Alvin Reid is here, and Dave Murray's weekend forecast!- h3

0:00We'll have heard some people talking just the other day. Welcome back guys, DGS on Cat MoX, few minutes past 3pm. Thank you as always, but especially today for hanging with us on this 25th anniversary of 9-11. And all day the shows have been paying homage to those that we lost in the first responders who did all that they could do and just even people just all over the country. It wasn't just in New York, it was all over the country. Alvin re-joins this. How are you, my brother? I'm fine. I'm fine, man. Tell me your story. I don't know what you were doing. Okay. My story was I had just left my house and at the time my oldest was two and my youngest was about eight months. So I just kind of tooled around the house and I left.

1:00And I do believe I had on CamoX, but I'm not sure. And they were first reporting that a plane had hit one of the towers. Did not know it was a jet. Just a plane hit. My first thought was like, I could see that happening. Fog, whatever. So about the time that I got to work right then the second plane hit and at which point I said like, this is not obviously something is going on. But where we were on Lendle at the time, I was able to look north and what you saw was every plane that was anywhere near St. Louis was coming down. And I'll never forget, you're close enough where you could literally see what the type plane it is and like, you know, a sasdom with land. And then here's the 747 Liff Tonsley. It's like, we don't even have Liff Tonsley here. So then before they even announced that they had grounded off lights, it was like, I was

2:01just looking and saying like, all flights are coming out of the air. They have they have ordered them to the ground and the, you know, the epic proportion of what was going on was suddenly. It just hit you. Even while these buildings are smoldering the head and even collapse yet, you do that. Something horrible, horrible is really happening right now. And I'll share this story with you. I don't know if they called it identity theft at the time, but I was, I had covered the, that night I was going to do the gold glove banquet in New York. And this was in 1993. And we went, friend of mine and I went and had drinks. I paid for it on a credit card. I got back to Washington DC. They said, it was free. Did you buy like stereo equipment and stuff like, what do you really, and no, I went to windows on the world at the World Trade Center. That was the only time I was ever in there looked out on all New York and all the world

3:02and eight years later that happened. But I said, like, I've been there and have just had I been in there that day. I, you know, so many stories. I mean, anything like this and this is going to happen. And so many stories of, you know, who was supposed to be on flight seven years, yes, yes, you know, and one of the stories on TikTok, there's this pilot. I forget his name, Mike or something. My age a little bit older. And he's interesting. You know, he'll talk about Captain things. And he said, people have asked me to tell my 9-11 story. And I've watched the whole thing. He was supposed to be the pilot on one of the flights. Jason. He described how you find out you have a flight and you're on this computer. And there's your name. And he said, I was getting ready for it. Then I before telling my wife, I'll be flying from here to there. And then he said, like 11 p.m. Someone else's name was there on the manifest. And, you know, it's a little weird, but it happens.

4:03And he's like, okay, well, fine. I just lost that flight. Maybe I'll pick up another one. But just things like that. Yeah. It's like damn. And here's another thing too. And this is going to be the dumbest thing I say all day. But time has a way of water coloring things. Yes. Even horrific things. Yes. But watching the footage again, especially of the people hanging out the windows. Yeah. Well, you had to make a choice. Yes. And the people who made the choice to jump. Right. And then just it's truly even sitting here. 25 years later and being a 62 year old man, it's literally unimaginable for me. Having not been down there, what the people went through, standing on those piles, looking for human remains, yeah, breathing in the toxins. Right. You know, they had the alarms, right? The fire fighters and I didn't have alarms on them.

5:05So if they stop moving, an alarm goes off and they were like everywhere. Yeah. Know that before. Yeah. I just heard that last night wheels. Yeah. And just. And then the situation as it was, I think literally what's they came down within four or five hours, that whole thing that was going down, I think the choice was that I'm going to do this. I'm not going to run away from this because one, I'm alive. And so I can't, I just can't, you know, I can't turn my back on this. I know story. I had a friend who lived up there. Got him, Jim Horton grew up here in Afton. We were very close friends and he didn't, you know, he wasn't at there. But he told me the story about I, many of us walked. 50 blocks. There was no way to get home and all we could do was just walk home. Just get away. So they literally walked from like Manhattan to wherever they lived. It's beyond about three hours home.

