9/11 memories, and Bernie Miklasz joins us!- h2

0:00Welcome back guys DGS on KMO X few minutes past 2 p.m. So we are going to slowly pivot to a normal more normal DGS. But for example, Bernie McCluses on at 2 30 Alvin reads on in 3 we'll talk to them about 9 11 their experiences so it'll be kind of you know going through the show. If you missed that first hour, especially the first half hour, we played you some interviews using the term loosely that Ray Chen, I did we did the first few miles of the March to the arch this morning and I said, Hey, we got these phones in our pockets. Why don't we talk to some of these people and we got some really, really incredible interviews with air traffic controllers and military and a firefighter from the city of St. Louis has walked out there and it's talking about Cogland, our news director and she was like,

1:01damn, man, those those were great, especially that firefighter. We will replay those for you at 4 30. So someone was asking like, Hey, I just joined the show. How can I hear? You can always podcast us on whatever platform you favor. And then at 4 30, we will play those on KMO X. I was laughing at how different the 9 11 experience was for me and Fred bottomer just the on air and off and Fred talked about the weekend after 9 11 putting together this prayer vigil for thousands of people in Forest Park. And what I put together was my first Dave Glover band played that Friday or Saturday night at the hard rock. And the Tuesday or the day after 9 11, I believe it was Sammy Hegar was in town and he was at K. She and I knew that. And when I say I had no money, I had no money because I was still

2:09a flailing lawyer making no money. And radio wasn't paying me. They didn't pay me for another year. So after that, so I had no money. But I went to guitar center and my friend Mark Quinn was there. And I said, I need to get a guitar, a red guitar to have Sammy Hegar sign so I can auction it off at my band gig this Friday. And I remember how he horn swaddled it, but he somehow got me a pretty decent guitar for not a lot of money. And Sammy signed it and we played the gig and we auctioned it off. And some girl was obsessed with Sammy and paid like three grand for it. Some like that. And we sent that off to whoever you sent stuff off to back then. But yeah, very different, very different weeks. So where were you that morning? I was at home and I ended up being that that's where I was for days because we were in all sports radio network. What are you going to do? So at that time, you know, we were sporting news radio. And it's like they just basically called us all and said,

3:10Hey, from stay home until further notice because we're going to run ABC news because it's we can't talk sports during this. Like we can't do that. It's just too weird. So there's like days of just nothing, which man, I was just watching TV the whole time. I wasn't in news. You know, I was 29 years old. So I was, you know, young sports dude. And for us, the world basically stopped, right? Games weren't happening. Your job wasn't happening. I mean, you were still being, you know, you're still getting your pay and all that. But like you were not working. You weren't doing anything. So all we had to do was sit there and watch TV. And it was bizarre in that sense. And then, you know, later in that week, the conversations started, okay, when do we bring sports back? When do we bring comedy back, right? David Letterman, the first one to come back. But when do sports come back? And it was only a week. It felt longer though. I don't know why it was. Yeah, because you know, so I think Fred said he thought that the Cardinals game might have been the 17th. It was either that or the 18th. I don't, I don't remember that specifically. I know the first game that I went to was the first game back for the White Sacks. I lived in suburban

4:12Chicago at the time. And that's where the radio network was. And I was like, well, I want to go to a game and just see it. It was the Yankees. So the Yankees were in Chicago, you know, their first game back after the attacks at home. So clearly they were massively impacted. And it wasn't a huge crowd. It wasn't sold out. And I don't know that it would have been because the White Sacks weren't particularly good at that time. But it was a pretty like enthusiastic crowd, a lot of chanting like USA huge ovation for the Yankees, which is not normal on the South side of Chicago for a visiting team. But it was bizarre because you could hear the buzz of everybody walking in. And I just went as on a ticket. I didn't get a press credential. I didn't do anything special. I just wanted to go be as a see what it was like and like listen to what other people and there was a lot of buzz like, do you think anything's going to happen? What's security going to be like? There's, you know, 20,000 people, not sure. Because that was the whole kind of back to normal, right? Like, well, what, what does that mean? That was just a weird thing for everybody in our line of work. Because for a while, it was just not normal to talk. Like, what are you going to talk about? And even

