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3:04At 1 a.m. Eastern, a judge ordered that the Trump administration had to restore White House access to CNN, MS now, and Politico. As of 9 a.m. though, this CNN correspondent had not been allowed back to her workplace at the White House, so it appears, according to Brian Stelter, that the White House may be in defiance of a court order. Alright, that's all fine. Let's get some important stuff. Hit it, Roy! It's time to play Is this Journalism? That's right, Dan. I'm your host Jonathan Zazlow. And on today's edition of Is This Journalism, let me take you back to Earth. Earlier in this week, Maryland's football coach, Mike Loxley, having a rough go of it, not a lot of winning since Loxley got to Maryland this past weekend, especially they played Virginia Tech, which means their old rival, James Franklin, came in and took that ass.

4:05Well, here's Mike Loxley getting grilled by a reporter. Hey, Mike, you said it after the game Saturday. You said it several times after losses over the years that you're going to learn from it, you're going to get things fixed, correct it. Yet losses like Saturday continue to happen, where you get out coached, you get up played, and then you cannot have to worry, and you make the same promises. Do you feel like you deserve more chances to keep saying you're going to learn from losses? Well, I think everybody at this point expects more from you. Go back and break your question now, because you seem like you went on. What are you asking me? Let's get to that. You after losses like Saturday, you keep saying that you're going to learn from them? Got it. Okay, I understand that. So, it goes back to what my open statement was, was that I understand why you asked the question, why you say those things. I understand why the fans are frustrated. They've earned the right for us to play better than we have. They won't get fixed here at the podium, they get fixed across the street with the work

5:07we do. We continue to do the work, we continue to improve, we'll continue to do the things we have to do to earn their trust back. I guess the point is, you're lucky, it's very, one that shows them happy with you. I'm very lucky to have you. I think you could leave me with a pair of thank you and my honor. Coach, obviously you. They took the mic away from him, Dan. They wouldn't let him with the follow up. Amino Hassan, is this journalism? It's a witch hunt. But it's also journalism. Guys, I couldn't hear a word. We're trying to do more picture and picture stuff and unfortunate for David Samson, he wasn't in that meeting and I got an insight into his preparation before he does a hit and it was a lot. We caught him blowing his nose, I don't think he knew he was on camera. What were the assortments of Callisthenics that he was doing to get a good yarn? Blowing his nose is the least of it. We did that three times, he applied chapter 12. He opened up with a huge yarn as the sound played.

6:10So already I'm like, well, if say it's a check out, I should. Then he blew his nose, then he had some water, then he blew his nose again, then he applied chapter six, then he blew his nose again. That's get your eye out. Then he wiped his mouth, then he got a batting donut and started swinging in the on deck circle. It was crazy. Samson, you didn't know that you were on air, right? At various points, there were all sorts of fluids coming from various orifices and you were applying enough materials to your face to make it appear you were embalming yourself. Listen, if you tell me to be ready at a certain time, I'm ready, but if then you go into, is this journalism with something that is of little or no interest to me, I'm going to go ahead and have to redo everything I do to prepare to be ready at the time. You tell me to be ready. So you just have to give me an actual time. I know. It's four minutes late to get to you and it's because Asla wanted to do is this journalism and Roy wanted to play that music from a 1920s game show before the invention of television

7:12because we can't get any good public domain music. So we're playing B worst possible music, but you didn't know you were on camera and the things that you did, Tony, you saw this. What were the weirdest things he did because he was shaking his tongue back and forth with his head thrown back. There were an assortment of things he was doing to make sure the fluids don't come out of his mouth, nose and ears. He blew his nose twice, but then he wiped his mouth of whatever fluids came out and then he drank water and then applied chapsic and then wiped his face again and then drank water again and then put the chapsic back on for the second time. It was like watching a NASCAR and the pit crew just putting ointments and just like putting his face together and so that so that he would be ready. It was all very strange to watch David. Can we get a, can we, at some point here, let's play this back for him so he can see how ridiculous it looks in the PIP section. We'll do that in the PIP. Hey David. Dan, actually there's a story to this which is you Dan because you called me after a show and you said I'm sending you a photo and you sent me a close up of a little piece