6:07And it just that day, you know, obviously we always will remember it. But the stories were, and I think that. New York, especially everybody's got story. And everybody was, could tell you who was lost that they had connection with or were related to and all that. And another discussion I had this morning was how long did it take for all that to go away? I said four years. Just like a presidential administration or whatever, like four years later. It was a terrible thing. But by the time we had the fifth anniversary, every American wasn't an American. And we didn't love each other the way we did on September the 12th. And that still bothers me. It really does. So you would have thought that would have been a forever thing. Do you think it got away from us for a reason? Or is that just human nature? 50, 50 politics and then human nature.

7:08And not that we want to forget, but it's just like you just, you just move on. And it's kind of sad. But, you know, tragic things have happened, you know, to many of us. And it's not like you forget it, but it just, you just kind of time heals all wounds. I guess the best way to say it. Some one aspect of this that I've never heard anyone talk about that. Maybe I shouldn't talk about, but it's complicated for me is that I think we should remember. I think we should commemorate. I have no problem with what we do. I don't like the idea of the people who did it, whoever's left or the people who came in their footsteps, taking glee in our sorrow. Does that make sense? It does. I never want to give them too much where they're like, I can't wait for September 11th. I love that day watching these people move and you know what? And they don't, like it's 25th anniversary.

8:10So those people are getting some joy out of it today. But every other year, it's just something in September 11th. So even ourselves, a lot more attention is being paid today because this is 25th anniversary. Right. Right. Like you look like your 17th wedding anniversary. You know, we love our wives. We love our right. But our 17th wedding anniversary is not our 25th wedding anniversary. So I get that. I get that. I also think that the deeper thing too is that even on these days, normal life continues. Yeah. Like that's that's our victory. Right. Like yeah, you did. And a lot of dumb things were done after that fact. You know, that cost us more American lives and more lives and overseas and lots of money and all kinds of things. But yeah, I think the day to day, we are still what we are. Like it didn't change that. Yeah. I was saying, I've never been to the, I've never been to Hawaii. So I have been to the Arizona.

9:10And I've heard people are quiet. You know, they're, they're it's not just like, you know, you go to Lincoln Memorial and Jeff's Memorial. I people all loud and classes and all, you know, it's all that Vietnam Memorial. Same way. I was asking because I had not since it's been finished. I had not been to the 911 museum and all that and they say people are are really quiet and there. And I, I appreciate that. Okay. And but like I say, as time goes by and you have generations, or at least two, three now, that like you weren't alive, it was something terrible that happened that they didn't experience. I didn't experience World War II. I think to myself, what was it like living in America when all this was going on? And there was really dark days, you know, and like, like it is my son is my, is my husband is, are they coming home? And I'm hearing these terrible things and all of that is like, all you, all you could do was persevere. And so I, I get it where you don't take it, you don't cloud yourself from it, but you got to keep, you know,

10:16just living like you're everyday life. And that's, I think afterwards life went on and that was those were the first steps into like, not forgetting, but you have to, but you have to have a remembrance because it's not like we're still, that wound is still open. Yeah. Well said, well said. Welcome back to you, Jason, Camel X 321 day Murray will join us at his regular time, 335. At 430, we'll replay the first half hour of the show today where we did some interviews. Ray Chennai did the first few miles in the march to the arch to commemorate 911 and we decided to use our time doing some interviews with some of our fellow walkers and they were very, very interesting people. And I think you'll really get something out of listening that will replay at 430. Let's talk a little baseball.

