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2:16We are zooming towards our goal of 40,000 subscribers, and you can help us get to that point. Also, for you folks who don't always do YouTube, go to Apple. If you're Apple People, go to Apple Podcasts. Make sure you save us there. If you're not an Apple person, make sure you hit up spreeker.com. Excellent platform as well. We will greatly appreciate it. Listen, y'all see the title in the video. Well, Michigan's title will be vacated. Question mark. We got some super friends on this story, namely Justin Spiro. We had him on here a couple of weeks ago. And so we're going to talk about the updates and what's going on with this. And we have a special guest today as well to join in and talk about this situation. Also, we got Dev and VB Coach coming on tonight with a special guest. Big time, you know, Buckeye. From a Buckeye player that I thoroughly respected and enjoyed watching him

3:18play. They'll be on the show tonight after we go. Make sure you tune into that. Also, remember when you send those wonderful Super Jets helps to go towards the pay of forward, which is our military and our first responders. We're going to look out for them because they always look out for us. Nevada Buc wanted to bring you in before we brought our guests in. How you feeling? I'm feeling good, man. We've been waiting. We've been waiting for Justin to kind of break his next story and it seems to be breaking in real time and exciting stuff. So, you know, on a day that was not supposed to have much happening, man, it started happening early and it's been nonstop all day. Yep, for sure. And so, yeah, we got a lot to get in. We're going to talk about Justin in his recent story breaking and the results of that and how y'all need to stop sleeping on his dude. I mean, you know, even you Michigan fans, I know you hate him, but how many receipts do we need?

4:18Does he need for you to say, hmm, I'm going to sit this one out. Now, with that said, we got our brother, our super friend and Trenzick in the house to come and join us to wait in on what Spiro has been talking about. He's been implying what he's been hinting at and all of that and Trenzick, man, it's been him and I've been trying to get you back on here. Glad I was finally able to get you on how you feeling, brother. I'm feeling great. And I enjoyed that video from Spiro today. I think I got a lot of people excited. Yeah, and we're going to play that video. And we're going to, you know, narrate through it a little bit. We're going to have it muted a little bit because of the music with YouTube strike. We just want to avoid that. But I want to try to see the visuals. This might be the most, the best video I've seen him make visually. And he's made a lot of good ones, Nevada. I mean, this was a fun, it was a funny video. It was, it was creative. All of that. So what did you think about the video, Nevada?

5:18Yeah, no, I mean, great stuff. And it's amazing how this guy who doesn't even do this as a full-time job has somehow scooped the Michigan beat and the Michigan mainstream media on about the last nine stories coming out of there. And this one, and clearly the potentially the biggest one of them all, you know, as you said, you know, he's fouling on the sideline, you know, the Tronmore deleting evidence, Tronmore affair, Mr. T funding the scheme, Tronmore, I mean, just list of all these stories. And I know people like, Oh, you're just in spirit. I'm like, just the spirit has been, you know, he's been like Babe Ruth pointing, calling the shots and hitting out of the park every time. So I don't understand any pushback on that because the guys, he's a world-class journalist and he's a bulldog and he's got Michigan in their sites. And that's a problem for them. It is. And especially remember, they mocked and scoffed at him when he

6:22would just release the story about La Troy Lewis a couple weeks ago. And what was it? 24 to 48 hours after he was fired. And so, you know, it was credible allegations. It wasn't just an allegation. You know, somebody gets canned because somebody accused him like there's really no evidence, but it's just an accusation. No, he laid all the evidence out. And I'm sure I'm confident in Nevada and in transit that the Atlanta Falcons have lawyers on their payroll who can be able to read through information and determine if it's a fireable offense or worth taking seriously. And that's what they did. And so, just saying, you mess with Justin at your peril all you want. But before I play the video in transit or Nevada, do you want to say anything else before we hop into this video? Yeah, I mean, I think it's kind of cool seeing Justin's editing just continue to improve. I mean, you guys understand he does this like Nevada saying this is not his main job. He does this just out

7:23of integrity and getting this stuff right. And he takes that very seriously. So it's kind of funny seeing all the Michigan fans. You don't see him in his comments doubting him like they used to. You really don't think it's capitulation on their part. He's done a great job. Yeah, I agree. They're not doubting him as much what they've pivoted to as you're obsessed. And you know, you're you live in your mama's basement. And and you know, just add hominem. Like they're just pivot to that. And so you're pathetic. Don't you care about Michigan State? Like, you know, deflecting. So because they really don't they can't refute. And then it's just like last thing I'm going to say before I'll put this video on. It's crazy because they some of the same idiots keep like tagging him a responding. And he always hits them with a quoted retweet. What receipts embarrassing them. But they keep doing it. So it is what it is fellas. But let's go ahead and

8:27and play this video. And I'm going to put it on mute to start out with. And we can kind of narrate a little bit. All right. So again, here's here's the visuals. Which I think is hilarious. Obviously, AI, but pretty good AI. Look at Tres. That looks like Tres. At night. He trippled with this. I'm not sure who is that show people. Who is that intrinsic? I think that might have been our hockey coach. I'm not sure. Okay. Or it's our president. Yeah. Okay. Now this was funny right here. This was to me. This was great. Let's say Harry Potter music playing for you guys haven't seen it. It's all here. Okay. That's Harry Potter. Look Ohio State. Nevada. He got a nice little cameo. That's Brody feeds. Come Brody. Oh, man. Bert Belima with the belly out. He put everybody here. I guess these are he said these are all the people who are ball has beefed with. Yeah. That's coach Smith. That last guy from Oregon. Yeah.