8:16of tissue that had gotten stuck in my mustache one time and so ever since that I've had to you have a not blow but a not a show, a hanky where I wipe the mustache to make sure that if there's any remnant of a tissue or chapsic or anything that it's not on my mustache. So now it's become one of the things I have to do many times because of you Dan. Okay, that doesn't explain why you threw your head back and shook your tongue back and forth. It doesn't explain why it is. You blew your nose three separate times. It doesn't explain why you were yawning as if we were boring you. No, I was yawning because I'm tired and I have, I did nothing personal this morning. It was a very busy nothing personal. There's so much going on in the world of sports and then I got the story this morning of what happened in federal court in the middle of the night. So I had to explain what it means when there's a temporary injunction given and what it is to have the judicial branch and the executive branch fighting the way they are.

9:17So I had to work that in, coke is out of town. So it was all happening and then I've got you which is I love and then I'm doing a Pablo show after this. So all I'm saying is I was just a little tired, but I'm ready. Let's not wait anymore. Okay, I've got a lot I want to I've got a lot I want to ask you, but first let's attack what's happening with with Trump in the White House as the 45th biggest distraction scandal so that he can steal all of the money and weaponize all the government arms. Well, the judge did not talk about that. What actually happened is when Trump took away the credentials for CNN, MSN now in Politico, he did it under the theory of, hey, this is national security. And ever since 9-11, when you say national security, the executive branch has a lot of extra power, not just red but blue. And that job has a lot more latitude to do what they want under the guise of national security. And we as a country have been okay with that and we touched on it a little bit last week.

10:20But now 25 years later, Query is that power now out of balance. And so what the president did is said, no, no, I didn't take away their credentials because I don't like what they're saying. I took away their credentials because it is a national security issue. Ding, ding, ding. It's okay. First amendment doesn't matter. Constitution were good. Well the court found yesterday the judge, Judge Kelly, a federal judge said, well, actually, you only said national security after the fact. Before the fact, you said I don't like what they're saying. That's not good enough. Therefore you've got 14 days to get your act together. 14 days to show, hey, there really are national security issues here. He won't be able to do it in 140 days obviously because the credentials were taken away solely because he doesn't like what they say about me. Okay. But David, there's something going on here, right? Approval rating at an all time, not for him, low. No one's ever seen this kind of low because the American people are rebelling against these

11:25fracturing of just core principles. It is happening. But he's starting Trump TV as this happens and that feels a whole lot like what we do in a communist country. Yeah, I actually don't think that's why it's approval rating is 32%. I think it's a proven rate. It's not made. No, Nate Silver is saying here. Nate Silver is saying he's at minus 22.4, his low point for the term and now lower than at any point in his first term, even after January 6th. Yeah. I don't know what minus 22 approval rating means. Does that mean 22% people who don't exist? I thought zero would be the max. This is the least popular he's been, David. It seems fairly obvious. So Dan, but it's because of economics to me. It's because of where people are. People have been fed alive by Trump consistently. Hey, you're going to be rich. You're going to be just like I am. You're going to be economically in a better position today than you were yesterday. And if you ask people what they will tell you is, yeah, the border interesting, immigration,

12:29all right, we'll talk about it. What's going on in the Middle East? But what they really care about is their wallet, their purchasing power, they care about inflation, they care about how much it costs to do what it is they want to do. And that is where they've run into a problem. That's why his approval ratings low. If everyone were feeling good about themselves economically, I don't care what was going on with him banning media, with him invading all the things he does that are, you know, what could or bad depending on the point of view. None of it would impact his approval rating. Let's do the bucket here real quick before we get into some sports things that I want to get into with David. We're going to pick for you down here and you tell us whether you want to keep this Roy is picking your team for you. If you lose, you have to wear a costume as punishment. What did you pick there, Roy? The Chicago Bears. So the Bears are going to be on their third quarterback, David. The Bears don't have already. Where they're first. We don't know yet. We don't know. I thought Caleb Williams was going to be out for almost sure.

