Refried Beans | Fundamental Issues (feat. Ryan J. Reilly) | 10.13.2023

0:00Hello, Martin Sheen here, and I have a question for you. What do you do on Sunday to relax and unwind? Sleep in, read the paper, eat stuff you shouldn't. Binge watch the shows on your My Stuff list, okay? All good and fine. But I think this routine could be a bit better. Let me offer something to make your me time really special, my podcast. And I think once you hear it, you'll realize it is the perfect addition to your Sunday, or whenever you're looking for a chance to unwind. Tune in as I share the stories of my life along with some poetry and an occasional personal reflection in a way that will have you saying that was time well spent, and I didn't even have to get out of my pajamas. Season four of the Martin Sheen podcast with yours truly, Martin Sheen of course is underway with ten brand new episodes. I know our lives can be very busy in demanding these days, who's are not. So join me on a storytelling journey that you can enjoy from the comfort of your favorite

1:00easy chair and a chance to relax and be in the moment. So check out the Martin Sheen podcast season four underway right now and make it part of your self-care routine. And as always, thank you for listening. M-S-W-Media. Hey everybody, it's A.G. and welcome to Refried Beans, where we play an episode of the Daily Beans podcast from the same week either one, two or three years ago, so we can see how far we've come. So please enjoy this episode from Days Gone By and note the date in the intro. Refried Beans, I like Refried Beans. That's why I want to try fried beans because maybe they're just as good and we're wasting time. Hello and welcome to the Daily Beans for Friday, October 13, 2023.

2:05Today, the US and Qatar have agreed to stop around from tapping the $6 billion fund after the Hamas attack on Israel. Secretary of State, Anthony Blinken speaks during his trip to the region. Senator Bob Menendez is hit with a superseding indictment for failing to register as a foreign agent. The special counsel probe into President Biden's handling of classified documents appears to be near and end. Donald Trump plans to return to New York in his civil trial and Judge Eileen Cannon postpones the conflict of interest hearing for Walpnada. I'm Allison Gill and I'm Dana Goldberg. Hello, happy Friday. It's nice to see you after the fly, Fiasco. The fly incident of 2023. That's it. I'm going to go down a history. All the listeners loved it. It definitely will. And yes, I've been sent so many videos and photos and memes. I just want to thank everybody for all your kind emails about that incident.

3:06I appreciate it very much. Also later in the show, I'm going to be talking with NBC Justice Correspondent and author of the new book Sedition Hunters, how January 6th broke the Justice System. That's Ryan Riley. And if you're not following him on social media, he's one of the funnier, if not the funniest, like mainstream media people out there. He's up there with like Joy Reed. I mean, it's he's really, really funny. You love to read his tweets or his threads or whatever social media platform you're on. Couple of quick hits. First of all, and you know, I just want to kind of just in general talk to you about this Dana because the Republicans still don't know what the fuck they're doing. Scolese keeps losing votes. But I don't think there's a single Republican in the House that can pull 217 votes. That's how many votes are needed to be elected speaker. Because remember, there's a whole group of Democrats that get to vote on this shit too. Oh, yeah. And our leader today, Huckim Jeffries, representative Huckim Jeffries, kind of sort of put it out there that he'd be willing to work across the aisle to help out so we can get our government

4:11in order. You know, and you know, we just need to maybe, you know, the doors open, right? But then the Republicans are like, well, you make us an offer. And Huckim Jeffries is like, blowing, you know, like you want us to come save your ass and come to you with an offer? Like no, this like you want our help coming as far as help. And it's just, you know, it's interesting to think about the possibilities, right? Because there's about 18 Republicans in the House that are in Biden, in districts, Biden won. Yeah. And I would start with them and be like, would you guys be willing to vote for Huckim Jeffries for Speaker of the House? I don't know that there's a single Republican that would. The other option is to find a Republican you can trust in the House and agree that the Dums would vote for that person for Speaker. And then you would only need five Republicans to vote for that person. And maybe you tie that to funding the government, funding Ukraine, funding Taiwan, funding

5:15Israel. And maybe just maybe go back to the, the budget, Kevin McCarthy agreed to in May instead of a continuing resolution. Let's pass a budget together that does all of those things. There's another idea of bringing in an outside person who the rep who at least five Republicans would vote for, like perhaps Paul Ryan or, you know, I mean, I can't. It's the possibilities, whatever. It's just something to open up your thoughts to. But you know, because we wouldn't work with McCarthy because he was untrustworthy. So the question becomes, is there anybody in the Republican House caucus there that we would feel comfortable trusting enough to do us our solid and pass our budgets and fund everything that we need to fund and get done after we've helped elect them speaker? You know what I mean? I do know what you mean. I, please don't kill me for saying this out loud listeners. I'm just because her name popped into my head.

6:16But like Liz Cheney, I feel like at least the Democrats know that she would fight for democracy, even though I disagree with her on so many other issues. She's still a Republican at heart and, you know, voted along lines with, with Trump, a lot of the time. But she still cares about the democracy of the country, the safety of our country. And I think that she would be able to get, you know, things going. It's just that she's still respected by the Republicans. She's just not respected by them. The, the maga folks, but no one is. So if they don't get their person, they're not going to vote for anybody. So why not try? Yeah. And be fair to you bringing up Liz Cheney any Republican, any Republican is a Republican. Yeah. Like, they're still a Republican. They still helped put this Supreme Court in place. They still vote with Trump 90, whatever percent of the time. They still are terrible to marginalized communities. They don't want people to, you know, they don't want a democracy, one vote, one person, one vote. They're still Republicans. So yeah, go into this conversation knowing that any Republican is still a Republican and

7:20that we don't, don't agree with any, any of their stuff, the, you know, but again, the question becomes, because unless you can get five Republicans to vote for Hakeem Jeffries, the Democrats would have to be voting for a Republican speaker. Yeah, absolutely. Exactly. And all again, all Republicans are still Republicans. So that's where the uncomfortableness comes in, right? Do we do it for the good of the country so we can get shit done so we can back Israel properly so we can get our military promotions through, you know, because maybe they can pass legislation, they can pass a resolution that takes the hold off of, you know, what Tuberville is doing. There's a lot of, a lot of potential there to get a lot of stuff done that should just be done, you know, by reasonable people. I just, that reasonable people is the, is carrying a lot of weight here. And so that's why I'm like, I don't, I don't have an answer. So please don't write in angry that I said, who's training? We were really just spitballing ideas here.