9:32All right. So these are some of the tweets from his sources saying they're ready to talk. That's Uncle T. That was pretty. That was good. That was good. That was good. Did you got the puck? Sparty. That was funny. All right. Here we go. Hold on. Hold on. 27 mark. 127 mark. And see, I'll defer to you on that. I mean, you're the expert. Basically, it comes down to if Blake Korum knew about the LLC in real time, is that not a violation of the bylaw in section 16, pertaining to extra benefits? And if it is, is Korum not ineligible for the entire period, which would be all of 22 and all of 2023? Essentially, yes. They would be considered retroactively ineligible in any games participated in during that period. Right. And if that's the case, those wins are gone. They're vacated by a rule, correct? Hypothetically, but there obviously needs

10:39to be proof of the violation. Okay. What happens when I prove it? All right. So mute again. Look at the vacuum airings on Korum, man. You got to be kidding me, Spiro. Hilarious. And a Ohio State Claimation Animation version. He got a kick out of this, by the way. That's our guy Tate from Barstool. And yes, Brutus and Sparty celebrating just as being asserted. And of course, they had to make a cameo. He should have threw the butter knife in there though, but it's cool. That's the only only complaint that I have. But yeah. So great video, Hilarious video, like intrinsic said, the Harry Potter. I confess not to not to go off topic, but I've never watched the full full. I've watched like parts of Harry Potter, but not the full movies. I'm going to go

11:41back and watch those two just because anyway, Nevada, what's your thoughts on that, brother? Well, I can't believe that Ohio's Tate gets like a like a video thing on him. And then it's like, you said like an animation claimation thing is you got two, you got two shout outs. And like, there was nothing. There wasn't like, I want to see the anime to be Moses in there or something like that or like Nevada, like flying like on an eagle or something like that. But they had another that man. So where's the love? I mean, Ohio think it's two calls. We get nothing? Oh, that's a fair criticism, Justin. I know you're going to see this. I mean, you know, because I know the logic is he deals with Portinoi and scum fans come at him heavy, but scum fans come at us heavy. And you know, and we're the we're fellow scum killers. Like we, if anybody's at their neck, it's us. And so where, you know, where's my claimation? So no, after you, but uh, but other than that, Nevada. So let's kind of get into what he said

12:44with the NCAA. And in transit, obviously, we want you to give your perspective because you are, you are a bylaw body. Like you know this stuff. You have some thoughts about, I guess, loophole, different things that can go back and forth with this. Now this is the caveat is we don't know everything Justin has. And that's a phone call or text the way to pick his brain. But we don't know what evidence he has. He's just adamant that he has the evidence. And you know, he does not going to say that if he does it. So Nevada, did you want to respond to that first? Well, I'll lay it out and kind of layman's terms. And then we'll let in transit kind of come in and fill in the bylaws and the rules and regulations and things. My understanding of this is that that counter stallions formed a company, this, this LLC, BC to LLC or whatever it was or and that Blake Corm was listed on the Articles of Incorporation, you know, for the LLC.

13:45And then when, when, when queer about it, Blake Corm claimed he didn't know anything about it. Because at that point in time, he had kind of recognized that him being in business with a coach would somehow trip the impermissible additional benefit thing because he was given a benefit that was not available to all the other players on the team. He got it because his special circumstance as Blake Corm. And that that would be a violation of the NCAA rule and would, you know, hence make him an ineligible player, which would then potentially trigger vacations of wins, et cetera, such, et cetera. So that's kind of my, you know, lay persons, you have it. But in transit, maybe you can kind of talk about the specific rules that are being violated potentially by Blake Corm in this situation if that that Justin, because I'm just going to take as a given that Justin can prove that this happened because Justin doesn't say that

14:47unless he can prove it. So let's suspend disbelief on that part. Tell me what violations would have occurred at that point. And then what are the potential remedies and penalties by the NCAA? Yeah. So Justin all listed the two that he has an eye there. I think the major one that would redeem him an eligible would be the 16.2.3, which is an extra benefits section. Basically, if you're in business with a coach, it has to be equal for each student athlete, right? So that would be the one that he would have violated. But in looking for a farther and Justin knows this, the Michigan law has it different. We're basically, if you receive an NIL benefit, you have to disclose it. So if you kind of go and take what Spiro is saying, he's saying he has Michigan's admin emitting to him that they were aware of this business relationship between quorum and stallions. Now, that's a relationship which quorum, as you mentioned, denied even knowing

15:54about. He said, my lawyer will look into it. He still hasn't looked into it. But regardless, so to me, that says that wasn't disclosed because that was something that maybe Justin, I disagree on. I'm not sure. But if it was disclosed, so if he disclosed that, I believe it, he'd still be eligible. So that's the extra benefit one. And he also mentioned 12.1.1, which was I thought was interesting because that's basically a rule for the member institution. So for Michigan, that basically Michigan has a job of making sure his players are eligible and in compliance with NIL policy. So he's basically saying, because I haven't seen him poke at that bylaw until today. So that is him pointing towards the institution's involvement. And that's where I believe just practically looking at this, because I know a lot of people are saying they're like, hey, they're not going to do anything because they had them dead to rights in the last one. So me working, you know, with the lawyer that I have, we think just like tangulate. Now,