13:29Is he not? You can never tell that. Right now, they're four and a half point dog at home against the Eagles. Can you put that back Roy, please, because Caleb Williams, when he left, it felt like a rocky blire moment, I think that he's not going to play. A nice 1970s reference. This is go 49ers. Good helmet. Always a good helmet. Just signed branding cooks. The 49ers are, let me, oh, they're at home against the Cardinals. They're an eight and a half point favorite. That's good for you. Let me ask you what your take was and we'll get into the baseball stuff with you in a second. But Pablo Torrey and his reporting with mother Jones here, you saw the episode. I think this has the potential to be a fairly seismic story. What were your thoughts on what it is that you saw? Not everything can be seismic. I think it's an interesting story, but it's as old as time that when it comes to religion, there's going to be scams. You talk about from Joe Lostin all the way back to Pat Robertson and Jerry Fowell.

14:35The reality is that all the people who stand behind religion, all that. Let me take that back. A ledge. Many of the ledge scams as well. Say a ledge. I'm talking about actual scams in the past, not alleged. I'm talking about people who have served prison time. People who have gone broke into prison because they have stolen the money of windows, orphans, and the elderly under the guise of God. Under the guise of I can save you. Under the guise of I can heal you or cure you. Under the guise of you can be rich, like Jordan Belford type stuff. It's all absolute crap. So am I shocked that life surge is absolutely a scam to get you to pay money because people want to be rich when they're not or people want to make money when they can't. That is as old as cavemen. Do I think that the hook here for Pablo was Tim Tebow doing 23 appearances and being this holier than now Christian athlete?

15:36I've been a virgin forever and look at my biceps. I'm a superhero with needles. Whatever, I don't care about any of that. What Pablo is investigating is what is serious about fraud. And Tim Tebow did he commit fraud by taking speakers fees or by coming out and saying, please sign up for these classes and please go with God. That's going to be harder to prove in my opinion than the actual founder of life surge who's ready. Joe Johnson had issues with law and with the FTC, etc. And harder for the guy from ZZ top who is on the show whose name I forgot. He's not really ZZ top. That was a beer reference folks for those. Another 1970s reference. Yes. I know Joe is to go with Rocky, to go with Rocky Blire. ZZ top is not a 70s reference. Of course it is. They're still touring. No, the reference has legs. Thank you Mike. Finally one time. You have my back. He was just doing it for the legs, Joe. He wasn't doing that to support you.

16:37He just had in the holster the one ZZ top song that everybody knows. Legs right? Oh, I get it. Samson said something a second ago and I believe he's got it wrong. I think that the reason that Tim Tebow or one of the reasons that Tim Tebow is America's most trusted Christian athlete is because somehow and this might be the miracle of miracle with Tebow who has a number of them on his resume. Somehow Tim Tebow is actually holier than most of you but doesn't give off holier than thou. Like does not actually give off. I'm better at you, better at holy than you are. It's one of the reasons he's one of the most likable athletes in America and will forever be. Yeah, I have a problem with that because my experience over 18 years says the following. The number one God squatters I came across where the guys flowing into chapel Sunday morning

17:38at the ballpark straight from the bars Saturday night. They were flowing into chapel directly from the bed of a woman who's not their wife. So I've just never been a huge fan of the God squatters whether they're Jewish or not Jewish. That's not the issue for me. So coming off is the holier than thou and I am the most pious guy in the world. My experience just says that's not the case. Are there exceptions? Sure. No, but he was the nicest guy in the world. But my can speak to this though, like this is no one thinks the Tim Tebow is a fraud who deals with him in private circles. This is no one thinks Tim Tebow is wearing a mask. He's interacting with too many people, David, for the entirety of that to be accused of being fraudulent. I don't think anyone who interacts with Tim Tebow thinks any of that is fraudulent. That just makes some Kaiser Soze. So that's not actually relevant when you are evaluating how many times have people smile at your face when there's a knife going in your back. No, but how you treat people matters on how he walks this line.

