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2:02Listen, y'all see the title in the video. Well, Michigan's title will be vacated. Question mark. We got some super friends on this story, namely Justin Spiro. We had him on here a couple weeks ago. And so we're going to talk about the updates and what's going on with this. And we have a special guest today as well to join in and talk about this situation. Also, we got Dev and VB coach coming on tonight with a special guest. Big time, you know, Buckeye. From a Buckeye player that I thoroughly respected and enjoyed watching him play. They'll be on the show tonight after we go make sure you tune into that. Also remember when you send those wonderful Super Jets helps to go towards the pay of forward, which is our military and our first responders. We're going to look out for them because they always look out for us. Nevada Buc wanted to bring you in before we brought our guests in. How you feeling?

3:02Good man, so we've been waiting. We've been waiting for Justin to kind of break his next story and it seems to be breaking in real time and exciting exciting stuff. So, you know, on a day that was not supposed to have much happening and stuff started to happen early and it's been a it's been nonstop all day. Yep, for sure. And so, yeah, we got a lot to get in. We're going to talk about Justin and his recent story breaking and the results of that and how you all need to stop sleeping on his dude. I mean, you know, even you Michigan fans. I know you hate him, but how many receipts do we need? Does he need for you to say, I'm going to sit this one out. Now, with that said, we got our brother. Our super friend in Trenzick in the house to come and join us to wait in on what Spiro has been talking about what he's been implying what he's been hinting at and all of that in Trenzick.

4:02Man, it's been a minute. I've been trying to get you back on here. Glad I was finally able to get you on how you feeling, brother. I feel great. I enjoyed that video from Spiro today. I think I got a lot of people excited. Yeah, and we're going to play that video. And we're going to, you know, narrate through it a little bit. We're going to have it muted a little bit because of the music with YouTube strike. We just want to avoid that. But I want you all to see the visuals. This might be the most. The best video I've seen him make visually. And he's made a lot of good ones. Nevada. I mean, this was a fun. It was a funny video. It was. It was creative. All of that. So what did you think about the video? Nevada. Yeah, no, I mean, great stuff. And it's, it's amazing how this guy who doesn't even do this as a full-time job has somehow scooped. You know, the Michigan beat and the Michigan mainstream media on about the last nine stories coming out of there. And this one. And clearly the potentially the biggest one of them all.

5:04You know, as you said, you know, he's. And that's one of the biggest highlights on the sideline of. You know, the. Toronto more deleting evidence. Toronto, fair. Mr. Tea funding the. The scheme. Toronto more. I mean, just list of all these stories. And I know people like all of you are just in spirit. Like Justice. A battle. Has been. He's been like Babe Ruth point and. Call the shots and hit out of the park every time. He's a world-class journalist, and he's a bulldog, and he's got Michigan in their sights, and that's a problem for them. It is. And especially, remember, they mocked and scoffed at him when he just released a story about Lachoy Lewis a couple weeks ago. And what was it? 24 to 48 hours after he was fired. And so, you know, it was credible allegations. It wasn't just an allegation. You know, if somebody gets canned because somebody accused him, like, but there's really no evidence, but it's just an accusation.

6:05No, he laid all the evidence out. And I'm sure I'm confident Nevada and intrinsic that the Atlanta Falcons have lawyers on their payroll who can be able to read through information and determine if it's a fireable offense or worth taking seriously. And that's what they did. And so, just saying, you mess with Justin at your payroll, all you want. But before I play the video, intrinsic or Nevada, do you want to say anything else before we hop into this video? Yeah, I mean, I think it's kind of cool seeing Justin's editing just continue to improve. I mean, you guys understand he does this like Nevada saying this is not his main job. He does this just out of integrity and getting this stuff right. And he takes that very seriously. So it's kind of funny seeing all the Michigan fans. You don't see him in his comments doubting him like they used to. You really don't think it's capitulation on their part. He's done a great job. Yeah, I agree. They're not, they're not doubting him as much what they've pivoted to as you're obsessed.

7:10And you know, you're, you live in your mama's basement and, and you know, just add hominem like they're just pivot to that. And so you're pathetic. Don't you care about Michigan State like, you know, deflecting. So because they really don't, they can't refute. And then it's just like the last thing I'm going to say before I put this video on. It's crazy because they some of the same idiots keep like tagging him a responding. And he always hits them with a quoted retweet. What receipts embarrassing them, but they keep doing it. So it is what it is fellas. But let's go ahead and play this video. And I'm going to put it on mute to start out with. And we can kind of narrate a little bit. All right. So again, here's, here's the visuals, which I think is hilarious. Obviously, AI, but pretty good AI. Look at Tres. That looks like Tres.

8:10At night, he tripped with this one. Oh, I'm not sure who is that show people. Who is that intrinsic? I think that might have been a better hockey coach. I'm not sure. Or it's our, or it's our president. Yeah. Okay. Now this was funny right here. This was, to me, this was great. Let's say Harry Potter music playing for you guys haven't seen it. It's all here. Okay. That's Harry Potter. Look Ohio State, Nevada. He got a nice little cameo. That's Brody feeds. Go Brody. Oh, man, Bert Belima with the belly out. He put everybody here. I guess these are, he said these are all the people who are ball has beefed with. Yeah, that's coach Smith, that last guy from Oregon. Yeah. All right. So these are some of the tweets from his sources saying they're ready to talk. That's Uncle T. That was pretty. That was good. That was good. That was good.