8:21Right. Because, you know, part of me is like, no, I'm not going to vote for any Republican ever. But if we could fund Ukraine, get our government funded and shut down this clown show, this embarrassment of a clown show, you know, is that worth it? Is that worth us voting for a Republican? And when I say us, I mean Democrats in the House. And I, again, trust the leadership of Hakeem Jeffries to make that decision. Oh, I'm glad I don't have to make it. And I'm going to, I'm going to back him on whatever he does. A couple other quick hits. Special counsel Robert Herr. Remember that guy? He was appointed by Merrick Garland to investigate President Biden's handling of classified information, those classified documents that were found at his office, his interim office, and at his home. It's like, you know, he interviewed Biden, President Biden twice over the weekend that was scheduled weeks ago. And that is signaling the end of his investigation. Andy and I, Andy McCabe and I are going to discuss how likely charges are on this weekend's

9:22Jack podcast from that reporting. And also judge Aileen Cannon held to Garcia hearings. Those are conflicts of interest hearings because Nauta and Dale Lavera's lawyers who were paid for by Trump previously. I think sometime in one case currently rep other witnesses that the Department of Justice plans to call or could call during the trial. A judge Cannon postponed the not a hearing she got pissed because the DOJ messed up and shut down the whole hearing. But Dale Lavera says he wants to go forward with his conflicted attorney. He waived his conflicts. But Nauta, that one blew up. So we're going to have to talk about that in a lot of detail on the jackpot as well. So without out of the way, we have a lot of news to get to. Let's hit the hot notes. Hot notes. All right. First up from the Washington Post, US officials and the Cattari government have agreed to stop Iran from accessing the $6 billion account for humanitarian assistance in light of Hamas's attack on Israel. That's deputy treasury secretary Wally Adyemo told the House Democrats on Thursday. That's according to two people who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

10:25Coming just a few weeks after the US and Iran announced a deal on the money, the decision not to permit access could have major geopolitical reverberations with the Biden administration undercutting negotiations with Tehran that took years to finalize. Biden aides had rejected the unfounded accusation that funds not yet released had fueled the Hamas attack. But they still faced a bipartisan backlash on Capitol Hill aimed at preventing the money from going to Iran at all. The move reflects just how rapidly the Hamas massacre in Israel has reshaped US relations in the region. As Israel pummels Gaza in retaliation, the Biden administration has reaffirmed its commitment to its allies with Secretary of State Antony Blinken traveling to Israel in a show of support. Further punitive measures against Tehran are possible. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen suggested Wednesday that the US is considering additional sanctions to Iran. While there has been no evidence of Iran's direct role in the slaughter, US officials say Hamas has received weapons in training from Iran.

11:25It's a long relationship. And quote, the world just changed. And it changed because Iran has built a barbaric terrorist organization inside Gaza that just raped and murdered hundreds of Israelis. That's Senator Chris Murphy, Democrat from Connecticut, leading Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Murphy added he has not discussed the matter with administration officials. Quote, I don't really care what the hardliners think. They have to understand the entire region is different today. Now asked about the push to freeze the aid Iran's mission to the United Nations responded in a statement quote, the money rightfully belongs to the people of Iran. Earmarked for the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran to facilitate the acquisition of all essential and non-synxioned requisites for the Iranians. The deal financed by Iranian oil sales allowed Iranian entities, not the Iranian government, to access the fund. And only if they provided extensive documentation showing the money will be used for humanitarian purposes. U.S. officials would have to approve each and every transaction under the agreement. The money had been transferred to Qatar from banks in South Korea to facilitate the arrangement.

12:30Those banks in South Korea were set up by Donald Trump and his administration to allow Iranian oil sales despite sanctions on Iran. The administration has not ruled out, at least publicly, the possibility that the money will become unfrozen again at some point. Thank you so much, A.G. This comes from ABC. Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Thursday described gruesome photos. This is a warning content. Please, gruesome photos and videos he reviewed depicting victims of a mass terrorist attack on Israeli civilians. He said it's hard to find the right words. It's beyond what anyone would ever want to imagine, much less God forbid experience. He said that at a press conference in Israel. He went on to say, a baby and infant. I'm not sure I'm going to be able to get through this story. You might have to take it. A baby and a infant. Yeah, I can take it for you. Yeah. I'm going to take this. If you don't mind this one, yeah. It's hard. He said a baby and infant riddled with bullets. Soldiers beheaded. Young people burned alive. I could go on, but it's simply depravity in the worst imaginable way.

13:34And they actually, Israel released three photos. I have not looked at them. They have shown them on MSNBC, but they've shown them with extreme warning. And I turned away each time. I just didn't want those images in my head. Blinken said that the photos shown to him behind closed doors by Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu and the Israeli government would ultimately show exactly the horrors its people confronted and served to unify through, quote, moral clarity. So images are worth a thousand words. He said these images may be worth a million. Just about the humanitarian situation in Gaza. Blinken said talks were to secure safe passage, but he said there were factors beyond Israeli retaliation that imperiled civilians, quote, I think it's first important to remember a fundamental issue that makes this complicated. Hamas continues to use civilians as human shields, something that's not new, something that they've always done, intentionally putting civilians in harm's way to protect themselves.

14:37So that's one of the basic facts that Israel has to deal with. He went on to say, of course, civilians should not be used in any way as the targets of military operations. And they are not the target of Israel's operations. We did discuss ways to address the humanitarian needs and people living in Gaza to protect them from harm while Israel conducts its legitimate security operations to defend itself from terrorism and to try to ensure that this never happens again. Do you want to pick it up from here? Yeah, thank you. It definitely comes in waves, but I thank you very much, Iggy. Let me know if you need me to take over it. Absolutely. Absolutely. The Secretary of State told Israel earlier on Thursday that the United States will always be there for the nation as it continues to grapple with the attack by Hamas terrorists. Then this is a quote to end the story. People of Israel have long and rightly prided themselves on their self-reliance, on their ability to defend themselves, even when the odds are stacked against them.

