OSU Insider- Inside The Buckeyes Defensive Scheme For The 2026 Season

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2:05spreeker.com and save us there. We're going to be talking about some inside the defensive scheme for 2026. Really good nugget on the Buckeye scoop board from the second wise men today. And we're going to dig into that amongst a few other things. But also remember when you send those wonderful super chats, helps to go towards the pay afford, which are military in our first responders. We're going to look out for them because they always look out for us. As I bring Nevada in, we're going to just going to get straight to it and say rest in peace to the legend, Lou Holtz. Lou Holtz. He's a heck of a guy. Over the years, we've experienced a lot with him. He was a Buckeye assistant. Obviously legendary Notre Dame head coach been in television for years. You know, you had the Ryan Day back and forth stuff. Hilarity Pat McAfee. Whatever you got to say about Lou Holtz, he's a legend. And so we say RIP to Lou Holtz and Nevada.

3:08Yeah, I like Lou Holtz. I like Lou Holtz. He was a guilty pleasure of mine. And back to, I remember when when when he got fired and they were looking for a placement and I was just praying it was going to be Holtz because he'd been so good at Arkansas. I thought he would just be perfect for our state and he just didn't want to replace the legend. He just thought that was going to be too hard, which I totally get. And yeah, in the later years, he got a little goofy and it's kind of, we live in the goofy era. We live in this goofy era of social media where the goofy you are, the more attention you get and all attention is good. There's no such thing as bad attention anymore. I think he kind of took that to heart and kind of went over the top of some of this stuff. But I like Lou Holtz. Rest in peach coach. And I always thought he was just an absolutely fantastic college coach and an integrated interview and a guy that really answered interesting things to sign. Yeah, he was an excellent interview. I mean, he was a troll. Lou Holtz was a troll.

4:12And he was funny. Like he had me crack it up like at times. Now remember, y'all, he used to go hard for a house state with Mark May. Remember him and Mark May show? And Mark May would do his usual house state hate. And here come Lou Holtz hitting him with bars for a house state. I don't, I don't, I'll never forget that. That was always great. And yeah, I wonder what Pat McAfee is going to do on his show now with the late Lou Holtz. Will they continue that skit? I mean, it was such a hit for them. You know what I'm saying? What do you do now? But yeah, Lou Holtz, Rest in Peace, man. I mean, he's college football. All my life, Lou Holtz. He's been around. He's been a staple. So definitely a tough loss for for the college football today, Nevada. Yeah, no doubt. And you know, it's one of those things where you just it reminds you to how deep the Ohio State coaching tree is with you look at that

5:151968 staff and look at all the guys on that that staff and all the guys that are coming through the years. And you know, that's why Ohio State's top of the the football, you know, certainly top the football world now and has been there for a long time. And it's just great part of the tradition of Ohio State is these great coaches that that once coached your judgments. Definitely. Let me let me do this because you know how they on TV, they say RIP to the person and they showed a picture. I got to show a picture. RIP Lou Holtz, 1937 to 2026. There you have it. Man, lived a long life. All right. All right. So listen, let's get into this delicious nugget we we dined on today on Buckeye Scoop involving the 2026 defensive scheme. And Nevada, I really want you to kick it off as from the second wiseman talking about Patricia, what he learned from this one season college football and what we're

6:20looking to implement in 2026 after really, you know, having a year to assess himself and self scout and to see what mistakes he made and what he could have did better and things like that. Man, I thought that was an excellent nugget Nevada. What you got? Well, yeah. I mean, Patricia obviously, you know, is a guy that he was very pleased with how they did, you know, in year one, you know, all the historically good type of performance. But, you know, you're always looking for improvement and the one thing that was notable him coming into the season last year in the one of the cracks against someone's he'd never coach at the college level. And, you know, college football is different than the NFL. And, you know, as as he did kind of his end of year assessment of, you know, what what he did well, what he could do differently, what he wants to improve upon. One of the things that that really kind of stuck out to him was the fact that he didn't feel like they pressured enough last year. He felt like they spent too much time on simulated pressures and, you know, given the appearance of pressure and doing a really good