18:39He does not give off holier than thou. It's why he's you do more than him. You do more than him. I do more than him. Damn, there is no chance that he is part of life's surge and he is taking speaking engagements not on a one off basis and not understanding what the product is that he is selling. I refused to believe it. I do. I refuse to believe it unless we actually catch him in the act involved with these scams. I really do. In the act of what? As like having conversations with the guys who are in charge of life's surge about how they are scamming these people for capitalistic reasons. So it just seems natural to you that allegedly you pay $29, go up to $97 and then you are given a credit card and a credit card stacking scheme by the way where you get zero percent interest. It's okay. You're right. I take it back. It's a ledger that the woman who's on PTFO, she may be making up the fact that there

19:42were zero percent credit cards that all of a sudden had interest rates that approach 30%. It is all in the fine print. They should have known that there's no such thing as zero percent credit cards. But when you put religion and God into it, you are basically getting people at their most, shall we say, believing in what you are saying? They are their most vulnerable when you use God, which is why all the God squatters use God in order to make money because definitionally everyone is more vulnerable. That's how the whole scam works all the time. Totally agree. Totally agree. Like all of that, if you've seen Pablo's episode allegedly, it looks like they are scamming people. But these are two different conversations. There's that part and there's the part about is Tibo in on all of it. And that's the part that I object to. That's the part that I want to see evidence. But here's the other part of this, Samson. The story does not get ZZ Top's legs if not for having Tim Tibo's halo atop it.

20:44So that's where you and I differ because I don't want to need a hook. What was the hook in the aspiration story that it was Steve Balmer, the ninth richest person in the world, that it was Kawaii Leonard, the superstar? No, because Gary Trent Jr. is going to get just as much attention if the bucks get docked, what I think they're going to get docked for that contract that they did with Gary Trent Jr. It's Milwaukee and it's Gary Trent. It shouldn't have legs at all. But in fact, it's going to. And so for me, it's about what's the story? The story in religion with God and scamming, it always has legs. You don't need Tim Tibo in order for it to matter. You need the existence of the widow's orphans in elderly and Pablo got one of them on camera and the Department of Justice and the feds are going to be able to get a lot more to testify when they're subpoenaed about what happened in this case. So I might be the youngest on the show, but I am now in my 30s. And I've reached a point where I'm genuinely trying to be more intentional about what I put

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23:48Jeremy Touchy. It's the final night down. This is the down Levitar show. Vlad Guerrero Jr. has made some news with an interview that he gave in Spain. That's right. Yeah. So you're familiar with the quote, basically, the contract that I got is for what I did. They don't expect me to hit 40 every year. It's not for what I'm going to do. They rewarded me for what I did. Obviously not something you want to hear from your superstar. What was your take on the matter? So you mentioned he did it in Spanish. And I covered this. I led with this this morning is the concern Mike that it may have been misunderstood by the person who did the interview. Because if it is Mike, he doubled down. And he's not just doubling down on what he said. He did it in the most amazing way that tried to walk it back at the same time.

24:51And you don't see that every day. Because once this came out, obviously he was getting crushed every which way but loose. But now what he's saying is obviously I try hard. I had a bad year. I want to be better. I'm going to have a good off season to be ready to go next year. However, the contract I have, of course, is for what I did. Mistakingly thinking we were upset that he wasn't going to try going forward. No, no. What's upsetting to fans as it should be is if teams are paying athletes for what they've done, then in no ways it going to help what fans care about, which is the current year. That's all fans care about. What are we going to do this year? And currently the blue Jays, obviously, out of the playoffs. So Vladimir just did the quiet part out loud. And he realized very quickly through his agents and through his union that they had to stop that. Because this is what's being negotiated right now inside the room where the CBA is being negotiated with MLB and the players. It's about contract length.

25:51It's about salary caps and it's about not wanting to pay players for what they did, wanting to pay players for what they will do. Every which way but loose, a 1970s reference of a clean Eastwood movie. Yeah, we're going to start keeping tabs of this. But I want to ask you as it relates to Vlad Guerrero, okay, because I've not heard the sound. I don't know what his difficulties are in his second language in English or what his education level is, but I bring it up because I remember his father who had a sixth grade education and was an adult toddler, okay, that lived with his mother as a superstar well into his thirties. That Vladimir Guerrero senior would not give interviews for fear of being heard like this. His father would never have given this interview. The blue Jays have been terrible this year after they were good enough to win the World Series last year. Should have won the World Series last year because of this player. They gave him an extraordinary amount of money and he's hit like one home run at home

26:55all season. If you're being the kindest and most careful that you can be here about trying to think about what Vlad Guerrero Jr. Could possibly have gotten innocently wrong here. What's the most delicate way you would handle this if you were saying this is a product of him being uneducated? I won't give you that excuse. Now Vladimir Sr. was one of our players, Dan, and you're right. He was not literate and we tried to help him. We wanted to help him with reading and writing and with maybe speaking a little bit of English though that was not even important to us. We just wanted him to be able to get through airports on his own, which he was not able to do. We wanted him to be in a position to grow up and be able to function no matter how much money he made. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. grew up differently. I've known him since he was a kid. He grew up totally in a different world than Vladimir Guerrero Sr. And especially in this world of social media and podcast interviews and all the things that these players do now, there was no mistaking what he said.

