Full Show 9-11-26

0:00Good afternoon, St. Louis DGS 1041 FM KMO X few minutes past one PM. So here we are. 25th anniversary commemoration of the 9-11 attacks before we start start. Let me just give you a little preview. So this is my 25th of these 24th, I guess. And there's no winning doing a radio broadcast on 9-11. Because some people will want you to talk about it for four hours. Some people will want you to talk about it for four minutes. And so what we're going to do is dedicate the first hour, you know, maybe 90 minutes to 9-11 and talking about it and sharing our stories and doing some interviews.

1:01And then somewhere in the 220 to 230 range, we will try to pivot the best we can. The most respectfully we can to a regular show, Bernie McClure's Alvin Reed, that kind of stuff. We'll come back to it. We'll be talking about it throughout the show, but it will be a four hour wall to wall. I just think that's that's the best way to do it. So Rage and I started our day this morning doing about the first four four or five miles of the March to the Arch started out of Mike Duffy's in town and country. They're walking right now. They will finish up at the arch at about 5 30 PM. It's 21 miles. I'm bad at estimating how many people there were, but I know talking to Bo who started this whole thing that it was about double what they've ever had. So that was great. It was pretty amazing just being there with the people. Lots of military people, dozens of firefighters in full gear doing the 21 mile hike, unbelievable.

2:10And Rage and I had the idea as we were walking, well, we have a phone. We have all these people. Why don't we just interview some of them? So we interviewed several gentlemen and we're going to play those for you here in the first half hour or so of the show. Before we start, anyone have anything they want to say anything they want to start out with? I just want to say it was an honor to do a small part of the March to the Arch today. And I kept kind of going back and forth between feeling very sad and emotional and then also kind of overwhelmed with joy at moments too because of just seeing people make the decision to be there and seeing people pull over on the side of the road and wave. People pulled over for us like it was a funeral. Not one person passed us. And as we went over like an overpass, people were honking. Yeah, so it was nice. And it's nice to be able to experience something like that here in St. Louis and know and hopefully people who are affected by it will

3:16see things like this happening all over the country and be moved by that. I also want to bring up the flags of valor on Art Hill is so incredible too. There's just so many ways that the city shows that we're still hurting too and we will not forget. So it's just very nice. Yeah, we'd love to hear from you as well, especially the people on the stream. I don't know how many characters you have to type, but let us know. Where were you in 9-11? What's your biggest memory? Things like that. Also today at the March for the Arch, they had these lanyards of people who lost their life in 9-11. And that's who you walked for. And so James T. Redmond was a firefighter who lost his life on 9-11. And that's who I was walking for. Ray Chad, a firefighter as well. So again, wonderful, wonderful event. I plan to do the whole 21 next year. I'll take the day off the show. And hopefully you guys can join me. Okay. So the first couple of gentlemen we spoke to,

4:20and this is while we're walking down Clayton Road in Town of Country, we're Joe and Jim. They were both air traffic controllers on 9-11. All right guys, we are here on the March to the Arch commemorating 9-11. Here with a couple of my friends who were air traffic controllers at the time. So guys, I'm just going to hand you the phone, introduce yourselves, and then we'll start with Joe and just tell me your 9-11 story. Name's Joe Burke. I worked in the Traycon back in 2001, St. Louis. Very hectic day. Had a lot of planes coming in. Too many planes actually for the airport to handle. It was just a, it was just crazy. It's like we've never seen before. Trying to watch some of this stuff on the TV. We had an opportunity to do it, see what was going on. It was just, it was something else. Long day, hectic day. Word about your family at home. We had to stay at work till the planes were all down.

5:25Eventually all the planes remember this guy had the land. And then it was all quiet for three days afterwards. It was eerie. Something I would never live through. Again, it was a crazy day. You were telling me that there were so many planes that came into St. Louis that weren't scheduled to come into St. Louis. That you were the first to fall from O'Hare. So you guys had tons of planes coming in that you weren't prepared for. Oh yeah, I mean, it was just, I mean, we were, back then, Lambert was busy. We worked a lot of planes, but in this, this was way more than we ever had to work before. It was just planes were all over the place. And you know, we never had that many. And still got still had to follow the rules and get them down and keep them separated. But it was just, it just lasted for a long couple of hours, Jimmy. It was, it was non-stop, one after the other after the other. It was so weird for the rest of us to see no planes in the sky

6:28for several days. How weird was it for you guys? It was strange because we were used to, where he's being busy every day we worked and it was, and it was nothing for three days. And some helicopters, some military planes. And then once they started flying again like four days later, it was, it was slow. It wasn't like it was before. All sorts of different rules we had to go by and planes were further apart coming out. But yeah, it was, it was, it was, you're for sure, if you're using that same word. Did it change the way you guys did your job every day after that? Um, right. We had, they had different procedures for hijack, airplanes that we had to, we had to learn new stuff on that. I mean, I don't know every experience of hijack airplane before in Zalua's I don't think. But after that, they didn't know what was going to happen again. So we had to learn different procedures in case somebody was hijacked, a pilot didn't respond. Um, it was, it was all new to us. What was the, uh, he didn't even ask this, but what was the

7:36vibe, the energy in the tower on that day? Well, I was, Jimmy here was in the tower, I was downstairs, but I'm sure it was, it was pretty hectic. I don't even, was that the new tower, Jimmy or the old tower? So, my name is Jim Hovek. I was working in the tower on September 11. And when the fall call first came in, you know, it was like anything within 150 miles of Lambert's coming to your house, get ready type of thing. And this came all the way down from the White House and through Norad and direct calls. So, you know, you don't usually expect those calls, but when they happen, it's like all hands on deck. Here we go, something big is happening. And even though from downstairs, we knew planes ran into the twin towers and stuff like that. We knew stuff was real. You didn't really know what the next hit was going to be. Was it you? Was it downtown St. Louis, the Transworld dorm or whatever. So, everybody was like kind of scared relatively so. So anyway, all the planes started coming in, Drake on started beckering into the tower. And I distinctly remember

8:40in it getting to be so full, all the gates filled up. We closed taxiways, we closed the runways to Park Plains, no sitale. People, people, yeah, people waited, which people don't realize, up to five hours to get off a plane because there wasn't that many gates or stairs to move things around just the logistics. And I distinctly remember they held a 747 air china plane that was on the way to Chicago and they diverted in the St. Louis and was like, where do you want me to put a 747? We are full. So, he literally landed 30 left and turned off and turned shut his engines off and run away 2-4. And that was it. It was like, we are full. We are completely packed. So, we just watched it and now go, now it's like all the planes are on the ground, but where do we go from here? You see what I'm saying? So, like Joe was saying, for the next three days, it was very eerie. You know, they had the guard on standby, I think I remember Joe and they had

9:41people in the scrambled in the overhead fighter traffic and everything was just grounded. Well, you know, they figured out what was going on. And for an air traffic controller, that was extremely scary because our whole careers were moving planes. Yeah, first time it's ever happened, you don't really prepare for that. And then you never want to see it again because it was a vivid, vivid memory for all of us that were in the tower. So, anyway. What are the dreams about it? No, no. It wasn't traumatic in the fact that it kept you awake at night. Well, maybe the, maybe the first few days, but not now a bit. I'm just saying, it was such an oddity that you couldn't believe that really happened. You see what I'm saying? I'm like, yeah. Didn't feel like a little way. Yeah, I was like, you know, now with AI and stuff, you can see how people could manipulate it. But back then, way before that, it's like, did I really just see what I just saw on TV? Is this a joke? You know. So, anyway, that anyway, that's my story of vivid memory.

10:44So that's why we're out here kind of walking and kind of remembering those days and telling stories. So I'll give it back to you. Thank you, Jimmy. Appreciate it. So, Joe and Jim, who are air traffic controllers in 9-11 and when we come back, we'll play Mike and Eric, who are military guys. The younger of the two was a high school senior, I think, on 9-11 and then joined the army and did several tours. And so we'll hear from them. And then we'll talk to John, who was a firefighter in St. Louis City, who was walking with his full gear and air tanks in the whole bit. Welcome back, guys. DGS on KMO X on 9-11. So the next, this segment here at 4-4-31, 30, we're going to have Fred Bodimer on, who is on KMO X on 9-11. I think it was on KMO X in 18-11. But he's going to tell us his story. Rachel and I did the first little leg of the March to the arch today. Great

11:50honor for the two of us. And we decided to use our time productively and we started recording interviews with some of our fellow walkers. This is Mike and Eric, who were clearly military guys walking with a big heavy ruck sacks on. And we talked to them as well. So my guy there's a retired Sergeant first class army. So all this opportunity, we ended up having the time off this week and don't think I'll ever miss it again. 9-11, I was picking my girlfriend up from high school and don't think we went to school that day. But it made sense and came from a background of military vets and followed suit and now I'm retired and get to do awesome stuff like this with awesome veterans. What does it mean to you as a veteran and was that why you joined after 9-11? That's what caused you to. There's a combination of that and my grandpa had served and been through much worse and I wasn't going to be the soft one that didn't follow suit with.

12:52What does it mean to you looking back 25 years now? How much life he's lived? That's a hell of a question. Been on four different continents, been in a few different deployments and the life I've lived has been insane and been lucky enough to have my amazing wife Rachel follow me through a decade of those adventures and yeah kind of crazy to look back on and thinking about how it started and where we're at now. Thank you. Yes Eric. Thanks for your service. Thanks for coming. You do the same thing. Yeah my name's Eric Meyer on 9-11. I was in the shop at Transworld Airlines at St. Louis at the International Airport in Lambert. I was in the MD-80 overhaul facility. I just got done putting my cup of coffee and my job that I printed off in a Xerox machine to go climb up on the airplane and buddy of mine is retired here for us. He goes, hey Eric they just dropped a bomb between tires. I wasn't sure what that was.

