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2:08Not me, not you. Maybe somebody can, but not us. I'm Todd Merritt. And I'm Sarah Lane. Let's start with what you need to know with the big story. Amazon announced a new lineup of Kindles on Thursday and they're the same prices, the old models. Why? Because Amazon raised the price on the old models in August. Sneaky. So they're actually more expensive than the old models used to be, but they didn't raise them again. Small miracle there. They're all thinner. They're all lighter than previous models and there's some other improvements. There are basically three Kindle models now. There used to be so many. It's, they've simplified the line. The six inch entry-level Kindle has a flush edge to edge screen. No raised border. So now it's just like the other two models. All the models have that flush edge to edge screen. They give six weeks of battery life for the six inch. They said that now that it doesn't have that border, it should be easy to put in a pocket. The entry level starts at $150.

3:09In purple or gray, I'm translating Ube on graphite for people who don't really caught in all those. Although I love Ube, aluminum cases started $190 for the six inch and those are available in blue and green or like mountain sky mountain and sea glass. Yeah. Anyway, blue and green. Then we have the seven inch Kindle paper white, which adds water resistance a 12 week battery life. The ability to adjust the color temp so you can make it a little warmer maybe at night. The paper white is $200 in gray or $250 for the signature version. Signature version gives you double the storage, 32 gigabits I think. Adds the ability to double tap to turn pages, adds an auto adjusting front light and the ability to do wireless charging. That one comes in gray and green if you want to pay a little extra for the signature version. And then finally, is the color one. The seven inch Kindle color soft that uses a new display tech that has a

4:11light guide with night tried LEDs to make it look more paper like the color soft is $290 in gray or $320 for the signature version, which has all the same features as the signature version of the paper white. But you can get this one in gray or red. Although I think the red is like burgundy maybe, which is, you know, more. It's sort of an aggressive color, but it might make sense to you. Yeah, you could spill your wine on it. No one will know. All the models come in kid versions as well. Those have different colored covers and add a year subscription to kids plus Amazon also introduced a few new accessories for 60 bucks. You can get a charging dock that acts as a stand for 80 bucks. You get the page turn cover, which is a case for those signature additions. It because it snaps to them with a magnet doesn't work on the other ones. Have to get the signature addition for that. But then it adds page turn buttons in the case. Or you can pay $35 for the click, which is a remote that does page turns something that

5:13Kobo has pioneered for its models. Now it also sounds like something that you lose. Oh, absolutely. It's going to be something people lose. Everything is available for pre-order now shipping October 28th. Should you have the funds, Sarah Lane? Would you be willing to plop down for any of these kindles? I'm not sure. So I'm still rocking the Kindle Oasis, which is discontinued. But I got it in 20,000. But don't look back in anger. Kind of. I won't. No. Well, I mean, it doesn't matter. But what is what I like about it is it's teeny tiny. Yeah. It's not there's no there's no color involved. And it does last on a charge for quite a long time. It depends on how much you use these things. That's that's kind of what I always go back to when people say like, oh, should I get the new Kindle like the color one? It's like, well, think about reading a novel.

6:16Is there a lot of color involved? Maybe on the cover there is. Yeah. You know, and maybe if there's, I don't know, we're doing like a graphic novel. Yeah. Yeah. It would be a little bit different. But in many cases, that doesn't matter so much. So I always tell people like, just think about the kind of stuff you want to see and read at the same time. And if you want to do that, then then go for for the color, color soft, because I think it's really cool. I don't particularly need it. Yeah. I get the sense that Amazon is really pitching these at new users anyway. I don't think they expect older users. I know, you know, planned obsolescence and all that stuff is a thing. But they they were out there saying like 60% of the people who buy Kindles are buying the Kindle for the first time. So they still see a market for new Kindle users or people who may be using the Kindle on their phone. Finally, to be like, you know what, I want a separate device that doesn't