15:38That's what Blinken said, standing in a podium next to Netanyahu and continued by saying the message that I bring to Israel is this, you may be strong enough on your own to defend yourself, but as long as Americans exist, you will never ever have to. You will always be there by your side. He was very, very powerful and well spoken today. And if you get a minute to watch his speech and that press conference, I highly recommend it. He talked about the Hamas using civilians as human shields in Gaza, saying they hide their weapons amid the people. They hide themselves amid the people. There was a very powerful graphic I saw and it was Hamas on one side with a terrorist holding a gun with a baby carriage in front of him, facing an Israeli holding a gun with the baby carriage behind him. And that is the difference. One of them is that these Israelis are trying to protect their children and civilians and the innocent and Hamas is using them as shields.

16:41And as we said, this is very specifically Hamas, not the Palestinian people. This is a terrorist group. And so when we talk about that, please remember we are being very specific with us. Yeah. I mean, you would be liberating everyone from Hamas. Absolutely. And their terror. All right. We're going to switch gears. That was tough to get through. Thanks, Dan. I'm sorry. No, thank you. How I'm next up from Adam Klassfeld at the messenger. There is a common theme and Donald Trump's itinerary when the former president plans to appear in New York State Supreme Court for his civil fraud trial. It usually means he has a deposition in another lawsuit. When he first stepped foot and court on October 2nd, Trump had been scheduled for a deposition in the then active $500 million civil lawsuit he filed against Michael Cohen in the southern district of Florida. According to court documents, Trump's legal team persuaded a federal judge to postpone that deposition so he could attend each day of the very important first week of proceedings.

17:42And then left early and withdrew the lawsuit before the rescheduled date. As the messenger exclusively reported on Thursday, Trump plans to return to New York City Court House next Tuesday, October 17th. Want to know why? It's the anticipated date of Cohen's testimony as one of the attorney general star witnesses against the former president in the civil fraud trial. Oh, and also that's the day. Trump is scheduled to sit for a deposition in Peter's truck and Lisa Pages lawsuit. He's very busy. He's got a very very full dance card. Very full dance card these days. I'm sorry. I can't be deposed for the Peter's truck lawsuit. I have to be in court. I have to be in my trial. It's important that's my trial. It's very it's the perfect trial. Okay. So you know, we know the former president vilified Pete struck and Lisa page after their work connected with the federal investigation into his 2016 campaign ties with the Russian government. In 2019, struck and page sued the Justice Department for releasing their private emails disparaging Trump whose rage they say ultimately caused their wrongful termination.

18:45US court of appeals for the DC Circuit on September 1st rejected the DOJ's request to block Trump's deposition leading to a series of email exchanges. Scheduling a date for it to take place that have since been entered into the court record. Quote we are confirmed for Tuesday, October 17th, 2023. That's what Trump's attorney David Wearington wrote in an email back on September 28th. Quote we have set aside the time from 1 to 4 p.m. for the two hour deposition. Wearington's note also said a room had been reserved. The location isn't publicly mentioned and that room can accommodate 20 people. I will let everyone know what information the Secret Service needs from the people attending as well as the directions for redacted at the given time. Pete struck decline to comment and his attorney, Goldman, former federal prosecutor who helped convict the Oklahoma City bomber by the way also didn't immediately respond for a request for comment. The Trump campaign also did not immediately respond to request for comment.

19:45I've talked to Pete struck. He also isn't publicly commenting, but give a listen to the Cleanup on Al 45 podcast for any information that we can share. All right. Thank you, A.G. This last one's from Reuters. Prosecutor is pursuing a corruption case against Bob Benendez on Thursday brought a new charge against the Democratic US Senator accusing him of engaging in a conspiracy to act as a foreign agent for the Egyptian government. The new charge was included in a revised indictment filed against the Senator for New Jersey in federal court in Manhattan that includes four counts against Benendez. His trial on corruption charges will begin in May. Now, prosecutors have said that Benendez and his wife, Nadine, accepted gold bars and hundreds of thousands of dollars in exchange for using their influence to interfere with law enforcement probes of three New Jersey businessmen as well as aid the Egyptian government. Now the new indictment accuses the Senator until recently the chair, by the way, of the

20:45Senate Foreign Relations Committee of taking actions from 2018 to 2022 on behalf of Egyptian military and intelligence officials without registering with the U.S. Department of Justice as a foreign agent. Under the Foreign Agents Registration Act, individuals must register with the Department if they act as an agent of a foreign principle. Several prosecutors have said that a co-defendant, Wail Hanna, arranged meetings between the Senator and Egyptian officials who pressed him to sign off on military aid. In return, the businessman put Nadine Menendez on the payroll of a company he controlled. Well the new indictment said Bolvhanna and Nadine Menendez communicated requests and directives from Egyptian officials to the Senator. This is a quote the new allegation that Wail Hanna was part of a plot concocted over dinner to enlist Senator Menendez as an agent of the Egyptian government is as absurd as it is false. That's of course from Hanna's lawyer, Lawrence Lustberg, and that was said in a statement. A lawyer from Menendez did not respond to a request for comment.

21:48The Senator has resisted calls for his resignation and has pleaded not guilty. The prior charges against him as have his wife, Hanna, and their co-defendants businessman Jose Irrave and Fred Daves. Yeah, now if you're a patron of Clean Up on L45, Pete and I discussed this on the bonus episode this weekend. And we go into some pretty interesting spy shit, right? Because that photo that's in the indictment of them having dinner where Nadine said, what can the love of my life do for you today to Egyptian official number two? That photo was taken from a nearby table at eye level, which looks like somebody surveilling them. And they also knew what she said. So they were also listening. So that is interesting because that could mean there might have been a FISA warrant or somebody and that would took place in 2019 and Pete even knows which stake house it is. So you don't want to miss that episode if you have, if you're a patron of Clean Up on L45, it's really good. And there's a lot of profanity. Love it.