5:16when we came back, it was weird because we tried to do a lot of stuff, especially on the national side of a lot of like fundraisers. That was a time period where even as a sports guy, we were just raising money for, you know, families in New York. We had spiked Lee was raising money and had a chance to talk to him about, you know, his experience there. What he was doing, he wound up giving, you know, selling his auctioning off his court side tickets. I think for Nixon bulls, which at the time was a huge deal. And a guy bought them an anonymous person bought them for crazy amount of money and then just gave the tickets to two kids whose dad were killed on 9 11. So it's like, it was this whole stretch of like nothing was normal. And I think maybe two weeks later, we were kind of back in our groove. I don't know about you for your end. But I'm like of the group of like you and Fred and all the other people here. I was the one that was just not in this world. So it wasn't I didn't cover it. I didn't have to have any, you know, thoughts on it or anything like that. I just sat and watched like from the sideline.

6:17You know another memory I have. I really remember the I don't know to do with my hands in this. Yeah, yeah. Because I didn't miss a day on the show. And I think I even didn't expand and show the next day after 9 11 if I'm not mistaken. But I remember on that Friday show, I had a priest, a rabbi and an imam, I believe on. And we talked about it, you know, just sort of confronted it head on. And I ended the show, ended the week. And I said something to the effect of, you know, almost like a prayer. You know, maybe we have healing and maybe, you know, a protection. And I ended it with and may we have our revenge. And my boss's boss called me in and dreamed me. Wow. Red me the ride act like I've never had a red to me in my 26 year

7:17career. That's not the tone we want to say here. It's not about revenge. And I went back at him, you know, because I didn't have a radio career to protect. I don't even do it in a year. But I'll always remember that having that argument about like, well, how was that in a pro? That was a pretty common sentiment. I thought what you say. I mean, I, I'm Rachel and Andrew, you guys are pretty young. So I know if you how much you're remembering your how much you remember that was basically the constant conversation is how are we going to get them? When are we going to get them? What are we going to do? Rachel and Andrew, I'm going to guess you guys have mostly snapshots of it. But I was thinking today how you two and Nick will literally be the last generation to remember it at all. Does that hit you much at all? Like, you know, I'm going to be out of here in another 20, 25 years. Like if you have kids and how like, mom, what was that like or tell me about it? Like, does it make an impact on you knowing that? Um, it's mostly, I feel sad that the new generations

8:21don't know, don't have a memory of what the world was like for Americans pre-night. Oh, man, like it did definitely. Again, I was 10 when it happened, but there was definitely like a, we had a lighter step around. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Um, I remember, because I didn't even know what the world trade center was. I was 10 years old and lived in Grafton, right? Um, but when it was explained to me and laid out what was going on, just the stress that I felt the anxiety, the fear, you don't know what's happening, because you're just a little kid and you have no control. Um, that was the first time I had ever experienced any sort of dread on like a global or a national level. I didn't worry about things much. And that was kind of kicked off that stage in my life of, of just having thoughts like that. Um, and I would think, you know, a lot of 16-year-olds had the same experience, right? Right. I was 29. It was the same. Right. I mean, we, same Dave, did,

9:23I mean, there was nothing before that that would have constituted that kind of change. Because I didn't know. I mean, like, Vietnam, but I was, I wasn't born yet. Nothing had affected me. Right. Right. Right. Well, because I just remember on September 11, 2001, like, you know, explaining what's going on. And we're all like, okay, okay. And then they said, well, they had to evacuate the arch. They're evacuating different places in our area. And that was very frightening that it could just happen anywhere at any time. And prior to that, you would never have a thought like that in your life. So, I mean, I hope that the younger generations are able to, to be educated as far as like what it means to people and how important it is to not forget because it is very important. But I also think it's up to us, the older generation, to preserve the memory before that and go, like, okay, so how can we try to get to a place where it's just not so scary anymore? And maybe there's no going back. There's probably not. But I'm glad I got to experience a short period of time.

