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2:01We will wait for your questions in the comments. What was good everybody on this Wednesday evening? Hope all as well with you. Listen, hit that like button if you have not already. Hit that like button. Please consider subscribing. If you have not already, we are zooming towards our goal. 40,000 subscribers. You can help us get to that point. Also, for you folks who don't always do YouTube, go to Apple. If you're apple people, go to Apple Podcasts. Make sure you save us there. Make sure you hit up speaker dot com excellent platform as well. We will greatly appreciate it. Listen y'all see the title in a video. Well Michigan's title be vacated question mark. We got some some some some super friends on this story, namely Justin Spiro. We had him on here a couple weeks ago. And so we're going to talk about the updates and what's going on with this and we have a special guest today as well to join in and talk about this situation. Also we got dev and VB coach coming on tonight with a special guest big time, you know, Buckeye.

3:07From a Buckeye player that are thoroughly respected and enjoyed watching him play. They'll be on the show tonight after we go make sure you tune into that. Also remember when you send those wonderful super jets helps to go towards the pay it forward, which is our military and our first responders. We're going to look out for them because they always look out for us. Nevada Buck wanted to bring you in before we brought our guests in. How you feeling? I'm feeling good, man. So we've been waiting. We've been waiting for Justin to kind of break his next story and it seems to be breaking in real time and exciting exciting stuff. So you on a day that was not supposed to have much happening. And it's stuff started to happen early and it's been it's been nonstop all day. For sure. And so, yeah, we got a lot to get in. We're going to talk about Justin and his recent story breaking and the results of that and how you all need to stop sleeping on his dude. I mean, you know, even you Michigan fans, I know you hate him, but how many receipts do we need? Does he need for you to say, I'm going to sit this one out. Now with that said, we got our brother.

4:20We got a friend in Trenzick in the house to come and join us to wait in on what Spiro has been talking about what he's been implying what he's been hinting at and all of that in Trenzick. Man, it's been a man. I've been trying to get you back on here. Glad I was finally able to get you on how you feeling brother. I'm feeling great. I enjoyed that video from Spiro today. I think I got a lot of people excited. Yeah, and we're going to play that video. And we're going to, you know, narrate through it a little bit. We're going to have it muted a little bit because of the music with YouTube strike. We just want to avoid that. But I want you all to see the visuals. This might be the most. The best video I've seen him make visually. And he's made a lot of good ones. Nevada. I mean, this was a fun. It was a funny video. It was it was creative. All of that. So what did you think about the video and about it? Yeah, no, I mean, great stuff. And it's amazing how this guy who doesn't even do this as a full-time job has somehow scooped, you know, the Michigan beat and the Michigan mainstream media on about the last nine stories coming out of there.

5:29And this one, you know, clearly the potentially the biggest one of them all, you know, he said, you know, he's fouling on the sideline. You know, the Toronto more deleting evidence. Toronto affair, Mr. T funding the scheme. Toronto more. I mean, just list of all these stories. And I know people like, Oh, you're just in spirit. I'm like, Justice bureau has been, you know, he's been like Babe Ruth pointing, calling the shots and hitting out of the bark every time. So I don't understand any pushback on that because the guys they he's a world class journalist and he's a bulldog and he's got Michigan in their sights. And that's a problem for them. It is. And especially remember they mocked and scoffed at him when he just released a story about La Troy Lewis a couple weeks ago. And what was it 24 to 48 hours after he was fired. And so, you know, it was credible allegations. It wasn't just an allegation. You know, somebody gets canned because it's somebody accused him like there's really no evidence. It's just an accusation. No, he laid all the evidence out.

6:37And I'm sure I'm confident Nevada and the transit that the Atlanta Falcons have lawyers on their payroll who can be able to read through information and determine if it's a fireable offense or worth taking seriously. And that's what they did. And so just saying, you mess with Justin at your peril, all you want. But before I play the video in transit or Nevada, do I want to say anything else before we hop into this video. Yeah, I mean, I think it's kind of cool seeing Justin's editing just continue to improve. I mean, you guys are saying he does this like Nevada saying this is not his main job. He does this just out of integrity and getting this stuff right and he takes that very seriously. So it's kind of funny seeing all the Michigan fans. You don't see him in his comments, doubting him like they used to you really don't think it's capitulation on their part. He's done a great job. Yeah, I agree. They're not they're not doubting him as much what they've pivoted to is your obsessed and you know, you're you live in your mama's basement and and you know, just add hominem like they're just pivot to that.

7:47And so you're pathetic. Don't you care about Michigan State like, you know, deflecting so because they really don't they can't refute and then it's just like last thing I'm going to say before I put this video on. It's crazy because they some of the same idiots keep like tagging him and responding and he always hits them with a quoted retweet. What receipts embarrassing them, but they keep doing it. So it is what it is fellas, but let's go ahead and play this video. And I'm going to put it on mute to start out with and we can kind of narrate a little bit. All right. So again, here's here's the visuals, which I think is hilarious. Obviously AI, but pretty good AI. Look at Tres that looks like Tres at night. He tripped with this one. I'm not sure who is that show people who is that intrinsic. I think that might have been a hockey coach. I'm not sure.

8:52Yeah. Okay. Now this was funny right here. This was to me. This was great. Let's say Harry Potter music playing for you guys haven't seen it. It's all here. Okay. That's Harry Potter. Look Ohio State Nevada. He got a nice little cameo. That's Brody Feets. Go Brody. Oh, man, Bert Belima with the belly out. He put everybody here. I guess these are he said these are all the people who are ball has beefed with. Yeah, that's coach Smith, that last guy from Oregon. Yeah. All right. So these are some of the tweets from his sources saying they ready to talk. That's Uncle T. That was pretty. That was good. That was good. That was good. Did you got the pot party? That was funny. All right. Here we go. Hold on. Hold on. 27 mark. 127 mark. And now see I'll defer to you on that. I mean, you're the expert.