22:49I know. He goes off this weekend. So my fellow Clean Up patrons, you're going to love it. Oh, and by the way, I think I mentioned this during the last show, but not this Friday, but next Friday, it's going to be a combined happy hour for patrons for the beans and for Clean Up on L45 Pete will be there. So you can ask him questions. And you know, the deposition is next week and Trump will be in New York. So just a thought. It's a perfect storm of brilliance. Up next, I get to talk to Ryan Riley, one of my favorite people. And we talk about his new book called Sedition Hunters. You can pre-order it right now or wherever you get your books. It comes out this Tuesday. Stay tuned. We'll be right back. These messages will be right back. Diamond Dames, mount up. I'm Charlotte Climber. And I'm Allison Gell. Hey, Charlotte. What if you and I joined forces to create a weekly podcast amid all the chaos of the news to chat about the most recent episode of season four at Deadlassop? Well, Allison, we'd be taking the light amid the spite to sit and write and bring some

23:54light on Wednesday nights. I mean, look, everything right now is ridiculous. I know we're all stressed out with the state of the country and we all deserve some joy. Ted Lasso was there for us in the middle of the pandemic and he's back to offer us a respite from Trump 2.0 right before the midterms. That's right. We believe in rom communism. I mean, if Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan can go through some heartfelt struggles and still end up happy, then so can we. So subscribe to Diamond Dames for free right now to get notifications. And then you can join us every week after each episode of Ted Lasso season four, wherever you get your podcasts. And remember, be a goldfish. Diamond Dames, dismount. Barbecue sauce. Hey, everybody. Welcome back. Happy to be joined today by, first of all, one of the funniest people on Twitter that still works for legacy media. If you don't follow him, you need to follow him already. He's NBC News Justice reporter and author of the new book, which is out October 17th.

24:59It's called Sedition Hunters. How January 6th broke the justice system. Please welcome Ryan Riley. Hey, Ryan. Hey, thanks for having me. Yeah, absolutely wonderful to talk to you. I think this is the first time you've been on the show, but I always encourage you as like one of the top follows on a I still call it Twitter. Are you on other social media networks right now that we should know about? I'm on threads and I'm on blue sky. I feel like I'm putting more focus on threads right now. But yes, yeah. Yeah, I think threads is going to be the landing place here, depending on how fast Twitter falls apart if it hasn't completely already. It's the first one that I felt like I wasn't really just like sort of talking into the void since Twitter where it was like, you know, it's like, oh, I have enough people there where it's like, okay, you know, this is worth that. Yeah, I'm worth highlighting. Yeah, totally. And, you know, it kind of ties in with S edition hunters because a lot of that stuff, you know, was shared back on Twitter back in the day, you know, shortly after the attack on

26:01the Capitol, but talk a little bit about what prompted you to write this book because I know you are like in the soup. You're in the thick of it every day at the courthouse reporting on all of these cases and giving us the download. But what made you want to write the book? You know, it was actually a Twitter joke that sort of set this all off. It's actually someone named Rachel Powell, who some people might remember as Bullhorn Lady and she was wearing a pink hat and sort of guiding people around the Capitol and sort of instructing people in the tone that she struck in these videos while she was sort of saying, you know, here's what we need to do. Everyone needs to coordinate together was very much what I thought, like, you know, you would sound like if you were a school, an eighth grade chaperone, basically giving a tour of the Capitol. It was just like very much in that tone of like kind of like flustered, frustrated parental unit sort of laying down the logs like, okay, guys, here's what we need to do. So I made some joke about, you know, 20 bucks says that this ends in both an arrest and a PTA resignation. Ultimately, I was a little bit off.

27:02It turns out she's a mother of eight rather than a chaperone. But nonetheless, I think I hit the right theme there. And she's seen there bashing in a window with effectively, you know, a pipe. I think it was some sort of material that was on the stage there. And I ended up getting a message from a handle known as deep state dogs. And this would they said that, you know, hey, we've identified this person. We're not going to sort of put it out yet, but just want to sort of, you know, let you know. And I wasn't able to ultimately convince the person behind it who's now, and the harsh Rodgers is his name. He's now gone public as one of the slews and really one of the only slews who's willing to sort of go on the record. But he was saying, hey, you know, we've identified this person. Ultimately, the New Yorker beat me to the story. But I sort of followed up on it and stayed on it and, you know, despite Ronan Farrow, you know, beating me on that one, I decided that, you know, I'd get the next one and that one

28:03ended up being really important. It was someone who drove a stun gun into officer Mike Finones neck. And so we ran that story in March and then he was arrested a month later. That's really was sort of my entry into this entire sort of slew thing world and realizing how far ahead of the FBI, some of these just sort of average Americans were. Yeah. And, you know, I'm working on a project talking about the importance of citizen journalists. And here is this incredible book that you've put out about the importance of like citizens working on behalf of the justice department. Talk a little bit about because it seems, you know, and it doesn't seem it is true that the courts in DC, the Department of Justice with the number, sheer number of cases and the sheer amount of evidence and video and geolocation is just so overwhelming. And even despite Department of Justice asking for all these resources, how important after you did all this research, how important was it for there to be citizens that were working

29:05on behalf of bringing in and bringing to justice a lot of these insurrectionists? They were just really critical. And I've heard that from numerous officials that they really are driving these investigations. And now you sort of flip more to the accountability side where there's sort of following up on these and making sure that someone is pursuing them and not letting the FBI sort of drop the ball on these because there really are just hundreds of them sitting out there. Just to give you a sense of the numbers right now we're at a little over 1100 people who have been arrested in connection with the Capitol attack, but in reality the number of people that you could arrest, either for going inside or assaulting law enforcement officers outside or for engaging in some sort of property damage as well north of 3000. So we're really only, you know, a third of the way theoretically through. But the statute of limitations on the other hand is five years and we're far past the halfway mark at this point where, you know, to use the just really lean into the, I guess the sports metaphor, we're deep into the third quarter really at this point because you

30:08need to get these cases going before that five-year-staction limitations hits in early 2026. And really, you know, it could be a lot sooner. Theoretically if Trump gets elected, obviously all this sort of, you know, goes out the window and suddenly all these cases are just sort of set up by the wayside. So the notion that you have hundreds of cases out there, if people have been identified who many of whom, you know, over a hundred of whom are currently photographed or their photos are featured on the FBI's Capitol Violence Web page, many of them for assaulting officers who still haven't been arrested. I think it's something that the sluice are really grinding these cases out and making sure that they're holding the FBI accountable here because they've really handed these cases to them on a silver platter. And I think that it really, you know, I've covered the FBI for gosh, you know, 12-ish years, 13 years. And you know, I never had this sort of completely Hollywood image of them.