10:28I can see where you get back to it. I mean, we got back to normal after World War II. Right. I mean, that was that that had to be, it was day to day nonstop terrifying. Yeah. You know, you had millions of troops on the ground and you had, you know, obviously cities burning to the ground in Europe. You know, it didn't happen here, but it did happen in Pearl Harbor. We got back to normal after that. But it took a long time. And what I'm interested is to Rachel's point because the, you know, the catchphrase since the beginning has been never forget, right? We have forgotten a lot of things lessons learned from World War II and all the time, the circumstances around it. And we have gotten a lot of lessons from Vietnam. Eventually, as, and I don't think it's because people actually forget, I think people die with generations move on. And the newer generations did not experience that. So then they start to make the same mistakes. And I think Rachel makes a great point. Hopefully because we have such a, the media environment that we do that that memory doesn't get pushed or side or washed

11:32away like, I think what some of the lessons of World War II and Vietnam did. Well, tell me if I'm just connecting things that aren't connected. If I'm way off base here, this morning I, on 9 11, I like to listen to this YouTube video that puts together different air traffic control. And it's just, it's all playing out. And it's very interesting. And to hear how professional these people were and just how good they are third jobs. It's something I really like to listen to to kind of commemorate 9 11. But I was always watching it every few minutes an ad would hit. And it would be for something like a love island or something. And I'm thinking to myself, yeah, the mantra was never forget. But our culture is more flippant, more unserious. The things we laugh about the things we make fun of, the things we just like push to the side and pretend it doesn't matter. Maybe I'm connecting things that aren't connected here. But in that moment,

12:34I just felt like maybe we have forgotten. Not because these fun, frivolous things exist, but because it does feel like those frivolous things have taken up so much of our society. And then the petty little fights and arguments have taken up so much of our society that it does feel like we've lost side of this greater thing that we should be focused on. Yeah, I agree with that. What a, what a crazy 25 years. Because to Wheeler's point about us coming back after World War II, we wouldn't have come back from World War II as relatively smoothies we did had siloed news stations existed. Yeah. And social media. I think we would have gone off the deep in the same way we have the last quarter century. At that time, there were politics, right? I mean, there were Republicans and Democrats, right? There was disagreement. But it was the way it's the way I remember, you know, from history is that it wasn't one side is the enemy. No, even right before,

13:38we didn't hate each other. 9-11. Yeah. Like Clinton Bush era. And I wasn't super engaged in politics. I was pretty immature. But I remember as a voter, a non-passionate voter going, a six one half doesn't the right. That's definitely the vibe. These guys are older and wider. And these guys play this guy plays a saxophone, but it wasn't anything like it is now. Thank you for being with us on this commemoration of 9-11. Thanks to everyone on the stream. I really appreciate and enjoy you sharing your experiences. I'm reading every single one of them. I wish I could pop you guys on the air because remember you have pretty amazing stories. Quick break right back 97-71, DJS came wax. We'll back DJS and KMO X bottom of the hour. We have Bernie McClus at 3 pm. We have Alvin Reed.

14:41We'll talk to Bernie about sports. And we'll talk to Alvin about Alvin stuff. But we'll check in with those guys on their 9-11 memories. And I just went and peed. And I was laughing while I was peeing because I've been on KMO X for six years now. And I don't think I've ever made the mistake before and said, hey, it's DJS and 97-1. And I just did it. And it's clearly because today and being back down there with Annie and talking about that day when I was on 97-1 just took me back. It really took me back. I was on 97-1 just for a second there. It's amazing. The movies are funny like that. It could be so far away from it and then just kind of snap right back to it all of a sudden. Yeah. So how about you? You haven't said anything. I mean, the mind's very similar to Rachel's, you know, since sixth grade. I wouldn't say I have

15:42snapshots. I have pretty vivid memories of it all. But I definitely, one way that I differ from Rachel is that I don't think I really grasped the severity of the situation. You know, I was kind of a spacey child at best, you know. So I was floating through the world. You know, I remember that morning. I remember things kind of starting to happen while we were like, you know, eating breakfast, getting ready for school or whatever. And then I remember being in English class, this is Barton's class and they wheeled in the TV and they brought the lights down and they did like an announcement on the loudspeaker about, you know, hey, we're going to play you some footage. We're going to show you some stuff. This is a very important thing that's happening. There's been a, you know, planes crashed into the, I'm not even sure if we knew that it was a terror attack at that point. Do you think that was a good idea in hindsight? To show us? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I think so.