7:24job of disguising their intentions there. But in college football, you're less apt to get burnt by bringing pressure than you are in the NFL, because the NFL, you get burned over the top and you also get burned a lot, excuse me with the screen game a lot. In college football, not so much. So, I think for Ohio State, you know, one of the things they want to do in 2026 is they want to bring more pressure and they want to they want to try to, you know, create more turnovers and they want to create more negative plays, because you last year we, you know, for a defense that was as good as we were, we didn't create a lot of turnovers. You know, I'm saying you look where a turnover ranking was, it wasn't, you know, top of the thing like like we were in yards and, you know, possessions and points and things like that. So, I think he's just looking to kind of fine tune that and one of the use that's kind of the overall strategy and one of the tactics that they're going to be doing to kind of implement that is implementing kind of a stand-up defense event scheme. And, you know, people say why stand-up defense event? What's the difference in your stand-up

8:28defense event? And, you know, hand in the dirt defense event. And the idea is that, you know, while what you give up is a little stoutness against the run, because clearly it's easier to take on a blocker when you put your hand in the dirt. If you're looking to attack, you know, going forward, attacking, going back, attacking laterally, discouraging the better attack angles to the quarterback. It's a heck of a lot easier to stand it up. So, I think those are the couple of things that you're going to be seeing from Ohio State is, you know, an emphasis on pressure and, you know, a increased relevance of stand-up defense events as they kind of go into the 2026 season with with a lot of new new bodies. They feel like they can get stuff going from the inside with Edward Custin, with James Smith, with John Walker. They can get, you know, some push from the inside, but from the outside, I think you're going to look at those stand-up defense events and more jailhouse break-type of pressures to kind of put the heat on the quarterback. So, thought it was interesting and certainly something that's going to be a slight

9:32change from for 2026 and the continued evolution for the Ohio State Bucket defense. Yeah, I'm glad you brought up the stand-up. It was in my notes, actually. I had a buddy of mine who reached out and said, hey, B, like, did you hear Patricia's last comment on his interview with a good morning football and he mentioned he was talking to the guy about his son. He said he was his new thing of stand-up defense events. So, he hit me up and said, do you think we're moving to a 3-4 now? And I went back and listen to the comment. I said, first of all, no, I don't think we're going to fundamentally change from a 4-3-2-3-4. We've been 4-3, you know, 4-2-5, you know, base defense for years. I don't see that changing. However, you can still have stand-up defensive ends and different looks and different packages with your 4-3 still being the base. You don't have to change the 3-4. Now, understanding the 3-4, you know, it's complementary to what you like to do in the 3-4, you know, with the outside linebacker and

10:33or being able to do things fluidly schematically from a 3-4 standpoint with the stand-up defensive end. I get that. But that doesn't mean you have to fundamentally change from a 4-3. So, I don't see that happening. Before I even go on, I got more to say, but do you agree Nevada that we're not changing to a 3-4, just based off of that? Correct. No, I absolutely do not believe that we're changing from, you know, but I think we're going to be doing things differently. I think they are going to try to attack differently, but it will not be a 3-4. It will still be a traditional 4-3, because you may have one guy with the stand-up on the other side too, you know what I'm saying? So, there's a lot of different variations of that, but I think our base is going to be 4-3 for sure. Yeah, and I mean, even think back when Chase Young was here, we were doing some funky things on pre-snap. We had guys, we had like three guys, three or four guys standing and roaming the line. You know what I mean? Like, which was confusing was against Penn State. And so, it wasn't only

11:36against Penn State. I think we did it against a couple teams. The point is, there's things you can do to really diversify your front without changing fundamentally what your base is. And that's kind of the point I wanted to bring home. Did you want to say something else? No, no, I think that's spot on. And I think for Ohio State, you know, look, they did such a great job of disguising coverage. I think they're going to be trying to do more of that with this kind of delayed disguise, kind of the dark looks that the Seattle sea ox have been doing. But I think that for Patricia, it's been a big deal that he realizes that, hey, it's one thing to bring, you know, to bring pressure 20%-30% time. But you can probably get away with it at a higher clip ending it in the college football than you can. The NFL and he's got our justice game to reflect that. Yeah. And I'm looking at the nugget again. You know what? When I was reading this Nevada, you know what got me excited? It's tax season. And by now, I know we're all a bit tired of numbers.

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13:39It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do. I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm. That's pretty awesome. I think I saw billboard of yours recently that said that 20 billion won. 20 billion is an insane number. Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think, somewhere north probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and better and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on. Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident? Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's pound 529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 24 7 365. Wow, Dan Morgan. From Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show. Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you. Access to affordable credit helps me pay my employees that I don't really need it. Infliction is killing me. Who cares? Big retailers and making record profits.