17:00this is this is just how we are viewing the situation. It doesn't mean it has to be done that way. But how we view it is that if Spiro, who I wouldn't bet against at this point, could prove that Michigan knew about this. And are you a fraud paying American? It's a fact that one in four honest, hardworking tax paying Americans has been a victim of identity theft. With life lock identity theft protection though, if your identity is stolen, they fix it, guaranteed, and get you your money back. Last year, the IRS flagged over $16 billion in refunds for identity fraud. That's billions of dollars that could come from your salary over time or second job. But this year, you don't need to stay a victim. Life lock monitors millions of data points per second for your personal information and alerts you to threats you could easily miss on your own. And if your information does fall into the wrong hands, only life lock has a US-based restoration specialist who are backed by the million dollar

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19:04not a technicality of his eligibility. It's also the institution itself covering it up. So we think if that were to happen, that that would for sure break it open. And Justin has said as much when he says, so for some of your listeners who just aren't in this day today, Spiro has said on this show and he said to others that he has tapes of which the admin has admitted to knowledge of this. That is huge because that implies that they knew about it. They didn't take measures to disclose this not during when they were supposed to find everything during the last NOA. So that adds that up extra layer. So I think kind of what you're seeing Spiro do behind the scenes. I have to guess because he kind of works in the dark. People always ask me what Spiro do. I don't know. But he has to find out simple things like was this disclosed, right? He has to find out connections to if there was like he knows the admin knows about

20:08if he has to find proof because he said he won't leak those tapes because of journalistic integrity. So I think he's been doing some of that and just kind of reading the tea leaves. I think he's got somewhere. So all right. I just want to push back on one thing intrinsic. So the implication then would be that Michigan knew about something and didn't disclose it. And that just seems totally out of character for Michigan administration because we've only known them to be totally above board and ethical. So I'm kind of I'm kind of ashamed of you for even implying that they could do something underhanded like that. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. There's so much smoke. I mean, if you want to look back at this story. So for some of you like this LLC was found out by is actually I believe it was first found out about a Michigan state guy on a forum. For regard, this is they started searching everything because there's so much shading is going on with that football program where they found this LLC was stallions name on it. And so anyways,

21:10this was actually made through a company that wired magazine had a it was made through registered agents Inc who creates these LLCs under a cloaca anonymity. So someone like what did the steps to try to like hide its origin. And it's also another weird thing about it too is once it became public, this LLC once it was dug up two things happened for one that LLC dissolved. And then in Blake Corms own blog. So this is something no one probably really looks at someone went back and edited the language. And so we some guys I believe some of these guys found this in 11 words. But regardless is he actually added the language about a housing investment that he had in an arbor. So some property he bought an arbor. He kind of basically made that disappear. So someone went back tracking on Corms and so I can't say for sure it's him but someone who controls his blog edited language

22:16about this LLC. So rather beginning him saying basically stallions committed a felony because he's saying that as soon as he said he didn't have knowledge that means that stallions forged his name which is a felony it's perjury. So he's so we assume that he didn't commit perjury right. But if you go further this whole creation of the LLC was strained as a dissolution was strained us not getting answers was strained. So yeah that's sorry about the tangent but there's always something really shady going on about this including that including the investment he had in an arbor that he made disappear. Yeah so let me go into a little bit of what Justin said on his one of his latest tweets in regards to this it gives us some insight. So in the beginning of the tweet I'm not going to read it all he says you know Tom Marlhouse statement because they had a vacay wins because it's you know silly stuff. Then he says Michigan did not self-report any of their record setting number of violations in cheeseburger gay or sine gay and they certainly did did not

23:19self-report this still unadjudicated Corm matter. In fact they covered up covered it up then he gives bullet points. Blake Corm knew about the LLC. Blake Corm lied about it Michigan knows Corm knew and knows he lied about it. These are facts for which they're strong evidence. Then he cites the rule violations thus by rule Corm was ineligible for all games in 2022 in 2023 by law 16.02.3 and 12.1111 okay and he just goes in and finishes off by saying there's no new answer mitigation as always you and MSU learned the triggering of the vacated wins penalty is inherent to the violations in this automatic. If you could put all the wonders of the world into one place you'd end up with something very much like Key Largo. Key Largo is the gateway to the keys and the launching point for the untamed Florida Everglades. In fact from snorkeling our living coral reef to fly fishing the Everglades backcountry Key Largo offers the best of both worlds. For more about Key Largo

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25:30myself who needs an attorney to press play on tapes proving everything i say so yes once again Justin sounds very confident in what he has we just don't know the exact you know information he has but we know justin well enough all based off his track record his integrity he doesn't run with stuff without vetting it 50 million times i mean he could have something he still wants to vet it even more as much as some of y'all hate him this dude is as tight and right as as you possibly can get as an investigative journalist so i know some of y'all say and listen let me say this fellas i completely understand some of the comments about being skeptical with the nc double a i'm not skeptical of Justin Spiro it's just the nc double a are buffoons and so they prove that with this last it when they had everything on a silver platter and um and they said oh you know what you're supposed

26:34to get a two-year boband for this this was really bad and we're going to let you know how bad it was throughout this entire document with scathing language and but you know what because of the kids we're not going to give you that two-year boband that you deserved and earned by cheating so it's just i get the the angst or i get the skepticism about the nc double a but but this is a higher level of confidence and and Spiro be an adamant about this than he's ever been and so i think this is something like Nevada has said anybody it trends here in Nevada you want a way in Nevada i see you well yeah but yeah i one i share your skepticism about the nc double a so let that goes without saying the three of us probably more so than anybody or or hate the nc double a for the way that they botched the uh you know the required decision but but putting that aside um i have complete faith