9:53Basically, it comes down to if Blake Korum knew about the LLC in real time. Is that not a violation of the by on section 16 pertaining extra benefits? And if it is, is Korum not ineligible for the entire period, which would be all of 22 and all of 2023? Essentially, yes. They would be considered retroactively ineligible in any games participated in during that period. Right. And if that's the case, those wins are gone. They're vacated by rule, correct? Hypothetically, but they're obviously needs to be proof of the violation. Okay. What happens when I prove it? All right. So mute again. Look at the vacuum airings on Korum, man. You got to be kidding me, Spiro, hilarious. And how state claymation animation version, he got a kick out of this, by the way.

10:55That's our guy Tate from bar stool. And yes, Brutus and party celebrating. Just as being a served. And of course, they had to make a cameo. He should have threw the butter knife in there, though, but it's cool. That's the only only complaint that I have. But yeah, so great video, hilarious video. Like intrinsic said, the Harry Potter. I confess not to not to go off topic, but I've never watched the full full. I've watched like parts of Harry Potter, but not the full movies. I'm going to go back and watch those two just because anyway Nevada. What's your thoughts on that, brother? Well, I can't believe that Ohio's take gets like a like a video thing on him. And then it's like you said like an animation claymation thing is two. You got two shout outs and like there was nothing. There wasn't like I want to see an anime to be Moses in there or something like that or like Nevada,

11:55like flying like on an eagle or something like that. But they had none of that, man. So where's the look? I mean, Ohio think it's two calls. Can we get nothing? Oh, that's a fair criticism, Justin. I know you're going to see this. I mean, you know, because I know the logic is he deals with port noise and scum fans come at him. But scum fans come at us heavy. And you know, and we're the we're fellow scum killers. Like if anybody's at their neck, it's us. And so we're you know, where's my claymation? So no, I feel you, but other than that, Nevada. So let's kind of get into what he said with the NCAA. And in transit, obviously, we want you to give your perspective because you are, you are a bylaw body. Like you know this stuff. You have some thoughts about, I guess, loopholes, different things that can go back and forth with this. Now, this is the caveat is we don't know everything Justin has.

12:57And that's a phone call or text the way to pick his brain. But we don't know what evidence he has. He's just adamant that he has the evidence. And you know, he does not going to say that if he does it. So Nevada, did you want to respond to that first? Well, I'll lay it out and kind of layman's terms. And then we'll let in transit kind of come in and fill in the bylaws and the rules and regulations and things. My understanding of this is that that counter stallions formed a company. This LLC BC to LLC or whatever it was or. And that Blake Corm was listed on the articles of incorporation. You know, for the LLC. And then when when queried about it, Blake Corm claimed he didn't know anything about it. Because at that point in time, he had kind of recognized that him being in business with a coach. Would somehow trip the impermissible additional benefit thing because he was given a benefit that was not available to all the other players on the team.

14:00He got it because his special circumstance as Blake Corm. And that that would be a violation of the NCAA rule. And would, you know, hence making an ineligible player, which would then potentially trigger vacations of wins, et cetera, et cetera. So that's kind of my, you know, laypersons you of it. But in transit, maybe you can kind of talk about the specific rules that are being violated potentially by Blake Corm in this situation. If that Justin, because I'm just going to take as a given that Justin can prove that this happened because Justin doesn't say that unless he can prove it. So let's suspend disbelief on that part. Tell me what violations would have occurred at that point. And then what are the potential remedies and penalties by the NCAA? Yeah, so Justin all listed the two that he has an eye there. I think the major one that would redeem him in the eligible would be the 16.2.3, which is an extra benefits section.

15:05Basically, if you're in business with a coach, it has to be equal for each student athlete. Right. So that would be the one that he would have violated. But in looking for a further and Justin knows this, the Michigan law has it different. We're basically, if you receive an NIL benefit, you have to disclose it. So if you kind of go and take what Spiro is saying, he's saying he has Michigan's admin emitting to him that they were aware of this business relationship between and Korum and Stallions. Now, that's a relationship, which Korum, as you mentioned, denied even knowing a body said, my lawyer will look into it. He still hasn't looked into it, but regardless. So to me, that says that wasn't disclosed because that was something that maybe Justin, I disagree on. I'm not sure. But if it was disclosed, so if he disclosed that, I believe it, he would still be eligible. So that's the extra benefit one. And he also mentioned 12.1.1, which was I thought was interesting because that's basically a rule for the member institution.

16:14So for Michigan, that basically Michigan has a job of making sure its players are eligible and in compliance with NIL policy and whatnot. So he's basically saying, because I haven't seen him poke at that bylaw until today. So that is him pointing towards the institutions involvement. And that's where I believe just practically looking at this, because I know a lot of people are saying that's like, hey, they're not going to do anything because they had them dead to rights in the last one. So me working, you know, with the lawyer that I have, we think just like tangulate. Now this is, this is just how we are viewing the situation. It doesn't mean it has to be done that way. But how we view it is that if Spiro, who I wouldn't bet against at this point, could prove that Michigan knew about this. Are you a fraud paying American? It's a fact that one in four honest, hard working tax paying Americans has been a victim of identity theft.