27:58It really is what he felt. What the funny part is, he actually didn't think it was a big deal. Of course we get paid for what we've done. That's how I was told by my agent to negotiate my contract with the Jays. It's only the quiet part being out loud that caused the stir. Was he receptive to your attempt to help? Mike the answer was receptive would be pejorative of his said he wasn't. I would say he did not take the shooter in. I went with him to commercial airports to walk him through security and gates and things like that. And this was pre-9-11. So receptive would not be the word I would use. But understanding of the need to have these real world skills, yes he was. I don't know how I'm going to segue from I'm not totally sure that he knows what you were doing there because I don't think he knows how vigorously he cleared his throat right into the microphone in a way that was invasive to the listening audience.

29:00I feel like I feel like the listening audience feels like there is spittle from David's face. And because of how aggressively he did that into the microphone. It's weird that happened to him considering the preppy does before his hits. Did I not get to the mute button in time? Is that what happened? No! The mute button didn't help. Thank you guys. Thank you. Can we play on? Have you not learned even though you don't get the show? No, we have to see. There are people that are listening to this right now that are wiping their face off because they feel like you just spit spittle. David it was very aggressive. I want you to move on Dan. I have hair got... Tony you know that moment at a party or a tailgate where everything just sort of clicks. I know well it's usually when I show up everybody goes crazy. Yeah you usually take all the credit for it but it's because Tony usually walks in with queer. I'm blocking my piss. Yeah yeah yeah. Quarovo is a thing that turns hanging out into this is the night.

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32:03St. Judge Coach, sweetie. Chris Cody. Ashko Sello. This is the Down Levitar show. I don't know how to segue from that into what is legitimately emotional subject matter for David Samson. I don't believe that there is anything that has happened in sports that has hit him harder in a place where he has feeling. There aren't that many in the robot that is David Samson of suffering and attempting to really feel deeply the things some of us feel in normal human life. But Jose Fernandez passing away and it being ten years, the shocking nature of youth

33:03extinguished so young, I remember David as someone who over the last ten years has cried way too much on television to not be embarrassed by how often it's happened to me. I think one of the first times it ever happened to me and it caught me off guard was talking about his death the day after it happened on sports center. I was not expecting it and I got caught off guard by how it hit me because of what a symbol he was of hope and possibility and the American dream and Miami. Have you ever had anything in sports as we're coming up here on the anniversary? Have you had anything in sports that has hurt you even close to that? No, of course not. When you get a call from Fish and Wildlife and it was Mike Hill on the phone and Fish and Wildlife and you have to identify any markings on a body because the view is it can't be

34:03your picture Jose Fernandez that's impossible. I was a David Samson, a Jewish guy running a baseball team and I said to the guy there's a million Jose Fernandez's this can't be and then I said is there a bicycle tattoo? Obviously not but if there's no bicycle tattoo on his leg then it's not our picture and I remember where I was when I was told yes I am looking at a bicycle crank tattoo and that's when I knew that it was Jose and I couldn't believe it and it was early morning on Sunday September 25th 2016 and I said to Mike get dressed I'll be at your place in eight minutes and I was thinking in my head what do I say to his family? How does this work now? Are there any other players who are not alive? We have to keep track and I had a list in my head of all these things we had to do immediately which is call every player both on the Braves and the Marlins we were supposed to play the Braves

35:08and we had to wake up every player we had to make sure that we could report to the commissioner that we had track of every single player and every staff member so we could know who else could have died on that boat. Then what do we do stupid things about the game? We have to cancel the game do we play again tomorrow? What do we say to the Metz who are flying into town to play? How does that work? And then immediately what do we do about that day with his family and with the players? So we made the players come into the ballpark for a game that was not going to be played so we could tell the players what had happened but it had been broken by as you may remember Andy Slater broke the news before we were ready to get information to the players. I had just woken up the owner who was not in Florida. We had just woken up Don Mattingley the manager to give the news. And so all we did all morning was just wake people to tell him that the worst tragedy