27:35and just and and so when Justin says i've learned for my interactions with Justin over years that when he says he has nothing he has it and it the one thing i'll say for the nc double a is if it was any other type of situation other than an ineligible player i honestly would just like shelve it because i just i but i think ineligible players is the one area that they've showed a little bit of background they showed you know you know they they followed through it you know more than a few times these seem to be the only cases that they seem to care about i think it's because they're they're black and white there's not a lot of nuance on them you know if you violate the rule players ineligible it players ineligible the games on count i mean that that that kind of linear thinking they seem to do well with so you know between you know my confidence and Justin and the nature of the offense i'm you know i'm willing let's put this but i'm willing to be heard again i'm willing to be heard again uh by believing in this because i really think uh i i know it you know you

28:41just know it you know any any guttural of you know that this happened his the response from just from a quorum about his name being forged on an LLC document was totally weird and inappropriate nobody responds that way so you know your only logic or conclusion is that he knew about this and that you know this was the he was intentionally trying to deflect you know blame for him and the fact they went back and scrubbed his uh social media uh language for fern did i play with BC two LLC or whatever it was i mean that's that's pretty damning so i think that there's a consciousness of guilt if you've got it in terms of tapes that ties Michigan to it then i think there's lots of reasons that we can be cautiously optimistic that maybe there is some justice in the role when it comes to the NCAA and Michigan yeah and i want to i want to say something because this is a distinction that i have i'll have to make to myself because we all have our views towards the NCAA like of course we're bullish Justin Spiro we're bears NCAA i think that probably

29:45describes the most people but the NCAA where's demanding core penalties for the Michigan sign stealing probe they didn't made it Ross Dallanger pointed it out that's NCAA the COI is like an independent committee of other people who aren't like NCAA workers who then like basically in a judge process come to a decision so COI went rogue the NCAA played that by the book and that actual report that came out was worse than what even i had expected so and and what Nevada was saying they are pretty like anal about these ineligibility rules and they don't have a lot left so i think we're all going to be skeptical the NCAA i mean i still am even with what i just said i'm still skeptical but if that's why i think that next layer and he says that in his post i'm glad you read that be because he he says that to admin knew about it okay this isn't just like hey i forgot to disclose something this is this is i knew that he was ineligible and didn't disclose

30:51this and didn't ever tell you guys like that's why he's talking about if you see his policy saying self-reported like when Michigan state looked back and we had our wins vacated we self-reported some like plane tickets or something silly something really small and it vacates everything so and that just happened this last year so if he can if he can so what i'm just looking at how we're looking at it from a practical perspective if he can come out with something that says hey not only was he ineligible because he received an IL funds from the cell LC which were not disclosed but also the admin knew about it and the the great thing that spiral has here working for him is he's already told he was told that that happened so he just has to go find it that's a big advantage to him here so yeah and i think he got somewhere if you just kind of follow spirals post which i'm sure a lot of you do he he definitely made headway when he came on your show a couple weeks ago and he said he had the two silver bullets you guys remember that yep so he's made headway

31:53on this i'm most certain of it got you real quick i see you in the chat duplicator you asked twice can anyone answer my question in all caps you're yelling now didn't ncda belay already ruined this last year no they did not duplicator this LLC situation was not included and the sign stilling you know illegal sign stilling um document you know with stallions in the in the coaches all of that that wasn't included it was mentioned it was brought out because obviously quorum was interviewed and he lied on camera and said he didn't know about it but this was not a part of the report so no this was not rude already any response to that fellas would be what about y'all that didn't they answer their way with does that change your answer in any way because i yelled at no it doesn't yeah actually i think he brings up a good point though because you think hey didn't they just look at everything well for one michigan was supposed to it's not a bad question michigan

32:55was supposed to find stuff like this during that investigation you know the ncda belay never accused them of it they never got an NOA about it they never got an NOI about it they never looked into it um the one thing i was told and i can't verify this because i haven't seen the emails but i was told that it was submitted to the ncda belay everything that they could find publicly about this LLC meaning that people basically sent to the ncda belay saying hey look it here's this LLC here's stallions look into it but just because you do that doesn't mean ncda belay is going to listen to you you know but i would have heard that that happened so but what spirals going to do here is going to be beyond that clearly if you guys seen his report he has like packs he has documents he has hard stuff that you can't just find online like we did here yeah Nevada did you want to respond well yeah i think you know it the the whole nature of this thing that michigan has been they don't solve for port they don't solve for port anything you know you right you can talk about the michigan

33:59states up being self-reported the Ohio State the whole entire tat gate trust with it that was all from an internal Ohio State investigation so um you know michigan strategy on this has been to not be forthcoming to never disclose this and no on the last one to answer that the the question yeah now this was this was never before the the committee on infractions um because they you know just there was no there was no evidence presented and michigan certainly didn't follow up with any evidence that they had or or didn't have at the time but if if Justin has it this would be i i believe that this would be an entirely new um an entirely new case and certainly unrelated to these science the women yeah real quick this is what i'll be talking about with this chat man you're hilarious jay coburn where can i get vacuum cleaner earrings for my wife yes i'm sure amazon some some some obscure site has them i'm sure or or sparrow you might want to get an LLC together to

35:03start selling those brother get you some sales but uh that is hilarious um but yes Nevada i'm glad you pointed that out because i was gonna say the same thing is it pays it pays to not cooperate it's sad to say but Ohio State is just like they self-reported the whole tattoo stuff and you know all of that the coach gets fired gets popped players get suspended the entire country is trying to play as like we're just SMU in transit i don't know if you how much you were into that back then of being up in michigan it was awful it was awful it was the media reaction was worse than what michigan got for doing ten times worse and so and you guys in transit got popped for the for the little pay for a plane ticket you got vacated wins for that and and michigan literally