31:10You know, when I remember going there as a young reporter and getting, you know, more sort of the office vibes than CSI vibes. I think that, you know, it really has shattered that Hollywood idea of what the FBI was. And I just think they're really just sort of behind the times on a lot of tech stuff. And there's a lot of reasons for that. One of which is that it's tough to really recruit technologically skilled individuals unless they have a really mission driven purpose just because, you know, the salaries, the Silicon Valley can blow them out of the water on. Yeah, and you can smoke weed. Yeah, that's actually yes, I mean, it's actually a huge thing, right? Like, you know, oh, you have to like pause and like, you know, for you have to pause three years ahead of when you would think about joining the FBI. They relaxed it a little bit from what it was before. I think there was a certain number of times you have allowed to smoke weed. But yeah, that's a huge, a huge obstacle, I think, for the Bureau to sort of keep up

32:12with the 21st century here. It's an ongoing theme really for the FBI that we've seen, you know, going back decades now, really, you know, it sort of jumped up to me that you could theoretically have joined the FBI right after September 11th, and you would be at retirement age at this point because you need your 20 years. So that's, you know, an entire turnover of special agents there. And, you know, we're still in this situation where they're just really kind of trying to play catch up on a lot of these technological innovations. Now, how do you think the previous administrations attacks on the intelligence community and the FBI also specifically in the calls now to defund the FBI? How do you think do you think that chills their ability to do their work? Because we know we've seen a lot of hesitation almost from these agencies because of, you know, they have Jim Comey whiplash, I guess. So, did you see that when you were putting together this book?

33:13Definitely. I mean, there's definitely a contingent of FBI employees who are sympathetic. And that's some someone, a former FBI employee put that in an email to a top FBI official right after the attack saying like, listen, you know, a lot of people within the FBI are somewhat sympathetic to the people who storm the Capitol and don't understand the difference between, you know, stopping the peaceful transfer of power and, you know, your local CVS getting, you know, looted during a, during a riot, sort of think that those two things are comparable in some way. And I think that, you know, that is part of the issue, but I think that, you know, you think about this idea of, you know, there was no joint memo between the FBI and DHS, the Department of Homeland Security ahead of the January 6 attack. And you put yourself in someone's shoes like that and you're like, okay, you're about to, it's about to sort of be over our long national nightmare, right? You're kind of, you're going to get through this and, you know, Joe Biden's going to be in office who wants to put their name on a document that could be leaked and, you know,

34:15very quickly makes its way into the media saying that the president's rally that he's planning on holding is a threat to national security. Nobody, nobody wants to do that. And I think that that's why we really didn't see as much documentation or some sort of really grouping together. A lot of the intel that was just openly available to everyone on the internet. And some of which was, which was actively sent to the FBI, it was in the FBI systems, but there's no one sort of piecing together that puzzle or considering what role Trump could play in sort of organizing a lot of this activity. I just actually, this part of it's in the book, but the full context it didn't make it, because actually just got the FOIA back a couple of weeks ago. But there was this memo that they laid out sort of looking through these scenarios that could happen after what they called the speed or election. And, you know, they're most likely scenario that they sort of gameed out was that, oh, yeah, people will be determined to do something. But, you know, they're too disorganized and we're too good. Right. Like it was like we got the red cell thing, right?

35:17I think we reported on that on the show about, yeah, you're reporting on the red cell memo. That's right. Yeah. And like that. And that was obviously it, you know, and we don't know the entire memo because they redacted it so heavily, but it's not as though they were like, well, Donald Trump, you know, this was, they were putting this together a couple of weeks after Donald Trump told the Provo is to stand back and stand by. And you could, but it would have been really dicey to have laid out an emmo. Well, you know, what could Donald Trump do here if he wanted to? And, you know, let's look at this past behavior. I mean, that gets into really dicey territory because the FBI is, of course, part of the executive branch. And when you're speculating on the future actions of the sitting president, it just, it's just every, you know, a bunch of, a bunch of flags go up and and nobody, uh, nobody wants to touch that. It's really tricky territory to get into. Yeah. And, and necessity is the mother of invention. So we have this whole cottage industry that popped up. How, how big is it? Because, you know, when I talk about I do the media like citizen journalism and stuff like that. And we see that it's out front everywhere who, who citizen

36:18journalists are independent journalists, how they work with mainstream media. But how big is this sort of underground, um, you know, sedition hunters, little, I guess cottage industry is the best way to put it because it was obviously necessary and people filled the void. So how big is it? And then, you know, in the future, like, is this going to have to be how we do it? And how do we do it without Twitter? I think it's a good question. I mean, you know, Reddit could, I think, is it potentially a good organizing platform and a lot of these other platforms that have, that have popped up. But it really was, you know, Twitter that was driving a lot of this two and a half years ago when this was originally unfolding and having those hashtags and being able to being able to organize that way was really, was really critical because you had a situation where the FBI was putting out these, these sheets featuring 10 photos as though they were going to be sort of hung up in a, in your local post office and someone was going to spot somebody they knew there. But that wasn't the reality of how people are found today, even if you're trying to get it out to as many people as possible, you wanted to go viral and, you know, the easiest way to do that