11:17We're talking to Bernie about the 2016 teams team. You're just making a great point. We're just talking about like stuff we're good at stuff we're not. And you are making the point that everyone has an opinion on who the reliever should be. This inning and Marmal is such a friggin idiot. But he knows stuff we don't know. Yeah. It's like, dude, if you were at his job, you'd make some of the exact same decisions that that he does. If you even understood it, right. If you do, it's like, right, you say, you know what? I know this next two innings is important, but I'm, we got to play another two weeks. And I'm not talking about now. I'm like the two weeks in the middle of the season and things like that. It's if we were dealt the hand that he was, we would all have a little bit different say on what we see going on on the diamond. I mean, if a guy comes up out and blows up in the seventh of the eighth inning, technically it's not his fault. But oh, he should have never brought him in and said, well, who are you going to bring in?

12:20What were you going to do? What was your strategy other than to complain that somebody didn't get the job done? It's, it's, it's a tough job and it's a 162 game job. Even more than that going back to spring training, it's a job that must be done with constraints of what the organization says you can and can't do. So it's, it's like, I would love it. It's the only game where you, if they're following in the album, you got, you got to manage the carnal tonight. I'd say cool. I'd go down there and do my best to manage the carnal tonight. I couldn't do that with an NBA franchise. I couldn't do that with a National Football League franchise. I couldn't do that devil with a MLS franchise. I don't know, but this is one game I do know, but I know enough about that game to tell you that like, y'all have to time. Y'all don't know what y'all talking about, right? And the, the decisions that Ali makes that we bitch about had they gone the other way, he'd look like a genius. Or they wouldn't, that was a genius move by Ali Marmal.

13:20That, that never, you know, comes up. Wheels, would you expect him to be signed to another extension? Here he is. He got one in March. So, yeah, did he, I thought there's like a year or more. There's a March and it's two prior. So he'll be here next year. Yeah, he's, he's got a few years and he's going to be around. And I think we over, there's the two things that bother me most in these conversations. There are plenty, look, we, we got Bernie criticizes Ali and the front office. I do. Matt does, Tom does like we all do, but we keep, if you're going to do it, you want to make sure you have all of those things in mind. Yes. Right. So we fixate too much on an in game decision. Like, why is this guy pinch hitting or why is that guy? Those are the things that are less easy to criticize because of what Alvin saying, like what you don't know, but it doesn't mean you can't criticize it. You got to pay attention. You got to pay attention to the team. And my biggest advice to people is you need to watch baseball, not just St. Louis Cardinals. Watch all baseball.

14:21You need to pay attention to this because this is happening in another city. This is happening in 29 other cities, the same conversations. And if you paid attention, you would know, okay, this is the state of the sport. This is not something I want to yell at a particular person about. Exactly right. He's exactly right. I'll share this story and I, I, I, um, Charles Bartley told the story one time. And I've been, I was at he said, like, hey, look, everybody talks about this. And he's pro athletes and all that. He said, like, if we had like back to back games, all right, we're flying. And he said, me, Clyde, Clyde Drexler, uh, he came sitting in the back of the plane. Okay. He said, Rudy time jazz would come back and he'd have like a little no paddy. So like, all right, what can you give me tomorrow? And they were telling him, so like, I got about 12 good minutes coach. Hmm. And they just lay it out right there. And so he'd go back up into playing. And you know, I'm sure he would hear about it when they lost by three points to some inferior team. On that second night, and he didn't come in and say, like, look, I got honest answers from my guys.

15:25And I set up my rotation based on the honest answers from my guys. We didn't know that. So like, well, why Charles Bartley not play 10 minutes in the third quarter or wide. So such, such, such, right. Even thing like, oh, they weren't being lazy. They weren't being there. They were just being honest like this is what I got. And so like if a pitcher tells you, I got five or six badgers. Okay. He knows that. And he said, like, why didn't you send Alvin back out there? He sat down three in a row. He said, well, I'm told me like, hey, I got you the three that you needed. I ain't got three more. What do you guys think is going to happen, Mizzou KU? But that line dropped four point four and a half. I don't really understand it. I think Mizzou recovers. But maybe somebody knows something I don't. Did you guys see the hype video that Kansas put out? No, I did not. Oh boy. What is it? Good or bad? Well, it's got people. Let's put some of this way. It's got people feeling certain kind of ways. So it's, it's Ken's KU football, their official account put it out.

