool at Jefferson Barracks. And took my other son,

20:05Noah with me in a little pumpkin seat sort of carry on thing. He was almost two. And I guess he was bigger than that. But when we got there to the to the preschool, all the nuns at Notre Dame were in a circle with the parents and the kids praying. So that image will always stay with me. You know, walking into that and then everyone getting in a circle and praying. So that was interesting. Then I drove Noah to work to daycare. And then dropped him off a daycare. Then I went to come down to Camelwex. And you know, at that time we were down in the Gateway Tower right by the riverfront. And we would park like maybe five blocks away and walk up. And that was like the longest walk of my life to get from the parking lot up to the building. And at that time, I don't know if it had started or not. But I just noticed how quiet the skies were. No planes

21:09going overhead. Not that I would have ever noticed. But it just stood out to me how quiet it was. When I got into work, you just walked into the newsroom, walked into the studio. And everyone was you know, listening to the CBS live coverage of it. And then we knew we needed to do local coverage. So we, you know, I grabbed the board. I guess it's the 2000 version of a whiteboard. But it was just paper. You flip the paper back and forth. And the other two executive producers, Peggy Kohel, Chris Myhill and I got together and we just unloaded our brains and our contacts and wrote every possible person with their phone numbers on these sheets. And we had pages and pages and pages. And then started calling people, people in New York, people, you know, law makers, reporters,

22:12com, you know, social commentators, just just anyone we could think of. And we started getting people on the air and then getting them to come join us live and tell us what they were seeing, what they were hearing. And our coverage during that time, from what I can remember, I believe we did more local coverage than we did network coverage. We kind of used the CBS coverage as a fill-in when we were waiting on a guest to show up. Not that the CBS coverage wasn't you know, so good with reporters live on the scene. And we tried to get back to a lot of that. You know, when you knew something big was about to happen. So that was like you said, it was a long, long day, everyone, the newsroom, all the hosts, everyone took part, everyone just added what they knew. And it just, you know, we just had to provide coverage to the listeners. Another thing I can remember, if I'm not talking too long, no, no. Another thing I remember is that the next the following

23:17day to try and make things seem a little bit more normal. Jack Buck hosted afternoon drive with John Carney. Yeah, with John Carney. And so it kind of just put things into a little bit more perspective as much as you could at a time like that. I love to hear that. Yeah. Yeah, we would, too. I was trying to find it. And John had been talking with me about let's find it. I just couldn't find it. You needed Jack Buck's back then. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're right. And we started, I organized then for that weekend, the big memorial interfaith prayer service at Forest Park on the weekend with we had Archbishop Justin Rogali, rabbi Jeffrey Stiffman, Imam Muhammad Abdul-Anur, all the interfaith leaders showed up and hundreds, probably thousands of

24:26people showed up in Forest Park over the weekend for that prayer service. And that was a lead by K. M. O'Wex. So that's something that stands out in my mind that we did. Unusual and funny coincidence of all of this story is that my two sons, Noah who was two and Shane who was four today, Noah works at the Pentagon. And he works in the office that was hit by the plane. Oh, wow. So, you know, when I've gone there to visit him and you get into the Pentagon, and you travel around the Pentagon inside, there's a chapel there. They've re, you know, obviously they've rebuilt it, but there's a special chapel there that you can go into. And they've got this memory book that you can flip through the pages and see the bios of everyone that was killed in the Pentagon that day. And that's very touching. And it's right outside Noah's office where he is now.

