Navigating a New Era (Carissa Schumacher)

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1:06The next chapter is yours. Let us help you write it. Apply today to accelerate your future. Learn more at hbs.me slash accelerate. That's hbs.me slash accelerate. Hi, it's Elise Loonon, host of Pulling the Thread. On this show, we pull apart the web in which we all live to understand who we are and why we're here. My hope is that these conversations spark moments of resonance and plant tiny seeds of awareness so that we might all collectively learn and grow. Here is today's guest, psychic medium, Chris Ishmacher, talking about what the Elkamy pathway can offer us. So what the Elkamy pathway provides is basically an ability for us to find the courage in putting death to some of these aspects of our sediment that have kept us enslaved to insecurity, poor body image, unworthiness, suppression of our anger, silencing all it puts death to these things.

2:31And then to transform and resurrect and step more deeply into our essence. Chris Ishmacher is a psychic medium and a channel for Yeshua, otherwise known as Jesus. I know. Wild. As many of you know, I've found Chris's retreats and teachings to often be incredibly resonant in my own life. And I am so excited that she has a new book out called The Elkamy Transmissions, a pathway to miracles, which Chris would describe as essentially a channeled Yeshua text. Today, Chris is talking to us about the beginning of the new era that we're in and how we can navigate it while being more consciously mature and deeply connected to ourselves. But before we get into it, I wanted to say for those who are curious to go deeper after that Chris is doing an event with 92nd Street Y in New York City on October 3rd, which you can also stream. Okay, here we go.

3:31Before we talk about The Elkamy Transmissions, let's just start with this moment that we're in. And I feel like every time we talk, we're in a moment because that is our new reality. So old era came to a close in 2024. We're in the very, very, very beginning of a new era. And would you say the old era starts to wane, the new era starts to emerge, but it's going to feel old era, a new era simultaneously for a while. It's not like a flip switch, switch flip, flip switch, flip switch. Yeah. No, no, it will not be the early phase of this era shift. We kind of just went through the final years of the death from the pandemic all the way through 2024.

4:35And now we are witnessing some of the unveiling, I would say, or the activation of some of the new era types of energies such as prevention, such as transparency, being an even bigger one such as masculine and feminine balance such as efficiency such as the move. Out of a very mind govern era and into an era that is slightly more about energy and essence and communication. But we're at a very fine precipice right now. And so what we're seeing and what we will continue to see now that we're in the flow of these first years and decades of the new era is a lot of that tension. And we are already starting to witness entropy or breakdown within certain all their systems and institutions.

5:45I would say the foremost being the medical industry going through a lot of breakdown, the financial systems and institutions, lot of dysregulation, lot of really dangerous types of stuff that is going on there, the insurance industry is a crisis right now. I would add education and the final would be the legal system. So I know very few people that are not in some sort of struggle with these different systems and institutions in a sense that you know are crumbling and there's been a lot of atrophy and over regulation and under regulation. These dynamics have always been there but more and more people are starting to see the things are being personally impacted having experiences of things that are in a sense breaking down.

6:50And any time that there is an erosion of trust and things systems that were once trusted it does bring up a lot of collective fear and the sense of almost helplessness these things are breaking down. But I feel like I'm screaming to the wind and I don't know how best to contribute to change or how to maneuver through this. So I'm simply expressing this not to create fear, but to say that this era shift is happening on a collective level, but also on a personal level. So this is an era that is governed by personal responsibility and accountability, but it's also governed by community and sovereignty and taking agency for self. So beneath the surface, what I've been starting to see and this brings me so much joy and hope is people on the community level coming in to provide support or solutions for things. So I'll give a couple of examples of this because it's important to illustrate, you know, for those that are wondering how can I best serve and

8:11how can we bring in these qualities of deeper balance as we flow into these next couple of months and years. Great example of this is there's a beautiful nature park. It's a community park in the Alphan Forest near by my house. And every Saturday, it's where these families come and a lot of them are, you know, immigrant. There's a lot of Latino presence and as Candido and San Diego and these families come, they're cooking, they're grilling, they're spending time with their children, the children are out in nature. I see no children on phones, they're riding bikes. So there's this beautiful sacred park that's an oasis, not just for people, but also a safe haven for wildlife.