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18:25Brought to you by Virginia DMV. You know what I can really go for right now? Literally anything that comes in a McDonald's carton, wrapper, or bag, or a McDonald's cup. Yes, any of those items should do it. We've got your cravings covered. Now, stop in for the flaky filet of fish, the crispy snack wrap, or a large fries for just $2.99. Limited time only, price and participation may vary. Cannot be combined with any other offer. They did not think so this would be like the coaches are admin. They intentionally circumvented like to prevent its disclosure or to hide this from the NCAA. That adds another level to where it's just not a technicality of his eligibility. It's also the institution itself covering it up. So we think if that were to happen, that that would for sure break it open. Justin has said as much when he says so for some of your listeners who just aren't in this day today, Spiro has said on this show and he said others that he has tapes of which the admin has admitted to knowledge of this.

19:39That is huge because that implies that they knew about it. They didn't take measures to disclose this not during that when they were supposed to find everything during the last and away. So that adds that of extra layer. So I think kind of what you're seeing Spiro do behind the scenes. I have to guess because he kind of works in the dark. People always ask me what Spiro to. I don't know. But he has to find out simple things like was this disclosed, right? He has to find out connections to if there was like he knows the admin knows about it. He has to find proof because he said he won't leak those tapes because of journalistic integrity. So I think he's been doing some of that and just kind of reading the TV is I think he's got somewhere. All right. I want to push back on one thing in transit. So the implication then would be that Michigan knew about something and didn't disclose it. And that just seems totally out of character for Michigan administration because we've only known them to be totally above board and ethical saw.

20:46I'm kind of I'm kind of ashamed of you for even implying that they could do something underhanded like that. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. There's so much smoke. I mean, if you want to look back at this story. So for some of you like this LLC was found out by is actually I believe it was first found out about a Michigan state guy on a forum. But regardless as they started searching everything because there's so much shading is going on with that football program where they found this LLC was stallions name on it. And so anyways, this was actually made through a company that wired magazine had a it was made through registered agents ink who creates these LLCs under a cloka anonymity. So someone like what did the steps to try to like hide its origin and it's also another weird thing about it too is once it became public this LLC once it was dug up. Two things happen for one that LLC dissolved and then in Blake Corms own blog.

21:50So this is something no one probably really looks at someone went back and edited the language and so we some guys. I believe some of these guys found this in 11 words, but regardless is he actually added the language about a housing investment that he had in an arbor. So some property he bought an arbor, he kind of basically made that disappear. So someone went back tracking on Corms and so I can't say for sure it's him, but someone who controls his blog edited language about this LLC. So rather beginning him saying basically stallions committed a felony because he's saying that as soon as he said he didn't have knowledge that means that stallions forged his name, which is a felony it's perjury. So he's so we assume that he didn't commit perjury right, but if you go further this whole creation of the LLC was strange is dissolution was strange us not getting answers was strange.

22:50So yeah, that's sorry about the tangent, but there's always something really shady going on about this, including that including investment he had in an arbor that he may disappear. Yeah, so let me go into a little bit of what Justin said on his one of his latest tweets in regards to this, it gives us some insight. So in the beginning of the tweet, I'm not going to read it all, he says, you know, tell him our house they miss because they had a vac wins because of silly stuff. Then he says Michigan did not self report any of their record setting number of violations in cheeseburger gay or sine gay, and they certainly did did not self report this still unadjudicated quorum matter. In fact, they covered up covered it up, then he gives bullet points, Blake quorum knew about the LLC, Blake quorum light about it, Michigan knows quorum knew and knows he lied about it. These are facts for which they're strong evidence, then he cites the rule violations, thus by rule, quorum was ineligible for all games in 2022 in 2023 by law 16.0 2.3 and 12.1111.

23:54Okay, and he just goes in and finishes off by saying there's no nuance or mitigation as always to him as you learn the triggering of the vacated wins penalty is inherent to the violations in his automatic. The average cost of a D wine Virginia is 11,352 dollars and 47 cents drinking and driving costs more than your drinks learn more at what's the damage not org brought to you by Virginia DMV. You know what I could really go for right now literally anything that comes in a McDonald's cotton wrapper or bag or a McDonald's cup. Yes, any of those items should do it. We've got your cravings covered now stop in for the flaky filet of fish, the crispy snack wrap or a large fries for just $2.99. Limited time only price and participation may vary cannot be combined with any other offer. Ba da ba ba ba. Here in Key West, we were out before it was in.

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26:02I mean, he can have something he still wants to better even more as much as some of y'all hate him. This dude is as tight and right as as you possibly can get as an investigative journalist. I know some of y'all say and listen, let me say this fellas, I completely understand some of the comments about being skeptical with the NCAA. I'm not skeptical of Justin Spiro. It's just the NCAA are buffoons. And so they prove that with this last day when they had everything on a silver platter and they said, oh, you know what, you're supposed to get a two year boba for this. This was really bad and we're going to let you know how bad it was throughout this entire document with scathing language. And but you know what, because of the kids, we're not going to give you that two year boba that you deserved and earned by cheating. So it's just I get the the angst or I get the skepticism about the NCAA, but, but this is a higher level of confidence and and Spiro be an adamant about this than he's ever been.

27:12And so I think this is a something like Nevada has said anybody, it trends here in the body. You went away in Nevada. I see you. Well, yeah, but yeah, I won I share your skepticism about the NCAA. So let that goes without saying the three of us probably more so than anybody or hate the NCAA for the way that they botched the the required decision. But putting that aside, I have complete faith in Justin. And so when Justin says I've learned for my interactions with Justin over years that when he says he has something, he has it. And the one thing I'll say for the NCAA is if it was any other type of situation other than an ineligible player, I honestly would just like shelve it because I just I think ineligible players is the one area that they've showed a little bit of background. They've showed, you know, they they followed through it, you know, more than a few times, these seem to be the only cases that they seem to care about.