36:04was on field cheating affecting the outcome of games um and what was the wording they used in the document intrinsic uh competitive advantage that was confirmed because they tried to make it seem like that wasn't the case no it was the average cost of a d wine for jimia is eleven thousand three hundred and fifty two dollars and forty seven cents drinking and driving costs more than your drinks learn more at what's the damage not org brought to you by virginia dmv here in key west we were out before it was in in this open and inclusive paradise you can be yourself make new friends and savor our live and let live vibe with lgbtq plus friendly accommodations our legendary nightlife and year-round activities and events it's always a good time to come as you are key west close to perfect far from normal the average cost of a d wine for jimia is eleven thousand three hundred and fifty

37:06two dollars and forty seven cents drinking and driving costs more than your drinks learn more at what's the damage not org brought to you by virginia dmv and it's just it's an justice all the way around so what good is it to self-report and be honest when the the bad guys get get the you know i guess get off without really getting cracked like they should have got cracked and transit go ahead bro no that's just big new point like it's so funny like yeah they cheat it like nothing is worse than knowing your opponents plays like anyone who's played this sport or can just conceptualize the sport knowing what your opponents gonna run is a huge competitive advantage and that they but i remember talking to you guys about when we were trying to predict the penalties it was like maybe you know it's not clear although they have the latitude to do it it's clearly in there it says other all reasons of a k games but forever reason and eligible games so i think it would be so fitting for the nc double a selective

38:10in ridiculous punishments for some things while letting other things slide that they go back and vacate these games over this this LLC and not disclosing money earned which is the rules by the way but they should have vacated it all from the on field cheating for a competitive advantage but regardless it is the interpretation it is the correct interpretation like if you guys see their spiro is telling you he's talking to an nc double a source so this isn't me and my lawyer by this is him talking to it nc double a source who says yes if you can prove he broke these laws then hypothetically yes it's ineligible and that means everything's vacated that proof par would just be legendary work on spiro because how do you get document disclosure documents from the university right showing that i didn't disclose this how do you receive records of uh forum receiving money because i understand he can have this LLC but if he did not receive money from

39:12it that's not a violation because that's no benefit what benefit did he receive if he did not receive money or assets or something similar right so spiro has to find all that stuff so people sometimes like what's taking so long well for wine he's not using those tapes which i've also heard some people say maybe he doesn't have the tapes for i'd have two answers for that one is everything that he said you have no reason to not trust this guy at this point but too i've also spoken with one of the people he showed the tapes to who verifies it yes i've heard this tape so yes that tape exists but he has to go and do this leg work now to find these documents and do all that like that's a lot of work and i don't know how he gets to it but he clearly has he's even sad that he has two sources inside the university so maybe they're able to get it to him but regardless yeah i'm bullish on dust and spiro obviously i'm you know with that as far as NCAA i think we all the similar feelings about regarding them but if he shows that they intentionally

40:16circumvented this disclosure that that someone from the admin or the coaches did that that's a level beyond just the analogy ability so i think if that happens i think the environment's right for them to open a case and if they open so if you ever see this case open third dawn just know that if it gets opened it's done because they're very quite dry like what Nevada was saying on eligibility they're it's just letter of the law they always do it they never have it Nevada what you got on that bro cut and dry well yeah i mean look it's it's yeah i think what we're all hoping is that Justin's gonna be very careful and and take his time and you know for him it's about his reputation and he's always been that way he's always been very thoughtful and i know people want it now you know people wanted stuff six months ago and they're like why aren't you doing it but you know as intrinsic says there's a lot of work that goes into it and you know the i mean Michigan's a master and i saw today partridge the ex coach sued michigan today over his dismissal

41:22yeah and you know um you know it just i just another black eye for ward manual on this and you you really wouldn't wonder where the involvement is was the involvement at the administration level was it at the coach you know where was the where was the touch point with Blake Gorham on this thing and and do do the roads lead up to ward manual because you know we've talked about the internal investigation that's going on that's gonna ultimately result in his being fired which i i can't imagine you know any other possible result on it um but you just wondered does you do all roads lead to ward manual on this one that's that's my question yeah and then here here's the other thing that we have not mentioned yet there's still an ongoing investigation that we're waiting on the results of now you talk about skepticism we're skeptical of the depths and the integrity of the investigation but there is one maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised let me ask y'all on the on a confidence scale from one to 10 what is your confidence level 10 be in the greatest

42:28that this is a legitimate investigation that they're that they're they're not playing around they're uncovering they're overturning all stones they're looking to every like this is a legit investigation wish your confidence i'll start with you intrinsic i think part of it will be legit i think the fact that they didn't expand this the scope of this third party investigation to include the board of regents and ex president because i understand some of this my wife stuff involves the board of regents and ex president so if you really need to look into all the shady dealings you need it comes from the very top and even Tom Mars or lawyer said culture comes from the top so the fact that they've kind of isolated it and to just athletic department i think is a shame if they really wanted to clean up the culture they'd start with the board of regents but i do think some of it's legitimate i mean part of it and part of things that be Moses and i you know heard is that a recruiting director or someone in recruiting there's another fair going

43:29on and that's going to be one of the additional firings so i have to see if that how that pans out but i think they're going to i think they're going to do enough to to make it seem like they've got it all out there but i think some of the really bad stuff they would be willing to still hide or maybe not work with them to hide but not give them access to find out if that makes sense yeah real quick Nevada before you weigh in um the difference so how state you know when our president by the way they're naming a new president tomorrow at 9 a.m you know when when stuff pops off like that it's handled swiftly and you know it's it's boom boom you're you're done it's no oh it's been months oh we beat Ohio state so we'll keep them around or or all will you know wait to an investigation comes to to get them up out the paint nah that's the difference men and women are going to do things that are undercoming or make mistakes or or you know whatever fall short