9:11And all of a sudden we get this notice a couple of months ago saying, the city has decided that we are going to build a 16 acre ice rick. And we're shifting the entire park, we're going to tear the entire thing down. It will no longer be a wildlife. It was just like, it was so, so sad to receive that email, but what happened was a whole bunch of people from the community stepped in started attending meetings, expressing why it was important for them for their health, for their children's health. And the entire project was delayed. So this is a time this era is about communication, but not communication through screaming, raging, not communicating from our fear and our sediment, but communicating from our essence, putting on our divine armor and saying, I'm going to take a stand for the things that are of integrity to me.

10:20And the things that I am passionate about not only for myself, but also for my family, my community, and so forth. So we are seeing this tension, but beneath the surface, there are huge breakthroughs that are occurring and they will be subtle. What we do have to get through are these next couple of years of having to face a lot of what I would say ugly truth, which is a big part of the alchemy transmissions and the book that Yashua and I are bringing through. I believe that the first transmission series and the alchemy transmissions, which is about beautiful lies versus the ugly truth, it's about beauty and reprogramming our perception of our self and relations who world, beauty, fear, all of that sort of thing.

11:23And I believe that this was channeled during the honor best behavior. This was on pulling the thread actually. Oh, so the first iteration. Yes, yes, yeah, came. It was on the podcast. It was alive. Yes, you had transmission. Oh, remember any. I do. I do. I do it for right after October 7th. It was supposed to be. Yes. It was supposed to be on. I can't remember when we were originally supposed to do it like the end of September. And then we had to reschedule. And then it ended up being on October 11th. Oh, yeah, that was major. Now I'm remembering that was major divine choreography where he's like, no, we need to move the date completely explode. Carissa and Alisa schedules for two weeks so that we can ship this to basically a couple of days after the events on. October 7th. And this transmission and particular really speaks to some of what we're experiencing right now.

12:28And why we have to experience some of what we're experiencing right now. But the entire first transmission series is about the energy of transparency and why the divine the universe, the collective consciousness. Is assisting us and helping us in personal ways, global ways to dismantle a lot of the beautiful lies or assumptions or illusions that we have been operating under illusions about who were supposed to be illusions about our sense of purpose. In this world, beautiful lies, for example, about things like if you adjust you everything right, you know, get good grades, go to college, get a good job, marry, have kids, then you'll be thriving and happy.

13:29And for some people that may be the case, but at least for me and many people that I know, all of those check marks of the beautiful lie of this is the way to do it. And it led me into some of the worst trauma of my life and it was not until I allowed for the ugly truth that these are illusions that these are programmed conditioning created by external structures. And I was not until I faced that ugly truth that I was able to transform anything in my life and to step into who I am and to take agency and begin my path of service. Seeing a lot of this right now, consequences are showing up faster to things. This is an era that is governed by energy. Energy matters. Consciousness, the inclusion of your spirit, your intuition, and choices and decisions is important in this new era.

14:44And so when we are energizing things that are coming from fear, sediment, or inner demons and traumas, the consequences for those types of things start to show up faster. But when we are energizing things that are coming from our essence, our dreams, our hopes, our desires for what we wish to experience and create in our new era and in our life structures, moving forwards, there is a great power in that. So when we look at when we snapshot the world and we think about this moment with rapidly expanding wealth and equity and tech oligarch running away with the comments, right, our knowledge, our wisdom, our data, our planet, our water, our resources.