9:12Did you got the pot party? That was funny. All right. Here we go. Hold on. Hold on. 27 mark. 127 mark. And now see all defer to you on that. You're the expert. Basically it comes down to if Blake Korum knew about the LLC in real time. Is that not a violation of the by on section 16 pertaining extra benefits? And if it is, is Korum not ineligible for the entire period, which would be all of 22 and all 2023? Essentially, yes. They would be considered retroactively ineligible in any games participated in during that period. Right. And if that's the case, those wins are gone. They're vacated by rule, correct? Hypothetically, but there obviously needs to be proof of the violation. Okay. What happens when I prove it? All right. So mute again. Look at the vacuum airings on Korum.

10:13Oh, man, you got to be kidding me, Spiro hilarious. And Ohio State Claimation Animation version. He got a kick out of this, by the way. That's our guy Tate from bar stool. And yes, Brutus and party celebrating. Just as being served. And of course, they had to make a cameo. He should have threw the butter knife in there. But it's cool. That's the only only complaint that I have. But yeah, so great video, hilarious video, like intrinsic said, the Harry Potter. I confess not to not to go off topic, but I've never watched the full full. I've watched like parts of Harry Potter, but not the full movies. I'm going to go back and watch those two just because anyway, Nevada, what's your thoughts on that, brother? Well, I can't believe that Ohio, Ohio State gets like a like a video thing on him.

11:14And then it's like you said like an animation. Claimation thing is you got two, you got two shout outs. And like there was nothing. There wasn't like I want to see the anime to be Moses in there or something like that or like the battle like flying like on an eagle or something like that. But man, none of that man. So where's the love? I mean, Ohio think it's two calls. We get nothing. Oh, that's a fair criticism, Justin. I know you're going to see this. I mean, you know, because I know the logic is he deals with port noise and scum fans come at him heavy, but scum fans come at us heavy. And you know, and we're the we're fellow scum killers. Like we if anybody's at their neck, it's us. And so where you know, where's my claimation? So no, after you, but other than that, Nevada. So let's kind of get into what he said with the NCAA. And in transit, obviously, we want you to give your perspective because you are you are bylaw, Bobby.

12:15Like you know this stuff. You have some thoughts about, I guess, loopholes, different things that can go back and forth with this. Now, this is the caveat is we don't know everything Justin has. And that's a phone call or text the way to pick his brain. But we don't know what evidence he has. He's just adamant that he has the evidence and you know he does not going to say that if he does it. So Nevada, you did you want to respond to that first? Well, I'll lay it out and kind of layman's terms and then we'll let intrinsic kind of coming and filling the bylaws and the rules and regulations and things. The understanding of this is that that counter stallions formed a company, this, this LLC, BC to LLC or whatever it was or. And that Blake Corm was listed on the articles of incorporation. And then when when queried about it, Blake Corm claimed he didn't know anything about it because at that point in time, he had kind of recognized that him being in business with a coach would somehow trip the

13:23impermissible additional benefit thing because he was given a benefit that was not available to all the other players on the team. He got it because his special circumstance as Blake Corm and that that would be a violation of the NCAA rule and would, you know, hence making an ineligible player, which would then potentially trigger vacations of wins, etc, etc. So that's kind of my, you know, lay persons you have it, but intrinsic maybe you can kind of talk about the specific rules that are being violated potentially by Blake Corm in this situation. If that that Justin, because I'm just going to take as a given that Justin can prove that this happened because Justin doesn't say that unless he can prove it. So let's suspend disbelief on that part, tell me what violations would have occurred at that point and then what are the potential remedies and penalties by the NCAA. Yeah, so Justin all listed the two that he has an eye there. I think the major one that would redeem him and the eligible would be the 16.2.3, which is an extra benefits section.

14:36Basically, if you're in business with a coach, it has to be equal for each student athlete. Right. So that would be the one that he would have violated. But in looking for a further and Justin knows this, the Michigan law has it different. We're basically, if you receive an NIL benefit, you have to disclose it. So if you kind of go and take what Spiro is saying, he's saying he has Michigan's admin emitting to him that they were aware of this business relationship between. He's a forum and Stallions Now that's a relationship, which Corum, as you mentioned, denied even knowing about. He said my lawyer will look into it. He's still hasn't looked into it. But regardless to so to me, that says that wasn't disclosed because that was something that may be Justin, I disagree on him. I'm not sure. But if it was disclosed, so If he disclosed that I believe it he'd still be eligible. So, that's the extra benefit one and he also mentioned 12.1.1, which was I thought was interesting because that's basically a rule for the member institution, so for Michigan.

15:47That basically Michigan has a job of making sure its players are eligible and in compliance with NIL policy, what not. So, he's basically saying because I haven't seen him poke at that bylaw until today. So, that is hand pointing towards the institutions involvement. And that's where I believe just practically looking at this because I know a lot of people are saying that's like, hey, they're not going to do anything because they had them dead to rights in the last one. So, me working with the lawyer that I have, we think just like tangibly, now this is just how we are viewing the situation. It doesn't mean it has to be done that way. But how we view it is that if Spiro wouldn't bet against at this point, could prove that Michigan knew about this. You're having a good time. You're out drinking with the boys. Now it's time to pay the tab.

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17:50Customize your monthly payment, no fees ever. Visit Ernest.com today. Ernest loans are made by Ernest Operations LLC, terms and conditions apply. They did not think so this would be like the coaches are admin. They intentionally circumvented like to prevent its disclosure or to hide this from the NCAA. That adds another level to where it's just not a technicality of his eligibility. It's also the institution itself covering it up. We think if that were to happen, that that would for sure break it open. And Justin has said as much when he says so for some of your listeners who just aren't in this day today, Spiro has said on this show and said others that he has tapes of which the admin has admitted to knowledge of this. That is huge because that implies that they knew about it. They didn't take measures to disclose this not during the when they were supposed to find everything during the last and away.