13:53We all wanted to wake room watch it on TV about 10 to 12 minutes and then I turned the corner walked out so I better get back to work and as I glanced over to TV again the second plane hit and make it on a story short about eight months later I was in Rice Petty water in the Missouri Shoeepec Anastana and I stayed in Arbor, he served under 16 years we charged a sergeant major at 40 years service all to get us a long story too long for this radio interview. 67-year-old guy and flying to Flagg for the older guys and the older veterans. Thank you very much. Thank you guys. I appreciate it. I really appreciate it. That great. Yeah and we talked to them for quite a bit after we stopped taping them and I was like I want to get rolling but then I felt bad like restarting it but they were both so so wonderful to talk to and I'm so glad that you noticed them Dave because Dave just has a six cents he's like I bet they'd be good to talk to

14:54and they they definitely definitely were. Yeah John here who is a firefighter in St. Louis City I was easy to spot because he was in full gear the whole thing and Rachel and I caught up to him and he just hadn't he had an aura didn't he? Yeah. He had an aura about him so my name is John Fisher I'm a member of the St. Louis Fire Department assigned truck 30 I was 16 years old when the planes flew into the World Trade Center a lot of my friends joined the military because of what happened that day a lot of those guys never made it home I was medically ineligible for military service figured the fire service was going to be the next best thing so I'm walking today to honor just not the first responders in the military but all the civilians that lost their alive that day and shout out to my fellow IU grad Tom Ackerman. Love you dude. There you go.

16:01Not just a firefighter but an Ackerman friend so you are in full gear as are many of your brothers and sisters for the mere mortals out there like me what is this like to walk this far and this much gear? Well it'll never compare to what those individuals had to do that day but they just kept on going and this is just a one way for us to kind of kind of pay similar tribute to that so for someone like me who's never served people like you are superhuman are the firefighters on 9-11 that day who went up instead of going down are they the same to people like you inspirations? Absolutely and I'll share just one quick story there was a captain of three truck gentlemen by the name of Captain Patty Brown and when they were ordered to evacuate the towers he said that he blatantly refused that order and he said it multiple times and there's

17:03there's audio of that available on YouTube internet you name it. Thank you for talking to us thank you for your service we appreciate it all. Is this thanks to Lon? Yes well what we can do for members of the media like you just continue to educate the generations behind us there's a gentleman on my crew who was only three years old when this happened and he doesn't quite have a complete understanding of what happened that day so never forgetting means never forgetting and if folks like you and the TV news and radio and all that good stuff can keep sharing the stories I'll go a long way thank you. It's so great yeah it isn't interesting perspective to hearing about the younger not just you are a firefighter but people that were just little on that day that didn't get it versus people that I don't know what age you have to be to kind of understand it 10-11-12 maybe and an older because when you're younger you just you know hard to see but it's interesting that

18:07we still have to explain this to like that next generation of kids because to me that's what JFK is to me I didn't see it I wasn't around you were too little you know like you'd learn those things later and I think it's interesting that you know you've got full grown adults that really didn't experience that. 100 million Americans who weren't around yeah yeah yeah it's going to be interesting for for the next generations well I hope you enjoyed that really glad we did that it was it was just I hope you can feel it because you're walking down the road with 250 other people all these people carrying flags people in full firefighting gear and then to talk to the real heroes was just amazing we're going to continue to do this for about 90 minutes and we'll kind of pivot into a more normal DGS show. Welcome back guys DGS on KMOX thanks for being with us today on this 25th commemoration of the attacks on 9 11 we have Fred bottomer with us who was on KMOX on that day

19:13and we're just kind of comparing notes because we were both on the air that day so things are coming down appreciate it. Oh you're welcome thanks for asking me and tell me whenever you want to tell me so that day that morning I mean all of us will remember where we were I was at home with my wife and two young boys her Shane is was four at the time and Noah was two at the time and it was like around breakfast time and I was watching television news I guess it's just today show or something like that when they broke in with the life coverage of it and my son Shane was four it was like right next to me watching it it's like dad what you know and right away my wife was like get him away from the TV so we got him away from the TV and I watched a little bit of it and then I had to take him to preschool so I drove him to Notre Dame preschool at Jefferson barracks and took my other son Noah with me in a little pumpkin seat sort of carry on thing he was almost two and I guess he was bigger than that but when we got there to the to the preschool all the

20:18nuns at Notre Dame were in a circle with the parents and the kids praying so that image will always stay with me you know walking into that and then everyone getting in a circle and praying so so that was interesting I then I drove Noah to work or to daycare and then dropped him off a daycare then I went on to come down to Camelwex and you know at that time we were down in the gateway tower right by the riverfront and we would park like maybe five blocks away and walk up and that was like the longest walk of my life to get from the parking lot up to the building and at that time and I don't know if it had started or not but I just noticed how quiet the skies were no planes going overhead not that I would know if I ever noticed but it just stood out to me how how quiet it was when I got into work you just walked I walked into the newsroom walked into the studio and

21:23everyone was you know listening to the CBS live coverage of it and then we knew we needed to do local coverage so we you know I grabbed the a board I guess it's the 2000 version of a white board but it was just paper you flip flip the paper back and forth and the other two executive producers Peggy co-host Chris Myhill and I got together and we just unloaded our brains and our contacts and wrote every possible person with their phone numbers on these sheets and we had pages and pages and pages and then started calling people people in New York people you know law makers reporters com you know social commentators just just anyone we could think of and we started getting people on the air and then getting them to come join us live and tell us what they were seeing what they were hearing and our coverage during that time from what I can remember I believe

22:30we did more local coverage than we did network coverage we kind of used the CBS coverage as a fill-in when we were waiting on a guest to show up not that the CBS coverage wasn't you know so good and with reporters live on the scene and we tried to get back to a lot of that you know when you knew something big was about to happen so that that was like you said it was a long long day everyone the newsroom all the hosts everyone took part everyone just added what they knew and it just you know we just had to provide coverage to the listeners another thing I can remember if I'm not talking too long no no another thing I remember is that the next the following day to try and make things seem a little bit more normal um jack buck hosted afternoon drive with John Carney

23:32or yeah with John Carney and so it kind of just put things into a little bit more perspective as much as you could at a time like that I love to hear that yeah yeah we would too I was trying to find it and John and been talking with me about let's find it I just couldn't find it you needed jack bucks back then oh yeah yeah you're right and we started or I organized them for that weekend the big memorial interfaith prayer service at Forest Park on the weekend with we had Archbishop Justin Reggali rabbi Jeffrey Stiffman and my Muhammad Abdul-Nor um all the interfaith leaders showed up and hundreds probably thousands of people showed up in Forest Park over the weekend for that prayer service and that was led by KMWAC so that's

24:33something that stands out in my mind that we did unusual and and funny coincidence of all of this story is that my two sons Noah who was two and Shane who's four today Noah works at the Pentagon and he works in the office that was hit by the plane oh wow geez so you know when I've gone there to visit him and you get into the Pentagon and you travel around the Pentagon inside there's a chapel there they've re you know obviously they've rebuilt it but there's a special chapel there that you can go into and they've got this memory book that you can flip through the pages and see the bios of everyone that was killed in the Pentagon that day and that's very touching and it's right outside Noah's office where he is now and then my other son Shane who was four at the time now works at in the World Trade Center building number four you've got to be kidding me so he's

25:36there today as well you know in New York City watching everything that's going on from his office Noah is at the White House he was at President Trump's speech in the courtyard earlier this morning so they're seeing you know what they experienced when they were tiny tiny kids and now it's an everyday thing for them every day I didn't know that about your sounds yeah it should so it's pretty crazy Fred you've had a long career I think a lot of people look at 9-11 as a turning point in so many ways and culture I mean just look at the way we get on an airplane now right versus as prior to that as someone who's been in broadcast media for as long as you have been what's the the starkest difference that that you noticed after 9-11 if you notice one that you know comes to mind you know well you know the security is probably I mean the creation

26:38of TSA you know I don't think we really I don't remember much of anything like that before so that that stands out as is the biggest thing I can I just I just felt you know everyone seemed to be part of a family then you know you wonder today could it happen that way you know are the divisions too deep yeah I was on with Annie at 1230 today and we talked about that and it's sad I don't think it's because of 9-11 that our discourse especially political discourse has become so raw and violent but it's happened alongside it to be sure and my analogy to Annie was growing up in South Roxana I had to learn to fight and there's a processed fighting and you talk

27:39and you puff your chest and then you threaten and eventually maybe some unthrows a punch and my analogy was political discourse everyone just throws a punch no one talks no one puffs their chest we just throw punches now and I'm still not used to that after 26 years of doing this I'm much more of a talker and a thinker and I'm just still not used to just taking punches right off the bat when it comes to that I think that's been a big change that I don't think it's because of 9-11 but it's sad that it has been since 9-11 I'm curious Dave tell me what it was like for you because you manned the 97-1 KFTK coverage that day so different from yours so different like you talk about like having this team and you know this you know I'm calling this guy and I'm calling this guy and at that point I hadn't even been doing radio a year and I was on 4 p.m. to 6 p.m. I think and I was in court doing a trial and that you know was quickly put to an end and I came down to the

28:46office 10 10 15 and back then I was the only live talent it was all you know syndicated shows and Jeff Allen said we need you to get on the air and I'm like to do what and he's like no you're our guy you're going to host this and so I did and it was just me and producer Tom doing our best and taking phone calls and trying to get gas but we were not the machine like KMLX was we were just very see the pants and at some point they simulcast me on all the other imustations so it's on KC in the point 96 3 and I think Tom and I pulled out of the parking lot that night at 10 p.m. or 11 p.m. but we're on for a solid 10 or 12 hours and you have a network help network coverage to go to or if we just have to talk and get gas pretty much talking and and God guest and there's so many people who found the show that day Brian M who's one of our consistent people on the stream said

29:49that that was his first day hearing the show because everyone was freaking out and there weren't that many talk stations right KMLX and we were not even a year into being 97 one but people poked around heard a voice mine and and thankfully a lot of them stayed with me over the years but yeah that was that was quite a day and I'd like to think that radio still has that importance for that instant knowledge like when something happens people will turn to radio to get the information because they may not near a television or they domain to have to want to get a on the internet your car on the phone right we didn't have computers in our pockets right yeah that's so true it's crazy and we couldn't get a hold of each other the way that you you couldn't text and say hey now right and I remember one of my most vivid memories is I'd been on the air for a couple of hours and I walked outside on a break and I looked up into the sky and of course