37:22would have been to give these individual nicknames and the FBI stayed away from that. But the slews have leaned into that and come up with some pretty, some pretty funny ones that I think have gotten a decent amount of attention. But, you know, I think it's, it has ebbed and flowed over the course of this. Obviously, the slews a lot more people were involved at the very beginning and, and now that the pace of the sort of calm down, now that we've had upwards of 400 people sentenced to periods of incarceration, we've had upwards of 600 sentences handed out and another 500 cases that are still making their way through the system. I think that, and because a lot, there's just a huge backlog at the FBI, there hasn't, you know, it's tough to put an exact number on it, but it's definitely obviously not what it was at the very beginning. But the people doing this are really dedicated, really organized and really good at what they do. And there's still these pieces of the puzzle that they're trying to, to put together. And every time there's new video

38:23that comes out, that's really something they just really grab onto. And there's just all of these little finds that you would sort of never imagine in terms of how you're able to identify someone. And, you know, obviously, facial recognition has played a big role here. But I think the, the ones that really give you sort of adrenaline rush, the sluice is, is the ones that you're sort of creative about. There's one instance where someone was really covered head toe. You couldn't really get a good face shot on them. They really were good about keeping their mask on. But then at one point, the video shot from behind of them and they open up their phone and low and behold, their back screen was the name of their like LLC company that they had found it and do, that's it. Right. So you can take all these precautions and still sort of have left your cell phone arable in some capacity. Yeah. Even if that's, you know, a freckle somewhere that could be the thing that gives you like, right? Like there's always little things tattoos or the obvious ones. But there's a lot of ways to confirm people. And it's particular if you were with somebody,

39:25that's, that's what I think has been a lot of fun for the sluice where, you know, you wouldn't necessarily be able to say 100% without a shadow of a doubt. This person is that person at the then hey, if you got them with somebody and then you put those two people together in a different scenario, boom, you're good. You're across the line. What's the biggest unsolved mystery that everybody's still working on? I mean, the pipe bomber is sort of the big one. And I still have questions sort of about whether or not the FBI sort of missed the window there to get a better sketch of where that individual went just because the time I remember when they put out this call for videos, it was like right outside of I think the average, the rings retention policy, right? So like, you know, videos we just, and then dantuanos say that some of the geofencing data was corrupt or something like that. He just said that in a, I don't know January 6th interview or something. There's something. Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah. And I forget why don't I don't trust that guy,

40:26though, I don't, I don't like dantuanos. I don't like that guy. He, I like, so I think that, yeah, there was something about the data. And also like, it's not, it looks like the person's on it. I say the person because there was some speculation it could be, it could have been a woman. So even though you wanted to say like, he did the blah blah blah. But yeah, I don't know where that's one of those ones that I feel like really good. You know, as long as that person isn't speaking out, that one could be a really tough one to ultimately solve. The other, there's another individual called individual four who's really well covered up inside the capital. But even there's been some slippage on some body camp, but it's coming out since that you get, you know, somewhat of a face shot there. So that's one of the ones that I think could ultimately be, you know, found in the end. For me personally, there's a story I sort of tell in the book is one involving salts on officer Jeffrey Smith who died by suicide shortly after January 6th. And he got into a scuffle with these two individuals, multiple individuals inside the capital. And

41:31that's sort of, you know, as it resolved off the off the bat, one of the individuals has pleaded guilty. The other one ended up showing up outside of Obama's DC residents. And with guns in his van was arrested, you know, almost two years after he had been identified. So another one of those ones that probably should have hit the dock at a little quicker, but avoided some some drama there. But the big mystery with for to me with him is there's an assault later at night. And really there's just not a ton of video late in the evening. I've gone in actually now that Kevin McCarthy, the former speaker and had it opened up this process that you could actually go into these, the facility and look at some of this video yourself. I went in there and I've requested that video come out, but you know, looking at it on the screen, even multiple angles pretty far away at night. The quality just isn't quite there. And you don't have as much video as you did in these other cases during the day where you said all these live streamers, hey, it's, you know, some of these, these seem that's almost like you're, you know, you're watching the NFL on TV on TV and they do the

42:36zoom around on the camera. It's like, okay, let's check it out from this angle. But that's not quite, you know, where where things stand at night. So that's the thing that's read to me that I'm sort of like really determined to figure out who it was who threw a poll at Jeffrey Smith and causing the sufferer concussion and the only death that has been formally said to have been a direct results and actually died in the line of duty. Yeah. Yeah. And that was the right decision and that should be the same for for everyone. Well, thank you very much. I want everyone to check out this book again. It's called Sedition Hunters. How January 6th broke the justice system. There's a lot more in there. You guys have to check it out. It's available for pre-order now. It'll be a full sale wherever you get your books October 17th. Do you have any final thoughts before we get out of here? No, yeah. Just thanks for having me. I mean, I think it's a really cool, really cool story. And I think that, you know, hopefully down the road, I'll be able to tell even more of it. But it's just a really neat thing that I think that, um, that the slews are doing behind the scenes here. Oh, great. Thank you so much. Everybody,

43:39stick around. We'll be right back with the good news. After these messages will be right back. Everybody, welcome back. It's time for the good news. Good news. Everyone. Then good news. Everyone. And if you have any good news, Confessions, Corrections, shout out to a loved one or yourself or a small business in your area or an adoptable pet in your area, or you want to tell us what your dissertation or thesis title was. I love those. A woobie story, blankie story, stuffed animal story, something that's been in your life, some talisman you've had for a long time. I want to hear about that. Anything at all you want to send us. Frogorgies, baby pictures, whatever it is, send it to us at dailybeanspod.com and click on contact. We could need, we, we could use all of the good news we can get right now. We definitely can please send that to us. Mm hmm. All right. First up from