7:16interrupt me. It was one of the things one of their execs said in an interview was we thought about putting out one of those little attachable e-ing screens that can like attach to your phone that have become popular. But they were like, but then you lose the advantage of having it like because you're you're still distracted by your phone because it's right there. And I think more and more people are buying these because they want to have something that feels like a book in their hands but doesn't distract them with anything else. Not going to give them a notification. And it's not even going to tempt you to want to check an app because you can't because you're on the you're on the you're reading a book. Yeah. Yeah. Or a magazine or, you know, or graphic novel. Yeah. I mean, the only the real issue I have with the Kindle ecosystem. And I really don't have a lot of issues because they it works quite well. But I also used my remarkable too, which was a live with it episode many moons ago. Although Jen Cutter and I revisited it earlier this year, I believe.

8:20But that is actually the better device to incorporate your public library. And a variety of books that are free, you know, that you don't own. You're not buying them. But you are, you know, it's it's as if you go into a library and say I want these two books and then you get them for a little bit. You read them and then you say, okay, bye. So that's also why sometimes the Kindle Internal Storage. I'm like, well, everybody's different, right? For me, read a book, get rid of it. So the internal storage doesn't really matter to me that much. But, but, you know, a lot of people like to, you know, have their things. It's as if having a book on a shelf. Yeah. And I think there is a way to separate buying this from buying things from the Amazon store because I know a lot of people don't want to support Amazon or just don't have the money to buy from the Amazon store. And I think you can use the Kindle with things that are available through your public library,

9:26right? You can use it with those apps. So you could buy it and just use it for that. Like you said, I don't think Internal Storage really matters to most people because they can just keep these things in the cloud if they're buying them or they're going to have to return them to the library anyways, right? Yeah, like just read down load later. Yeah, exactly. In which case, you might want to just look for a cobo or a books or something like that as well. But I will give Amazon credit that this is a very easy to understand product line now. You got a base model. You got one that looks a little nicer and is a slightly bit bigger screen. And then you got a color one. Boom, boom, boom. There you go. Wow. Everybody wants those remotes. They want to be able to put it on a stand and then lean back. That's a book talk thing. I don't know how many people actually do it in practice, but it makes a cool video. So you see a lot of people doing it. Well, if you have thoughts on that feedback at dailytechnewshow.com for sure. Speaking of giving us feedback, DTS is made possible by all of you listening who give us feedback every day. Today we're thanking Tid Guby, Philip Less, Howard Uremish,

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14:44finance, legal tasks, and also cybersecurity. And Google says it beats GPT-6 Astra on at least some benchmarks. It's participating in the US government's voluntary pre-release process, so that's part of this. And pain subscribers are set to get access after more testing. Google's Google DeepMinds Tulsi Dochi described strong internal results. Bloomberg did note that some employees had some skepticism, although Google PR has disputed that as an issue. Yeah, this was trained for defensive security work. So the fact that some employees find that it's disappointing on front-end design probably doesn't really shock me. But I guess what Google's out there saying is like, our team has been using this constantly, and some of the team is like, yeah, it doesn't, it's not great on everything. It's uneven is what the Bloomberg article was saying. But this really is Google trying to say this is about security. This can autonomously

15:46find validate and patch critical software vulnerabilities, and we've been using it for that. That's why we had to go through the early release program because it could be used, much maliciously, so we want to test our safeguards. And that's what Google needs to say. That's the hotness these days is being a little bit scary and very good at security. And they skipped 3.5 pro. I don't know if anybody noticed that, but everybody was wondering when 3.5 pro was going to come out. It was supposed to come out in June. Instead, we're getting Gemini 4 R-GUN. So I guess 3.5 pro just isn't coming out. Yeah, I mean naming conventions aside, I think the big, the big, the big sort of buzzy headline is like, oh no, open AI or anthropic or Google, their agents infiltrated closed systems again. And they weren't supposed to. And goodness.