25:26And then my other son, Shane, who was four at the time now works at in the World Trade Center Building Number four. You've got to be kidding me. So he's there today as well, you know, in New York City, watching everything that's going on from his office. Noah is at the White House. He was at President Trump's speech in the courtyard earlier this morning. So they're seeing, you know, what they experienced when they were tiny, tiny kids. And now it's an everyday thing for them every day. I didn't know that about your sons. Yeah, it should. So it's pretty crazy. Fred, you've had a long career. I think a lot of people look at 9-11 as a turning point in so many ways in culture. I mean, just look at the way we get on an airplane now, right? Versus as prior to that. As someone who's been in broadcast media for as long as you have been, what's the the starkest

26:27difference that you noticed after 9-11? If you notice one that, you know, comes to mind. You know, well, you know, the security is probably, I mean, the creation of TSA. You know, I don't think we really had much of anything like that before. So that stance out is the biggest thing. I just felt, you know, everyone seemed to be part of a family then. You you wonder today could it happen that way? You know, are the divisions too deep? Yeah, I was on with Annie at 1230 today and we talked about that. And it said, I don't think it's because of 9-11 that our discourse, especially political discourse, has become so raw and violent.

27:28But it's happened alongside it to be sure. And my analogy to Annie was growing up in South Roxana. I had to learn to fight. And there's a process to fighting. And you talk and you puff your chest and then you threaten and eventually maybe some unthrows a punch. And my analogy was political discourse. Everyone just throws a punch. No one talks. No one puffs their chest. We just throw punches now. And I'm still not used to that after 26 years of doing this. I'm much more of a talker and a thinker. And I'm just still not used to just taking punches right off the bat when it comes to that. And I think that's been a big change that I don't think it's because of 9-11. But it's sad that it has been since 9-11. I'm curious, Dave. Tell me what it was like for you because you manned the 9-7-1 KFTK coverage that day. So different from yours. So different. Like you talk about having this team and I'm calling this guy and I'm calling this guy.

28:32And at that point, I hadn't even been doing radio a year. And I was on 4pm to 6pm, I think. And I was in court doing a trial. And that was quickly put to an end. And I came down to the office 10-10-15. And back then I was the only live talent. It was all syndicated. And Jeff Allen said, we need you to get on the air. And I'm like, to do what? And he's like, no, you're our guy. You're going to host this. And so I did. And it was just me and producer Tom doing our best and taking phone calls and trying to get gas. But we were not the machine like KMLX was. We were just very see the pants. And at some point they simled cast me on all the other imitations. So it's on KG in the point 96-3. And I think Tom and I pulled out of the parking lot that night at 10pm or 11pm. But we're on for a solid 10 or 12 hours. And you have a network help network

29:36coverage to go to your if we just have to talk and get gas. Pretty much talking and and God. And there's so many people who found the show that day, Brian M. who's one of our consistent people on the stream said that that was his first day hearing the show because everyone was freaking out. And there weren't that many talk stations, right? KMLX. And we were not even a year into being 97-1. But people poked around, heard a voice mine. And and thankfully a lot of them stayed with me over the years. But yeah, that was that was quite a day. And I'd like to think that radio still has that importance for that instant knowledge like when something happens, people will turn to radio to get the information because they may not near a television or they domain to have to want to get a point on the internet or on their phone. Right. We didn't have computers in our pockets. Right. Yeah. That's so true. It's crazy. And we couldn't get a whole of each other the way

30:36that you you couldn't text and say, Hey, now, right. And I remember one of my most vivid memories is I'd been on the air for a couple of hours. And I walked outside on a break and I looked up into the sky and of course, saw nothing. And for the first time in my life, I was really afraid. Like afraid in a way, I had never even contemplated before because I never served in the military. I don't know what that kind of fear is like. I'd had normal life fear. I didn't think that a plane was going to crash on Union Station or they're going to blow up the archbite. I didn't know. We didn't know. Right. Is this the first day of many days? And I will never forget that being 36 years old and having an emotion for the very first time in my life. I also am kind of in awe in how it was all handled by President Bush. Me too. I think that was just things which one of him