30:50nothing and for the first time in my life I was really afraid like afraid in a way I had never even contemplated before because I never served in the military I don't know what that kind of fears like I'd had normal life fear I didn't think that a plane was going to crash on Union station or they're going to blow up the archbite didn't know we didn't know right is this the first day of many days and I will never forget that being 36 years old and having a an emotion for the very first time in my life I also am kind of in awe in how it was all handled by president Bush me too I think that was just things which one of him as a president right I thought he handled it great yeah from from flying around and making it back to DC eventually to address the nation you know to climbing up on that fire engine a couple days later I remember it talking with the bullhorn

31:54just amazing things and you made a great point when I was on with her as I was telling my story and I said that I wasn't I wasn't prepared and she said Dave who was who is prepared whatever your job whether you're a radio guy a firefighter a politician a schoolteacher a parent who is ready none of us it was just you with your little boys right you just do it do it to do right yeah and strange to think about right because nothing like that had happened before I mean Pearl Harbor but Pearl Harbor is not New York City you know I mean like it's one of the fifty states but I mean it's kind of off on its own and that was out of time where you couldn't detect that those things as easily but it's the closest comparable right oh I think so we never had anything else other than the Civil War which was us against each other never had anything like that before on the on like the main land United States not in my life no thank you Fred oh you're

32:57welcome thanks for asking welcome back guys DGS on KMO X thanks for joining us on this very important day 25th anniversary of 9-11 we have Sarah with this who is the manager at Eckerts in Milstadt and they are doing their great corn maze it commemorates the 25th anniversary of September 11th hello Sarah hi how are you I'm doing fine and I'm a veteran of lashes farms I don't know if you were familiar with that at all back in the olden days but yeah and we kind of did the same thing you guys did on a smaller scale so I'm familiar with mazes and such okay tell us about Eckerts in general and then tell us about what you're doing to commemorate the 25th anniversary okay well so Eckerts is you know we're known right now this time of year for fall a lot of visitors come to

34:03our farms for apple and pumpkin picking they have that fall tradition of you know riding the wagons out to our orchards and fields to get those fall items for their homes and just make those family memories year after year but specifically at Milstadt we do always have a corn maze every year that we design for something as kind of relevant at the time this year we decided on September 11th anniversary it kind of didn't really ring with all of us that it was the 25th anniversary once we started thinking of what we wanted to do this year and we just thought well that's a great thing that we should honor and just recognize and those that lost their lives and that continue to serve our communities what did you do with the corn maze how is it 9-11 house oh sure sure so it features the design the the big thing in the corn maze is a statue of liberty she's holding a

35:06torch there's a waving American flag stars in different places on the maze and then the words 9-11 along with 25th is designed in there as well so we tried to hit all the points in the maze it's eight acres so it's not huge but not small either so lots of room to you know put all those design features in it and then coming up next weekend you have heroes among us a weekend tribute to local first responders military veterans right right so those active and retired first responders do get complimentary admission on that weekend 19th and 20th just need a valid ID they get in free for the day we also are donating a dollar from every paid admission to backstoppers which does support those families of fallen police officers firefighters and then we're also having like a tetra truck event on Saturday for kids to come out and

36:07view and explore police and fire trucks and be on fistings like that which that's always fun for them too very cool Sarah thanks for joining us good luck in the next few weeks enjoy this time thank you appreciate it thank you so much for having us yeah and I kind of want to go to the touch a truck event that's he got love records yeah they had a fire truck out at Mike Duffy's getting ready for the marches arch today and I was going to have to like yeah yeah that was pretty cool like having the the police escort that was extremely cool in the fire trucks and and and I don't know if I'm losing track of what we've said in this hour but if I haven't very said I apologize but when Rachel and I were on the march to the arch it was humbling the way people reacted to the people who are walking and we were on the younger end right yeah I mean there are definitely people of all age groups but a lot of people my age and up yeah for sure yeah

37:08and you know people were just stopping and saluting the firefighters it was super super cool and Kevin when we come back I want to hear your story you were at the first baseball game back one of them yeah yeah they're like they came back and it was but it was not here there was it which is you know not the experience I didn't get to experience jack buck reading the poem and doing all that but it's a little bit different setting yeah yeah welcome back guys dgs on k m o x few minutes past 2 p.m so we are going to slowly pivot to a normal more normal dgs but for example Bernie McCluses on at 2 30 Alvin reads on at 3 we'll talk to them about 9 11 their experiences so it'll be kind of you know going through the show if you missed that first hour especially the first half hour we played you some interviews using the term loosely

38:10that Rachel and I did we did the first few miles of the march to the arch this morning and I said hey we got these phones in our pockets why don't we talk to some of these people and we got some really really incredible interviews with air traffic controllers and military and a firefighter from the city of st. Louis as walked out there and I was talking to Beth cogglin our news director and she was like damn and those those were great especially that firefighter we will replay those for you at 4 30 so someone was asking like hey I just joined the show how can I hear you can always podcast us on whatever platform you favor and then at 4 30 we will play those on k m o x I was laughing at how different the 9 11 experience was for me and Fred bottomer just the on air and off and Fred talked about the weekend after 9 11 putting together this prayer vigil for thousands of people in forest park and what I put together was my first Dave Glover band played that Friday

39:19or Saturday night at the hard rock and the Tuesday or no the day after 9 11 I believe it was Sammy Hegar was in town and he was at K. She and I knew that and when I say I had no money I had no money because I was still a flailing lawyer making no money and radio wasn't paying me they didn't pay me for another year or so after that so I had no money but I went to guitar center and my friend Mark Quinn was there and I said I need to get a guitar a red guitar to have Sammy Hegar sign so I can auction it off at my band gig this Friday and I remember how he horns swaddled it but he somehow got me a pretty decent guitar for not a lot of money and Sammy signed it and we played the gig and we auctioned it off and some girl was obsessed with Sammy and paid like three grand for it something like that and we sent that off to whoever you sent stuff off to back then but

40:23yeah very different very different weeks so where were you that morning I was at home and I ended up being that that's that's where I was for days because we were in all sports radio network what are you gonna do so at that time you know we were sporting news radio and it's like they just basically called us all and said hey from stay home until further notice because we're gonna run ABC news because it's we can't talk sports during this like we can't do that it's just too weird so there's like days of just nothing which man I was just watching TV the whole time I wasn't in news you know I was 29 years old so I was you know young sports dude and the for us the world basically stopped right games weren't happening your job wasn't happening I mean you were still being you know you're still getting your pay and all that but like you were not working you weren't doing anything so all we had to do was sit there and watch TV and it was bizarre in that sense and then you know later in that week the conversations started okay when do we bring sports back when do we bring comedy back right David Letterman the first one to come back but when do sports come

41:26back and it was only week it felt longer though I don't know why what it was yeah because you know so I think Fred said he thought that the Cardinals game might have been the 17th was either that or the 18th I don't I don't remember that specifically I know the first game that I went to was the first game back for the White Sacks I lived in suburban Chicago at the time and that's where the radio network was and I was like well I'm I want to go to a game and just see and it was the Yankees so the Yankees were in Chicago you know their first game back after the attacks at home so clearly they were massively impacted and it wasn't a huge crowd it wasn't sold out because I and I don't know that it would have been because the White Sacks weren't particularly good at that time but it was a pretty like enthusiastic crowd a lot of chanting like USA huge ovation for the Yankees which is not normal on the South side of Chicago for a visiting team but it was bizarre because you could hear the buzz of everybody walking in and I just went as on a ticket I didn't get a press credential I didn't do anything special I just wanted to go be as a see what it was like and like listen to what other people and there was a lot of buzz like do you

42:30think anything's going to happen what's security going to be like there's you know 20,000 people not sure because that was the whole kind of back to normal right like well what what does that mean that was just a weird thing for everybody in our line of work because for a while it was just not normal to talk like what are you going to talk about and even when we came back it was weird because we tried to do a lot of stuff especially on the national side of a lot of like fundraisers that was time period where even as a sports guy we were just raising money for you know families in New York we had spiked Lee was raising money and had a chance to talk to him about you know his experience there what he was doing he wound up giving you know selling his auctioning off his court side tickets I think for Nixon bulls which at the time was a huge deal and a guy bought them an anonymous person bought them for crazy amount of money and then just gave the tickets to two kids whose dad were killed 9 11 so it's like days so it was this whole stretch of like nothing was normal and I think maybe two weeks later we were kind of back in our group I don't know about you for your

43:32end but I'm like of the group of like you and Fred and all the other people here I was the one that was just not in this world so it wasn't I didn't cover it I didn't have to have any you know thoughts on it or anything like that I just sat and watched like from the sideline you know another memory I have I really remember the I don't know to do with my hands and miss you have it yeah because I didn't miss a day on the show and I think I even didn't expand and show the next day after 9 11 if I'm not mistaken but I remember on that Friday show I had a priest a rabbi and an imam I believe on and we talked about it you know just because sort of confronted it head on and I ended the the show ended the week and I said something to the effect of you know almost like a prayer you know may we have healing and may we you know

44:34a protection and I ended it with and may we have our revenge and my boss's boss called me in and dreamed me wow read me the ride act like I've never had a red to me in my 26 year career that's not the tone we want to send here it's not about revenge and I went back at him you know I didn't have a radio career uh to protect I don't even do it in a year but I I'll always remember that having that argument about like well how how was that in a pro that was a pretty common sentiment I thought what you say I mean I'm Rachel and Andrew you guys are pretty young so I know for you how much you remember your how much you remember that was basically the constant conversation is how are we going to get them when are we going to get them what are we going to do Rachel and Andrew um I'm going to guess you guys have mostly snapshots of it but I was thinking today how you two and Nick will literally be the last generation to remember it

45:34at all does that hit you much at all like you know I'm going to be out of here in another 20-25 years like if you have kids and how like mom what was that like or tell me about it like does it make an impact on you knowing that um it's mostly I feel sad that the new generations don't know don't have a memory of what the world was like for Americans pre-night like it did definitely again I was 10 when it happened but there was definitely like a we had a lighter step around oh yeah you know um I remember because I didn't even know what the world trade center was I was 10 years old and lived and grafted right um but when it was explained to me and laid out what was going on just the stress that I felt the anxiety the fear you don't know what's happening because you're just a little kid and that you have no control um that was the first time I'd ever experienced any sort of dread on like a global or a national level I didn't worry about things much and that was kind of kicked off