15:45And it feels quite stark, I think, for many people. And what you were describing, we're seeing in local communities, people across the aisle, uniting to stop data farms and to get coordinated around protecting communities against this, whatever this is that's coming, this wave of artificial intelligence, I guess. Anyway, when we look at this and I think, you know, I try to stay optimistic. I feel like if anything, the push is to fall more in love with life and love with each other and love with the planet. Is that because I think some people are listening and thinking, is the new era, AI, is that what this new era is? Or is that sort of the last gasp of the old era? You know, is what we're experiencing right now in the age of transparency, a great sort of drawing out. I mean, I always like in a big spiritual facial where I feel like everything that we haven't wanted to look at is being drawn to the surface where I look at someone like Trump as an archetypal, deeply unconscious martyr, who is holding up a mirror and also extracting all of the stuff that we haven't wanted to do.

17:11To look at enforcing a confrontation, which is very painful and very scary, but I guess do you see that as here is our new reality structure and it's artificial or do you see that as a symptom of the old power grid that were going past, but that's the end of the old power grid. I don't know. No, the new era is not AI. It is AI is here. We've had the bamboo sheet set from cozy earth on our bed all summer and we're still big fans. The fabric is super soft and breathable, which was ideal on hot or nights of which there were many. I also like that they wash really well and just seem to get a little bit softer over time. What I've misusing though is the bubble cuddle blanket from cozy earth. I've very much look forward to breaking that back out this fall. It's like a faux fur that's incredibly plush and soft. It's great over the sheet set on colder nights, but really ideal for the couch.

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20:31Does yeshua laugh at AI I know in past transmissions he has gently mocked fascination with our own technological creations. Does he laugh at AI or what does he say you know I like to ask him about aliens the environment now what does he say about AI. Oh he did an entire transmission about it but fundamentally we need to be careful about how much of our own power we are giving over to these types of things. Because what is being imposed on us which is I mean AI is being imposed on us but this AI is going to rebel loosen eyes the way yeah it's going to upgrade things you know just like the foundation of the internet does but for me.

21:41AI is just another thing there's always a thing that comes along the way I'm not going to give all of my power over to this in the fear of what could be or how much change will this create within the world. I want to live my life enjoy in service in connection to actual human beings and this is where our own personal accountability comes into play it is about recognizing what the balance is for us and being disciplined and utilizing these things as they're meant to be which is so. It's tools as opposed to becoming overly reliant on them you know to the degree that they define us to the degree that we're almost enslaved or addicted to these types of things and these types of technologies so what yes, you're shares very simply you reap what you sow.

22:57I take that to mean it's not you reap what you sow and you've created I and now your entire civilization is going to die that's not that's not yes with what he's simply saying on you know a personal level to each and every one of us is be balanced. If you utilize AI to maybe clean up some notes if you utilize it as a tool to gather information without sacrificing your own creative process and so it can be a tool wonderful. But you reap what you sow comes in when there is this over reliance on things that are basically being dictated to us and these things don't have to dictate our lives at all and I've been saying this for a long time it's just about balance in our interaction with technology this whole new era is about balance between positive space of doing a negative space.

24:04Of being balance between Yang energy you know going out there and then also finding that space of in energy where we can heal and integrate and be in that softness and then balance with ourselves in relationship to our earth balance with technologies and that is not forgetting the unbelievable power. Of the healing technology even within our own brains and bodies how the connection with nature and the earth can facilitate so much healing and transformation when we put the phones and the doing and the busy and the artificial down and reconnect to what is real that's love that's the co creation.

25:04That's the community. And so when it comes to this all and this is really the basis of the alchemy pathway. This is a time in which all of us really need to be looking at what is my unique essence what is it that makes me original because each person has a completely original vibration forms of service yes but a completely different recipe for what makes them them. But all of the external stuff in the artificial it's designed to turn us into robots and so cookie cutters and that is not who we are so what the alchemy pathway provides is basically an ability for us to find the courage and putting death to some of these aspects of our sediment that have kept us enslaved to insecurity poor bodies.

26:13So we have a very good opportunity poor body image on worthiness suppression of our anger silencing all it to put death to these things and then to transform and resurrect and step more deeply into our essence giving less and less of a shit about how other people are doing things and what other people think. And step into our essence. It provides inspiration to others and the more people that are doing so the more that the read the strength of the people starts reclaiming its power over all of these external power sources from media social media technology whatever else. So that is my simple response to AI it's going to become whatever power we give to it let's not give it that power it is a tool for us that we can use when we need to but we have bigger better and brighter things to do and there is more of an unmet need now than ever for us to step into or divine worry ourselves to embody that light.