16:44You know, I don't remember any of us really being like so disturbed by it because it wasn't like, you know, there are, I don't even know if there was any talk of like, there are thousands dead and this is a horrifying. It was just like, these are things that you need to see. Sort of almost in a way that was like, you know, you will remember this forever, which thus far has been true. And then I remember, I don't remember anything else from school, but after that I went to my after school thing that I did where I waited for my parents to come pick me up. Those kind of down the street from East Middle. And I remember the two ladies that ran that and like, supervised that being very like, you know, they were like sitting in a corner very close together or just kind of whispering to each other back and forth. And I remember being like, oh, what are they're talking about? Which, you know, obviously they were talking about this and how serious it was. And then I remember my mom coming in and, you know, grabbing me and giving me like a big hug and maybe I'm like, yeah, good to see you too. I don't know. And then her was, she's her being like, this is a, this is a very big day. And definitely her trying to impress.

17:49And I'm sure it did get through, you know, because obviously I remember it as being a very serious day. But definitely her, then her trying to impress like, I can't even tell you how scary this day is for, you know, grownups and how serious this is. Yeah. And Nick was six. And his mom and I were together at that point. And I was supposed to have him that night. And clearly didn't because I was on the air till 10 p.m. But I picked him up the next morning to take him to school like I always did. And talk to him about it. And I'll never forget that. You know, you guys know Nick. He's such a sensitive intelligent human. And even at six, he, he took it very somberly, you know, and, uh, yeah, isn't it something that we all, we all have our story. Mm-hmm. It's one of those you have, if you were of any age, you have one. And I wonder how long it is until we stop doing this. We do this in 20 years. We do this in 50 years. I don't know. It's a great question. I thought about

18:53that when you were saying like, you know, what Rachel and I might say to like the vastly future generations about this. And I found myself wondering, you know, at what point will there be so few like the majority of people will not have been alive for it. Yeah. So at what point do we as a nation kind of move on from it for lack of a better term? I don't want to say stop caring. But you know what I'm trying to say. Sure. There's so few people today that remember World War Two. Yeah. Remember it. Remember it. Yeah. And, and we definitely remember that in a way, but it has lost, I think, a lot of that weight to a lot of people. And I wonder if that will happen with us too. Yeah. Yeah. Welcome back guys. DGS on KMOX. Happy Friday. Thanks for being with us today. We did about 90 minutes of

19:55World of War 9 11 stuff, including some interviews. Rage and I did this morning with some first responders, military, some air traffic controllers who just happened to be walking next to us with us on the march to the arch and very powerful stuff. And we're going to replay that for you at 430 PM today. So if you didn't get to hear it at one, you can hear it at 430. Right now we bring in our pal Bernie Nicholas, hello, burn Dave. How are you, sir? Doing okay, buddy? Doing okay. 9 11 is always a weird day for everybody for their own reasons. I want to eventually talk about at least the 2006 Cardinals who were being celebrated this weekend. But I would love to hear either or both your 9 11 story or just approach it from the sports angle. Like wheels were talking about that weird period of a few days or a couple of weeks where no one knew it to do with their hands.