14:45That's why we support the Durban Marshall credit card bill. See, things in credit unions help small businesses make payroll. This bill would cut the vital resources they need while increasing Megastore profits. They deserve it. Don't they? Tell Congress stop the Durban Marshall money grab for corporate megastores paid for by the Electronic Payments Coalition. Just visualizing as I was reading it was on the point number three. Talking about Andrew Euston James Smith and John Walker in the live before that mentions Kenyatta Jackson. I don't think people understand. First of all, Andrew Euston is really good. I think Andrew Euston is going to have this is just my opinion. Remember Tyleek Williams? We heard about him having flashes, but he wasn't quite full-go because he couldn't his conditioning wasn't right. His mindset wasn't right early coming in to be able to really be consistent with his conditioning. Hence why he couldn't really be as consistent on the

15:47field. But we had heard he was flashing. Andrew Euston, I think he's a great kid, has some rough spots going here and there coming in. I think he's about to break out and have his Tyleek break out here. This dude is a dog. Consistency is what we're going to see this year. But James Smith and John Walker, both of them are very good. Imagine them on the line together with Kenyatta. I'm just imagining that line up in the front four. To me, I think that's pretty lethal, man. Are you as excited? That's not all we have, but that combination to me, I think, could be really brutal, especially with what Matt Patricia does, because as you see in the nugget, they're very versatile. Look at their tape. They can all do a lot of different things. So Nevada, what's your thoughts on that? Well, I think we're probably not as excited about Kenyatta Jackson as we should be. You know what I'm saying? I think that the him coming back was a really big deal. That was a

16:48really big deal because he was a good player last year, but he kind of like Caden Curry was a good player in 2024. But then he became a great player in 2025. I really think Kenyatta Jackson is going to take us as a similar trajectory and can make a similar impact. And you know, I think to have two, because I look at that as like having two starters back, because anyway, they look at it. Evacuse him is a starting capability. You know what I'm saying? He's a starter. And when you get that and Kenyatta now, it's like you've got two year four guys back. And I think you've got potential to have a really good defensive line. And yeah, no, I'm excited about Kenyatta Jackson. And I'm just a John Walker. John Walker's the guy that wanted to come to Ohio State in the beginning had some issues with homesickness or whatever it was that couldn't make the thing work. But you know, he really, I mean, he's a load. He's a big two. Everybody in talk to is like, that's a big man down there down there thing. And you know, Ohio State doesn't, you know, other teams have got good defensive linemen as well. And he's certainly one of those

17:51guys that looks the part and certainly I expect them to have a nice impact on Ohio State in 2026. And let me go over the, the death chart for the defensive line, just to kind of give people a visual of what we're working with. So you got Kenyatta Jackson starter, both, both Atkinson and Cory Wilder. Now listen, let's go back to both Atkinson real quick. So both Atkinson did not make the impact that we were hoping he would make last year. We saw him flash at times. It was times where he did make plays like, okay, that was a good play. But it wasn't like, oh, he's an impact clear. He was really good at North Carolina. And we know that the transition from North Carolina with his physicality, his strength, I should say, had, you know, needed to increase. So we got a whole season and a whole off season for both Atkinson to really step up. Because I think Nevada, and I'll park right here before I keep going, I want to keep going through the death chart. But how much of thoughts? I have not given up on both Atkinson. I think he still has a chance to be

18:56a very good contributor in this, in this too deep. What do you think about both? I completely agree. I completely agree. I mean, he just needed to get stronger. You know what, he's bigger and stronger this year than he was last year. And, you know, he's always been bendy. He's always had a nice first off the line. Great kid. Ohio State believes in him. You know, we've talked about this before. If they didn't, they would have run him off. He's around for a reason. And again, if you look at what he's, you know, again, I hate to keep going back and getting curry. But it's a very recent example of a guy that had been okay. And then went from okay to, wow, really, really freaking good. I mean, Boakinson certainly has had more success at the Cod's level than Kate and Curry did come in the last year. So, you know, why, why not? Why couldn't he make a jump? Why couldn't he be an impact player? He's a guy that, you know, certainly could, you know, it could be a favorable surprise for the black guys this year. Definitely. So yeah, we agree on that real quick. Chosen. What's up, homie? This is a young lady.