44:31but how does the administration handle it so that's one thing also intrinsic in Nevada it's i'm glad to see this joy Velasquez slander seems to have gone away from uncle T and all that foolishness and Ryan Day's brother at least i haven't seen it lately so you know it's just it's just so much mess and just ridiculousness from from them boys up north and the whole pot is just rotten and stinking Nevada wish on one to ten wish at confidence level that the investigation is legit well it's it's i'm gonna have to say like a five just because it's going to be legit in that they already know they already know what the result is they've been they've been they were told what the result needs to be need for the thing so it'll be legit towards the end of you know show in a report that talks about the culture and the athletic department being broken how ward manual has lost the you know the trust of the board and needs to be removed for cause

45:33and that's how they negotiate him out of his contract so it's it'll be a legitimate illegitimate exercise because if it was truly legitimate they would just say just do the work and it leaves us work leaves us but these guys know what the objective is they are they know the marching orders they know they know what they have to get and you know wards got to go you know this thing with the parker's thing is just the way you read the parker's thing and you know ward manuals even says oh I was probably hasty on that and I was probably emotional I remember like like he just he says stuff that you're like what what are you how how do you still have a job right how how are you doing this but um yeah so I'll say it'll be a legitimate illegitimate investigation because they they know what they're set out to to find all right all how state self reports Michigan throws phones into lakes and deletes text messages we are not the same exactly men will send women will lie people will make mistakes and do things how does the management

46:36the people up top handle said things and Michigan has done everything but been forthcoming about all of their mess and scandals and that includes their media anyway trendsy use about to say something yeah I mean as far as as far as they'll have state situation I just think if this was that so yes one person the lone wolf argument that Michigan fans like like to revert to like now they have like eight or nine lone wolves yeah if one person goes rogue and does something bad you know that that really isn't doesn't point to there being a huge institutional problem but when you have you know your head coach then your next head coach both offensive coordinators when you have this systemic problems then all of a sudden then you start pointing towards the institution like if this was Michigan the president would be doing it and then you know there'd be someone underneath him who was doing something funny and it just would keep going so yeah that's the big difference um you could save thousands by refinancing your student loans with earnest what's

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48:47price and participation may vary cannot be combined with any other offer yeah but oh yeah so anyways i just wanted to give you some number so at the beginning of this month over two point one million dollars had been spat on this investigation at Michigan's riding so that's another two point one million any investigations going on longer than was expected because it was expected to be resolved in the middle of middle of January so something set this investigation off you guys showed my post on that a few weeks ago but this investigation has gone longer because someone inside Michigan is talking so i think we're gonna see some things in that report that we like too as far as that goes because i think oh that we like i mean i like because i hate on this this place but it probably won't be very nice things uh involving more people knowing about more and it going back and whatnot but i think it's going to be like a Nevada side with the unresolved to try to push word manual off all right real quick i'm going to read this i think this is important for even more

49:51context from Justin standpoint and also some of the criticism so he got a tweet from some guy named Chris it says you keep saying or strongly evidence to support your claims but you never present the evidence just in that's not how proving a case works if you want anyone caps he yelled to believe you you are going to have to produce we are basically several years into saying the sky is falling Justin's response the evidence is off the record i could have reported shiram shiramore's affair in October of 2024 14 months before i eventually broke that story i had the evidence then two but instead of burning sources i kept digging into like it reported the right way just like now to me that post is bars that really tells you he's he's giving you the receipts like okay you keep mocking me but i have integrity i'm holding back because i'm integral and i have sources that i have respect for

50:56and so out of respect for my sources i'm not going to jump the gun no matter how tasty and delicious it might be to do so and so he's telling you you're still mocking me now and i'm telling you i have evidence it's just like i told you i have it it's in or shiramore so it's just like again we're all skeppy hippo about the ncw like i know i am but how could you doubt this cat at this point as if he's just lying and make a stuff up i'm just saying i'm just saying fellas Nevada what you got on that man yeah well i mean you know Justin's careful i mean Justin's been very careful about this but but if you've been following this case it's been fun you know it's it's been there's been a build up on this we've seen it coming we've seen him kind of going to the line and kind of stepping back and we know what he's been looking for and he seems to you know have found it and um i'm just i just want justice to be done you know i've always thought that way i felt like you know the last

51:59case you know he does intrinsic pointed out rightfully you know the ncw i tried to do the right thing the ceo i went rogue um on something like this it it seems like it's less squishy it's less you know under other you know powers as available this is you know pretty pretty cut and dried um and vacating wins doesn't hurt the kids you know you're going back in terms of anything backward doesn't hurt the the current players so that that argument would seemingly be to have removed from it as well so i'm i'm excited about it i'm consciously optimistic about it and um in the all all i can't wait to get Justin on the uh on the show and see what we can squeeze out of him when we uh when we get him on the pod next time yeah for sure and uh for those you know who say the the phrase i'm not trying to get my hopes up i don't know i don't i don't i don't don't i don't think that way like my thing is this i'm gonna go about my business i'm gonna talk about buckeye football i'm gonna enjoy my life and as this is cooking and brewing if it comes out