18:51So that adds that extra layer. So I think kind of what you're seeing Spiro do behind the scenes. I have to guess because he kind of works in the dark. People always ask me what Spiro to I don't know. But he has to find out simple things like was this disclosed right he has to find out connections to if there was like he knows the admin knows about it. He has to find proof because he said he won't leak those tapes because of journalistic integrity. So I think he's been doing some of that and just kind of reading the TV is I think he's got somewhere. All right. I just want to push back on one thing in transit. So the implication then would be that Michigan knew about something and didn't disclose it and that just seems totally out of character for Michigan in administration because we've only known them to be totally above board and ethical saw. I'm kind of I'm kind of ashamed for even implying that they could do something underhanded like that.

19:54Yeah. Well, that's the thing. There's so much smoke. I mean, if you want to look back at this story. So for some of you like this LLC was found out by is actually I believe it was first found out about a Michigan state guy on a forum. For regardless is they started searching everything because there's so much shading is going on with that football program where they found this LLC was stallions name on it. And so anyways, this was actually made through a company that wired magazine had a it was made through registered agents ink who creates these LLCs under a cloka anonymity. So someone like what did the steps to try to like hide its origin. And it's also another weird thing about it too is once it became public this LLC once it was dug up two things happen for one that LLC dissolved. And then in Blake Corms own blog. So this is something no one probably really looks at someone went back and edited the language and so we some guys I believe some of these guys found this in 11 words, but regardless is he actually added the language about a housing investment that he had in an arbor.

21:11So some property he bought an arbor, he kind of basically made that disappear. So someone went backtracking on Corms and so I can't say for sure it's him, but someone who controls his blog edited language about this LLC. So probably beginning him saying basically stallions committed a felony because he's saying that as soon as he said he didn't have knowledge that means that stallions forged his name, which is a felony its perjury. So he's so we assume that he didn't commit perjury, right. But if you go further, this whole creation of the LLC was strange is dissolution was strange. I was not getting answers was strange. So yeah, that's sorry about the tangent, but there's always something really shady going on about this, including that, including investment he had in an arbor that he may disappear. Yeah, so let me go into a little bit of what Justin said on his one of his latest tweets in regards to this, it gives us some insight. So in the beginning of the tweet, I'm not going to read it all, he says, you know, talk about a house they miss because they had a vac wins because of, you know, silly stuff.

22:19Then he says, Michigan did not self report any of their record setting number of violations in cheeseburger gay or sine gay, and they certainly did did not self report this still unadjudicated quorum matter. In fact, they covered up covered it up, then he gives bullet points, Blake quorum knew about the LLC, Blake quorum light about it, Michigan knows quorum knew and knows he lied about it. These are facts for which they're strong evidence. Then he cites the rule violations, thus by rule, quorum was ineligible for all games in 2022 in 2023 by law 16.0 2.3 and 12.1111. Okay, and he just goes in and finishes off by saying there's no nuance or mitigation as always to him as you learn the triggering of the vacated wins penalty is inherent to the violations in his automatic. With Ernest refinancing your student loans is easy check your rate in minutes with no credit impact customize your monthly payment no fees ever visit Ernest dot com today. Ernest loans are made by Ernest operations LLC terms and conditions apply.

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24:29So yes once again Justin sounds very confident in what he has we just don't know the exact you know information he has but we know Justin well enough all based off his track record his integrity. He doesn't run with stuff without vetting it 50 million times I mean he can have something he still wants to better even more as much as some of y'all hate him. This dude is as tight and right as as you possibly can get as an investigative journalist so I know some of y'all say and listen let me say this fellas I completely understand some of the comments about being skeptical with the NCAA. I'm not skeptical of Justin Spiro it's just the NCAA are buffoons and so they prove that with this last it when they had everything on a silver platter and and they said oh you know what you're supposed to get a two year boba for this this was really bad and we're going to let you know how bad it was throughout this entire document with scathing language.

25:36And but you know what because of the kids we're not going to give you that two year boba that you deserve and earned by cheating so it's just I get the the angst or I get the skepticism about the NCAA but but this is a higher level of confidence and and Spiro be an adamant about this then he's ever been. And so I think this is a something like Nevada has said anybody it trends here in the body went away in Nevada so you. Well yeah but yeah I one I share your skepticism about the NCAA so let that goes without saying it at the end of the three of us probably more so than anybody or hate the NCAA for the way that they botched the the required decision but but putting that aside. I have complete faith in Justin and so when Justin says I've learned for my interactions with Justin over years that when he says he has something he has it and it the one thing i'll say for the NCAA is if it was any other type of situation other than an ineligible player I honestly would just like shelve it because I just I think ineligible players is the one area that they've showed a little bit of background they've showed you know they they fight.

26:55You know they they follow through it you know more than a few times these seem to be the only cases that they seem to care about. I think it's because they're black and white there's not a lot of nuance on them you know if you violate the rule players in eligible it players in eligible the games on count I mean that that that that kind of linear thinking they seem to do well with so you know between. You know my confidence in Justin and that the nature of the offense i'm you know i'm willing to be heard again i'm willing to be heard again by believing in this because I really think. I know it you know you just know it you know at any gutter all over you know that this happened his response from just from a quorum about his name being forged on an LLC document was totally weird and inappropriate and nobody responds that way so you know you're only logic and conclusion is that he knew about this and that you know this was the he was intentionally trying to deflect you blame from it in the fact they went back and scrubbed.