28:15I think it's because they're black and white. There's not a lot of nuance on them. You know, if you violate the rule, players in eligible, if players in eligible, the games on count, I mean that that that kind of linear thinking they seem to do well with. So, you know, between my confidence and Justin and the nature of the offense, I'm, you know, I'm willing to be heard again. I'm willing to be heard again by believing in this because I really think I know it, you know, you just know it, you know, any gutter all over you know that this happened. His response from just from a quorum about his name being forged on an LLC document was totally weird and inappropriate and nobody responds that way. So, you know, your only logic or conclusion is that he knew about this and that, you know, this was the, he was intentionally trying to deflect and blame for him. And the fact they went back and scrubbed his social media language referring to life. I think it was BC to LLC or whatever it was. I mean, that's, that's pretty damning.

29:22So, I think that there's a consciousness of guilt. If he's got it in terms of tapes that ties Michigan to it, then I think there's lots of reasons that we can be conscious of the optimistic that maybe there is some justice in the world that comes to the NCAA and Michigan. Yeah, and I want to say something because this is a distinction that I have have to make to myself because we all have our views towards the NCAA. Like, of course, we're bullish, Justin Spiro, we're bears NCAA. I think that probably describes most people, but the NCAA was demanding core penalties for the Michigan science ceiling probe. They didn't need a Ross Dallanger pointed that out. That's NCAA. The COI is like an independent committee of other people who aren't like NCAA workers, who then like basically in a judge process come to decision. So, COI went rogue. The NCAA played that by the book and that actual report that came out was worse than what even I had expected. So, and, and what Nevada was saying, they are pretty like anal about these intelligibility rules.

30:29And they don't have a lot left. So, I think we're all going to be skeptical of the NCAA. I mean, I still am, even with what I just said, I'm still skeptical, but if that's why I think that next layer, and he says that in his post, I'm glad you read that. I'll be because he says that to admin knew about it. Okay. This isn't just like, hey, I forgot to disclose something. This is, this is, I knew that he was an eligible and didn't disclose this and didn't ever tell you guys. Like, that's why he's talking about if you see his policy saying self reported, like when Michigan State looked back and we had our wins vacated, we self reported some like plane tickets or something silly, something really small and it vacates everything. So, and that just happened this last year. So, if he can, if he can, so what I'm just looking at how we're looking at it from a practical perspective, if he can come out with something that says, hey, not only was he an eligible because he received NIL funds from this LLC, which were not disclosed, but also the admin knew about it.

31:33And the great thing that Spiro has here working for him is he's already told he was told that that happened. So he just has to go find it. That's a big advantage to him here. So, yeah, I think he got somewhere. If you just kind of follow Spiro's post, which I'm sure a lot of you do, he definitely made headway when he came on your show a couple of weeks ago, and he said he had the two silver bullets. You guys remember that. So he's made headway on this. I'm most certain of it. Got you real quick. I see you in the chat. Duplicator, you asked this twice. Can anyone answer my question in all caps? You're yelling now. Didn't the NCAA already ruined this last year? No, they did not. Duplicator. This LLC situation was not included in the sign stealing, you know, illegal sign stealing document, you know, with stallions and the coaches, all of that. That wasn't included. It was mentioned. It was brought out because obviously, Corm was interviewed and he lied on camera and said he didn't know about it. But this was not a part of the report. So no, this was not rude already. Any response to that, fellas?

32:41What would be, what about yell that? Didn't they answer that way? Does that change your answer in any way? Because I yelled it. No, it doesn't. Yeah, actually, I think he brings up a good point though, because you think, hey, didn't they just look at everything? Well, for one, Michigan was supposed to. It's not a bad question. Michigan was supposed to find stuff like this during that investigation. The NCAA never accused them of it. They never got an NOA about it. They never got an NOI about it. They never looked into it. The one thing I was told, and I can't verify this because I haven't seen the emails, but I was told that it was submitted to the NCAA. Everything that they could find publicly about this LLC, meaning that people basically sent to the NCAA saying, hey, look it. Here's this LLC. Here's stallions. Look into it. But just because you do that doesn't mean that he double is going to listen to you, you know, but I would have heard that that happened. So, but what Spiro is going to do here is going to be beyond that. Clearly, if you guys seen his report, he has like packs, he has documents, he has hard stuff that you can't just find online like we did here.

33:52Yeah, Nevada. Did you want to respond? Well, yeah, I think, you know, the whole nature of the same in Michigan has been they don't solve for port. They don't solve for port anything. Yeah, you can talk about the Michigan state stuff being self reported. The Ohio State, the whole entire tat gate, trust that that was all from an internal Ohio State investigation. So, you know, Michigan strategy on this has been to not be forthcoming to never disclose this and know on the last one to answer that the question. Yeah, no, this was this was never before the committee on infractions because they, you know, just there was no evidence presented and Michigan certainly didn't follow up with any evidence that they had or didn't have at the time. But if Justin has it, this would be I believe that this would be an entirely new in entirely new case and certainly unrelated to the science deal. Yeah, real quick. This is what I'll be talking about with this chat, man, you're hilarious. Jay Coburn, where can I get vacuum cleaner earrings for my wife? Yes, I'm sure Amazon. Some some some obscure site has them. I'm sure or Spiro, you might want to get an LLC together to start selling those brother.

35:11Get you some sales, but that is hilarious. But yes, and about I'm glad you pointed that out because I was going to say the same thing is it pays it pays to not cooperate. It's sad to say, but Ohio State is just like they self reported the whole tattoo stuff. And you know, all of that. The coach gets fired, gets popped. Players get suspended. The entire country is trying to play as like we're just SMU. In transit, I don't know if you how much you were into that back then of being up in Michigan. It was awful. It was awful. It was the media reaction was worse than what Michigan got for doing 10 times worse. And so and you guys in transit got popped for the for the little all pay for a plane ticket. You got vacated wins for that. And Michigan literally was on field cheating affecting the outcome of games.