16:27I don't know who made it, but probably somebody on the staff, right? Right. And it's just, you know, you typical go like this is a rivalry in the history of the two. But it brought in like you sided with slavery on the Mizzou side. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, I wouldn't have gone there over the football game. This is what I'm saying. Let me have that. Like that's, that's a bit much for a football. Yeah. Now when we have the conversation, I said, like, man, the whole sack of lards and that whole thing now, all that stuff really happened. Okay. Yeah. And that technically that's what fueled this rivalry when it first started. Because by definition, you still have people that were alive. But can you, can you put out, put this out on their own? This is the Kansas football Twitter account says it is that deep. And then puts this video up there where the again, the video is talking about the civil war and slavery. And you were on the side of slavery and it's like, Lord, okay, guys, it's a football game. Right. And I will say this. I think part of that is, and I said this on a station earlier today, the fervor that

17:33I brought anti Missouri because I was working, you know, and at KU, it really got whipped to a frenzy because my freshman year, when I, or the first year, I was a football manager. Kalim Winslow, Phil Brown, and they were all there. They had a style by like 32 points. They threw the bomb, put up like a 45 yard touchdown on us with like three minutes left in the game. And I was standing on the side line and it dawned and I'm like, man, I hate these so and so's too. And I'm from say, look, I cheer for Missouri. Right. Man, that was messed up. Okay. I got it. The whole Civil War thing, if you know, you know, you know, you history and all that. Yeah. That was a for real thing. All right. But it's a, I heartening back to that as to the reason why I want to beat Missouri in a football. I'm going to look at my history because I don't know, I don't know about it. Well, the J Hawkers and then the whole like, like, track wheels, raiders came over and Quantles raiders came over and killed a bunch of people, Lars was raping folks and all of that. That was Civil War. Okay. But I mean, yeah, you know, playing football, y'all, gosh, man.

18:39And it really goes back to big eight because there were eight schools. And you played them twice in basketball, you played them once in football. So that was the rivalry to me. Thank you, brother. Have a great weekend. We're going to talk today, Marie here. That's sponsored by Avalite Thrift Shop. Something good is now open in St. Peter's Avalite Thrift Shop, 41-22 Mexico Road, Monday through Friday, 9-6, Saturday, 9-5. You can shop with purpose and support adults with developmental disabilities right here at home. Welcome back, guys. DGS and KamoX, 335. Thank you for hanging out with us today. No one needs to feel bad for us, but it is a weird day for broadcasters, especially doing four hours of content because you don't know how much to talk about 9-11. You obviously want to be respectful.

19:40You don't want it to be, you know, Jolly Rancher Grabass kind of show. But four hours is a long time. Talk about 9-11. So what we've been doing after the first 90 minutes is having regular guests, you know, Bernie McLeese and Alvin was just on Dave's with us now and talk about their experiences and then talk about what we're going to talk about. So they will do the weather forecast. But first day, I know that New York is obviously a big part of your life. I don't think I know- Part of it. I don't think I know your 9-11 story. I would love to hear what was going on that morning. I have two. One is that- and the most important is that my brother who lived in Connecticut, but his office was in New York and he was kind of in and out all the time. He flew around a lot. He was in the paper business. And he had a meeting scheduled that morning at the World Trade Center. And for whatever reason, he got a late start, missed the train.

20:42And he was like, you know, it's okay. I can still make the meeting. I'll just let him know I'm late. And of course, never got on the train, never went down to the World Trade Center because it all happened in that time frame of catching one train versus catching another. Nuts. Yeah. It was really, really nuts. As far as me that morning, I was getting ready to do radio in the morning, had not turned the TV on, had not done anything. I just checked the weather and was ready to go, put the headset on, dialed in, and I was hearing all this stuff about New York, had no idea what was going on. And while I was waiting, a buddy of mine came over with- he was bringing me some tickets to the BMW Classic at Bell Rift. And he said, I've got your tickets. I don't think this event's going to happen this weekend. But here you go. Have you seen what's going on? And I said, no. And so I turned the TV on, yelled upstairs, Janus, put the TV on, look what's going on.