44:42Peter, no pronouns. Hello, beans, queens. I was listening to your podcast this morning and heard the buzzing noise thinking what the fuck? It was after that. But Allison declared she'd swallowed a bug and invited stories of the same. I actually have two stories. Many years ago at a family barbecue, my father was sitting back in a lawn chair dozing and a moth landed on his mouth. And as he was inhaling, he woke up coughing and had to wipe the gray dust-like scales from the moth wings off of his mouth. The second one involved myself. I was on a camping trip with a medieval recreation group, awesome, Peter, ever you had, were you drinking your flagging over ale? And was visiting the campsite of some group members from Saskatchewan, one chilly September morning. They offered me some hot cider, which I received in a metal mug, yum. While speaking to my newfound friends and sipping my cider, I felt something buzzing on my lips. In reaction, I bit down. I felt a sting inside my lip and spit out half a wasp. Okay, I didn't actually swallow,

45:43but it was a close call. Love your show. Keep up the good work. Vote, blue over Q with a little Canadian flag. Thank you, Peter. Thank you so much for those bug-eating stories. This is going to be a whole hour. I have a feeling. Oh my god. Yeah, here we go. This one's from Matt Pronouns, he and him and we go into Spanish. Hola, las damas de los frijoles. Adonde y esta la obbublioteca. I have loved your show. Do you remember that stupid movie when it was the polyshore and an seno man? Oh god. Where they end up in a bar and TJ, and then they're like, the cheese is old and moldy. Like, they're speaking all the Spanish they learned in ninth grade. That sounded like me. Adonde y esta la obbublioteca. Okay, I have loved your show ever since I first heard AG's interview on the gist podcast with Mike Pesca. Now, I love the beans and listen religiously. Please cup up your stellar show. I do love it so. For pod pet tax, please see my bud Phoebe. We did her DNA so we know her breed. Care to make a guess.

46:48Oh my gosh. There is some lasso opso in there and maybe it looks she looks long. Is there a wiener dog? Poodle, lasso, maybe what's the what's the M1? What's the M1? What's the M1? with the so white? Maltese, maybe? Yeah, maybe a little sh- M1. I'm so- What do we have here? Lassa, opso, she'd soup, Bishon, Frise and Maltese. We got three out of four. A little bit of Chihuahua. That shit is everywhere. Oh man, we did. Yeah. Five. That's a sea. That's good. That's better than you usually do. I'm curious. Next up from Bean, the pronoun she and her lifelong bean here, and newish subscriber to the daily beans. For good news, I wanted to share my beloved dog, 89. Feel free to what the mutt. 89 is a never-nude. She has an extensive wardrobe that includes shirts, sweaters, coats and dresses,

47:50but also extends to pajamas, jumpsuits, swimsuits, and shoes one outside. Halloween, however, is truly her time to shine. I'm an amateur installation artist, oh very cool. And so we often compete in the Tomkin Square Park and Washington Square Park, Halloween dog parades in New York City, with handmade costumes and corresponding floats. Okay, so you- this is- you're an expert, bean. In 2021, we won our category and placed third overall with a costume and float inspired by the official portrait of Barack Obama, Baika Hindey Wiley, which we dubbed Bark Obama Baika Hindey Woofee. Oh my goodness. Thought you might enjoy that costume in particular, but to see all of our costumes and more, feel free to check out her Instagram at dog named 89. Other costume highlights include Frida Kahlo, Hello Kitty, and Elton John. Thanks to you both for keeping us informed and for amplifying the good news. I hope our contribution brings some joy back to you and those

48:50sharers of good news that have come before us. Send in good thoughts and wishes for peace, being thank you. Oh my god. Look at this dog. Oh, and look at the portrait. That is so cute. The watch. He's even got his watch on. Nice kind of watch. That is so adorable. Though, you know what you forgot, you know what you left out being, why is the dog named 89? That's my question. Oh, there you go. I don't think it was in there. Dog named 89. No, no. We'll get an answer for that. Hope so. All right. This next one's from Chris, pronoun she and her, hello ladies. I fully love listening to you daily. I love all the shout outs from fellow listeners too. I have an update. Kirk Bangstad. Bangstad? Now I'm going to need an correction on Bangstad, owner of Menacua, brewing company, NBC has had a win. Oh boy. Here we go. Right. Oh, like a right of fries. Got it. Okay. Anita. Oh, Nida.

49:52County zoning board finally approved the beer garden for NBC. Now Kirk has been promoting progressive values in the red part of Wisconsin, Northwoods. The NBC has a super PAC and is preparing to sue the state of Wisconsin regarding the school voucher program. He talks about it on his podcast called Up North podcast. Also, my PhD dissertation was titled synthesis and study of dendramers containing non conjugated charge transferring repeat units. UMass 2006. Boom. Now it's pet tax. Here's the youngest of my three dogs. Zory is the best lap dog, but it's a monster to anyone who comes up to the house. She likes a good bed. So I thought I would try a baby bouncer. She loves it. Cheers. Oh my god. There's a dog with a baby bouncer. I love it. That's the cutest thing. All right, but synthesis and study of dendramers containing non conjugated charge transferring repeat units. If you know, I bet if I knew what a dendramer was, I would probably need to look it up. Let's see,

50:57define dendramer. It's a synthetic polymer with a structure of repeatedly branching chains, typically forming spherical macro molecules. Well, duh. I mean, everybody knows that. Oh, say, so synthesis and study of dendramers containing non conjugated charge transferring repeat units. Okay. Cool. What would what would what would you even do with that? I'm so impressed by some of I'm really impressed by our listeners. Like I know there's a lot of smart people out there, but like I got a degree in physical education and I'm a professional clown and you guys are like, I'm doing the dendramers of the right. You know, I'm like, okay, okay, don't know what any of that means. But hey, maybe no, maybe they're afraid to stand up in front of people and tell jokes. So maybe that's my superpower. I thought, no, I thought conjugating was something with languages. See, I'm very limited in my knowledge, but it sounds cool. It sounds like materials. It kind of reminds me of my materials class in nuclear power school when we talked about interstitial point defects