53:04that hey they're gonna get popped and celebrate if if it doesn't end up being anything all right cool are we gonna move on we know that natty was fake we know their cheaters we know all of that but this would definitely be justice like full justice if this were to occur so i would i would submit that to you don't look at this as oh i don't want to listen to this and give my hopes up no just taking the facts taking the logic taking the breakdown of like okay this is what we're dealing with and just you know let the chips fall uh intrinsic you got anything to say about any of that yeah i mean we've seen two more national uh champion since then i don't see any of the national champions talking about their legitimacy from year to year like that's constantly happy these guys are still trying to defend illegitimate title i don't think anything's gonna change that that title was surrounded by on field cheating and their coach being suspended multiple times in a season and the investigation and fallout and understand i think part of the part of the optimism

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56:12in negotiations as reported by Ross Dallinger i also think that we've seen the complete collapse of this program afterward we've seen sure on more engaging stuff to people who are not football fans see as very egregious very offensive to someone who's married with children dangerous right so then they start noticing okay well this stems from a cultural problem will then boom not only that we have a s a case that's even more disgusting with allegedly the head coach saying he wanted in on it you got to stand like this up this is offensive to your ordinary person and it's all stems from this not being taken care of properly the NCAA should have or the COI and their decision should have taken care of this and made it so sure on more was not able to coach there you understand if everyone from harbour now they're saying we've got a cleaner to support to treat free press we have to clean out everyone from the harbour arrows listen that should have happened by the

57:17organization governing the sport okay if you did that we don't have this sure on more we don't have this literally Lewis allegations right so i think that and part this is building it's not building from just an investigative stance from spirul doing his work spirul's credibility is growing he's also getting more sources and more people who keep eyes on his stuff like bar stool tape for instance he was not looking at spirul's stuff six months ago right he is now there's a lot of eyes on this right now so when this comes release i think the appetites here let's do the just thing let's do the just thing get everything out there not just from your internal report to get everything out there and let's just move on i mean regardless it's tainted you can see that in behaviors but that's what needs to happen here Nevada that was a transit that was a great great spiel like what what he just said is so so important where he but the meat are the highlight of what he just said is basically if you would have done the right thing and cleaned house

58:21of the rift rafs and all the town foolery and and all the perverts and all the then residual victims were created because you didn't do that like that's that's true that's painfully true the Troy Lewis the accused alleged rapist would not be there to do that and to you know come at the young lady like he did and sure like all of that that matters but that's what happens when you don't have good leadership to do what's right to not just do what's right but to protect others i mean it's just it's crazy Nevada any response to that well look i mean we've all been part of organizations and you know you you know what you can get away with you know what's going on and harbock created an atmosphere up there where stuff like this was okay you know cheating in any

59:23shape or form was okay the rules didn't apply reporting didn't exist you know i mean that's the environment that that is his legacy as much as people want to talk with the 2023 undefeated seat and that is his legacy i mean he left that program in tatters literally and then on the way out took all the staff to strengthen conditioning coach and burned it down behind him and then and left you know we you know he'd said for years we'd said shron Moore's the guy that's got to go down with the plane because somebody's you know somebody's got to do it and that's exactly what it was he was not qualified to do it they put him in that job somehow he beat Ohio state that first year and you know they were ready to put him on the Mount Rushmore of Grates and you know it was all it was all it was all lie the entire gym harbock experience was it was a abject failure for Michigan and they're still you know they're still paying the price but this is directly the residue of that harbock higher some 10 years ago yep so true what a mess man

1:00:28it's ridiculous let's get to these superchats Jay co bar and thanks for the 49 bye bye fake natty what up intrinsic and scoop family yes um again it will be glorious to uh to see this happen but even if it doesn't we know what the deal is intrinsic any response to that just what object uh thanks for your comment yeah yeah i mean it's all ready fake it's already tight tainted i mean it just be hilarious it just be so funny if they they put the final nail in the coffin but either way i mean if you you follow this discourse on a day-to-day basis these people are constantly trying to defend it it's so funny to me yeah it's ridiculous to know about it well yeah now i think the you know i think what intrinsic said those spot on if the NCAA opens an investigation is that it's it's done you know so just that that you know sometimes you wait for the result the incident of the investigation and the committee in fact but you know if they open it

1:01:31Michigan's in deep deep trouble so that's what will uh we'll we'll be waiting to see if uh if they do the right thing we'll wait to see what type of evidence Justin can put but yeah i i i like the fact that they've been forever tainted because it's the right thing i don't i don't i don't want to be tainted just because they're Michigan but they were cheating they were cheating they should never have had it in the first place and it's it's good to see this thing coming around on them definitely and uh stilly mat man i i'll skip right-pass show chat man my bad thanks for the 199 welcome intrinsic arse party brother yes you are you are beloved here and intrinsic i've been trying to find excuses and and just making up titles and topics to get you on here like man how can we get him back on here but tonight was perfect made sense so i'm glad you were able to come on uh intrinsic all right uh stilly mat thanks for the 199 the vacuum cleaner earrings are hilarious yes they were i mean that was just like isn't one of those things like when you're creating the AI video like Justin was just like you know what let me put vacuum cleaner earrings on him i mean like

1:02:32i got to ask him that next time i talk to him like what made you think of that it was just it was hilarious Nevada yeah what's amazing what you can do with AI man it's amazing what you can do with AI and you know the the dancing with the uh with the vacuum and into the Harry Potter music and everything like that was uh was was pretty inspired as well so you know the whole thing is great but just now Justin's definitely improved his uh his short film game as whatever we want to call he's he's definitely improving again that part is improving as well so Justin if you're listening a plus in this latest effort very scores sazy like for sure um mark from dub c member for night scubaught you remember for nine months we appreciate you whatever happened to honor and integrity being rewarded preach preach preacher i don't know i don't know when it comes to the NCAA well i'm sorry the COI and i'm glad what's funny is intrinsic me and Nevada have corrected ourselves and corrected that in general many times but it's so easy to slip back into lumping them in