20:56Well, I'll never forget the morning because I actually was about to go on live radio on KMOX, like the morning show. And the producer talked to me through the head through the phone, said, you know, something just happened in New York. It looks really bad. We're going to have to cancel your segment. And I'm like, well, what happened? You know, we'll just go to CNN or whatever, you know, or listen to us. We'll have it. So that's how I found out. And it was a strange day, like all Americans who were watching it from a distance. It was a really strange day, very unsettling day, kind of a shocking day. And then you get back to work and then I'll never forget the first, the first, the first flight that I caught, the Rams were playing out of San Francisco. And I remember how weird it was to be in the airport, how weird it was,

21:59because you're looking around at your fellow passengers and everybody's uneasy, because this was the first time I think a lot of people on board that plane had been on a plane since 9-11. And I remember, you know, having, I think, typical thoughts. I was sitting near the front, you know, I had gotten upgraded. And I'm not saying that to brag. I'm just trying to give you the setting. And so it was, I was like in the second row. And I remember just thinking, well, if somebody charges towards that door, they're going to have to go through me and whatever happens happens. I mean, I really, you know, you gas what a strange time. You're thinking about how you could thwart a terrorist attack, just taking a flight to San Francisco. You know what I mean? I do. And then it then it changed sports dramatically and some unbelievable scenes with Jack Bucket, Bush Stadium, George W Bush thrown out the first pitch at Yankee Stadium. I mean, there's just some really, really extraordinary moments, but it's a cliche, but life was never really

23:06the same. But in some ways, it's, it's even gotten tougher now as far as not knowing what's going to hit you next. I heard an interview with George W Bush. And I have had the privilege of throwing out a first pitch. And I've never in my life been that nervous. And he said, you better believe there was no way I wasn't throwing that ball right down the middle. And I've always loved that. Like that's that's a special level of I get it and a special level of confidence. He's like, there was no way I was going to bounce that ball on the first, the first one back. He did throw perfect strike. You know, I had a chance to talk to him one time about that and opening day in St. Louis in 2004 when he threw out the first pitch and it was a strike. And he said, he left and he said, well, you don't think I, you don't think I warmed up or anything. And I said, yeah, I think maybe you did. Well, he says, you're dang right. I did. I'm going to embarrass myself. So,

24:11you know, he was a great, such a great baseball fan. I knew him a little bit when he was the chairman of the Texas Rangers before I moved back to St. Louis. We would talk baseball all the time. And the thing about George W. George W. Bush, if I can tell a really quick, funny story, of course. He'd be his president. He'd be traveling around the world. I mean, he could be anywhere. But he wanted to get caught up in the baseball gossip. So he would call, he would call him like some of my friends in the Dallas Fort Worth media. He'd call like the columnist Randy Galloway. Oh, yeah. The Air Force one. He's like, wait, Galloway, what town's going on with their Rangers? You know, and he'd want to know all the sports gossip. You know, he would call a guy named Jim Reaves, who was a classic old time baseball writer at the Fort Worth Start Telegram. His name was Rivo. You know, Rivo get a call 330 and more Rivo. What, Rangers blew a seven run lead? What attack happened? Fill me in. You know, so he constantly calling baseball writers from Air Force one. I kind of love that actually, but anyway. Yeah. My son, Nick, I always says, all George Bush ever

25:14wanted was to be the commissioner of baseball. Like he did. Yeah. Just what a different world. And no shade to George W. But just, yeah, that's all I ever wanted to do. Just be the commissioner. He, yeah, I, I, it's, it's just so all those memories has come flashing back to you. And some of them have to be personal, you know, I remember thinking, how do I explain this to my daughter? You know, how do you make sense of something like this? Right? So, obviously, I'm not meant to be slick, but it was only five years after that that we had the 2016. Um, just, you know, you got three or four minutes left. Tell me about the 2016 and your memory. Well, you had, um, you had some great players on that team. And the part that gets overlooked is, yeah, they, they almost coughed up the lead down the stretch. At one point, they, they had lost like eight out of 10 games. And they were, they were perilously close to blowing it. And we had