36:13And what was the wording they use in the document and transit competitive advantage. That was confirmed because they try to make it seem like that wasn't the case. No, it was. You know what I can really go for right now literally anything that comes in a McDonald's cotton wrapper or bag or a McDonald's cup. Yes, any of those items should do it. We've got your cravings covered now. Stop in for the flaky filet of fish, the crispy snack wrap or a large fries for just $2.99. Limited time only price and participation may vary cannot be combined with any other offer. When you manage procurement for multiple facilities every order matters, but when it's for a hospital system, they matter even more. Granger gets it and knows there's no time for managing multiple suppliers and no room for shipping delays. That's why Granger offers millions of products and fast dependable delivery so you can keep your facilities stocked, safe and running smoothly.

37:14Call 1-800-Ranger-Click-Ranger.com or just stop by. Granger for the ones who get it done. You know what I can really go for right now literally anything that comes in a McDonald's cotton wrapper or bag or a McDonald's cup. Yes, any of those items should do it. We've got your cravings covered now. Stop in for the flaky filet of fish, the crispy snack wrap or a large fries for just $2.99. Limited time only price and participation may vary cannot be combined with any other offer. And it's just it's an injustice all the way around. So what good is it to self report and be honest when the bad guys get the you know I guess get off without really getting cracked like they should have got cracked and transit go ahead bro. No, it's just big to the point like it's so funny like yeah they cheated like nothing is worse than knowing your opponents plays like anyone who's played the sport or can just conceptualize the sport knowing what your opponent is going to run is a huge competitive advantage.

38:27And that they but I remember talking to you guys about when we were trying to predict the penalties it was like maybe you know it's not clear although they have the latitude to do it is clearly in there says other reasons of AK games. But forever reason and eligible games so I think it would be so fitting for the NCAA selective in ridiculous punishments for some things while letting other things slide. But they go back and vacate these games over this this LLC and not disclosing money earned which is the rules by the way, but they should have vacated at all from the on field cheating for a competitive advantage. But regardless, it is the interpretation is the correct interpretation like if you guys see there, Spiro is telling you he's talking to an NCAA source so this isn't me and my lawyer, but this is him talking to an NCAA source who says yes, if you can prove he broke these laws then hypothetically yes, it's an eligible and that means everything's vacated that proof par would just be legendary work on Spiro because how do you get document disclosure documents from the university right.

39:36Showing that I didn't disclose this how do you receive records of or receiving money because I understand he could have this LLC, but if he did not receive money from it that's not a violation because that's no benefit what benefit that he received if he did not receive money or assets or something similar right. So Spiro has to find all that stuff so people sometimes like what's taking so long will for one he's not using those tapes which I've also heard some people say maybe doesn't have the tapes for I'd have two answers for that one is everything that he said you have no reason to not trust this guy at this point, but to have also spoken with one of the people he showed the tapes to who verifies it yes, I've heard this tape so yes, that tape exists, but he has to go in. He can do this legwork now to find these documents and do all that like that's a lot of work and I don't know how he gets to it, but he clearly has he's even said this he has two sources inside the university so maybe they're able to get it to him, but regardless yeah I'm bullish on Dustin Spiro obviously I'm you know with that as far as NCAA I think we all the similar feelings about regarding them, but if he shows that they intentionally circumvented.

40:55The disclosure that that someone from the admin or the coaches did that that's a level beyond just the knowledge ability so I think if that happens, I think the environment's right for them to open a case and if they open so if you ever see this case open, they're done just know that if it gets opened it's done. Because they're very quite dry like what Nevada was saying on eligibility there it's just letter of the law they always do it they never haven't. Nevada what you got on that bro cut and dry well I mean look it's it's yeah I think. What we're all hoping is that Justin's going to be very careful and and take his time and you know for him it's about his reputation and he's always been that way he's always been very thoughtful and I know people want it now you know people wanted stuff six months ago and they're a white white you doing it but you know as intrinsic says there's a lot of work that goes into it and you know the Michigan's a master and I saw today Partridge the ex coach sued Michigan today over his dismissal yeah and you know you know it just just another black eye for ward manual on this and you you really went wonder where the involvement is was the involvement at the administration level was it at the coach and you know where was the where was the touch point with Blake Gorham on this thing and do do the roads lead up to ward manual because you know we've talked about the internal investigation.

42:21The internal investigation that's going on that's going to ultimately result in his being fired which I can't imagine any any other possible result on it but you just wanted to do all roads lead to ward manual on this one that's that's my question. Yeah and then here's the other thing that we have not mentioned yet there's still an ongoing investigation that we're waiting on the results of now you talk about skepticism we're skeptical of the depths and the integrity of the investigation. But there is one maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised let me ask y'all on on a confidence scale from one to 10 what is your confidence level 10 be in the greatest that this is a legitimate investigation that they're that they're they're not playing around they're uncovering their overturning all stones they're looking to every like this is a legit investigation what's your confidence I'll start with you and trends it. I think part of it will be legit I think the fact that they didn't expand this the scope of this third party investigation to include the board of regents and ex president.

43:31So if you really need to look into all the shady dealings you need it comes from the very top and even Tom Mars or lawyer said culture comes from the top so the fact that they've kind of isolated it and to just athletic department I think is a shame if they really wanted to clean up the culture they'd start with the board of regents. But I do think some of its legitimate I mean part of it and part of things that be Moses and I know heard is that a recruiting director or someone in recruiting there's another fair going on and that's going to be one of the additional firings so let's see if that how that pans out. But I think they're going to I think they're going to do enough to to make it seem like they've got it all out there but I think some of the really bad stuff they would be willing to still hide or maybe not work with them to hype and not give them access to find out if that makes sense. Yeah real quick Nevada before you weigh in the difference or how state you know when our president by the way they're naming the new president tomorrow at 9 a.m. You know when when stuff pops off like that it's handled swiftly and you know it's it's boom boom you're done it's no oh it's been months oh we beat Ohio State so we'll keep them around or or all will you know way to an investigation comes to to get them up out the paint.