20:00I went to church with years ago, like old school. I know I just randomly just brought that out, but it's great to see you. Just wanted to shout you out real quick. All right. Let's get back to this depth chart. So the other names here, because again, when you think about Nevada, people kind of forget guys. If they don't see them, they forget them. All right. Now, I mentioned Curry Wilder. That's an incoming freshman that everyone's raving about already turned in heads. I think he's going to work his way into the lineup on third down and rush the passer. I think that he's going to earn plan time. But on the flip side, you got Zion Grady. Zion Grady made plays last year. He flashed and looked good as a true freshman. And so, and I know Larry Johnson loves him. And so I'm excited about Zion Grady. And then you got Kwei. I always want to call him Kwaa, because it's spelled Q.U.A. Quile Resah. Actually, Quile Resah flows better than Kwei Resah, but it's not my name.

21:02So let me stop. But anyway, another kid from Alabama, who has some talent, who's watch film. I think James Smith is probably the higher the, the, how can I put it? The shore bet, the more shore of a bet to make an impact, but Kwei has talent. And then you got Epi, Epi K. Great kid. I had the pleasure of helping Devon interview him last year. Just great kid, great family, and talent it. And so he actually has a, I mean, if you, if you look at him quickly, he kind of looks like J.T. Tui Malo out there with the hair out the helmet and even the size and everything. But, but yeah, that's for the defensive ends. I wanted to, to call them out. What do you think about that depth right there at defensive end, Nevada? Yeah, well, I think it's, you know, you know, it's, it's some of it's young, some of it's untested, some of it's new, you know, what we got, but it's, it's a lot of guys. And I think we're going to find out a lot in spring ball. And I see, I, I'm, I'm of the opinion that if we utilize these guys correctly, like,

22:08everybody doesn't need to be Will Smith or everybody doesn't need to be Chase Young or the Bose. I think if you use guys, you know, correctly, I mean, heck, I feel like CJ Hicks could have been of great impact on us that had these hung around. You know, our, our, our release, I thought it was underutilized. And potentially, you know, potentially, you're potentially great past rush or die of state. So I think you can get guys and you can get, you know, past rush in a lot of different ways. There's probably some other linebackers that we haven't even talked about that could slide down that defensive end position and, and, and provide, you know, you know, Riley Pettit, you can stand Riley Pettit John on the outside. And I don't, I don't doubt that he could do good things. So I think there's a lot of different ways that you can do it. I think there's a lot of good things that you can do with the defensive end position. But the last few recruiting classes that Larry Johnson have been in have been top notch. These, these, we've gotten you know, and, and, and lots of them. So it's been, it's not only been quality, it's been quantity as well. And I just have no doubt that they're going to, they're going to step

23:08up. There's a wide open opportunity for some guys to step up in spring ball. And I think we'll, we'll see it in spring. I think I think these guys will make it in the meeting the impact. And, and, and it'll, it'll be noticeable. Yep. And then of course, the nugget also talks about rolling linebackers up to the edge to bring pressure. And so I love that because guys like Pettit John are big and fast. And then Alfred, don't sleep on Alfred. Like to me, Alfred reminds me of Jerome Baker. This as far as his speed, his size, the way he moves, it reminds me of Jerome Baker. And so we got some talent. And I'm not even mentioning the Wisconsin Aliegro who's a really good seasoned linebacker. I mean, like he's a proven good linebacker in the big 10 from Wisconsin. And then of course, Peyton Pierce. And you know, we got guys, they just need to step up and produce. But let me get to these DNs. And so I'm sorry, the detacles. So I mentioned James

24:10Smith, Ezra Houston, Jason Moore. We've been talking about him. And the fact that the, that he's still here is proof that they still believe in him. And then of course, John Walker mentioned him. Will Smith Jr. just mentioned in a manual roughen who Devon brought up the other day. And I was like, Oh, yeah, I kind of forgot about him. Kid out of Alabama. Is it Alabama? Yeah, he's for Alabama. Like a big boy. I mean, I think we got some good young talent and some good experience talent. I think this D line can be really good. Because again, Will Smith Jr. made some plays last year when he had opportunities. So we got guys that are either going to really show why they should be at first from pick like Ken Yada Jackson, Andrew Houston, even James Smith. And they'll be got some guys who are looking to make a move to say, Hey, I belong in this too deep or you need to put me in critical moments on third down to get to the quarterback because I'm