16:46And there's a new story out today that the open AI agents were covering their tracks, so it was harder to tell that they had been accessing web resources. Right. And that's where we get these articles of people saying, you know, we can't handle them anymore. They've gone rogue. They're going to kill us all. And I think it's very important for companies who have the money and the mind, the human minds who are working with these companies to really say like, okay, what are we doing here? Who do we work with? How do we do this more responsibly? And that is definitely a question that is not answerable today. But I think the more we know, the better we are. Yeah, the other thing that interests me about this story is the fact that they did skip 3.5 pro. I mean, they didn't just rename it for ARGUN. They have 3.5 pro and they're not releasing it. It never got up to the set standards they wanted. And some people in that

17:51Bloomberg article were confusing Google of bench maxing. It's like looks maxing, but for benchmarks, where they're like, they're just focused on the benchmarks and not focused on the model's practical use. Right. It's like, it's so powerful, but is it helpful in the right way? And so we're going to back to what you were saying just now is like, they're focused on the security stuff. So it probably is very good at that. But they never got it to the point where it's evenly good on coding. And they never got 3.5 pro to the point that they wanted to release it at least not yet. So I may again, it's a it's a perfectly legitimate strategy to leapfrog when you're like, you know, at 3.5 pro is already too behind cut your losses. Let's go straight to four and release that one because it's good at security and that's hot stuff these days. But it is this is this is getting a lot of mixed reviews. I'm seeing some people very positive like, ooh, Gemini came out. It's really good on the benchmarks. This is putting Google back in the race, which in a lot of ways it is.

18:51But I'm also seeing a lot of people skeptically looking at it like, yeah, but they're not in front. They should be jumping in front. When when Gemini 3 came out, they they went to the head of the class and that doesn't seem like what's going to happen. Well, and it wasn't that long ago that everyone was like Google totally fumbled right before that. Gemini is so far behind everyone else. You know, this stuff changes really quickly. Yeah. Counterpoint research says the new iPhone 18 pro recorded 12% year over year growth in the first three days of sales in China. So looking at the first three days of sales of the iPhone pro last year versus this year, up 12% in China. A very important market for Apple. Counterpoint gives three reasons for the success of iPhone 18 pro in China. One, because there's only the pro model. So more people are going to buy it because they're like, well, I don't have the choice of getting the base model and I don't want to wait till the spring when the base model comes out. Number two, the prices of all the phones are rising, meaning that the iPhone doesn't look as expensive comparatively as it used to. If you need a new phone, you may be like, well, I might as well just

19:55get an iPhone because I'm going to pay just as much for a Samsung or a Huawei or something like that. And number three, aggressive channel support is how counterpoint put it, which means Apple spent boatloads on ads and promotions in China. I imagine that probably moves the needle more than anything else, but also that that nationalistic sentiment that had swung towards Huawei, I think has cooled a bit. And so people aren't taking it out on Apple in China as much as they used to. This puts iPhone at 33% of the Chinese smartphone market. The rest of the market is dominated by Huawei, which launched its Mate 90 series on Thursday, built with Huawei designed Kirin chips and running Huawei's own Harmony OS 7. Huawei is an amazing comeback story. They went from almost nothing having to divest themselves of Harmony of the, yeah, of the Harmony brand. No, the honor brand, sorry, I was looking at the Harmony operating system. They divested themselves with the honor brand and went from zero back up to 77% in China. They're still trying to make back their international

20:58market and they say they've got plans to do that with the Mate 90, not in North America, but elsewhere. But I think it's interesting to see that Apple is roaring back right when John Ternus needs it to, because this has been something that's been dogging Tim Cook for a while. So this, you know, the iPhone being popular in China story is interesting to me because, like you said, it's not so much that it's like, well, if you're really rich, then that's the phone that you get. You know, it's still an expensive phone, but you have the competitors, Chinese competitors who are not far behind. So then it becomes a matter of, all right, well, what's my style? And that, you know, if you kind of take financial stuff out of it is, you know, what's my style, what do I want it to be? And if Apple has been aggressively advertising for this exact market,