44:56Nah that's the difference men and women are going to do things that are under coming or make mistakes or or you know whatever fall short but how does the administration handle it so that's one thing also intrinsic and Nevada it's i'm glad to see this joy Velasquez slander seems to have gone away from uncle T and all that foolishness and Brian days brother I have at least I haven't seen it lately so you know it's just it's just so much mess and just ridiculousness from from them boys up north and the whole pot is just rotten and stinking Nevada wish on one to 10 wish a confidence level that the investigation is legit well it's it's I'm going to have to say like a five just because it's going to be legit in that they already know they already know what the result is they've been they were told what the result needs to be need for the thing so it'll be legit towards the end of you know showing a report that talks about the culture in the athletic department being broken how ward manual is lost that you know the trust of the board and needs to be removed for cause and that's how they negotiate him out of his contract so it's it'll be a legitimate illegitimate exercise because if it was truly legitimate they would say just do the work and it lead us where it leads us but these guys know what the objective is they

46:25are they know the marching orders they know they know what they have to get and you know words got to go you know this thing with the parkers thing is just a you read the parkers saying and you know ward manuals even says oh I was probably hasty on that I was probably emotional I'm like like he just he says stuff that you're like what what are you how do you still have a job right how are you doing this but yeah so I'll say it'll be a legitimate illegitimate investigation because they they know what they're set out to define all right all how state self reports Michigan throws phones into lakes and deletes text messages we are not the same exactly men will send women will I people will make mistakes and do things how does the management the people up top handle said things and Michigan has done everything but been forthcoming about all of their mess and scandals and that includes their media anyway friendsy use about to say something yeah I mean as far as as far as they'll have state situation I just think if this was that so yes one person the lone wolf argument that Michigan fans like like to revert to like not they have like eight or nine lone wolves yeah if one person goes rogue and does something bad you know that that really isn't doesn't point to they're being a huge institutional problem but when you have you know your head coach then your next head coach both offensive coordinators

47:54when you have this systemic problems that also then you start pointing towards institution like if this was Michigan the president would be doing it and then you know there'd be someone underneath him who was doing something funny and it just would keep going so yeah that's the big difference um this is Bired Winthrop founder of American giant we make all our clothing right here in the US with American cotton and American workers get 20% off your first order when you use code giant 20 at American dash giant dot com finding a hoodie that last through the season can be tough the American giant classic full zip hoodie is made to last a lifetime so you can count on it year after year every American giant piece is made in America and designed to last no exceptions the result is durable clothing that become part of your life snag the hoodie that will bring you comfort for life the American giant classic full zip save 20% off your first order at American dash giant dot com when you use code staple 20 at checkout

48:58Tyler Reddick here from 2311 racing another checkered flag for the books time to celebrate with chamba jump in at chamba casino dot com let's chamba no purchase necessary VTW group point where prohibited by mall CTC 21 plus sponsored by chamba casino yeah but oh yeah so anyways I just wanted to give you some number so at the beginning of this month over 2.1 million dollars had been spent on this investigation at Michigan's riding so that's another 2.1 million any investigations gone on longer than was expected because it was expected to be resolved in the middle of middle of January so something set this investigation off you guys showed my post on that a few weeks ago but this investigation has gone longer because some one inside Michigan is talking so I think we're going to see some things in that report that we like to as far as that goes because I think oh that we like I mean I like because I hate on this this place but it probably won't be very nice things involving more people knowing about more and going back and what not but I think it's going to be like a Nevada said with the end result to try to push word manual all right real quick I'm going to read this I think this is important for even more context from Justin stamp

50:13and also some of the criticism so he got a tweet from some guy named Chris it says you keep saying there's strong evidence to support your claims but you never present the evidence Justin that's not how proving a case works if you want anyone caps he yelled to believe you you are going to have to produce we are basically several years into saying the sky is falling Justin's response the evidence is off the record I could have reported sure I'm sure I'm more as a fair in October of 2024 14 months before I eventually broke that story I had the evidence then to but instead of burning sources I kept digging into like a reported the right way just like now to me that post is bars that really tells you he's he's given you the receipts like okay you keep mocking me but I have integrity I'm holding back because I'm integral and I have sources that I have respect for and so out of respect for my sources I'm not going to jump the gun no matter how tasty and delicious it might be to do so

51:25and so he's telling you you're still mocking me now and I'm telling you I have evidence it's just like I told you I haven't it's in or should run more so it's just like again we're all skeppy hippo about the NCAA I know I am but how could you doubt this cat at this point as if he's just lying and make a stuff up I'm just saying I'm just saying fellas Nevada what you got on that man yeah well I mean you know Justin's careful I mean Justin's been very careful about this but but if you've been following this case it's been fun you know it's it's been there's been a buildup on this we've seen it coming we've seen him kind of going to the line and kind of stepping back and we know what he's been looking for and he seems to you know have found it and I'm just I just want justice to be done you know I've always felt that way I felt like you know the last case you know you know it's intrinsic pointed out rightfully you know the NCAA try to do the right thing the