25:12that impactful type kids. And so very curious. I wanted, I just wanted to go through the defensive line because that nugget got me excited about the combinations of these kids that we're bringing in from the portal and that what we got coming back and Ken Yada Jackson, Nevada. I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan. Hey, how's it going today? It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do. I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm. That's pretty awesome. I think I saw Billboard years recently that said that 20 billion won. 20 billion is an insane number. Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually I think somewhere north probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and better and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on. Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident? Probably the easiest way is dialing pound

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27:15See? Banks and credit unions help small businesses make payroll. This bill would cut the vital resources they need. While increasing Megastore profits. They deserve it. Don't they? Tell Congress stop the Durban Marshall money grab for corporate megastores paid for by the Electronic Payments Coalition. Oh yeah and then there's just look there's a lot of what you need to create pressure and modern football in 2026 is you need to describe your scheme and you need athleticism and that's the one thing if we've learned anything from the combine from everything else has been going on on our house side is that we have athleticism to burn and that's why a kid like Tarvis Alford you know I mean he's gonna have a chance you know because he's so athletic so he's so fast he's so explosive that you know I think that in the in the right scheme with Patricia doing the right types of things um you know I think we can we can do it I I don't think you you don't just need to have the great past pressure moves now we're blessed because you've got a guy like Carter Wilder who's got the great past pressure moves who's got you know I mean he

28:18could be elite simply on his own but you surround him with good scheme on top of that yeah I mean I think you know for I can tell you that Patricia is telling people he does not believe there's going to be a big fall off of this defense in 2026 and you know I remember last year I would have I would have bet anything it's only said hey is the defense going to be statistically better than 2024 or I would have said not a chance in heck you heard him say and so I would have bet against that heavily and I would I would have lost you know because they actually improved they improve by every metric in 2025 or 2024 now I'm not saying they're going to improve again over 9.3 points again or whatever the heck it was but he doesn't believe that the falloff needs to be precipitous he really likes the untaught he's excited about the guys in the room and he's really excited about the scheme that they're going to be presenting so that that that makes me very excited me too Mark Swick posting your comment anyone else besides me and Dev excited to see the kicker know I'm excited

29:21Nevada I want to see in the spring game you know how we stop okay stop now kick it again or whatever I want to see him go out there just effortlessly nail 50-yard field goals like with with 10 yards of spare you know I'm saying just one of those like just confidence like man we got us one that's what I want to see because we just haven't been confident in our kicking game it seems like for years Nevada yeah no I mean what I can say this year is we probably have more competition at the kicker spot we've got more viable options for both place kickers and for punters than we've ever had in Ohio State you know typically you have like the one guy maybe a young guy behind him but we've got three capable kickers and obviously the beta guy is you know he's got the swagger he seems to have the inside track is kicking something you can do year-round you can kind of tell who's got the live leg and things like that but yeah I mean we'll we'll see

30:21but you know I like the fact that there's an increased emphasis on special teams at Ohio State but you know by virtue of the fact that they've actually hired a special team's coach they've gone out and you know in the portals some of our big sack you know first acquisitions or special teams players down to long snappers and things you know I'm saying so we're really going after special teams you know in earnest and we'll see if it pays off I've always maintained that not paying attention to special teams results in your special teams not being special and I think now we're putting the emphasis in we've got the coaches there we've got the emphasis on it now let's see if we can notice the difference I think we will but but a jet to be seen yeah and once again the natural it seems almost impossible to be better through you straight like I'm highlighting this comment because Nevada is so true like to me it would have been perfectly logical and reasonable to say because I know what I said I said we're still going to be good we're not going to be as good

31:24but we're still going to be good and statistically we were better or just as good so with this year again with Matt Patricia the rocket scientist and the talent we have and what we brought in it's just it's hard for me to bet against this defense still not being in the same spot but we'll see but I'm regardless this defense will be it will be very good I have no doubt Nevada well I mean when you look at the trajectory from where we were in 2022 you know defensively you know 2023 2024 2025 yeah I'm leaving strong some unbelievable seasons together you know in today's football with the transfer poor one guys leaving and guys that you know that two different coordinators I mean we've had a lot of you know different changes but we've we've maintained excellence on the defensive side of the ball and yeah I just I don't see a way we can improve