52:02in hardened steel and how that impacts the ductility toughness, et cetera, you know, the all the I'm sorry, Angie, I totally fell asleep on my hand. I don't know what you just said. You know what? Let's move on to the next one, but it sounds fascinating and congratulations on your PhD. All right, up next from anonymous pronouncian her hello beans team at nearly 45. It's my birthday this Friday the 13th, by the way, happy birthday anonymous. I am back in school pursuing my psychology degree. I love helping people, but like many women, I have historically failed to get paid for it. Well, no more ahead of me as a career that not only helps others, but like therapy and the daily beans psychology also helps make sense of the wider world. I hope to choose a dissertation subject worthy of another bean submission. Well, maybe you should check out the dendramers and the nonconjugated, you know, last night I was studying. By the way, I'm not making fun of your dissertation. Chris, I'm so fascinated by it. I'm going to have to look up each and every one of those words

53:04on the internet later to see if I can make sense of it. Last night, I was studying logical fallacies. Oh, those are fun. After years of learning from your podcast, what disinformation looks like, I found it second nature to determine which fallacy was at play. I thought a fun and educational game for your listeners, especially those of us still braving the Twitter cesspool would be to name the logical fallacy anytime a fascist post pops up in their timeline. I am imagining Laguminati racing to be the first to type post hoc ad hominem or false dilemma with bonus points if they can determine whether the argument is inductive or deductive valid or not valid or sound or not sound. Of course, it's an automatic win if you ratio the original post. I like this. Dana, with you in mind, the attached photos of my new nine-year-old daughter who came to us came into the world with a smile on her face, laughs in her sleep, and has grown to be the kind of kid who high fives the sky because being alive is amazing even when there are mosquitoes. Since Allison inclusively mentions cocktails and mocktails, I wanted to send a shout out to a local women owned business here in Eugene,

54:07Oregon. High street tonics is a non-alcoholic, speakeasy and bottle shop tucked away inside another woman owned business called Bumble Boutique, a gorgeous vintage clothing and gift shop. God, that sounds rad. The owner, Sherry, is doing some groundbreaking work with mocktails. If you're local or perhaps visiting the annual solar eclipse on October 14, you need to try Sherry's signature mocktails. Check them out at highstreettonics.com. Cheers to the bean steam for breaking the strongholds of disinformation on trauma in a fun and entertaining way. Look at this baby that looks like like an adult, like a little bit of an adult in a tiny little body. And so happy. Oh, and look at that beautiful photo. Oh, so sweet. Oh, that makes my heart sing. I know me too. I got butterflies. I know. I love tiny little babies that look like old men or old women. One of my very best friends in the world and her wife just had a baby and he came early. And I just got a picture today. And basically she said,

55:10turn him vertical and he could be head of finance at Chase Manhattan Bank. He looks like a 55 year old man. Oh, he does. He's so cute though. And it's so great when people know they've got a baby that looks like a grown person and then they dress them in like a suit or something. And you know, yeah, so adorable. I do believe that I have some poetry to read. All right, this is from the I love that. No pronouns given. So I get to read poetry. Now dear beans, queens, the fly, the fly, that might be one of the most memorable episodes ever. I've been listening since the kitchen table days and finally found the motivation to write in. Here you go. A G and D G, an O to A G and the fly. Alison sat in her podcast chair with grace, poise and so much fucking flare. The headlines were heavy. The story's quite blue and she was ready to share them a new. But as she began to deliver the truth, a pesky fly decided to join the crew. It buzzed around her head, then to her surprise, darted right into her mouth. Oh, how time flies. She gagged and she sputtered,

56:13her face turned quite red, then came out of fuck or maybe two. It's been said the pod kept on rolling. Dana looked on it. Shock as Alison coughed and her heels did not. The next day's news to no one's surprise was all about Alison and that darn fly. Despite the small hiccup, she returned with grace, but Dana always teased how that fly taste. Love you both. And it was right in the middle of a rant too. I was so angry. Yeah, you were you were very mad and then it was just a okay. That sound without context is fucking horrifying by the way. But you knew exactly what happened. You were like, there's no doubt there's not a doubt in my mind. What you just did you just swallow it by just swallowed it fly. Fuck me. Bless your heart. I've gotten the best like handmade drawings of the scene from overboard when she's in the back of the pickup truck. We're in the coveralls on the way back from the mental institution when

57:17he picks her up and lies to her and says that that she's his wife and she she swallows the bug. I ate a bug. Oh, it's just like hand hand drawn memes from me. I mean, I'm pressing people. Me too. Me too. So yeah, not today that I think that, you know, we have charismatic mega plastics and now we have the fly episode. So there you go. I don't know that's that's a close that's a close for first. I'm still going with charismatic, but the fly episode is a damn close second. Me too. I just meant in it in that I will remember it. Oh, absolutely. Where were you the day? Okay. Let's not let's not wax two wraps out about eight. All right, everybody. I hope you have a wonderful weekend. Please check out the cleanup on Al 45 bonus. It's amazing. If you are a patron of cleanup on Al 45, if you're not yet, please become one. You can do that at patreon.com slash I'll 45 pod a I S L E four or five P O D. And then no happy hour today,

58:24but we will have a double happy hour for cleanup in the beans next Friday. And then of course, we have the jack podcast on Sunday. And thanks again to Ryan Riley for taking time to speak to me today about his incredible book. I hope you pick one up. It's well worth the read. It's just truly incredible. And he's so funny. You seriously, you will love him if you aren't following him already. Any final thoughts before we get out here for the weekend, my friend? Just to I wish everyone has a wonderful week. I meant I'm headed to DC to go schmooze with the press. So hopefully that'll be fun. Yeah. I'm going some money for the human rides campaign. Give my hug hug him for me. Even if they tell you you can't touch him, just lunge at him. It's fine. Absolutely. That'll be my last show. This is my last show, everyone. Thank you so much for tuning in. Overt Ways to get rid of Dana. That's right. Go hug the president. Excuse me. Just hug him. Just go for it. He loves love. He's a nice guy. He's a hugger. All right, everybody. Thank you so much for listening this week. We'll see you back on Monday.

59:26Until then, please take care of yourselves. Take care of each other. Take care of the planet. Take care of your mental health. Take care of your family. Vote Blue over Q. And take everyone you know with you. I've been AG and I've been DG. And that's the beans. Refried beans. I like refried beans.