46:41that stage in my life of just having thoughts like that um and I would think you know a lot of 16 year olds had the same experience right like I was 29 it was the same right I mean we same Dave did I mean there was nothing before that that would have constituted that kind of change because I don't know I mean like Vietnam but I was I wasn't born yet nothing had affected me right in that way because I just remember on September 11 2001 like you know explaining what's going on and we're all like okay okay and then they said well they had to evacuate the arch they're evacuating different places in our area and that was very frightening that it could just happen anywhere at any time and prior to that you had never had a thought like that in your life so I mean I hope that the younger generations are able to to be educated as far as like what it means to people and how important it is to not forget because it is very important but I also think

47:41it's up to us the older generation to preserve the memory before that and go like okay so how can we try to get to a place where it's just not so scary anymore and maybe there's no going back there's probably not but I'm glad I got to experience a short period of time I can see where you get back to it I mean we got back to normal after World War II right I mean that was that that had to be it was day-to-day non-stop terrifying yeah you had millions of troops on the ground and you had obviously cities burning to the ground in Europe you know it didn't happen here but it did happen in Pearl Harbor we got back to normal after that but it took a long time and what I'm interested is to Rachel's point because the you know the catchphrase since the beginning has been never forget right we have forgotten a lot of things lessons learned from World War II and all the time the circumstances around it and we have gotten a lot of lessons from Vietnam

48:42eventually as and I don't think it's because people to actually forget I think people die with generations move on and the newer generations did not experience that so then they start to make the same mistakes and I think Rachel makes a great point hopefully because we have such the media environment that we do that that memory doesn't get pushed aside or washed away like I think what some of the lessons of World War II and Vietnam did well tell me if I'm just connecting things that aren't connected if I'm way off base here this morning I on 9-11 I like to listen to this YouTube video that puts together different air traffic control and it's just it's all playing out and it's very interesting and to hear how professional these people were and just how good they are third jobs like it's something I really like to listen to to kind of commemorate 9-11 but I was watching it every few minutes an ad would hit and it would be for something like a love island

49:42or something and I'm thinking to myself yeah the mantra was never forget but our culture is more flippant more unserious the things we laugh about the things we make fun of the things we just like push to the side and pretend it doesn't matter maybe I'm connecting things that aren't connected here but in that moment I just felt like maybe we have forgotten not because these fun frivolous things exist but because it does feel like those frivolous things have taken up so much of our society and then the petty little fights and arguments have taken up so much of our society that it does feel like we've lost sight of this greater thing that we should be focused on yeah I agree with that what a what a crazy 25 years because to Wheeler's point about us coming back after World War II we wouldn't have come back from World War II as relatively smoothlies we did

50:46had siloed news stations existed yeah and social media I think we would have gone off the deep in the same way we have the last quarter century at that time there were politics right I mean there were Republicans and Democrats right there was disagreement but it was the way it's the way I remember you know from history is that it wasn't one side is the enemy no even right before we didn't hate each other nine eleven yeah like Clinton Bush era and I wasn't super engaged in politics I was pretty immature but I remember as a voter a non-passionate voter going a six one half doesn't the right that's definitely the five these guys are older and wider and these guys play this guy plays a saxophone but it wasn't anything like it is now thank you for being with us on this commemoration of nine eleven thanks to everyone on the stream I really appreciate and enjoy you sharing your experiences I'm reading every single one of them I wish I could pop you guys on the air because remember you have three amazing stories quick break right back 97 97 one DHS came wax

51:54back DHS and K M O X bottom of the hour we have Bernie McCluse at three p.m. we have Alvin Reed we'll talk to Bernie about sports and we'll talk to Alvin about Alvin stuff but we'll you will check in with those guys on their nine eleven memories and I just went and peed and I was laughing while I was peeing because I've been on came wax for six years now and I don't think I've ever made the mistake before and said hey it's DGS of 97 one and I just did it and it's clearly because today and being back down there with Annie and talking about that day when I was on 97 one just took me back like it really took me back you know like for a side just I was on

52:5697 one just for a second there so crazy memories are funny like that right yeah you can be so far away from it and then just kind of snap right back to it all the sudden yeah so how about you you haven't said anything what I mean mine's very similar to Rachel's you know since sixth grade I wouldn't say I have snapshots I have pretty vivid memories of it all um but I definitely one way that I differ from Rachel is that I don't think I really grasped the severity of the situation you know I was I was kind of a spacey child at best you know so I was floating through the world you know I remember that morning I remember things kind of starting to happen while we were like you know eating breakfast getting ready for school or whatever and then I remember being in a English class this is Barton's class and they wheeled in the TV and they brought the lights down and they did like an announcement on the loudspeaker about you know hey we're gonna

53:57play you some footage we're gonna show you some stuff this is a very important thing that's happening there's been a you know uh planes crashed into the I'm not even sure if we knew that it was a terror attack at that point do you think that was a good idea in hindsight to show us yeah yeah yeah I think so uh you know what I don't I don't remember any of us really being like so disturbed by it because it wasn't like you know there are there are I don't I don't even know if there was any talk of like there are thousands dead and this is a horrifying it was just like these are things that you need to see sort of almost in a way that was like you know you will remember this forever which thus far has been true uh and then I remember I don't remember anything else from school but after that I went to my after school thing that I did where I waited for my parents to come pick me up those kind of down the street from uh East Middle and I remember the two ladies that ran that and like supervised that being very like you know they were like sitting in a corner very close together or just kind of whispering to each other back and forth and I

55:00remember being like oh whatever they're talking about which you know obviously they were talking about this and how serious it was and then I remember my mom coming in and you know grabbing me and giving me like a big hug uh and maybe I'm like yeah good to see you too my I don't know and her was her being like this is a this is a very big day and definitely her trying to impress and I'm sure it did get through you know um because obviously I remember it as being a very serious day but definitely her then her trying to impress like I can't even tell you how scary this day is for you know grownups and how how serious this is yeah and Nick was six and um his mom and I were together at that point and I was supposed to have him that night and clearly didn't because I was on the air till 10 p.m. but I picked him up the next morning to take him to school like I always did and uh talk to him about it and I'll never forget that you know you guys know Nick he's such a sensitive intelligent human and even at six he he took it very somberly you know and uh

56:08yeah isn't it something that we all we all have our story mm-hmm it's one of those you if if you were of any age you have one and I wonder how long it is until we stop doing this yeah we do in this in 20 years we do in this in 50 years I don't know it's a great question I thought about that when you were saying like you know what Rachel and I might say to like the vastly future generations about this and I and I found myself wondering you know at what point where will there be so few like the majority of people will not have been alive for it yeah so at what point do we as a nation kind of move on from it for lack of a better term I don't want to say stop caring but you know what I'm trying to say like sure there's so few people today they remember World War II yeah remember it remember it yeah and and and we definitely remember that in a way but it has lost I think a lot of that weight yeah to a lot of people and I wonder if that will happen with us too yeah

57:19welcome back guys DGS on KMO X happy friday thanks for being with us today we did about 90 minutes of world of all 9 11 stuff including some interviews rage and I did this morning with some first responders military some air traffic controllers who just happened to be walking next to us with us on the march to the arch and very powerful stuff and we're going to replay that for you at 4 30 pm today so if you didn't get to hear it at one you can hear it at 4 30 right now we bring in our pal Bernie Nicholas hello burn Dave how are you sir doing okay buddy doing okay 9 11 is always a weird day for everybody for their own reasons I want to eventually talk about at least the 2006 Cardinals who are being celebrated this weekend but I would love to hear either or both your 9 11 story or just approach it from the sports angle like wheels were talking about that weird period

58:23of a few days or a couple weeks were no one knew it to do with their hands well I'll never forget the morning because I actually was about to go on live radio on KMO X on the like the morning show and the producer talked to me through the head through the phone said you know something just happened in New York it looks really bad we're gonna we're gonna have to you know cancel cancel your segment and I'm like well what happened you know it would just just go to CNN or whatever you know or listen us we'll have it so that's how I found out and it was it was a it was a it was a strange day like all Americans it felt who were watching it from a distance it was a really strange day very unsettling day kind of a shocking day and then you know you get back to work and I'll never forget the first the first plane the first flight that I caught the Rams were playing

59:24out in San Francisco and I remember how weird it was to be in the airport how weird it was because you're looking around at your fellow passengers and everybody's uneasy because this was the first time I think a lot of people on board that plane had been on a plane since 9 11 and I remember you know having I think typical thoughts I was sitting near the front you know I had gotten upgraded I'm not saying that to brag I'm just trying to give you the setting and so it was I was like in the second row and I remember just thinking well if somebody charges towards that door they're gonna have to go through me and whatever happens happens I mean I I really you know you gas what a strange time sure you're you're thinking about how you could thwart a terrorist attack just taking a flight to San Francisco you know what I mean I do um and then it then it changed sports dramatically and um some unbelievable scenes with Jack Bucket

1:00:25Bush Stadium George W Bush thrown out the first pitch at Yankee Stadium I mean there's just some really really extraordinary moments but um it's a cliche but life was never really the same um but in some ways it's it's even gotten tougher now as far as not knowing what's gonna hit you next I heard an interview with George W Bush and um I have had the privilege of throwing out a first page and I've never in my life been that nervous and um he said you better believe there was no way I wasn't throwing that ball right down the middle and I've always loved that like that's that's a special level of I get it and a special level of confidence he's like there was no way I was gonna bounce that ball on the first the first one back he did throw perfect strike you know I had a chance to talk to him one time about that and and opening day in St. Louis in 2004 when he

1:01:25threw out uh the first pitch and it was a strike and he said he left and he said well you don't think I you don't think I warmed up or anything and I said yeah I think maybe you did well he says you're dang right I did I'm gonna embarrass myself so you know he was a great such a great baseball fan I knew him a little bit when he was the um chairman of the Texas Rangers before I moved back to St. Louis we would talk baseball all the time and the thing about George W George W Bush if I can tell a really quick funny story of course he he'd be his president he'd be traveling around the world I mean he could be anywhere but he but he wanted to get caught up in the baseball gossip so he would call he would call like some of my friends in the Dallas Fort Worth media he'd call like the columnist Randy Galloway yeah the Air Force one he's like wait what Galloway what town's going on with their Rangers you know and he'd want to know all the sports gossip you know he would call a guy named Jim Reeves who was a classic old-time baseball writer at the Fort Worth