27:39And to embody that love and to choose to choose joy every day more and more. Oh, I mean I'm here for it. It's not the easiest at times screw easy screw. We did not come to this earth for easy we come for evolution and we come. Yeah. Yes. Come to experience you know this is there is a reason that we were chosen and chose to incarnate on the earth at this time. So we can't sit around complaining being like it's so hard all yeah there are moments when there are struggles but what do we have we have legions of angels. Yeah with us well I find it incredibly helpful particularly in moments where I can feel and I think in the last five years obviously this is a big part of what I'm working on is getting more in touch with the fact that I'm scared making it more conscious unless unconscious driving me from an unconscious place but just to be even say I feel a little scared deeply helpful but I find the most helpful frame.

29:01Encountering these wild times and I would say as a parent etc as well of isn't this interesting how curious I chose to be here. And I know I'm supposed to do something specific as we all are and yeah I'm going to put my back into it in a way that I think doesn't always look like a certain type of effort. But is a consistent and constant engagement you use the word evolution but in this process of growing myself up right and that's one of the cores of this book is about becoming more consciously mature that's what I'm working on too when writing about as well is what does that look like. And as we grow ourselves up can we grow the world up and I guess it's part of that growing up is a stopping insistence on relying on all of these structures to do that for us and instead to say okay well it starts with us so which is you know a part of the process of becoming an adult right is like I guess I can't just rely on it.

30:20I can't just rely on all of this to do it for me we need to do it together to bummer big that's it. So I guess physically you know throughout the course of our aging life but also within our spirit we mature over time and the right of passage or the initiations these alchemy pathways that we're being invited into and you know have been experiencing over the past couple of years in particular past decade. And in particular this is to step into our consciously mature adulthood and elderhood and very few people want to do that because we are being asked to take accountability stepping into consciously mature adulthood it can feel like the huge responsibility so easier the people in these you know leaders they're supposed to take that.

31:31to be the grown-ups, right? They'll take care of everything for me. No. And we need some freaking adults in the room, not only adults, but where are the elders? In ancient societies, Hopi, Lakota, Tibetan across the board, it was the elders that were the spiritual leaders, that held the pulse of guiding the intriar tribe or community through their various changes. There were all sorts of ceremonies and rights of passage along the way that people experienced to help do live that from childhood to adolescence. And these were all spiritual events. Adolescents to adulthood, the spiritual elders, they keep getting picked off one by one. Along the way.

32:33But that's the Hopi prophecy. We are the ones that we've been waiting for. And personally, I myself, over this past year and a half, everything that the divine has been bringing me in the most loving and yet honest way has been Karissa grow up. Grow up. Stop wallowing. Stop whining. You can grieve and process things. It's okay to be a little bit scared, but you are so resilient. Summon your courage. Remember who you are. Remember the support that is around you. You are not just me. You are a we. We are all a we. And move forward. Stop waiting for somebody else to find the voice that you are meant to carry. In the more that we just surrender the wheel of the bus, let our spirit drive the bus, throw out our clocks,

33:34operate from divine standard time. Yeah, there are times when it's not easy, but there's so much more ease. People are in need of that. People are in need of the voice of not only love in spirit, but also reason that is here to remind us that it's okay to be afraid, but we're also going to be okay. And the consciously mature voice within us is also the part of us that reminds us that we cannot hold this all alone anymore. I have seen so many people across the board and especially the more consciously mature people that it is like we have been holding so much for ourselves and for others and one of the most humbling things, just a little bit scary, especially when people look to you,

34:38is recognizing with humility that we can't hold it all alone anymore. We need our people. We need these sacred spaces, these spaces of non-judgment, where we can just be with one another, and serve with one another. And the more people that I found that are just giving things over and trusting that they are worthy of support, there's joy that comes. There's a strength that is not just found in the me. I've got to be strong, I've got to be strong. There's a strength that comes through the we. So I was reading this unbelievable book by Darnell Lamont Walker, who is a black male daftula. And I first read the book and of course, it's like 10 boxes of tissues disappeared in an hour.