52:25C.O.I. went rogue on something like this it it seems like it's less squishy it's less you know under other you know powers as available this is you know pretty pretty cut and dried and vacating wins doesn't hurt the kids you know going back in terms of anything backward doesn't hurt the the current players so that that argument would seemingly be to have removed from it as well so I'm I'm excited about it I'm consciously optimistic about it and in the doll doll I can't wait to get Justin on the on the show and see what we can squeeze out of him when we get him on the podcast time yeah for sure and for those you know who say the phrase I'm not trying to get my hopes up I don't know I don't I don't I don't think that way like my thing is this I'm a go about my business I'm gonna talk about Buckeye football I'm gonna enjoy my life and as this is cooking and brewing if it comes out that hey they're gonna get popped and celebrate if if it doesn't end

53:29up being anything all right cool are we gonna move on we know that now he was fake we know they're cheaters we know all of that but this would definitely be justice like full justice if this would to occur so I would I would submit that to you don't look at this is oh I don't want to listen to this and give my hopes up no just take in the facts take in the logic take in the breakdown of like okay this is what we're dealing with and just you know let the chips fall intrinsic you got anything to say about any of that yeah I mean we've seen two more national champions since then I don't see any of the national champions talking about their legitimacy from year to year like that's constantly happening these guys are still trying to defend illegitimate title I don't think anything's gonna change that that title was surrounded by on field cheating and their coach being suspended multiple times in a season and the investigation and fallout and understand I think part of the part of the optimism if you're gonna have some optimism is the NCAA hey it's Bubba Wallace from 2311 Racing you know what feels like forever

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56:37head coach saying he wanted in on it you got to stand like this uh this is offensive to your ordinary person and it's all stems from this not being taken care of properly the ncda belay should or the c-o-i and their decision should have taken care of this and made it so sure on more was not able to coach there you understand if everyone from harbott now they're saying we got a cleaner to support to treat free press we have to clean out everyone from the harbott arrows listen that should have happened by the organization governing the sport okay if you did that we don't have this sure on more we don't have this let's Roy Lewis allegations right so i think that and part this is building it's not building from just an investigative stance from spirul doing his work spirul's credibility is growing he's also getting more sources and more people who keep eyes on his stuff like bar stool tape for instance he was not looking at spirul's stuff six months so all right he is now there's a lot of eyes on this right now so when this comes release i think

57:40the appetites here let's do the just thing let's do the just thing get everything out there not just from your internal report to get everything out there and let's just move on i mean regardless it's tainted you can see that behaviors but that's what needs to happen here Nevada that was a transit that was a great great spiel like what what he just said is so so important where he but the the meat are the highlight of what he just said is basically if you would have done the right thing and cleaned house of the rift rafs and all the town foolery and in all the perverts and all the then residual victims were created because you didn't do that like that's that's true that's painfully true the Troy Lewis the accused alleged rapist would not be there to do that and to you know come at the young lady like he did and sure like all of that that matters but that's what happens when

58:45you don't have good leadership to do what's right to not just do what's right but to protect others i mean it's just it's crazy Nevada any response to that well look i mean we've all been part of organizations and you know you you know what you can get away with you know what's going on and harbock created an atmosphere up there where stuff like this was okay you know cheating in any shape or form was okay the rules didn't apply reporting didn't exist you know i mean that's the environment that that is his legacy as much as people want to talk about the 2023 undefeated seat that is his legacy i mean he left that program in tatters literally and then on the way out took all the staff to strengthen conditioning coach and burned it down behind him and then and left you know we you know he'd said for years we'd said shron Moore's the guy that's got to go down with the plane because somebody's you know somebody's got to do it and that's exactly what

59:46it was he was not qualified to do it they put him in that job somehow he beat Ohio state that first year and you know they were ready to put him on the Mount Rushmore grates and you know it was all it was all it was all lie the entire gym harbock experience was it was an object failure for Michigan and they're still you know they're still paying the price but this is directly the residue of that harbock higher some 10 years ago yep so true what a mess man it's ridiculous let's get to these superchats Jay co bar and thanks for the 49 bye bye fake natty what up intrinsic and scoop family yes um again it will be glorious to uh to see this happen but even if it doesn't we know what the deal is intrinsic any response to that just what object uh thanks for your comment yeah yeah i mean it's all ready fake it's already tight tainted i mean it just be hilarious it just be so funny if they did put the final

1:00:50nail in the coffin but either way i mean if you you follow this discourse on a day to day basis these people are constantly trying to defend it it's so funny to me yeah it's ridiculous about it well yeah now i think the you know i think when intrinsic said those spot on if the NCAA opens an investigation is that that it's it's done you know so just that that you know sometimes you wait for the result the incident of the investigation and the committee in fact but you know if they open it Michigan's in deep deep trouble so that's what will uh we'll we'll be waiting to see if uh if they do the right thing we'll wait to see what type of evidence Justin can put but yeah i i i i i like the fact that they've been forever tainted because it's the right thing i don't i don't i don't want to be tainted just because they're Michigan but they were cheating they they were cheating they should never have had it in the first place and it's it's good to see this thing coming around on them definitely and uh stilly mat man i i'll skip right past your chat man my bad thanks for the 199 welcome intrinsic our sporty brother yes you are you are beloved here and intrinsic i've been trying to

1:01:56find excuses and and just making up titles and topics to get you on here like man how can we get him back on here but tonight was perfect made sense so i'm glad you were able to come on uh intrinsic all right uh stilly mat thanks for the 199 the vacuum cleaner earrings are hilarious yes they were i mean that was just like is it one of those things like when you're creating the AI video like Justin was just like you know what let me put vacuum cleaner earrings on him i mean like i got to ask him that next time i talk to him like what made you think of that it was just it was hilarious Nevada yeah what's amazing what you can do with AI man it's amazing what you can do with AI and you know the the dancing with the uh with the vacuum and into the Harry Potter music and everything like that was uh was was pretty inspired as well so you know the whole thing is great but just the Justin's definitely improved his uh his short film game as whatever we want to call he's he's definitely improving again that part is improving as well so Justin if you're listening a plus and the sweet latest effort very score says he like for sure um mark from dub c member