1:02:27Telegram his name is Revo you know Revo get a call 330 and more Revo what Rangers blew a seven run Lee what attack happened to me it you know so he constantly calling baseball writers from Air Force one I kind of love that actually but anyway yeah my son Nick always says all George Bush ever wanted was to be the commissioner of baseball like he did yeah just what a different world and no shade the George W but just yeah that's all I ever wanted to do just be the commissioner he um uh yeah I I it's um it's just so all those memories has come flashing back to you and some of them have to be personal you know yeah I remember thinking how do I explain this to my daughter you know how do you make sense of something like this right so uh obvious segue not meant to be slick but it was only five years after that that we had the 2016 um just you know you got three or

1:03:27four minutes left tell me about the 2016 in your memory well you had um you had some great players on that team and in the part that gets overlooked is yeah they they almost coughed up the lead down the stretch at one point they they had lost like eight out of ten games and they were they were perilously close to blowing it and we had them on the other day on KMWRx got spezio hit a hit a bases loaded triple where they were trailing trailing the brewers two to nothing in the bottom of the eighth you know if they had lost that game they may have gone over the cliff that was one of the biggest hits of the season so let me let me so that was very dramatic but here's the thing you know because people will point out and by the way they should that team only won 83 games I that must have that was that was in a good team actually it was a hell of a team uh it was beat up it had all kinds of injuries and I remember lurus talking to lurus about this and he said look I know we've been playing bad you know I know it's been a struggle he said but we're getting he

1:04:31said we'll have our guides back we'll have our guides back so don't don't don't assume anything and I was kind of like okay because I know I know lurus was going to be optimistic no matter what but I remember I remember being there sandiego for the right before game one and just stand in close near the cardinals the visiting clubhouse they were getting off the bus for a workout and you see all these guys walk past I mean you're just like looking at each guy as they walk past and I remember turning a rick hummel and I'm like damn that team's got a lot of talent so if they're you know if they really are healthy this sort this is going to get really interesting plus they've got nothing to lose because nobody everybody thinks they're lousy but you like you you did I got a full sense just seeing these guys walk in all confident looking healthy nobody limping thinking okay well this ought to be this ought to be an adventure and that's what happened I mean in the first game

1:05:36Chris Carpenter Shove's pulls hits a big home run they blow out Jake PV who was the sia young award winner that year and then then in the second game Jeff Weaver who was one of the greatest turnarounds by Dave Duncan ever I thought I don't I don't know if Weaver's ready for this and he was going to go against David Wells the big guy who was having a great year and he he completely outpitched David Wells and all of a sudden cardinals are going back to st. Louis 2o and it's like they've got something going here I wouldn't I wouldn't count these guys out now this is this is this is a different team you can just see it. This fascinating wasn't it in Bern when you because I I walked into this in the middle of August of 2006 that's when I got the job here at Camelax I started you know right in the middle of that second the last month and it was the same I had the same vibe like as an observer from the outside for most of the year they just felt like it never clicked and obviously you know the pitching burn was kind of scattered throughout the year

1:06:38they had to figure out things because molder struggled and you know you had to kind of peace it together and it was a bunch of young guys at times and you know you you have guys that got to the playoffs and wildly outperformed their regular season which was really fascinating to watch. The one thing I give LaRouce and Duncan credit for this should never be forgotten they had the courage of their convictions to go with a with a kid bullpen in 2006. Yeah. They Jason is her house and couldn't pitch his hip was shot he had to have surgery he couldn't even try to pitch and they they looked around and they're like we're we're going to give the ball to the kid the big kid being Adam Wayne Wright. One of the best managed hero decisions made in the history of the franchise and that's not that's because you think about what he did but it wasn't just that. There are two primary set up guys were lefty Tyler Johnson and and right-handed Josh Kinney. They were both rookies and they were that that three that three rookie bullpen as your

1:07:39primary pieces they were lights out that postseason. Oh there was a hiccup here and there but think about some of these managers oh no no we can't we can't trust these kids you know I way you know and LaRouce always got a knock well you know he doesn't like young players and I was like well what is that based on his rosters are loaded with great veterans so what what you you you want him to play a young guy who's one third is good because what it would make you feel better no when when he had great veterans he rode with veterans but if the veterans were hurt or the veterans were missing he didn't hesitate to give young talent a chance. No and I mean that was evidence with Yada your Malena being in the position that he was in you know he got well he was he was he was in a different category. Yeah yeah I'm just saying he was that he was in the circle of trust day one which is bizarre and the same thing for Albert and I think you know look we all know how great Albert was you know he's first ball at Hall of Fame we all know what he is right means an inner circle one of the greatest hitters of all time that year though that's the that's the rock that

1:08:39kept it moving you know when Jim Edmunds was missing time and other guys are missing time he could not I don't know that you can think of a guy that could be much better I mean 3 30 with 49 home runs and what we know is not a great ballpark for home runs I mean like that was that is one of those seasons where it's like okay yeah we got there and we had a lot of good players but I don't know that you get to the playoffs and hold on to that division if Albert wasn't at that level you know he lead like Hall of Fame anchor level like he can carry a team but the only thing and I I'm not disagreeing with you but the only thing Albert did that from day one of the major leagues yeah so so wasn't like all of a sudden nope he elevated his performance in some big way I mean that that's why his neck name is the machine yeah it was that every year until he started to get a little older but you know some you know Scott Rowland was fantastic that year for example yeah there were there were a bunch of other but you know how to deal with injuries and everything they had somebody good players that

1:09:40year and it just you know it was one of those situations where they Jim Edmunds was the key to turn around the other thing is that the trade wall talk and he made for you know Jeff Weaver it was brilliant yeah because he had faith in Duncan and getting getting Ronnie Beliard from Cleveland a play second base he he may have saved game one with a dynamic playing San Diego yeah completely yeah good then then another rookie you know Anthony Reyes um pits one of the great games and Cardinals postseason history they gave him the ball and game one of the world series they didn't have any many choices but he beat a rookie named Justin Verlander and after that the Tigers were pretty much they were wobble because they couldn't believe they lost to a guy named Anthony Reyes they you know and also another you know and who another big guy in that 2006 whole thing was was Chris Duncan God rest his soul yes Chris Chris Duncan got my line because he looked clumsy in left field I anybody that was making fun of him in 2006 go to baseball reference and look at his offensive stats thank you

1:10:48thank you very much you remember them Dave like don't get 22 home runs in about half a season and also was it Bernie like 950 something OPS like he was he was as a lead as anybody in the national league for those 90 games and he had he had a nice game one two um yeah and he slugged five nearly 600 he was fantastic he was fantastic hitter he gave him a left hand of power element that really came in big when Jimmy Edmonds was hurting and not able to hit for power take it don't let the sound of your own look at that guy and see if he has some pain in both axel the read will join us at the top of the hour at 430 we'll replay the first half hour of the show uh Rage and I did the first few miles today on the march to the arch uh with a couple hundred at least maybe 300 of the other fellow citizens firefighters military people aircraft are uh their

1:11:53controllers uh we interviewed several of them I thought it was just great they were very honest and it was just it was really something so we'll replay that for you if you didn't get to hear it at 430 pm um Rage is not like we did a bunch of miles with them or we got to meet everyone but I just keep thinking about them they're still out there they're walking they're gonna hit the arch ground around 530 pm I was talking to uh Beth Cogland that next year I would love to do the whole walk but more importantly I would like Kamalek to be more involved and maybe we could you know call in to each of the shows from the walk and then be waiting for them well I believe it'll be on a Saturday next year right yeah I guess you're right I just not a leap year or anything so should be really easy for us to participate in that yeah maybe we can make a video again

1:12:54um I was gonna take this little bit of time here to tell you guys I saw a clip of Gavin Newsom's interview that he did with Omnina Vaz from PBS News Hour and she asked him hey if you run for president are you gonna keep doing your podcast because he has a podcast apparently I've never heard a second of it but uh and he didn't answer the question and it made me so mad like he he took the opportunity to explain why it's good that he has a podcast but he didn't say yes I'll keep doing it or no of course I would stop if I was the president of the United States and I don't know I've just never paid that much attention to him but the way he wiggled out of it I was like oh gross I hate this and that's just how how everybody gets to act now it's like well I don't actually have to answer the question I'll just kind of kick the can down the road for a little bit yeah summer maybe seeing a lot more of him the next couple of years

1:13:56we'll have heard some people talking just the other day look back guys dgs on cat mox few minutes past 3 pm thank you as always but especially today for hanging with us on this 25th anniversary of 9 11 and uh all day the shows have been paying homage to those that we lost in the first responders who uh did all that they could do and just even people just all over the country it wasn't just in New York it's all over the country uh Alvin rejoins this how are you my brother i'm fine i'm fine man uh tell me your story i don't know what you were doing okay my story was um I had just left my house and at the time my my uh my oldest was uh two and my youngest was about eight months so I mean I just kind of tooled around the house and I left and I uh but I do believe I had on camo x but I'm not sure

1:15:02and they were first reporting that a plane had hit you know one of the towers did not know it was a jet just a plane hit and I my first thought was like I could see that happening fog whatever so about the time that I got to work right then the second plane hit and at which point I said like this is not obviously something is going on but uh where we were on lindal at the time was able to look north and what you saw was every plane that was anywhere near st. Louis was coming down and I'll never forget we're you're close enough where you could literally see what the type plane it is and like you know a sasdom with land and then here's the 747 lift tons of it's like we don't even have lift tons of here so then before they even announced that they had grounded off-lights it was like I was just looking and saying like all flights are coming out of the air

1:16:02they have they have ordered them to the ground and the the you know the epic proportion of what was going on was suddenly it just hit you even while these buildings are spouldering the head even collapse yet you do that something horrible horrible is really happening right now and I'll share this story with you I don't know if they called it identity theft at the time but I was I had covered the uh or that night it was going to do the gold glove banquet uh in New New York and this was in 1993 and we went for in a minute I went and had drinks I paid for all the credit card I got back to Washington DC they said it was pretty did you buy like stereo equipment and stuff like what do you really and no I went to windows on the world at the world trade center there's the only time I was ever in there looked out on all New York and all the world and eight years later that happened but I said like I've been there and have just had I been in there that day hmm I you know so many stories I mean anything like this and this is