28:02His social media language refer into life i think is bc to LLC or whatever was i mean that's that's pretty damning so i think there's a consciousness of guilt if he's got it in terms of tapes that ties Michigan to it then i think there's lots of reasons that we can be cautious the optimistic that maybe there is some justice in the world that comes the NCAA and Michigan. Yeah, and I want to say something because this is a distinction that I have have to make to myself because we all have our views towards the NCAA like of course we're bullish Justin Spiro we're bears and see double I think that probably describes most people but the NCAA. Where's demanding core penalties for the Michigan science ceiling probe they demanded Ross Dallanger pointed that out that's NCAA the COI is like an independent committee. Of other people who aren't like NCAA workers who then like basically in a judge process come to a decision so COI went rogue the NCAA played that by the book and that actual report that came out was worse than what even I had expected so.

29:11And and what Nevada was saying they are pretty like anal about these intelligibility rules and they don't have a lot left so I think we're all going to be skeptical of the NCAA I mean I still am even with what I just said i'm still skeptical but if that's why I think that next layer and he says that in his post i'm glad you read that be because he says that to admin knew about it okay. This isn't just like hey I forgot to disclose something this is this is I knew that he was an eligible and then it disclosed this and didn't ever tell you guys like that's why he's talking about if you see his policy saying self reported like when Michigan state look back and we had our wins vacated we self reported some like plane tickets or something silly something really small and a vacate everything so and that just happened this last year so. If he can if he can so what i'm just looking at how we're looking at it from a practical perspective if he can come out with something that says hey not only was he an eligible because he received an IL funds from us lc which were not disclosed but also the admin knew about it and the great thing that spiral has you're working for him is he's already told he was told that that happened so he just has to go find it that's a big advantage to him here so yeah I think he got some.

30:33Where if you just kind of follow spirals post which i'm sure a lot of you do he definitely made headway when he came on your show a couple of weeks ago and he said he had the two silver bullets you guys remember that yep so he's made headway on this i'm most certain of it. Got you real quick i see you in the chat duplicator you asked this twice can anyone answer my question in all caps you're yelling now didn't see that they already ruined this last year no they did not duplicator. This LLC situation was not included and the sign stilling you know illegal sign stilling document you know with stallions and the coaches all of that that wasn't included it was mentioned it was brought out because obviously quorum was interviewed and he lied on camera and said he didn't know about it. But this was not a part of the report so no this was not rude already any response to that fellas would be what about y'all that. Didn't they answer their way with does that change your answer in any way because i yelled at no it doesn't.

31:40Yeah actually i think he brings up a good point though because you think hey didn't they just look at everything well for one michigan was supposed to it's not a bad question michigan was supposed to find stuff like this during that investigation right now the NCAA never accused them of it they never got a no way about it they never got a no i about it they never looked into it. The one thing i was told and i can't verify this because i haven't seen the emails but i was told that it was submitted to the NCAA everything that they could find publicly about this LLC meaning that people basically sent to the NCAA saying hey look it here's this LLC here stallions look into it but just because you do that doesn't mean the NCAA is going to listen to you you know but i would have heard that that happened so. But what spirals going to do here is going to be beyond that clearly if you guys seen his report he has like taxed he has documents he has hard stuff that you can't just find online like we did here yeah Nevada did you want to respond well yeah i think you know it the whole nature of this thing with michigan has been they don't solve for port they don't solve for port anything yeah right you can talk about the michigan state stuff being self reported the Ohio State the whole entire tat gate.

32:56Trustle that was all from an internal Ohio State investigation so you know michigan strategy on this has been to not be forthcoming to never disclose this and no on the last one to answer that the question yeah no this was this was never before the committee on infractions um because they you know just there was no evidence presented and michigan certainly didn't follow up with any evidence that they had or or didn't have it. At the time but if Justin has it this would be I believe that this would be an entirely new in entirely new case and certainly unrelated to the science deal in them yeah real quick this is what I'll be talking about with this chat man you are hilarious jay coburn where can I get vacuum cleaner earrings for my wife yes i'm sure amazon some some some obscure site has them i'm sure or spiral you might want to get an LLC.

33:56together to start selling those brother get you some sales but uh that is hilarious but yes and about I'm glad you pointed that out because I was going to say the same thing it pays it pays to not cooperate it's sad to say but Ohio State is just like they self reported the whole tattoo stuff and you know all of that the coach gets fired gets popped. Players get suspended the entire country is trying to play as like we're just SMU in transit I don't know if you how much you were into that back then of being up in michigan it was awful it was awful it was the media reaction was worse than what michigan got for doing 10 times worse and so and you guys in transit got popped for the for the little all pay for a plane ticket you got vacated wins for that and michigan literally was on field cheating affecting the outcome of games and what was the wording they used in the document in transit competitive advantage that was confirmed because they try to make it seem like that wasn't a case no it was we optimize hydration movement supplements and sleep but most people completely ignore the air they're breathing and when your air is off your body feels it first the blue signature air purifiers by blue air quietly remove airborne pollutants odors smoke