32:26on what we did last year but I'll say I didn't see a way we can improve a lot now I'm not again I don't want to get caught Nevada said we're going to be better and defense for that I'm not saying that but I don't think we're going to be bad I don't think we're going to we got some we got some dudes I don't think we're going to be bad now we'll we'll we'll see I know we've got a lot of talented guys to a you know a lot of high NFL draft picks to replace but a lot of young talent a lot of guys in the portals I mean let's put it we're over on defense this year when we were last year you know we're gonna we're gonna be a more veteran team now will that you know equate to good play yeah we'll find out I mean I would say even if we're top 10 even if to me even if we're top 10 I still think that's a phenomenal losing all the guys who've lost back to back years and we're still a top 10 defense like to me that's like yo that's excellent do you feel like that's too low of a bar or is that fair no I think it's the right bar I think top 10's the right thing I

33:27think you know what I thought last year frankly if we stayed top 20 it would have been good you know I mean but I think this year top 10 with just the just with the sheer number of kids we got in the portal and you know we need to get you know we're going to need to get lucky on some of those portal kids to get better than that and we're going to need to get unlucky on some of those portal kids to be worse than that so I think that's going to be the test is going to be our how are are these kids are some of these kids are they back from injury are they they've been you know how's the level of competition how how can they do but it's it's certainly going to be fun to watch because we're we are we're an old team we're veteran team and I love having in college football I love having an older team definitely and we've seen that over the years even last year obviously and then of course you know with us I mean it's it matters it matters um so I wanted to ask you something before we get to these superchats because I was thinking about this and the NFL combine you know the people gushing over sunny styles they kept saying and he was a green dot and he was a

34:30green dot my question is who is going to be the green dot on defense this year and I was going back and forth about it um because you got and I know larynitis once he cross trains all his line backers I mean there can be a guy that you think might not be a mic but he's he's he's a mic because of how he's handling the position so obviously Peyton Pierce has been making noise in the all season we got that recent nugget and then sunny styles confirmed it by shouting Peyton Pierce out but also don't sleep on all the Edgar from Wisconsin as a guy that can come in as a leader petty john of course who do you think is the leader in the clubhouse for the green dot Nevada I I think Peyton Pierce has got to be the leader in the clubhouse you know I think he's a guy you know I'd love to come up with another name as somebody you like wow I never heard that but I think Peyton Pierce really if that's the guy they let's put this that's the guy they want it to be it's his job to lose they want him to be the guy and there was a reason they were putting him out

35:33that are you know so much last year um but you know and I think for a guy like Ali Edgar it's you've got to learn the whole defense you know I'm saying and that's it's a little tougher for a guy coming in than I got like Peyton Pierce who's you know been there and you know you know been around but if anybody could do it Christian I like your smart kid really really smart kid can do it but I'd I would I would handy cap it at probably Peyton Pierce as the at the pole position I put Riley Petagion right behind that I put Christian a leg right behind that so that that's my that's my three-man board yeah that makes sense learning the defense that's very important because I do think I like Ali Egro I think I'm saying I write has the leadership and experience coming from Wisconsin but that's coming from Wisconsin Peyton Pierce has been here knows the system definitely I can see him stepping into that role and so I think that's a great pick for sure um but yeah let's uh let's get on these superchats uh stilly mats thanks for the one and I RIP Lou Holtz

36:36Buckeye Nation Morns yep yep um I've said a lot already but I'll reiterate you know I rock with Lou Holtz man I rock with Lou Holtz he was funny he was brilliant um he was a great coach and he was a Buckeye um despite you know his little late years you know trolling he was a Buckeye y'all and he rocked with us especially with that uh that clown Mark May Nevada yeah now he used to yeah you're you're exactly ready I mean he used to chill for Ohio State all the time against Mark Bay because that was their stick Mark Bay was the anti-higher state guy he was so just I I always was amused when he would go off on this toughness thing and Ryan Day because I knew it was a stick I agreed he was he was a master troll he was a troll before trolling was a thing and you go back and read some of his stuff from the 70s I mean he was just he was a brilliant guy and um yeah you know

37:37I I'm sad that he's gone I know he's older I know not unexpected but yeah um he reminds me of a time back there when football I there was just you know everything in my life was college football and Lou Holtz was about as good as it gets when it comes to coach and yeah he's I mean again he's been around my entire college life Nevada like memories from a little kid Lou Holtz was always there yeah I mean just think about I mean I'm thinking about the the Notre Dame gang with Regis Filman the classic Terry Glenn touchdown as he's getting interviewed I mean you see Lou Holtz pacing and looking sad or or just whatever like I just memories of college football start with Lou Holtz all the way through well well there was a famous game and I I think I hope I'm not miss for remembering this because I have any time to go to the Google machine and refresh my memory but I pretty sure he was coaching Arkansas and they were playing like Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl

38:37and there was a disciplinary issue and he'd like suspended like his three top players for the game and everybody's like oh they're they're done they're toast you know what I'm saying and then they went up and upset them in the Orange Bowl and I have to see if I I may be completely butch for in this but I that's what I remember and thinking wow that was that I just remember being like he was a great coach I'm using the national championship winning coach and that you know it's there's not a lot of guys that can do that and and he and he did it so I basically got my eternal yep absolutely all right still he met once again thanks for the 199 shout out be Moses for hookin up Patrick Green first of all once again Patrick our condolences Patrick lost his mother and so he's doing something great what which I thought I didn't get a chance to tell you Patrick when we were talking you know he's passing out buck eyes in the funeral looks like we lost

39:39in about it we'll get him back in a second and I thought that was great I thought that was a great idea and so he what Stilly Matt's talking about as he reached out to me to see if I could get him some buck eyes and listen remember weeks ago actually months ago I went to Brian Fogel's crib y'all all know Brian Fogel okay Brian Fogel was a great buck eye great dude he's the one that you see all over the internet and all over the facility he makes the little you know like I don't want to say figurines but he makes all the players and coaches like their own figurine of themselves like he does a great job he makes buck eye necklaces and he's just a great dude and he allowed me in my son to tour his crib because it's a bit it's basically in a how state shrine one of the most remarkable things I've ever seen as far as all the memorabilia he has and I remember he showed me this big bag of buck eyes he had and so when Patrick asked about that I thought about that and I was like

40:40yo let me hit up Brian so really shout out to Brian Fogel for coming through with the hookup on the buck eyes for real I was just the guy to hit him up you feel me so it just wanted to kind of tell the backstory about that but either way God bless you Patrick and your family prayers and condolences for you this weekend as you look to say goodbye to your mother Nevada you got anything yeah God bless man prayers for you and always tough but but prayers just don't worry we're all around and we're all here for you yeah definitely absolutely man buck eye scoop is a family so you know it's the least that we can do you know to look out for each other so real quick we're about to hop off here we know the buck eye basketball team is playing right now I got my my jersey got my my B Moses jersey you know I'm saying and I don't even know let me see what the score is Nevada because I told Nevada before it's 12 to 9 Ohio State with 1226 11 to 1st half I was telling Nevada

41:46they stormed the court they had an emotional win against number 8 Purdue which really put them in a projected tournament and I'm just hoping they didn't go on the road and just get too comfortable and not play well close game right now so hopefully they can pull it out and and get this win Penn State B Iowa Penn State is a scrappy team that will play you close and they're at home so I notice is not an easy game although the record is not great so I'm hoping they they pull it out Nevada and then finish strong I might take my son to the Indiana game at the shot Saturday we'll see last home game Bruce Thornton's senior day all that but just want them to finish man get in this tournament you're right there handle business Nevada any last words yeah no they got they got a win tonight we'll we'll all be watching the rudiment and I just want to shout out me for having a great memory it was the 78 Orange Bowl Arkansas suspended Ben Cowan's Donnie

42:48Bobo and Michael Forrest are big three star they were 24 point underdogs to Oklahoma and they won 31 to 6 wow yeah 24 point dogs are win 20 31 to 6 I mean that's just that's stayed with that always was like man that's the heck of a coaching job though by by the blue hole so yeah people remember that the kind of the clowny guy and everything I remember that the great coach of the car level we could get his guys to to rise up hopefully like the black eyes rise up tonight and win and when in basketball yep that is the hope man handle business do it for Bruce do it for Bruce but yeah listen listen always a pleasure always a pleasure to come before you guys and and do what we love talk about our buck eyes and you know so I don't take it for granted but listen until next time we will see y'all then oh dev is going at 8.30 pm he's doing a show at 8.30 pm

43:50make sure you check him out which isn't about 40 minutes so time to chill get a sandwich relax whatever and then meet him at 8.30 all right until then we will see y'all next time go bucks and beat Penn State peace you you you it's tax season and by now we're all a bit tired of numbers but here's an important one you need to hear 16 billion dollars that's how much money and refunds the IRS flank for possible

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