35:40But then I went back and I read what he wrote as the dedication. And this is kind of speaking to what I'm expressing about consciously mature adulthood and also what it means to embody consciously mature divine feminine. So the dedication says, for those who held it together, when they needed to fall apart, for the ones who carried the weight of others grief, while theirs went unseen. True conscious maturity necessitates there to be moments when you just need to fall apart. I personally did not know that that was allowed. I was conditioned as I think that many, you are not allowed to fall apart.

36:42You've got to keep it together, you've got to be strong. And then something happened over these last couple of months where I just decided to allow myself to have the moments where I just fall apart. So I went to visit my mom who has Parkinsonism and dementia. And I went into the trip knowing that it would be very, very challenging. But I decided within my consciously mature divine feminine to focus on making every single moment as special loving and sacred as possible. And there were times that that was hard. Seeing her struggle with certain things, you know, it's your mom. You had a good relationship with your mom. And just witnessing the innocence.

37:46But that was for her. And then I got into the car driving away. And I just, instead of texting, instead of shoving it down, instead of talking to the driver and channeling all of his people in spirit, which happens every single time I'm in a car with a taxi. I just allowed myself to fall apart. And to process not in the sense of basket case. It was about balance. Having those moments of just, when we allow ourselves to have those moments of releasing when we need them as opposed to bottling them up, suppressing them down, which inevitably results in a hugeer explosion down the line, it keeps us in balance. It keeps us humble. It keeps us in our humanity

38:46because it allows us to take all of that fear, all of that stress and to move it, to basically to put death to it, which is what the alchemy pathway begins with, the death, the burning away, and then the grieving and the shedding of the old. Let's alchemize on a daily basis because the more that we do, the more aligned and balanced we are. Let's allow ourselves to grieve. That is leadership through example because one of the big trappings of conscious, masculine and feminine maturity is that ability to yes regulate their thoughts and emotions, but also to express their thoughts and emotions. And that is something at this time, there is a changing of guard that is starting to emerge within the world and within the collective in general,

39:52but that change is not gonna come from the top down, it's going to come from the bottom up. So we need to be reclaiming our power over our own selves, our own ability to access our faith, encourage and humor and peace and love because the more people that do, the more strength, the more power that comes from the below, and testulates into the above. Well, let's talk about the actual alchemy process, which anyone who knows Carl Jung will recognize. The parts of this, the burning off, you've mentioned a few of the components, but then my favorite, it's not a metaphor, it's a path, the way that I've come to understand Yeshua or Jesus or what His primary teaching, which is, I don't know if it's His primary teaching, for me, it's where I find the most value,

40:56which is how do you die? How do you let things go? How do you let parts of your identity, relationships, old jobs, structures, illusions, whatever you wanna call it, how do you let parts of yourself die and then resurrect, right? And I'm very happy and I feel like it was my idea so I'm gonna take all the credit, but that in the front you did a glossary, finally. Dear idea, it was my view. It's my favorite and people will love it, like, Gahana and, but yeah, the Friday, the Saturday and the Sunday from the tomb to the womb and the resurrection, which is really, we've learned it, whether you grew up in religious tradition or not, as Jesus dying for your sins and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and that's just not really what I've come to understand. It's about it all, which is what does it look like to die and get up and evolve in the process, right?