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36:41and it's just it's an injustice all the way around so what good is it to self report and be honest when the bad guys get get the you know I guess get off without really getting cracked like they should have got crack and transit go ahead bro and that's just big to the point like it's so funny like yeah they cheated like nothing is worse than knowing your opponents plays like anyone who's played the sporter can just conceptualize the sport knowing what your opponent is going to run is a huge competitive advantage and that they but I remember talking to you guys about when we were trying to predict the penalties it was like maybe you know it's not clear although they have the latitude to do it it's clearly in there it says other all reasons of AK games but forever reason in eligible games so I think it would be so fitting for the NCAA selective in ridiculous punishments for some things while letting other things slide that they go back and vacate these games over this this LLC and not disclosing money earned which is the rules by the way but they should have vacated at all from the on field cheating for a competitive advantage but regardless

37:56is the interpretation is the correct interpretation like if you guys see their spirit is telling you he's talking to an NCAA source so this isn't me in my lower by this is him talking to a NCAA source you says yes if you can prove he broke these laws and hypothetically yes it's an eligible that means everything's vacated that proof par would just be legendary work on spirul because how do you get document disclosure documents from the university right showing that I don't know what I'm talking about that I didn't disclose this how do you receive records of forum receiving money because I understand he could have this LLC but if he did not receive money from it that's not a violation because that's no benefit what benefit did he receive if he did not receive money or assets or something similar right so spirul has to find all that stuff so people sometimes like what's taking so long but for why he's not using those tapes which I've also heard some people say maybe doesn't have the tapes for I'd have two units answers for that one is everything that he said you have no reason to not trust this guy at this point but two I've also spoken with one of the people he showed the tapes to who verifies it yes I've heard this tape so yes that tape exists but he has to go and do this legwork now to find these documents and do all that like that's a lot of work and I don't know how he gets to it but he clearly has he's even said this he has two sources inside the university so maybe they're able to get it out of the way he's doing it

39:25maybe they're able to get it to him but regardless yeah I'm bullish on dust and spiral I obviously I'm you know with that as far as NCAA I think we all the similar feelings about regarding them but if he shows that they intentionally circumvented this disclosure that that someone from the admin or the coaches did that that's a level beyond just the analogy so I think if that happens I think the environment's right for them to open a case and if they open so if you ever see this case open they're done just know that if it gets opened it's done because they're very quite dry like what Nevada was saying on eligibility they're it's just letter of the law they always do it they never have it Nevada what you got on that bro cut and dry well I mean look it's it's yeah I think what we're all hoping is that Justin's going to be very careful and take his time and you know for him it's about his reputation and he's always been that way he's always been very thoughtful and I know people want it now you know people wanted stuff six months ago

40:33and they're a white white aren't you doing it but you know as intrinsic says there's a lot of work that goes into it and you know the Michigan's a master and I saw today Partridge the ex coach sued Michigan today over his dismissal yeah and you know you know it just just another black eye for ward manual on this and you you really want to wonder where the involvement is was the involvement at the administration level was it at the coach you know where was the where was the touch point with Blake Gorm on this thing and and do do the roads lead up to ward manual because you know we've talked about the internal investigation that's going on that's going to ultimately result in his being fired which I can't imagine you know any other possible result on it but you just wanted to do all roads lead to ward manual on this one that's that's my question yeah and then here's the other thing that we have not mentioned yet there's still an ongoing investigation that we're waiting on the results of now you talk about skepticism

41:35we're skeptical of the depths and the integrity of the investigation but there is one maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised let me ask y'all on a on a confidence scale from one to 10 what is your confidence level 10 be in the greatest that this is a legitimate investigation that they're that they're they're not playing around they're uncovering they're overturning all stones they're looking to every like this is a legit investigation wish your confidence I'll start with you and trends it I think part of it will be legit I think the fact that they didn't expand this the scope of this third party investigation to include the board of regents and next president because understand some of this my wife stuff involves the board of regents and acts president so if you really need to look into all the shady dealings you need it comes from the very top and even Tom Mars or lawyer said culture comes from the top so the fact that they've kind of isolated it into just athletic department I think is a shame if they really wanted to clean

42:39up the culture they'd start with the board of regents but I do think some of it's legitimate I mean part of it and part of things that uh be Moses and I you know heard is that a recruiting director or someone in recruiting there's another affair going on and that's going to be one of the additional firings so I have to see if that how that pans out but I think they're gonna I think they're gonna do enough to to make it seem like they've got it all out there but I think some of the really bad stuff they would be willing to still hide or maybe not work with them to hide but not give them access to find out if that makes sense yeah real quick Nevada before you weigh in the difference so how state you know when our president by the way they're naming a new president tomorrow at 9 a.m. you know when when stuff pops off like that it's handled swiftly and you know it's it's boom boom you're done it's no oh it's been months oh we beat Ohio State so we'll keep them around or or oh we'll you know way to an investigation commas to to get them up out the

43:43paint nah that's the difference men and women are going to do things that are undercoming or make mistakes or or you know whatever fall short but how does the administration handle it so that's one thing also intrinsic and Nevada it's I'm glad to see this joy Velazquez slander seems to have gone away from uncle T and all that foolishness and Ryan Day's brother I have at least I haven't seen it lately so you know it's just it's just so much mess and just ridiculousness from from them boys up north and the whole pot is just rotten and stinking Nevada wish a one to 10 wish a confidence level that the investigation is legit well it's it's I'm going to have to say like a five just because it's going to be legit in that they already know they already know what the result is they've been they've been they were told what the result needs to be need for the thing so it'll be legit towards the end of you know the show in a report that talks about the culture and