21:47And it was just really the state of shock for a couple of hours. And did not even feel like going into work because, you know, weather was very non-important. At that point, like almost everything was non-important. As long as you knew where your family was. And then a couple, our son was going to college at that point, freshman year, was going out to USC. He was already out there and we were supposed to travel like three weeks later to parents weekend to see him. And we were just positive that LA was going to be the next target. And we decided, though, yeah, we went by and nobody was flung, nobody was doing anything. And we just decided, you know what, we're going to get on a plane and go see our son. Just because that's what we needed to do. So, yeah. What was it like flying during that time, Dave?

22:49Nobody on the plane. Right. The hotel that we stayed in down in Orange County, not in LA, had opened up like, hmm, three months prior. And, you know, a fairly big hotel. We were one of two couples in the entire hotel. Wow. I mean, you go down to the pool. You know, the only one, Janus actually had to go up to LA to meet a friend. And I was sitting by the pool. I was the only one there. And at dinner time, we went down to the beach club of this hotel. We were the only ones there, two people. That was it. I mean, everybody, thankful you were there. But, you know, locals weren't traveling. Right. People were not, nobody was doing anything. And, you know, we know the rest from there. We didn't have a second attack. Or, I guess you could say a fourth attack.

23:49And just thankful that we did it. But it was very weird. It was a very weird weekend. Yeah. Dave, you're still right about being in the media. This 9-11, the day of was just such a thing. And we all just, we made it through. Yeah. But the two or three weeks after that, for media people, was so strange because you just didn't know what to do. You didn't know what to say. And at the time, I was doing, at that point, I'd pretty much gone all in on comedy. And so that's about all I had to say. You know, it was just funny stuff. And we're all watching each other, right? And I remember the onion was the first one I saw came out with a quote unquote funny headline. And then Letterman finally came out and did what he did. And we were talking about Jack Buck, what he did on the first cardinals game back. And very slowly, very slowly, we all kind of sheepishly came out of the dark and started

24:54talking again. And but it took a while. It took a long time because I think back in everybody's mind, it was, when is this going to happen again? Yeah. Now, now that we know it's possible. Yeah. If this could happen to that extent, that boy, when is it going to happen? You know, I learned something else and I promise you, I'm not casting aspersions in anyone. But I didn't realize until last night, I was watching a special that they were showing the actual video of the hijackers coming through the checkpoints. And they're like, this is Muhammad blah, blah, blah. And he sets off the first metal detector. And so they take him to the second station to be wandered and he failed that one too. But they let him through. You know, it was such a, and it happened. I had not heard that. Yeah, it happened with many of the hijackers where they, they set off the system because they had box cutters on their person.

25:55But we just, it was a different time. You weren't looking at everyone the way they, we look at them now. Right, right. Right. But that was troubling just to know like, oh man, this, this didn't have to happen. The other thing I know has been 25 years, but what, what I really, really miss is the unity that this country pulled together. Yeah. Didn't matter who you were. It was, we were now there for a common cause. And we've lost that. That's, that's been gone a long time. Yeah. I wish it would come back. Not that way, but I wish it would come back. I do too. I think it's going to take rage and Andrew's generation, maybe even Phoebe's, maybe even your grandson, you know, who knows how long that takes. Yeah, it may take that long. It might take that long. It may never happen. Yeah. Dave tells about the weekend weather. Okay. We're, we're kind of cloudy right now. As Roger mentioned, it's a little gloomy out there, but there's nothing on radar. Google partly clouding. I'd be optimistic tonight. It's okay.