42:03Because it's not about, as you say, rushing from the Friday to the Sunday, which is what we wanna do, right? Like, we get dumped on the Friday, we lose a relationship and then it's like, I'm gonna hit those apps, right? I'm going right to the Sunday and I am gonna find a new boyfriend and get laid on Monday. This is a hilarious example for me, but no, the point is, no, you gotta go into the tomb and you have to experience it. You have to let it change you and you have to let it grow you and evolve you and then you get to resurrect into a different relationship. Otherwise, you're just doing a pass-through and doing a pass-through and doing a pass-through in a way that feels like a momentary balm, but is really just a stuckness that we've all experienced in our personal eyes and also in the collective. So that's in many ways what this book is about, right? How do you burn the parts of yourself

43:03that no longer serve so you can be something new? How do you find the gold? There's lots of metaphors. Yes, and allegory. It's very allegorical. I'll just speak to two different things here. The alchemy pathway is what consciously evolves us into deeper embodiment and co-creation with a divine. So it facilitates through the chipping away of more of the separate self or these moments of the death, the processing, the transformation of a given trauma, fear, mindset, because we go through alchemy pathways all the time and in many different ways throughout the course of our life. But the alchemy pathway is what allows us to shed

44:07to first become aware of, but then also to put death in a sense that some of these things, traumas, whatever else, that have formulated and congealed into something that is not balanced or is not healthy. So it's not necessarily how do we die? It's more, how do I allow for the death of myself that I have now evolved beyond? And so it's almost like the caterpillar butterfly type of being a little bit less than Phoenix. You know, everybody's like Phoenix rising from the ashes. I kind of prefer caterpillar chrysalis

45:10that tomb phase, the feminine, tomb and womb phase, and then butterfly. And then we butterfly along and then we go kind of back into catapult until the next evolution is there. So these are about deeper connection and intimacy of the embodiment of the divine. It's in a sense, it's moving past this. Bring me a miracle, divine, bring me a sign. It's more about this external seeking for your relationship with the divine. All those things are totally fine. But the alchemy pathway through less sediment, what it creates more space for is your essence, including the aspect of you, your essence is your physical body, your form, your genes, your humaneness,

46:12but it's also your spirit. So the more space that you're creating for your spirit, the more there is an indwelling of the light that exists within you. So really with the alchemy pathway, what the divine spirit, Yashua, is inviting you into, is a partnership, more of a co-creation. And so it's not about just receiving miracles. It's about moving through the process of becoming a miracle to your own self because all of our essence are truly a miracle, miraculous in their uniqueness and originality and gifts. So the alchemy pathway has been a sense, like I've been driving the bus in my life, I want to serve more deeply through joy. I've been feeling more servitude through suffering. I want to serve more deeply through joy. So I'm going to put death to the suffering, whatever is keeping me attached to my suffering, transform it, find the gold within it,

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49:19This episode is brought to you by PayPal. You know how a mom's bag has everything? Sunscreen, snacks. A stapler? The new PayPal app is like that, but for your money. Shop, pay, manage your account, and earn rewards all in one place. And with purchase protection on eligible items, biometric security and pass keys, you're protected at every step. Download the new PayPal app to get started. See PayPal.com slash protection terms. It's funny I just did a roulette, which I like to do. And of course I came to that page specifically about that exact thing, which I might read to you in a minute. But I would also offer in my own experience too that, and this is spoken like an NEagram 4, and I'm not an NEagram 4, and there are people who sort of like to wallow in suffering. And I think what we tend to do, and particularly people who kind of rock this, right?

50:21But, and I'm not gonna keep lingering on the tomb, but I think most of us are like, oh yeah, yeah, I'm through that. I need a miracle. Now send me the one. Now send me the, and I don't think we realize how much weirdly time we waste and we're fusing to go into the tomb and that that is the miracle. When you're talking about sort of the end-welling spirit, I think so many of us mistake it as some sort of bouquet of flowers when we come out of the tomb. And we all know these people, right? Who are like, oh yeah, yeah, I got this. I get it. I get the lesson. Give me the award. And as a collective, we're so eager. All we want to do is bounce back. I put myself in this camp, and I feel like one of the most important parts of this book is this, the sacred heart of hold.

51:21And I feel like I get personal experience of this. The sacred heart being stillness, simplicity, spaciousness, surrender, which is very difficult. And that the instinct of course is, okay, I'm gonna go fill my life again with rewards on the other side of this hard thing versus is the hard thing actually the reward in the way that it has opened me if I let it. Is this making sense? Yes, some of what you're speaking to here is a little bit of the dance of where the ego or like demons of ego, centricity or just even certain consciously immature parts to oneself can come into the equation. We're very used to the schedule of, you know, problem, solve the problem, gold star.