36:10possible had happened and then it just became a blur. And at the time you may remember on September 24th of 2016 everything was great. We were in the race. We had a team Jose was going to be the best pitcher in all of baseball. We were proud of the team was standing in Yellowstone, Ozone and JT and then that was it. And to this day when I when I look at Penelope or think about her and Maria the mother of his child who was pregnant at the time he died, it's an everyday reminder of a life gone way too soon and of what it could have been. And so for me it changed everything about my life. The owner sold the team after that. It changed everything and I was out of baseball. It changed the way I look at boats. It changed the way I look at drugs. It changed the way I looked at everything and I don't know how to recover from it Dan because I still live in it every day by dealing with the remnants of what happened which

37:10still exists. And on a side note Dan last thing I got the most unbelievable text from Maritza who I speak to still his mom after my daughter died which was three months ago yesterday. And she sent me a long text in Spanish that I had to have translated which said that my son died almost 10 years ago and I have never had a good day since. And it was meant to like say it's going to be better for you than it is for me. And I realized that wait a minute what if that's me. So I made it about me what if I'm 10 years after cured eyes and I still can't have a good day. So it's just one of those tragedies that it stays with you Dan. David can you can you describe to me you know when you guys finally did play the next game you know everybody remembers the bottom of the first inning in D Gordon leading off. And I remember very well watching it. I was very over it. It may be the last time I ever cried. All right. When that whole scene happened with D Gordon home run on the first pitch when he never

38:14hit to home. I was very overwhelmed with the whole thing right the first pitch he took as a righty and then he went over to the left side and it wasn't just a home run for a guy who doesn't hit home runs. He questioned into the upper deck and and he's hysterical as he's coming around the bases and and his teammates are hysterical once he gets to the dugout like I said I was very overwhelmed with the whole scene there. Can you describe what that was like being there. So I was right there next to the dugout and Cologne was pitching and you know he grooved in 85 down the middle and and D did what D said he would do before the game and it all worked out the way it was expected to work out as a very spiritual planned but spiritual amazing moment. But the emotional part was not actually the home run for me. The emotional part was just being around the players and understanding what was real and it had been a day. He died on Sunday morning the 25th. We played Monday.

39:14I look back thinking if that game mattered for the wild car, which is why we played. And the season was coming to an end and I just can't believe that we were able to play because the players, you forget how young they all are and to be face to face with the tragedy like this and to try to make sense of it. Jose was not just somebody's relative, which he was somebody's friend or the father of an unborn child as a teammate. He was the nor star of that clubhouse. He was like Martin Prado before Martin Prado. He was with the Hispanics. He was with the black players, the white players. He was transcendent amongst the entire clubhouse, which is not common at all in baseball to have people who can go back and forth the way he did. And all of a sudden he's gone and not like injured. He's gone gone and there were a bunch of players who were supposed to go on the boat with him. They have survivors guilt. They are questioning what if I'd gone, would he maybe not have crashed the boat?

40:19Would maybe we have saved him himself. And so all of these things, and if you speak to the players to this day, whether it's yell at your D or JT or anybody who is there at that time, stand for sure, it doesn't stop impacting you at all. And ten years later, it comes up and you think about it and I'm afraid the reality is it'll be part of us for the rest of our lives. Did you guys hear in the middle there, even though he was feeling deep feelings and this is a thing that would you would think be devoid of any cynicism? Did you hear him say, Cologne grooved it at 85 miles an hour. You guys heard that he's saying, he's saying that the accusation there. Sounded accusation, Dan. He grooved it at 85. At eight, David Cologne doesn't mean it's not important. He doesn't throw it at 85. He was 85 to me and it wouldn't be a home run. He doesn't throw 85 though. You're saying it was here. Was he not saying that that home run, the emotional moment, the spiritual moment, everybody, Zaz hasn't cried in a decade.