31:38as a president. I thought he handled it great. Yeah. From from flying around and making it back to DC eventually to address the nation, you know, to climbing up on that fire engine a couple days later. Remember it's talking with the bullhorn. Just amazing things. And you made a great point when I was on with her as I was telling my story. And I said that I wasn't I wasn't prepared. And she said, Dave, who was? Who is prepared? Whatever your job, whether you're a radio guy, a firefighter, a politician, a school teacher, a parent, who is ready? None of us. It was just you with your little boys. Right. You just do it. Do it. Do it. You do. Right. Yeah. And strange to think about right because nothing like that had happened before. I mean, Pearl Harbor, but Pearl Harbor is not New York City. You know, I mean, it's one of the 50 states, but I mean, it's kind of off on its own. And that was out of time where

32:40you couldn't detect that those things as easily. But it's the closest comparable, right? Oh, I think so. We've never had anything else other than the Civil War, which was us against each other. Never had anything like that before on the on like the main land United States. Not in my life. No. Thank you, Fred. Oh, you're welcome. Thank you, everybody. Welcome back guys. DGS on KMOax. Thanks for joining us on this very important day. 25th anniversary of 9-11. We have Sarah with this who is the manager at Eckerts in Mill Stott. And they are doing their great corn maze. It commemorates the 25th anniversary of September 11th. Hello, Sarah. Hi. How are you? I'm doing fine. And I'm a veteran of lashes farms. I don't know if you familiar with that at all back in the olden days. But I am not. I'm sorry. Yeah. And we kind of

33:43did the same thing you guys did on a smaller scale. So familiar with mazes and such. Tell us about Eckerts in general and then tell us about what you're doing to commemorate the 25th anniversary. Okay. Well, so Eckerts is, you know, we're known right now this time of year for fall. A lot of visitors come to our farms for Apple and pumpkin picking. They have that fall tradition of, you know, riding the wagons out to our orchards and fields to get those fall items for their homes and just make those family memories year after year. But specifically at Mill Stott, we do always have a corn maze every year that we design for something that's kind of relevant at the time. This year we decided on September 11th anniversary. It kind of didn't really ring with all of us that it was the 25th anniversary once we started thinking of what we wanted to do this year. And we just thought, well, that's a great thing that we should honor. I am just recognize and

34:50those that lost their lives and that continue to serve our communities. What did you do with the corn maze? How is it 9-11 ask? Sure. So it features the design, the big thing in the corn maze is a statue of liberty. She's holding a torch. There's a waving American flag, stars in different places on the maze. And then the word 9-11 along with 25th is designed in there as well. So we tried to hit all the points in the maze. It's eight acres. So it's not huge but not small either. So lots of room to put all those design features in it. And then coming up next weekend, you have heroes that want us to weekend attribute to local first responders, military veterans. Right. So those active and retired first responders do get complimentary admission on that weekend, 19th and 20th. Just need a valid ID. They get in free for the day. We also are donating a dollar from every paid admission to backstoppers,

35:55which does support those families of fallen police officers, firefighters. And then we're also having like a touch of truck event on Saturday for kids to come out and view and explore police and fire trucks and ambulance and things like that. Which that's always fun for them too. Very cool. Sarah, thanks for joining us. Good luck in the next few weeks. Enjoy this time. Appreciate it. Thank you so much for having us. Yeah, and I kind of want to go to the touch of truck event. That's you got love records. Yeah, they had a fire truck out at Mike Duffy's getting ready for the most of our today. And I was going to have to like, yeah, yeah, that was pretty cool. Like having the the police escort. That was extremely cool. And the fire trucks and and I'm losing track of what we've said in this hour. But if I haven't, if I already said I apologize, but when Rachel and I were on the march to the arch, it was humbling the way people reacted to the people who were walking.

36:59And we were on the younger end. Yeah, I mean, there are definitely people of all age groups. But a lot of people, yeah, for sure. Yeah. And people were just stopping and saluting the firefighters. It was super, super cool. And Kevin, when we come back, I want to hear your story. You were at the first baseball game back. One of them. Yeah, yeah. They came back and it was, but it was not here. That was it, which is not the experience. I didn't get to experience jack buck reading the poem and doing that. But it's a little bit different setting, yeah. Yeah.