44:48the athletic department being broken how ward manual has lost the you know the trust of the board and needs to be removed for cause and that's how they negotiate him out of his contract so it's it'll be a legitimate illegitimate exercise because if it was truly legitimate they would have said just do the work and it lead us where it leads us but these guys know what the objective is they are they they know the marching orders they know they know what they have to get and you know words got to go you know this thing with the Partridge thing is just the way you read the Partridge thing and you know ward manuals even says oh I was probably hasty on that I was probably emotional like like he just he says stuff that you're like what what are you how how do you still have a job right yeah how are you doing this but um yeah so I say it'll be a legitimate illegitimate investigation because they they know what they're set out to to find all right Ohio State self reports Michigan throws phones into lakes and deletes text messages we are not the same

45:52exactly men will send women will lie people will make mistakes and do things how does the management and the people up top handle said things and Michigan has done everything but been forthcoming about all of their mess and scandals and that includes their media anyway trendsy use about to say something yeah I mean as far as as far as the Ohio State situation I just think if this was that so yes one person the lone wolf argument that Michigan fans like like to do like not they have like eight or nine lone wolves yeah if one person goes rogue and does something bad you know that that really isn't doesn't point to there being a huge institutional problem but when you have you know your head coach then your next head coach both offensive coordinators when you have this systemic problems that all sudden then you start pointing towards institution like if this was Michigan the president would be doing it and then you know if there

46:54be someone underneath them who was doing something funny and it just would keep going so yeah that's the big difference um we optimize hydration movement supplements and sleep but most people completely ignore the air their breathing and when your air is off your body feels it first the blue signature air purifiers by blue air quietly remove airborne pollutants odors smoke and allergens supporting deeper sleep better recovery and clearer focus it's the most customizable air purifier you can get with exclusive accessories designed to fit your space and your style visit blueair.com and use code signature 30 to elevate your wellness routine when you manage procurement for multiple facilities every order matters but when it's for a hospital system they matter even more granger gets it and knows there's no time for managing multiple suppliers and no room for shipping delays that's why granger offers millions of products and fast dependable delivery so you can keep your facilities stocked safe and running smoothly call 1-800 ranger click ranger.com or just

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48:58off you guys showed my post on that a few weeks ago but this investigation has gone longer because someone inside Michigan is talking so I think we're going to see some things in that report that we like too as far as that goes because I think oh that we like I mean I like because I hate on this this place but it probably won't be very nice things involving more people knowing about more and going back and whatnot but I think it's going to be like Nevada said with the end result to try to push word manual up all right real quick I'm going to read this I think this is important for even more context from Justin standpoint and also some of the criticism so he got a tweet from some guy named Chris it says you keep saying there's strong evidence to support your claims but you never present the evidence Justin that's not how proving a case works if you want anyone caps he yelled to believe you you are going to have to produce we are basically several years into saying the sky is falling Justin's response the evidence is off the record I could have reported

50:04Sharon's Sharon Moore's affair in October of 2024 14 months before I eventually broke that story I had the evidence then too but instead of burning sources I kept digging into like it reported the right way just like now to me that post is bars that really tells you he's he's giving you the receipts like okay you keep mocking me but I have integrity I'm holding back because I'm integral and I have sources that I have respect for and so out of respect for my sources I'm not going to jump the gun no matter how tasty and delicious it might be to do so and so he's telling you you're still mocking me now and I'm telling you I have evidence it's just like I told you I haven't had evidence it's in or Sharon Moore so it's just like again we're all skeppie hippo about the NCAA I know I am but how could you doubt this cat at this point as if he's just

51:08lying and make a stuff up I'm just saying I'm just saying fellas Nevada what you got on that man yeah well I mean you know Justin's careful I mean Justin's been very careful about this but but if you've been following this case it's been you know it's it's been there's been a buildup on this we've seen it coming we've seen him kind of going to the line and kind of stepping back and we know what he's been looking for and he seems to you know have found it and I'm just I I just want justice to be done you know I've always thought that way I felt like you know the last case you know you know is intrinsic pointed out rightfully you know the NCAA try to do the right thing the COI went rogue on something like this it seems like it's less squishy it's less you know under other you know powers as available this is you know pretty pretty cut and dried and vacating wins doesn't hurt the kids you know you're going back in terms of anything backward doesn't hurt the current players so that that argument would seemingly be to have removed from

52:11it as well so I'm I'm excited about it I'm consciously optimistic about it and um in the well I can't wait to get Justin on the uh on the show and see what we can squeeze out of him when we get him on the podcast time yeah for sure and uh for those you know who say the phrase I'm not trying to get my hopes up I don't know I don't I don't I don't think that way like my thing is this I'm gonna go about my business I'm gonna talk about Buckeye football I'm gonna enjoy my life and as this is cooking and brewing if it comes out the hey they're gonna get popped celebrate if if it doesn't end up being anything all right cool are we gonna move on we know that Nadi was fake we know they're cheaters we know all of that but this would definitely be justice like full justice if this went to occur so I would I would submit that to you don't look at this is oh I don't want to listen to this and give my hopes up no just taking the facts taking the logic

53:12taking the breakdown of like okay this is what we're dealing with and just you know let the chips fall intrinsic you got anything to say about any of that yeah I mean we've seen two more national uh champion in Sunstein I don't see any of the national champions talking about their legitimacy from year to year like that's constantly happening these guys are still trying to defend illegitimate title I don't think anything's gonna change that that title was surrounded by on field cheating and their coach being suspended multiple times in a season and the investigation and fallout and understand I think part of the part of the optimism if you're gonna have some optimism is the NCAA Drew McIntyre here from WWE wielding the Claymore can be a life of chaos but I'm not dominating in the ring Chumba Casino is how this warrior takes a rebrate with hundreds of online social games and new weekly releases there's always something fresh to try and those daily boosts next level even my free time feels like foul howling so when life feels like a battle kick up your feet have some fun let's Chumba no purchase necessary VGW group void were prohibited