1:03:40because you're correct the NCAA did their job and said hey this deserve this deserves a two-year bow man they need to get cracked and then the COI went rogue that's the fair that's what happened but we lumped them in you know it's kind of by just this is what we do but great point um intrinsic did you want to respond to that yeah i mean honor i mean in the real world honor and integrity is rewarded i can tell you i deal with the Michigan fans all the time they do not feel the same way about their championship as you guys felt about yours the year after like there's a price to pay to some of this i mean hopefully i mean it's been since 1948 since they legitimately want an outright title maybe someday they can experience that we've experienced at Michigan state more recently than they have but regardless is no one respects that title this goes from sports obje you talk to SEC fans you know the people follow my content it's very similar to that and i have people from all over the country they do not respect that title and they're laughed at over it but

1:04:42regardless you you want to do things the right way in life and when you do that success feels so much better because make no mistake every player on that team knew what was going on they all knew that they had its advantage and i just don't understand hard at you as a player who is a player can feel good about doing that to your fellow fellow peer and college athletes so i i i'm sure they're going to pay the consequences are they already are in life at least that's how i view the situation yeah did you have anything on that one Nevada no i i just i totally agree i think the fact that they're just a laughing stock and that they've done so much permanent damage to their brand because this you know this type of a you know affiliation is not going to go away in people's mind anytime soon i mean this is going to be here for the rest of my natural life people are going to you know think of them as the cheaters and that you know we might not like them before but we never thought they were cheating but now like they're forever known as the cheaters and that's that's that's a that's a terrible moniker to have have run your neck for the rest of your rest of your time

1:05:46very true it just one little thing sorry to interrupt are you good you go they have a bridge coach right now this coach has averaged eight and four his entire career i know he's he's a very straight life respectable guy but coaches did not want to come there and coach for them their program has not looked at as a premier program because of all this stuff they are still in the fallout of this program over what they did so some of this is karma coming back at them agreed we said they were uh that winning hand we we said we liked them he's a nice guy good coach especially ten years ago whatever he was really strong but he's a bridge coach we agree and so Michigan fans hate when we say that but it's all good uh still he mad thanks for the one and i appreciate you very much intrinsic another shout out for you don't you see that Toledo geo thanks for the two b-moses LC when now sale picks with the fist airing i like it undercover brother flavor to it i'm gonna get on that man i got to get these

1:06:46LLCs popping all right last super chat here and it's a good one to end out with Joshua Dylan thanks for being a scoop archer remember for 13 months basketball question if we got to break up the football talk for a second how far y'all think we go in a big 10 turning and how far do we go in the NCAA turning love you guys something light of my night oh highlight of my night okay got you so i'll go first so for those you don't know buckeye's play Iowa tomorrow in Chicago at noon okay they play Iowa they got destroyed by Iowa at Iowa a couple weeks ago they started off 14 to two i was pumping about i was like oh we got to get them and then they went on a 31 to 4 run or something goofy like that and it was just they put on a clinic in Iowa now i feel like this team is going to be very motivated on a neutral site to write the wrong of that gain because Iowa's a good team but they're not that good

1:07:49we just played poorly we were missing tilly it was just an avalanche of just foolishness so i think we're going to be Iowa i don't know if i have the confidence to say we're going to be the team up north because that's who we play if we be Iowa so i'm going to say we be Iowa and we and we take Michigan down to the very last minute and they just pull away at the free the line or something like that Nevada what you got on that we should talk oh yeah NCAA tournament i think we went the first round and go out the second go ahead Nevada yeah oh i think we're going to be Iowa and i think we're going to be Michigan i do i think i think i think i think we're a hot team and i think we're going to make the sweet 16 i don't know we'll go past that but i think we'll make the sweet 16 um hot teams that are shooting the ball well with veteran point guards generally do okay in in these tournament situations and i like our house they because we're shooting the ball really well right now and i think that can that can take us far great now intrinsic as we close out and i know we got this reminder we got

1:08:53dad and vb coach coming on next shortly in a few minutes uh vb coach is a great poster on book our scoop he's a he's an online coach great mind um they're going to have Jamie subner on Jamie subner uh play with Orlando pace um should be a great great show but before uh we close out intrinsic what's your thoughts on your Michigan state Spartans in the big 10 tournament their bracket and the NCAA what's your what's your uh your prediction on how far they go my unbiased prediction i think we win the tournament and we least get to the eight uh i don't think our team has a crazy high ceiling but i do think you know we play a really good defense and iso really knows how to coach in these moments so i think i think we can i think we can get to the lead a and uh we can win this tournament for sure okay well if we beat Michigan i think we'll end up seeing y'all in the championship game um and that should be fun and so uh and shout out to iso man for showing love to Bruce Thornton and Ohio State he's always been sort of a quiet ally

1:09:58supporter i don't know it's just it's i don't know but shout out to iso man but i'm excited about my buck eyes being in the NCAA tournament i know it's not official yet but it's official so i can't wait but anyway listen another great show i always enjoy doing a show in intrinsic i know Nevada does as well we're going to keep you posted we're going to talk to Justin we're going to keep everything you know brewing and we'll just keep you up on what's going on so until next time make sure you go slide over to devon show and check them out but we will see y'all tomorrow love your buck eyes group family buck our nation go bucks peace are you a fraud paying american one in four tax paying americans has been a victim of identity fraud with life lock if your identity is stolen they fix it guaranteed or your money back last year

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