26:5669 for the low Saturday and Sunday, kind of instant replay. Partly sunny skies. Be a lot of dry time, but there's enough moisture in the air that could pop in afternoon thunderstorm. Very, very limited, really tough to find about 88, 89 for high temperatures over the weekend. Then it starts to come back for a couple of days next week. Monday, partly sunny, still a chance of a spot storm, but 92 on Monday, 96 on Tuesday, Wednesday, 93 degrees. We should be back in the 80s, come Thursday and Friday of next week. We really have to get through all of next week before we can maybe put a fork into this heat. Yeah. Not just to kiss your ass, but you kind of called that on the phone with the cast. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Now I'm okay with that. Okay. It always feels good. I know it does. He's done it for a long time. Dave, we appreciate you. Thank you very much, pal. You got it. All right. Welcome back, guys.

27:58D&G S on K and the wax. Thanks for hanging out with us today. Bill on the stream says, if you heard the Adam Wainwright 9-11 story and I had not, and Wheeler just told me, can you quickly tell it to the folks? Yeah. I won't be able to do it as well as Wayne O has done it over the time, but this, it's been like, dare cold road about it. I want to say that it was 2011, 10, 11, 12 where that was actually like printed in the post a spatch, but Wayne O was a minor leager at that time. So the season ended at the end of August for minor leagers and he was a low level minor leager for the brave. So there would have been no call up or anything like that. And I guess he and his brother, Tray, had planned a visit to New York to go see the Yankees play watch Roger Clemens pitch and then go to Cooperstown the day after that. Well, the day they were going to see the game, I think was the 10th and it was rained out. So they didn't end up going to the game and instead of following through with their

29:00plans, which my understanding is it was a plan to have breakfast at the World Trade Center at a restaurant at the top of the building with one of their financial advisors with one of Wayne O's financial advisors from Lehman brothers. They just decided to scrap that because they weren't going to go to the game and they started their drive to Cooperstown early. So they could start the next day, you know, a couple hours further in advance of the trip since they weren't going to get to go to the ballgame and that they started getting phone calls from family members panic like, are you guys at the World Trade Center and they were like, no, we're not what's going to then they followed it the whole way. And one of the parts that was really interesting about the story was after their trip in Cooperstown because air travel was shut down, they rented a car to drive back to Georgia, I think it was. And they said something about like for some portion of the trip and hour, whatever, this was days later, they could still see the smoke from World Trade Center just driving down

30:03the highway, just driving to go where they were going to go. Everything we don't discuss very much because the number of souls we'd lost was horrific. But I remember that day before we knew people saying there might have been 30,000, 40,000 people in these building. Oh man. You know, that was the worry that day. Yeah. Like when they, when that started happening, people like tens of thousands of people work in those buildings, but because it was early in the day, it was a fraction of that. Yeah. Even like an hour, hour and a half later, it would have probably been like that. Yeah. Do you guys hear this crazy story about Rick Springfield? So evidently this was in his book, which I interviewed him about a few years ago, but it didn't come up and read the book. But when he was 17 years old, he traveled to Vietnam to entertain the US troops. And they sent him to a small army base, very small out in, you know, the bush.

31:05And he said he was there a couple of days. He really hit it off with the guys. They really were having a good time. And then one night they were attacked by the Vietnam Kong. And he said that they just said, you've got to help. And so he started throwing mortars, which I'm not sure. I guess it's sort of like a hand grenade or something. Oh no, that's what goes into the tube that they shoot up into the US. Maybe he was flipping them to the guys or something. Well, they were dropping them down into like pits and stuff. Okay. Yeah, sometimes they kind of like crack them and then drop them. And so he did that several times. And the next day they said, hey, you got one of them. Like that, the one that you dropped killed one of the Vietnam Kong fighters. And he just talks about like how crazy that's been his whole life to live with that fact that it was combat. He wasn't a soldier. But at that moment, he was, but just saying, you know, I've lived by the majority of my life knowing I took a life that was just weird and just weird to hear Rick Springfield.

32:07Yeah. Killin' someone in the Vietnam. Remember, you saw the movie We Were Soldiers? Yes. And the obviously real story and all that. But that's similar. It's a similar description to what happens to the photojournalist in that. I think Barry Pepper plays him in the movie where he, they're in it. And the guys are like, here you go, buddy, you're in this with us. You're going to have to fight because if you don't, we're probably all, you know, you're probably going to die. So here you go. Here's a gun.