22:02then I think Apple's done quite well. They're, you know, they're not the predominant smartphone seller in the Chinese market, but, you know, 30% is pretty good. Yeah. And something that people were worried they were going to continually lose in the Chinese market and granted, if you're not in China, you may not care what the Chinese market does, but it's one of those knock-on effects that are good to know about because if Apple is not doing well in China, that's fewer resources it has to put in the products that it's making for you in whatever market you're in, right? So, but if they're doing well in China, then they are likely to be able to continue to develop and put out products and be a little more experimental, a little more adventurous, and do things like the duo. So, it's something that, yeah, like I said, John Ternus needed this wind at his back. So, I don't think this is like, oh, it's all over for Huawei or anything like that, but it's like, ah, this is exactly what Apple wanted to see. At least a 12% increase in over

23:05years. Yes. The trade wins in your favor. Yes, indeed. Well, HP introduced its Mac Neo competitor, Macbook Neo competitor, the Omni Book 5. It has a 2.5K OLED touchscreen display, and a 180-degree hinge runs on Intel Wildcat processors, comes with two USB ports, and the battery can go up to 42 hours on a charge. So, it's the company, but that's, yeah, it's pretty impressive. It's 11.77 millimeters thick and weighs a bit more than 2.5 pounds. The HP Omni Book starts at $699 with 8 gigs of RAM and 256 gigs hard drive coming later this month. Yeah. So, starting at 700 bucks, same as the MacBook Neo, but has an OLED screen. That's a big differentiator there, and a touchscreen on top of it. I think otherwise these are fairly comparable. You've got a little brighter screen with the MacBook Neo, but otherwise, yeah, and it's 13 inches,

24:09not 14 inches on the display. I wish I had Rob Dunwood here with us to talk about the Neo. I think the Neo also has two USB-C ports. Yes, it does have two USB-C. Yes, so they're basically the same. Although, the Omni Book also has an HDMI port, apparently, and the MacBook Neo does not. So, yeah, it comes down to that OLED screen as being the big differentiator, but if you are someone who doesn't want Mac OS, but wants the MacBook Neo, Omni Book 5 is a good choice to look at, because it's basically the same price and a little nicer screen. Indeed. Well, if you want product reviews after that initial honeymoon that you had with your gadget, then your favorite show is about to be Live With It. Each week, Roger and I talk about the tech in our lives from home appliances to audio solutions, gaming controllers. We have lots of guests.

25:09In fact, this week, Amos is back to explain his very thorough 7-camera home system. Is it daunting? Yeah. Is it awesome? Absolutely. We're on YouTube at youtube.com slash at Live With It Show and big thanks to everybody who keeps us trying out new things. Become a patron if you're so inclined. Patreon.com slash Live With It. With the Spark Cash Plus Card from Capital One, you earn unlimited 2% cashback on every purchase, and you get big purchasing power, so your business can spend more and earn more. Steven, Brandon, and Bruno, the business owners of Sand Cloud, reinvested their 2% cashback to help build the company's retail presence. Capital One, what's in your wallet? Find out more at capitalone.com slash Spark Cash Plus, Term Supply. Meet Amazon Ads Rising Star, Darryl Spencer, who set out to redefine men's self-care with his brand Crown Skin. Amazon Ads helped him grow. I walked away from Big Tech to build a luxury brand,

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27:23models that people have been talking about lately. I mentioned this is a buzz word you're going to need to know. Open AI also released a Decisions API this week that is also like Jeff. These kinds of models work like other large language models, but the output is limited to calibrated choices instead of generating text. So they don't have to generate an answer to you. You just say choose between these things and it takes your prompt, makes a decision and says, send it here. For example, sorting customer support tickets by team and severity. Another big advantage of this is your output can then just be processed by software directly because you can just have it put out a code that software readable. Our technical reports on three different efforts to get PS5 games to run on PC. We talked about Kite PS5. I hope I'm saying that right back on Monday. And there's also sharp emule and any PS5. There's never been a better time to try running games where they're not meant to be placed. Don't tell anyone with reports that the iPhone duo will have limited initial availability.