26:19them on the other day on KMWX. Got Speezie. Oh, hit a, hit a basses loaded triple where they were trailing, trailing the Brewers to to nothing in the bottom of the eighth. You know, if they had lost that game, they may have gone over the cliff. That was one of the biggest hits of the season. So let me, let me, so that was very dramatic. But here's the thing. You know, because people will point out, and by the way, they should, that team only won 83 games. I mean, that must have, that was, that was in a good team. Actually, it was a hell of a team. Uh, it was beat up. It had all kinds of injuries. And I remember, Larusah talking to Larusah about this. And he said, look, I know we've been playing bad. You know, I know it's been a struggle. He said, but we're getting, he said, well, have our guys back. Well, have our guys back. So don't, don't, don't assume anything. And I was kind of like, okay, because I know, I know Larusah was going to be optimistic no matter what. But I remember, I remember being there San Diego for the right before game one. And just standing close, near the, uh, Cardinals, the visiting clubhouse, they were getting off the

27:21bus for a workout. And you see all these guys walk past. I mean, you're just like looking at each guy as they walk past. And I remember turning a Rick Hummel. And I'm like, damn, that team's got a lot of talent. So if they're, you know, if they really are healthy, this, this is going to get really interesting. Plus they've got nothing to lose because nobody, everybody thinks they're lousy. But you, like, you, you, I got a full sense just seeing these guys walk in all confident, looking healthy. Nobody limp and thinking, okay, well, this ought to be, uh, this ought to be an adventure. And that's what happened. I mean, in the first game, Chris Carpenter Shelves, pulls hits a big home run. They, they blow out Jake PV who was the Psy Young Award winner that year. And then, then in the second game, Jeff Weaver, who was one of the greatest turnarounds by Dave Duncan ever, uh, I thought, uh, I don't, I don't know if Weaver's ready for this. And he was

28:22going to go against David Wells, the big guy who was having a great year. And, um, he, he completely outpitched David Wells and all of a sudden, and Cardinals are going back to St. Louis, two, oh, and it's like, they've got something going here. I wouldn't, I wouldn't count these guys out now. This is, this is, this is a different team. You can just see it. It was fascinating. Wasn't it, in Bern, when you, because I, I walked into this in the middle of August of 2006, that's when I got the job here at Camelax. I started, you know, right in the middle of that second, the last month. And it was the same, I had the same vibe, like as an observer from the outside for most of the year. They just felt like it never clicked. And obviously, you know, the pitching burn was kind of scattered throughout the year. They had to figure out things because molder struggled and, you know, you had to kind of piece it together. And it was a bunch of young guys at times. And you, you know, you have guys that got to the playoffs and wildly outperformed their regular season, which was really fascinating to watch. The one thing I give

29:22LaRouce and Duncan credit for, this should never be forgotten. They had the courage of their convictions to go with a, with a kid bullpen 2006. They, Jason Isnerhausen couldn't pitch his hip with shot. He had to have surgery. He couldn't even try to pitch. And they, they looked around and they're like, we're, we're going to give the ball to the kid. The big kid being Adam Wainwright. One of the best managerial decisions made in the history of the franchise. And that's not, because you think about what he did. But it wasn't just that. They're two primary setup guys were lefty Tyler Johnson and, and right-handed Josh Kinney. They were both rookies. And they were, that, that three, that three rookie bullpen as your primary pieces, they were lights out that postseason. Oh, there was a hiccup here and there. But think about some of these managers. Oh, no, no, we can't, we can't trust these kids. You know, we're here. You know, and LaRouce always got a knock. Well, you know, he doesn't like young players. And I was like, well, what is that

30:22based on? His rosters are loaded with great veterans. So what, what you, you, you want him to play a young guy who's one third is good because what? It would make you feel better. No, when, when he had great veterans, he rode with veterans. But if the veterans were hurt or the veterans were missing, he didn't hesitate to give young talent a chance. No. And I mean, that was evidence with Yada Yermalena being in the position that he was in. You know, he got, he was, he was, he was in a different category. Yeah, I'm just saying he was, he was in the circle of trust day one, which is bizarre. And the same thing for Albert. And I think, you know, look, we all know how great Albert was, you know, he's first ball at Hall of Fame. We all know what he is, right? He's an inner circle, one of the greatest hitters of all time. That year, though, that's the, that's the rock that kept it moving. You know, when Jim Edmunds was missing time and other guys are missing time, he could not, I don't know that you can think of a guy that could be much better. I mean, 330 with 49 home runs. And what we know is not a great ballpark for home runs. I mean, like that was, that is