1:17:09going to happen but so many stories of you know who is supposed to be on flight 77 you know yes yes you know and one of the stories on tiktok there's this pilot I forget his name Mike or something my age a little bit older and he's interesting you know he'll talk about captain things and uh he said people have asked me to tell my 9-11 story and and I've watched the whole thing he was supposed to be the pilot on one of the flights Jason and he described how you find out you have a flight and you're on this computer and there's your name and he said I was getting ready for it the night before telling my wife I'll be flying from here to there and then he said like 11 p.m. someone else's name was there on the manifest and you know it's a little weird but it happens and he's like okay well fine I just lost that flight maybe I'll pick up another one but just things like that yeah it's like damn and here's another thing too and this is going to be

1:18:10the dumbest thing I say all day but time has a way of water coloring things yes even horrific things yes but watching the footage again especially of the people hanging out the windows yeah where you had to make a choice yes and the people who made the choice to jump right and then just it's truly even sitting here 25 years later and being a 62 year old man it's literally unimaginable for me having not been down there what the people went through standing on those piles looking for human remains yeah breathing in the toxins right you know they had the alarms right the firefighters and I didn't have alarms on them so if they stop moving an alarm goes off and they were like everywhere yeah right know that before yeah I just heard that last night wheels yeah and and just and then the situation as it was I think literally

1:19:16what's it came down within four or five hours that whole thing that was going down I think the choice was that I'm going to do this I'm not gonna run away from this because one I'm alive and so I can't I just can't you know I can't turn my back on this I another story I had a friend who lived up there guy named Jim Horton grew up here and after and we were very close friends and he didn't you know he wasn't at there but he told me the story about I many of us walked 50 blocks there was no way to get home and all we could do was just walk home just get away so they literally walked from like Manhattan to wherever they lived it's beyond about three hours home and it just that day you know obviously we always will remember it but the stories were and I think that New York especially everybody's got story and everybody was could tell you who was lost that they

1:20:20had connection with or were related to and all that and another discussion I had this morning was how long did it take for all that to go away I said four years just like a presidential administration or whatever like four years later it was a terrible thing but by the by the time we had the fifth anniversary every American wasn't an American and we didn't love each other the way we did on September the 12 and that still bothers me it really does so you you would have thought that would have been a forever thing do you think it got away from us for a reason or is that just human nature 50 50 politics and then human nature and not that we want to forget but it's just like you just you just move on and and it's it's kind of sad but you know tragic things have happened you know sure to many of us and it's not like you forget it but it just you just kind of time

1:21:22heals all wounds I guess the best way to say some one aspect of this that I've never heard anyone talk about that maybe I shouldn't talk about but it's complicated for me is that I think we should remember I think we should commemorate I have no problem with what we do I don't like the idea of the people who did it whoever's left or the people who came in their footsteps taking glee in our sorrow does that make sense it does I never want to give them too much where they're like I can't wait for September 11th I love that day watching these people and you know what and they don't like it's 25th anniversary so those people are getting some joy out of it today but every other year it's just something in September 11 so even ourselves a lot more attention is being paid today because this is 25th anniversary right right like you look like you're 17th wedding anniversary uh you know we love our wives we love our right we're 17th wedding anniversary it's not our 25th

1:22:29wedding anniversary so I get that I get that I also think that the the deeper thing too is that even even on these days normal life continues yeah like that's that's our victory right like yeah you did and a lot of dumb things were done after that fact you know that cost us more American lives and more lives and overseas and lots of money and all kinds of things um but yeah I think the day to day we are still what we are like it didn't change that yeah I was saying I've never been to the uh um I never been to Hawaii so I have been to the Arizona and I've heard people are are quiet you know they're they it's not just like you know you go to Lincoln Memorial and James Memorial that people all loud and classes and all you know it's all that Vietnam Memorial same way I was asking because I had not since it's been finished I had not been to the 9-11 museum and all that and they say people are are really quiet and and there and I I appreciate that okay and

1:23:34but like I say as time goes by and you have generations or at least two three now that like you weren't alive it was something terrible that happened that they didn't experience I didn't experience World War II I think to myself what was it like living in America when all this was going on and there was really dark days you know it's like like it is my son is my is my husband is are they coming home and I'm hearing these terrible things and all that like all you all you can do was persevere and so I I get it where you don't take it you don't cloud yourself from it but you got to keep you know just living like your everyday life and it that's I think afterwards life went on and that was those were the first steps into like not forgetting but you have to but you have to have remembrance because it's not like we're still that wound is still open yeah well said well said yeah

1:24:42welcome back DJ S and KMLX 321 day Murray will join us at his regular time 335 at 430 we'll replay the first half hour of the show today where we did some interviews Ray Chennai did the first few miles in the march to the arch to commemorate 911 and we decided to use our time doing some interviews with some of our fellow walkers and they were very very interesting people and I think you'll really get something out of listening that will replay at 430 let's talk a little baseball we're talking to Bernie about the 2016 teams team you're just making a great point we're just talking about like stuff we're good at stuff we're not and you are making the point that everyone has an opinion on who the reliever should be this inning and Marmal is such a friggin idiot but he knows stuff we don't know yeah it's like dude if you were at his job you'd make some of the exact same decisions that that he does if you even understood it right if you do was like right you

1:25:44say I you know I know this next two antics is important but I we got playing another two weeks and I'm not talking about now I'm like the two weeks in the middle of the season and things like that it's if we were dealt the hand that he was we would all have a little bit different say on what we see going on on the diamond I mean if a if a guy comes up out and blows up in the seventh of the eighth inning technically it's not as far but oh he should have never brought him in and said well who are you going to bring it what were you going to do what what was your strategy other than to complain that somebody didn't get the job done it's it's it's it's a tough job and it's 162 game job even more than that going back to spring training it's a job that must be done with constraints of what the organization says you can and can't do so it's it's like I would love it's the only game where you said if they phone right in the album you got you got managed a carnal tonight I'd say cool I'd go down there and do my best to manage a carnal tonight

1:26:50I couldn't do that with an NBA franchise I couldn't do that with a National Football League franchise I couldn't do that devil with a MLS franchise I don't know but this is one game I do know but I know enough about that game to tell you that like y'all half the time y'all don't know what y'all talking about right and the decisions that Ali makes that we bitch about had they gone the other way he'd look like a genius or they wouldn't that was a genius move by Ali Marmal that that never you know comes up wheels would you expect him to be signed to another extension there he is he got one in March so yeah did he I thought that was like a year or more there's a March and it's two prior so he'll be here next year he's got a few years and he's going to be around and I think we over we there's the two things that bother me most in these conversations there are plenty we look we we all Bernie criticizes Ali in the front office I do Matt does Tom does like we all do but we keep you if you're going to do it you want to make sure you have all of those things

1:27:51in mind yes right so we fixate too much on an in-game decision like why is this guy pinching or why is that guy those are the things that are less easy to criticize because of what Alvin saying like what you don't know but it doesn't mean you can't criticize you got to pay attention you got to pay attention to the team and my biggest advice to people is you need to watch baseball not just St. Louis Cardinals but all based on you need to pay attention to this because this is happening in another city this is happening in 29 other cities the same conversations and if you paid attention you would know okay this is the state of the sport this is not something I want to yell at a particular person about exactly right he's exactly right I'll share this story and I I I Charles Bartley told the story one time and I've been I was at he said like hey look everybody talks about this and these pro athletes on that he said like if we had like back-to-back games all right we're flying and he said me Clyde Clyde Drexler I came sitting in the back of the plane okay

1:28:54he said Rudy time jazz would come back and he'd have like a little no paddy said like all right what can you give me tomorrow and and they were telling so like I got about 12 good minutes coach hmm and they just lay it out right there and so he'd go back up into playing and you know I'm sure he would hear about it where they lost by three points to some inferior team on that second night and he didn't come in it's like look I got honest answers from my guys and I set up my rotation based on the honest answers from my guys we didn't know that so like well why Charles Bartley not play 10 minutes in the third quarter or wide so such such such right even think like oh they weren't being lazy they weren't there they were just being honest like this what I got and so like if a pitcher tells you skip I got five or six batters okay he knows that and he said like why didn't you send Alvin back out there he sat down three in a row he said well I'm told me like

1:29:55hey I got you the three that you needed I ain't got three more what do you guys things gonna happen Mizzou can you but that line dropped four point four and a half I don't really understand it I think Missouri covers but maybe somebody knows something I don't did you guys see the hype video that can just put out no I did not what it what is it good or bad well it's got people let's put some of this way it's got people feeling certain kind of ways so it's it's Ken's KU football their official account put it out I don't know who made it but probably somebody on the staff right and it's just you know you're typical like this is a rivalry in the history of the two but it brought in like you sided with slavery on the Mizzou side yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah well I wouldn't have gone there over the football game what we have to say like that's that's a bit much for a football yeah now when we have the conversation I said like man the whole sack of larns that whole thing now all that stuff really happened okay yeah and and that technically that's what fuel this rivalry when it first started because right by definition you still have people that

1:31:00were alive well can you can you put out put this out and on their own this is the Kansas football Twitter account says it is that deep and then puts this video up there where the again the video is talking about the Civil War and slavery you are on the side of slavery and it's like Lord okay guys it's a football game right here and I will say this I think part of that is and I said this on a station earlier today the fervor that I brought anti-Mizuri because I was working you know from the at and at KU it really got whipped to a frenzy because my freshman year when I or the first year I was a football manager Kellan Winslow Phil Brown and they were all that they had a style by like 32 points they threw the bomb put up like a 45 yard touchdown on us with like three minutes left in the and I'm saying on the side line and it don't mess like man I hate these so so's to man from say I cheer for Missouri right man that was messed up okay I got it the whole Civil War thing if you know

1:32:03you know history and all that yeah that was a for real thing all right but it's a I heartening back to that as to the reason why I want to beat Missouri I'm not gonna look at my history because I don't know I don't know about it well the Jay Hawkers and then the whole like like track wheels raiders came over and Quantles raiders came over and killed a bunch of people larry some rapin folks and all of that and it was that that was Civil War okay but I mean yeah you know playing football y'all gosh man and it really goes back to big eight because there were eight schools and you played them twice in basketball you played them once in football so that was the rivalry to me thank you brother have it again we're gonna talk today for you here that sponsored by Able Light thrift shop something good is now