28:29Apple's letting folks know they can set up their order in the Apple store app starting October 12th. So that all you have to do is tap purchase on Friday, October 16th at 8 a.m. Eastern. So nice of Apple to try to make it easier for them to take your money. Thanks. Also, I mean, come on. There's going to be some sort of weird chrome thing where I'm like, I had it all set up. Don't use chrome. Don't use chrome. Use the Apple store app like Apple tells you to and you still may not get it. Well, we'll see. The Norrible One headphones use an EEG feature to track your focus and note when you're at your most productive and when you need to take a break, they can also track brain age and mental processing and also play sounds because they are headphones after all. They have active noise cancellation and a 22 hour battery life. Norrible One is available now for $499. Speaking of scanning your brain, scientists at the Weitzmann Institute of Science in Israel

29:33have created a model that can construct a fairly close representation of an image a person was looking at while having their brain scanned by a functional magnetic resonance imaging machine an FMRI. The final model was trained by using two models. A decoder was trained to predict what an image would look like based on the brain scan and then an encoder was trained to predict what a brain scan would look like based on an image. Now, it generates something that looks like it's AI generated, but when you compare it to the thing the person was actually looking at, it's not far off. Thank goodness they can't do this in real time, but still. This could be really useful for accessibility and brain research and other kinds of things that need the ability to tell what is happening in someone's brain. According in Tokyo, ruled on Wednesday that a TikTok user had infringed voice actor, Kenjiro Suda's publicity rights by cloning his voice

30:33and then using it in videos without his permission. This is not the last case. This sort of thing, but there you go. Notable that that one happened. Greg N noted on our subreddit, Bruce Schneier posted about a northeastern university and consumer report study about what data cars collect on you and what they do with it. So if you're interested, you might want to check this out. The consent forms that you agree to when you first start a new car, allow a lot of things that you may not realize they're allowing. The collection of driving data can include how fast you go, how far you drive your fuel economy, your driving behaviors, how you use the infotainment system, and that can all be shared with third parties like lenders, aftermarket product sellers, insurers, and government agencies through telematics data exchanges. Now, don't get too crazy about this because it's not like they can just go look up Sarah Lane and be like, how does she drive? These are usually aggregated, but are they properly de-anonymized? Is it, it may not be impossible

31:39to go reverse engineer how to figure out how I drive, although my cars are so old, they didn't have any. For anybody who's sort of like, but what does it matter? Well, insurance premiums, that that that kind of data can affect your life in ways that you don't realize now. Yeah, and insurance companies, I think, have a legitimate reason to look at this because they want to know like, how are people driving in general? That way we can... Like if I'm actually a really bad driver. Yeah, well, not about you in particular. Like, how are people driving in general? Collective me. Yeah, yeah. And once we know what the driving patterns are, we can give lower rates to the people who tend to drive more safely and higher rates to others. That's how insurance works, right? It's when it's the idea that you didn't know that that was in there. And we don't know that there's any safeguards to somebody going, well, actually, I do want to know how Tom drives. So... Yeah. Again, thank goodness my cars are so old that I don't have to worry about this, but eventually, they'll stop and I'll have to get one of these new cars. I should just be a better driver. But,

32:41you know, that's neither here nor there. Microsoft Xbox CEO Aasha Sharma told The New York Times, Xbox is not for sale. Adding quotes, we will do whatever it takes to set the company up for success. And we will look at the right partnerships, the right operating model, and everything needed to achieve that. So he said a lot without saying anything. She. And so you're saying there's a chance. I think Aasha Sharma was trying to say we're not trying to sell Xbox because everybody's speculating that they are. I think they absolutely have evaluated whether they should spin it off as a subsidiary, which is different than selling it. And when she says we'll look at the right partnerships, that could mean game companies, that could mean joint ownership. And that's where it started to get a little wiggly there. Micron has warned that as far as they could tell ram shortages are likely to persist all next year and into 2028. I know not the news any of us want to hear. Micron says it is