52:21You've learned this now. You're on to the next. Heart of the embodiment of the alchemy pathway is realizing and cherishing the sacredness of all of the four different aspects of it simultaneously. Because they're all playing out non-linearly. This is how I perceive it. So at the end of the day after sessions, very often not every day, but I'll go for a run or I'll do some kind of yoga or exercise and what I'm doing, I'm invoking the Holy Fire, like burning away and then I take time afterwards to, it doesn't even have to be emotionally based, but I just take time for the tomb phase reflecting

53:25on the day kind of shedding away any excess energy. And then I say my prayers reconnect and then when I go to sleep, I open myself for the womb phase. So when I sleep, I actually utilize that as I'm gestating. So I invite spirit, bring me dreams, bring me any images. Is anything that I need to know for my sessions or any that I need to process? This is, I'm in the chrysalis. I'm sleeping. This is how I gestate. And then in the morning, when I wake up, I'm like, I'm ready. I've been nourished. My body got in the sleep that I need. And so it's just a daily, every single day. And there's no part of it. The womb phase is as important as the void. The resurrection is as important as the tomb phase.

54:26When you invoke it or adopt it or embrace it on a daily basis, it is an unbelievable, pro-full, lactic, this air is about prevention. It is a pro-falactic pathway because you're inviting that your spirit and the divine into the course of your daily life. It keeps you more mentally, emotionally, physically synchronized and spiritually within your consciousness synchronized because the alchemy pathway brings back synchronicity, unity, harmony to all of these different parts of self. So it's prophylactic in that sense that when you're regulated, synchronized, even issues that you face or how you perceive the world, issues in the world, issues in life,

55:26it's totally different because you're coming at things from your whole self. Does that make sense? Yeah. I mean, it's like yoga, right? It's like, you gotta do this. I wanted to, I mentioned the sacred heart and the four chambers and then we didn't really explore it but the sacred heart and the four chambers, simplicity, stability, surrender and stillness. And in my experience, Kharissa, and I think I'm not alone, I, you know, when we first met in 2020, you said to me, if you don't make space, which is, I guess it's simplicity, stability, surrender and stillness, not spaciousness, but essentially you really, the point together creates spaciousness. Spaciousness. So the whole, yeah. And you were like, if you don't create space, the divine will do it for you. So if you don't start canceling things,

56:27things will be canceled on your behalf. And this was true. And then I had another can, cancelling with the warning, I will say, because I tend to just plant everything in my garden simultaneously and not ever really allow anything, the proper space, spaciousness. But anyway, I feel like if I were to tattoo something onto my wrist as a constant reminder, it would be those four words. And every time I feel like I get a little off leash, something gets canceled and it's like, okay, back to surrender, stability, simplicity. And I will say that when I have been, for this reason, put into the womb. Again, you don't really choose to go into the womb. You might, every night, I appreciate that you're like, let me burn the sediment and just go in there of my own volition. But most of us are like,

57:29crucified before we willingly go in. But in my experience, every time I experience one of these, something getting canceled. And of course I'm talking about going through my very thankfully quite short cancer journey. I'm like, this is my favorite time. I just want to say it like, oh my God, I love this. I love this. This is again, so simple. This is to be in surrender is actually deeply calming and relaxing to not think that I need to have control or that I do have control is a balm to my heart. And so I just, I just want to offer to people that sometimes the womb, it's really a nice place to be. Which even though you would never choose it, you would never choose it, you know? I mean, I'm kind of ninja weirdo. I think I almost like the Friday death. Saturday, two in womb.