1:33:05open in St. Peter's Able Light thrift shop 41 22 Mexico Road Monday through Friday 9 to 6 Saturday you can shop with purpose and support adults with developmental disabilities right here at home welcome back guys dgs and camo x 335 thank you for hanging out with us today no one needs to feel bad for us but it is a weird day for broadcasters especially doing four hours of content because you don't know how much to talk about 9 11 you obviously want to be respectful you don't want it to be you know jolly rancher grab ass kind of show but four hours is a long time talk about 9 11 so what we've been doing after the first 90 minutes is having regular guests you know Bernie McLeast and Alvin was just on Dave's with us now and talk about their experiences and then talk about what we're gonna talk about so they will do the weather forecast but first day if I know that New York is obviously a big part of your life I don't think I know you're 9 11 story I would love to hear what was going on that morning I have two one is that

1:34:10and the most important is that my brother who lived in Connecticut but his office was in New York and he was kind of in and out all the time he flew around a lot he was in the paper business and he had a meeting scheduled that morning at the World Trade Center and for whatever reason he got a late start missed the train and it was you know he was like you know it's okay I can I can still make the meeting I just let him know I'm late and of course never got on the train never went down to the World Trade Center because it all happened in that time frame of catching one train versus catching another nuts yeah it was really really nuts as far as me that morning I was was getting ready to do radio in the morning had not turned the TV on had not done anything I just checked the weather and was ready to go put the headset on dialed in and I was hearing all this stuff

1:35:15about New York had no idea what was going on and while I was waiting a buddy of mine came over with he was bringing me some tickets to the BMW classic at Bell Rift and and he said I've got your tickets I don't think this event's going to happen this weekend but here you go have you seen what's going on and I said no and so I turned the TV on yelled upstairs Janus put the TV on look what's going on and and it was just really the state of shock for a couple of hours and did not even feel like going into work because you know weather was very non-important at that point like almost everything was non-important as long as you knew where your family was right and then a couple our son was was going to college at that point freshman year was going out to USC he was already out there and we were supposed to travel like three weeks later to parents parents weekend to see him and we

1:36:22were we were just positive that LA was going to be the next target just positive and we decided though yeah a week went by and nobody was flung nobody was doing anything and we just decided you know why we're going to get out of plane go see our son just because that's what we needed to do what was it yeah what was it like flying during that time Dave nobody on the plane right the the the hotel that we stayed in down in Orange County not in LA had opened up like three months prior and you know a big fairly big hotel we were one of two couples in the entire hotel wow I mean you go down to the pool you were the only one Janus actually had to go up to LA to meet a friend and I was sitting by the pool I was the only one there and at dinner time we went down to the the beach club of this hotel we're the only ones there two people that was it I mean

1:37:27everybody thankful you were there but you know locals weren't traveling right people were not nobody was doing anything and and you know we know the rest from there we didn't have a second attack or I guess you could say a fourth attack and and just thankful that we did it yeah but it was very weird it was a very weird weekend yeah Dave you're still right about being in the media because 9.11 the day of was just such a thing and we all just we made it through yeah but the two or three weeks after that for media people was so strange because you just didn't know what to do you didn't know what to say and at the time I was doing at that point I pretty much gone all in on comedy and so that's about all I had to say you know it was just funny stuff and we're all watching

1:38:27each other right and I remember the onion was the first one I saw came out with a quote unquote funny headline and then Letterman finally came out so and did what he did and we're talking about uh jack buck what he did on the first cardinals game back and very slowly very slowly we all kind of sheepishly came out of the dark and started talking again and but it took a while took a long time because I think back in everybody's mind it was when is this going to happen again yeah now that we know it's possible yeah if this could happen to that extent that boy when when it's going to happen you know I learned something else and I promise you I'm not casting aspersions in anyone but I didn't realize until last night I was watching a special that they were showing the actual video of the hijackers coming through the checkpoints and they're like this is Muhammad blah blah blah

1:39:31and he sets off the first metal detector and so they take him to the second station to be wandered and he failed that one too but they let him through you know it was such a and it happened I have not heard that yeah it happened with many of the hijackers were they they set off the system because they had box cutters on their person but we just it was a different time you you weren't looking at everyone the way they we look at them now right right but that I was troubling just to know like oh man this didn't have to happen the other thing I know it's been 25 years but what what what I really really miss is the unity that this country pulled together yeah didn't matter who you were it was we were now there for a common cause and we've lost that that's that's been gone a long time yep I wish it would come back not that way but I wish it would come back I do too I think it's going to take rage and Andrew's generation maybe even Phoebe's maybe even your grandson

1:40:34you know who knows how long it may take that long it might take that long it may never happen yeah Dave tells about the weekend weather okay we're kind of cloudy right now as Roger mentioned it's a little gloomy out there but there's nothing on radar we'll go partly clouding on the optimistic tonight it's okay 69 for the low Saturday and Sunday kind of instant replay partly sunny skies be a lot of dry time but there's enough moisture in the air that could pop in afternoon thunderstorm very very limited really tough to find about 88 89 for high temperatures over the weekend then it starts to come back for a couple of days next week Monday partly sunny still chance of a spot storm but 92 on Monday 96 on Tuesday and Wednesday 93 degrees we should be back in the eighties come Thursday and Friday of next week we we really have to get through all of next week before we can maybe put a fork into this heat yeah yeah not just to kiss your ass but you kind of called that on the forecast yeah yeah yeah okay now okay with that okay it always feels good I know

1:41:41it does he's done it for a long time Dave we appreciate you thank you very much pal you got it all right well back guys dgs on came a wax thanks for hanging out with us today um bill on the stream says if you heard the animal wanewright 9 11 story and I I had not and wheeler just told me can you quickly tell it to the folks yeah I won't be able to do it as well as waneo has done it over the time but this it's it's been like dare cold road about it I want to say that it was 2000 11 10 11 12 where that was actually like printed in the post a spatch but waneo was a minor leager at that time so the season ended at the end of august for minor leagers and he was a low level minor leager for the brave so there would have been no call up or anything like that and I guess he and his brother tray had planned a visit to New York to go see the

1:42:43Yankees play watch Roger Clemens pitch and then go to Cooperstown the day after that well the day they were going to see the game I think was the 10th and it was rained out so they didn't end up going to the game and instead of following through with their plans which I my understanding is it was a plan to have breakfast at the world trade center at a restaurant at the top of the building with one of their financial advisors with one of waneos financial advisors from Lehman brothers and they just decided to scrap that because they weren't going to go to the game and they started their drive to Cooperstown early so they could start the next day you know a couple hours further in advance of the trip since they weren't going to get to go to the ballgame and that they started getting phone calls from family members panic like are you guys at the world trade center and they were like no we're not what's you know and then they followed it the whole way and one of the parts that was really interesting about the story was after their trip in Cooperstown because air travel was shut down they rented a car to drive back to Georgia I think

1:43:45it was and they said something about like for some portion of the trip an hour whatever this was days later they could still see the smoke from world trade center just driving down the highway just driving to go where they were going to go and everything we don't discuss very much because the the number of souls we lost was horrific but I remember that day before we knew people saying there might have been 30 40,000 people in this building oh man you know that was the worry that day yeah like when they when that started happening people like tens of thousands of people working those buildings but because it was early in the day it was a fraction of that yeah if it had been like an hour hour and a half later it would have probably been like that yeah yeah just hear this crazy story about Rick Springfield so evidently this was in his book which I interviewed him about a few years ago but it didn't come up and read the book but when he was 17 years old he

1:44:48traveled to Vietnam to entertain the US troops and he they sent him to a small army base very small out in you know the bush and he said he was there a couple of days he really hit it off with the guys they really were having a good time and then one night they were attacked by the Vietnam Kong and he said that they just said you've got to help and so he started throwing mortars which I'm not sure I guess it's sort of like a hand grenade or something well no that's that's what goes into the tube that they shoot up into the US maybe he's flipping them to the guys or something they were dropping them down into like pits okay yeah sometimes they kind of like crack them and then drop them and so he did that several times and the next day they said hey you got one of them like that the one that you dropped killed one of the Vietnam Kong fighters and he just talks about like

1:45:49how crazy that's been his whole life to live with that fact that it was combat he wasn't a soldier but at that moment he was but just saying you know I've lived my the majority of my life knowing I took a life that was just weird and yeah just weird to hear Rick Springfield yeah killing someone in the Vietnam remember do you you saw the movie we were soldiers yes and the obviously real story and all that but that's similar it's a similar description to what happens to the photo journalist in that I'm Barry Pepper plays him in the movie where he here they're in it and the guys are like here you go buddy you're in this with us you're gonna have to fight because if you don't we're probably all you know you're probably gonna die so here you go here's a gun you're over the last and some and you can see it fading fat so you grab a piece of something that you think it's gonna lie well you know what guys don't you have some KMOX few minutes past 4 p.m.