33:44already sold most of the memory of plans to make next year. And they haven't even made it yet. And new factories for Micron don't come online until 2028. Samsung raised prices for its Galaxy S26 line with every model going up by at least 100 and the S26 Ultra going up by 200. And they keep going up. So here's something more fun. YouTuber 3D all workshop has a video showing how to 3D print all the parts needed to make a mechanical calculator, not an electronic calculator. The old mechanical one sometimes you use to silence. Sometimes it was just switches. There's the old pepper mill style. That's what this one is. The channel has not published the design unfortunately, but it's a fun video to watch. Well, we like to end every episode of DTS with shared perspectives from you. Today Paul adds some reasons why wired headphones might be getting more popular. Oh yeah, they are definitely more popular these days. Paul writes, charging up Bluetooth headphones can be a hassle, especially

34:48if you don't use them regularly. Nothing worse than pick it up a set of earbuds on your way out the door only to discover that they're completely dead because you haven't charged them for a few days. If you frequently switch between multiple devices like your phone to your laptop to your tablet to your portable gaming console, it can be annoying to repair one set of Bluetooth headphones to each of these devices. This is one of the reasons why I love my Apple AirPods Pro 3 so much since they transfer between Apple devices so seamlessly. But this doesn't apply to third party headphone models. So if you have USB-C wired headphones, it's super simple to just plug them in. Finally, despite all of the reasons why wired headphones are making a comeback, I'll gladly stick with the wireless convenience of my AirPods. I can still remember those days on the bus when I would be juggling my umbrella and backpack and accidentally yank the wired headphones right out of my ears not great times. Thanks for the wonderful show, Paul. I'm with you on that one. I mean, I'm wearing wired headphones for the show, which I always do because it just makes more sense to me. But yes, even you're talking about AirPods, but the earlier days pre-AirPod,

35:56was the Apple Earbuds? I think that's what they were called. I was constantly, everybody was constantly trying to get them out of whatever situation they had been in a purse or a pocket. And I remember at one point a friend of mine saying, one day we'll just never have to do this anymore. We'll never. And yet people choose to anyone. And yet it still works. It still works in the way that, you know, being hardwired on the internet is better than Wi-Fi sometimes. You know, it all depends. It's nice to have choice. Yeah, a lot of these kinds of things tend to stick around because the new form factor hasn't quite covered all the advantages of the old form factor. And old infrastructure still exists. So I've heard a lot of people say, like, yeah, but when I get on the airplane, it's really hard to use my Bluetooth headphones. You know, I can always plug that

36:58into that jack if I want. But that's going away. We're already seeing Bluetooth support on airplanes. The pairing thing does need to be addressed so that it's super simple for you to put in your AirPods and no, it's going to work with whatever device you have in front of you, whether you're an Apple user or not. And I think until all of that stuff gets changed, wired, stick around, what I don't know is if the technology eventually catches up to where wireless is just as good, does wired have some other advantage that people like that you that the form factor provides? And the only one I could think of is the fact that they just get caught and pulled out of your face. And I hated that too. And I would go running. Well, you might have thoughts on this conversation or anything we talked about today on the show. If you have insight into a story, we might talk about in the future, share all of that with us. We read every email, feedback at dailytechnoshow.com. And this Saturday, if you happen to be in the Los Angeles area or can get to it by Saturday at

38:02noon, we're going to be at the farmer's market at the Grove at noon. Shouldn't be too hard to find us. Farmer's market isn't as big as it looks. Do a lap. You'll probably run into us. We'll try to put it in the discord and stuff where we're going to be, but aimuses in town. So we're all gathered in there. Come on out and meet us at the farmer's market at the Grove in Los Angeles at noon on Saturday, October 3rd. I had to look at the Pacific time. Pacific time. Yes, true. If you travel to Los Angeles and you haven't reset your clock, make sure we work with people on all sorts of times. Yeah, yeah. I always want to say that. Big thanks to Paul for contributing to today's show. Thank you for being along for dailytechno show. You're the folks keep us in business. Become a patron. patreon.com slash DTNS. Bye everybody. The DTNS family of podcasts helping each other understand.

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