41:20Is he or is he not saying it was served up on purpose by Cologne? Isn't that what he was intimated by saying the pitch was at 85? That is the fact, Dan, but it doesn't change the reality that D had to actually hit the home run. It does change the reality. It's fouled it off. No, it does. No, it's five ball. No, it's five ball. This manufactured and it's not pure. You can't manufacture a home run. You can groove a pitch though. We're doing important work. The cow ripkin home run was good too. That's right and people said that that was accused of what happened. What do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you do? I got the D Gordon steroids thing. Why are you mouthing further dilute the moment for everybody? Because I just ruined my raw dog for a dumb ass comment about you got him, Dan. Okay, so wait, you wait. So you ruined everything. The whole show and I had to chime in because of cow ripkin, Chan whole part grooving. I couldn't to sell myself. Like someone has to bring this up. You were trying to stay the whole show without saying I was doing it. Well, this, my, I did do that. This is journalism, but that didn't count because that's imaging.

42:23You're doing great. I know. I got that. I got two generations of Cody on the payroll there. Yeah. Two generations of Cody where he's actively trying to not say something. And it's show cow ripkin. You have a show that's based on people helping us do the show. David, and one of the guys just said, listen, I got two and a half more. No, it's, no, it's worse than that, David. And then no, it's worse than that. Distracts me by saying, oh, bleep off air. A joke that only him, Tony and Mike know he's doing. No, we all do it. Anyway, any YouTube chatter. Yeah. Also, we were super distracted here in the back because we were trying to piece together for a good 10 minutes. Where the hell is Stephen A? Because he's doing a live remote from a stadium. And we're like, I don't recognize that stadium. It looks like a soccer stadium. Guess where Stephen A is? Oh, man. Stephen A. Who never goes to games unless it's like Monday night football and an LA. So he can show up. He is already in Rio.

43:25He is already in Rio for Ravens Cowboys. He's been waiting all week for Sunday night apparently. Great job, Stephen A. The security detail. You got to get there early. It is hugely important that Stephen A is reporting live midweek from the site of Ravens Cowboys in Rio. I know what you're doing, pal. Salute to you. Samson, last thing before you get out of here, what's the movie you're reviewing for us? I want to review a movie that I watched last night called I Want Your Sex With Olivia Wilde. So I was thinking George Michael. I was thinking faith. And then I was thinking about Philip Seymour Hoffman because his son is in it. And then all of a sudden Olivia Wilde, not looking ozempikey at all the way. I thought that she was supposed to look. She was looking beautiful. He was looking handsome. And there's a ton of sex. And then all of a sudden there's like blood and murder and dominance and SNM and dildos. And I'm thinking, wait a minute, where's this going?

44:26And then all of a sudden it went someplace awesome. So this is a movie that the title, not great because it makes you think of it. It's something that it's not. And Olivia Wilde being naked the whole time. Interesting. But it's actually a meaningful movie about what it is to be in a relationship that is different when it's your boss, when it's an older woman and a younger man, when there's SNM and dominance. There's insecurity. And then all of a sudden it turns into strength. And it turns into agency over yourself, your body and your future. I thought that it was a very well done movie at the end. That included things that can be distracting to you, which is okay as well. It's called I Watch Your Sex with Olivia Wilde and Cooper Hoffman. It's coming with your endorsement here. You're saying this is a movie worth watching. There's so much out there that no, if you haven't seen other movies that I suggest much more firmly, then wait for I want your sex. But if you're just hanging out alone and whatever, watch it. But no, there's other things to watch.

45:28Okay. So a tepid recommendation. Your reviewing something here. Basically, you're only doing it because you wanted to talk about sex and you had something a little steamy and you had an undercurrent of letery in your voice as you described it. You're not endorsing it. You're just telling people there's a movie with nudity. Yes. Okay. I appreciate all of your work, David. See you later. Nothing personal is the name of the podcast. He is not recommending that you watch that movie. He just wanted to talk for a minute about some nudity. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, there it is. There it is. Let's enjoy some of this. This is the guy who's also using the phrase and dildos. To hell. Having uncontrolled eels in a philicusophagitis or EOE can mean your stuck in many ways, like cutting your food into tiny pieces. Or stuck chewing food for a long time. DuPixen, Dippilimab, a prescription medicine for patients one year and older weighing at least 33 pounds can help with that.

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