31:23one of those seasons where it's like, okay, yeah, we got there and we had a lot of good players. But I don't know that you get to the playoffs and hold on to that division. If Albert wasn't at that level, you know, elite, like Hall of Fame anchor level, like he can carry a team. But the only thing, and I'm not disagreeing with you, but the only thing, Albert did that from day one of the major. Yeah. So it wasn't like all of a sudden. Nope. He elevated his performance in some big way. I mean, that's why his nickname is the machine. Yeah. It was that every year until he started to get a little older. But, you know, Scott Rowland was fantastic that year, for example. Yeah. There were, there were a bunch of other, but you know, how to deal with injuries and everything. They had somebody good players that year. And it just, you know, was one of those situations where Jim Edmonds was the key to turn around. The other thing is the trade wall jacket he made for, you know, Jeff Weaver. It was brilliant because he had faith in Duncan. And getting, getting

32:23Ronnie Beliard from Cleveland to play second base, he may have saved game one with a dynamic play in San Diego. Yeah, completely. Yeah. Go ahead. Then another rookie, you know, Anthony Reyes Yes. Pits one of the great games and Cardinals postseason history. They gave him the ball and game one of the World Series. They didn't have any choice. Many choices. But he beat a rookie name Justin Verlander. And after that, the Tigers were pretty much, they were wobble because they couldn't believe they lost to a guy named Anthony Reyes. They, you know, and also another, you know, and who another big guy in that 2006 whole thing was was Chris Duncan God rest his soul. Yes. Chris Duncan got my line because he looked clumsy in left field. I anybody that was making fun of him in 2006 go to baseball reference and look at his offensive stats. Thank you. Thank you very much. Do you remember them Dave? Like don't, don't have 22 home runs in about half a season. And also was it Bernie like 950 something OPS like

33:28he was, he was as a lead as anybody in the national league for those 90 games. And he had a he had a nice game one too. Yeah, and he slugged five nearly 600. He was fantastic. He was fantastic. He was fantastic. He gave a left hand of power element that really came in big when Jimmy Edmonds was hurting and not able to hit for power. At 430 will replay the first half hour of the show. Rage and I did the first few miles today on the march to the arch with a couple hundred at least maybe 300 of the other fellow citizens, firefighters, military people, aircraft, their controllers. We interviewed several of them. I thought it was just great. They were very honest and it was just it was really something.

34:30So we'll replay that for you if you didn't get to hear it at 430 pm. Rage is not like we did a bunch of miles with them or we got to meet everyone. But I just keep thinking about them. They're still out there. They're walking. They're going to hit the arch grounds around 530 pm. I was talking to Beth Cogland that next year. I would love to do the whole walk. But more importantly, I would like Camelax to be more involved. Maybe we could call into each of the shows from the walk and then be waiting for them. Well, I believe it'll be on a Saturday next year, right? Yeah, I guess you're right. It's not a leap year or anything. So it should be really easy for us to participate in that. Maybe we can make a video again. I was going to take this little bit of time here to tell you guys. I saw a clip of Gavin Newsom's interview that he did with Omnitna Vaz from PBS Doos Hour. And she asked him, hey, if you run for

35:36president, are you going to keep doing your podcast? Because he has a podcast, apparently. I've never heard a second of it. And he didn't answer the question and it made me so mad. Like he took the opportunity to explain why it's good that he has a podcast. But he didn't say, yes, I'll keep doing it. Or no, of course, I would stop if I was the president of the United States. And I don't know, I've just never paid that much attention to him. But the way he wiggled out of it, I was like, oh, gross. I hate this. And that's just how how everybody gets to act now. It's like, well, I don't actually have to answer the question. I'll just kind of kick the key in down the road for a little bit. Yeah. Summer. Maybe seeing a lot more of him the next couple of years.