1:03:04for night scubaught you remember for nine months we appreciate you whatever happened to honor an integrity being rewarded preach preach preacher i don't know i don't know when it comes to the NCAA well i'm sorry the COI and i'm glad what's funny is intrinsic me and Nevada have corrected ourselves and corrected that in general many times but it's so easy to slip back into lumping them in because you're correct the NCAA did their job and said hey this deserve this deserves a two-year bow man they need to get cracked and then the COI went rogue that's the fair that's what happened but we lumped them in you know it's kind of by just this is what we do but great point um and trizzy did you want to respond to that yeah i mean honor i mean in the real world honor and integrity is rewarded i can tell you i deal with the Michigan fans all the time they do not feel the same way about their championship as you guys felt about yours the year after like there's a

1:04:05price to pay to some of this i mean hopefully i mean it's been since 1948 since they legitimately wanted outright title maybe someday they can experience that we've experienced at Michigan state more recently than they have but regardless is no one respects that title this goes from sports object you talk to SEC fans you know the people follow my content it's very similar to that and i have people from all over the country they do not respect that title in their left at over but regardless you you want to do things the right way in life and when you do that success feels so much better because make no mistake every player on that team knew what was going on they all knew that they had its advantage and i just don't understand hard at you as a player who is a player can feel good about doing that to your fellow fellow peer and college athletes so i i'm sure they're going to pay the consequences are they already are in life at least that's how i view the situation yeah did you have anything on that one Nevada no i i just i totally agree

1:05:06i think the fact that they're just a laughing stock and that they've done so much permanent damage to their brand because this you know this type of a you know affiliation is not going to go away in people's mind anytime soon i mean this is going to be here for the rest of my natural life people you know think of them as the cheaters and that you know we might have not liked them before but we never thought they were cheating but now like they're forever known as the cheaters and that's that's that's a that's a terrible moniker to have have run your neck for the rest of your rest of your time very true it just one little thing sorry to interrupt how you good you go they have a bridge coach right now this coach has averaged eight and four his entire career i know he's he's a very straight life respectable guy but coaches did not want to come there and coach for them their program has not looked at as a premier program because of all this stuff they are still in the fallout of this program over what they did so some of this is karma coming back at them agreed we said they were uh that winning hand we we said we liked them he's a nice guy good coach

1:06:10especially ten years ago whatever he was really strong but he's a bridge coach we agree and so Michigan fans hate when we say that but it's all good uh still leave mad thanks for the one and i appreciate you very much intrinsic another shout out for you thank you see this Toledo geo thanks for the two b-moses LC when now sale picks with the fifth airing i like it undercover brother flavor to it i'ma get on that man i got to get these LC's popping all right last super chat here and it's a good one to end out with Joshua Dylan thanks for being a scoop archer remember for 13 months basketball question for you ought to break up the football talk for a second how far y'all think we go in a big 10 turning and how far do we go in the NCAA turning love you guys um something light of my night oh highlight of my night okay got you so i'll go first so for those who don't know um buckeye's play Iowa tomorrow in Chicago at noon okay

1:07:11they play Iowa they got destroyed by Iowa at Iowa a couple weeks ago they started off 14 to two i was pumped Nevada's like oh we about to get them and then they went on a 31 to four run or something goofy like that and it was just they put on a clinic in Iowa now i feel like this team is going to be very motivated on a neutral site to write the wrong of that gain because Iowa's a good team but they're not that good we just played poorly we were missing Tilly it was just an avalanche of just foolishness so i think we're going to be Iowa um i don't know if i have the confidence to say we're going to be uh the team up north because that's who we play if we be Iowa so i'm going to say we be Iowa and we and we take Michigan down to the very last minute and they just pull away at the free throw line or something like that um Nevada what you got on that what's your thought oh yeah NCAA tournament i think we went in the first round and go out the second go ahead Nevada yeah oh i think we're going to be Iowa and i think we're

1:08:14going to be Michigan i do i think i think i think i think we're a hot team and i think we're going to make the sweet 16 i don't know if we'll go past that but i think we'll make the sweet 16 hot teams that are shooting the ball well with you know veteran point guards generally do okay in in these tournament situations and i like Ohio State because we're shooting the ball really well right now and i think that can that can take us far uh great now uh intrinsic uh as we close out and i know we got this reminder we got dad and vb coach coming on next shortly in a few minutes uh vb coach is a great poster on buckeye scoop he's a he's an online coach great mind um they're going to have jamey subner on jamey subner uh play with orlando pace um should be a great great show but before uh we close out intrinsic what's your thoughts on your Michigan state Spartans in the big ten tournament their bracket and the NCAA what's your uh your prediction on how far they go my unbiased prediction i think we win the tournament and we at least get to the eight

1:09:19i don't think our team has a crazy high ceiling but i do think you know we play a really good defense and isle really knows how to coach in these moments so i think i think we can i think we can get to the lead a and uh we can win this tournament for sure okay well if we beat michigan i think we'll end up seeing y'all in the championship game um and that should be fun and so uh and shout out to isle man for showing love to Bruce Thornton and Ohio state he's always been sort of a quiet ally supporter i don't know it's just it's i don't know but shout out to isle man but i'm excited uh about my buckeyes being in the NCAA tournament i know it's not official yet but it's official so i can't wait but anyway listen another great show i always enjoy doing a show with intrinsic i know divided does as well we're gonna keep you posted we're gonna talk to Justin we're gonna keep everything you know ruin and we'll just keep you up on what's going on so until next time make sure you go slide over to dev and show and check them out but we will see y'all tomorrow

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