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55:20I don't believe if I worked in that NCAA that that decision was what they wanted in negotiations as reported by Ross Dallinger I also think that we've seen the complete collapse of this program afterward we've seen Sherone Moore engaging stuff to people who are not football fans see as very egregious very offensive to someone who's married with children dangerous right so then they start noticing okay well this stems from a cultural problem well then boom not only that we have a SA case that's even more disgusting with allegedly the head coach saying he wanted in on it you understand like this so this is offensive to your ordinary person and it's all stems from this not being taken care of properly the NCAA should have or the COY and their decision should have taken care of this and made it so Sherone Moore was not able to coach there you understand if everyone from harbour now they're saying we got a cleaner to support to treat free press we

56:24have to clean out everyone from the harbour arrows listen that should have happened by the organization governing the sport okay if you did that we don't have this Sherone Moore we don't have this literally Lewis allegations right so I think that and part this is building it's not building from just an investigative stance from Spiro doing his work Spiro's credibility is growing he's also getting more sources and more people who keep eyes on his stuff like Bar Sulete for instance he was not looking at Spiro's stuff six months ago right he is now there's a lot of eyes on this right now so when this comes to release I think the appetites here let's do the just thing let's do the just thing get everything out there not just from your internal report to get everything out there and let's just move on I mean regardless it's tainted you can see that in behaviors but that's what needs to happen here Nevada that was a transit that was a great great spiel like what what he just said is so so important where he but the meat are the highlight of what he just said

57:29is basically if you would have done the right thing and cleaned house of the rift rafs and all the tom fulurean and all the perverts and all the then residual victims were created because you didn't do that like that's that's true that's painfully true the Troy Lewis the accused a legit rapist would not be there to do that and to you know come at the young lady like he did and sure like all of that that matters but that's what happens when you don't have good leadership to do what's right to not just do what's right but to protect others I mean it's just it's crazy Nevada any response to that well look I mean we've all been part of organizations and you know you you know what you can get away with you know what's going on and Harbock created an atmosphere up there or stuff like this

58:32was okay you know cheating in any shape or form was okay the rules didn't apply reporting didn't exist you know I mean that's the environment that that is his legacy as much as people want to talk with the 2023 undefeated seat and that is his legacy I mean he left that program in tatters literally and then on the way out took all the staff to strengthen conditioning coaching burned it down behind him and then and left you know we you know he said for years we said Shron Moore's the guy that's got to go down with the plane because somebody's you know somebody's got to do it and that's exactly what it was he was not qualified to do it they put him in that job somehow he beat Ohio state that first year and you know they were ready to put him on the Mount Rushmore of Grates and you know it was all it was all it was all lie the entire general Harbock experience was it was the object failure for Michigan and they're still you know they're still paying the price but this is directly the residue of that Harbock higher some 10 years ago yep so true what a mess man

59:40ridiculous let's get to these superchats Jay Cobra and thanks for the 49 bye bye fake nadi what up intrinsic and scoop family yes um again it will be glorious to uh to see this happen but even if it doesn't we know what the deal is intrinsic any response to that just what object uh thanks for your comment yeah yeah I mean it's all ready fake it's already tight tainted I mean it just be hilarious it just be so funny if they did put the final nail in the coffin but either way I mean if you you follow this discourse on a day-to-day basis these people are constantly trying to defend it it's so funny to me yeah it's ridiculous about it well yeah now I think the you know I think when intrinsic said those spot on if the NCAA opens an investigation that it's it's done you know so just that that you know sometimes you wait for the result the incident of the investigation and the committee in fact but you know if they open it Michigan's in deep deep trouble so that's

1:00:44what we'll uh we'll we'll be waiting to see if uh if they do the right thing we'll wait to see what type of evidence Justin can put but yeah I I like the fact that they've been forever tainted because it's the right thing I don't I didn't want to be tainted just because they're Michigan but they were cheating they were cheating they should never have had it in the first place and it's it's good to see this thing coming around on them definitely and uh stilly Matt man I ask it right past your chat man my bad thanks for the one and uh welcome intrinsic our sparty brother yes you are you are beloved here intrinsic I've been trying to find excuses and and just making up titles and topics to get you on here like man how can we get him back on here but tonight was perfect made sense so I'm glad you were able to come on uh intrinsic all right uh stilly Matt thanks for the one and now the vacuum cleaner earrings are hilarious yes they were I mean that was just like isn't one of those things like when you're creating the AI video like Justin was just like you know what let me put vacuum cleaner earrings on him I mean like I got to ask him that next time I talk to

1:01:47him like what made you think of that it was just it was hilarious Nevada yeah what's amazing what you can do with AI man it's amazing what you can do with AI and you know the dancing with the uh with the vacuum and into the Harry Potter music and everything like that was uh was was pretty inspired as well so you know the whole thing is great but just now Justin's definitely improved his uh his short film game as whatever we want to call it he's he's definitely improving again that part is improving as well so Justin if you're listening a plus in this late latest effort very score a sazy like for sure um mark from dub c member for night scubaught you remember for nine months we appreciate you whatever happened to honor and integrity being rewarded preach preach preacher I don't know I don't know when it comes to the NCAA well I'm sorry the COI and I'm glad what's funny is intrinsic me and Nevada have corrected ourselves and corrected that in general many times but it's so easy to slip back into lumping them in because you're