1:46:55special thanks we're always thankful for you guys to hang for hanging out with us but today on the 25th anniversary of 9-11 and as I've been saying always a weird show to do you know on the radio trying to split the difference between being respectful and compassionate and it's important to remember and commemorate and relive and share I mean we are storytellers right that's what we do this is what we've done for hundreds of thousands of years we tell each other our stories of battles and victories and of defeats and and that's kind of what we're doing today um Rachel and I did the first few miles of the march to the arch this morning I think we'll probably both do it again because it was so absolutely impressive I would encourage anyone in the coming years to do that do it bring your family do it with your son you know do it with

1:47:57the fellow veteran a fellow firefighter because there was just something absolutely privileged having been someone who's never served have never worn a uniform to be in the same group as those who have and were literally wearing their full firefighting gear today walking 21 miles true privilege to spend a few miles with them and to get to know them rage night interviewed several of the people there we're going to present that to you at 4 30 pm a couple of air traffic controllers who are on the job that morning a couple of military guys one who joined because of 9-11 one who is already in the army reserves and did another 16 years and retired after 9-11 and then John who is a Saint Louis city firefighter who is just incredible he just everything you had to say was just you listen to John that'll be at 4 30 um Rachel what do you want to do you want to do some

1:49:00headlines when you some flashback let's do headlines uh Elon Musk should watch out because the world has a number two richest man and it's Michael Dell Dell computers uh he has shoved aside Jeff Bezos and Google co-founder Larry Page on his way to the number two spot just behind Elon Musk move comes as Dell technology stock a record high of around $555 a share I don't think of Dell much like Dell used to be everything you know like every computer was a Dell I'm on a Dell right now so there you go I keep hearing you saying a Dell uh the city wheels is talking about this on a break earlier the CDC is nearing calling an end to this lettuce born cyclospora outbreak so go ahead and have your salad let us eat salad here's what I understand though what did you do how did you stop it I would like to hear that well you're

1:50:04gonna keep it from happening again is the question yeah yes why did this happen was it really because Elon cut people's jobs whose job it was to make sure lettuce doesn't have poop on it is that what it was like I think we deserve a full explanation of figured it out here's what went wrong Dave here's why you don't have to worry about it in the future we don't need to play the blame game here I guess you're right I mean I want to be clear they may have very well explained all of that I just don't have it in front of me yeah um I just know they're saying it's just about over so have your salad meta is launching a paid AI agent to handle everyday tasks so for a fee you could try their new program called Muse a personal AI agent app that can book appointments fill out online forms look at updates from Facebook and Instagram and even watch security camera feeds for you uh the subscription tiers are priced at $20 and $100 a month this is based on how much you use it

1:51:09I'm good I don't need a AI agent to do any of that I have enough free time and I feel like the people who don't have enough free time are maybe paying a human assistant to do those things and make sure that it's getting done properly that being said I'm sure we're all using them in about 18 months here right yeah I'll be eating my words feel like my best friend is Muse or whatever the heck I said its name was uh the original 1977 star wars and the new Star Wars film starfighter are going to hit iMac's theaters in 2027 so a new hope is going to be in iMac's the first quarter select theaters on February 19th to celebrate its 50th anniversary and then later on they're going to do a restored version uh well that'll also be shown across select iMac's film locations uh then three months later the latest addition to the franchise is going to

1:52:12come to iMac's that's going to be May 28th 2027 stars Ryan Gosling starfighter yeah that one's set in the universe but it's not connected to the main storyline from what I understand I just want to know is he going to be acting like Ryan Gosling the whole time I mean it's what he does yeah I don't think he can do anything else he's Ryan Gosling and everything that he's in the option he got it's like it's the top cruise thing right he just he just he's just yeah yeah he's that's they write the they put him in there and go yeah just did you be you I know I'm on the outside when I say this but he's already done several space movies so it's weird to do a third one he did first man then he did the yeah project tell me yeah I almost said gling Gary glen Ross far away well Gary go in Ross in space well they know that space adventure yeah gling Gary glen Ross I don't like well now you're doing another thing we're in space like you know I did a stupid thing last night I used to love Ryan Reynolds and now I just can't stand him for yeah he's ours for lots of

1:53:19reasons yeah but I saw that he had a new movie on Apple and he was a SR 71 Blackbird pilot I like that was Kenneth Brunner we can't it Brunner I love Kenneth Brunner I'm in within five minutes I'm like this is the dumbest thing really and I didn't finish it so in fairness I've not finished the film but I'm not sure who it's for yeah you know a good old cold war comedy but yeah I was thinking about watching it this weekend but maybe now I know I shant it just reminded me how much I just like him yeah is he is he very couldn't be more yeah it's like opening a bottle of coke you know what you're gonna get you know what you're gonna get you know what you're gonna get you know what he's definitely the same dude I think it all started going downhill when he started hanging out with Rob from always sunny yep and it's the same with Rob I always really liked him and then I was like what are you guys doing hanging out I don't like the energy they made each other worse yes they did I don't like it like me and wheels are toxic friends they're not sick friends break up please

1:54:23that's why he renamed himself Rob Mac which everybody hates he says it was Ryan Reynolds idea Ryan Reynolds insisted that he legally changed his name from Rob Macollini to Rob Mac that's upsetting Nintendo has set a release date for classic Zelda remake and they've revealed their first gameplay trailer for the Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time it's gonna launch on the Nintendo Switch to on November 5th now Andrew I initially thought this was just gonna be a straightforward it's Ocarina of Time and you can play it on the Switch but they have made some changes they have a manual jump button a sprint option for traversing high real high rule field and then a continuously moving day night cycle that happens even when Link is inside towns it's kind of a huge change from the old version I love this game I really enjoyed watching my brother play it whenever I was a little kid and it's widely considered to be one of the most influential video games ever made so

1:55:24I'm sure Nintendo is gonna make a ton of money I cried the whole time some of my very favorite memories I have watched 10,000 hours of Link like Phoebe and Nick both loved Windwaker and I've been to every corner of that world I loved it yeah loved it yeah this is it's very special to this is the this year is the 40th anniversary of the franchise yeah the first franchise where the first entry was in 1986 so wow yeah very exciting speaking of video games the White House has removed their build the wall video game from the White House website because Tetris posted a warning to them so last week the White House had unveiled a series of video games centered on President Trump's agenda they mirrored popular games like Tetris snake flappy bird and the Tetris game had players stack bricks to build a wall along the southern border damn we haven't talked about this I saw that

1:56:29what do we do Tetris pushed back almost immediately saying we were not involved in the creation of the game and we take copyright infringement very seriously so White House took that one down well the outside did one a couple days ago where Donald Trump was Link are we still doing build the wall we've been he's been doing build the wall since 2015 like build it could have much bigger wall than it's been 11 years go build damn thing they control Congress right they control everything go build the wall I don't understand everyone I thought we were done with this everyone should donate their five thousand dollars yeah build a wall to foundation see can finally get this done I've always viewed that issue as that's just we just want that for campaign material we don't actually want to do it like so many issues yeah yeah so many issues okay one more story for you guys Andrew princess Diana's revenge dress is for auction yeah that black off the shoulder little number

1:57:33that she wore the night prince Charles admitted his affair on TV in 1994 it's gonna be auction to New York on December 9th it's looking like it's gonna go from about a hundred and fifty thousand to three hundred thousand dollars so get to save him you guys I haven't asked you for much what we would play a thousand dollar six a hundred fifty to three hundred thousand we'll pledge our five thousand dollar checks if I bought it for you uh would Megan be wearing it or would it be like in a glass case I would be wearing you okay yeah I wanted for me I just figured he would end up in the hammock and if you're like just in the hammock yeah I can use it as a napkin the hand makes the place the cap right now have cat hair on it. I want to get throw up all over it. I mean, I almost bought Vince Vaughn's outfit from wedding crashers. What kind of outfit was it? It you know when they

1:58:34come out to play football and they're dressed like dorks. That outfit was on sale for $1,000 and Maureen just happened to walk up stairs. And she's like, what are you doing? I'm like, I'm doing the greatest thing ever. Yes, what honey? I'm getting this for a steal. And she never says no, but that time she's like Dave. Yeah. She's like, why do you want this? And I just think about it. Friends come on from a bar bar with you and I come walking out wearing this and she's like, yeah, that's not going to happen. Why do you want this always really hurts? That's that's always a dagger. Vince Vaughn is like six foot nine. It makes it even fun. Yeah. Welcome back to G S on K M O X. If you guys weren't with us at the start of the show, Rage and I did the first few miles of the march to the arch. This morning

1:59:36they are still going. They have about an hour left, probably maybe a little bit more than that to make it down to the arch grounds. There were about double the people who have ever done the march before. So that's great. I will be there next year. I hope you guys will be there next year. It is really something and I hope you can take part in it. But while we were walking, Rage and I started talking to our fellow walkers and interviewed six of them. And they're really interesting people with really interesting takes. They were all involved in some way or affected in some great way in their life by 9.11. So I think you'll enjoy it. And we will play that for you in about five or six minutes. Rage went to a couple flashbacks. Yeah. I mean, obviously the big one is 25 years ago in 2001, as we've been saying all day at 8.46 a.m. and 9.03 a.m. to high jacked planes were crashed into the World Trade Center. There were

2:00:38two other suicide flights crashed at the Pentagon and the woods of Pennsylvania. A total of 2,792 people died in the World Trade Center attacks. 184 innocent people died in the penitent gone attacks, including those on the plane and 40 died in the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania. I thought it was interesting and appropriate today. They normally do six moments of silence, but they added a seventh for the approximately 9,000 people who have died of 9, 11 related illnesses. Yeah. So, you know, just again, you see the videos from that day, you see what happened, you see the smoke, you see the flames, you know, and then you see the people standing on the rubble for weeks and months and not knowing what they were breathing. Do you remember the dust lady? Yeah. Yes. The picture of that woman just covered in dust. I think she died

2:01:38at 40 or something like that. Wow. From cancer that she thought was basically because of what she breathed in. Yeah. 72 years ago, it was 1954 and the Miss America pageant made its network television debut. Miss California, Leanne Maryweather was crowned the winner and she later played Catwoman in the 1966 movie version of the Batman TV series. I thought I knew everything about Lee Maryweather. I didn't know that. So, Julie Neumar had played Catwoman on the show was already obligated to film a western. So that's why she was replaced with Leanne Maryweather for the film. About that. 59 years ago, 1967, the Carol Burnett show premiered and ran for 11 seasons at 125 primetime Emmy Awards. 90% of my humor comes from the Carol Burnett. Growing up watching Harvey Cormin and Tim Conway, there's nothing funnier than their clips of them breaking each other. Yeah. I bet this was an influential one two day of 55 years ago in 1971, the Tito Jackson and the Jackson

2:02:40Five cartoon show debuted on ABC featuring the Jackson's and their pets, including two rats named Ray and Charles and a snake named Rosie the Crusher. Hate to, uh, hate the correct arrangement. I believe that's pronounced titto. So. I remember that cartoon. I don't thank God. Another television classic 52 years ago, in 1974, little house on the Prairie debuted on TV, starring Michael Landon and the Lissa Gilbert. I love how you just give that angle. Give that flashback as if it means nothing to you. I just like this. It's just a fact. I don't really care. Some people care. I don't care. Didn't change my life. Yeah.