58:29More because the Sunday is the harvest day. I hate the harvest day, but no, it's so I love that you just shared that and this is definitely true for you in a unique way. But I know it's probably true for a lot of those that are listening. A lot of people find me. Right before their experiencing a void or when they're in, the void and are struggling to get out of the void. And so you kind of came to me, it was kind of the oppressor piss moment within your life, but just even with the collective energy, 2020 altogether, it was just a unique time right before, before. You, yeah, right. But you have evolved exponentially over these past years. I mean, multiple rights of passage,

59:30initiations along the way. So it's been what kind of one after the next. The more that you evolve and the more that you embody essence as opposed to sediment and step into adult or elder or conscious maturity, the shorter the leash is that your spirit gives you. So you start to vibrate or experience the world in such a way that your body and your spirit really start holding you accountable for balance. This is one of the quote unquote side effects of embodying more light.

1:00:32Things that are resonant become extra resonant. Your intuition inspiration is like, ah, but things that are dissonant. Start feeling extra dissonant. So in some ways, do you become more resilient? You just don't care about the crap anymore. But you also can become more sensitive at the same time. So your spirit and spirit in this co creation, if you're stretching out into too many extremes, mental mode, too much busyness, too much control, your spirit will be like, nope, I'm not going to allow the rubber band. Say there's a rubber band that stretches you into the horizontal. When we're, you know, tons of sediment, conscious immaturity, we can go to massive extremes on that rubber band in the horizontal. And so then the snapback feels like a crucifixion when we come back to the intersection,

1:01:36when we come back to center. But the higher your vibration, the higher your conscious maturity, your spirit is going to snap you back quicker. And one of the ways that your spirit can do so is by cancelling things. Or yes, you're in the divine steps in and it's like your spirit's like, yo, divine, I need a little bit more space, even if you mentally don't even know that you do. And the divine's like, okay, this is canceled spaciousness. We're going to take the spaciousness. So learning how to co-create with the divine, what's fun about it is that it's not something that an external person can tell you. Part of the joy of the co-creation with spirit and the divine, life becomes more joyful. There is wonder, there are rainbows, miracles, egg in the face moments. It's fun. You never feel alone. You feel the presence with you.

1:02:39I mean, even in times where you're not feeling it, you still have that faith that it's there. And there's just more of the sense of strength that comes forth as a result of it. I'm sharing this because it is a blessing, even though it can sometimes feel like a curse in a world that's like, go, go, go, do, do, do, gotta make more money, gotta do more. When you turn something like a scarcity or an over commitment, demon into more of an ally, all of a sudden that ally can be the one to be like, Elise, you need some space, a couple months of space, week of space, or your spirit is like, this project just wasn't either safe or aligned for you at this time. So it's gotta go. Maybe we'll just date it and it comes back online, maybe not, but that's part of what it means to not drive the bus. Not try to drive the bus in our lives and just let spirit, consciousness

1:03:45drive the bus to just sit on the bus and see who's there in practice, love, and kindness. So much more fun that way. Ah, man, ah, oh. So one of my favorite things to do with the freedom of transmissions and now with the alchemy transmissions is to play book roulette where you just open to a section and see what's there to be like pulling a tarot. So I just pulled, I just opened to page 288 and I'm gonna read you what's bolded. So the alchemy pathway is what evolves you into the realization of conscious adulthood and then it goes on and right now the whole of your collective individuals groups entire bloodlines are sitting upon mountains, mountains of unprocessed, unhealed, and unalchemy's grief and sediment, including anger, an emanation of grief, shock, or fear, stemming from real or perceived

1:04:50betrayal wounds. You are all grieving something right now because you need to in order to shed the shackles and sediment of the past in order to transform and evolve back into the balance of the present else you will not be able to manage some of what is to come for what is to come will necessitate consciously mature adults to be sitting at the table not suppressed angry sad teenagers. All right friends, here's to growing ourselves up. If you got something out of today's episode, I would so appreciate your help spreading the word. Please rate and review the episode, follow pulling the thread on your preferred podcast platform, and share this episode with a friend who would also enjoy it. That's how we've grown this thing. It's so helpful. Thank you. If you want more in this world, please sign up for my newsletter at my website, elise-lunan.com, e-l-i-s-e-l-o-e-h-n-e-n, or consider picking up copies of my book,

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