1:02:52correct the NCAA did their job and said hey this deserve this deserves a two year boband they need to get cracked and then the COI went rogue that's the fair that's what happened but we lumped them in you know it's kind of by just this is what we do but a great point um intrinsic did you want to respond to that yeah I mean honor I mean in the real world honor and integrity is rewarded I can tell you I deal with the Michigan fans all the time they do not feel the same way about their championship as you guys felt about yours the year after like there's a price to pay to some of this I mean hopefully I mean it's been since 1948 since they legitimately won an outright title maybe someday they can experience that we've experienced that Michigan State more recently than they have but regardless is no one respects that title this goes from sports object you talk to SEC fans you know the people follow my content it's very similar to that and I have people from all over the country they do not respect that title and they're laughed at over but regardless you you want to

1:03:55do things the right way in life and when you do that success feels so much better because make no mistake every player on that team knew what was going on they all knew that they had its advantage and I just don't understand hard at you as a player who is a player can feel good about doing that to your fellow fellow peer and college athletes so I I'm sure they're going to pay the consequences are they already are in life at least that's how I view the situation yeah did you have anything on that when Nevada no I just I totally agree I think the fact that they're just a laughing stocking that they've done so much permanent damage to their brand because this you know this type of you know affiliation is not going to go away in people's mind anytime soon I mean this is going to be here for the rest of my natural life people are going to you know think of them as the cheaters and yeah that you know we might have not liked them before but we never thought they were cheating but now like they're forever known as the cheaters and that's that's that's a that's a terrible moniker to have have run your neck for the rest of your rest of your time very true it just one

1:04:59little thing sorry to interrupt are you good you go they have a bridge coach right now this coach has averaged eight and four his entire career I know he's he's a he's a very straight life respectable guy but coaches did not want to come there and coach for them their program has not looked at as a premier program because of all this stuff they are still in the fallout of this program over what they did so some of this is karma coming back at them agreed we said they were that winning hand we we said we liked them he's a nice guy good coach especially 10 years ago whatever he was really strong but he's a bridge coach we agree and so Michigan fans hate when we say that but it's all good still he mad thanks for the one and I appreciate you very much intrinsic another shout out for you oh you see this Toledo geo thanks for the two B Moses LC when now sale picks with the fist airing I like it undercover brother flavor to it I'm gonna get on that man I got to get these LLCs popping all right last super chat here and it's a good one to

1:06:04end out with Joshua Dylan thanks for being a scoop archer remember for 13 months basketball question for y'all to break up the football talk for a second how far y'all think we're going to big 10 turning and how far do we go in the NCAA turning love you guys something light of my night oh highlight of my night okay got you so I'll go first so for those who don't know buckeye's play Iowa tomorrow in Chicago at noon okay they play Iowa they got destroyed by Iowa at Iowa a couple weeks ago they started off 14 to two I was pumping the bottle I was like oh we got to get them and then they went on a 31 to four run or something goofy like that and it was just they put on a clinic in Iowa now I feel like this team is going to be very motivated on a neutral site to write the wrong of that game because Iowa's a good team but they're not that good we just played poorly we were missing Tilly it was just an avalanche of

1:07:05just foolishness so I think we're going to be Iowa I don't know if I have the confidence to say we're going to beat the team up north because that's who we play if we be Iowa so I'm going to say we be Iowa and we and we take Michigan down to the very last minute and they just pull away at the free the line or something like that Nevada what you got on that we should talk oh yeah NCAA tournament I think we went the first round and go out the second go ahead Nevada yeah I think we're going to beat Iowa and I think we're going to beat Michigan I do I think I think I think we're a hot team and I think we're going to make the sweet 16 I don't know if we'll go past that but I think we'll make the sweet 16 hot teams that are shooting the ball well with veteran point guards generally do okay in in these tournament situations and I like the Ohio State because we're shooting the ball really well right now and I think that can that can take us far great now intrinsic as we close out and I know we got this reminder we got dad and VB coach coming on next shortly in a few

1:08:08minutes VB coach is a great poster on Buckeye school he's a he's an online coach great mind they're going to have Jamie Subner on Jamie Subner play with Orlando pace should be a great great show but before we close out intrinsic what's your thoughts on your Michigan state Spartans in the big 10 tournament they're bracket and the NCAA what's your what's your your prediction on how far they go my unbiased prediction I think we win the tournament and we at least get to the eight I don't think our team has a crazy high ceiling but I do think you know we play a really good defense and Izo really knows how to coach in these moments so I think I think we can I think we can get to the lead-A and we can win this tournament for sure okay well if we beat Michigan I think we'll end up seeing y'all in the championship game and that should be fun and so and shout out to Izo man for showing love the Bruce Thornton and Ohio State he's always been sort of a quiet

1:09:09ally supporter I don't know it's just it's I don't know but shout out to Izo man but I'm excited about my buck eyes being in the NCAA tournament I know it's not official yet but it's official so I can't wait but anyway listen another great show I always enjoy doing a show with intrinsic I know Nevada does as well we're gonna keep you posted we're gonna talk to Justin we're gonna keep everything you know growing and we'll just keep you up and what's going on so until next time make sure you go slide over to Devon show and check them out but we will see y'all tomorrow love your buck our scoop family buck our nation go bucks please Tyler Reddick here from 2311 Racing victory lane yeah it's even better with Chamba by my side raced at chamba casino dot com let's chamba no purchase necessary vtw group boy we're

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